 Ingo, we're back. We're back at five. Well, you'll be four or five. Five minutes at five with Anu Hitto in another special report from the Convention Center. She's the host of Climate Change Beyond Outrage, and she's reporting to us from the IUCN World Conservation Congress at the Convention Center here on the seventh day of the World Conservation Congress. And she has a guest, Joe Moravec, who teaches at the law school, in PACE Law School, PACE University Law School, the Elizabeth Halb School of Law in New York City. Welcome, of course, Anu, and welcome, Joe Moravec. Thank you, Aloha, and hello, and namaskar. And here we are at the World Conservation Congress. It is day seven, and it is really actually quite exciting. But just before we launch into what happened today, I wanted to mention that a few days ago they had updated the red list, which is what IUCN is known for. And we'll talk more about that next week on ThinkTech. But one of the things about the red list, which is essentially a barometer of life, is that the giant panda was downgraded on that list, which means it's not as vulnerable as it was. So that's good news, and that shows that conservation works. Now, what's been happening since yesterday is that we've been listening to motions that have been proposed and have gone ahead and been approved, but then there were 14 motions on the floor that were being debated. And today they broke out in contact groups. Some of them have met yesterday. Today they met out in contact groups and have continued to refine the language for those motions. So, Jay, one of the things that I think you'll find very exciting is the one motion 007 is the one for elephant ivory to ban and to close domestic markets for elephant ivory. And that has been one that everybody has wanted to get into. The press was actually kicked out of there. So we were not allowed in there. That was interesting because there were three countries, Japan, Namibia, and South Africa, that would like to have it regulated rather than closed. So that was interesting. And then I sat in on a session to expand marine protected areas, essentially. And that was also quite well attended. There were probably about 50 people, 60 people in the room, and it was motion 53. Now, however, I have the students here from Pace University. Joe is here with me today, and they've been doing some really exciting work about proposing some motions. And he's going to tell you all about it right now. So, Joe. Yeah. So I represent the Center for Environmental Legal Studies, and we put forward a draft motion this week. Under rule 52, a member can present a motion which is new and urgent. And the motion seeks to push IUCN towards adopting to encouraging a marine protected area, a peace park in the South China Sea. What we're hoping for is that after the arbitration, this was decided this summer between the Philippines and China, over that disputed territory that the parties, states parties, could maybe step back from the table and recognize the inherent conservation value of the area, not just its strategic value, preserve the area and protect what is some of the world's most vital, plural resources for our oceans. And so where is that motion at this point? Well, right now we're in the midst of waiting to hear where our motion stands. On Sunday, we submitted the motion, and last night, the motions committee decided to reject our motion. They recognized that the issue is urgent, but didn't find that we presented new information. So we wrote an appeal this morning. We found out around nine o'clock this morning, the motion had been rejected, and we appealed to the steering committee. A handful of us from the center drafted an appeal really quickly and submitted mostly all law students and submitted the appeal brief at 12.59 this afternoon, one minute ahead of our 1 p.m. deadline. And we'll see where it goes from there, the steering committee has it, and we should find out sometime either tonight or early tomorrow. Exciting. So this is really, the students are really working the floor here. It's just, it's wonderful to see. So did you have any other questions at this point of us? Yes. How can I vote on these motions? Why can't I vote too? And how about you, Anu? Can you vote on these motions? Well, the members vote on the motions, and you have to be part of the delegations. There are two, there are some organizations with two members per delegation and some with one, but they all have one vote, correct? Correct. There is some difference in how many each vote each party has based on who they are. The state's parties have a little bit more than the NGOs, but everybody has one vote. Right. So I can't really vote unless I'm designated by my organization, East West Center or whichever organization. So but the students are on the floor voting. Yes. We are delegates from the Center for Environmental Legal Studies, and it's, it's our show. It's fantastic to see them working at it. Yeah, this is great, you know, international conservation work. But I did say that it was democracy in action a little too soon, because I did feel a bit peeved about that media being kicked out of the, the one, Yeah, good point. Yeah. Motion. Yeah. So democracy in action, but you know, a little bit not transparent sometimes. Well, tell us what else happened on day number seven and what's going to happen on day number eight? So day number eight is actually going to be field trips. We're actually going to get out into the into the wilds of Oahu and see what we can find. And so everyone's taking a break tomorrow. And that's why we won't be here tomorrow, but we will be back on Friday when there will be more contact groups or the contact groups, which are where they're discussing these motions and the language for each of these motions. Those are all going through tonight, late into the night, actually, probably. And then they'll go to field trips tomorrow. And then they'll be doing some more contact groups on Friday and then voting. Yes. Actually, we'll be voting on three motions this afternoon that have already worked their way through the contact groups. I just got a message a few minutes ago that we vote on those late in this afternoon. I don't know which motions. But as you see, some of these are really quick differences. And once they get worked out, we put them up on the floor pretty quickly. So yeah. So some of them have just a few people in there and it just goes right through. And the others like the closure of domestic markets for elephant ivory, that's very contentious. And so tons of action. Tons of action. Tons of action. Please thank Joe Moravec for us. Joe Moravec is a student, I think, at the School of Law, Elizabeth Hobb School of Law at Pace University in New York City. And that's Anna Hiddle reporting to us. She is the host of climate change beyond outrage here on Think Tech. And she gives these special reports to us from the Convention Center, from the World Conservation Congress, every day she can here on the seventh day. We'll hear again, I guess, on the ninth day from her. Thank you so much, Anna. Thank you. And people can also follow us on Twitter. Thank you very much. Aloha. Thank you. Aloha. Bye-bye.