 I'm going to trade this Patrick Muller here with another tickle chart, I'm going to draw your attention today to the development of duty in copper, we're on the daily time frame you can see we've been in this sending trend channel from the march loads last year, I obviously saw a big extension up through the ascending trend line resistance and so we have overlaid the channel to create an upside target now of $4.60, recently had a three-way pullback into the 50% retracement of the last leg to the upside and the equality objective here at $3.90, seeing some demand come into the market now looking for a close back through the $4.07 which is the five-period VWAP to set up a move to test the upper channel at this $4.60 level, as always trade us, plan the trade, trade the plan and most importantly manage a risk, until next time thanks very much