 Good morning everyone and thank you for joining class. Welcome to class today and on Wednesday we were looking at Romans chapter 7. We'll continue looking at Romans chapter 7. Okay, so if you could you know turn I mean look at your notes or even you can open your Bibles as well through Romans chapter 7. We see that in Romans chapter 6 you know Paul says that you know as believers we are dead to sin and here in chapter 7 he's saying that as believers we are also not only dead to sin but we're also dead to the inverse in students to the law. Thank you King. We are not only dead to sin but we're also dead to the law and hence we are free from the law. However this does not mean that you know because we're dead to the law it does not mean that the law is evil that the law is not good but he mentions he says that the law is good the law is holy the law is spiritual okay and so there's nothing wrong with the law. We read this in verse 12 where he says the law is holy it's just and it is good okay. So what Paul is basically saying that where there's nothing wrong with the law the problem is not with the law but the problem is with what? With the with sin okay the problem is not with the law but the problem is with sin and he says the problem is with sin because you know the sin is so powerful you know and once people came to know about the law the law actually highlighted sin when the law came about people were able to realize that you know that they were breaking God's standards they were going against God's standards they were crossing the line they were they were doing things that were displeasing to God and you know and so he says that the law is by itself is not bad but the law is holy just and good but he says the problem is not with the law but the problem is with sin because sin is very very powerful he says that once he came to know about the law you know he came to know there's something called sin okay and because the law is the one that highlights the weakness against sin it highlights our weakness against sin it the law also shows us that we cannot keep the law in our own strength we are weak in front of in front of sin sin is more powerful than us that's why we deal the members of our body do sin so we look we stop at the worst nighting where report says you know I was alive once without the law but when the commandment came sin revived and I died okay just a request can you just open those windows then stop it please thank you okay so we stop at worst nine I was just explaining worst nine on Wednesday where Paul says there was a lion once without the law but when the commandment came sin revived and I died okay so I said this is a very challenging verse for many to understand why because you know is Paul referring to after he became a believer or is he referring to himself you know when he was before he became a believer before he was in Christ or what is Paul's spiritual situation now when he is writing this okay so we saw that you know it is actually Paul referring himself to before he became a believer before he was in Christ and here he says you know as believers you know we are dead to the law those who are in Christ dead to the law and he also uses a phrase in in the first few verses he says that we are married to Christ okay we are married to another he says or we have become dead to the law when we are in the body of Christ or when he says when we are married to another which means that we are married to Christ which means we are spiritually united with Christ okay so what do we understand by this phrase which he says in worst nine okay and to understand this phrase I actually gave you an example of you know when when people come to the age of 12 or 13 they're actually able to understand rules and regulations not in the light of just because they have to keep rules and regulations you know you know because their parents told want them to or if they keep the rules and laws and regulations they will receive a reward they will get some chocolates if they don't and they will receive punishment but you know usually they say or we don't know which is the right age but people usually say 12 or 13 you know people come to a place where they come to a place of accountability okay to the laws to the rules they come to a place where they're able to see the bigger picture they're able to see God in the whole context of why they should keep the rules and the laws and follow the commandments and why they shouldn't they come to a place where they understand the commandment as having to do with God in relationship with God not just to please their parents or not just to get the chocolate reward but you know doing it in a bigger context doing it you know having in the context of their relationship with God so likewise Paul is saying in verse nine when Paul came to an understanding of the law he knew he was accountable to the standard of the law okay he came to a place where he understood the commandment as having to do with God or the laws having to do with the context of his relationship with God and he says when he came to that understanding what happened sin revived and I died sin revived means he's saying that there was no way he could overcome sin okay sin took a hold of him okay and we also know in our lives you know sin takes a hold of us and sometimes it's so difficult you know we don't want to lose our temper when we get angry we don't want to ban things we don't want to say rude things we don't want to say nasty things but we end up doing it and we are just you know after we are so frustrated with ourselves we're so upset with ourselves and we know that sin has such a powerful control over our life so he's saying you know when he was under the law that was he was not in Christ you know when he was in his own you know in the endemic nature he says you know sin revived and I died what does it mean I died he says you know sin is actually bringing about decay you know with sin brings about corruption it corrupts our thoughts it corrupts our emotions you know and it ultimately destroys our life with sickness and health and you know pain and misery and finally we are dying of physical death and we also die a spiritual death okay and was 18 he says when the understanding of the commandment came the awareness of sin came was 8 he says when the understanding of the commandment came the awareness of sin came so what is sin you know what is sin how will you define sin simple what is sin any response can I respond yeah sure Charles sin is anything that you think you do or you say that it makes a good sad okay thank you Charles what is sin it's a violation of the law okay it's falling short of God's standard thank you rose yes it's violation of the law it's breaking the commandments of God simple okay oh the who says yes doing what we know is wrong okay so Paul says a sin produced in me all manner of what all manner of was it look at what's saved in your vipers what does it say it's producing him all manner of evil desires okay producing him all manner of evil desires okay and which is contrary to the law okay all these evil desires are not what the law says it's contrary to the law he says only when the law was presented to him you know he says only with the law what's presented to me I realized that I was sinning not only did I realize that I was sinning but I also realized that sin is at work in me and in me there is all manner of evil desires in me which was causing me to break the law or causing me to sin so only when the law came people were able to realize that they were sinning they realized that you know that sin wasn't working them that you know there was all manner of evil desires in them which was causing them to break the law or causing them to sin and now as he progresses in his letter in verses 13 to 25 he not only focuses just on the law but he's also beginning to focus on sin he's talking about the sinful evil desires in the but sin okay so can somebody please read verses 13 to 25 please verses 13 to 25 before we read verses 13 to 25 anyone has any doubts from verses 1 to 12 any questions any doubts anything you like to share okay no questions no doubts yes Siddharth so people who don't have the law did they how would they know whether they're sinning or not yeah good question I think we already answered this I think on Wednesday I think somebody asked you know Paul is writing in chapter 1 and chapter 2 he's talking about the you know the Gentiles don't have the law but they have their conscience okay they have their conscience that tells them what is right and wrong and of course you know the Jews have the law but he says we'll all be judged by the gospel of Jesus Christ whether you have the law you have the conscience we'll all be judged by the gospel of Jesus Christ we went through that and we also said we don't know how it's going to happen but this is what God's word is we can't you know we can't you know say anything more because that is what is revealed to us here in scripture but how do the Gentiles without having the law how do they know what is right and wrong their conscience their conscience bears witness to them and how can the Gentiles know that there is a God even though they don't have a law you know Paul writes in chapter 1 he says you know the the invisible attributes of God is revealed to us in creation okay and the people are without any excuse they can know the invisible attributes of God the invisible attributes of God you know his power and his his the God had deity is revealed to us in creation thank you Sidhan anyone else has any questions any doubts yes the the laws that God gave Moses yes the law that God gave Moses there was 20 I mean sorry 10 commandments 20 commandments 10 commandments in Exodus chapter 20 and then of course there was about 613 laws that God had given of addition yeah any other questions anyone has okay if not we will move on to verses 13 to 25 can somebody read that please even over those who have not seen according to the gladness of the translations of Adam first type of claim to us to come but the three gift is now like the offense state five to one of the offense many died much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Jesus Christ abandoned him to many and a gift is now like that which came to the one who sinned for judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation but the great gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification for it by the one thanks that claim to the one much more those who receive a burden and the grace of grace and the gift and righteousness which came from the one Jesus Christ therefore I still want my sentence that came to all men resulting in condemnation given so to the one that the righteousness I could be gift to all men resulting in justification of God whereas by one man's disobedience many will make sin also also by one man's disobedience many will do their righteousness moreover the law here that difference might again by where sin again grace again with righteousness thank you Asha so here it was 13 to 25 no Paul describes his struggle okay so Paul has already mentioned to us that the law highlighted sorry you read the wrong scripture yeah okay go ahead and read seven versus the team to okay she's read the wrong scripture and so we ask her to read Romans chapter seven was 30 to 25 again yeah go ahead I will not to do I agree with the law that is good then it is no longer I who do it but sin that dwells in me for I know that in me that is in my flesh nothing good dwells for to it will is present with me but how to perform what is good I do not find for the good that I was to do I do not do but the evil I will not do that I practiced now if I do what I will not to do it is no longer I who do it but sin that dwells in me but I love the law of God according to the judgment but I see another law in my neighbors members wearing against the law of my mind and bringing to the tattoo to the law of sin which is my address for which my name who I do ever use from this body except I came down to Jesus Christ I love so much for the mind and myself so the law of God over the flesh for the God of sin thank you Ashraf so here in verses 13 to 25 here Paul describes the struggle that he is having Paul has already mentioned to us that the law highlighted sin or made sin very visible or showed us that we were sinners we were missing the mark we're going against God we were disobeying him and he says the problem is not with the law but the problem is with sin because the laws holy spiritual just and right and then he's saying that but there is sin and the sin is working in my flesh the sin is working in our flesh through our natural desires okay so in these verses we see a struggle okay and Paul says I want what is the struggle he says I want to do what is right but I can't do what is right the same with all of us right we want to do things that are right we struggle not to get angry or not to get to be jealous or not to act in pride or not to shout or scream or somebody wants to be admitted into class okay yeah so we see that you know he says that you know we want to do what is right but we don't do it we desire to please God but you know most often we do things that break his heart and when we do that we are so grieved we are so upset with ourselves and why is that why does that happen he says you know look at verse 21 you know in verse 21 he says I find then a law that even is present with me the one who wills to do good so he's saying you know I want to do good I will do good but he's saying you know there's a law that works in me and that is evil that is present in me and what is the law it's the law of sin okay so the law of sin that is in in my body you know is causing me to do things that God does not desire to do things that are not right okay so this law is kind of controlling me and it's the evil that is present in me and in verse 23 he says you know if you look at verse 23 says but I see another law in my members worried against the law of my mind and bringing me into the capability of the law of sin which is in my members okay so he's saying that there is an evil verse 23 is keeping my members enslaved to sin even though in my mind I want to obey God okay and so it was 24 he says who will deliver me from this body of death why is he calling this the body of death because he's already told us in verse 13 sin produces what does sin produce death okay the more Paul says the more he sins the more it produces that his body has become a body of death why because his body is controlled by sin and the more he's going to let his body be dominated by sin or controlled by sin you know sin produces death in his body or sin is death is at work in his body okay so in verses 13 to 25 is a description of Paul as a believer or as a Paul you know or as Paul a man under the law before becoming a believer which is a question that many people ask okay in these verses is Paul you know the description that he's given here is Paul talking about himself as a believer or you know is he talking about himself as a man under the law you know who's who's not yet become a believer so many believers quote also these verses to describe their struggle with sin and they say you know it's okay for us to struggle with sin because Paul also struggled you know when he was a believer he says I want to do good but but I don't do it okay so there's a couple of things that I like to find out here the first one is you know Paul is not talking about himself when he was a he's a believer he's not talking about himself when he is in he is in Christ and he's not talking about himself when he's married to Christ or he's spiritually united to Christ Paul is talking about himself here when he was under the law okay when he was under the law and we saw this in verse nine says when the commandment came means when I came to know the law sin revived in me or sin came up in me and I died and you know and he concludes you know this whole this section in verse 25 he says I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord okay so Paul is meaning here that you know there is a way out there is a way out for you know not to be dominated by sin there is a way out you know to overcome sin not to be under the dominion of sin and he's pointing to the way out and he says you know I feel trapped you know I feel trapped by the sin he says I want to do the right thing I want to do what desires and pleases God but you know I feel trapped I can't do it I'm so caught up with sin and there is no way out and he's not saying that you know I took the way out and came to the other side and found myself trapped no he's not saying that but he's saying that when I was under the law I felt trapped under sin you know what's meaning of trapped trapped means caught you know when they go yeah when a fisherman you know traps fish in his net or you know when a hunter traps an animal in his net they're totally trapped they can't get out so he's not talking about being trapped when he takes the way out and he comes to the other side and he finds himself trapped he's not talking about when he finds a way out of things he finds a way out in Jesus Christ and he becomes a believer or he's in Christ or he is spiritually you know in union with Christ he's married to Christ he's not talking about that he says no when I am under the law you know I am trapped because I want to do the right things that the law is telling me but I find sin is controlling my body and then he says how can I get rid of the sin that is controlling my desires and bringing about evil desires and he points the way out and what is the way out who does he point to he was 25 he's pointing out to Jesus Christ our Lord okay so he points out to Jesus Christ our Lord okay so he's pointing out to the way that he has found out of this this whole being trapped under sin and that is why you know when I say that the experience in verses 13 to 25 does not apply to Paul as a believer because the believer is on the other side they are not trapped by sin Paul already tells us in Romans chapter 6 that we are dead to sin sin has no longer dominates it has no longer control so it's Paul's experience here in verses 30 to 25 when he is under the law and before he comes into Christ or before he encounters Jesus Christ or he is born again he becomes a new creation so some people don't see it as we see it but I'm sharing this with you you know I see these verses as when Paul was under the law and not when he was in Christ so I'm just sharing you my viewpoints you can take whatever position you feel comfortable with after reading Romans 7 or after your understanding at your study of Romans 7 and so he says in verse 25 I thank God to Jesus Christ our Lord now in this whole passage in verses 30 to 25 there are two things that have to be dealt with okay the law has already been dealt with we are Paul says we're already dead to the law and he says you know it was one two or six he says we are dead to the law we are married to Christ but here he's talking of the law of sin and the law of death okay so the two things that we need to deal with here is the law of sin and the law of death okay he says in verse nine he's already spoken to us in verse nine he says sin revived and I died that means sin he's talking about sin and death verse 30 he says sin produces death okay that means anything that decays corrupts and destroys and ultimately it is the physical death and the spiritual death verse 17 he says sin dwells in me verse 23 the law of sin which is in my members which means the you know the the law of sin that is controlling his body sin is controlling his body and what is the result was 24 this body of death means sin in Paul's body sin in our body is causing our body to die or causing his body to die okay and then in verse 25 he's talking about the law of sin so here in these verses he's dealing not with the law okay because he's already dealt with the law he's saying that they already you know we've already dead to the law but here he's dealing with two things he's dealing with the law of sin and the law of death okay so so what I'm pointing out here to these verses which I mentioned verse 13 17 23 verse 24 and 25 is what I'm pointing out here is Paul is saying there are two problems here okay there is sin and there is death okay because Paul says who is going to set me from this sin that is controlling my flesh that is ultimately producing what we mean it's producing death in me so who is going to deliver me and how am I going to come out of this okay now this is why is this important because you know why is these questions important important in the light of what Paul has already said in Romans 6 you know there is a connecting point here in Romans chapter 6 verse 19 he says I'm speaking to you because of the weakness of my flesh remember that he looked at Romans chapter 6 verse 19 he says you know I'm speaking to you because of the weakness of my flesh so there is a weakness in the flesh of every believer what is it it is sin at work sin is producing what death and sin if it's allowed to continue in the flesh it will still produce death so for a believer how can he be set free how does he walk free from sin that produces death in the flesh you know he goes on to talk about it in chapter 8 where there he talks about the law of the spirit okay he talks about the law then he talks about the law of sin and he talks about the law of death you know and he says you know he wants to be set free from the law of sin and death and he says who will set me free from this you know law of sin and that how am I going to be delivered he points out to Jesus Christ and then he goes on to write in his letter or you know we look at it as chapter 8 where you know he talks about how a believer can be set free and how he can walk free from sin that produces death in the flesh the answer is in chapter 8 where he's talking about the law of the spirit of life he's saying in chapter 8 that is the holy spirit that will enable us or is the holy spirit that will help us to you know overcome the power of sorry overcome the power of sin that is in our flesh okay okay so that is the end of chapter 7 anyone has any questions any questions if you look at your notes you know there is Paul summarizes his own experience in his own spiritual journey he's talking about his struggles verse 17 he says what I'm doing I do not understand what I will do I do not practice what I hate that I do all that he mentioned in verse 17 verse 18 he says I want to do good but I'm unable to do it verse 19 the good that I will to do I do not do it verse 19 he says even I will not do that I practice and he talks about not only struggles but also the problems that sin dwells in me was 17 my flesh nothing good dwells was 18 sin that dwells in me was 20 was 21 that evil desires are present in my body and then was 23 he says something is fooling in my members fighting against my mind bringing me captive to sin okay so he's talking about the fleshly desires that born against our soul so even when we become believers you know we are only our spirits are born again but you know our flesh and our minds our soul and our flesh has to be renewed every day we need to be transformed every day but the renewing of our minds because our flesh has sinned though still the whole nature you know and our mind our souls also has the tendency to you know fall back into the old sinful nature so you know what Peter says in first Peter chapter 2 verse 11 that there is a war within us the war is between the spirit and the flesh the spirit wants to do something but the flesh is weak it's not able to do there is a war and so how what is the whole thing about the answer for this how to overcome it the more you know Paul says the more we feed our fleshly carnal nature that is what will you know will dominate but the more we feed our spirit you know the more we are spending time reading God's word meditating our intimacy with God worshiping him the more our spirit man is fed when our spirit man is fed that dominates and our flesh is not you know our flesh becomes weakened because starving it's not being fed and once you know you know when something is starving what happens we are dead too we're dead to it the person dies right it's the same ways as we need to feed our spirit and not our carnal nature because if we keep feeding our carnal nature you know sin will continue to abound in our life but when we continue to feed our spirit man that will dominate the flesh okay it presents the answer that it's you know the answer is in Jesus Christ but then he goes on to answer on how we can get rid of the law of sin and the law of death as a result of sin that produces death how can we overcome it this he presents to us in Romans chapter eight wait anyone has any questions okay any questions I hope you're all the online students are following yes no any questions anyone has uh you're following five times and and yeah you explained but we don't have questions we understand okay thank you man thank you first anyone else has any questions anything that you uh have any doubts maybe you can just read through because we still have some time we have 13 minutes and anyone has we won't begin chapter eight we'll take it on in our next Wednesday and then on Friday as well so yes sorry yes I'll just I'll just mention that in a little bit uh yeah uh I think Christopher you have a question sorry Christopher I thought you had a question Christopher are you there no no I am sorry I have much to press about if I mistake okay okay okay okay yeah so uh yes man I understand that those were in Christ there's no no no no condemnation because we now have Christ and law has no dominion over us however in uh I think that Peter or John said that if someone continues sin there's no more um feminism class uh keep on sinning there's no more sacrifice left for them so what's the relationship between that person who can who knows Christ and he knows he he contains sinning and the law or is he still going to be judge based on the law or is he going to be judge based on uh correct correct okay so you're saying that uh uh that you know Romans chapter eight was one begins with saying that there is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus so you know we don't stand condemned before God but God yes he knows that we are weak we are sinful people we um we um uh we cannot keep all of the laws we break the laws yes and that's why the answer he's giving us is the the holy spirit you know who enables us and helps us and you know like we also spoke in in chapter six about grace and law grace not only keeps us away from sin also empowers us to keep us away from sin and so you're saying that what if somebody living uh under grace and as a believer will uh you know they continue to sin and you're you're mentioning about Hebrews chapter eight where there's no more forgiveness of sins left but only a dreadful punishment but now it does not qualify what extent of sin that person goes or they come to a place where there is no more forgiveness of sins that is left but only a dreadful punishment we don't know what is that extent but we don't go to that extent because we because we can't say well because I don't know I can to any extent I can go to sin because I don't know what extent God is going to really you know there's no more forgiveness of sins but the whole issue about sinning is you know even as Paul is trying to say is you know when you are in Christ you cannot sin see when you are spiritually united to Christ there's no way that you can sin so that's not just the truth but something that we need to also you know make it as a reality in our life and there's something that we need to also need to keep telling ourselves that no I just can't sin I can't just do it you know this is not something that I need to do or continue doing so what is the extent of what a person there's no more forgiveness of sins we do not know because there is no explanation given to us in scripture but however we know that we cannot keep on continuing to sin because once we love God and once we are in Christ you know we can't just sin you know and if you're continuing to sin then there's a big question mark about our whole salvation experience our salvation experience can only be that we have experienced Jesus as we've received him as a savior and not as Lord of our life so some people very conveniently for salvation they experience Jesus Christ as their savior because he saved them from their sins they're very happy with their sins are forgiven they're going to heaven but most of them don't you know accept him as Lord his salvation is complete when we accept him him as savior and as Lord that means Lord over every area of our life submitting to him, obeying him in every area of our life and then you're asking how will they be judged whether they be judged according to the law or like I already said in the beginning of the class when Siddhanta asked the question you know we need to go back to what scripture says and scripture says in or we already looked at it in Romans chapter two where it says that you know you know Jews we cannot say that you know you have the law but you will not be judged by the law neither the Gentiles by their conscience but we will all be judged by the what does he say the gospel of Christ okay so says we'll all be judged by the gospel means so that is what he he mentions I think in in chapter two okay so did that answer your question yes pastor because you hear about ministers since falling into sin you hear people working with God doing things that contradicts the Bible and we ask us or just was that guy saved and it was saved and he knew the Lord the Lord and he knew the law how come and how how is he going to be saved how is he going to heaven how is he going to be judged yeah thank you okay so you're talking about the people who you know are believers who are ministers who are pastors and they you know they fall back they still sin and what happens when is that what you're asking yes they're also part of the question yeah thank you all believers including pastors including bishop okay yes so you know so the whole thing is that you know we don't condemn them okay because first of all there's no condemnation in Christ Jesus so we have no right to condemn but yes it does not mean also that we stay silent to sin there is all rights you know you have to take the elders and you have to speak to them and that's what he's when he writes to Timothy he says you take the elders you know explain to them and if they still continue to sin then you know there's nothing more that you can really do you know you just have to leave them because they will be judged by God okay so we also do not know what to say extend but we know that the Holy Spirit will continue to work in their lives will continue to minister will continue to bring them to a place where you know they are willing to you know change then put for them if they're not willing to change then you know as God gives us the free will to choose he leaves it upon us we face the consequences for us sin but is there no forgiveness left for them we really don't know you know to what extent of sin that they go to but yes it's sad that many of them very pastors do fall into sin but it's also as people you know me are supposed to be praying for them correcting them admonishing them helping them out and if they're not willing you know Paul says to such people you know give them up to Satan you know give them up to Satan and he's not saying that so that they can be destroyed but he's saying once you you know they come out of the spiritual covering the spiritual perfection you know they're open to the attacks of the evil one they face all the difficulties and then they realize their sin they will come back to God's the purpose of God for doing that is to bring them back to restore them so God is in the process of restoring people not wanting anyone to perish but if people continue in their sin you know then yeah we do not know what is the extent of grace that is available for them what you know levels that they fall to where there is no forgiveness of sins but we just have to learn from their lives that we don't go to that extent we don't fall to that level that we don't do the sins that they are doing I hope I will say good to answer that yes thank you thank you very much because we really can't say what would have been able to judge for this the judge but we just do our part any other questions okay there's no question just want to say that you know we I was I scheduled the first assessment for this coming Monday but I like to postpone it to the following Monday is it okay with all of you yeah so the first assessment I had scheduled it for 18th but just seems to be a very hectic week for me and a very hectic weekend as well so if I could move it to the 25th is it okay with all of you sorry for the inconvenience and change is it fine with all of you yes okay okay so will I post the questions on the 25th of September okay which is sorry not the 25th it's the 26th it's a Monday yeah okay 26th okay there's no questions we will end class thank you all for joining class today and have a blessed weekend see you next week thank you everyone thank you pastor