 Here we go. Welcome everyone to a brand new sweet podcast. Yes, the name has changed this sweet podcast. Today your host Zach and Cody Curtis have a very interesting conversation today. They're talking about walking Phoenix's Joker. They're discussing the tale-to-tale games. Closing and remembering some of their favorite moments from gaming with them. And of course it wouldn't be a sweet podcast without them debating or getting into an argument about something stupid. And today they might be discussing some guilty pleasures and what really are the best guilty pleasure franchises. But without further ado, Zach, Cody, you guys take it away. Going on everyone, welcome to the sweet film podcast. My name is Zach and of course my co-host here. What's going on? How are you viewers? My name is Cody. I hope you're all having a fantastic day because you've got a couple of clowns talking into your ear. And does anyone out there want a balloon? Because I'm giving my name for free. Woo! Obviously you guys can hear we're talking like jokers because we are going to talk about the new Joker set photos of walking Phoenix. We mentioned it in the last podcast but now we have like actual makeup, actual stuff of him in the full makeup. We're going to discuss that. We're also, for you guys to know, if you guys notice, I said sweet film podcast, not sweet film podcast anymore. It's because I made an announcement over on Twitter that me and Cody have decided to change the name from sweet film podcast to the sweet podcast. Same stuff, just me and him talking film but also we want to bring in some video game talk, TV talk and today we are going to be discussing a little bit of video games. We'll get to that sad news in a little bit. But of course like we start off every show, we talk, we start with just rambling on, talking about some random stuff and I have something I want to talk about, Cody. And I don't think you've watched the show yet but it's called Maniac. Have you heard of the show on Netflix? I have heard of it. I haven't seen it though. Do you know who was in it? Emma Stone and Jonah Hill, right? Yes, and it's directed by Kerry Fukunaga, the man who wrote the original It script, directed True Detective and is now directing the new Bond film. And let me say after watching Maniac, 100% understand why he's doing Bond. 100%, there's one episode that there's camera angles with a certain action sequence and it's amazing. Now, I didn't completely love the show and I kind of want to bring it up on this podcast because one, I'm not going to do a sub review. I'm just not, I'm not going to do a sub review. It's too late already to do a review. It's too late already to do a review. But I thought I would bring it up on here. So Maniac, it's a crazy show, crazy show. One of the weirdest shows I've ever watched. It's like watching someone's dreams and nightmares come true. And then you're not understanding some of it, but understanding it fully. It's weird. I feel like I understand everything that happened, but at the same time, I feel like I didn't. It's a very confusing but interesting show that really pays off in that last episode. Because I told myself, as much as weird as the show can be, it held how the last episode goes. And the last episode did not disappoint me. It's the best episode of the whole season. Actually, probably the second best. Because the show is about these people who go a pharmaceutical tech to take, like, to test certain drugs. And they go under these, like, mind things and their minds get put into computers and they experience weird phenomenons and Emma Stone and Jonah Hill's characters start connecting into this, where they're in the same dreams. And these dream sequences that they go into is, like, out of inception. Not as weird as inception, well, some of them can be weird, but not as, like, buildings moving and stuff. But they tackle stuff that is happening in their real life world within these fantasy realms. There's a whole gang area with Jonah Hill, where Jonah Hill's a gangster. There's one where Emma Stone's a fucking elf in, like, Lord of the Rings. It's insane. I don't want to go any more detail, but it is a really interesting show that's really worth watching. If I was to write it, I'd probably give it an 8.5 out of 10. I loved some aspects to it, and I really liked others. It didn't pay off completely for me. I think the show should have been two episodes shorter. I think it would have been just eight episodes. It would have been a way more solid show. The first three episodes are very slow, and I get why they are, but it took a bit to get in there. But I will say the four best things about that show, the score, best score I've heard all year, best score all year. Really? Jerry Fukunaga was directing, absolutely fantastic directing, and the other two main things are the performances from every single actor and actress. I'm not even joking, because when you go into these dreamlike scenarios, they're tackling different characters. There's one dream that a Jonah Hill and Emma Stone go into where they're doing accents and everything, two-word of forest performances. The fact that they played, they are literally playing multiple different characters throughout the show. They're still playing their same selves, but they're playing different aspects of them. It is insane how good both of them are in it. If you're still not on board with the Jonah Hill train, and this guy can do anything, he can do anything. Emma Stone, superb. Both of them. And then I need to look up the guy's name, but he was in Game Night earlier this year, and he's in this show too. It's the guy who brought that one older lady to be his date or whatever. Oh! Billy Magnussen is in the show. Excellent. I want this guy in everything now. So, so good. Okay. And Justin Therrox is also in it. Superb. Sonia Mizoni, who's also in Crazy Rich Asians earlier this year. Superb. Outstanding performances. That was hands down the best thing about the show. And that is what hooked me with the performances. The show could have been complete ass, and I still would have given it at least a seven, because how good those performances were. So, really, Cody, when you get the chance, binge watch it. Okay. It's a tough show to binge. It's really slow, but I think for people who are fans of The Leftovers, which Leftovers is like top ten favorite television shows of all time for me, this is a show that deserves it. It sucks that we're only getting one season of it, because I really would have liked two more, or at least one more, because especially, the ending is happy, and I liked where it ended at, because I felt concluded. But I love the characters so much that I wanted to explore more with them. Gotcha. And I mean, that's awesome. I'm going to have to check this out, because the way you've described it, it makes me think that it's kind of a combination of both Inception and Black Mirror, and I just got stuck. Yeah. Black Mirror is a really good one to compare it to, but yeah, no, I recommend watching it as soon as you can, and anyone who watches the podcast before you get spoiled, because it's a show that you have to interject into yourself. Like, there are certain shows where I'll sit down, I'll watch the first few episodes, if it hooks me, I'll watch the rest of the season that day, and that's Maniac. Okay. Well, I'm going to have to get started at some point, after I get lots of papers about Evil Dead. That's all I got. I want you to know about the Evil Dead films. If October, you do not watch those. I will fucking stop the podcast, if you do not watch those. We will go on hiatus until you watch all the Evil Dead films. You're going to stop our podcast that we're doing right now, just so I can watch the Evil Dead films, if I don't. Not October yet, but by October first. If you're not done by October 25th, we are done. All right. If I'm not finished with the Evil Dead by October 25th, then we are done with the podcast. I just mean the movies. I don't mean the television show. That's going to take you a bit longer. The movies, you have no excuse. That's three hours that you can sit down, stop playing Spider-Man, stop touching yourself and watching. Right on. Okay. Well, it is October, this, this October, I really look like a guy with a plan. I have been planning to watch more horror films this October, just not, not only for the sake of watching them, but I have articles to write. But you do. Yes, you do. Before we get into that, I spent a lot of time talking about Maniac Cody. Is there anything you want to bring up real fast before we really get into our first main topic? Well, as far as shows go, as far as shows, I think a show, if people haven't already checked it out, is a show that I learned about, because you told me about it earlier this year. And that is the show Glow. I thought you were going to talk about Queer Eye. I'm like, I do it. I can't, I can't. I watched the first season. I couldn't do it. I don't like it. Wait, wait, really? I didn't like it. I thought it was fine. I thought it was fine. I really did thought it was, I watched the first three episodes. I stopped watching it. I was like, no, I'll go back. I finished it. I just couldn't get into it. Maybe it's just because that's not the type of show I wanted to watch at the moment. I like forced myself to watch it, but. All right. Well, I mean, teach their own. And yeah, Queer Eye is one of the shows that I do recommend that everybody check out at least once. But the show I would actually recommend is Glow. I have a few shows that I need to actually start watching for one thing. I do need to start watching Westworld. That is on my list. Yeah, Westworld, Ozark. Those are Ozarks. The only thing you're good about Westworld though is that the next season isn't coming out till 2020. So you literally have over like a year and a half to watch the show. Yeah. So that's actually a very good point. That's a very good point. I do catch up on Game of Thrones first because that's coming back. Wait. Yeah. True. I think it's going to be one of those things where I catch up on Game of Thrones after the series has ended though because I'm going to school at the second half and I'm going to be like, she died. Because I've gotten through the first season of Game of Thrones and that's about it for right now. But it's because you know what? I promise you this. I promise you this. If you sit down and get through the second season, you won't stop. The second season is the one that hooks every single person and after that they dedicate the rest of their days to Game of Thrones until they're done. That's how it was with me. So Cody, promise me this. Before you watch anything else, I don't care if you watch Evil Dead, to be honest. I want you to watch the second season of Game of Thrones. If you are not fully invested by Battle of Blackwater, we're stopping the podcast. Okay. Okay. When it comes to... Okay, I will do that, but you got to give me a little bit more time than just the month of October because I have a lot of stuff to catch up on. That's 10 hours of your life. That's 10 hours of your life. I don't want to hear you playing video games, touching yourself. We're going to see some shitty movie. If I hear you go and see Assassination Nation over watching an hour of Game of Thrones, I will yell at you. What if I go see First Man over watching Game of Thrones? That's fine. That's something else. Okay. Anyway, I think we are getting down the rabbit hole, but Glow. Glow is the show I wanted to talk about because if there are people who have not watched the gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling that is on Netflix right now, you don't watch it. You're gay. Did you say if you don't watch it, you're gay? Yeah. Who doesn't like watching? Even if you're gay, you'll probably like it, but who doesn't like watching hot, beautiful women wrestle and act their ass off? That's a very good point, especially since the story of Glow is so good. I've already expressed this since we are going to be getting into this, that Mark Maron, besides Alice and Bree, I love Alice and Bree. I love Ruth as a character in Glow. Mark Maron in Glow is, he's so great. That's just going to be my selling point on this. For those of you who haven't seen it and you have Netflix, watch Glow. It is 100% worth your time and I cannot wait to see where they go with season three, but Mark Maron, he's in the Joker film. I think we should go and talk about Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. Perfect segue. You were thinking exactly what I was thinking. We're going to segue this shit. Let me go again and say, here we go. We are talking, of course, Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker. We discussed this last time on the podcast, but we just had that first still image of him, which looked cool. The next day happens and it's in full paint and mask. Oh, my God. It's awesome. It is. And people are crapping on it, but I love it. Even if this is the final look, I'm all on board. To be honest, and I get it, some people weren't on board, but that teaser, that makeup teaser got me more hyped than most trailers do in general. The music, everything, like here, I will actually play it and we will show it on here. Oh, it's showing a Halloween trailer on my screen right now, but it is, it is insane. It's incredible. Yeah. Like you just look at this and and just, I just love looking at him and you just see like the clown in the background dancing with the original purple shirt and jacket and then it just, you see him smile. You see it panning in and bam. He smiles and then just goes back to a serious face. Beautiful. Fucking beautiful. It's amazing. Come on. Come on now. No, it's beautiful. You know, it's not just that. I mean, that alone is really, really good, but the TMZ footage that we got of the Joker in the subway. Yeah. And you know what? I was analyzing. You can see the actual set photos off of there though. There were actual better photos of him. Yeah. And they look amazing. In the makeup and everything else. Yeah. And I think people who are complaining with the makeup, if you see it in context, it works so much better. You know what I can't wait to hear though? What? The laugh? His laugh. Yep, not his voice. I could care less about his voice, but his laugh is going to make, but going back to that set photo really fast, in behind, if you look at the pictures or the things people are holding up the other clowns, a lot of them say Joker for mayor and then one says Thomas Wayne is Scrooge. Like a lot of them are dismounting Thomas Wayne. Yeah. Okay. That is really interesting. And this gives... And he's in the film. He's in the film. I mean, this will give a little bit more of an interesting origin story because I mean, geez, knowing that, I mean, generally when you think of the Joker, if Thomas Wayne is still alive, generally a lot of people think of the Joker at that time. He may be causing trouble in Gotham, but he's like a man in his 20s. Locking Phoenix, not so much. This is a much older Joker. It's going to be a character piece and it's going to be awesome. Well, I mean, he can be... I mean, Locking Phoenix would probably play a 30-year-old, to be honest. He's not that old. Like the guy who looks young in the photo, like he was only born in 1974. He can pull off things in the 30s though. Yeah. I'll tell you. I think everyone thinks he's older than he is, but I think Joker's only going to be like early 30s in this film, if anything. I mean, that's very true. And when he encounters Batman, I mean, he's in his 50s for the most part. Yeah. He doesn't like go toe-to-toe half the time. I will say though, if this film works, I know like they're saying it's a one-off, but I think we discussed this earlier and maybe it was just us discussing it in private. Maybe I was discussing it with someone else. I've always said that if they continue these one-offs, which I really do think they should, especially if this works, why not do have John Hamm come in as a very grizzled old Dark Knight, like the Dark Knight Returns comic, the best comic out there for the Batman, in my opinion, or do a killing joke. Well, this is... this actually is remembered to kind of be a killing joke. So, I don't know, which out the Batman is story arc, but wouldn't that be cool if they tied in John Hamm? Like, I mean, that's like fan speculation. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I think that would be cool. Yeah, it would be fantastic. Honestly, that's one of my disappointments. I love the fact that Walking Phoenix is being the Joker and all that. He's the best actor today. He's the best actor working today. I don't... Daniel Day-Lewis retired. He's the best. He's not my favorite. Like, he's in my top five. But for me personally, Walking Phoenix is hands down the best actor working in Hollywood today. 100%. If Daniel Day-Lewis came in, it'd probably be second. But I go walk... I think this is like top five actors like working in Hollywood today. This isn't like a personal preference. This is like legit, like I'm being completely honest. Walking Phoenix, DiCaprio, Gyllenhaal, Hardy, and then I'd probably say Gosling. I think... I'd probably say Gosling. Actually, you know what? Take Gosling out for Christian Bale. I think Christian Bale and then Gosling. Okay. Those are some fantastic choices. I'm kind of sad that Day-Lewis did retire because imagine if we actually got a film where Walking Phoenix and Daniel Day-Lewis were in it together. Imagine what that would be like. Honestly, all these actors say, I retire. If a role comes to him that he loves, you know he'll come back. Yeah. And one of my disappointments with the origin movie is if we were just going to do a one-off, I'm not going to lie. I kind of would have liked to see Walking Phoenix and John Hamm do like a Dark Knight Returns or a Killing Joke type of thing. I would have loved for them to have done that too. It's just... The thing though is I'm really excited because the guy who wrote this film wrote the fighter and I love that film with Christian Bale. Yeah. He also wrote Eight Mile, an Eminem film which is criminally underrated. That movie is amazing. I love Eight Mile. I love, love, love that film. It's a really good movie. Yeah, no. Eight Mile is great. And for me, you know straight out of Compton is fantastic. Eight Mile is right up there with straight out of Compton for me. I like Eight Mile more personally. I like Eight Mile more. Even though I don't know, it goes back and forth, but I think Eight Mile is strong but straight out of Compton is strong. I just felt like it was kind of rushed in the back half but that's a different story. But yeah, a joker man. I think we're both really excited for this film. To be honest, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest right here. I don't think we'll see a trailer before the end of the year when I have to do my Top 10 most anticipated list for next year. And it will be in my Top 10. But if for some reason I get a trailer, it might be Shazam out for my number one next year. Yeah. And I'm being serious. Like right now it goes Shazam and I know a bunch of people would be like, what about Episode 9? What about Avengers 4? What about Episode 9? Zach! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop. Just fucking stop. I love Toy Story. I love Avengers. I love fucking Star Wars. But Shazam is like one of my favorite Heroes of the Universe. And Zachary Levi is one of my favorite actors. So fuck you Which is so funny because like this I shit on the DC universe like probably once a day Even though I really like I enjoy all their films except Suicide Squad and I shit on all them I shit on this universe because I deserve so much better as a DC fan Yeah, and I hope that God Titans is good if Titans gets good credibility I'm a fucking by tight. I'm gonna buy the DC streaming service and binge watch it that first day Damn, I'm sick fuck But for real internet listen Shazam is my number one and if Joker becomes my number one guess what's gonna be number two another DC film Let me say this this thing all change easily the second I see Avengers 4 trailer You know what I mean like the second I see that trailers done say with Toy Story 4 like I predict We'll probably see both those trailers by December at the most yeah at the leaf because it's they both come out in May At June um shit don't count out. Don't count out a lot and I'm excited for that too I mean doesn't Avengers 4 doesn't that trait not trailer, but doesn't it come out around the same time that That a infinity war did isn't it gonna come around and to be early May it's May But I believe I'll move it up to April again Let's see if already Jake and do do us a solid like he did this year. Let's be honest all marketing It'll do it. No fuck. Yeah, they well I mean if they were like if they're like move it up to March. They'll probably be like Okay That's Captain Marvel man. They did Captain Marvel inches That's right Honestly, I don't think they'll hit April too because I'm pretty sure I think Shazam comes out in April too But you know yeah April. Yeah, they won't I don't think they'll touch April either. I think May is the best time for them next year because there's not that much I'm saying that now. I need to check. I'll tell you if there's one thing When it comes to what we're talking about which is the Joker there is one photo one on set photo of him in the makeup that impressed me and That's when that's when he's not smiling. That's when he looks really really dark and serious On set. I mean literally it was one of those things where I saw the set photos and I was like if I'm What is it? I forgot this movie was even a thing Wait, what wait? What is my number one film of next year? What is it? It comes out in May, too I literally cannot wait for this movie. What is it? Detective Pikachu. Oh my friggin guy I'm calling it now. It's gonna be great movie. It's calm. I'll tell you now It's gonna be a good movie Ryan Reynolds is doing the voice of fucking Pikachu So we're gonna hear Ryan Reynolds go No, he's gonna go No, what if the voice of Deadpool comes out of Pikachu funny, um, yeah next Oh Next May is actually pretty packed So Avengers kicks it off the first week and we got the technical issue the next week John Wick 3 the next week and the Elton John biopic with Taren Egerton the next week after that and Then Aladdin and the Minecraft movie come out and then the the may ends with Godzilla Mike Yeah, that's strong real fast though. Okay. We're done talking about Joker I need to talk about something that I told you that I'm so fucking excited about Can we please just get a little bit excited for Kingsman fucking 3 getting announced for next November With everyone coming back Matthew Vaughn writing and directing. I'm saying I love the first Kingsman I fucking love Kingsman 2 fuck you if you didn't like it. I don't care bonkers balls the wall the best thing I've watched like favorite one of my favorite films of last year I loved Kingsman 2 Okay, eat my ass. You didn't like it this this should ease your pain because one of my friends at school It is actually her favorite film. Oh, yeah, I remember you told me that they had a friend. Yeah, yeah No, it's her favorite film all the time and I can understand why was it one of my favorite films of last year It wasn't top 10. I'd say it's probably top 15. I really enjoyed Kingsman 2. I thought it was great Yeah, but honestly second one Better, uh, I'd have to say the first one only because really first one. Well because the first one was such a surprise I mean nobody was expecting Kingsman to be Kingsman personally the only thing I think the I think the second one did wrong um Was I kind of wish they didn't interject so much statesman stuff in there and not touch on it more because it just I mean they're doing a spin-off film to it, but Jesus dude, I'm so excited because I was so worried. We were never going to get another Kingsman I was so worried because this is the universe that I want to touch on I want to go into again And I'm so happy that they announced it with Matthew Bond coming back and sorry. I did say he was directing him But I he's not officially directing he is writing it I won't be surprised if he comes back to director though because he's not doing anything else right now And yeah, it's like why wouldn't you just finish your trilogy? You know, you know what I mean like Yeah, absolutely unless you're doing something else like maybe rebooting the X-Men for the MCU But that's more than likely not happening. I'm really I'm really excited for it So yeah, I just want to get that up before we go to a depressing topic Yeah, oh geez dude Yeah, I so It's perspective. We're gonna talk about telltale games closing Um, we're gonna kind of go back talk about our favorite games. They're underrated games pretty much go through their lineup And just give a sincere thank you to the whole crew And in a sense also wish the best of luck and my prayers are with you and your families because I know a lot of game developers They live paycheck to paycheck. They don't get paid the best Yeah, and I get picked up. Um, so how did telltale games start? Well, sam and max that old game that old pointy click game that lucas arts did they laid off that whole team they went and made telltale And telltale started with the walking dead Back in 2012 and that game was phenomenal. Yeah, it was phenomenal. Yeah, we'll get into that in a second But after that they start really buckling down and doing a bunch of other games They obviously did like back to the future game Jurassic Park sam and max the game thrones Well, we'll get to that that that's after i'm talking about before this is before Okay, but I mean those weren't critical success like they were success But they weren't like walking deadlock walking dead one best game of the year that year Yeah, a lot of it came of their storytelling And I will say I always felt like they were getting a little bit too ambitious Like I'll be honest on that and that's a good thing to get ambitious But I felt like they were never reinventing themselves towards the end. Yeah every game was the same Which made me not want to play all the games in a sense Which isn't the worst thing that I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I still love telltale I wish they would have touched on more games though and done more different things and that's why I kind of hope They come back together and It amazes me that no studio bought them It amazed me that a juggernaut like microsoft or sony did not buy out the studio And take that ip and take them on board because earlier this year microsoft was doing that buying a bunch of different studios for them Because they do have an issue of not having exclusive games for their console That's one of my biggest criticisms for the xbox one right now Which someone actually wanted us to debate ps4 versus xbox, which I know you don't have a xbox I have both and i'm fortunate for that, but I would still go with the ps4 even though I will say the xbox is a stronger Console the ps4 has better exclusives the xbox has had like maybe three really strong exclusives this whole almost Like five years of coming out Probably longer than that now, but it's the truth and I was shocked that they now carrying telltales on our midst I'm like, why didn't you buy them? I'm like you would have had a lot of fans And that's what I think really hurt them in the end, but um Yeah, the ceo put out this thing saying it's been an incredible difficult year for tales I was we worked to set the company on a new course Unfortunately, we ran out time trying to get there really some of our best content this year and Receive a tremendous amount of positive feedback. They always got positive feedback I think they have like one answer is bad But ultimately that did not translate the sales with a heavy heart We watch our friends leave today to spread our brand of storytelling across the game industry Which is something like I hope all these people get picked up real fast, but Well, that's something to where I think they're without a doubt I think they're going to because after it was released that What 255 people got laid off from telltale almost every single studio. I mean Naughty dog, uh, and you know what sucks? I don't think they're finishing the walking dead's new season That's awful that it's uh, it's that's and I mean that's not something that should be on people's minds But I was reading um Like the voice actress plays coming time said I am fortunately like most of you do not know the details on all this came to be I also do not know the fate of the final season the walking dead I just wrote a message share on twitter to my knowledge They were released episode two which they did announce episode two will still come out this week And then that will be it it hurts me that you the fans will not get to see Clems journey through to the end It hurts me that all all the insanely talented people who made this game won't get to see all their hard work Played off and instead trust into now having to look for work, which sucked it. It sucks and I'll honestly like I I haven't played the last the new season yet because I was very disappointed with three. Um But still I mean Even the walking dead being cancelled Wolf among us two got cancelled A stranger things got cancelled. Um, they were talking about doing another guardians of the galaxy one They're talking about doing other marvel properties. I mean they they had fantastic ideas and This is where I want to kind of go through their lineup and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring one up I've played every single one of them. I I don't know about you. I don't know But I played every single one. I play a lot of the salmon max is I played Every walking dead besides the new season. I've played guardians of the galaxy I played a little bit of the back to the future. I played Jurassic Park. I played tails from the borderland I played batman. I played game of thrones. I played a little bit of minecraft like I played them all So we're just gonna kind of go through it Starting with the walking dead. We're just gonna talk about the whole season in general. Which season did you get up to? I got up to the end of uh season two I I think that's where everyone goes and uh 400 days season two up to the season two and 400 days season three I heard mixed stuff on so It wasn't horrible, but it it There's I don't want to get into sports. I do think people should still play the games. Um But there's a certain character that you can save in two When you bring him over to three He automatically dies like earlier on and I was So disappointed that they decided to go with that Because I felt like that was complete bs to be honest But speaking of I think we should start by talking about the walking dead season one because it is what That's the game that won one game a year and it was it was great. It's still a phenomenal game to play Oh, yeah, so i'll be honest though with it It the storytelling holds up the gameplay does not It's very hard for me to trudge through and replay some of these games Especially since the gameplay is not the fun When you play the story so many times like I've played this like four times because I've had to buy it for every damn console Because I have to keep renewing it and renewing it and get a new console and move it over and catch back up So I think I burnt myself out on the telltale, but I still supported them. But walking into the first season Um, I'm talking spoilers for the season if you have not played telltale. I'm sorry. It came out in 2012 Um, see after season two I can kind of get it because those are a little bit newer, but 2012 it's 2018 now when Clementine has the choice to kill lii That I mean lii dying that's brutal was very very tough and Clementine became one of my favorite characters, which I have been praising I really want them to bring so technically the walking dead telltale takes place in the comic book world And I really want them to interject clementine into the new stories or into the television show I think bringing her or leon Would be like phenomenal like to be flat out honest I think would be so good And I've always wanted that because I felt like the what telltale did so good is bringing emotion Um to the point where I fucking cried at that part. Yeah And it's a good game But I think the second season was better than one Yeah, I'm gonna tell you second season was stronger Not as emotional, but it was stronger in its choices It was and I I don't necessarily think I enjoy the Like I I still think the story for season two is strong. I think season one story I think it was just so pure as a first season that it was just It was so good And I'll tell you right now. I haven't watched the walking dead since season six and But if they introduce real fast, I think you're real fast Someone got some people have already seen the first three episodes in the new season and say it's phenomenal So I'm like so happy because The next arc is like my favorite arc from the comic So I'm like Really hesitant since rick's leaving But I'm like hoping I'm like, okay. This is like just do your own thing now. Just do your fucking own thing now I'm gonna tell you though if they if the studio that is producing the show If they decide to bring in either lee or clementine I will watch or heck if they bring kenny into Into the walking dead if they bring one of those three into the acryl show I will start watching it again in a heartbeat because it's just the power of what telltale games has done the relationship That they set up with lee and clementine is so good and so emotionally strong that i'm pretty sure Everybody who played it was in full-blown tears by the end of the game And watching the watching clementine struggle in season two I mean the end of season two The end of season two the very end of it For me is just as emotionally strong because it left me in tears. Just like the first one did Mm-hmm. I agree So I I just love um third season was a little bit weaker. Um, just because it had that character. I just didn't like But um moving on Wolf among us comes out in 2013 Phenomenal the world the world they build up was incredible Incredible And now it's not going to be continued. Yeah, I'm just glad though because it didn't like leave off on a cliffhanger in a sense Yeah, I'm glad like I got a full story. I got the full story and that was yeah I'll tell you what though if a studio If a studio picks up the like an entire group of these Are just sitting there. I you'd be fucking stupid not to pick them up But I I mean if there was a same works I mean I would love for them to finish the walking dead But if there is one story I want some studio to pick up and continue the story on that It's the wolf among us. I would rather someone take the ip and do something different with it though Yeah, point and click and walking that I I really hope someone picks it up I I hope yeah, I hope someone picks up all these workers. I think that's the most important thing But yeah, wolf among us the world that they create is is is special um game of thrones was unique because it took place in between a certain period of time That No, it was never touched on in the show. So I like that I didn't love it because it didn't really affect much of the world because you can't change much within the top You know what I mean? So I didn't really love that one up tails from the borderland to be honest I was disappointed and I I a huge borderlands fan and I I found it to just be fine Minecraft I'm talking about batman arkham Oh, well, no batman the tail tail series They should have my friend always says that they should have had a fee where you can order your own comment book from all your choices I'm gonna give a little shout out Carlos Padilla. You have a great idea my friend Um, but that was a really good idea. I I really liked the batman series. I really recommend it Um, which ones did you play? Did you just say play wolf among us and? Oh wolf among us walking dead and I also I also did play the the batman telltale games Not games but game and I I did think it was great But you know, I think that's actually not just a good idea for when it comes to batman If they did that for the walking dead too, I I'd order that in the heartbeat That's a and the wolf among us because wasn't the wolf among us Or was that a graphic novel? Wolf among us was always a graphic novel, but I mean graphic novel Comic book. It's all the same shit. So yeah, like what if they did that for all their major releases walking dead wolf among us and batman they just have it So you can order a comic of your choices, but it'd be it'd be cool. It would be cool for sure Yeah, that's too late now, but it's a cool idea Oh, well, but also I mean guardians of the galaxy was was actually really fun It was really fun and it was in a completely different universe and it was a ton of fun The music was there everything. It was all there. It was great. Um I mean they're back to futures are cool. They they did a lot. They did a lot for the industry that really changed A lot like I it sucks And there's one game called seven days to die that I'm very interested to know who's going to take over because they also touched on that Ah So depressing man. I I wish the best I wish the best for the studio and It was the best for all the people to get jobs Yeah, it sucks. It sucks a hundred percent I mean with all their storytelling will always be in there Yeah, it'll be early on for sure their best stuff was when they just started out But it's like I said, I hope the best for everybody who was laid off in the studio itself But I cannot see a world where the people behind telltale games all of these 255 people I can't think of a scenario where there isn't a studio that picks them up because these people are going to have jobs So like everybody is opening their doors for them Yeah, which is awesome because they they really do deserve that man. They they really deserve the love They do Telltale game Please check one out if you're a comic book fan, they got Batman. They got Guardians of the galaxy if you're I mean walking dead is a comic book Yeah, but I mean like superhero type stuff. Oh, oh god You got walking dead. You like comedy got tails from the borderlands. Um, feel like really weird stuff wolf among us You check out their older stuff Sam and max you like detective tales if you like game of thrones game of thrones is there Um, they've done waltz and grommet stuff. I mean you can go on steam and really get any this and pretty much any computer should run this It's not like the most graphically amazing game, but It's the president for sure But it's we'll miss you. Oh, we'll miss you So I think that's where we kind of get to the end of this podcast my friend This was a great discussion discussing walking phoenix as the joker Discussing kingsman love discussing maniac discussing glow and discussing video games in general And I know we're kind of ending on a shitty shitty subject. So yeah Cody, we're gonna debate Okay, we're gonna debate Okay, that's the debate. I want you to pick a guilty pleasure franchise Okay, just one And then I'll pick one too. I already have mine. So say yours when you have it Okay, I got a thing because I don't watch a lot of guilty pleasure stuff Um Now franchises in three or uh three and more is about it two three four. Okay. Well, if we're gonna talk We're gonna talk about guilty pleasure franchises. I admit I am a big fan Of the scooby-doo franchise the live action one with ready prince jr You're about to lose this debate Why wouldn't you pick what do you think? Um, let's see here knowing you Let's see. Do you know Cody? Do you know me so well? I can I'm trying to figure it out because the evil dead is definitely not guilty pleasure. They're They're all critically acclaimed Okay, so something that franchise is not critically acclaimed Okay, one of them Is it final destination? Fuck. No, dude. Those movies suck Okay, uh Friday the third. No, it's not a horror franchise. Okay, not a horror franchise. Let's see here Um, trying to look at my movie shelf. Oh, there's one more than three films. There's more than three films Oh more than 30 gosh If you don't get this i'm like gonna personally be hurt I'm trying to think because you I yeah, I know you like a lot of the fans are screaming at you The fans are screaming at you right now It has a lot of The guilty pleasure. Is it the dcu? No Okay, let me keep going. Uh, it's not Deadpool because that's awesome. It's not written. Um, It's not comic book related. Is it? No, no, okay. Good. That's okay. Good. Good. Good. All right There's more they are based on something though. They are based on something. It's just not a comic book Okay, okay, so there's like having a seizure right now in my head Dude, I swear I'm gonna punch myself in the face if I don't get this and I bet I'm gonna do that anyways because gosh Dang it I hate you. I'm just gonna say is it the oceans films No, how are those guilty pleasures? They're good except this middle one except for two and three Three was good. Shut the fuck up My god, Cody. It's the fucking Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. How do you not know this? Okay, okay, you literally you could you could have said Pirates or transformers Yep, I won fucking idiot I Transformers or pirates I was giving myself so much I was literally giving you the option. I'm like if he says pirates or transformers, I'll do either one I'm want to do pirates. I If you say transformers first, I'll do transformers. Oh my freaking I hate myself right now I hate myself that I didn't get that especially how much you teased me about it I love Pirates of the Caribbean like how do you not know that like Pirates of the Caribbean is literally one of my favorite franchises Like I love it to be honest. I don't know why it's such a bad score and rotten tomatoes All the films are good. All the films are fucking good. They're all fucking great to be honest. They're fucking all amazing Like I'm not even Bitch you don't understand shit. So listen to me listen right here and listen to everyone You know I said you said I could say either transformers or pirates You suck Cody shut up scooby-doo. Honestly the first one is great. It's fun. It's fun family featured It has that nice charisma like value to it. Oh, it's the second one. The second one's ass. It's horrible It's crap. It's not there. The music and love so it is pirates two three four No, no, no actually no because the first one was fantastic, but to be honest That's not even my favorite one After we watch him the second is a fucking masterpiece and I say Are you The action sequences by gore and ensign are beautiful. The score is stunning better than anything scooby-doo do ever fucking had Yeah, well, guess what you have a good score and good action. So be a terrible movie and can't transform The action is great. Transformers is completely different. Transformers is ass. There's that michael b Bay humor in here in this film. There's not that much humor. It's always at stakes. There's always stuff going on Yes, johnny dev has his drunkenisms where the waiter is all the rum go No, he doesn't know where all the rum went, but it doesn't matter the thing is Higher to the Caribbean has some of the best mythology in any film. Yes, you can say, okay These films shouldn't be so long. I'll agree with that the film should not be so long But the fact is the mythology is super powerful in these films The second film is a masterpiece and a lot of Aspect because you have david jones coming in as a villain with that mythology building in the action is fantastic The way that gore verbinski films the movie is great. It's not shaky cam action It's not scooby-doo. We do running down a hallway from something stupid And let me tell you about the third film outworlds and yes, it is three hours long. It's way too damn long But my god depp licks his brain It doesn't matter. It's great. It's But it works on all levels the fourth film. We don't talk about the fourth film. That's kind of like the spin-off It happened. It's johnny dev's story. It's kind of like solo a star wars story But it's just on stranger's tides So now we're gonna tie into anything else except the fifth film with the boat being small But then dead men tells no tales as fast and furious mixed with pirate ships They steal a damn vault. They carry a whole house through a whole city He slept with a woman in that safe and still got away with no money, but just the safe I love it. It has some of the best villains in any franchise some of the best actors and performances Johnny depp does scooby-doo. Let me tell you this Does scooby-doo. We do have an oscar nominated actor Let me tell you no But pirates of the caribbean was nominated for quite a few things the first one was and let me tell you The other ones were also nominated for visual effects because the visual effects are Superb they still hold up and again you can't tell me this score is not amazing for pirates of the caribbean Whatever you think about the movies the score is fantastic The score elevates each every sequence if scooby-doo we do have the score pirates of the caribbean It would have won my point Any other thing you say to me you fucking bastard Guys, we're still friends. Don't worry about it This is a fight now This is this is war. This is crap Oh, yeah, okay, okay fucking worst villain in the world fucking ass Freddie prince black beard black beard. I said the fourth one is just a spin-off that that that doesn't matter Continuity Continuity is there. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about the continuity Really, how did how did how did wil turner get cursed after he cured the curse in at world's end? Um, he had that same curse. He had to take his father's place They literally say this They literally say I understand he took his father's place, but they killed davie jones. The entire crew was cured But they like no tell me no There still has to always be someone in the davie jones mantle. He can let everyone go They literally said this on the third film fuckface They literally said this on the third film that everyone can they can all be cured But there still has to be someone boarding the flying dutchman But that means the man has to contain the kraken but the Wait, so you're telling me that even though they turned away from being crustaceans and the people That even after all of them went through they turned back into crustaceans When was the last time you watched this movie last week? Shut the fuck up. No, you didn't When was the last time you watched scooby-doo be honest be fucking honest Be fucking honest Be fucking honest right here The last time I watched scooby-doo. Let's see here Oh You Shut up. It was probably about two years ago. Hey My point proven they are five dollars on amazon for both of them. Eat my ass. I won Fuck you pirates is better. You watched pirates before scooby-doo. Fuck you. I win Well, here's the thing. I watched the first film before scooby-doo Doesn't matter Yeah, it does. No, it doesn't Because if you like scooby-doo so much you would have watched scooby-doo over pirates of the caribbean. It's okay You know what screw you because scooby-doo the best things about it is It sucks you're gonna tell me scooby-doo sucks after you just said it was good First one is the whole first one's horrible So is let's see here two three four and five of the pirates of the caribbean films Not at all Yeah Yeah Not really give me real reason why Okay First of all the scripts a mess. No, it's not. No, it's not. It is You're only you're honestly going to tell me that it's an air No, don't don't you give me it's a masterpiece. No, seriously. It really is One two and three are fantastic five really incredible Four is good You're saying take taking captain jack sparrow turning him into a main character with all of his johnny depp isms that pretty much No, I know No, he was not the main character in two and three still he was One of them, but the other two were still main characters. We're not talking about four four is fucking Four's just i'm not talking i'm not talking about four, but he's not the main character He's not the main character in the other ones And then you think he was the last time you watch these films Fucking last week because I did a marathon You did a marathon. Yeah, except the fourth one. I refused to watch that one really All the heavy-handed humor that doesn't work for me. It works for me. I fucking laughed humor subjective, man Humor subjective. It doesn't mean it's right. Okay, so it starts on what scoot because I've already trapped So you got to defend your fucking movie because i'm about to cut this off Okay, you know what here's why I love scooby-doo because both of them have a certain amount of mystery to them Both of them are fun. Both of them are summer adventures Both of them have great chemistry between every person in the cast Horror romance and comedy. What other fucking franchise has that nothing? Nothing horror romance comedy. Um, wow, I can think of a franchise that has it that you haven't mentioned Of course, we are talking about guilty pleasures here Not not actual good movies Okay, what movie though? What are you saying carries off a franchise that I I Still need to complete Yes, there's not that much romance in there though. There's literally love making empires of the caribbean Really? Yes, where that's mostly a whore bruh These Why scooby-doo better I'll be quiet. I'll be quiet Okay, good. I hope so. Okay, you got you got you got two minutes. I won't talk for two minutes And let's see if you talk about pirates Okay, fine. Why scooby-doo amazing first of all They accurately represented the characteristics of characters that we have grown up with for a long time And the chemistry between freddie pritch jr. And the entire rest of the cast is phenomenal Is the second film as good as the first one? No, but sequels rarely ever are not every film is blade runner 2049 The fact of the matter is is it goofy? Yes. Is it charming? Yes. It's there. Wait real fast Did I buy the romance between shaggy and velma? Yes. No, no, no. I'm just You said something about a sequel. Can you say that one more time for me? I didn't hear every Not every film is blade runner 2049. Oh, see perfect. So not not all the pirates have to be blade runner 2049 You know what you know what zack? Here's the fact of the matter. I don't care what anybody says I bought the romance between shaggy and velma. I bought that romance right down to the bare essentials and I thought You're done. Was there some really bad dialogue? Yes There was there was bad dialogue in the movie, but it still comes down to the fact that it's a fun set of movies that you can sit down with your friends And have a good time with I mean, it's not batman and robin. It's not the bye-bye man It's not it's not the snowman neither is pirates. Which one would you rather watch pirates or snowman? Which one would you rather watch scooby-doo or snowman? Snowman Yeah, we both know that's a lie We don't find that if that I rather watch snowman than pirates my ass. We're done with this debate You guys are going to decide who won this debate. So please comment down below and say who won kodi or zack Whoever one gets to pick the next debate fair enough Yeah, fair enough. Why not? There we go. So Thank you guys so much for watching this Watch you to monetize this as soon as it gets out If we don't get to monetize for entertainment wars, we're not going to get that monetized for this This being honest. So, uh, thank you guys so much for watching for the sweet Podcast, we really appreciate all the support. Um, you guys are seriously all the best Make sure to catch us on itunes as well. We're not doing sound quality anymore But itunes is better. So make sure to check us out over there. Um before we get going kodi where can they find you yet? All right guys, if you want to contact me on the youtube's you can find me Just search kodi curtis in the search bar. All my reviews and videos are there. I review movies video games and Starting to review audiobooks. That's a big party And I of course can be found over here on zack's channel doing stuff like the podcast like entertainment wars like Whole bunch of other projects we got coming down the lane And if you want to contact me personally, you can go to pretty much any social media twitter facebook instagram Uh star dust snap chat and either search kodi curtis or underscore kodi underscore curtis And you'll be able to find me at those outlets. You guys are all the best. Thank you so much for showing up All right, and of course guys go make sure to hit them up over there Hit me up on samershawn films as well Go follow them on facebook go follow them on twitter and you guys can check me out here So answer on films and soon on phoenix film critic society or phoenix film critic society's website um This was fun We are still friends We are we are a camera. We will shake through the camera. We are still fucking friends They'll like each other. I'm still a little bit mad at him. I know the second this Gonna be like, I'm sorry man pirates is a better film, but that's fine. That's fine We all know it and I'll probably apologize and say scooby-doo's an all right film I still think pirates is better But You should have guessed transformers. You would have won automatically. I would have just given you the win But it's up to you guys to decide So guys, thank you guys so much for watching till next time Stay sexy. Stay sweet. Stay you