 All righty y'all good evening. Welcome to today's listening session on the proposed curfew ordinance for minors. First I want to extend a warm welcome. I know normally with our listening circles we give a lot more of advance notice but with the deliberations taking place with council we want to make sure that we hear from our district 6 residents on the proposed curfew ordinance that the City Council will be voting on here soon. So the City Council is currently in the process of reviewing and considering the reauthorization of the current curfew ordinance for minors which has been in effect since 1995. You all know that the safety of our kiddos is something that's you know really important for me and even more so now it's real for me being a new father of a four-week-old. So lack of sleep and all she's a bundle of joy but needless to say the safety of our kids is something that's really important to me. You know in our office I'm in the district 6 office we've especially been focused on the safety of our kiddos and that's why you've seen us work to spearhead a six million dollar investment in the one second collaborative to address and prevent youth gun violence. That's why you've saw us fight to ensure that no kid has to pay for community center memberships in our community centers and also why we've worked recently to extend a late-night hours for our teens to play in a safe space at the Chisholm Trail Community Center and so needless to say when it comes to the safety of our kiddos I don't know if there's a bigger advocate than Dr. Jay and so thank you all for being advocates for our kiddos as well and showing up and sharing your thoughts in this very important discussion. I walk through the agenda for the evening really quickly and then just kind of highlight some resources we have available for you. Also for those of you who are watching online thank you for participating in this discussion and we'll make sure that all the resources that are provided here are made available to you as well. So for today's discussion I really want to hear from you all. I say this all the time but this seat is not Jerry Williams seat this is all of our seat and so that's why I depend on listening sessions and emails and phone calls to really understand better you know the decisions that you want to see this office make on important issues that affect our district and so tonight we're going to spend most of the time hearing from you but we do have a short set of presentations to kind of give context for the evening. The first presentation for tonight is from Leticia who is representing the city of Fort Worth the city attorney's office and she'll be giving us a brief overview of the process of the ordinance what it looks like what are the components of it and describing that for us. We'll also have invited Mr. Ty Stimson from the L Clifford Davis legal association who can explain for our our minors but also our parents and adults you know what are the what are your rights under this ordinance and also what to do you know navigating the process if your child or if you as a minor get cited for this violation if the ordinance gets reauthorized by the city council and after those very brief two discussions we'll open the floor up for Q&A so I would ask since we're recording we want to get through these presentations without questions and then we'll certainly open up the majority of the time for your questions concerns thoughts and we'll have a discussion we also have a number of city staffers here who will be available during that Q&A period we have Fernando Costa who's assistant city manager we have William Runnelly who works with our municipal court system and then we also have Chief Aldridge with our fourth police department executive assistant chief sorry Aldridge I want to get your title exactly right who will be able to answer questions and then also if your city staff and you're here will you mind raising your hand so that folks can see at the end of the meeting we'll also have a little bit of time for discussion and so if you do want to have additional discussion with either my office or with city staff you know who they are without any further do I'll introduce just one more thing we have resources that we provided tonight for you all they are the proposed curfew ordinance there's a printed document at the table in the back we as a council office have provided a community fact sheet that details information about the effect of the curfew ordinance since 2015 it includes population data and then curfew violations by age and time by violations with additional offenses race and gender and geography and then lastly we have a comment card so if you have to skedaddle early we understand but know that there's a comment card and we would love to have your feedback as well so please be sure to fill out that comment card on your way out so that my office staff can take it back as we deliberate and make preparations for council decisions so without any further ado I'll invite leticia up who will talk briefly about the proposed curfew ordinance thank you leticia good evening I'm not as tall as councilmember Williams I'm gonna move this just a little bit my name is leticia brown and I am the deputy city attorney in our city attorney's office in the city of Fort Worth and I've been around long enough that most of this ordinance occurred right about the time that I was in college here in Fort Worth I am a lifelong resident OD wide high school and and so I and so this occurred right about the time that I was in at TCU and so I'm I'm really familiar with that I spent a great deal of my three years of my career as a city prosecutor and so we prosecuted these citations and now I'm over our litigation division at the city of Fort Worth and I supervise the prosecutors who are involved in the court system so I've also advised on this city ordinance periodically as we renewed it and so most of you have heard that this ordinance has as it currently exists has been in effect since 1994 interestingly enough we actually had a city ordinance on teen curfew as far back as 1992 we allowed that to expire and then we renewed this one in 1994 and that is the version that you see I'm gonna go over just a little bit of the rules on this so the first thing and I kind of do it as a question to myself it's what I would want to know about this ordinance the first question I would want to know is who does it apply to well it applies to any minor under the age of 17 it also applies to the parent of that minor and it also applies to our business establishments okay so what are those curfew hours 11 p.m. on Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday until 6 o'clock the following morning and 12 01 until 6 a.m. on any Saturday or Sunday so what does that mean I go out with my friends on Friday and when do I have to be home if I'm 15 well you have to be home by 12 01 on Saturday okay and that always causes some confusion it's just 12 o'clock it's midnight you have to be home by midnight okay so that's how it goes so a minor apparent or business establishment could be in violation of our city ordinance if they remain in any public place on the premises of any establishment in the city or if you're an establishment if you allow a minor to remain upon the premises and if you're a parent guardian if you permit or by insufficient control allow the minor to remain in a public place or any premises of an establishment within the city during curfew hours so what does that mean well I'm now a parent of three young adults I have a 24 year old a 21 year old and a 19 year old they all were raised under the Fort Worth teen curfew my two kids older ones obeyed my baby not so much my baby when he was 15 decided to sneak out of a friend's house at 2 30 a.m. in the morning the parents of the friend didn't know it my husband and I were sleeping away at home we didn't know it so who's in violation oh by the way let me just say at 2 30 in the morning they ended up at Walmart because Walmart was 24 hours at the time okay so who's in violation well the kid is in violation right he's 15 years old he's out at 2 30 in the morning on a Saturday he's in Sunday right Sunday he's in violation my parents of the friend who he was staying with do you think he's in violation actually know he wasn't because he had no idea the kids had snuck out okay all the windows were closed the doors were locked he wouldn't be because he was not knowingly allowing them to violate the curfew as the parent what do you think about me probably not because I had no clue my kid had snuck out of his friend's house right now I'm gonna flip it a little bit what if I it they had called me and said your kid just left our house and I said okay and turned around and went back to bed maybe because I allowed him to be out at that point okay so that's how it kind of plays out now what if my kid goes to a movie at 10 o'clock and the movie is a three-hour movie and the movie lets out at 1 o'clock could the establishment be in trouble maybe okay so those are the ways that the rule the teen curfew rules could play out the question then comes up well are there any defenses any exceptions to the rule and the answer is yes and I'm gonna read you if you don't mind a list of our defenses which also are exceptions and I'll explain to you why there are more or less exceptions if the minor is with a parent or a guardian they are not in violation if they're on an errand at the direction of the parent or guardian without any detour or stop if they're in a motor vehicle involved in interstate travel if they're engaged in employment activity or going home from employment activity without any detours or stops if they're involved in an emergency so they are they have a flat tire and that causes them on a week night to be out past 11 o'clock if they're on the sidewalk of their resident or the next door neighbor's house as long as the neighbor is not complaining now why that's very interesting is if you're in your yard you're not in violation if you're in the sidewalk of your yard as a minor you're a home you're not in violation you're allowed to abut the neighbor's house as long as they're not complaining that you're right there okay and more important for you who have kids in school if they are attending an official school religious or recreational activity supervised by adults and sponsored by the city a civil organization or some school or some similar entity that takes responsibility for the minor or if they're returning home from that activity also if they're engaged in a first amendment activity or believe it or not if they are married so someone who's under the age of 17 who's married is exempt from this defense and I know that tie is going to talk about some of the things that can you can do your rights as parents when that happens but I did want to kind of give you a little bit of enforcement penalties and what happens at court if you are detained by PD for a violation of the curfew ordinance the officer is going to ask you more than likely your age and the reason for being in the public place that's a requirement of the officer and I'll let Ty talk about your rights as a parent or a student to respond but part of the reason why the officer is doing that is because if the officer can determine on the scene that you are either above 17 or you're directly coming home from work or something like that they are not allowed to write you a citation okay if the officer however based on the circumstances determined that you are in violation they have the authority to write you a citation they can also warn you or more than likely call your parent to come get you but they can issue you a class C misdemeanor citation which means that if you come to court and plead guilty and say I just want to pay the fine you could be fine up to five hundred dollars under our city ordinance more than likely however you're probably going to get sentenced if you're that minor you're going to get sentenced to teen court which is community service and that ticket will be dismissed if you plead not guilty you think you have a defense you'll set it for court where you can talk to the prosecutor about what may have been the defense and then prosecutor will then decide whether or not they are going to try you or they're going to dismiss the case or give you something else based on what you think is a reason for being in violation of the curfew so I'm thinking I want to make sure I got through all of what I think I got I did so if there are any questions do you want them to ask now or later okay so I'm done and I again grateful to have you all here to explain this to you and I look forward to the question and answer period awesome thank you again that was a Leticia Brown who is a representative from our city attorney's office at this point we'll have Ty Stemson who is a representative from the L Clifford Davis Association and he'll be presenting on a couple things one giving us some advice on what our rights are as parents as minors and as adults who could potentially be impacted by this ordinance and then secondly to give advice on what you could do you know if you have a defense to prosecution under the proposed current ordinance so Ty come on up and then after you present we'll open the floor for Q&A well good evening everyone as Dr. Williams indicated my name is Ty Stemson I bring greetings from L Clifford Davis legal association or better known as the Black Bar Association of Tarrant County thank you for allowing us to join you in the space in this town hall and who I also have with me is Leon Reed who is our social action committee chair and and I would invite him up at once he gathers his bearings to assist me in this and so as Dr. Williams indicated you know one some of your rights as parents as as as minors under this proposed ordinance and and I just want to give the legal disclaimer I'm not giving legal advice just giving interpretation of how I read the ordinance so just so we're all clear but before an officer initiates any type of detainer any type of arrest the way the ordinance indicates is that a police officer is going to first ask if there's if there's any essentially available defense so whether or not if a minor is on a curfew I mean not on a curfew on an errand there's an emergency so you know let's say for instance when I wasn't growing through school my mom didn't like going to the store if she forgot something for that she's cooking so it might be 11 o'clock 12 o'clock hey go to Walmart and pick something up well that's an errand for a parent that's that's typically sanctioned which would not classify as a violation of the city ordinance another example is you know there's a family emergency and someone needs to a minor needs to drive someone to the hospital or go pick someone up or someone's involved into a car accident again that's a sanctioned defense when you read the ordinance and when you just kind of look at what the intended purpose it is it's more so geared towards minor children who basically have no business being out their parents don't know where they're at their guardians don't know where they're at and they're committing offense or a crime it's you know it's not one of those how it's interpreted from the city ordinance or how historically it's been used it's not one of those let me make contact with a minor just to see how old they are if they're doing anything it's no typically there's gonna be some type of suspicion as to what this child or minor is doing at this particular place and this is where I turn it over to Leon Reed who's also a criminal defense attorney here in Fort Worth in Taren County that can probably also give some more advice or guidance of what to do if you're minor child or if you find yourself as a parent in these situations as well so Leon of yield the floor to you to good evening everyone Councilman Williams I I always have to kind of monitor what I say in situations like this because the data over the course of the past two decades since it's been required is still disturbing when it comes to the treatment of minorities who are of age in the city of Fort Worth when you look at the city's racial profiling data since it was required by state law minorities in Fort Worth every single year without exception and without fail have been cited arrested searched disproportionately to our population and now that's being extended to our youth not by our data but by the city's data when you look on here and you see almost 40% of the curfew violations are just African-Americans alone African-Americans do not make up 40% of the city of Fort Worth population when you couple that 40% with the 28% Hispanic that's 68% that's almost 70% of the curfew violations being minorities and so it's it's troublesome that in 2023 the city of Fort Worth doesn't have the foresight to figure out a better way than by using police it's already difficult for African-American parents to tell their kids with a straight face always trust the police so when accosted by a police officer after curfew statistical data basically and it's been found by some courts that African-Americans have a reason to run that's not Leon that's courts and so we have to tell our kids in those situations one keep your cell phone on you and try if you're in a group of more than one person somebody start recording somebody get a parent or another adult on the phone until such time as it can be determined that that police officer does not have any ulterior motives just to what Ty was speaking of earlier several years ago back when the 7-Eleven was still located at the corner of Horn Street in Camp Bowie I had a situation where I went to the 7-Eleven and a young man was sent on his bicycle to the store to get something for his aunt this kid was my next-door neighbor and that particular night he was staying at his aunt's house who sent him to the store and I just happened to be there when a police officer started questioning him and I'm glad that I was because the manner in which this 14 year old who was of good size but I knew him and I knew he was 14 years old the manner in which he was being treated was troublesome to me and so it's always a delicate situation but I would suggest that the city of council the city council and the Fort Worth leadership find a different way and work earnestly towards that different way but as a parent one know where your child is the flip side when they get cited or if a parent gets cited you'll typically find a warrant being issued and then when they run a license plate and they'll tell you oh we run everybody's license place well you're a busy person all day and I'm surprised you're not getting in the way more wrecks but they run a plate and see that there's a warrant now you're creating a cycle of somebody missing work potentially losing their job and and constantly being pulled over which feeds into that same statistical data again this data has this Fort Worth longhorn on it it's nobody's data but the city's and so the end of the day parents we encourage you to one know where your kids are if there comes a time when your children are accosted by the police hopefully there's more than one somebody get on the phone somebody record and that's something you don't just tell your kid to do it's something that you rehearse and practice with your child just like you should be doing when your child has a learning permit at 15 or 16 you practice that with your children so that your children don't panic and try to drive home a half a mile to get back to safety and end up the victim of a felony stop by police officers you have to practice it so you practice the situations when your child is being accosted by police that is just the reality of policing in Fort Worth in minority communities so at that point if you get cited contact an attorney as quickly as possible so there are plenty of good defense attorneys in the city of Fort Worth who know how to handle these things and can come up with various alternatives within the city prosecutors office that would have less severe economic impact while achieving the goals of the city sometimes this stuff can just be lost in translation again in a situation as we've determined you know culture shouldn't be a crime if grandma auntie says run up to the store to get something for me and they're in the middle of something and they can't leave that should not be a crime and we need to have the discernment to know when it shouldn't be and a lot of times that's best meet it out unfortunately with attorneys downtown and so with that in mind if anyone has we had a Q&A or I'm sorry okay so that's already at this point we're gonna open the floor for Q&A thank you all for providing a perspective to the discussion at this point myself and city staff are available for any questions that you have I'll be repeating the question because we are recording and so it's not because I didn't hear y'all want to make sure that the folks on camera hear you so this time the floor is open yes sir yes sir absolutely we have executive assistant chief Aldridge the gentleman here has a question for you is it a tool that the police needs so for us I want to be extremely clear on this I look at the teen curfew as a caretaking function I look at it as getting these young youths that are in situations they probably shouldn't be in back into a safe environment that that's what our goal is that's always our goal is get them back with a parent or guardian when we issue citations we don't take them to jail we call the parents or we call a guardian to come pick them up it is not a tool for stopping frisk it is merely whenever we see them in situations that may be dangerous to them because in all honesty most the stores that are that would be open late at night there's there's no reason for these young individuals to be there so you know there's not any activities late at night and I'll tell you quite honestly probably one of the biggest questions that I have and regardless of race you know demographics is why are these young people out late at night anyway what what is causing them to go out late at night to put themselves in in a bad situation sorry if you do have a question raise your hand we'll call it that way weekend because you have a productive dialogue you had a question you can make a comment or questions we also have comment cards for those of you just arrived in the back as well to leave your comments honestly that says they took their race and culture task force seriously with her close this ordinance her views have a long history in our country anything wounded from slavery grown in Jim Crow and that guy why so pretty cannot be forming people who look like me or my children too long people who don't look like us don't support us and don't understand us acting local for instance to our family's employees report out of Columbia law stated that black Latinx and indigenous youth are often police ticket and fine for minor misbehavior by perky violations and border at rates much higher than one without proper oversight of law enforcement I personally want to limit the amount of seemingly justified or interaction our law enforcement have it on you moreover this really is not an issue of property this is really more of an issue of underfunding social services and education I'm on our clothes when the article that said we talk about our kids being out why are they now there's no reason to expect them to abide by the mandatory bedtime it's the only time it's nothing to drink about it's very interesting I say this in my private citizen capacity and resident coma for years the Como Community Center under the office of boys and girls club coming up program at midnight basketball community center was over till midnight almost every night and when it closed the children would walk home and so pro and that program was so successful in basically we worked ourselves out of a program and in the city defunding that program okay that's just the legitimate straight up facts that crime in the area and so forth went so far down and that came that happened out of that function they took that program away because they said it's no longer justified in this community basically it worked so we're taking it away and so to a program like that that work I don't know if other areas of the city are using it or have you say hey it worked for us in the work for your neighborhood too but then you know having the kids walk home would have been getting the property for the stash and so in there are just issues and then there just data issues with who is the spot thank you for that guess the main reason why this so in the previous work sessions and at council it was mentioned during those by city staff that this ordinance would in fact be a useful tool to reduce crime and there's no mention of another reason why it doesn't even mention that it's there to reduce crime so that's the assumption that we're all working on building this is to reduce crime but when we look at the curfew violations that are given 90.7% of them are given as singular curfew violations meaning the individual was not committing a crime at the time that they were cited for breaking the curfew only 11 violations and this is since 2015 only 11 out of 832 were committed in conjunction with another crime you don't know what those crimes are maybe you can tell us but yeah so that's 1.3% of these curfew citations actually helping to remedy the problem that this curfew was set up to remedy in the first the other 97% fine people are literally just living their lives and now they have up to $500 fine they have a court costs they have to go to the team court which to my understanding the team court it just would continue to still get fine I like clarification on that but what it tells me is that this curfew is ineffective in reducing crime because it didn't do that but 1.3% of time maybe we'll see what kind of secondary offense was committed and then is there anything to say that this reduces youth victimization I don't see that anywhere yeah I'll answer in terms of the secondary violations since 2015 11 there was 11 of those tickets where a minor received a curfew filing and then a ticket for a second offense of those 11 Tim or minor traffic violations and then one was related to a kid walking in the street when there was a sidewalk available zero were related to crimes against property or crimes against persons yes and then we have William Runley who can answer your questions about the fines for team court I want to answer that question then I'm gonna clarify something about crimes and the class C citations the first one and William you can jump in is when you come to team court your fine in and of itself is dismissed you don't have the $500 fine you are required to pay a team court fee which is about $20 for the team court program and then you're required to do some form of community service and as part of that which normally means you at least have to return and participate in the team court program in some form of fashion so it's community service plus a $20 fine and I just want to make sure you understand that as with all class C citations so it really doesn't matter if it's a team curfew or you get pulled over for speeding and they find a gun in the car that you're not allowed to have typically what happens is if police officers are going to arrest you for a higher level crime they don't write you for the class C because it just doesn't make any sense to do both so there is no um so the I say that because it's important to note that if a person is out under age and they would have been in violation of the curfew but they committed a felony they're going to get arrested for the felony they're not going to write on a team curfew because they've been arrested for felony and that's just the way that it typically has always been done in our court system in our court system class C's I would just add one more thing for context um to that um one of the pieces of information that we don't have is how many stops were made um under the suspicion of a curfew or in its violation that didn't lead to something more serious and so I want to provide that caveat because we don't have that data so you won't see that on here so William Romley I'm the court director thank y'all for coming tonight let me speak I just want to one other thing on the team court it is $20 um $10 uh cost and $10 administrative fee however uh judge has the ability to waive that so if somebody's declared indigent or for some circumstances they can even waive that $20 fee and you only are uh go to team court if you plead guilty or found guilty as a team so it's not an automatic you're just ordered there and it's a program of a team peer program so just wanted to clarify that and then this has already been spoken on but similar to the data the 11 offenses I just wanted to reiterate that those 11 were only related to class C offenses so the court provided that data the municipal court so the uh the additional citations we talked about were other class C's and it's already been mentioned by Miss Brown that um if there were higher charges those would have been handled separately differently that was not in our data so I just wanted to clarify that great question thank you for asking that um so what I would say is is number one uh they can plead guilty or no contest or be found guilty um and then um they go to team court so immediately when they're recommended team court there's not a $500 fine it's a $20 fine but again the judge based on the circumstance of the individual can determine if they're going to waive that uh these particular offenses um are not reported to the state so these don't go to the state and judges do not issue warrants on these when we're talking curfew they do not issue warrants on these so for these and I want to be clear I'm talking about the juvenile cases so you heard earlier in the presentation there's three groups that can be issued a citation number one the juvenile number two the parent or legal guardian uh and number three an entity so uh an adult potentially could have a warrant issued um and again there's two reasons the warrants would be issued for failure to respond or failure to comply with the court's order but uh you know the lion's share these are for juveniles and and I know that's one of the main concerns we're talking about tonight um there are no warrants issued these are not state reported not state reportable um and when a teen goes through team court the case is dismissed so it shows as a dismissal um even though they plead guilty or no contest when we go to team court it's what's called a deferred judgment so they defer that guilty or no contest so the end if they successfully complete that then it's dismissed uh if they don't if they don't complete that so if the juvenile does not then they're referred back to the court and see what other options they might be able to do and that just depends on the judge and their circumstances so this never goes on an individual's record if they get it as a juvo never it'll never be reported uh anywhere on their record folks we're gonna we're gonna take two more questions um we are bumping up on time and I want to make sure that we hear from as many people as possible as you can tell this is a robust discussion and we won't have closure tonight um which is why we also have comment cards for you to leave with our office so um I saw two more questions in the back uh yes with this portion of this one once again in this portionality is I hear correction a lot of correction but I don't care and that's unacceptable we talk about medication strategy as far as uh in it I mean citation that that is a that that is a community that's punished me right so what is the city doing as far as investing to put it to Katie if this was something that would mean to curb or curtail crime what is the city's plan and I heard the turn to talk about the coming up program what is the city doing from a standpoint of care to actually mitigate some of the challenges that we're seeing in me I mean we're they're having a vigil tonight for a stupid devil shot or we should be a lot like they did not have to cut you that happened in the middle so we're trying to do things to curtail and to take help and to curb crime what type of investment is the city willing to put into to make sure that there's care alongside of the correction because just correction will not work and that's what the citation is it corrects the problem there on the street but if there's a problem of crime how are we mitigating that what is the care part and honestly I think from that standpoint speaking up since I am a former educator in education policy that's how we're seeing problems their community problems that creep into the school we've got to figure out a way to show up our community therefore we don't have those types of issues so I just want the city to be mindful about the investment that it makes into innovation and not so much the impact of punitive citations and incorrect views you got to marry those two thank you I don't like I said we need to wait until the care and not necessarily be so focused on criminal criminalization right thank you for your feedback all of this is really helpful as you know I continue to you know work on this issue on our district's behalf to your point one thing I'll say that I've really valued about this council and the direction that our police department is trying to take is there's this mantra that you may hear a lot that we can't cite our way out of crime that is going to take all of us doing our part to ensure that we're not only keeping our children safe but building safe neighborhoods and ultimately a safe city and so thank you for that comment bring the people in and actually work with you those programs that are underutilized resources in those communities they're trained to work with you instead of just this being a police problem bring everybody to be taken especially those that are trained and working with our students thank you for that and we have time for maybe one more question and then we'll move on to the next segment of the listening session yes ma'am or let's take both of y'all I saw both y'all raise at the same time very quickly I want to just I want to acknowledge the I hear a lot of what's supposed to happen I hear a lot of policies and procedures and the way we do things but we cannot I cannot underscore enough how much tragedy occurs because of the policy to practice gap and what we say is happening with law enforcement what we say is happening in systems is not always what's happening in those real life situations and so we can't lean too heavily into policy and we have to think very deeply and consider practice I also want to bring some very clear correction to a term that I heard earlier in the state in the listening circle about regardless of race because when you use statements like regardless of race what you're essentially doing is gaslighting communities of color who experience these issues at disproportionately higher rates than white children and white citizens so we can't ever particularly in a city that is majority minority that is majority people of color we make up almost 70 percent of the city's population therefore when we say things like regardless of race in race-based situations and in race-based contexts with race-based problems it is effectively slapping the faces of all the people who experience these issues on a daily basis. I'm just studying the fact sheet and it says 2015 to 2020 but there's no actual facts on the decrease in crime like it's just innovation so I'm just trying to figure out why we would carry a curfew for five years with no data on the decrease in the increase in crime what are you what are you what is this what are you doing we're trying to solve the problem that is the question that we are asking as a council office right which is why we delay this vote now three times because we want to make sure that we have all the data that we need to make the best vote so do you have data or how it has impacted public safety I do not have you're not mentioning anything thank you thank you for that well we'll see you just know that that's something that office is really deeply interested in when we talk about making a vote on the curfew um it's actually showing that we're over right with no decrease in crime thank you y'all we are bumping up against time and I know that this is a discussion um the discussion doesn't end here and that's the most important vote part for y'all sitting here but also for you watching all live we want to hear from you as a council office like I said this is not um this is all of our scene and we've made decisions based on until that end we have common cards for those of y'all who are here in person we have three things on that common card we want to know your level of support of this ordinance and we'd like to know more about that answer so that's the second question and then lastly when we want to hear any of your thoughts or concerns whether positive or negative or anywhere between don't hold back on your feedback because that helps us then go to council um and be able to take your voice with us um if you're online um you can email our office at district six at forward texas.gov to share your input with us on this very important decision um and um although we're a little bit before seven at one delete time before seven for you all to ask direct questions to staff to me we also have the district six office staff here miss david johnson is our district six district director mr joshua rivers is our constituent services director that is a new position that's meant to address any concerns that you all have as district six residents and he's there walking alongside of you every step of the way as we work to navigate answering your issue with city staff so with that means that thank y'all again for attending this important conversation for lending your voice and perspectives to me on this important issue thank you to our city staff for helping to answer some of the questions that we received tonight thank you to the old but very famous associate legal association for also um lending your expertise um to the conversation um and just as important thank you all um for taking time out of a monday after cal always lost i know i mean first for video but i'm still recovering um but nonetheless just know that i'm here attending to your viewership so thank you all and y'all have a nice night and a little stick around