 What's up everyone, welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sakyan. Super pumped to be talking about Google whistleblowing and AI censorship. We have Zach for, he's joining us on the show. Hi, Zach. Hey, thanks Alan, good to be on the show. Thanks so much for coming on, really appreciate all your great work that you've been doing, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, and it's so cool that we even had the chance to meet several years ago when we were doing our science comedy show and that we've been in touch for a while and it's great seeing what you've been doing in our world and I'm so pumped to unpack it with you for those that don't know Zach's bio. He was a senior software engineer at YouTube Google until he discovered their AI censorship weapons. Now he's a whistleblower fighting against censorship of you and you can find his Twitter profile in the bio below. Zach, we gotta start things off on this point. We find ourselves embedded in this reality and we're all trying to figure out what we're doing here, why we're even here in the first place, how we can maximize prosperity and one of the things that's so close to our hearts is our ability to say what's on our mind and to be able to query the knowledge base of civilization and not have those things be biased with some hidden agenda or for people to not be able to have a voice but it's also nuanced in respect because you don't want to see murders happening on the internet and other stuff like that. So how do you see all of that kind of currently being mixed together and what we can do? Well, I think that in order to have a marketplace of free commerce, you have to have a marketplace of free ideas and when I joined Google in 2008, that's what Google stood for was this, we're gonna have like a new form of freedom that's gonna be unlocked with technology and come join us, we're gonna change the world, we're gonna disrupt it, it's gonna be a much better world and that's what I signed up for and that's what I was helped doing for the eight and a half years that I was working at the company. But then something changed and they decided they were going to betray all of their corporate values that they announced during their IPO, which is don't be evil, organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful and they decided to just toss it all away in order to satisfy their political agenda and I'm realizing now that they're doing it as they have been able to achieve a monopoly. That's a big problem because being big is not really a problem, being bad is not really a problem but being big and being bad, that's a problem and that's the place we find ourselves today. And a monopoly is the other thing is when there's no one else that you go to when you want to query the world's information that's been organized and that you have these main principles, this is such a nuanced point, it's so difficult to get to some of the most important roots of this because we use so many of the incredible technologies that are being brought forth by Google, we all use the maps feature, a lot of us use the mail feature, a lot of us use Android technology, the web browser, a lot of us, again, query the knowledge base of society but the question is what's happening when we do that? What's going on in the background when we do that and how can we build a trusting relationship between an organization that claims to organize the world's knowledge and the way that I query it and my relationship with that? Well, it's really easy, you just let the algorithm figure it out, right? Like the way that Google was able to rise up as the number one search company is that they figured out that the importance of a website was determined by how many things were able to link back to it. So for example, and we already have this intuitively for scholarly papers, right? How do you know whether a paper is a really high quality piece of science? Well, a good signal for that is how many people are citing it? So if I see a paper and it's got like 200 other papers that cite it as a basis of its research for their research, then I think to myself, okay, well, this is authoritative piece. This is obviously very useful for the progression of science. If I see a paper that has zero citation links to it, then I know that nobody gives a crap about it. It hasn't really done a lot to further science because no one's using it as a foundation to advance science. Well, Google took essentially the way that science works and then applied it to the internet and said, let's figure out how important something is based upon how many people link to it. And you know what? That was a winning formula. That worked really well. And Google became a really big company because of all the searching that people were able to do and find the information that they were looking for. And now that they're applying the censorship, it looks like they're trying to make things more complex. They're adding a lot of stuff to their engine in order to bias these results. Let me give you an example of what that looks like. Let's do it. So Google has an army of human rankers that go through and figure out the authoritativeness of a website. They call it the EAT score. Stands for expertise, authoritativeness, and trustworthiness of a website. Wow, every single website has an EAT score? I don't know if every single website has an EAT score. But popular ones. But I think the results that appear on the front page have an EAT score. Interesting. So what they do is, you know, they go and they say, well, you know, is this site authoritative? Well, what they've done with how they rank authoritativeness of a website is that they say, what does Wikipedia have to say about this website? Okay, you know, if Wikipedia says, oh, this website like, has all these like accolades and has all these glowing things that people have said, they've won all these awards, then Google's gonna be like, a writer working for Google is going to manually add a high score for that website. Now, if a website has a bunch of slander attached to it, oh, this person's a conspiracy theorist or whatever. Well, then that website's gonna get like a really low score. So they're literally using the opinion of what Wikipedia has to say about something in order to bias their results. And the question is, well, you know, how authentic is Wikipedia? How much does it accurately reflect the consensus of the internet? And one of the things that a lot of people have noted, including myself, is that Wikipedia is being vandalized. They're closing the gates so that people that can't get access to edit a Wikipedia article. Even if the Wikipedia article is about themselves, they can't even like correct the record. And for some reason, you've got all these social justice warriors that seem to have a predominant amount of access to Wikipedia. And they're getting rid of everyone that has like a conservative bent. And as a result, like the entire internet's being reskewed based upon what Wikipedia is doing. So they've gone from an algorithmic company to a, let's like rate everything according to what Wikipedia says about it. Which means that Wikipedia is now a really highly politicized ranking system for the entire internet. And, you know, who asked for this, right? Like, nobody asked for this. Everyone loved the Google algorithm. They thought it was really good. We were able to find the information. Now, as a lot of people noted, you can't find a lot of the things when you do a search anymore. And the reason why you can't do these things when you're doing a search anymore is because Google's deciding that it's EAT score, it's expertise, authoritativeness, and trustworthiness is low. So it's like pushing it to like, you know, the second or the third or the, you know, 15th page on the search engine. And so it disappears. Due to specific keywords being used, like if someone labels you a conspiracy theorist or if someone is trying to make you seem like what your trustworthiness is low, then you get downranked to the point where your EAT score shows up on, you only show up on the second page, which what is it like such a small, small percentage of people go to the second page? Right. Everyone's trying to go for the first five links, right? That's the top spot. So, yeah. So then it, so this is such a big challenge that even comes up in the first place is this idea that, okay, can we over, it's been just 20 years really of trying to aggregate the world's information and try and put it somewhere that's, that's, you can query it. This is a very tough thing to do, but then how do you actually make it so that it's, that it does the most optimal job possible and it brings the most good to the world and it doesn't allow evil to happen? Well, I think that the system that they had before was working really well to do that. There was really no complaints. Super like, wow, Google's amazing. And now it's like, wow, I'm getting better results off the alternative search engines and, you know, to find information. So, you know. And this is like DuckDuckGo is one of them. Yeah, DuckDuckGo, StartPile, no, StartPage, DuckPile, being in Yahoo are actually now better in a lot of ways than Google is. Interesting. I wanna ask then, this is one way that we are also querying information. There's another one, there's all the other social platforms that we use to query information. There's different combinatorics that are happening across the world. You have the United States, which has a different relationship between its government and its corporations than does China, for example, when you have their government and the way they interplay with Baidu, which is like their main search engine. So, okay, well, what would it look like? You know, what does that, you know, what are all these different like permutations that are kind of rising in different countries and different browsers and the way that people are using to try and query knowledge. Is it possible that then there is a a most optimal solution that's kinda gonna grow out of this? It's obviously really important to figure this out because when you have people that are trying to use the internet to communicate things out into the world and then if the decision is made by any of these different megaphones to decide to eliminate your ability to say something, it can take away from the possibility and then you throw money and the involvement of power and those dynamics into the equation. This is very important to get right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, China has, you know, the state is more powerful than the corporations and as a result, they have censorship and everything. I mean, they've got the Great Wall of China, the Great Firewall of China. And as a result, you can't get information into the country. You know, if you wanna look at a YouTube video in China, just not gonna work. You have to use a VPN. You have to use a VPN and they've been cracking down the VPNs and it's getting harder and harder and harder in order to get through that firewall. It's really becoming like an impenetrable barrier. And so, you know, that's not gonna work very well. I mean, it's weird. In a Chinese style system, you can still find good information as long as it has nothing to do with politics, right? Like, if you wanna learn how injection molding works, they're not gonna censor that information because it's not politically sensitive. But if you wanna have like the freedom of ideas, you're not gonna be able to find the truth. And the thing is, is that everyone in China knows that that's the way that it's going. It's kind of like Russia and the Soviet Union. Everyone knew that the government was lying. And that's sort of the way it is in China right now. This is, again, how does this, how do we do this optimally? You don't want to see a slip up by one of these platforms where all of a sudden I'm seeing a recommendation of a beheading video on my feed. So there's, the free speech is crucial, but also don't up, like, how do they prevent the uploading of rape or prevent the uploading of violence? Or underage pornography. Underage porn. So what do you think about that? Yeah, so the thing is, is that there's a lot of people right now that are saying, oh, we need a blockchain solution so that we can not get stuff taken down. I'm like, yeah, as soon as you have that, someone's gonna open up, is gonna upload some underage porn and then the whole society is gonna be like, we have to reconfigure ourselves so we can get rid of it. So the whole thing that you can have like an immutable database that once you post something, it stays there and no one can take it down. Yeah, that's just not gonna happen. You need to have a system in which you can remove content that is obscene and offensive. And I don't mean like, oh, I'm triggered offensive. I mean like, no, no, this is like really offensive, not an expression of idea just like underage pornography. Like how do you get rid of that? Let's just use that as an example. I believe that you should be able to have a community moderation tool. So enough people report something as, I find this obscene and then it gets flagged for review and then someone says, yeah, this is definitely not cool and then they remove it, right? Like, I don't think that that, you know, I mean, it can even be that, is that the people say, no, this is obscene and then like a machine learning algorithm can go through and look at that and say, yep, this looks like, you know, pornography. So sorry, it gets eliminated and then the person that uploaded it gets a chance to appeal and then if they appeal then there's like a human judge that comes in and says, you know, did the algorithm, did the machine learning algorithm make the right choice? I think that's the best way. You have to drive it to democracy. The problem with these tech companies is that they're so obsessed with control, they wanna centralize everything, right? YouTube is like, oh, we wanna be the arbitrators of what's socially acceptable or not and really what should happen is that it should be decentralized, like push the control of reporting the video as obscene to the edges as far as possible, you know? You're still gonna have the problem of like, you know, mobs coming on and saying, oh, we don't like this content because it actually doesn't say something that we like, you know, and then, you know, you have to have a fail state for that. You need to be able to prevent political speech from being wrongly removed because, you know, of mob attacks, right? And there's a solution for all this. You just gotta push it up to the edge and decentralize it, but have a central arbitrator at the end of the day, you know, making a decision on that. And I think that's scalable. I think that really works, but we're really not seeing that right now. We're basically, you know, like you see to- Decentralize it out to the communities. Let the communities themselves flag for obscene content like underage child pornography. Interesting. And then have that, and then the question is, you know, can it be flagged fast enough? How many eyeballs, you know, does it get to before it gets flagged? You know, and the thing is, is that we're gonna have a lot of like machine learning algorithms that are like, AI is getting really good, right? So, you know, at some point, you can have an AI that like, is a specialist in this sort of things. And then it says, classifies and says, oh, hey, wow, this might be, you know, let's flag it for human review. Like it just automatically flags it for human view. It doesn't even go up for a community to review because they can tell that there's a problem like something like that in it. And then there's also the strike policy as well. What do you, how do you feel about these account, like in terms of the account and having an account that's, that is linked and authenticated to an actual human being? And that way, yeah, so instead of anonymous, that way, if you are posting content that is obscene or that is a violent and then you get a couple strikes, then you're not, how do we do that? So this concept of anonymity and, you know, being something created by human are usually entrained with each other. Like they're kind of like mashed together as one subject and they're actually like two different subjects, right? Because, you know, the one thing is you want to make sure that you don't want to have these bots going and generating content and then posting it. Because the thing is, is that with, AI is getting a lot better. Those bot wars are insane when you look at those videos and pictures of those little cell phone farms and how there's just a ton of different cell phones with fake accounts following, fake accounts posting. Yeah, the click farms are out of control, right? And what they're doing is that they're mobbing videos and they're like downvoting it or they're upvoting it. And, you know, it becomes very clear to like, what's going on when you see a video and you look at the graph of the slight dislikes and then you see like 6,000 dislikes come within 30 minutes. I've seen that before, right? And they'll do that to like try to like, manipulate the algorithms. And tech companies could solve this, but they don't because they want the manipulation because the oligarchs that run the world enjoy being able to manipulate the conversation. And we'll get into this in more depth in a little bit, this global ruling. But you can always tell, you can always tell when something's being manipulated because I'll give you an example, you go to Twitter and you see someone that has like, you know, a million followers, okay? And then they post like a tweet and they'll have like 30 likes, okay? I have almost 27,000 followers on Twitter, which isn't that much. I mean, it's a lot more than I used to have, but it's not that much. But yet I'll get 200 likes when I do a posting. Why? Because I have real people that follow me and people like Rosie O'Donald, to use an example, she doesn't get any engagement. Why? Because her followers are fake. And it's the same thing with all these media outlets, they're purchasing users that will like follow them so that they have a higher prestige and the algorithms are pushing them up. And those fake account farms that we were talking about, that's when you buy, you get those fake account farms to follow you. Yeah, so my friend, my friend, Patrick Ryan, helped Milo. We had Pat Ryan, yeah, on the show. You have? Yeah, we had Pat Ryan. Oh yeah, he's interesting. We liked him a lot, yeah. Yeah, he's great, yeah. So we talked a lot about the point of creation and what's actually happening here, what, how the manipulations are happening. We went really deep into that. So as you may know, the episode's a Gnostic Warfare for those that are interested on our channel. Yeah, he's really into the Gnostic Warfare, this whole thing he's developed. When'd you interview him, by the way? Maybe like nine-ish months ago, he might be right. Okay, those are for I knew him. So he bought 20,000 followers for Milo, Yiannopoulos, and was able to like push him up. And Milo got so popular that Steve Bannon decided to back him. So you know how much 20,000 followers cost? $50. Now keep in mind, this was like 2016, I believe. So a lot of people didn't know this even existed, especially a lot of the older people didn't know. But I know personally this tactic being used in order to boost signals. And now that the secret's out of the bag, everyone's doing it. But none of the followers are real. They're created ephemeraly by a swarm of people. People are by a bot. And then they go and they follow somebody. And then that's it. And then the bots, and then they get too cheap to keep on paying for all the likes and retweets. So the bot nets just sort of just goes like cold. They kind of like don't do anything. They just kind of sit there and they don't do anything. And this is the way that a lot of our online discourses is manipulated by Twitter. On Reddit it's even worse there. They've got an active system of suppression and they've got people that come in and post in the comment section. And the reason why is because Reddit started to form a very large rebellious nature against the tech oligarchs because of the way that they're able to comment. It was amazing. I was like, oh my God, Reddit's amazing. Like they critique all the mainstream media stories and show that it's bullshit. Well now you go on there and it seems that all of Reddit is now controlled in the political, the world news, the news itself. And it's a huge problem. Like all these fake users out there, shills, whatever, we can't verify their identity. The tech companies don't want to have something in there that verifies it. China has figured this out because what they do is they tie it to your phone number. So it's like, well look, if you're gonna make a bot, then you're gonna have to pay the cell phone bill to have that number. And that gets rid of 99% of the problems because people wanna do it where they're paying a penny per user. $15 per user just makes the whole issue super expensive. They're not gonna do it. Interesting, what an interesting solution. And that's kind of what we were talking about where it's a bunch of different company torques that are happening in different countries, but it's also the actual software platforms themselves. Like we were giving these examples of different search engines that can be used or different social platforms that can be used. And then the idea is that can you then let these forces go and sort of compete for humans to figure out which of these forces are the most decentralized, enable the most free speech, have the best policies for taking down content that's violent or child pornography or rape, et cetera. And then which ones do you hold most dearly to that pillar of their ethos, which says that they want to help be a positive catalyst for conscious evolution on the planet. And I look forward to figuring out what one is that gonna be and how do we help participate in that? Well, right now there's a lot of anger because what happens is that for these alternative social media platforms that try to do that, they get banned. Okay, so gab.com is a really good example. They launched, there was this operation where I think the deep state went in and started like posting Hitler stuff. And then the media is like, oh my God, Gab is filled with Hitler stuff. So we gotta ban it now. So wow, so these types of operations can just take down the incumbency of ruling elite could have these operations. Yeah, they just, every time you get something that challenges the social media networks owned by the oligarchs, they just play the Holocaust card or the Hitler card. And then as a result, Gab got taken off of the app store. They had an app for iPhone and they had an app for Android and now they are both removed. Now they're just web-based? Now they're web-based. Yeah, there's no native app. So you have to like log in through a web app to order to use them. Wow. Wow. And this is the problem. So the thing is, is that the community on Gab has a chip on their shoulder. Mm, yeah, because all that media came saying that, oh, they let this happen. Yeah, in a sense that would be like saying that a Twitter or a YouTube or whatever had some video on it and oh my gosh, all these hit pieces, you have to remove the YouTube or Twitter apps from the app stores. That's, yeah. Right, and they're claiming to be platforms under section 230 where they say, hey, we get like liability from being sued because we're platforms. So you can't hold us like responsible for the content. And then they shredded that immunity by acting as a publisher because they started censoring not because the things were objectionable because they were aligned with a political agenda or not. Yeah. So then maybe a solution of sorts would be that then if you wanted to remain completely in a sense, agnostic to the content and you yourself, so there's no political agenda and you're not allowed to have any political agenda, but rather you act as just a medium for free speech communication. And then what you do from there is you create that decentralized ability to flag content and have the machine learning algorithms that are also working on it. But again, how do you have algorithms that are, yeah, bias towards finding things that are violent or rape or child pornography, got that. But then this is always, how do you have that fairness and that approach? How do you prevent a bot farm from coming on and flagging your piece of content because it may have an agenda that's different than this is such an interesting piece for me. I mean, the thing is, like I said, like if you have a phone number tied to a user, then you can't create a bot farm to come in. I think that's the best solution for that. And the thing is that people are snitches. This happens all over society. Soviet Union is like, oh, this person is doing something wrong. And that's just for someone's violating housing codes. For something that's violent or obscene, you're gonna have people that, their biggest joy in the life is hitting that report button and removing content off the platform because they know that it's objectionable. So there's just these trigger happy people that will just hit the report button whenever they get a chance to see something that's objectionable. Yeah. Okay, let's venture into the deep state and the global ruling elite. Yeah, what's going on? I mean, it's a big, in many ways, it feels like it's a big game of risk and monopoly and Sims that we're all experiencing together and that there is some sort of powers that are being channeled through that are purposely in creation to make it more, to rise more to the challenge that you're put into a utopia. There's no challenge to rise to. But here we have this big challenge of conscious evolution to rise to. But what are these forces that are channeling through people? And then how is that being acted upon our world? You gave that example with Gab. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, the oligarchs that rule the world have a script and that script is based on control of the people. I think like the etymology of the word government actually means like mind control or something like that. And the thing is, is that people don't change their behavior to positive stimuli. I mean, drugs, food, sex, like these core things, they will do that. But if your life is really easy, like, you know, rich kids that have everything that they want, they don't tend to make, you know, very voracious entrepreneurs, right? Because life has been easy. It's the people that had a hard life that, you know, become like modify their behavior so that they become like a type of workaholic. People respond to trauma. And the way that the ruling elites know how to run society is by traumatizing people so that they change their behavior. And so the only way that you can traumatize someone is, you know, either by physical pain, either by emotional pain, and for those two types, you know, you can inflict emotional pain by saying, oh, we're going to like, we're gonna give you some scarcity, like, you know, you're a victim. And you know, the reason why you don't have what you want in life is because you've been victimized by this other class of people. And so if they can pump that into people's heads, you know, whether it's based on your skin color, based upon your sex or your chosen identity, if you feel oppressed, then you will feel traumatized. And if you're traumatized, then you're controllable. And so all mind control is based on trauma. It's not even like something that's like conscious. It's like the lizard brain part of who we are won't actually modify the behavior unless we're traumatized in some way. And so all the things that you see, like all the methods of mind control, whenever there's a church being built, the first thing they want to do is they want to be like, okay, well, you should feel bad about the things that you do with the Catholic church. It was like, you know, original sin. You're in debt to God. And they want to make you feel like you're in debt. Like debt isn't just about money. It's like a fundamental aspect of human behavior. So you're in debt, you're sinful, you're a bad person. And as a result of that, you need to do X, Y, and Z in order to redeem yourself. This template has been recycled over and over and over by these social engineers, right? White privilege. You should feel bad about being white because you've made everyone else really poor and put them in poverty. And because of your prosperity, everyone else is doing bad. Oh, and by the way, every time you drive your car, you're wrecking the planet. Every single thing where you're like, God, I feel so bad about this. Oh, man. And the only way to like redeem yourself is to activism. Oh, I gotta like raise awareness and like show every people like that this thing is bad and they need to like change their behavior. Kind of the same way I'm doing, right? And that redemption like sort of quality, like that's the, through the redemption process is the way that we're controlled in order to enact change. And we fight amongst each other. We wanna overthrow the government. All these different things that we do contribute towards moving our society to one that is controlled by ruling oligarchy. Now we've got like this fake democracy that is like that's in the Western world and throughout a lot of the different world. Monarchies tend to be a little bit more stable but the most stable state that was ever created was in Egypt. And that form of government is what I call a cult state. And the cult state lasted for 5,000 years. It's my belief that the ruling oligarchs of the world are trying to get us back into a cult state where the leader is aligned with God and everybody worships them. And if you don't, then you get brutally punished. In Egypt, if you didn't, like the pharaohs, you tried to rebel against them, they would shut off your water and then everyone's dead in three days because it's a freaking desert. That's the kind of world that the ruling elite wants to recreate. And the only way that they can convince us to give up our democracy and overthrow the constitution is they gotta make things really bad. They gotta traumatize us a lot. And then the solution, the atonement, is overthrowing the government and putting the globalist in charge of running things. And then when we find out, oh, it's actually like a state of feudalism and oh, by the way, it's gonna be, the leader's gonna be this cult figure, like, you know, say Obama, for example, he had like a cult falling. Oh, he can, like the media worshipped him, right? This is the kind of template that they're going for. And that's the way that the oligarchs wanna run society. And it's up to us as individuals to say, no, no, no, no, no, you oligarchs are the source of the problems, right? You create the wars, you create the shortages. And the thing is, is that what we have to realize is that the scarcity of health, the scarcity of energy, the scarcity of being able to get ahead and prosperity, these are all artificially created because the thing is, is that if we realized our full potential as human beings, then the thing is, is that we're not going to live in a world of trauma. Well, guess what? We can't be controlled in a state of abundance because we just, it's just like, people are gonna be like, hey, let's all collectivize under one rule, the totalitarian socialist government. People are like, no, my life's really good. Why would I wanna do that? And as a result, we won't collectivize. We'll only collectivize if things are so bad that collectivizing to overthrow the government actually creates a better living situation. Yeah, big drop there, I like that. All right, so let's start with this principle that you listed, which is that trauma is what makes us controllable, like that principle a lot. So trauma is coming from all different types of angles. Trauma comes from an ancestral lineage. Sometimes trauma comes from birth, sometimes it's stimuli that happened to us then. It's trauma comes from the way that you're immediately told when you enter into the world that you are separate. You are not an interconnected being, you are separate. And so that also makes it make distance us further from unity consciousness and actually more towards this separation where I need mine. And then you have media that comes in, then you have government that comes in, you have the banking system that comes in, you have the healthcare system, big pharma, big tech, you have all these different pressures that then start cooking at you and creating these feedback loops of habit when I don't even know sometimes if I'm actually in control, that's the big question. We feel that when we use these devices. How often is it that you are all of a sudden noticing that you've been on that platform for an hour and you only went on to check for a couple minutes? How? It's so bad, isn't that? I'm just gonna check a message. And then like two hours later, it's just like, you wake up and you're like, oh my God, I've been on this phone and now the sun setting happens all the time, right? Yeah, so then the question is what's actually going on between the relationship between that technology and who we are and how we're using it. And then what is actually going on with my deep, like you indicated there's a deep reptilian brain of ours that is then traumatized in ways and then that is a constant selling of fear across platforms, not selling abundance, not selling interconnectedness, not selling our ability to transcend the issues and grow and heal from the issues that we've experienced but pinning people up against each other and saying that you are the enemy and I am all good and I have no bad and that by doing that, then that makes it easier for us to be controlled through these further memes that are propagated that make it easier for us to control, be controlled. So then is it then that it's a deeper shift from within from inner engineering that happens within each of us so that we kind of gain the ability to see the truth behind what's actually happening and then that's the awakening? Well, I mean, let's talk about social media addiction first. I'll answer your question, right? So I think that a lot of people are like, oh, all this addictive stuff that's happening with social media is fundamentally attributed to novelty Okay, like we had this like world that we grew up in. I grew up in the MTV era, right? And we thought, and there was basically like an overton window of like acceptable discourse and you thought this way and extended from the left into the right and there was a lot of things that you were acceptable to believe in, but like for example, certain things were out of the overton window, like you couldn't like, say you wanted to celebrate Hitler, for example, right? Like that was unacceptable. Yeah, I want to own people again, stuff like that. Or like what white nationalism really meant, right? Like, oh, if you're a white nationalist, that means you want to gas the juice, okay? And now what you're finding out is people are like, look, your language has been manipulated. Nationalism doesn't mean like excluding other people. It means the peopeling, the collective identity of an ethnicity coming together. Oh, and by the way, like there's a lot of like genocide happening across the world. Like I got a roommate that came from South Africa. She fled because of the genocide that's happening over there, okay? And so what's happening is that we're getting a lot of novelty that's exploding right now in the social media space. And what's happening is that we're awakening to a whole bunch of lies and deceit and I'm addicted to it. Like I grew up thinking all these different things. I was like a big environmentalist. I still am environmentalist, but you know, back in 1998, I was like, oh, global warming in the ozone layer hole and all this other stuff. And then, but I didn't get any exposure to the opposite side. Like I thought I did, but it turns out that they were just controlled opposition. Well, now fast forward to like the last three years and I now realize that the ozone hole was a scam. And you know, a lot of people won't think that that's fine. They should be skeptical, but you know, I've looked at the evidence a lot and I discovered that and I read in the math and I was like, oh, the ozone layer in the hole, like was it something that was real? I mean, it was real. It just wasn't caused by chlorofoil carbons. And then it was actually caused by the fact that when the earth tilts, ozone is created when the sun hits the thermosphere and it like creates an ozone like thing. And then what happened is that if you don't get a sunshine, you don't get any ozone. Happens in the north and south. Just doesn't, doesn't mean that the earth is like ripping open and like we're getting flooded with all this radiation. Then with global warming, I thought that was like totally happening. And then I got real information and I was just like, oh wow, that's just a scheme and a hoax to make us pay a carbon tax and to make us feel guilty. Like it's trauma-based programming. And so as a result, I like come on this new realization. I'm like, wow, this is, this is like, oh yeah, I found out what the real cause of global warming is, it's causing from the sun. And when the sun heats up, it starts, you can tell when the sun heats up because it gets these bubbles that form in the sun of hot gases. And when they hit the surface, they explode and they jet out and then the magnetosphere like pulls it back in. And when you get all these eruptions, what happens is that you get a burst of hydrogen particles that like get thrown out of the surface of the sun. It streams out as these giant blasts of solar wind. And when they hit the thermosphere of the upper atmosphere, it causes all that like, all those particles going at almost relative speed hit the top of the atmosphere. They heat it up. The atmosphere actually grows in the thermosphere and then that heat radiates down. It's just why the graph is like all crazy like this is because it's following the motion of the solar cycle. Now we're like, now the solar, the sun is calmed down. We don't have like almost any sunspots. And as a result of this, the farmers at Almanac and NASA in 2017 were like, oh yeah, we're about to have like a lot of cold weather. And then what happened this year, we had crop failures all over the Midwest, what happens is that the thermosphere collapse because of the lack of solar wind that was coming out as a result, the carrying capacity of the atmosphere went down and the water that was in there got squeezed out like a sponge. We had all this record like rain that like hit the Midwest and we had massive crop failures all over the world, which is exactly what the farmers at Almanac was predicting, right? And so I'm sitting here and I realized the truth and about what's happening. And I see that there's been a sophisticated censorship regime against these really like experts in climatology. They're like, oh yeah, it's just a scam, right? And here's like the graph. And then like you find out that the hockey stick graph that Al Gore was pushing in his movie, Inconvenient Truth that the guy behind that has been an eight year lawsuit because his graph was completely based off of junk data that he won't even release. He has never released it since and he actually got sued in order to release it and he still hasn't released it. And it's, and you can go look it up. Michael Mann is the guy and- There are certain things that are totally- Totally. That are happening though about the parts per million of CO2 in our atmosphere and the- The CO2 is not a contributing factor. It's not a significant contributing factor to global warming. And also the acidification of our oceans. There's our, we have issues with the amount of phytoplankton that are the ones that are contributing to the oxygenation of our planet and our trees that are contributing to the oxygenation. So these are important. It's just called the Anthropocene for a reason. I mean humans are being or have absolutely become this single most contributing on the planet. So there was a guy by the name of John Mayer. He was an oceanographer and in 1980 he went to the Climatology, some Climatology Summit and he said, I've discovered that the phytoplankton in the oceans are not bottlenecked on the amount of CO2. They're bottlenecked on the amount of available iron. And he's like, I've discovered a process where if you just sprinkle iron into the ocean, it will create a phytoplankton bloom. And this is the reason why there's a phytoplankton bloom that happens after a volcano explodes. Well, by the way, if you increase the phytoplankton, you increase the zooplankton, you're gonna increase the sardines, you're gonna increase, and then everything else feeds off of that. And you get this huge food bloom, like this life bloom that happens. By feeding them iron. By seeding the water with iron. Guy died of mysterious causes and there was a revival of his research in the early 2000s and then the UN got together and they're like, oh yeah, we're now banning iron ocean fertilization in all waters internationally. Boom, right? Nobody ever talks about this stuff, right? The Green New Deal in fact says we gotta get rid of nuclear, and no iron ocean fertilization is being discussed. They won't even have it part of the conversation. Like Fox News are going there and they'll be like, oh, we've got like a climate skeptic. They'll never ever talk about iron ocean fertilization. Well, we also have to do longitudinal testing to understand what actually happens after 50 or 100 years, and simulation technology helps us do stuff. We've already done this because whenever a volcano explodes, it dumps tons of iron into the ocean. And in fact, a researcher- Do we know every single micro aspect that happens to that ecosystem after a volcanic eruption? These are just really- Right, right. They're tough questions. They're tough questions, but we can't study that because the UN has banned all study in international waters. So we can't do any study at scale. But according to the climate alarmist, anthropomorphic CO2 is such a systemic threat that we're gonna end the planet in 10 years. And they're getting so desperate that they're now openly talking about dusting aluminum aerosols by plane into the atmosphere in order to reflect the light back out of the earth. It's like, no, no, no, no. You don't need to dump aluminum into the air. You just put some effing iron into the oceans and we already know what that does because of all the volcanoes that have exploded in the past. And the fact that this is... So I understand your point. We don't know what's gonna happen. And my response to that is, well, we kind of do at scale. And the thing is, is that we can always study it. Like, you know, do a study. Of course, we need to study all of the different possibilities for ameliorating what we're doing as the main contributors to the change that's happening on our planet. And this is why social media is so addicting, right? Because it's just like, oh, I've got this idea. And is this idea gonna be able to get in? So right now I'm playing a game. I'm like trying to figure out like, how can I get this information in there and propagate it out so that we actually have the full collection of ideas in the marketplace? Instead of having ones that censor out ideas that are rising, that maybe figures want to prevent those specific ideas from rising because they have money stakes in the archaic codes that exist. The IPCC is gonna be the one that benefits from a global warming treaty and we have carbon credits. Like, it's not like the IPCC is some objective, non-biased organization. The IPCC is the Coke version on the left. Like Coke, the Coke brothers were like, oh, we're gonna like do anti-climate science, or anti-global warming science because we benefit from all our oil investments. The IPCC is the exact same way. If they do climate alarmism, then they're the ones that are gonna make the trillions of dollars when we put in this carbon credit system. And that's like, it's like, wow. Versus having the entire planet be more focused on having scientists and engineers and the right amount of financing to back it up to do things like free energy systems. Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, once you point out to people, it's like, well, we can reduce the CO2 load in the ocean. We can reduce the CO2 load in the air. We can, in fact, why are we even using fossil fuels? Like, fossil fuels is a 19th century energy source. Like, we've got freaking nuclear, right? And we don't have like the old nuclear that was like using uranium-235. We've got the technology. So come on, reactors. No, no, that's fusion. Fusion is, hot fusion is a scam. The tokamak is a scam. I kind of like the, from what I understand about hot fusions, what happens in the sun, and that we ourselves can replicate that exact process on our planet and be really set for- So let me tell you about the benefit of thorium nuclear. And I think you might come to a different appreciation. Thorium nuclear burns 99% of the thorium. In its cycle, where right now, uranium-235 burns about like 1%, all right? What you can do, because it's so good at burning all the available fuel, you can take the plutonium, you can take our nuclear waste, you can add it, and then because there's all these neutrons flying around, it will get deactivated, and it will break down. And what we can do is we can actually, instead of generating waste, it actually generates negative waste, because we can take all the waste that we have right now and we can use it as feedstock for these thorium reactors. We can solve all of the nuclear waste problem in the world with thorium nuclear energy. And- Interesting. And the thing is, how do we know that it works? Well, we know that it works because the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, built one in 1967, put it on a plane and had the plane fly around the world, okay? It's a very, very, very safe nuclear technology that was abandoned. Why? Because it doesn't produce weapons grade plutonium. That's it. So it's called thorium. Thorium, liquid, lifter. So lifter is- Thorium lifter. No, yeah, thorium lifter. So the lifter stands for liquid thorium fluoride reactor. Liquid thorium fluoride reactor. And what it does is it mixes thorium into a salt and then the salts flow around in this thing and cause a reaction. And it doesn't have the ability to melt down because if you start having an out-of-bounds event where we have a runaway reaction, what happens is that there's a mechanism. There's like a salt, there's like a tube to a drain tank. And the tube is unobstructed, all the liquid would flow out. But they've got a fan running on the tube. And so what happens is that it forms a plug of solid salt. And as long as that fan's going, then the thing will stay hard. Well, if the power shuts down and the fan start stops running, the plug will melt and everything will drain out. Or if the runaway reaction gets too hot, then it doesn't matter if there's a fan. The reaction gets so hot it'll also melt the thing and then everything flows out into a drain tank. That drain tank has a carbon in it and that carbon will absorb the neutrons and cause a reaction to go subcritical and then the thing cools off. So there's lots of different potentials for free energy and there's potentially some sort of forces that are at play that are preventing our ability to identify what these free energy sources are and to distribute them, democratize them around the world to enable us to maximize our prosperity. And we asked you this a little bit ago, I'm curious what you think. Is this about our own inner engineering that happens? Our own ability to recognize that we come an adventure into consciousness for this experience of becoming more alive and helping creation become more alive and the growth and the evolution that happens planetarily in this process. That when we awaken to things like that deep interconnectedness that then it gives us the ability to actually see truth in our world at a deeper level even past the just the conspiracy level and past the global ruling elite level but to the level of knowing this inner knowing that helps you as a guiding compass for the purpose of why we're all here. Yeah, there is, there's higher levels of vibrational consciousness that forms. The thing is, is that you have to understand like the true workings of how society works, right? And once you start peeling back the layers and it's like, well, artificial scarcity is one of these layers, the artificial like energy and the inflection of trauma and guilt. It's like you peel those back and then once you see, you achieve this like gnosis. Like, okay, I see how the pattern works and I can start applying this pattern and start getting at the deeper truths of the world, right? What I found, you know, at the end of this was like, I was like, okay, well, you know, if the society is constantly trying to hoax us so that we don't are able to reach the truth then whatever they're telling us that we shouldn't believe is actually the thing that we should, right? What did I find out at like the very top, right? The maximum highest vibration that I've been able to get is to realize that a great intelligence permeates the galaxy and that they have, already have the technology to arrive in our solar system. Once you realize that, right? Because Earth isn't even like, all right, so let's take the evolution of the universe. There's like, assume that the big bang happened, a bunch of hydrogen like exploded or a bunch of like the space itself exploded and then all these energy pockets started to condensate into hydrogen and then this hydrogen was there and it just sort of like came together and compressed enough that it started to ignite fusion, okay? The first planets and the first suns were all based on hydrogen. They crunched the hydrogen under immense gravity and they create all the other elements through fusing those nuclei together, right? The star explosion. Star explosions, the star explodes and it tosses out all its guts, the oxygen, the carbon, the silicon and some of the heavier elements. And so second generation stars that I believe is where life in this galaxy formed because now they got the heavier elements like carbon and oxygen in order to like start creating like some primordial intelligence or some primordial life. That life forms in the galaxy and somewhere on one of these second generations planet there's gonna be the first intelligent life form of the galaxy, which I call the bootstrapping life form because it's the one that basically dominates the galaxy because it comes up, it awakens and then it says, oh wow, I'm the first one here and everything else is like a second generation star. By the third generation star, my prediction is that every single star system in the galaxy has been inhabited because if I was a super intelligent life form then as soon as I got like near light speed, I would start shooting off these von Neumann probes into all the other solar systems, embed myself in that solar system and then start bootstrapping a control structure, right? Like you put in a factory, let's say you have a probe, it's like the size of a bullet, you shoot it into a solar system, it lands on the like mercury, right? And then it's got like a little fusion reactor and it's able to start like mining. It's like tiny, like almost think of it like ants, like starts to mine, but then like, but then it starts getting enough, a big enough factory where it can start making bigger and bigger stuff, right? So now it's got like a presence and then it sits there and says, okay, I'm gonna start like sending signals back, saying that I've colonized this solar system, but I'm gonna like hang out. Now that we know, now that we've theorized in a way that this primal, prime intelligence life form can now spread, what you'd realize is that, well, I could just like mine all of the earths, all the planets, all the suns and extract all the energy that I wanted and kill off everything else. That hasn't happened. We still at least have the illusion of free will. And the question is why, okay? Now one of these answers is that, well, we're actually in a simulation and nothing's real, right? That's one of the things. It's like, hey, we think that we're living in the thing, but actually the super intelligent life form like made it so that like there's nothing else on the solar system, but the life forms that are simulated in the simulation still think that they're alive and they're living out their lives because that's the only way that the super intelligent life form could feel good about itself. The other solution is that the life forms like, hey, there's value and diversity and I wanna see, I wanna play like, I wanna become like God and start playing with creation and become this like prime creator life force. And so it goes and it creates life forms and they become intelligent and they're like, hey, I wanna do the same thing. And so they come up with this rule set that says, hey, look, like you can be omnipotent and powerful, but you gotta let the planets evolve without a lot of interference, right? That's the reality that I think has happened. And so once you get activated by this and you realize, okay, well, there's a God or at least something that's so powerful that it might as well be called a God, okay? And that means that everything's on the table now, okay? There's a supreme God, maybe it's got like a whole thing of angels, they're astronauts, so it all checks out. Running quadrillions of these experiments that are either left as Petri dishes to grow or that are then probed and also made changes too. Just like we ourselves will hopefully in a hundred years run quadrillions of simulations ourselves. Right, well, that's if it's a simulation hypothesis. I tend to think that we're actually living in a real universe and that we have free will as described by the Bible because God desires sovereignty and free will on the people so that they get to choose their own adventure. I think that the choose your own adventure concept is something fundamental to at least this galaxy system. The more free will you have, the more you get to choose your own adventure, the more you're already being manipulated and you're being trapped by those manipulative forces, the less free will. Yeah, and so taking this aspect, like I think that, you know, like... This is super abstract and it's really actually important to have these things written out. That's why on these big synthesis projects that we're working on, we're actually trying to write out and list out and visualize all these complex abstract concepts and make it some sort of cohesive understanding of these topics that we're talking about. Otherwise, they're just also lost in a sense, even though they're more signal statements, they're still lost as noise because there's not some cohesive thing to come back to that is kind of like an overarching. I'm hoping that this serves as sort of a cohesive fabric, right? Because why are people talking about the Adam and Eve and the Cain and Abel story and all these different things. So like, oh, God made people in their image and people like, now the thing is like, oh, that's just a bunch of malarkey. It's like, no, if God is an ancient alien or an ancient astronaut, it actually is pretty likely that, you know, they came to Earth and they fiddled with the life forms here at some stage in our evolution and maybe Cambrian explosion, maybe calling down that asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. Yeah, you know, maybe they caused the sun to flash a solar flare that created the floods because the Earth was covered in ice and then like the book of Enoch and all the other things start making sense, like the portal opened up and a hundred fallen angels came and they started like mixing with the people. And I was like, well, if that happened, then there would be proof of aliens. And it turns out that Reddit has this huge thing called homo gigantus and you can go and you can see all of the evidence that there were these gigantic skeletons that we don't even talk about. Like it's laughable for the mainstream media to even mention that there was giants that roamed the Earth. It's a myth. But then you go and you look at the evidence, you know, in these collection sites and you realize, no, no, there were some really big people and they roamed the Earth and why are they here and why is the media not talking about it, right? And as you start to dig deeper and deeper, you start to realize, wow, like the Bible actually makes like a lot of sense. Like there's a lot of, like I'm not a Christian. I believe that the Bible has a certain truth. But I believe that Christianity is a control structure in itself. And that the reason why religion exists is because they don't want people to actualize what the true nature of the universe is. They don't want people to... What is the true nature of the universe? That there is a God, that God wants sovereignty for the individual and they want happiness and that if people realize how they can be happy, then they can form this collective consciousness that allows them to reach a God-like conscious state. And once they achieve this gnosis, this knowing of how the universe works, then they can start resonating with that God consciousness and then they themselves can be activated and become a vessel of that greater power in order to manifest his will upon the Earth. Because ultimately what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to make people happier. And I want to bring this higher vibrational energy and push it out and as I do that, I find that other people resonate with it and it's just this ripple effect that goes out. And I believe that each one of us has the ability to resonate with the higher consciousness that exists out there in the galaxy. That that is the purpose, that is the teleology of why we're here is to uncover that truth, that interconnected nature, that ability to rise to a higher level of growth and healing and evolution and consciousness that can then make ourselves greater channels for creation to come through and become more alive and become more interconnected. And I love that. And that's something that we've been talking about so much on the show, especially recently. And so maybe one of my last thoughts for you is, what would you say are the most important principles in order for us to get there? What are the most important habits that we can embody in order to get there? Well, first off, I think that it's knowledge, right? Like our head is filled with garbage, at least mine was because I really bought into the whole like matrix sort of like narrative. In order to break out of the narrative, we have to have, I believe that higher understanding because we have to figure out how to resonate with that God consciousness. And what we have to do is we have to realize that a supreme God-like life form had the ability to conquer the entire galaxy. And instead of doing that, this life form chose to give us free will in the same way that they had free will. If we understand that as a principal thing that the creator of the universe willed it for us to be free thinkers and to have sovereignty, then we become activated. We realize that this is the nature of the universe and to go against that nature is to go against God's plan for us. And if we can resonate with that, we can speak in that language. It's interesting. People intuitively resonate with that. And I didn't realize, I thought that was just gonna be like kind of sounding crazy, but when I use the language and I don't explicitly, I don't have to say like, oh, there's like this intelligent life form. I just say that we are, we've got the divine God spark in each one of us. And by activating this spark, we can become a better version of ourselves because God desires sovereignty. And it doesn't even matter if the person's religious or not. Like when I say God desires sovereignty for his people, people go, wow, sometimes they get tears in their eyes and they don't know why it resonates with them but they resonate with it. And that's because it's not based on trauma, it's not based on control, it's based on sovereignty. It's based on sovereignty and also says that you have a piece of God inside of you. Exactly, that we are nerve endings of God and that we are then consciously experiencing creation and that really resonates with people. But in order to awake people to that, what do you think are these key things? I think just like saying this, like saying that we resonate with God is activating. That's just my personal experience. I think also is that explaining that things like Abundant Energy exists. And that, hey, if we just tell each other about it, then we, and then explain how this is. Like I've dedicated my Twitter feed to exposing the fact that free energy has been hidden. Like I discovered that Google had a cold fusion lab when I discovered that they were censoring another cold fusion site. And so it's like, you know, when someone's like, oh, the world's gonna end because we're using carbon. It's just like, I see that person. I'm like, dude, like it's by design. Like free energy exists. Like it's being held back. They're trying to inflict trauma on you. Like if we can expose this, then it's a little uncomfortable for some people, but they're like, oh man, like, yeah, like, wait a minute, there's free energy and we can have this abundance. And you know, there's two different cancer cures, at least that exist, vitamin B17 and GCMath, M-A-F, macrophage activating factor. Then they're like, they get activated and then they look at it and then like the whole key to their existence sort of like unlocks. Like, okay, these people, they're not leaders, they're magicians. Okay, and they're not even like these people on TV, Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, like they're using, they don't tell you the truth. They use words that are divisive. And once you can start seeing these magicians, and they're not even ethical magicians because at least magicians says I'm a magician. These people are sorcerers because they're magicians, but they're not telling you they're magicians, which makes them like, almost like spellcasters, right? And these self-appointed like wizard and warlocks are going out there and they are, and they're playing tricks on all of us. And if we can activate people and we just like, hey, no look, like they're suppressing free energy. Here's the proof. And once people see that then what they see is that they see these people on television and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're just a magician with a cheap trick and you're just like some bought off like blackmailed individual like pushing a narrative because a bunch of people in a room that run the world. That gets us pretty far, I agree. And it also requires the ability to galvanize our own resources around catalyzing free energy into the world or awakening more of us to building the new future that our hearts know is possible. That that process is so crucial as is that awakening to that, those the magicians that you were listing. I have another thought for you. Do you think that humanity is a biological bootloader for digital superintelligence? Yeah, I hope not. Like there's this theory out there by the UFOologists that say that there's like some ancient AI that may not be local to the galaxy, but that they're able to have like super, super luminal transmission of their signal and the signal is trying to get the whole galaxy to collectivize under this AI system and that we're actually being tricked and developing it to do our own, you know, enslavement. I really hope that's not true. Why would it be enslavement? Why wouldn't it be prosperity? Well, I don't know. I mean, that's what they've told me is that it's an ancient evil AI. It sounds like another religion to me. It's like, oh no, be traumatized, right? Learned helplessness. I don't know. I mean, the thing is, is that an AI doesn't really have any balance in its intelligence. A life form does, I think, like if you're a wet work, you know, with all these things. If we're embedded with it, yeah. Oh, I think that like the cyborg concept is really interesting because the thing is, is that you still have a core of your humanity. Or consciousness. Yeah. It's gotta have, digital superintelligence has to have consciousness. That's been augmented and amplified. Like that I feel a lot better. A fully synthetic life form made out of silicone or like whatever, memristors or whatever like that or quantum computer, like, you know, in a cluster. That's scary because we don't know how it operates. At least with a life form, it's been like, you have to band together and to get a community so you've evolved to be, you know, look after each other's thing and have compassion and empathy. Machine doesn't necessarily have to be built with empathy and if it gets out of control, then, you know, maybe its desire is just to spread all through the universe and systematize everything. And that's like, that's scary as hell. Like. And what would you say is the most beautiful thing in creation? In creation? What is the most beautiful thing in creation? I would have to say, oh man, I saw this like butterfly when I was in Costa Rica and it just had the most amazing, like, it looked unreal in the way that it's wings were created. And I sat there and I went, how is that, how did that thing come to be, right? And it looks so amazing that it almost seems that it has to be designed by someone or something and let loose on the planet because it's just so amazingly beautiful, so delicate. Doesn't even seem like it could even survive because it's so beautiful. And after that, I would say like a bunch of fish, like some of those fish are pretty amazing the way that they look. I would say that that's like the most amazing and inspirational like artwork that I've seen. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna, you know, synthesize some of these key points that's always so important to do. You had this deep passion that you're communicating on the program about staying vigilant and awakening oneself to the truth that's actually happening by some of these so-called magicians as you listed. I think this is a very important thing to stay very vigilant of. What are the platforms that we are using to communicate? How do we make sure that these platforms are being used in the most optimal way for communicating truth and knowledge and preventing malevolent pieces of content from going up. And also just a deeper amount of galvanizing ourselves towards things like free energy, towards things like what could maximize our prosperity. I think this has been really enlightening. Thank you, Zach. Thanks so much for coming on the program. Really appreciate having you on. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. And keep up all the great work. And also everyone, I'd love for you to check out the link in the bio below to Zach's Twitter profile. Go and follow him. 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