 Ok, let's see what are the packages added there. And what should someone do who says, okay, I don't agree with this, I would like this package to go back in or whatever. Uh-oh. Okay, why I packed this editor? Do I speak my native language now? From last one month or so, okay? So that's basically the answer. Oh, film! Should we take a picture? Thank you. Contact point for this kind of customer. Hi, studio. So, um, could we decide on some way to handle packages from the not-testing list? Uh, you mean, uh, from these, uh, from these oldest lists, do you want to process them? Yeah, because, uh, I mean, they are probably, like, a hundred and fifty packages for a candidate or a Google. Um, on the... Let's have a look. I've already heard a lot about this in my life. So, what's this now? The only thing that's missing now is the recognition of the FTP master of security, which is the one that runs and the one that's called the Debian admin. So that's the machine. So probably we... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... So we are starting now. I think it's very nice to see you all here. We have a lot of good work here and have a nice time. There's no sauna. Nobody told me. Are we all going to be naked there? No, come on, don't take videos of that. I think we should just start off now. Do you want to start? Where are you? Who are you? My name is Andy Bart. I don't want to start so long. My name is Martin. My name is Marco. I'm studying physics here at Darmstadt. I'm one of the local guys here. I was involved in the linear projection. I'm now perhaps in the future. I'm offering some sleeping places for tonight. My name is Nis. I'm also from Darmstadt. Can you stand up please? Thank you. Can you stand on the table? Can you dance? I'm also one of the local guys here providing sleeping pants. I've been using them for six years now. I'm not a developer. I'm trying to be a parent for somebody. My name is Mohammed Al-Den. My nickname is Nien. I'm from France. I'm a maintainer. I'm working on the dummy packages to get rid of the poor batch. I'm interested in working on the orphan packages. Hello everybody. My name is Alexey Soukriyed. My name is Soukriyed. I don't know how to pronounce that in English. I'm in the NMQ. I maintain a couple of packages in the archive for one year. And for Q&A, I started working on the proposal with that name. And the vaccine was a way to enhance the handling of orphan packages. And we gave a talk about that Sunday. My name is Peter Scher. I should probably come from out of here but I won't touch it. My name is Ithu Mavin and I'm a mate. My name is Ithu Mavin and I'm a dog. And then I think that's what happens when you do not. I mainly do reporting, doing devices at work. And work on affordability issues. Also, user land stuff, like people doing city things. I maintain a couple of... I maintain a policy book. I will work on some of the book documents and all of them soon. Q&A work is mostly work fixing, looking at a field from source and picking things which seem like easy to solve and no one somehow doesn't want to fix it or submit a patch. I generally don't do that. I mean, they should just pick the packages and apply them to themselves and understand them so that next time they can deal with themselves. But I'm willing to help anyone in doing... figuring out why their packages work on 64-bit or more. I will do a talk on tomorrow morning, I think, of portability and system architecture. Which is, where are the general architecture problems and also why are the architectures the way they are. But it will probably become more clear tomorrow. Okay, so, I think you are next. My name is Rafael Ansog. My nickname is Betsy. I've been involved in Q&A since almost the beginning for me. I started in 1998. I downloaded the package to be QGT-FTP. Nice question on the bug. That was my first Q&A group. Then the year after, I tried to organize the Q&A team by creating the Q&A.dev.org website. I tried to create a Q&A committee The only thing which is left is the group ID on the server, but nothing else. After that, I decided that my work in Q&A would be about giving good tools to maintainers so that they can do a good work. So that they don't have to fix anything. And that's when I started to write the package tracking system in 2001. Since then, I'm still interested in the organizational part of the Q&A team. That's why I started with Alexi, the work on the... I have a set of tools to help in collaborative maintenance with suppression and so on. But there will be a talk this weekend about this today, so I won't give more info right now. Hi, my nickname is Sam. I'm Sam Hossebar. I've been doing... Well, most of my work on Q&A has been adopting orphan packages which were threatened of... of... disappearing. So I maintain a lot of packages since I started adopting packages in 1999. I must have adopted, like, 40 source packages trying to get them to a decent level. For some of them, I even became the new upstream because upstream was dead. No, I'm starting to have less and less time to devote to these packages. So I'm interested in knowing what's going to happen to orphan packages now because if I orphan them now, they will probably disappear in a year or maybe quicker. I don't want that to happen because I'm using a few of them. Some of them I only maintain because I don't want them to disappear. They still have users, even if a few of them. But I'm just... Yeah, I think most of my packages are at the very bottom of the popcorn. Some of them I have rescued and they are at a pretty decent place now. But anyway, I just don't want the software in Debian to disappear because for some of them it's the only place you can find them on the whole internet now. It's in the Debian repository. It's just a shame to have them disappear. Well, that's the nostalgic part. And I'm doing a few NMUs during the bug-swashing parties on orphan packages. And I'm doing a talk tomorrow about how to solve build issues related to the... of the conflict we make and the two issues. Hi, I'm Pedro Fliment. M-O-O-C-D-H. Much. Okay. My name is Pierre Machard. My name is Megus. I was involved in the QA last year. During this year, I was quite away from Debian and I am happy to be there today with you. And I am an official developer since more than two years now. I am involved in the French localization with Adena. And I made some NMU. I adopted packages I am using, for example, Eagle USB, which is a driver for our DSL connection in France. And I am trying to... and the same that Sam explained to add up the packages that are offered. And I tried to... to give them to new people. For example, a few months ago, I adopted Mosa. And I contacted upstream. And among those upstream, one of them wants to become an official developer. So I am trying to introduce new commerce to Debian. And I am also an applicant manager. Even if I only process three applicants for more than one year. But I want to help and to provide some... my knowledge. You can have the camera back. Yeah, I am Marc Bochschmidt. Most people know me as H.E. How I actually pronounce it is not really decided yet. So... you can say... whatever, I don't care. I am mostly doing new maintainer work. I am quite active application manager. And do a bit of front desk work. Well, all. But we don't need a break here. So, yeah, I am interested in QA because it's... interesting how Debian has like 18,000 binary packages and most of them suck. And I want... No, you can actually show that to other people. I want to help to make Debian as a whole better, which means on one side removing packages who obviously don't meet our standards and on the other hand improving packages so they meet our standards. I am doing a bit of... in a moving like, I don't know, four or five months. Not very much, mostly very simple stuff. And I try to help new maintainers to help the project in the QA process by sponsoring it. Yeah, I will... I will host a workshop about new maintainers stuff. I didn't know about that yet, but I will definitely... definitely hold a talk about new maintainer and QA interaction tomorrow. Okay. So, I am Maria. I come from Spain. I do just to make things simple for you. Most of the time I am very confused about you having names and nicknames and then a different Debian login and all that stuff. So, not that active in QA as I want to be. That's why I am here. I am very interested in what comes out of this meeting. I do the occasional books question party. I trap the missing inaction people. I sometimes tell Martin or former Debian that this person is not responding and things like that. And that's... that's basically it. Yes, I also adopted lots of packages for emotional reasons, like sandals, like so sorry that it's an orphan that no one cares. I'll take it and fix it. And then, well, I also have been in the missing inaction team for more or less for a year or so, so I wanted to see things from the other side. That was a joke. Yeah, I've been missing inaction for a year and I've got to see... Yeah, I adopted the BI anonymous. So that's nice of you. Okay. Next I'll say this quality part. I'm Alexander Schmiel. My nickname is Tollima. I haven't been active in... Q-A very much. Please cut that out. I loved organizing the box version party last year somewhere and I think I will thumb missing man pages. Since I'm leaving nearby, I thought it might be a nice idea to show up and try to work getting much more work. My nickname is Sobel. I'm one of the organizers of the meeting. My Q-A work. I'm working on auto-building stuff. I developed together with Andreas Barth last year the experimental built-D network. We try to build auto-build packages which get uploaded to experimental to help maintain us to not have so many fail-to-build-from-source packages before they're going to install so we're at least offering some space where they can upload them. We're also using that built-D network for the new maintainer process for the Debian Archive kit installed on one of Jack's posts. I'm trying to help organizing. My nickname is DJ Pick. My Q-A work is today mostly organizing the box-fishing parties. In the last half year or so my most of my Debian work is to go more to the release stuff but in some areas this interacts nicely so for example the box-fishing parties I'm trying to move many packages from testing so that we don't have to care so much about them and try and have many good, a lot of packages. I'm working on Nintian as one of the maintainers I will also give a talk about that on Sunday and there's some work on going to where we try to better integrate the different PA tools like Nintian, Puparts, what the last just wrote and so on but that's only very hard to talk about now but that's the stuff I want to work in the future so to better integrate this and to better make the results available to maintainers in the QA kit. My name is Chris Berg. My name is Mühren. I've been a long-term developer since money. Well, for QA I did some QA uploads last year and on Tuesday I think. How did you do QA uploads last year if you were to develop kind of consoles? You can actually make QA uploads. A lot of users make QA uploads. Well, I think I will continue to do that in the future to improve some of the, just to solve some of the obvious bugs maybe squash some RC bugs if they're not too hard and we'll see what the meeting gives you for the future opportunities. My name is Krospo. My email name is Agargor. My nickname is FJB. I'm mostly involved with the Debian installer and not really with QA work at all but being involved in the installer gives you a very good road view of Debian because the installer touches almost everything in the end. All architectures, a lot of the basic infrastructure of Debian so you get to see a lot and Abba and Martin really asked me if I wanted to be here and said, oh, I'm so. I think you're doing quite much QA because you're doing documentation. I do some documentation, yes. Not some like the old release notes or something. India, yes. I think that's QA work as well. The new release notes with the new depth stop going on my ground. It's going to be fun, yes. Okay, that's it. I'm Arirato Simo, nickname Lato, log name Arirato, the co-chancellor Maya. Just to give you another view, I'm Kadim Antena and my QA work comes a bit as a side effect of me wanting to help the release team so I'm going to have to do a non-material cloud or something like that. I'm basically interested in two aspects which are related to the big number of packages Debian have. One is managing them daily, like on their big translations and all stuff ensuring that things get built properly. For example, if you don't get different versions called libraries in different architecture, it's difficult to manage that. And the second thing, how we manage craft packages, those packages that get an upload and then the maintainer goes by-by and how Debian tries to keep the same base of packages. I think that's an interest that is shared by me. I'm Malnikas Yuck. I'm participating in the expression parties. I try to be helpful in removing packages and I just try to help the QA whenever I like it and whenever I have tried it. My name is Gerfel Fuchs. My login is Arctic and it's also one part of Malnik. The other one is Rhonda. I'm doing mostly bug reports about stupid package descriptions like online long descriptions that don't make much sense or don't describe the package at all. What's that? I also look after some of the order or sending packages sometimes like I picked up an interest before the body release because it was the only one, the only package that depends on the old lip and curses form. So yeah, body release without lip and curses form because I picked up the package because the former maintainer didn't care and something similar happened back then with X-plus the former maintainer didn't care. Sometimes when you file bug reports about packages you become the maintainer of it. What's that you didn't have had? Yes, and of course I had been quite intensive in translation works. I liked it in the last times quite much because there were one or two people who did a lot of work but one of them moved away to some other places. I think it might be needed that I go back there. I have a spoiler here. I think the spoiler was 0-1. Important. I'm involved in fully automatic installation and in DI and I'm new maintainer process now. I might do some QA on DI here or I got some bugs which I want to either report or comment on. I want to talk a bit about maintaining the similar error and also what's in the DevCon video team and Martin also asked me to take some of these talks here and I hope I can write something and not to make a video. Hi, my name is Bully Martens and I'm new here. I'm a freelance in Susatman not yet DD, not in the LMQ well, doing... Kick me out. Some random bug fixing sometime in time. Getting a sponsor. I'm mostly here to find out how to effectively do some more QA work. I'm your guest host, Nickname Ganev. I'm mostly involved in the FTP master team. I'm also playing thumb from time to time. Very seldomly. And since most of my QA work is placed at the moment, there's a new Q kicking packages out. Good, sir. That doesn't get me... That doesn't need to get kicked out. I think that's rejected. So I whistle, I really need to pick a partner. I wrote Stepcheck, which is part of the QA demo work. I think I wrote it for the potato release and it hasn't changed much since then. Maybe for some really ugly pearl. That's very nice. And I'm not really sure how useful the output is nowadays, but... Well, it's still a month, so... What else? Just doing my normal packages and stuff. Not much else. But I'm part of the only QA group, so... That's why I'm here. I'm Uli Scholler. My nickname is Captain Nemo. I'm not a Debian developer. Not yet. I'm part of the organizers here. These rooms are my departments. And because we run our workstations with Debian, I'm interested in running them smoothly. And that is QA work by itself. Okay, my name is Kudumar and my idea of my work for Debian is helping them find time for Debian. I just forget that you're not part of it. Well, it's just about... I'm really not a part of it. It's kind of the least we get. Well, my name is Arli Bart, nickname AGA. What I do for QA is a bit very... When I start to do something, it's very first thing before I start to make the packages, was actually doing QA work and closing all the W and P feedbacks. Which showed me a lot of interesting characters, like ERA and other people who are probably forgotten by now. So I started to... I checked bad packages, but for the packages I asked Kudumar to send them to me. So that's the little way of checking packages. So I started to sell a lot of packages. Now I'm... My QA work has... At some point in time, my QA work has led me to join the release channel, which in effect of that was that I now somehow part of the release team. And do the most of the work there. But I'm still doing some... That really smelt. What happened? There are some things I want to do more in QA game. For example, I'm working a bit on a library check, as it tells me they are served by the libraries, like Lipset, are aesthetically compiled into a library package. There's very nice packages that come to test this library even in vulnerable versions. So very fun to see. Yes, and there's something else that I did. I feel it too often by now, is I saw an important bad-making package. I started to submit packages, I started to interview it, and somehow I became a maintainer of the package, but I was not so successful in getting rid of the package. So there's something I really want to start off with. I'm still maintainer of the IP loop package, but I'm not really someone who knows a lot about QA work. Well, it seems like it's a very nice maintainer, but it's not so hard. How should we handle such basic packages? I think IP loop is also a basic package, it provides basic mixed functionality. How can we perhaps maintain a team? I don't think we can talk about it, but I think we definitely will have some time to exchange some good ideas about something like that. So I think that's all. And now before we go further, before we leave this room, let's have an official loudspeaker. Yes, we decided to shift all the things for tomorrow, except the barbecuing for one hour, till the barbecuing for one hour. So we started 10 o'clock with breakfast, because a few of us had to stand up this morning very early. So we are beginning here at 10 o'clock, and at 5.45 with Buxy's talk about learning the tunnels of the package tracking system.