 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Might pop might pop with your hosts Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews Sing it Justin That was too high that wasn't that good No, I don't have the the vocal capacity today. Yes. What I'm gonna retire How do you pull random references like that out of nowhere, dude? That's like a when was that? When did that that simpson episode even play? Probably like 90 something. Yeah, I've said this before. I'll see it again I get triggered by like stuff if I ever get on a game show where I'm allowed to call a friend Commercial jingles or cartoons. Yeah, that's probably like hey It's a well come to the game show where you need to get the wrong answers What friend would you like to call back? I'm gonna call Adam You know you're in the cash cab, you know, yeah, you call me up Welcome to the game where you take a word and make it sound like something different. Who should you call? Yes That could exist someday, you know, yeah, but your handsome. Yeah, this is true He knows this forget me. It's my life. I have a question for you Adam When did you realize? Okay, it's a serious question. All right. When did you first realize you were handsome? I Don't think I ever when your mom I don't think I ever felt that way I think that we we talk about it. We joke about all the time But I don't think I ever really felt like I was this never no not even now. Mm-hmm. You don't feel handsome No, I think that's I think that's the big joke is that I say that but in reality when I was a kid growing up I was I didn't think anything but that at all I mean I was a very I mean I was like borderline anorexic skinny Like you could see my I had my rib cage was poking out. I was so skinny and your face. I'm talking about your face I had my two front teeth were completely you got those eyes, bro It looks like you have eyeliner on well I mean if you're asking a serious if you're asking a serious question you want a serious answer No, absolutely. I didn't think that way. Oh man. Yeah, I didn't I wasn't trying to get sad. Wow Well, it's not a sad story. It's not depressing at all But I in fact, I think it builds incredible character And I'm extremely grateful for that because it forced me to actually not rely on Good looks now I think maybe people that have met bodybuilder Adam who takes a shirt off and looks all jacked and ripped in his Professional photos on stage and shit might think that I'm this self-indulged wiener and think I'm super Handsome and we joke and play about it But in all seriousness absolutely not that now the not not being or not feeling handsome is what also forced me to Build character and create confidence which then carries over and now we joke about it that I'm Handsome and I'm this and I'm that it's just that you guys are a lot uglier. That's all That was a loaded question Sal. Yeah He's trying to be funny, but he's when he's sick. He's not he's not as sharp as he normally is He's been off all morning. What the fuck? I want to see a picture of you when you were a kid. I'll tell you if you were ugly. Oh, yeah I'll be honest. I'll show you what I'll show you what I like. I'll tell you the truth Yeah, the truth. I'll tell you that the total set you free the total truth Anyway, okay. Well, we we don't we don't have you crap this out. Let's bring it back Yeah, I don't know why that has to be a crappy thing I think there's there's a lot to learn with with stuff that we don't talk about very much I don't I think that confidence can be built many many ways And I think thinking about so the way somebody look is a very superficial way to look at it And I think it's I wonder if it could be challenging for someone to be good-looking too though Absolutely can be first I think I think all the people that I think Monster hog extremely good-looking most of those people Got a lot of what they wanted when they were difficult younger because they were good-looking and It builds it both build character And so it doesn't build a great character when you're somebody who has relied on your good looks to Get all your guesses and get all the things that you've wanted in life You become dependent on that and then attached to that and we all know that's fleeting right as we get old Oh, yeah, absolutely. Anyway, well We had a great interview in this episode with Lisa bill you so she has a she's got a new YouTube channel Right or YouTube series the health theory well the impact similar to it's on it's not a new YouTube It's a new it's a new series or whatever within their impact theory page that they're that they're doing that there I mean god Tom and yeah Lisa are just dynamic content producers. Yeah, I mean people think that we produce a lot of I would argue that you look up to them Tom and Lisa pretty much shit on everybody I know out there as far as producing The amount of content that you cannot possibly consume all the information they're putting out there So what I liked about bringing Lisa on was you know her the part that the role that she plays with Tom and on the shows is this relationship theory and I think they have a very dynamic relationship. They have a very cool story and a lot of good like points and like You know advice for for couples and stuff that she throws into this episode as well I actually thought she was a psychologist until she she cleared that up when I asked that in the episode Just because they're her wealth of knowledge and experience with her and Tom and I think she shares that on the show and I think she Distills a lot of information really really well for the average person to consume and gives you some really good tips in this episode to Apply to your relationship. Yeah, so the YouTube channel's name is actually Tom bill you so it's a to M BIL Why you health theory is the show that she's hosting and she's also on Relationship theory with her husband Tom now. They both co-founded quest nutrition, but now they're on a different Mission altogether which is to just to bring to bring change through narrative, right through story So actually quite compelling there in for their their channels are very very compelling now You can find Lisa bill you on Instagram at Lisa bill you that's L is a BIL Why you? Also, I'd like to mention that this month. We are giving out free access to our forum with the enrollment of any Maps bundle now maps bundle takes two or more maps programs and puts them together Based on a particular Goal that you may have so if you want functional athletic performance, but you're also very Interested in sculpting and aesthetic physique. We have the sexy athlete bundle If you're somebody who's training and working out rip very hard But you find that your glutes just aren't responding the way they you want them to you find them to be a weak body part We have to build your butt bundle We have what other bundles do we have that are available the of course the super bundle Which is a year's worth of exercise programming that combines several maps program So you do them in succession and get your body to progress throughout the entire year Any of the bundles will give you free access to our forum, which normally you have to pay for so go check that out at mindpumpmedia.com and without any further ado Here is Lisa bill you Have you been doing the rounds now? Have you been getting on a lot of podcasts? I mean are you just so busy over there? Well with the rounds Oh God compared to you guys not at all. I like double in it But how do you like how do you like the podcasting platform in general? Yeah, to be honest? I like it One reason why I love you guys is you've got the conversation Like I really love just a chat right and I can chat for hours Yeah, I feel I feel like when you listen to a podcast if it is if it's a conversation It's more well first of all the medium of podcasting I feel like serves that better like Versus, you know network TV where they they'll condense a 40-minute interview into like soundbites, right? You want to hear the whole conversation and it's so personal and not only that But it's boring when you treat like an interview like you know question one question two Well, wouldn't you say that I mean we're really kind of it's the changing of the guard when it comes to that Right because just 10 15 years ago that was like your your very formulaic type of interviewers were the most popular Like your Bryant Gumbels and your type of people like that where now you look at you know people want more real I'd rather hear somebody that's Messes up a little bit or kind of goes all over the place that with their thoughts that but at least I know it's a real Conversation where some of the conversations that you would hear in interviews 10 15 years ago It's like am I really getting what I want am I just getting this big commercial about this person? I know Joe Rogan's he gets more listens than I think all the top news networks combined Yeah, Fox and CNN combined and his average episode is like two to four hours long. Yeah, so it's a totally different Long form to see you know You can really listen to real conversation without all these interruptions of like now cut to commercial break Yeah, exactly. It's just annoying. I actually had one interview there about a month ago And the guy had like all his questions were pre-written He sent them over and he even wanted us to title the episode so literally I've gone the phone to do the Podcast interview and he literally just ran through the questions When we first we have no idea We first started doing When we first started doing interviews, this is what would happen people would send us over like okay Well, what are you guys gonna talk about with me? And we go well fuck? I don't know We'll see where it goes when we meet you and and they're just like well, you know I could could you just give me an idea what topics and people panic sometimes and so we actually had it was Really weird for us to like provide these questions and it always happened this way too We would give them to him because they felt so scared to come on the show without having some sort of idea What we're gonna do so we give them to him that we never fucking went that Yeah, it was to please them to get them on the show that we get on the show that we talk about whatever we want We're gonna ask you what your favorite color is I actually think that's more enjoyable like I don't know where we're gonna go, but like let's have fun It's we were to and I think that's the idea or that's at least the idea that we try to Give to our audience is that listen if I'm meeting this person I'm talking to them I want you guys to hear the questions that I would really ask them You know not this like what you probably already know about them You could probably Google half the guests that we have and learn all the basic information that the average person interviews I want to dive into there like what makes you tick, you know, so we like that for sure So what is your background just quickly for the audience what you know? Tell us a little bit about your history before we get into more of the recent. Yeah, um, how far back do you want me to go? Oh, I don't know I love your accent. You're obviously from England. What part of the UK? I'm from London. Okay. Wonderful. I'm Greek so my family from Cyprus and I love the Greek people. I'm Sicilian. So we're almost very close. We're very similar very similar in cold Amazing Met Tom about 17 years ago, so I was studying filmmaking at university in London I felt like I didn't get enough experience. My friend gives me this brochure and it's like hey They've got this film course in Los Angeles called the New York Film Academy You get to go backstage at Universal Studios. You get to film stuff So all you need is you know, ten thousand dollars I can't remember how much the course was but you can go and do this like super intense course And you get to study films. I was like, this is amazing So I had to persuade my dad because I didn't obviously didn't have that money So I sat down. I was like, this is why I should do it and he's like I need a pros and a cons list Like why you should go and why you you know, like what are the benefits? So it's cut a long story short managed to persuade him come to Los Angeles day one I walk into the studio to the office and this tall handsome American man is standing in front of me Little did I know he would end up being my husband And so for a month, I was just like Staring at him from afar and he didn't give me the time of day and he was like so cocky about it But it just made me more interested in him And then yeah after our first day, we both thought like this is awesome like this summer fling I'm thinking I've got a great story to tell my friends when I go back to England that I hooked up with this like American dude He's thinking this is amazing because he just came out of a relationship with a girl when a bit crazy on him So he's like this is perfect. Legally. She has to leave the country The visa is gonna take care of that So we both went into it completely just like thinking we were gonna have some fun and within four weeks, we both completely fell for each other and I went back to England and he flew to London to see me and we ended up doing a world win romance for two years And then eventually I came to LA and we built our lives and I started off as a housewife Just think thinking, you know, I'm gonna support my husband like we have a path I'm gonna take care of bill you enterprises is what we would call it because I didn't like the phrase housewife Emotionally didn't fit with me. Sure. So I took care of everything so that he could go off and just focus on work And then he came home one day and was completely miserable with everything he was doing and he's like I know we just bought a house, but I want to start this new company with my business partners And then we want it to be a fitness and you know, how do you feel about putting the house up? basically is collateral and Was that scary? Wow. It really was scary, but I've never Felt like that was my purpose to like have a house Like I wasn't the person that was like this is gonna be my life And so I didn't really hold strong to the house Over what my husband wanted and what his vision was and I so believed in him and our future That I was like I can buy another house like if this fails because it wasn't like this is gonna work It was like if this fails who cares like we'll just get another house, babe. We'll figure it out But you feeling like that you're being supported and that you have me to back you like that to me was the most important thing Oh, that's all it's such a great thing to hear because I you know, I was just gonna ask you Was part of it just your belief in what he was doing or anything that he did was he that kind of a person to you? We're like, you know what? I believe him. Well, was he in quest when you guys first met? So when you know, so he wasn't even doing this is what they did This is how you started quest right as you put the house up for right We'd already been together for nine years. Oh shit. Okay married for like five or six years and he was very much chasing chasing entrepreneurship he found his business partners and he was like This is our way to success that we're gonna earn enough money. We're gonna then make take the money We're gonna make movies like that was the big plan. So I was like, okay, I'll support you We'll figure it out But he was miserable with the tech company with his business partners And so eventually he just came home and was like something has to change and because I'd seen he was miserable I was like as your as the partner like I'm not gonna Prioritize money home over your happiness like that's crazy. It must have been at this point I mean cuz you know when you're a partner with somebody How they feel can also influence how you feel. Did you feel a sense of like relief like good? Let's change something because you're not happy and it's making things difficult a hundred percent because he'd been so closed off with You know, maybe two or three years prior because he was so focused on making money making money making money That I had seen that sparks which often him and for me It's like it is my duty as the wife as the partner as the bill you enterprises to to help get that spark alive again And when he came home, it was absolutely scary But what I always do in life in general is like what is the worst-case scenario because if I can live with the worst-case scenario I can attack something 100% totally and so I said the worst-case scenario in this situation is losing the house But not having a roof over my head like I don't want to live on the streets And that was just to be real. I don't want to live on the streets So, okay, well, I know that's never gonna happen. I have family. We have friends The reality of that is it's never gonna happen and I don't want to starve to death to death again I have family. I know the reality is that's never gonna happen. So when my two worst-case scenarios are okay with like I know that's not gonna happen then what does a house mean nothing, right? So I definitely went all in but it wasn't like blind I support you no matter what in the regards like if I felt like it was gonna fail We would sit down and we would discuss and I would be very open about my thoughts and my perspective on Why this could potentially fail and how we protect ourselves from that? But emotionally, I'm all in with him like whatever you want emotionally like we will get there We just have to agree on the route to get there but feeling that 100% support to me is what marriage is and Yeah, I Lisa you you have a psychology background, too, don't you? Oh, you don't you just have a passion for it Okay, I just have a media background. Everything is filmmaking. I know you were saying that right now And I actually thought you actually had a psychology background because I know you guys dive into the relationship theory So I've seen some of the episodes that you guys have done. I love what you guys are putting out there Where does the passion for that come from? Think the truth is is that Tom and I have we've used psychology with each other because you actually use it in Filmmaking right understanding your audience understanding how people think and then tapping into it like what type of music Do I use if I want them to feel ex emotion or you know, what time type of camera move do we use things like that? So I've always loved psychology. Tom's always loved psychology And so when it's come to our relationship, we've just adopted that. Okay Well, how do you actually feel about this and what are you actually thinking here and People used to think we were crazy like you don't talk to your husband like that You don't you know, you just like for instance the wedding. What does it actually mean to you? Most women gave me the advice of like, it's your wedding. You do what you like and the husband kind of comes along for the ride But he was like no for him. It was like, you know a bonding of You know, these two people coming together and it was very emotional and he got a tattoo to kind of prove that he was gonna Be different after we got married then from before So it was really just going deep and having the honest conversations that my friends never had with their partners and Over time people used to say you're crazy. You're crazy. You're crazy Well, we've been together for 17 years and in my opinion have the strongest relationship We've had in this entire time and so it's really that Understanding that psychology actually does make a difference and understanding how the other person thinks makes a difference to how you're gonna act towards them Because you know for me is if you want to make someone happy, okay, what is your love language? I don't know if you guys have ever read Edward's book chapter 8 very similar to the love language book But you can actually also adopt it with them for work But it's like what is your employees language on being appreciated in the workspace? Like when they achieve something how do they hear praise right? Some people may want a pay rise other people may just want public Recognition and the same with relationship like what is that language that you use where your husband or your wife? Feels like they're loved feels like they're appreciated and so psychology really Ended up being like the tool to get me to have an amazing relationship and allowed me to you know us Was there any was there any hesitation to do a show like that? Just knowing everything that you guys have on on your plate and to kind of put yourself out there in your relationship out there Was there any hesitance to that because like I don't know if I want to do that Yeah, there was a bit because I thought if I'm gonna do this I have to be real like no BS You can't you know, I don't want to hide like The the truth behind getting a successful relationship and what it takes like I wasn't don't want to just go and Do the you know the the fun fair. I was like if I'm gonna do I have to be honest But then if I do it and I'm honest are people gonna judge me for it Yeah, you know and so I had to really overcome that and then the more I did it because Tom's really good at coaching So he's like, babe, you know just be yourself and you know He would lead the conversation and the biggest thing he ever said to me was like I'm your safety now Like if something bad happens in a conversation if I feel like it's derailing or like, you know I'll be there for you and so that just really allowed me to go. Okay, be yourself Lisa and See what comes of it and the more I did it the more people responded well to it Oh, that's excellent I know a lot of times just from my experience when I get the most wisdom from people on a particular topic It's because they have dealt with challenges on that topic on a personal level and which is because here's the thing Like if you want to learn a lot about Obviously what we're in fitness, right? So you want to learn a lot about building muscle you talk to the person who's had the most struggle Building muscle because it's it's something that they've had to work towards for years and years and years And really had to figure out same thing if you want to talk to somebody about depression The person who's had to battle and do deal with depression is the person that may probably give you some of the best results Or wisdom because they've had to on a personal level really dive deep and Examine these things What are some of the like is that true for you like what you talk a lot about relationships? And you've done and I can only imagine the challenges that a relationship would have Coming together and building a I think it was the fastest billion dollar buyer and you know Fitness supplement food company in history and I know what what it's like to build what we're building That's nowhere near the speed or size of what quests, you know did and I can see the challenges It puts in my relationships like what are some of the challenges? You guys went through is that accurate? Is that is this something that you guys are good at because you've had to work so hard at it a hundred percent And that's that we've fallen flat on our faces. We've butted heads, you know We've had disagreements and is about navigating those waters and figure out what works And the the hardest thing I think for us that we had to attack was there were different elements to our relationship So at work and so we were co-founders, but he was still technically my boss or I ran the media department at quest Um, but he was the president. So as a scale of like in any company He was my boss. So how does that work then when we're at home? Okay our relationship To me, he's the alpha male in our relationship and I'm the beta and we've sat down and we've actually established that language and understood what that means for our roles within the family But I still have let's say, um the ruling of the house, but in our relationship He has you know, like the certain things that we've established Um, and then now with impact theory. So with the show, I'm the executive producer. So I treat him like my host So the dynamic switched just completely So it's it's been a lot of fun really kind of sitting down going back to the psychology of things It's like, okay. Well, how do you feel about this situation? What role do you play? What role do I play? And I remember at work at quest one day I turned around to and I said If I don't do my job properly because I never want to be in a position because I'm a co-founder Or because you're my husband or anything like that that doesn't make me feel good. I need to bring value So if I'm not bringing value in my role as running the studio You need to tell me fire me demote me or hire someone above me. I was like, I'm giving you permission to do that Um, because I thought as a husband, that's going to be pretty hard to tell your wife like, hey, you're fired Or you're not doing a great job. I'm hiring above you and he just looked at me completely dead pan and was like, baby My goal is to provide for the family So even if you're the one getting in the way of me providing the family, I'll fire you in a heartbeat Because you're not going to get in the way of my goal Um, and so I was like, I completely respect that. Um, and yeah, same with the house. We kind of figured out, okay You know, we were budding heads Um, he is very artistic So he always wants to say like the furniture and the look and so it's like, okay Well instead of us budding heads Who owns what? Okay, the house because it feels like, you know, it's like the female wants the nest and you know I take a lot more. Um, I think I put a lot more weight to the house than he does So it's like, well, okay. Well, if we butt heads, I want the final say Because it means more to me. It's you know, it's the nesting part of me So it's like, cool So if we've ever budded heads with the color of the wallpaper or something and we can't persuade each other I get final say and he's very respectful and steps back So is it your call to make all the the the fucking four inch cable wires going through the house and yeah Is that your design? That was in fact, that was him because he's like, you never know we might need it and I'm like, it's an eyesore But again, like I'm you tried to be respectful of each other So it's like, all right I don't feel strongly leave the cables there and of course two years later the freaking cables are still there As you've seen, right? Um, so yeah, so we've just had like these agreements and that all stemmed from always budding heads, right? Budding heads in the workplace budding heads as husband and wife Butting heads. Um, and when I was saying like about the elf in the beta role It's like, okay. Well, who leads the family. It's like having a business, right? You can only have one real visionary And then other people need to okay like be around you. I think like help execute figure out But if you're both at that same level and you both have the same, um role I don't know like there's never worked for me and him So we've always tried to establish roles ahead of time. Is there something that you uh, Have have to put your foot down with tom. So I know you say you're the beta But you know with katrina and I we have a very similar relationship. We work together We've been together for seven years and if there's anything that I have a really bad habit of is it's becoming so plugged in And and disconnected from each other that I'm so myopic about work And you know, and I and I've definitely have given her that carte blanche to be able to say hey Wake the fuck up. We haven't worked on us or done anything together And she'll schedule a trip and well, it doesn't matter if we have worked with that it's being shut down because of that so She's become that in our relationship And I respect that when she does it and she respects me enough to allow me a little bit of latitude of like I know it's a lot of stress at work right now Is there something that like you have to put your foot down every once in a while and say hey wake up tom We've got to we've got to do this we got to do that Yeah, we've and I think it's fantastic that you guys have established that and I think that's where people get Caught up a lot is they don't really establish like whose role it is to do what and so because tom gets Hyper my art like he like focused nothing else exists around him when he goes into the zone And I know that about him and as his wife I want to support him but at the same time to me There are certain things that are important and he has to I don't want to say snap out of it But I need to bring that to his attention So we've had that agreement that if there are moments where I start feeling like hang on we're not connecting right now I will absolutely I'll sit him down and it's like okay grab your calendar What is your agenda look like like I'll put it on a schedule like it's a you know an appointment And because I get that I have to to allow him to you know do the business that he needs to do Um, but yeah, I'll absolutely say okay. I need two hours of your time and I want it on a friday Okay, well when can we how do we make that happen and when he does he puts his phone down He switches off. He's very respectful and he doesn't then you know Put it to me like oh, you're very needy Because I try to be very conscious about when I need his time and when I don't And so we have this great understanding that if I ring that bell, I'll put my foot down It catches his attention immediately and he's you know 100 100 percent in I think it's absolutely brilliant that you say you have established roles because I it's Nowadays that's a much more difficult for whatever reason much more difficult conversation to have because of Whether it be gender stereotypes or whatever for people to say this is my role. This is your role Doesn't matter if you're man or woman But with any successful anything let you have a team You know what your position is and your job is to execute to the best of your ability at your position If we have running backs and you know and tackles acting like quarterbacks in a game You're gonna fail you need to know what you're gonna do and you do and you need to go for it But that can be a difficult conversation to have depending on the role What were some of the roles that you guys had to discuss where that was a tough one where you guys said, okay? This is what I'm doing. This is what you're doing. Or was it easy? Um, no, definitely wasn't easy Um, a big thing I think was as I went from being a housewife to an entrepreneur. There was a big change in me because You know the expectations were different and your daily activities are different and so when I started working and I'm When we started quest so I basically started shipping bars from our living room rug And then it was like all this we've got like 10 orders today Like that's actually a lot like maybe we should think about having like a But putting them in the garage and you know, I start shipping them to the garage And so before I knew it it went from I was shipping from the living room floor I was learning how to print orders. I was doing it from the garage to then we had a you know 10 000 square foot Storage space I was hiring forklifters. I was hard, you know people that could work the forklift I was so before I knew I literally blinked and I had 40 employees underneath me just in my department alone in a shipping department I had no experience doing so I just learned as I went along Wow, how fast was that? What was that? What was the time frame for that? Probably two years two years Yeah, I went from that uh, yeah about 40 employees. Wow. It was crazy and I'm not tech savvy at all But it was one of those like you just got to learn it, you know, like get your hands dirty But those employees that especially initially we were hiring from the inner cities So they were gang members. There were people who you know had criminal records And so I had I couldn't be a pushover now. I'm five foot one with a British accent It's hard for you know Fugs to kind of take you seriously unless you really like hold your ground and that's exactly what I did I was like, all right. I'm not gonna let the company down. I'm not gonna let my husband down I've got something to prove here. So run this like a tight ship And so I don't care, you know, there was a guy that was like six foot three And tom walked in once and I was you know, kind of letting him know where he'd Messed up and I was you know, he's like, you're not scared of anyone. I was like, well, I can't be You can't show the fear And but because of that I started to harden As a person as a female started changing you as an individual Right. So Before I was a housewife. I was very Nurturing my husband comes home. Baby. Here's your dinner. Your clothes are ready for you. I've sorted this out for you Very much now he comes home and he's like, I'm tired and like don't be a pussy. Yeah But seriously, right? It became like that where it was like, you know, I don't have time to make you food You're gonna have to deal with it yourself and you know, so that type of the personality changed And we had to sit down and go over that Because in establishing he's going to be the alpha what I mean by that is if someone Breaks into the house. I want him to go and defend me. Right. That's what alpha is to me If something happens and someone's hurt. He wants me to take care of them. So that's type of thing And so when we were kind of establishing these roles and I started to harden And I started to not take care of him as much anymore Well, does that now mean that I'm not a nurturing wife? Okay. Well, if that's what he's looking for in a wife Then how do we navigate that because you can't pretend it's not happening And I don't want him to be resentful five years down the line that I'm not the wife He actually wanted and vice versa. I don't want to be resentful that he's not the husband that I actually wanted So we basically broke down all the skill sets that we had all the things we wanted to be all the things We expect from each other and then say, okay Well, what makes sense and he realized that I'd never come alive before like I had when I became an entrepreneur So for him, he was like there's this part of him that wants me to be nurturing as the wife But this other part of him that he loves that I've come alive And so he said I've had I have to accept that you're going to drop this part of your personality Because you can't be both you can't be like this hard-ass working Side-by-side daily and then be home and make sure that everything's taken care of and he's like I think I need to let go of this So we had that verbal discussion that that was something he was willing to let go of What would you say at least right now that you and tom both individually are kind of working on whether it be relationship-wise Or business with personal growth wise what what's something that you're currently working on right now Well over the last three years. I've really battled with health. Um, I've had major microbiome issues So common by the way So common lots of people. Yeah. Yeah, so common. Are you finding that because you're you're tied into the health Industry at least you were very deeply request It seems like it's happening all over the place. Yeah when it first happened I was embarrassed because I was like here we are we own one of the largest nutrition companies in the world And I can't eat our product. I literally couldn't eat it Anything with anything process anything with artificial sweeteners way protein like none of that might I just couldn't digest it anymore And so for a year I felt embarrassed. I felt badly That you know, here we are with this company and I can't talk about and no one asked me to not talk about it I just felt like in myself. I couldn't talk about it. Um And tom took it upon himself to really say like this is my problem to solve And so he's spent like the last two years. He reads ferociously reads books about health to try and help me Um, and so as individuals it's quite difficult when you're dealing with something like this because For me, I recognize it's going on and I recognize. Um, it's really affecting my hormones Right because there's certain foods I just can't eat. I can't eat consistently I always have stomach cramps and so it's affecting my hormones. I have to be aware of that So as an individual I've really been working on the last year on making sure that How my that my diet and what I eat and the pains that I'm going through do not translate over to My emotions and in an erratic way because the second that that happens It then spirals into your business and your personal life and now I become like the crazy wife That's just like crying for no reason and that's not fair on him and that's not good for our relationship So I have to understand what is going on with me and so for me. That's been a big thing is understanding what I'm going through What my emotions are, you know um What I'm really feeling and then separate that from what makes sense Like I'm feeling emotional about this like tom, you've really upset me But the truth is he hasn't actually said anything to upset me. It's my emotions that are kind of going crazy Um, so that's what I'm really dealing with as an individual and then as a couple that we're constantly communicating on the health front because he's very Strategic, okay do this do this do this who cares about the emotions doesn't matter like You have to and you know, you have to eat like this and you and for me. It's not that easy I get it and I will absolutely do it like I don't use that to stop me But I have to make sure that um I'm at least acknowledging my emotions and just as a female and for myself. I find that useful I find that a useful tool to then propel me forward But because he doesn't do that he will just like there's no emotion. It's strategic do this do that We're having to navigate Finding that understanding with each other so that he doesn't feel like I'm not actually actively working towards something that he can see that I am trying But that I may not be doing it in the way that he thinks is best There's there's a a common myth and I think it I mean originated in western health or western medicine that The emotion the emotional side is separate from the physical side when they're actually you can't separate them It's actually quite impossible. So if you were to I mean they can test this You could think of something that creates an emotion within you and we see physiological changes Within the body happen immediately and the road actually travels in both directions We can obviously cause physiological changes to your body, which will then cause Emotional changes you're talking about your gut or your microbiome We know that and this is just what we know factually But there's much more to this that we're learning and that's that the the majority of your neurotransmitters are produced by your gut I mean people will take things like SSRI drugs, which are you know Serotonin selective reuptake inhibitors which increase circulating serotonin in the brain But that's playing with the small amount of serotonin that's already in your brain The majority of it's being produced by the gut and if your gut is off We know now that it will totally affect how you feel and even how you think they've even done fmri studies with uh with women in fact where they've You know they'll they'll image the brain and then they'll give them a probiotic and they'll notice that the brain Actually changes the blood flow changes within the brain in real time after The probiotic you know is consumed so you really can't separate the two Tom comes across and I've met tom quite a few times. We love tom. Uh, we love you guys by the way And he but he is also extremely driven and when you read his post and you see what he says It's very much the You know wake up grind make it happen Don't stop push nothing can stop you And that can lead to um, uh, it can lead to You know hpa access this function it can you know You might ignore your body signals because you're so focused on pushing Um to the to the sense where your health may actually start to falter Have you guys encountered any of that or is that the struggle between the two of you where you're trying to kind of soften it And he's always pushing on that hard edge. No, he's actually really good at like yes He says grind push hard, but he has like this an internal like, um What would you call it like a rev limiter? Yeah, like he just knows okay, like this isn't serving me anymore Like working this hard actually is clouding my judgment. I can't make good decisions So I need to go get sleep. I need to rest I'm the opposite and that's actually been a big problem. So you find that you just keep going Oh, I will completely I'm like a bull in a china shop sometimes Like there's no stopping me and the problem is even when my my Digestion is screaming. What the hell are you doing? Like it's cramping because I have such a strong head I can keep going and my head doesn't communicate with my gut It doesn't communicate with my body and I've recognized that and I've recognized like okay Lisa your mind is very strong But your body actually isn't and you need to start making sure that you're addressing the communication between the two Because a big part of it is, you know, like you were saying the gut is so powerful until you recognize that Um, I think we're gonna have like made just keep going with major issues And the one thing so I've worked with a company called Viome I don't know if you guys haven't heard of them. They basically have helped me They have like an in-house test and they send it to you and you can do it at your house You take your like a stool sample Wait and measurements and all of that and you send them your information they then take um Your sample and they break it down and tell you all the micro microbes in your gut And your levels and they basically grabbed me and was like, okay Well the things that are going on with you is you have SIBO you have to deal with that You have a parasite because you don't have enough healthy bacteria to fight off the parasite It's just been living inside you Um, your gut bacteria is completely skewed. So you actually have um It was something like 6 of the amount of gut back the healthy bacteria that I need only had 6 of it So while everyone else, let's say has like 30 different variations. I had like two. Oh, wow So very little diversity. Yeah, very little. What was your diet leading up to this? Where's it? Were you eating like super keto or was it because I'm assuming they were probably talking about lactic bacillus and the bifiddo Bacterium so, um, now you're yeah It may be I'm assuming so I don't know but were you was your diet very restrictive leading up to this Yeah, and that was a problem. I had about 10 to 15 years of antibiotic abuse I guess you would call it so it was a vicious cycle I was um, I was on a restricted diet because I had been told hey fat is very caloric and it's bad for you You shouldn't eat it. Hey carbs is really bad for you. So I was on a pretty much just a protein diet Um, and I thought that's the way that you build muscle So it's much protein as you possibly can and everything else don't touch Now I was getting sick So I was taking antibiotics. I had to restrict to diet. So I wasn't replenishing my gut Perfect storm Perfect. So I'm literally I was going probably for 10 years having antibiotics. Maybe every six to eight weeks Oh my goodness. Wow. So I was getting sick and the more I was getting sick the longer it lasted So it just got to a point. Excuse me We're literally my my whole digestion just crashed and it I've been on a three year in a battle and trying to rebuild it Um, what were your symptoms because we have a lot of listeners that have gone through stuff like this and I think You get caught in the cycle and you feel like this is like normal or okay This is what I'm gonna do and Well, what were some of your symptoms so that people can listen and be like, okay I need to get this checked out. I love that you said that because I literally thought it's normal Like oh, it's normal that when I have a chocolate cake that my stomach is gonna cramp And I'm gonna be in pain for 24 hours Like I didn't even which is crazy to me that I used to think that but it's true. Like I really did think that um So it was things like that where all of a sudden you have a new type of food and it completely like it would I don't want to say paralyze me but I for 24 hours. I wasn't able to stand up for longer than five minutes I mean it got to that point where I would have one thing that was off what I would regularly eat and it would just unravel this whole like pain and um Digestion issues and inflammation and it got worse and worse. So let's say 10 years ago I would try a different like let's say it was a cheat day and I'd have a chocolate cake It's like really like upset my stomach. I'm not sure why And you know year after year after year it got from that to wow I I can't really do much today and then it got to wow I can't actually stand up today and that's when it was like, okay This isn't normal some things going on, but I didn't really look into it until one day I got the stomach flu And it that is what like completely just threw me off and was it just didn't want to go away Where are you? Yeah, I literally then couldn't eat Like I couldn't eat period So I would try to eat a bit of beef like some fatty foods wouldn't work try to have chicken Like I just I was losing weight my hair started falling out because I wasn't getting any nutrients My nails were breaking And we were both like we don't know what to do like I don't know how to fix this And so I went on a ketogenic diet because one of tom's theories was your digestion is so inflamed all the time Every time you eat it's just it's like treating it like it's um A foreign object right it's trying to get rid of it. It's autoimmune right Well, so I went to an autoimmune doctor and they said it's your autoimmune You have an autoimmune deficiency. So they wanted to give me a transfusion And they're like it means that basically they're going to plug me in and replace all my Cells in my body for healthy cells because they're like no no no this will fix your gut It's because it's your immune system that's bad. Now. The truth is now that I've realized it's the other way around My gut's bad. So my immune system is horrible And so when tom heard that he's like baby like that doesn't feel right Because it was like a six month thing gosh good. Thank god you decided that that wasn't right Because it would you could have just ended up back where you were 100% I was a week away from getting it done and tom was like no, this doesn't feel right Let's go into the r&d department of quest. Let's really sit down with the team and go over like what we can do And everyone's verdict was like, okay. Well, maybe if it's a kid you go on a ketogenic diet it will um Calm down the inflammation in your digestion, which would then allow you to eat So I went on a strict ketogenic diet and I was like even if it gives me a stomach upset I've just got to have to like swallow it like literally um, and within Three days I felt incredibly better um, and then I went into ketosis and I was very strict on a two-to-one diet for about I don't know maybe six months Really strict But the problem was I was still getting stomach upsets and I couldn't make a correlation But like between we'll hang on a minute. I'm doing everything right. My blood levels are great I would test my levels. I was still in ketosis and yet I'm still having digestion issues Well, now understanding more, um, I just didn't have the right bacteria in my gut So on a ketogenic diet, you're not eating many vegetables. You're not having a lot of like the fiber They're prebiotics they call and I needed a lot of that and I wasn't having So the second I would have an artificial sweetener or the second I would have something that was slightly different My gut wasn't prepared to fight it So I realized okay ketogenics isn't just the answer. It's only part of it. Well now what about the Emotional or mental effects from this because you talked about the physical effects of the cramping and digestive issues And by the way, this is an interesting subject for me personally because I went through a very similar story to yours But and so I also noticed looking back I didn't realize it at the time because the physical effects are so obvious, right? Like I can't keep any food down I'm losing weight. Like that's very obvious, but there were also lots of emotional like anxiety Uh, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't feel as energetic. I couldn't sleep as good. I started getting You know almost More paranoid than I normally would were you experiencing anything like that? Yeah, absolutely I'm not a crier and then all of a sudden I started crying for no reason and I was like, hmm Listen like that completely shocked Tom as well because he's no means not really an emotional crier and And so one day I remember we were at quest and he said something in a meeting and it really upset me And everybody left and afterwards I was like, you really hurt my feelings And I was getting myself all worked up and he just looked at me and he's like what is going on And I was like, but you were really rude and he's like Like no something's going on. You're not normally this emotional. I'm like, what do you mean? I'm not emotional, right? Like getting the new pushback because you're like, no, what are you talking about? Um, and I started to cry and he's like, babe, you never cry He's like, I love you so much, but this is not you and I was like, you're right Like the emotions feel so real to me because they are right like my chemicals are telling me you are upset and All right, I'm upset, but I I don't need to succumb to them and that's what I realized So that was a big thing where I was like, wow, this is like Come out of the blue didn't see it coming But as long as I'm talking about it with Tom and I would break it down on days where I'd feel like Righteous in my being upset and I'd be like, okay. I'm feeling like this. I need your Um unbiased opinion because I I know I can't trust myself, right? I know I can't trust this emotion I know I can't trust if I'm feeling anxious I my mind Understands it but my body can't get on the same page. So I need someone who is what we call sober, you know So emotionally To really let me know like am I imagining this and so I would turn to him and he was my sober companion And every time I would feel like it's a lot of trust and that's that's great And that it is a lot of trust a hundred percent because you have to make sure that they're not going to use it to their advantage Right. It's like, well, there are some times where I'm like, no, this is actually happening I think you actually were wrong here and he'd be like, but that's your emotions talking now What do you do in that case where you're like, no, it's not my emotions talking. I know when it can feel invalidating right and Though those were invalidating that's perfect word And I felt invalidated and so I had to navigate that as well because He would be like, look, you've told me that you need, you know, that you can trust me This is one of those moments and I just had to take a deep breath and go, okay I trust you and then I would reassess right once my emotions had calmed down Whether it was a few hours later or the next day I would go, okay back then when he said it was my emotions. Was it actually my emotions now that I'm in the sober moment And I'm like, yeah, that was okay. That's another tick. I can trust right So it kind of just is positive reinforcement that I could keep turning to him because he was very Good at recognizing those things. Were you still trying to maintain this this strength when You know, you're working at quest like going through all this stuff and you know amidst You know all these employees and like how did you hold yourself together through all that? Yeah, I didn't tell anyone so my husband knew A couple of people from the r&d department who were helping me But I didn't want to seem weak and like looking back now. I actually don't think that was a good strategy I think that you can really empower people by showing them when you're vulnerable And showing that you trust them to not use that vulnerability against you But at the time I was just like stay strong stay hard But again going back to kind of going from the housewife to the entrepreneur this hardened me even more Because I didn't want to be vulnerable in front of people and I didn't want people to see when I was hurting And there were days where I'd have to do a Let's say I'd have a test and I had to fast. So I'm now here fasting 24 hours. I haven't eaten. I go to work I'm getting like headed, but you're in production. You can't seem like you're sitting on the sofa like lazy so it was really tough to kind of Push through it, but I'm the type of person that I don't want to look at my weaknesses in that moment Because I worry that it could make me weaker If I focus on the positive I focus on the strength then I feel strong But I think it's really with anybody right perspective is everything. Absolutely. Lisa. What do you what? How do you define success? What do you think success is to you? Doing something you love every single day Actually, no, that's probably BS. I'm going to take that back Because the truth is I was like I I love what I do But there are days that I hate what I do, but it's in service of what the final goal, which is what I love So that's actually more accurate doing something every day that is moving you towards something that you actually love meaning Yeah, you want to have meaning. Yeah, exactly One of the things that we like so much about thomas. He he seems like you've gen like a Genuine individual seems like he's got he's brutally honest lots of integrity you come across The same way like I feel like you're just you're very honest You're gonna see and you live very honestly When you're in this situation where your health is declining and you can't consume The product that you're selling how do you rectify? Those two because it feels I could see how that can be a conflict right like okay You probably feel like an imposter. Yeah, I can this product destroys me and makes me feel terrible But we're selling it as a health product Are you ignoring that or how are you dealing with that has that rectifying? Yeah, so when this all first started happening I remember taking an instagram post and it was um, it was when we came out with the pumpkin pie bar So this is how long ago it was a few years back And I couldn't try it and so everyone was celebrating we did like this big production our biggest production You know that I was so excited about i'm proud But I still couldn't try the bar and everyone was posting about it So i'm like i'm gonna post about it So I took a photo of the bar pretending that I was eating it for breakfast And I felt so bad because like he said like I only like to be honest I think bsing people doesn't serve anyone Um doesn't set them up for success. And so I just felt really bad about myself like here. I am Not telling my employees how i'm actually feeling pretending on social media that i'm you know eating this bar when I can't even try it and I really had to Figure out what I was about and what was the most meaning to me And the biggest thing for me is about being honest and when I realized you know what you even said earlier So many people now are suffering from microbiome issues that instead of trying to pretend that everything's okay Own up to it because it's not the quest bother did it to me. It's just I can't consume it now But if I don't speak up about what's actually happening. I can't actually then help someone Right and it's like if this feels like an epidemic and if it is then What how can you make the best that sorry the worst situation the best situation and it's like okay Well if I can take all this shit that's happened with my microbiome and make Like actually make a difference to one two different people that don't have to do and go through what I've done Then it's worth it Then that way surpasses my own ego that way surpasses what people think of me about being a co-founder of quest nutrition Like I had to just become okay with that and say, you know haters will always hate and the people that I actually am helping Um, that's where I get my true joy from and so if I can help one or two people Well, that's beautiful. You know from a on a psychological perspective, uh when People make small omissions of truth or small even outblank, you know lies Those actually start to change who you become to the point where when you need to have character and stand your ground You're now weak. There's a famous study done And I think it was in stanford that they did in 1970s and actually they had to discontinue the study And I don't think they'll ever be able to do it again, but they had students Pertend to be guards and some students pretend to be prisoners. I don't know if you saw this I've heard of it But yeah And the behavior of these students started the the guards started acting You know like massages, you know and and started being very abusive and the ones who pretended to be guards To be prisoners. Excuse me allow this horrible You know treatment of themselves and started to feel differently about themselves and all started with these small Pretending, you know kind of lies they had to end the study even though all the students could have stopped At that moment and we've got you know, we see this throughout all of history where You get you know people to To not tell the truth or lie a little bit and before you know it They like stand for nothing and it can be it can poison you it can be a very difficult thing And so You know, I understand what you're talking about what you're going through and how difficult that was did That start to molt because there's a huge market for it too. Now the capitalist in me thinks Holy cow, you've got some gut issues and you've got a company that is You know worth a billion dollars. This is a huge market. There's a lot of people that might Did you there might be a huge opportunity? Did you start to think wow, maybe we can Cater to this or change the product or try this You know thing to work with you know situations like my own Um, absolutely when it came to ketogenic products because that the studies were coming out more and more about what the ketogenic diet was doing for cognition For weight loss for inflammation. It was just incredible. So behind the scenes. Yeah, we were working hard on the ketogenic products um, but To be honest like as we were doing more and more research and understanding how complex the microbiome is like how complex It's insane that right now. I don't know if any food can solve it Right, it's like my diet now consists of introducing one new ingredient A week and so it's to the point where it's like I have to try one carrot one bite of a carrot one day The second day is two bites of a carrot the third day is three bites of a tiny little carrot and so how does It was hard to kind of then say how do you connect that with a product that's going to have the magic Um solution and so I think that that is really difficult in that arena and then also quest Always took a stand from we're never going to preach right diet And you know in general has always become like a religion Where if you're like you you know, you talk badly about a vegan If you fit your macros or meat eat it like doesn't matter what your diet is if you talk to someone you say why it's not right They get defensive So it becomes like religion and the one thing very early on We will realize that quest is we can't be preachers of what people should eat We can only offer the product and let other people make the choice So, um, it was always kind of from that standpoint. Okay, we'll make the product We'll make it you know up to like the best standard we possibly can at you know A rate that we can actually afford to you know Make good quality bars because that was also important of having our own Morals and making sure that we didn't downgrade the quality of the product um But yeah, we never really were like, okay, we need to make this so that we can push it on this community Yeah, it's all I knew obviously to have made the right decision that the success speaks for for itself Changing gears now. Let's talk about what you guys are doing now because when I came to your house I don't know how long ago was that adam that was uh, about eight months about eight months ago Yeah, about eight months ago. This is when tom was doing the the launch of modius or talking about it your house Beautiful home a lot of it looks like a movie set like in your house How what is that like because I know you're the you're the the who decided to do that Home you're like, yeah, how do you deal with that? Like you're you literally live in your work For a lot of your home, right? What's that like? um It was weird at first because you're having you know Your house is full of 12 14 people on a daily basis and everyone walks into different rooms and they walk into your You know living room and your um, so it was very weird at first But I think it always came down to what's our What's our goal? What's our mission as a couple right me and tom as a family? What is that goal? Okay, it's to actually create impact on people to really show that the mindset is holding you back Okay, well, what is that going to take? Okay? It means content right as you guys know content It can reach so many people that um It's a very powerful tool. So okay, we need to be able to do content Okay Well, if his time is very valuable every second he ever spends getting in the car on myself included Is time a way that you could be creating something? Okay, so if that is taking time, how do you expedite that? Okay? Well, if we had the studio in the house, you just walk down the stairs and you're on set Okay, well, but I don't really want 30 people shooting in my house. Okay. Well, maybe we'll just be temporary um, so we literally was like, okay, it's just going to be temporary and then we realized wow as a To work towards our mission if we really believe it and we're really trying to get to that goal This is what it's going to have to take It's going to have to take building studios in your house It's going to have to take making sure that every minute of your time is accounted for and that it's not wasted And tom going back to you know, when he wanted to start quest initially. It's like I I bet on him Like I believe in him as a visionary I believe in him to lead the family and so when he has this vision and understanding of this is what it's Going to have to take I'm on board. Let's do it. It's got to kill day sex though, huh? It does some work I was going to say now you've got six cameras on you baby The weekends are fun You know that chair you're sitting on over there Let's talk about some of the sets in your home because when we were there there was one main set I think it was the impact theory set, but you you've since added more We have and again this goes to tom And I just love his crazy ideas like I'm so bought in it's like we're so kind of crazy and it's like why not? Who cares like who says that's wrong? Um, but yeah, it was like, okay We needed more sets to do we wanted to do different content And of course tom was like, okay, babe Just you know get a couple of chairs and make the set look you know make the room look nice And so again, he's a visionary. I'm the executor so I'll go out and I I started doing this design and getting like nice chairs And and I did this whole layout and I show it to him and he's like, I'm not Martha Stewart And I'm like, but what do you mean? He's like you've done like these like really fluffy chairs and like it looks like a living room But that's what you said And he's like no no no no It needs like neon lights and it needs like this and that and I'm like, okay So you want to build a set and he's like well look into it And you know to cut a long story short a month later. We've got four new sets So one that ended up being a couple of couches and a backdrop is now four sets We built four different walls so that you could angle the camera in different ways and it looked like a new set Um, which meant that my poor mother-in-law's Bedroom had to be converted. We took her bed out my sister-in-law's bedroom has been converted took her bed out So it's like literally like we each room is now being taken over one by one And then the other day someone made a joke about turning our tv room into something I was like, yeah, probably will happen Like as long as I draw the line at my bedroom like that is it just give me my bedroom Put my quaver in a fridge in my bedroom and i'm fine, you know nice tv and i'm good um But I just think like when you have a vision or when you have a um just a goal in life in general You have to really ask yourself like what is it going to take to get there? And are you actually willing to do it because I never want to turn around and say Oh, whoa poor me. Why didn't it work like it should have I can't believe I failed It's like no, I gave it my all I was all in and I think that that's kind of the attitude you have to have We had that a quest and we have that impact theory. So if that means like taking over my entire house to get to our goal then Let's do it having having that uh that attitude. What do you think is your your greatest fear? My greatest fear With that attitude specifically. Yeah, just with the I mean you've already been a part of building a a huge company Already you guys are now in the middle of building another huge company. What is your greatest fear when you look at that? I mean, I think that we could lose it all, you know, like we spend over a year not monetizing our content whatsoever So tom and I sat down and we said how much money are we willing to put towards this cause of you know Really creating impact and what does that look like? um So let's share a little bit about that because a lot of people don't know that you guys are doing that and I I do when I've talked to tom all time and That takes a lot of Balls to do that to be able to put that much money that I know you guys have invested in this business And not turn the light switch on to monetize. So talk about why you guys did that and what that looks like for you So once quest became extremely successful. It's kind of like you always think like oh I've got what I've always dreamed for and life's going to be amazing But the truth is both tom and I like what what's next kind of people? Um, and so I really have in a background of film and media like when I started building the media department I was like this is exciting. This is what I've always wanted to do. I built a studio. I'm creating content We had a Show called transformation that was really highlighting People's lives and it was really meaningful to me and it was meaningful. I think to a lot of people that watched the show um, but also that what came with that was the General stuff that you have to do to run a company. It's the commercials It's you know doing fun things to promote the product And I started realizing my heart's not in that And then that really made me assess like what am I actually working this hard for and it was to really create impact And to really affect people's lives and when I realized that my time every day was being spent less and less on that And it was being spent more and more on helping the company just get more profitable Um, which of course it needs to be and I you know love that and I love how big the company's gotten But that wasn't what was satisfying anymore And so I really had to acknowledge that and say okay. This isn't fulfilling me anymore And the same with tom like tom realized very quickly that Wow, we've bought this massive company and yet his mom and my mom are still severely overweight You can literally I tried to throw money at my mom like mom. I will like hire a chef I'll get you this food like whatever it will take. I'll get you a personal trainer And she was putting on more weight the more successful quest got and so was tom's mom So that was like a big bell that was like hang on a minute quest is great for the people that already are there mentally to Want to change their lives, but what are the people who aren't there yet? What are the people that need help switching on that light bulb in the brain because I think it has to start there Um, and so we were really assessed. Okay. Well, what are we doing this for we've You know been very fortunate with the success of the company. We've now got financial stability What do we actually want to do with that financial stuff? You know that financial side of things and it was like literally on one hand Do we go and just say fuck it? Let's go buy an island and drink margaritas our entire lives because we literally had that discussion What does that life look like And I said we were like, uh, we'd be miserable after two weeks. I'd be so bored Like I'd be counting the sand grains, you know, like I'd be so bored So it's like, okay. So what's that other thing that the right now we're not being fulfilled And it was like we're not affecting the people who need the help with the mind So we're like, well screw it. I don't need a big house. I don't need a you know a big yacht or anything It's like I'll get bored of that very quickly. So let's take that money and actually make a difference And so what does that look like and it became impact theory? So what does the monetization look like in the future because I know I mean you guys had a quarter million people on youtube I know about how much revenue that is that wouldn't even come close to paying your electric bill I I know that I mean, I know he you guys started selling shirts not that long ago Which I know what that produces that would be right exactly So you guys really aren't even though you have some monetization going on anybody who knows What it takes to build something that big that doesn't even come close to supporting the staff that you guys have So what is the plan to to to turn on the money and how to actually support the business? Yeah, so we've recently turned on youtube ads That's been one thing that we and we explained to our audience why we were doing it because again I think you just need to be very transparent and it's like We're not trying to trick anyone like the truth is we put every penny over over a year We had you know, 12 staff members and a show a main show that is you know, in my opinion extremely Well put together And that is not cheap. Let me tell you And and so after a year we're like, okay, how do we sustain this? It's not even about recouping our money back It's about how do we keep doing this for the next year? And then after we figured out how we do sustain it How do we then Do have wealth creation because I think that is important because we then want to use that wealth To put back into the community and what we're doing But I think it's important like you need the money to create the content And so if someone thinks like, oh, well, you're trying to sell shirts to make money Like are you not rich enough? It's like then you don't get what we're trying to do Of course that and if you actually knew how much money you're buying Yeah, if you've ever tried to sell a shirt And so yeah, we are looking at what that looks like this year and then what that looks like next year So we've done a few like you said selling shirts youtube ads things like that We're now putting ads on our podcast So there's a few little things that we're doing but the bigger picture we're trying to build a studio And I know we were talking earlier about the matrix and how much it's impacted people's lives and you know what that is meaning What that means to people and we realize that there's entertainment that can really affect you On a mental level right super hero movies when I went and saw Wonder Woman I felt badass like leaving that place and like it can really change your chemicals in your body And so understanding that entertainment can do that nonfiction and fiction can do that Sorry fiction can do that like okay. Well, what does that then look like if we're the disney of impact? So, you know disney, you know exactly what you're going to get You know, you can take your kids to watch it You don't have to worry in any way shape or form what it's going to be about, you know the feeling That's what we want to do with impact theory is create Fictional entertainment that you know when you come and watch our movie read our comic book watch our animation That you're going to be empowered, but it's still going to be freaking fun and entertaining and so is that the ultimate vision For how you would monetize to them, which is similar to disney Which is you build this ginormous network of people And then where the real money probably comes in is dolls and action figures Exactly the merchandise is really where they make the money. So The problem though is with the studio model right now is you put almost all your eggs in one basket, right? It's like you spend 100 million dollars on a movie and hope it hits and if it doesn't then you crumble Right and it's like we don't want to get in that situation So for us like the community is a big deal for us because we want to make sure that what we're doing is actually serving the community Versus just take rolling the dice and taking a gamble It's like you can do pieces of content and see what resonates with people You can do a comic book. You can do a short film You can do an animated series and then see how your community is responding And are they saying wow this really affected me or as they say this was a waste of my time Um, so slowly building that up in that way is really the You guys you owned it on any winners yet like any any pieces of content you guys are super excited about that's like Okay, this is going to be a long term You know a story with us. Um, yeah, so Initially the the plan was having people on our main show impact theory and then seeing Whose episodes resonate with people and then talking to them about making deals and potentially doing a fictionalized version of their story So you've got Goggins for instance, right? Then if you guys ever saw the episode of david Goggins, but that like smashed it and went viral on facebook and on youtube and And so, okay. Well, he's a great episode and as a character Um, maybe if you fictionalize him a little because I think you always have to to be in like that entertaining to kind of do the the superhero-esque character, I guess Yeah, so we were like, okay. Well, he's clearly resonated with people So what if what would he look like if he was an animated? This started to make more sense I think I was trying to wrap my brain around what your guys vision was with this company because it's it's kind of tough to wrap My brain around but yeah, so you're bringing people in you're understanding the story What resonates with your audience and then you might build some form of a story around So that's how you're using the youtube right now. So when you guys correct. Oh, that's really interesting So we want to start dabbling. Um, not sure how much i'm allowed to reveal reveal right now But we're in deals of a comic book deal with a A-list massive celebrity That has really impacted people so You know, it's our mission to try and take their story and you know, really use that in an entertaining way And they're all for it and they're super excited and tom's friends with them So um, our first step will be a comic book that we're hoping to release In probably around Three to six months. We're working on it now. Oh, wow, that's nice This is brilliant because you guys, uh, you're in uh, la but you've got the studio in your home You're producing your content for The new media which is internet and whatever and it's I think you guys are ahead of the curve But I feel like a lot of people are gonna start trying to do what you guys are doing And it's also I love the competition Good luck trying to catch up. Yeah, it's also potentially disruptive Right to an industry that is totally ingrid like it's entrenched in it. Yeah, and in the old ways of doing it Have I don't know. I don't think have you guys gotten pushback yet or or is it? Steps of the way, of course And the funny thing is when you've got like a notch under your belt like quest for us was like The ground of like no one believed that it would work Everyone told us we were crazy Everyone looked like an establishment, right? There's already been said protein bars can't be made like that You either have to eat cardboard or you have You know something that is like got hidden sugars in it and like this bar cannot exist Um, and so we went in and completely disrupt the industry because we were naive enough to say well, why can't it work? um, and I think you almost need that disruption of a um industry that has been just like just Routed for so many years in one way unchallenged Exactly and it's like the world is different now when you know, Disney was built and when all the studios were built Like there was no social media like it's like today So you have to move with the times and understanding social media and understanding That your community that you're building is your audience And you can get real time feedback Which you couldn't once upon a time when you build built a studio But it's still okay because they're still not really doing it I mean you look at the social medias of like all these studios and they're not massive No, it's a big ship. It's a big ship. It's hard to turn and People are arrogant. You don't want if you've been doing something for so long that's been working You I mean, they're the famous story of net netflix getting laughed out of the blockbuster I love that so much, right? Like had they had they had they not been so arrogant They would have seen right in front of them like we need to pivot because we're about to be screwed I just literally this is so funny. I just cancelled cable, right? So I have cable at home with all the channels and my kids watch youtube and netflix and hulu They could give a shit. What are we doing anymore? So I call them I call them up to cancel and they're trying to prevent me from cancelling Oh, it's and I'm like, why would I keep your service when you guys are more expensive and nobody cares And the guy on the line was getting offended and he's like, no and I had to show him statistics I'm like actually you guys are bleeding you lost 22 million customers last And we're going back and forth and I mean you guys you I can't think of a better example of The new guard than you guys because we've been watching what you're doing. I'm like, this is the future like it's not going to be The old guard is it's too expensive. It's too slow and it's going to get out competed And they are they're pretending like that's not going to happen. We were when we go down to la we see netflix Movie, you know posters now at the movies. I saw a commercial for a youtube movie the other day It's like, oh shit, man If you don't recognize it now, you're dead and you guys are definitely on that that cutting edge, which is exciting because I think it opens the door for It's the the barrier to enter Is lower or at least it's it's not that it's going to be like you still got to be good But the barrier to enter the market before was so high like if I wanted to get on a radio show But I mean I have a podcast and we're the top fitness podcast in the country Before this would have been impossible. Nobody would have given me the time of day or I would have had to Sell my soul to to lie and sell products. I don't believe in in order just to get an opportunity I mean, it's it's excellent. It's awesome that you guys have this and you have these people coming in who I mean, where are you looking for it? Because I know you're working with a list celebrities But where else are you looking for? Breakthroughs are you getting through your social media or um? Yeah, so an a-list isn't necessarily a must for us. It's really kind of like we want to make noise So it's you know having an a-list that helps do that. It helps the mission But I think it's important like in General to like just make sure that it all comes back to are we telling an empowering story? Because that has to be your guiding force because it's like I don't care if you're an a-list If you don't have something impactful for our community because it's the community we are serving then it doesn't matter So Yeah, really, I think social helps us establish like mainly on tom social Helps us establish what is resonating with people and what isn't You know when it gets it helps guide it helps put like the what they called, you know, these things in the bowling alleys But sometimes tom loves to remove the bumpers completely, you know, it's like that happy Midway where sometimes you need them and then sometimes you got to get rid of them What is there a story a particular story that you personally would like to see succeed or anything like you know Not really I think from a personal Level I really do Love the female empowerment empowerment movement. Yeah, you talked about wonder woman My daughter left that movie like I'd never seen her before I loved it and I just think it's amazing and I think it's um Yeah, it's just empowering for women and You know when I talk about female empowerment, I've heard other people talk where it kind of like Brings the guy down or you know tries to Diminish the guy's value and bring the the women up and I don't see female empowerment like that at all I just think it's recognizing the strength that women have within themselves And I wish I had an avenue for that when I was 11 when I was 12 where there were more women Being visible talking openly About the real stuff because I think like while I love wonder woman It is not a reality in any way shape or form like I can't use necessarily those skill sets in the Movie to actually apply to my real life. You know, how do I overcome food issues? How do I overcome insecurity as a woman like all these things that I think? um Can make you feel powerful when you watch something like wonder woman, but they don't actually touch on the everyday How do I put that into my real life? And that's why I actually love things like what you guys are doing like coming on the podcast and talking with you guys and Having the discussion like talking real to me is the one thing that sets me on fire Um speaking of your 11 and 12 year old self. I'd love to hear what you think are Your greatest attributes that you've picked up from your parents and maybe some that you would like to get rid of Hmm That picked up from my parents I'm not well. So okay. Well, here's something real My mom had eating issues growing up and I saw that and she pretended she didn't And for a long time I didn't realize what was right on normal and so my mom went from um being some I think I would call her like anorexic I mean she you know didn't eat much and I saw her wither away when she divorced my dad To then all of a sudden ballooning up and becoming overweight So this super unhealthy relationship with food growing up like it never dawned on me that I should question it It was just like this is how women eat. Yeah normal um But I think that can be is my one of my biggest blessings because I think having seen that having completely Ruined my digestion. I think because I had bad um guidelines It's put me in the position of Who I am today and how I feel about myself today and I don't think I would be here if I didn't struggle With all of that. Um, and I know um, I said this earlier and it really is from Tony Robbins Where it's like, how can you take the worst thing and make it the best? And so I can look back at all my bad eating habits and look back at how much I was destroying my body um And be um scarred by it and really like make that like embedded as an identity Or I can say this doesn't define me. I've learned so much from this I can be stronger and I'm going to use this as my strength now and so I I hope that answered your question. I guess I learned that from my mom and well, what about it What about a characteristic trait or habit that you would like to get rid of? Okay, um, that is probably I have a hard time when people Disrespect either me or other people around me Um And Tom is very much like his motto is you need to accept people for who they are like why are you always surprised by? I think that's a big thing Like if I know someone can always be somewhat cruel or mean and they are again I still get hurt and upset and I get a bit righteous in like I'm gonna tell them what I think because that's not right and he's like, but why are you surprised by it? Like the last time you saw them they did exactly the same thing You know when I get all my myself emotionally worked up over And I really would like to let go of that because I don't want to I don't think it I should let other people influence my emotions like that. Um, and so I need to Distance myself and when I see someone who is being either disrespectful Or isn't treating someone in a right way. Um, that's not you Right way of saying it if somebody is let's say they're dismissive Um, maybe they don't mean to be rude, but they're dismissive with you. I would still get annoyed by it And I would let that really affect me emotionally and it would like then kind of infect everything I was doing that day Instead of going, okay, that's them. I don't like I won't allow that to influence me I won't allow that to make me feel worse about myself Um, and yeah, I need to let go of that when you when you unpack that. Where do you think it comes from? Oh I think so when I was younger I got um picked on a lot at school. So, um You know, I had a unibrow. I had the frizzy hair I got, you know made fun of a lot and so I think I became very sensitive to how people spoke to me And how if somebody made fun of me made me feel less than and made them seem Um, like on a pedestal Um, I think I would even put them in a pedestal, right? Like wow, they're strong Like they don't care what people think, you know, even if they were being horrible um, I think I had a Yeah, like a weird view of that and so I think growing up I became sensitive to it So anytime somebody was dismissive or was rude or was inappropriate. I felt like immediately that made me feel Like less than Yeah, what's the old saying don't cast pearls before swine I I that's for when I I had the same issue where I'd want to like teach people and then like Kind of listen to what I'm saying like why am I wasting my energy and where's that coming from? It would make me feel Temporarily better, but not really I'd end up feeling worse as a result. So you you talk a lot about, you know talked about women empowerment You talked about You know what you went through as a kid being bullied and now want to speak out. Do you where do you see a lot of the challenges? Uh with women today. Is it with food? Is it with? You know body image and self image Yeah, I mean, I think it's all of the above I think social media hasn't necessarily helped but I am not looking to bash social media because I feel like it is brought more Joy to my life than negative I think you just need to know when to switch off like I do not follow people that don't make me feel good I don't follow fake people. Um, I know that about myself. So sure social media can be bad But you're the one that's controlling it and I think that's the biggest thing make you said empowerment Exactly like having the control over what you're bringing into your world is very important Um, and I just think that yeah people So I think people see unhealthy habits, right? They see people saying like look how skinny I am and I'm actually quite I get torn about showing app shots Um, because I work really hard for my abs like I bust myself You know bust my ass in the gym to get abs And so I think it can be empowering to say hey if you dedicate yourself Then you can haven't achieved this but at the same time I don't want to, um Dismiss the fact that I have health issues and that the foods that I eat and the way my digestion is now um, it's actually It's helping my abs look great, but it's not helping me get healthy So there's that like this weird like phase that I'm in now where it's like I want to empower people to say you can take control of this But also I don't like talking about necessarily my own diet because I have such a Difficult time with what I have to eat based on getting myself healthy or not um, so yeah, so I think body image food diet all of that is um Rather um difficult I think as a female But the biggest thing that I've learned is accepting the truth, right? Like I think for me at least I have a voice in my head that says oh if you do that, is that going to keep your abs? I have the voice I can't switch the voice off no matter how much I've tried no matter how much I've like told myself like Ignore like don't listen to it ignore the truth is the voice is there now. I think the empowerment is what do you do with that voice? And for me, it's been to talk to speak openly about the fact that yes, I have that voice in my head I'm only human I have that um thing that's telling me to not do this or to do this But I have the control and it is completely up to me whether I listen to the voice Whether I turn the voice down or not or whether I ignore it But I don't want to pretend anymore that that isn't there You know that body that my abs don't matter to me. Yes, my abs matter to me But I'm not going to let that dictate what I eat So I'm not pretending that it doesn't matter to me anymore Which I used to and I think a lot of women try to do like there's people that say like Oh, just love your body for how it is. That's great in theory But I'm guessing most people who do that also have that voice in their head, right? That's telling them not to eat this or not to do this or to do, you know Work out jump on the treadmill for three hours because you just had that donor. Okay. Well the voice is there Welcome the voice. Just don't listen to it. Yeah, we just I just recently Read a quote that was so powerful. It was actually in a book. I'm reading right now and it's You care for yourself like you would care for someone that you that you loved And so what does that mean? That means that doesn't mean you give yourself everything you want all the time You wouldn't do that with a kid. You wouldn't just give your kid everything they wanted You want them to be challenged. You want to sometimes say no Sometimes you say yes, and that's kind of how so when people Confused to like love yourself with the oh, I just love my body how it is type of deal No, really loving yourself is also being objective like you can look in the mirror Care about yourself and say wow, I'm I don't display good health right now And that doesn't mean you don't love yourself. It actually means the opposite. It means you do Love yourself And that's a I think it's a that's a paradigm shift For people once you make that paradigm shift things become a little bit more I guess a little bit more clear and then the other side of that is the Discussions that you have with yourself. I think sometimes When we're thinking we have that voice that says one thing And then we try to create because that's how what's what thinking is right? You got one voice and you try to create another side to argue it But sometimes we create the other side so that we know what's going to lose like we're not really It's a false Conversation it's propaganda. We know that it's a straw man like you know My abs are the super important to me and then you create this other side That's not really going to win and we know it but it puts up enough of a fight for us to be like I thought about it, but you know, so it's really that's interesting It's it's self. Uh, you're talking about truth The the biggest lies we do or or not to other people are to ourselves. Yeah, and so that's a big one I've fallen for that myself or I know what I need to do I create this false argument that I overcome myself, but I knew I would anyway It wasn't a real argument and you just end up You know doing what you were going to do anyway And I've desperately tried not to fall into that trap Because I have like these two competing goals and dreams and desires, right? One is to have like six pack abs because I've always wanted them and the other one is to get healthy And what happens when your two desires come into collision, right? So I'm I'm having to do these new foods these new diets The vio and people are really helping me eat like give a food plan And in the food plan there are foods that I would never normally like watermelon Now I freaking love watermelon, but I've always seen it as like nature's candy With you know, if you're trying to get vitamins and things like that Okay, have vegetables have other things, but watermelon is not your go wasn't hasn't been my go-to food And so that was on my list of foods that I need to eat and for a split second I hesitated and that hesitation was like, oh, this isn't going to do my physique any good now Again going back to the voice. I just welcomed it. I was like, okay, recognize that it's you hesitated But why okay? What are my competing ideas? I want six pack abs and I want to get healthy Okay. Well now I understand that What is actually my final goal if I have to choose one? Well, it's it's health 100% I will take my health over abs any day So if I've put those into conflicts and I realize, okay, this one is definitely the one that I want more The voice is coming in, you know, oh, hey, should you eat this now? I have the answer. Hell. Yes I'm going to eat this because it's serving my final goal and my final goal is health not abs So Understanding those, you know the competing ideas the two voices But knowing when you shouldn't let something control you Um has been so powerful for me. But I love that analogy though of like creating a fake voice So that you can say that No, you did it and the irony the irony of it is when you know, we talk about this all the time on the show When health is optimal the physical representation of being healthy Looks pretty pretty damn good. It usually looks pretty good Now what is the health representation of only chasing cosmetic? Many times it's terrible and then you lose both And so you actually end up in a situation where you've gotten nothing and so it's a false It's it's a false comparison that I think a lot of us have in our minds where we think It's one or the other when in reality you get a great deal of both when you focus on health And and the the irony is the side effect of that is I've I experienced it myself My health rebelled on me very similarly to how yours did and I completely Went after health and then I looked better than I ever looked before on accident You know, I remember I look in the mirror and be like this is weird And then I'm stronger in the gym than I was before I'm like what the fuck's going on here And it was it was totally paradigm shattering for me. So But yeah, I think that's a that's a conversation that needs to be had But a lot of it is in is within ourselves And I think the people that tend to have the most difficulty with that conversation Are those of us that represent health and fitness because it's our business And I think it's so important why you're being so, you know, transparent and honest about it because Yeah, I think people want everything all at once Right, they want to be the strongest the fittest the healthiest the with the biggest muscles And it's like sometimes it just doesn't work like that and you have to be honest about what takes priority And then no look down the line you can get your abs back and you know that you can get stronger But if you're trying to do both like you said, it's like you almost end up doing nothing You get neither you get neither But for me, it's like, okay Do the health first rock that out pride yourself on being the person that is going to set a goal and actually Achieving it build yourself esteem around that as well. Once I get healthy, then I can change change gears and go Okay, I know I need to keep my health here. But now how do I do this other goal that I really am striving for? Yeah, it's uh, one of my new motivations is I I've noticed very strongly and it's pretty awesome That because it used to be my motivation went was aesthetic Then it was don't let my health get bad and then my health was really good And I was able to fix that and then I'd kind of play with that a little bit and push it into my health Would rebel a little bit and then I go back and forth But now I'm realizing that when I'm healthy I am way more effective in everything else. I do like I'm a better podcast host when I'm feeling really good so it's a new level of Motivation to maintain good health and as I continue down that path I find more and more things that reinforce it versus the other way around where I feel like I'm not so I have a selfish question that I want to ask before we wrap the podcast up because I totally identify with your guys's relationship and what you guys are currently building I have a partner that been together for seven years I share a lot on the podcast like different things that we've learned as far as you know How do you take two people that are go-getters and can get buried into work? And how do you still have a very successful relationship? And we've created some habits and exercises that we do for each other Can you think of a single exercise or habit that you and tom have done that? It's been a game changer for strengthening your relationship And the first thing that comes to mind is a game called selfish desires that tom and I play And it sounds fun But and here's it's actually really simple. I made it sound like super like I can text it to you right now and it's called selfish desire And it's literally sitting down and saying okay, I'm not going to be judged. The partner's not going to judge me What do you selfishly want to do? Like don't even think about me Right if it's like hey, I want to go off with my mates for three hours and get drunk Call just be honest. Because once you're honest, there's no like Having to pander and go around each other and so it's like, okay So on a day where it's let's say a Saturday and we're like, all right What's your selfish desire and he'll say exactly what he wants to do I'll say exactly what I want to do and then we figure out how do we both get what we want So it's like, okay. He wants to play video games. All right now. I love video games And so I was like, all right cool. Let's you know, I really want to play too So we're aligned there. He wants to read I don't really want to read. It's like I want to go like do something exciting So then we'll figure out, okay Well, if you want to read and that's going to be what about two hours? I want to go out shopping. All right So what I'll do is that you know one p.m. I'll go shopping, babe You read and then when we come back we'll have lunch together and that will be our time together. And so we literally just Figure out our agendas like what we're trying to do what we want to do and then how we come together and do it Because the one thing we started to notice is one of us was always given not even just giving in it's like hang on I only get three hours of free time and now I have to do what you want to do Well, that's such a good point right there because that's what happens in a lot of relationships There tends to be one that kind of just drives or can dominate a relationship And then the other one ends up just kind of always giving in and doesn't get to ever pursue their selfish desire So I really like that and we do an exchange. It's like I want to go shopping He has no desire to shop, but I really want him to come with so I'll say all right, babe. What do you want him return? Like make a deal. All right. What do you want? I like that and so it's like so he's like, all right Well, if you do this and I'll come shop on me done great come shopping with me And he does it with such excitement and I then return the favor with such excitement Because you don't want someone that feels like they've been drug along And it's like sure he may have come shopping with me But now he's sitting there on his phone and he's not paying attention and he looks miserable It's like that's no it's not enjoyable for me. It's not enjoyable for him So we've really figured out like how to give each other the gifts of the kingdom and feel like Our lives aren't being dictated by what the other person wants like you have to be your own person What would you say you visit that like once a week or once a month? Oh, yeah, yeah every every whenever we've got date night. We always say what's your selfish desire And look sometimes one of us does give in we're like, I don't really want to do that But I can see how happy it's going to make you so yeah, let's do it And then you jump on board and you're happy with it and you know All we try to find ways to do it together like he wants to read But um, I don't really want to read the book. He's interested in so we'll go. All right Well, if this is a time where you just want to activate your brain and you know Hear stories or anything. What is the book that we can share? And so ready player one. I don't know if you guys Yeah So we started he was reading it to me And so it was like, okay Well, this is where we get to bond because I feel like he's um, I get to hear his voice which I love hearing and it feels somewhat intimate Um, he loved the book. He read it so long ago that he was like, I actually want to like read it So we just had this activity that once a week for an hour. He would just read me the book That's great. Excellent. I love the book by the way Yeah, I can't wait to watch the movie great conversation Oh my god, you guys are awesome. Thanks for coming in. Absolutely. Thank you for having me. I'm sure we'll do it again for sure I can keep going when you sit the last question. I was like No, we could probably go all day with you. I'm sure especially talks like this We share a lot of that on that and that for me has been uh, when I when we meet people in person Ironically, even though we're a health and fitness podcast Probably the most feedback that I get is when I discuss our relationship my relationship with katrina on the show a lot of people really appreciate that information And I think you guys have an incredible dynamic the two of you and I also think that When you are it building something that you're building it's I know the amount of uh dedication and sacrifice Uh emotionally physically everything that it takes to do that and I don't know there's very few people I feel like that can navigate through that and have a very successful relationship So I think that's one of the things that I look at what you guys are doing I'm I'm most impressed with that sure the business all the things are very very cool But to have a partner that you actually work together with day every single day You got a fucking production studio in your house. I mean there's a lot of challenges that come with that And I know that it has to take some Habits that you guys have installed to do that. I know it for myself that we've had to learn to do that And had a lot of success with that. So I love those were great great tips. Oh, thank you Excellent. Thank you again. Thank you guys for having me Thank you for listening to mine pump If your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance Check out our discounted rgb super bundle at mine pump media dot com The rgb super bundle includes maps anabolic Maps performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by sal adam and justin To systematically transform the way your body looks feels and performs With detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos The rgb super bundle is like having sal adam and justin as your own personal trainers But at a fraction of the price the rgb super bundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee And you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mine pump media dot com If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five star rating and review on itunes And by introducing mine pump to your friends and family We thank you for your support and until next time. This is mine pump