 And here's a 5G new 5G chipset right here with Qualcomm the X55. So hi, so who are you? I am Nitin Zieman, product marketing for 5G modems at Qualcomm. And this is a new launch? This is our latest modem we announced last week. What I'm holding here is the world's most advanced modem that integrates 5G all the way back to 2G in a single chip. So this is the most advanced 5G chipset in the world? Yes. And so how is it different from the X50? This integrates 5G all the way back to 2G whereas X50 was a 5G modem. And this is built on a 7nm process so it's much smaller and more power efficient than the X50. X50 is 10? 10nm correct. And there's also something about the first generation 5G, the second generation 5G, what is it called? There's no second generation 5G but we have second generation solutions for 5G. But what is that? It's basically our next lineup of modems for 5G, that's what we're calling this. But does this support something that the X50 doesn't have right? Other than just 2G, there's a new implementation of the 5G that's more long future proof, right? There are other modes that it supports in addition to what X50 did. We introduced support for FDD for example and 5G standalone mode which is key for some markets around the world. So this basically supports, you can call it any flavor of 5G under the sun as supported here. What is this FDD? Is it similar to what was in 4G? Similar concept so most operators have a spectrum either in TDD or FDD. The FDD footprint around the world for FDD was much bigger than TDD. With 5G there are operators who've been waiting for FDD support so they can launch 5G services on their networks. But with full support for TDD and FDD for 5G and 4G it gives maximum flexibility for operators to launch 5G services. So X55 is doing FDD which is most popular on 4G? Is it also going to be more popular on 5G or not when you know it? It depends. So the other thing we've enabled with the X55 is something called 5G-4G spectrum sharing. What that means is operators can use existing spectrum that they have which happens to be mostly FDD and they can use the same spectrum to deploy 5G. So all the guys that are doing FDD which is all of Europe and most of China or a lot of China and Asia... There's very little China on FDD but most of the world uses FDD extensively. Most of the world and how about T-Mobile which one is that? AT&T and T-Mobile they have the GSM. The other ones are doing the CDMA. Is that something to do with that? No, so AT&T and Verizon will have both spectrum. Most operators have both in the US but T-Mobile specifically for 5G they were expecting to launch on FDD so this solution helps them get there too. This solution is crucial. And you haven't announced any SOC that has more than built in right? We did. Yesterday we announced an integrated SOC with 5G mode and support. So it's not the H55? We haven't announced which product. It's not the H55. It's a separate SOC. And you announced it's 7nm I guess? We do not disclose that. So it's just called the old and one SOC 5G solution? At this point yes. So the extent of the announcement was that we have an integrated solution and Samsung was also partnered with us and they came up on stage and mentioned that they will launch a device with that integrated SOC sometime soon. Is this going to take a little while? There's 5G coming now. You have a whole bunch of partners. They're all on X15 right now. Yes. And this one is going to take a little bit longer right? How soon is this one coming? Slightly longer but not that too long. It's already sampling to customers and we're expecting commercial device launches in the second half of this year. So it's coming fast. It's coming fast so maybe no device before the end of the year maybe right? And like finalized mass production devices potentially? No definitely devices before the end of the year. Before the end of the year? Correct. Maybe for Christmas? I think it should be well before Christmas because of the areas I talked about FTD support and standalone support that enables operators in different markets to come up with devices and we should see that within 2019. So on the stage I saw I think it was Cristiano Alon, right? President? Yes. And he said that Qualcomm did a huge work with all the partners but he would get it one year sooner. Yes. So can you explain a little bit the challenge you've got? If you want this? The challenge is getting there? Yes. So how do you get sooner than one year? How do you do it one year faster? Without doing FTD? Right. Yes. We didn't have to rely on one particular mode to roll out 5G. One of the leading operators we're looking at TDD and millimeter wave. That's where we focused on launching initially. The way we push it, accelerated this, is to push standard bodies to complete the standards back in I believe 2018. And then we worked with all operators around the world and all major operators as well as infrastructure vendors to make sure 5G is available and implemented on their systems ahead of time before what they were planning previously. And what is the power consumption different between a separate modem and a built-in SoC? Is there any numbers on that? I don't have any numbers for that. But previously, I'm just guessing here maybe it's 20-30% improvement in power consumption, something like that, right? It's what I mean, the differentiators of data in the industry is that you have everything along SoC. Pretty integrated. Sure, it's one of the differentiators, yeah, for sure. But the SoC might not apply to all applications. It's critical for smartphones, for example. But the X55 that we announced basically works across multiple segments. It's not just for smartphones. It goes into fixed wireless, into laptops and PCs, connected cars, VR headsets, and so on. So it's meant for multiple segments. So that's why it's a discrete modem. And if we look at here, is there X55 in this? No, this particular device that we're using is based on X50. X50? And I can see 2.7 gigabits. Is there any gigabit difference between X50 and X55? With X55, we enable higher throughputs. It goes up to 7 gigabits per second. Previously, in X50, we had limited it to about 5 gigabits per second. So there's a 25-something percent bump? 35. That's cool. It sounds quick. It sounds like a lot of bandwidth. That's saying we're hearing a trade show, everybody's using 5G. What can we expect? It's much better use of spectrum than the 4G. Is it? Yeah, so in millimeter wave, it gives you room for more spectrum, more wider bandwidths. That was the main driver of moving up to millimeter wave. So supporting up to 800 MHz, which is unheard of in lower frequencies. So that's one of the advantages of moving into millimeter wave in 5G. 800 MHz? Correct. So that's the one that goes through the walls better, goes further away? No, 800 MHz is the bandwidth. The frequency band is up to around 28 gigahertz to 39 gigahertz. And so that means that's a huge work for the carriers to get so far for this. But they're all doing it? Yeah. They're all making sure that this is going to work before the end of the year? Absolutely. Yeah. So operators are already launching millimeter wave services. They've already started in the U.S. So the groundwork has already been done as a matter of rolling it out at a larger scale. How's the difference? What if you just upgrade the towers they already have and put 5G, compared to doing a proper 5G? You need many more towers. You need smaller networks for the optimal 5G or you just use existing infrastructure and upgrade the base stations. You can add 5G on top of existing cell sites, which is the first thing that operators will do. And then to get better coverage in spotty areas, they can add small cells, for example, or densify the network further. So you'll have products to enable those small cells or other companies will do? We do cell ships into small cells as well. They're on demonstration back here. Let's go just a quick round. We just announced our fixed wireless platform as well. I'm not a small cell expert, but there's a bunch of small cells on that wall over there. It's like stuff that people can put inside their homes even to make a little hotspot. I can go down in the street. I can go and improve the network. Can we just walk over there? Just for one second. Are these the small cells? No, here are the small cells. The Wi-Fi is there. Small cells right here. There's a lot of 5G stuff going on over here. Could you give me a quick overview of what you're talking about around here? I'm actually not fully familiar with all of it. I haven't had a chance to go around myself. Is it mostly infrastructure stuff? No, so actually I can introduce you to some of the guys. This is basically the future of 5G. What you saw on the other side is commercialization and products that are out today already. This is more about what's next in 5G, especially for the 2016. I think here we're talking about massive MIMO over-the-air network that we have at Qualcomm for testing 5G. This is again... I'm not sure what they're showing here. So lots of different implementations around here. And 5G... And here you have all your partners. There's Oppo, Yeah this is the exciting part of our MWC presence this year. A lot of focus on enabling partners to launch 5G products and services. So there's been a lot of anticipation on 5G and is it going to be real? We've been saying for a while that 2019 will be the year where you'll see a massive amount of devices coming out. So here we're showcasing... Or we have partners here on our booth showcasing their upcoming devices on 5G. And we're showing them live on 5G networks. So we have Oppo, I believe there's OnePlus on the other side. We've got LG, Sony, ZTE as well. So a lot of ecosystem activity going on and it's all happening here.