 Fel poblywch arlaen, rhai pobl yn dda, fel ydyn nhw'n gweithio ar y dyfodol yn Ysgriffaeth Rhaid-dwylo, yn yn y byd 17 august 10 o'r fath o gamfod. Mae'n amlwch yn gweld i'n meddwl. Yn fy wneud 1, wrth i'r ffraabsence, ddim yn gallu i mwyaf. Yn i ddweud, mae hi'n ffraabsence aeth o'r gefnogi. Mae hi i mwyaf yw amlwch, os mwyaf, wrth i'n meddwl. Dyna'n dda. Cymru yn ystod, Jair, ydy un o'r Vik? Thank you, Chair. I'm taking it today. Thanks, crack on. Thank you, Chair. Vik is on some well deserved leave, so I'll be presenting today. If you can just give me a shout if you can't hear me or if I'm not talking loud enough, that'd be great. OK, so we start with the first case, which is Foxton Football Club. The project there is Replacement Goalposts. The club are affiliates to Cambridge FFA, a local grass roots football club, and they've currently got 50 members. The club is an integral part of the Foxton community and is open to all ages. It's good for physical well-being and mental health. They intend to purchase mobile goalposts with 360 wheels. This allowed them to store the goalposts in a locked compound between matches. At the moment they're stored sort of on the side of the field and the parish council has asked them to find a solution to this. So the solution they found is these goalposts on wheels. The total project costs is £4,200. The football foundation has contributed £1440. The parish council have contributed £1380 and they're requesting £1,000 to fund the gap. They'll also be £1380 left to find, which they've said they're quite happy to do by fundraising efforts. And we also signposted them towards some other grants. Councillor Roberts emailed back in support of the project and as you've heard the parish council have helped fund this project too. Thank you. Members, Councillor Henry. Thank you chair. It looks like a good proposal to me. It's good to see that they're helping themselves, the parish council are helping them, football foundation. So I'm inclined to say yay. Councillor Dalton. Yes, chair. I'm a county council for the area, not district councillor, but they are a very active local football club, so I would support. I'm very happy. I just thought the way it was written that they got 360 wheels was quite amusing. It's a very mobile goal. A really cool move in the goalposts. Okay, on that basis then we'll accept that as a proof here. Thank you very much. Thanks Joe. Okay, on to number two, which is Gamlingay Schools Out Club. So this is a community group in Gamlingay. The project is around buying some gym slash floor mats for their summer club. Their summer club is a retrospective application because as you can remember we didn't meet last month. So there's a couple of applications here that we would have taken to the last committee meeting, but we have to bring to this one because we didn't meet. The Gamlingay Schools Out Club is a not-for-profit charity who hosts the children's summer club at the primary school. It's got six committee members and they basically open for one week during the summer holidays to provide a kind of play space for the kids there. The kids who join are between five and 15 and are either residents in Gamlingay for children who attends the school. With only two weeks' notice before they were due to open, they were advised that they no longer had access to one of the school halls. So they had to find an area to compensate for this because quite a lot of their activities are based on floor play activities. They get about 70 trillion per day and 30 adult teenage volunteers across the week. They normally charge £5 a session, but this year they reduced it to £3 just because of the financial burden that everyone's felt this year from COVID. The area they found was an outdoor space, so they had to purchase some of those jigsaw kind of soft bone tiles to allow the kids to play on there comfortably. The mats will be useful for many years to come, so it's leaving a legacy there. They weren't budgeted for, and obviously for such a small group only active one week in a year, they had to go and fund them themselves. So the total project cost is £350, and that's basically on mats, three different types of mats. Bridget Smith has been approached and she supports the project as well. The parish council haven't supported the project. Thank you. Comments? Colleagues? Did I hear Mr Clark correctly that the parish council have not supported this? You did. They haven't given them any money. We didn't actually get a response in time from the parish council, I'm afraid, so we don't. We just know what the group said to us, and that was that the parish council hadn't given them any money, wherever they'd pushed them particularly hard on it or not. I think it was a short notice thing that they just sorted out. Probably shouldn't read too much into it then, Cheryl. It does seem to me that they say they take children from outside the area. It's a relatively small amount of money that they're asking for, and it does provide a short notice when they've got all these children coming. It certainly filled a gap, and it was better than saying, no, thank you very much, you'll all have to cancel. So I would support it. Similarly to Councillor Ellington, the whole point here is that they had two weeks' notice, and so I support it because they could have just cancelled the whole thing and we wouldn't have had a submission, but it went ahead and so I think it would be good for us to support it. I agree with everything that's been said, and I think for the families who were concerned, it would have been really important to have that, really the facility during the school holidays really important both for the children who benefit from it and for the families. I think we should support this. That just leaves me. That's an R-C-S in Chaps. Thanks. James a yes. Thank you. The other thought I had on that one to benefit the community could be to suggest that they allow the maps to be used by the groups throughout the year while they're not using them. Do you want me to suggest that as part of the grant? I'll just think it out loud, and we're starting to go back into a bit of a spike, aren't we, for the moment, with regards to COVID, and I wonder if we'll be prudent that when the time is right, perhaps if I can say that. Okay, next one is Hardwick Preschool. They're a registered charity, and the grant is for improvements to community buildings and spaces. Hardwick Preschool is a community-based preschool. They meet in a purpose-built mobile classroom with an enclosed outdoor area in the grounds of Hardwick Community Primary School. The group are planning to improve their children's play area by having a pagola fitted to cover the children's digging area. There's no covered area in the playground at the moment, and this will allow the kids to play outside during the rain in the digging area. The project doesn't benefit the wider community, but it will allow the children that attend the preschool to use the outside area promoting active lifestyle. Under the canopy, they're saying they're going to develop new skills in the sandpit mud kitchen area. There's also many children that attend for many years at the preschool. When they hold events at the preschool, the children will be able to have shade and shelter. The cost of the pagola and digging the bed out is 2,400. They've already started plans for fundraisers, and they raised £1,000 last year, so they're looking to do that again this year in a few smaller events, COVID allowing. The total project cost is the 2,460. They've applied for 1,000, and they think they can fundraise for the rest. Hadn't received a response from Grenville, I don't believe. But the Paris Council supports the project in principle, and they have supported this group in the past financially. And that's it, thank you. Bill. The pandemic, the coronavirus, we're encouraging people to be active outside. This seems to be a bit of a no-brainer really. That's my view. Thank you. Claire. I can't remember which other preschools set up like this we've supported in the past. I think we have supported them, haven't we? Melbourne. I was just a bit worried about the project doesn't directly benefit the wider community. But I suppose that depends on how you're defining the wider community. It affects the families, and that's part of the wider community. I think we should support this, and the fact that the Paris Council has supported them in the past, I think, is good. Although I do wonder how they're going to raise the rest of the money, because they haven't mentioned that. Can I jump in there, Jeremy? I think I did say that they had a Santa Slade fundraising event that they did last year that raised £2,000, so I plan to repeat that this year to get £1,000 raised plus another few bits. So they have got a plan in place for that. Thank you, Jeremy. I'm in agreement with myself for this, unless Pete, you're not. One of the things they do say about the preschool is it's critical for behaviours and what have you at the primary, and they set the standard as they go through, so that would be quite... There's the benefit of nothing else. So is everybody in agreement that we go with this, yeah? Yep. That's unanimous, Joe. Thank you, chair. OK. Next one is Haarston Residence Group. They're a resident association slash community group. The project type is a biannual litter pick. The group was established in 2018, and they aim to protect and enhance the heritage and character of Haarston and enable campaigns on village issues. The group hold a biannual village litter pick. These benefit the whole community providing a cleaner and safer environment for all who live and use the village. At the March 2021 litter pick, 60 residents attended. Unfortunately, South Cams were only able to supply 30 litter pickers due to high demand. The group have therefore decided to purchase 30 additional litter pickers. The total, including VAT, is 441.36. The group have secured a grant from the South Cams community safety partnership for the purchase of Haarston's vests for around about 150. So that leaves their shortfall of 441.36, which is exactly what they applied for. The group tell us they've got district councillor support, and they haven't requested any financial support from the parish council because the parish council have helped them on previous projects. Thank you. Thanks, Jay. It does seem to me, I'm surprised that South Cams have been able to supply them with enough litter pickers, the actual tool rather than the individuals, and therefore we're really helping ourselves by buying these, and I think we should do it. Am I looking at nods? Thank you very much. Thank you. Sorry, Chairman, before we go on, could I just ask before we go on? I agree with Councilor Eileen Chinn, but could we not send a message to shared waste to say maybe they need to buy more tools if this is going to come? I added a note ready about that there. Thank you. They should have spoken to Arnie. Arnie the magician we called him. I mean, if they sometimes come across times when they don't have enough litter pickers, then they need to buy more litter pickers, I think. The next one is... Sorry, Jay, just one final comment. I think this should be congratulated on getting 60 residents to come out. I'm ashamed to say in my local villages we haven't had so many, but they're a dedicated function there to be admired. I'll pass on the congratulations from the committee whilst we grant them. Thank you. The next case is Meldrith Bowls Club. They're a community group. It's a non-for-profit bowling club offering bowling to its 38 members and the local community within surrounding villages. They have an ongoing recruitment campaign, so they're actively trying to seek more members. They're putting publications and local magazines to encourage members to join and participate. Normally the group raises funds through organised events, but it hasn't been possible during the pandemic. They need to upgrade the irrigation system for the bowl screen. The sprinkler heads aren't working at the moment, basically, and the green isn't in a condition it should be in. The system is several years old and some of the area is now damaged because the water sprayers aren't covering the whole area. If they don't replace these soon, the whole green could be unplayable. The costs of the upgraded sprinkler system is 1,112. In order to get the project up and running, the group will supplement the shortfall from some small reserves that they've got that will keep up the fundraising, but obviously more difficult during COVID. The total applied for is £1,000. The total project cost is 1,112. The group advise us that they've got support from Councillor Hart. The parish council has provided them with funding towards pathway lighting, and they're also asking the parish council for support for major roofing repairs on their building there. Thank you. Before I go to the members, just to be clear for you guys, I also support this probably the reason why I wasn't asked this because I'm sitting here. I've been invited here actually as part of the community a few years back when they did their open days, and they do this all for free to encourage families, children to come in and do bowling. It's really rather nice actually. It's a very small, private kind of lovely club actually. They really do well. So I'll be very supportive of this anyway. Up into the floor, yeah. Bill. Thank you chair. It's a relatively small sum if it's going to save the green, if the green becomes unplayable. That's the end of the club. So I'm fully supportive. I think Bowls is one of those activities which young and old can all get involved in, and we should be encouraging people to get out there and play. So I'm all for it. Clare and Pete, you're okay with that? Yep, that's a yes from us then, Jake. Thank you chair. Down to the next one. The North Stoke community wing, friends of the wing, they're hoping to set up a community cafe. It's a community group, and this funding is for start-up costs. The friends of the wing exist to promote the use of the community space in the community wing building as a hub for community cohesion and make the space more hospitable for users. The group wish to set up a non-for-profit community cafe to be run by volunteers in the cafe space within the wing. It's recognised there is a need to provide spaces for social contact to help combat isolation and loneliness post COVID. So they're aiming to provide a suitable environment to get residents in and also to have activities there and also promote activities already happening at the wing to these people as they use the cafe. Products will be locally sourced to support local businesses. Prices will be kept as low as possible to simply cover costs aiming to make the project accessible and self-sustaining. They hope to have good quality hot and cold drinks and simple pre-prepared snack type items. Initially, it will run one morning a week. We are going to slowly increase this as demand and volunteers allow. Cafe will be advertised widely. The group did provide a detailed breakdown of all of the costs which equal £1368 which includes equipment like a card reader, a blackboard, white goods like freezers, cups and jugs and things like that. Funds will be raised by first personal donations from friends of the wing and the group have also asked the Newtown Council clerk for financial support. We did inquire again to the clerk if any funds were available but we didn't get a response from the clerk at the end so we don't have any sort of promise from them. Councillor John Johnson supports this project wholeheartedly. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Jason. I run a similar sort of event like this in my village and one of the things that I would suggest is that they get in touch with cycling groups because you find that they come... You need to be warned that they're coming because there's sometimes 12 or 20 but they can really bring something different to a group and increase the social interactions and also increase the profitability of the whole job. I think this is an excellent idea in a place like North Stale where there's a whole load of people who've never all moving into a new environment and they need to get to know each other so I'm very supportive of something like this. It would be nice however for the parish council to make a contribution. I agree with Councillor Wellington and it's a good point about the cyclist. You see them everywhere, don't you? Lycra clad people with coffee in hand. I would say that North Stale there's a relatively small number of residents there now at the moment, obviously it's building but they really are working hard to build a community and we should be doing everything we can to support them so fully support this. Thank you, Claire. Yeah, echo what everyone else has said just a question about the sustainability of it I don't know if you can give us any idea on that, Jay and they say friends of the wing and the group do we know how many people are in the group and whether it really is sustainable beyond a few willing volunteers who once started off, that's my first point. My second point really is to echo what Bill said and say that we should go to the parish council and ask them if they could make up the shortfall. Thanks, Claire. I totally agree. Sustainability wise because we want the wind to succeed and we've got our own Southcown community development officers also assisting on the project and I think we'll make sure that the project is self-sustaining and make sure that the community has access to everything they need to make sure it's a success so I can only just guarantee we're going to do everything we can to help make it a success. Hopefully that's of some reassurance. Pete, I'm assuming that we have agreement yet? Let's say yes from us. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Jay. Next one, I was going to recommend that we defer. I will just go through it quickly and then would like your decision, please. It's Shelford Feast. They're a community group. It's a retrospective application. They've already had the event because it couldn't be taken to committee last month. Basically, owing to COVID-19, the group postponed the Shelford Feast in 2020 and they proposed to run a much reduced one-day event on the 10th of July 2021. It was a free to enter afternoon and evening with food and drink and live music. Brings the community together. Obviously just a one-day event this year rather than the normal week-long program which I hope to resume from next year. They were looking for funding to help with start-up costs. They like to put it on as a free event and the sales of food and drink go towards the set-up costs and hopefully recover all costs that way. I think the issue is that we went back to them and asked them how did the event go and how much money did you make and do you still require this grant to come back to us? We sent an email reminder three days ago and they still haven't come back to us. The thoughts from our team were, well, if they made a profit then they wouldn't need the grant. I was thinking it might be sensible to defer this until we had the answer on how much a shortfall they actually have. Thank you, Jay. I completely agree but I can see John's got his hand up. John. Thank you, Jay. Jay is exactly the concerns that I have about this. Also, as this feast has been going for quite a few years actually I couldn't get my head round why they needed money for start-up costs because it's not actually something new and he's been set up. The other thing that I don't know what we've had a set of accounts from them but the other thing that worried me a bit was the reference to having reserves and again, you know, I'm a bit concerned that we are funding them to fund other people rather than us funding those people direct and us being able to then decide that funding meets our policy and criteria. So this whole thing is a bit... I need a lot more information on this and as Jay says, if this did go ahead, how much did it actually cost them and it may be that they covered their costs. So, yeah. That's a defer, then. Yep. Thank you. I will get the answers to those questions and bring it back for the decision of the next meeting. OK, before you go on Jay, Pete. Yeah, just quickly. I've got no problem with the defer or I think what John mentions is correct. It does attract a huge number of people and if they can get back to a week-long event that would be fantastic for next year. And I suspect that they've probably more or less broken even this year which is probably why they haven't come back to Jay. But anyway, let's see. I think the clue in asking for money is when you're asked a question by the person giving the money, you answer the question. So they've had at least two bites of that, Jerry. So it's deferred until they read their email and answer, perhaps. So, yeah. Leave that with you then, Jay. Thank you. OK, two left. Next one is Wilbram Memorial Hall and Recreation Ground Trustees. It's a charity. The project type is Equipment Purchase. The group own, provide and manage the Memorial Hall, the Recreation Ground and Sports Facilities for Great and Middle Wilbram. They provide facilities for 10-22 groups, sports teams and a social club. They host regular events such as church fairs and entertainment. The name of the group is to encourage participation and cohesion. There's quite a lack of public transport in the village. It's quite isolated. So they feel it's an important part of their village life. The trust caters for all residents of the Wilbrams and for visitors to the community. The organisation started in 1949 and they have a very old and inadequate tennis table which is made available to all the hall users and the table tennis club. The table is barely usable. They've got 14 members who come and provide their own nets, balls and bats. Age ranges from teenagers to people in their 80s. So it's a very inclusive club. The hall just purchased two brand new tables from their own reserves, which is all they could get and they're looking for grant funding for one table. The club is gradually increasing in membership as COVID restrictions ease. The cost of the table is £999.99. We received a quote for this exact amount from the table tennis company. So they're looking to basically replace their third inadequate table with a nice new table so that all members of the club have a decent table to play on. Thank you. I can vouch for everything that's there. It's very active and there are certainly members of all ages. I was at a meeting in a small meeting room down there on Tuesday night and they were all there playing away. I know it's very popular in both villages and also the Memorial Hall Trust has a lot of fundraising for all their activities. It's a very active group so I would support this wholeheartedly. Yes, Bill, Peter. I think yes from us, please, Jake. Thank you. The last one is for Arthur Rank Hospice in Michelfords. It's a charity. Obviously it benefits the residents of the whole of South Gems because people that go there are from all our villages. This initially came in as a zero-carbon grant but it felt that it would sit better with community chest. Arthur Rank Hospice, as you probably know, supports people living in Cambridge here with advanced serious illnesses or life-limiting conditions and those in need of end-of-life care. They care for more than 4,000 patients each year. The project is the Arthur Rank Hospice Charity Nature Project. The new hospice site opened in November 2016 and was developed on a piece of unused scrubland. They've got a garden area of grasses but it has little environmental value or aesthetic value at the moment. There's one lone magnolia tree there. The area is backed by a hedge. The charity would like to create an area of the hospice garden dedicated to scent and introducing plants whose oils could be used in aromatherachy. The garden would be a place of sanctuary and peace for patients and their families and volunteers. The area of garden is presently dormant and the project would open up the space and encourage people to use it. The charity has lots of volunteers and they're working with the men's shed local project on this project. There are a team of 12 gardeners who are on site weekly to maintain the hospice gardens in conjunction with their facilities team. They're asking for a pergola and raised wooden beds and a wooden bench and some plants and some seeds and some mulch, basically adding up to £1313. They can reclaim the VAT so that would only... because the whole project is 1094 and they're applying for the £4000 and now funds the shortfall. Thank you. Thank you, Jay. I think the hospices are very close to my heart, actually, so this has my almost immediate support all but about you guys, Peter. I mean, it sounds like a wonderful project, so... Agree. The area that they describe it, I remember when it opened and it's a very accurate description of the area and with the money that we would be able to provide, it would make a big difference to that garden area. Thank you. Thank you very much for that work on that with the team and thank you as well. Thank you, Jay. That's the last one for the community's chest grants today. Thank you. Okeydoke. Moving on into agenda item number five, which is the Service Support Grant Annual Reports. That's page 21 to 34 of your agenda. Am I writing thinking that to Leslie? Good morning. Good morning, Leslie. Morning, everybody. Over to you, please. Okeydoke. So I'm presenting two reports to committee this morning. The first one is the annual performance reviews for the current recipients of the Voluntary Sector Service Support Grants. And we're reviewing year two of their three-year agreements. But please note that they have spent the last 18 months of the two years, those first two years, operating within exceptional and unforeseen circumstances. And so I think it's worth noting and you may have read that some have struggled to reach those original targets that we did set. The second report reviews the agreements following the workshop that we held earlier this month. And that was really to review the existing agreements against corporate objectives. And this is in advance of the, as the agreements are in their final year. So we're set to begin new agreements from April of next year. So we really wanted to make sure that they still aligned to the corporate objectives. And if there were any changes, then now will be the time to review them. So from that workshop before issues emerged, the first one was that the, is it the right time really to be making new agreements based on the ongoing economic uncertainty? So is it really fair to RCs organisations to make forecasts for performance based on the unknown that we're in at the moment? It was also put forward to introduce a new theme for organisations and groups who work specifically with children and young people. And this was in recognition that this demographic have particularly suffered throughout the pandemic in terms of education and mental health and lots of social connections. The third issue was to review the continued funding of the Farmland Museum. And the fourth was to review the budgets going forward given that there has been no increase other than those inflationary uplifts and that's been for many years. But also in light of the fact that the organisation or the council are also trying to keep a tab on spending, I guess, in the future. So over to you, chair. Thank you, Leslie. I'm looking at John here just for a second where we've done the workshops on the ourselves and the discussions that we had here. Can I hear from you, John, or rather could we hear from you first if you have any thoughts yourself to help guide us? I think I probably know which way we're all thinking and going, but as the head of finance it would be pretty good from you. Okay, well, obviously we had, as the report says, Bill, Leslie and I met after the workshop. And one of the concerns I had and it's sort of supported by the reports that we've had in agenda item five. And that is that it's been extremely difficult for our existing, the organisations that we support currently to deliver. Some of them have, some of them have because circumstances have meant that, for example, the citizens advice, they've obviously been extremely busy in the last 18 months. But there are other organisations that because the places have been closed, particularly museums and art galleries, et cetera, haven't been able to meet their targets. And I felt it was terribly unfair, therefore, for us to ask them to come forward with a business case going forward for the next three years based on experience that's very unusual and given us a situation where we would have to, in a lot of cases, not have the evidence to support their business case and have to make a judgment of which I felt wasn't fair on them or on us. So my view was that we should delay making a judgment on the renewal of the contracts for a year. So, in effect, extending the current contracts for a year, thereby enabling those groups that want to re-bid or new groups who want to come forward, give them the opportunity of at least six months or so of perhaps post-pandemic normality to enable them to actually deliver us their business cases. So my view on this is that we should postpone this for a year and extend the current agreements for a year to cover the next 12 months. But in terms of the children, I fully support the idea that we should be looking at organisations that support children and young people. But that then would give us the opportunity of having maybe some trials in the forthcoming year to get to understand the situation so that we know better what we're looking for and then just sort of going straight into it for a three-year period. So that would also give them and us an opportunity of that extra year would give us the opportunity to more understand what we actually want to support for young children and for children and young people. So my view is that we delay this a year as to the other questions you're asked. Decisions. I fully take on board what's been said about the fact that the pot of money that's been made available hasn't actually kept pace with inflation at all. The pot of money that we've got for these organisations hasn't been increased in line with inflation. And I think therefore we need to also accept that we probably would need to increase the funding. But again, we don't really know, and this is why I think it's useful to have the extra year, we don't actually know how that has impacted on these organisations, for example, whether or not they have been able to make savings to enable them to actually absorb the increase in inflation over that period. So we need to better understand their positions as well. So again, I think this moratorium for a year would give us the opportunity again to look at the costs, the increasing costs that these organisations have experienced over the last three years or so, to enable us then to review the budget for them with some evidence. And then finally on the Farmland Museum, there's come to a point where we have to decide is this a going concern? Can it stand on its own two feet? If it can't, then what support are we going to give it? Or if it can, then should we continue to support it? And again, I think the extra year would give us the opportunity or the officers the opportunity to work with the Farmland Museum to identify what should happen to our support going forward. So it's all in all. My view is that delaying things by a year would actually give us opportunities to enable us to properly review and for the organisations to be able to present to us business plans that are rooted in some evidence of normality, whereas at the moment we can see from the reports that some have community transport, for example. The numbers have definitely gone down, not necessarily because they're doing a bad job, but people have stopped travelling because of the pandemic. And is that going to continue? I mean, our people's shopping habits changed, for example. We don't know. So again, I think it gives everyone the opportunity to reassess their situation and for us to have a better view of what we should do going forward. Thank you, John. That's extremely comprehensive. Members, I think Bill was first and clear, if you don't mind. Thank you. I entirely agree with John on this, Chairman. There is a slight risk that we need to be really careful how the message is put to the various organisations that we have here, for them to fully understand that this is not in any way a negative thing. We're not saying, oh, we're doubting them. What we're saying is we can't really assess them properly under the current circumstances with the pandemic. So this needs to be explained to them very carefully and indeed to anybody who's observing this, that this is actually a positive thing and not a negative thing. Clare. Yes, I agree with what John has just said. I'm very glad of the recognition that the funds have been, haven't been increased in line with inflation, the recognition of that and that we want to do something about that. I want to speak up for the Farmland Museum. We could provide more support for cultural activities. We've just been looking at the community chest and most of what we've supported as sports related. We haven't supported much in the way of arts or music, so I hope that we can give those more prominence in the future. In terms of the Farmland Museum, before lockdown they put a lot of effort into relaunching themselves, bringing in new people and then of course have been badly hit by the closure during the pandemic. So I hope that we can keep on in there with them. They do good work and of course in the not too distant future they're going to benefit from all the changes in Water Beach and it will be much easier to actually get to the museum than it is at the moment. It's actually quite difficult. It's a very difficult turning off the A10 and it's very easy to drive past it. So I want to support them and I hope that we will continue to support them. Thank you. I'd like to add my support to Clare's comments when we had the Farmland Museum here. I think that pre-pandemic they were actually doing quite well with their change of business plan and then like everybody else they got clobbered. So yeah, okay, Peter. Just a couple of comments. To John's point in comparing the numbers, every set of numbers I looked at I said well actually we can't compare anything because of the impact of the pandemic. So I think that the logic to carry forward is correct. I think for the Farmland Museum as Clare has mentioned there will be, the Farmland Museum should have a renaissance as Water Beach has developed because it will basically have a huge captive audience which it doesn't have at the moment. It's very easy to drive past it and kind of forget it's there whereas it's actually a nice location. So I think we should hang on in there. Thank you. I failed to declare an interest that I am trustee of Clare Network but having said that I entirely agree with the idea of leaving it for another year but I would ask that each of these organisations really needs to totally review their business plan, what they are seeking to achieve and what they are seeking to achieve. Also, I would want to see some breakdown of how the money was spent during the pandemic in order to just get the feel that they are business minded and haven't in some way it's the wrong word to say squandered it but it's the wrong word to say squandered it but just because we couldn't spend it will spend it on something else. All right, I agree. Okay, Leslie and John. So they are our comments from the floor and they essentially agree with everything you both said in our way and that's essentially then it's the extension or deferment whichever you wish to call it for the year. I'm assuming, Leslie, that you and your colleagues will come back with an idea of how we're going to survey and what have you and get that information from people and perhaps if you'll be willing with regards to how Sue has just said about perhaps a finer detail of how things were spent last year and what have you and what have you. So we can get an idea actually of how people behaved because that's actually human behaviour again so thank you. I think Claire would like to come back in. Yes, so on one project in particular the Cambridge Women's Aid now we know that in some cases for these organisations things will have stopped or slowed down significantly but we know that the Cambridge Women's Aid have been a lot more work going on because of the increasing cases of domestic abuse. If we leave things as they are for another year will they be struggling? Sorry, was that a question to me, Claire? Leslie, yep. Yes, sorry. Again, I think that's something that I would have to have a conversation with them about. I think what was evident that when we had the workshop is that Cambridge Women's Aid do a lot more work on our behalf than we actually pay them for. So I think it's worth a conversation with Heather Wood in housing and Cambridge Women's Aid just to see what the impacts are and whether there's an opportunity to further funds are needed then how we can support them. So yes, I remember making the point in the workshop and certainly the workshop that Heather led was very good and I know from talking to councillors involved with it in the city about the increase in demand for this service. So maybe I'm going back to John and saying would there be an exception in this case that we might need to look at increasing funding in this year ahead of a review over next year? Well, I mean, we would have to look at that. The details that we have here you could make a we have no details about their performance and who they've been supporting. So, we would need to understand that. But clearly if they could identify and have the evidence that they are doing more than the cost of what they're doing in support of South Cams residents isn't met by our grant then obviously we would look at that. But I think the purpose of remember this is for next year's budget. So we're not talking about the current year, we're talking about next year's budget and then delaying things a year after that. So we're not talking about so for next year what we're basically saying to these groups is that your funding will continue next financial year. And it may well be that some of these groups might come back to Leslie and say well actually if we do that then we're going to struggle. Well I think we should be sympathetic but we need the evidence. And that's the problem that we have with this is that their experience this year this financial year is probably not typical. But we don't know. So for example if Cambridge Women's Aid has seen a lot more cases this year will that be the case will that be the situation in the next financial year? So we need to understand that. So I'm not saying no you have to make do with what we're giving you what we've given you for this year going and rolling that into next year. But on the other hand we just can't give us a chance to and them a chance to see what life is going to be like now. And so I don't want us to start reviewing all these contracts and grants that we have ahead of next financial year because the whole idea of having a moratorium is to keep the same level of funding next financial year and not to review things because otherwise we might as well go to new contracts you know we might as well. So I think while I'm sympathetic and I'm sure we all are some of these organisations have found themselves much busier because of the pandemic that doesn't mean to say that that will continue into next financial year so I think we need to keep that in mind. Could I also add there John as well that I think pretty much like ourselves this last 18 months has also been an opportunity for organisations to streamline themselves administratively so they might find that as a result of the pandemic and home working loss of travel mileage expense claims that they are running more efficiently than they were pre-pandemic but again I think these things take time don't make you to realise Just if I might just come back and Leslie there was a question for you when we did the workshop and Claire was talking about this the women's aid in particular they were doing work for us which was was it referral or was it something like that? It was yeah they sit on the domestic homicide review panel which I think which we don't pay them for but they need to attend and I think they are for a year with ongoing cases and I think we sort of made a back of a sort of rough calculation basically of how much it actually cost them which we don't fund them for so if we did want to fund them fairly going forward for the work that they do on our behalf for the domestic homicide reviews then that's something that we could approach them for and I'm thinking John that we have that £38,000 which we didn't spend on the mobile warden schemes that we kind of ring fence now for the children and young people but there's no reason why perhaps we could apportion some of that to cover the cost of their representation on those review panels Yeah certainly although I would suggest that if they are required, if we require them to be on those review panels then it's not a grand fund that they should get it should be it should be a proper arrangement that we should fund them out of one of the service budgets now you know if they're there if it's a housing requirement then that ought to be funded by housing not by our grant but that's something we need to take away and but you're absolutely right any cost should be that they're having to incur because of doing work for us we should be funding and absolutely on that funding should come from we need to have a discussion I think on that through you John and Leslie then I think on behalf of ourselves here would it be possible that that particular case with regards to the attending boards and what have you for the homicide would be looked at sooner rather than later the back of the fact packet calculation that we did I think to be fairer we've astonished all of us on the workshop the level of monies was basically level if I recall with what we grant fund them now it was a huge sum of money that they are being deprived of essentially so therefore that work may not be going ahead so that's all I would say is if offline if you could action that would be super grateful I think on that behalf here all we need to sound that so could I ask then sorry Jo for clarity then we are we agreeing that we are going to extend the grants for the coming year and review agreements this coming next year in 2022 absolutely as basically as was suggested by yourself and John I think we're under and the children and young people's grant we're going to use the mobile warden theme left over £38,000 for this and we're going to proceed with a new theme from April of next year which we will use as a pilot for one year yes chairman yes could I just then I agree with that I think that's what we discussed at the workshop so will we come back will that come back to this committee with more bones on it what the theme might be how it might be administered that kind of thing so we'll have a chance to discuss it I can I put in the appendix I think there was an appendix there which outlined the aims and objectives of the children and young people grant to include the criteria which is very much aligned to the criteria that we have service support grant so that wouldn't change too much I think it would just be a case of reviewing the aims objectives if you wanted to change those but also them in any way could we have a look at those now then appendix B on page 45 I suppose the obvious question would be that we tend not to fund educational establishments do we need to make that absolutely clear yes so on page 45 in the middle it says community groups can apply for funding to be agreed are we seeking to agree that level at this meeting then it would be helpful we've got £38,000 in that pot and given our experience of the the zero carbon grants it's what level of grant funding we're willing what can community organisations achieve really how much is a achievable amount of money for them to really make an impact do we need to set an up a cap maybe £5,000 or £2,000 on the amount knowing in mind what we said earlier about Cambridge women's aid and so on maybe it's something that we need to take away and discuss John the actual amount we've got the print if we can agree the principle the actual amount can be determined outside of the meeting is that possible chair I think so we could set up another quick meeting if you like could I propose actually that we could organise a meeting with the children and young people's co-ordinator at Cambridge County Council she'll have a really good idea of what sort of projects there are out there so we can have those conversations with community groups really just to say look we have got this pot of money how much what would be a good amount to apply for to get your projects off the ground in fact picking up on what this has just said sorry the reason I have my hand up is that one of the things I'm a bit conscious of that we need to coordinate this with what the county is doing the county are responsible for youth services and I would suggest that we would expect the organisation to be working with the county council or at least acknowledging the county council and letting the county council know what they intend to do to ensure that it's all joined up whereas I think otherwise I think we could and we have funded things through the community chest youth projects for example but I'm just conscious that this is one step beyond funding a scamp group or people to maintain some woodland or something this is actually being part or providing facilities for children and young people and it needs to ensure that it fits with the county strategy in that provision so I would like us to as I say when we come to criteria that the organisation should at least have let the county know of its proposal if not indeed being in contact with the county to ensure that what they are doing fits with the overall plan of the county's youth service or youth provision Thank you, Claire Yes, can I endorse that as well and also I think we as elected members can tell our councillors our county councillor colleagues who are particularly the new chair and vice chair of that councillor Goodliff and councillor King Corilyver and we can talk to them about that there's a new committee now children and young people committee in the county so we can alert the members as well Bill Maybe Lesley can set up a meeting I guess it's for me to be a part of this very happy to do that so maybe if Lesley can set up a meeting with counterparts in county we can have a discussion on this and I can be part of it Are you happy with that? I'm absolutely, would you recommend we do this sooner rather than later Lesley I think we need to get the ball rolling great stuff as quickly as we can Thank you Lesley Back to you then Lesley I think we were just running through the agreement so we'd agreed with the so if you're happy then we're happy with the children and young people's grant so the action from that is to set up a meeting with county council representatives to move on to the farmland museum to extend their contract or their agreement for a further year and then review and then the and then in terms of budget reviews that would need to take place next year in sort of July, August of next year Okay I mean starting that process even now just to get a hint if you've drawn up a plexi for next year Seem to recall when it comes to the farmland museum I think we did discuss after the meeting that there might be a case for probably inserting more art and culture in our modus operandi if you like into which the farmland museum and organisations like it might fall so that they're part of the it's a regularising it I suppose I think that's what I was saying before I know that we spoke about this at the workshop and myself and councillor Cahn, Martin Cahn and councillor Clayton, Gavin Clayton certainly been talking about this over the years and I'd really like to see how we can highlight the fact particularly that community chess that we do support music and the arts and to encourage applications it's quite a long time since we had an application from a band for example I can't remember it in the last year or two and I know that that kind of music bands and choirs have been badly affected by Covid and might well need some help to get them up and running again so now maybe is the time to put some emphasis on that and then also in the future to bring culture more to the fore in grant giving Martin, just a couple of things on your list where are we I'm sorry, Peter Thanks just to, when we're talking about the farm and the museum and the thinking department Bill's point we are working on a visitor economy strategy that's quite well advanced now so some things like farmland museum ultimately I think will fall into that area so for the new website which you'll launch in the autumn has a farmland museum and Denny Abbey on the front of its landing page so I think it will naturally fall into another area after this year That's brilliant farming farmland is so important to this district so it's good that it is If you just bear with us because the way we've discussed this we've covered two agenda items really five and six so we're just in the process of trying to put in which bit we did where if you like consulting with Aaron at the moment but essentially everything is fine now the paperwork has to be brought up to spec otherwise we're going to still be in trouble ok so if you could just talk amongst yourselves for a minute right guys on page 39 of your agenda if you could just zoom back to that please this is the admin now John and Leslie I've had my knuckles wrapped by democratic services right under options on agenda or point 26 I've got part 1 AMB on page 39 we've agreed section B and on part 2 we've agreed part A if you didn't pop over the page to page 40 we have part 3 A, B and C and I believe that we were going to go with A and part 4 we've we're going to look so that would be part A wouldn't it we're going to look at the potential inflationary pressures and what have you of the various grants is that right Leslie I would say it's part B isn't it? part B to the voluntary community sector but it might be worth just noting that that will be reviewed next year ok so we're going to go on part 4 with B yeah everyone's happy with that yeah guys right with the providers that it is in next year's financial assessments yeah you're looking perplex Leslie and then in the pre we had the previous paper as well that was really just to note performance against objectives or to seek further investigation or clarification that's on page 20 often page 22 options options page 23 options 1 and 2 yeah so basically is there any further action you'd like or not options we were going to option 1 weren't we wasn't the further action and relating to domestic domestic homicide reviews under there as well because that related to the women's aid and again I think the action from that would be to have a conversation with housing first and foremost just to I think we need to clarify if we are going to pay for their presence on the domestic homicide review panel then where that funding comes from and which service budget perhaps can I just add in that I think at the moment Leslie it comes from the CSP budget doesn't it it comes partly from the CSP budget and partly from the police and crime commissioner and there's a big debate going on at the moment about the funding of domestic homicide reviews okay so then just to be clear we're going to option 1 with the addition of the well that sorry chair I don't see how you can because a number of these reports say that it's not on track that they're not on track what I was going to suggest was that you amend that you amend 2 to recognise that some that some aren't on track for example you've got art and minds you've got community transport rdct and home start and just recognise in the minutes that you appreciate that because of Covid it has affected the performance of those so what I'm suggesting is we don't need an investigation because we know why these have underperformed but we need to note that in the minutes rather than just say oh they've all been on track because they haven't been on track no fair enough Aaron's got that okay that's lovely Leslie back to you thank you right so can I just check because we've been jumping around a little bit on item 5 and 6 so we've done both have we now are you happy that we've completed both yeah I'm clear that both have been completed so it's a gender item 5 and 6 yeah in that case thank you Leslie and thank you Aaron for my sore knuckles John your input as usual has been invaluable thank you very much and thank you to colleagues on the committee here for your superb support it just leads me to say that the next meeting is on Friday the 24th of September at 10am and I'm assuming it's going to be back here correct thank you very much in that case to one and all thank you very much have a good afternoon and a lovely weekend can you kill the seed