 All right, welcome back to the second session on the local church. Hope you had a good break with your coffee and tea Thanks, Nina for coffee Okay. All right, let's continue in a PDF. We'll go to the next case study But just before we go on one of the key points that judge and highlighted in the chat section She has maintained a good balance between mighty manifestation and strong teaching to establish Believers, I think that's such a key point there. Isn't it like the balance to strike a balance between manifesting or pursuing the supernatural and Following that up or backing that up with good teaching either ways good teaching backing it up with manifestations of the gifts of the Holy Spirit or The supernatural is super is key okay, so and There was a good balance there in that first church. Let's move on to the case study of the Antioch Church You'll remember where Antioch is last class. Oh, Bangalore, Lingarajpuram here and you know, Narayanpur across Southern Turkey Okay, okay, let's start reading from I think Sri Radha can read We are in page 29 in your PDFs And page 42 and 43 in your yeah, it's 43. Okay He studied the Antioch Church started by believers who were scattered out of Jerusalem due to persecution Established through supernatural Demonstrations Receipt the leader Barnabas sent from Jerusalem to strengthen them Barnabas became the first pastor of the church in Antioch. Okay, cool. Thank you So this before we continue reading so it says started by the believers who were Scattered from Jerusalem due to persecution. That means they were moved out from Jerusalem. Okay, so it was the church was planted by Those who moved out. Yeah, then established through the method is through supernatural demonstration, okay After yeah, yeah, so it is now happening from the eighth chapter on Okay, that's when there's beginning to scatter To different places there some of them have gone to Antioch Now they're planting a church and one of the methods or key methods they planted was through supernatural Demonstration that could be anything prophetic ministry Moving in signs and wonders, etc. Etc. Okay Received the leader Barnabas son of encouragement from Jerusalem to strengthen them. What does encouragement do does? Strengthens right it edifies it builds you up. So that's exactly he they knew the right person to send it Okay All right Then he becomes the first Pastor of the church in Antioch. All right, let's move on Okay, welcome to another leader Paul brought in by Barnabas to strengthen them New believers were discipled through teaching Okay, so what one of the ways and how you can disciple is through Teaching okay, that's key and Identified with Christ believers were first called Christians in Antioch. Okay, cool. Great. So they were welcomed. They welcomed another leader Paul okay brought in by Barnabas Friends to strength strengthen them again to encourage them again New believers were discipled through teaching Teaching okay, that's key and identified with Christ That means these people in church identified in Christ. They later the word we get Christians or little Christ That's what it is. Okay Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So but before that they were known as the people of the way Okay, the term pastor Maybe the word but then just like how we know about say deacons or elders before that word came that Activity of that, you know, the responsibilities of that role was being demonstrated Right. And so in Acts chapter 6 we talk about deacons, but the word deacons is not there on but they Demonstrate the responsibilities of the word and so and we see that who? James, right? Was it James in Acts chapter 14? Where everybody's having this discussion and but the final decision is made by James, right? Yeah And so he was demonstrating the responsibility of a single leadership pastor. So, yeah Yeah, someone received prophetic ministry Received prophetic ministry. They followed other ministries to come into the church They allowed other Agapas, right? Agapas is a person Just to verify if you read about him in Acts chapter 21 verse 10 Okay, so he was he was functioning in the office of the prophet Okay, so there's a difference between functioning in the office of a prophet and moving in the prophetic gift Okay, so that's for study for another day. Okay, receive the prophetic ministry from Agapas from Jerusalem They allowed other ministries to come into the church and impart into the life of the church. Yeah Involved in social work sent relief to Jerusalem Church. Okay, so Okay, now let's go on. Sorry. Yeah, so the emergency of more leaders and I guess emergency Yeah, emergence Emergence just emerges that means So emerges may see they emerged someone new came up. Okay came to the scene so to speak I need more leaders in the development of ministry in about two years Yes, please continue leaders were in fellowship with one another and minister to the Lord Involved in missions sent out apostolic teams to pioneer new churches They released their senior leaders in the apostolic ministry Became an apostolic mission base for Apostles and Prophets and missionary teams Okay. Yeah, let's just pause there and just those are some amazing points there. Okay So from the point where Prince left off the last point saw the emergence of more leaders and development of ministry, so Again, we are all talking about this word growth We haven't left that Okay, so Emergence means coming up to the scene is also pointing towards growth the emergence of more leaders the more people came in They saw a need for more leaders And then the development of ministry teams in about two years. So in about two years there was growth Okay, so in just with that point there's so many things you can learn is You say, okay, you have a team meeting. All right guys, we have to grow and I think the first thing they would have done is In two years, we're going to give ourselves this time in two years. Let's see what we can do So they give themselves a deadline and then they work towards that Are you with me? So anything that's all related with the goals and the missions and the visions, etc. Okay And development of ministry teams. We don't know how many different teams they had But development happened. That means progress happened. That means growth happened Yes or no. So if any of your teams are kind of stagnant in your ministry, it's a dangerous place to be in that means Anytime stagnancy comes that means it attracts all kinds of unnecessary things like mosquitoes, you know In this case evil spirits and demons and you know, but The river has to flow Right the river has to flow. Okay involved Yeah, sure. This might be just later also But when we are talking about because we are talking about the growth in the in the terms of numbers So we know when we see this we have seen growth also in the terms of numbers like Majorly from three thousand to five thousand been specified and it's been, you know highlighted but right now in The church that we are in So how do we strike that balance or what will be our Mindset, I would say perspective of growth in terms of numbers okay, so Do we say That only we are growing in numbers We are a growing church or we are an anointed church or we are doing the right things right or Even though there are a few churches, you know, there will a lot of years going past by there might not be that much growth Yeah, so how do we take it in a right perspective? Yeah guarding numbers? So you look at it as a parameter As one of the parameters to gauge growth, it's not the only parameter so if How do I I'm gonna use a musical example, and I hope you don't mind that okay is if someone is auditioning for singing So we have at least four or five parameters one is are they singing in pitch? Are they singing in time? Can they sing harmony etc, right and so I'm not going to You know Another word I am not going to decide or make a decision on the person's singing ability based on just one parameter Okay, she cannot sing in pitch Or she cannot sing in time, but she can sing in pitch that means they scope for improvement kind of a thing So numbers are growing in numbers or growth in numbers is definitely one of the parameters that points to okay There's growth happening there Right so there is growth happening, but is this the only parameter you think okay? You leave out the rest. What about the spiritual maturity maturity growth? Are they growing spiritually are they growing in science and wonders are they growing? You know What spiritually except except so that's not the only thing so Yeah So that that is how you gauge trouble is You don't just stick to one parameters Okay, you know you see a like a large number church. It's great. Okay. That means they're doing something, right? There can be there cannot be we don't know that so hence the thing so Yeah, but there can be isn't it because You can also gauge the fruit of it eventually a Fruit of the mystery so not necessary not everything that is big necessarily is good. We know that as well And so you take time to just gauge the fruit Okay, the consistency and what they're teaching, you know, you know, so I hope I make sense, but yeah Okay, another couple of key verses that was read is they were involved in missions They sent out apostolic teams. Okay a couple of sessions ago. We learned what an apostle means Okay Yeah to send out and we get that from the Greek or the Roman word Apostle right so you go into a region geographically you change the atmosphere of it, isn't it? so apostolic teams to pioneer new churches and The next point is became I love this point. It says it became an apostolic mission base What is what is a base? huh Russian Foundation, okay, but it became an apostolic mission base. No all those are very military kind of words All right, I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly, but it so a base as in all let's say, I mean So a country is going for a war against one of our neighboring countries. I hope it never happens Because it's not fun say and The base is one of the border cities in northwest of India That's our base. So that means every troop from every other part of India are going to meet there And there they are going to be refreshed. They are going to be replenished It's like a Stay in a truck layovers, you know, you go there you get refreshed you wash up you take rest and then you go But this anti-org church was a mission base I mean there is such an amazing thing, isn't it? It's not the Jerusalem church That's the mission base but anybody who's traveling any missionaries from any different town or villages or cities Would come here. It was like a mission base and then, you know, they meet up with friends or whoever And then they take off in another missionary journey Isn't that awesome that maybe they would come there be empowered be edified be encouraged and then they go on they would go on I have no doubt in them being encouraged there because Barnabas is that Son of encouragement, right One more thing is these I mean this particular point been Referred in every a church case study is received prophetic ministry They allowed other ministers to come into so Just wondering like what is what was prophetic ministry at that one of time like How was it like maybe Just you gather together in the fellowship and then you give words of prophetic Of how what God is Yeah, I don't know the details of everything like what it looked like But then definitely would have looked like what prophetic ministry looks like now Like you move in the supernatural you give a word of knowledge. You give a prophetic word uh in all of that But I'm saying I don't know in detail what it would have looked like but then Everything that looks like today would have looked like back then as well Yeah, there allowed other ministries to come into the church and impart into the life of the church. Yeah and Yeah, and I think one of the elements of prophetic ministry is one of the things of moving in the prophetic is you are able to discern Now prophetic is what you hear God speaking and you release that word Right in other words. I'm very rare cases. You speak and he does right Okay, so Elijah said it will not rain for three years and he god listened and said, okay, I will not make it rain for three years Okay, so uh Yeah You discerning I think you need you all we all need to do a word study on uh spiritual word study On the word discernment discerning only if you can discern spiritually you can discern what god is saying Right what god is doing There's a very thin line between discerning and judging You think you're discerning but what you're doing is actually judging I discern in my spirit that this boy here is uh You know And so that discernment is a huge element in prophetic thing When you're moving in the in the prophetic you need to uh Yeah Something that we all need to grow and continue to grow and uh because it is so powerful As human beings because we are in the flesh we can tend to get arrogant I moved in the prophetic yesterday. So he you know putting god in the box saying okay, he will move in the same way today You know is what is happening is you're not discerning Right david constantly inquired of the lord You read about it in in first chronicles towards the end Every time he went in the war he inquired of the lord the scripture says before like will you give the philistines into my hand now God will say go second time as will you give the philistines? I will give you go third time inquired of the lord again. He says will you give like no Go wait near the balsam trees when you hear the sound of an army marching then go That's discerning, isn't it? What is happening? He's moving in the prophetic But he's constantly You know leaning yeah waiting for god's instruction. So that is prophetic ministries Is beyond the science and wonders and everything what a prophetic gift can do the core of it is are you listening to god Because he will want to move in a way now like never before like how we moved yesterday That is basically what prophetic ministry is All right Everybody alive Okay Okay, let's move on now to the more practical Points and of looking at stages of growth Most of these points here are kind of borrowed from the book called apostolic strategies affecting nations by dr. Jonathan david And so pastor has taken that and it's kind of added some adapted some key points to these his points. Okay So stages of growth Ah, yeah Sorry, I miss out and thanks for bringing that up. Yeah disagreement between two key leaders Paul and Barnabas. So who was Barnabas? Son of encouragement and he was also the lead pastor the first pastor of the church of Antioch Paul is another key leader Barnabas brings in Paul Okay, uh, but there was Disagreement Uh, what is going on going to say caused these leaders not only part company. That means they went their own way But perhaps even distance themselves from the Antioch church That means Barnabas left his pastoral responsibilities and he left Paul left What are the church members doing? Okay, so We do not hear from them returning for any length of time to Antioch until Paul visits much later in act chapter 18 verse 22 So two things what you can do is So in act chapter 15, it says that they left you can go back to the pdf and see which year And then you can go back to the pdf and you can see which which year is acts 18. What's the time gap between that? What was he doing? That's none of our business. But yeah The church seemed to have continued but without its two main leaders Not much is mentioned about the Antioch church after that. Okay So not everything was flowers and roses walk in the park kind of thing There was disagreement They behaved like a normal church as well I mean in today's context So, uh, I don't know that I Yeah, I Yeah, I don't really know But maybe Paul was Paul was Paul was very radical He was saved in a very radical way and the things that he believed was also very radical, right? um Yeah, I think as leaders one of the things that we need to remember A important leaders is disagreement is not I can disagree with you and still be respectful Disagreement does not necessarily means disrespectful Right, and I many many times that I disagree with pastor Ashish but As we have a conversation, right? Okay. Can we do this? Can we do that? Like no, I'll say pastor. I don't think we need to do this. What am I doing? I'm disagreeing with him, but that doesn't mean they're like What I what point I you know, it's there's a difference, isn't it? And I think see disagreement has to happen It is bound to happen when there are one or two people to come together But how you continue to You know balance that out or work that out is or sort that out will show your maturity Right. Um, so refusing to get offended because you disagreed with the person is very important Right, are you pointing because of It could be I mean, but I think mark Mark and paul had some direct disagreements as well I think something must have happened between them and so and then you see here you hear paul saying that later No, it's like mark went back. He didn't want to come Yeah It's awesome guys. I mean they were normal people, isn't it? It's as much as they moved in in in the supernatural in the prophetic and they were doing some amazing things Achieving some great things And all of these points out to that there were normal people as well, isn't it? So It's okay Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So one of the first stages It's the stages of growth in a church is what is known as the pioneering stage What is the meaning of pioneer? Start something okay Or be the first to start something Like a trailblazer, you know Trailblazer is a modern way of saying pioneering. So that means nobody before has done something what you are doing Actually, you are setting the trend kind of a thing. So that's what a pioneering is right Be the first to use or apply a new method or whatever So the first stage of growth is pioneering stage Okay, so should we all just stand up and do some stretches? So shall we y'all want to We can it's okay Okay, let's all stand because um, so here in class we're going to take a minute break. Okay Because something interesting is happening. Uh, they've been sitting for a while I know you've been sitting so you back home can also just stand up and Stretch your arms your legs your feet If you want to take a minute go wash your face as well The person who's supposed to be doing is not doing Something something That is not stretching Done done stretch your legs your thighs Okay, all right. I hope every one of you Did that as well We had we had one student who left the class now She probably wanted to go out and stretch so Okay, let's come back pioneering stage. Uh, where are we in in the hard copy which page are we on? 44, okay stages of growth and the pdf we are in 29 Um, so the first point the church planting team and leaders establish commitment to a territory Where the lord has sent them Okay laying the groundwork through prayer intercession reaching out building bridges with the community that is being reached Third it is the foundation laying stage you are going down instead of going up It's one of the most important stages Uh, you know in in the growth is the pioneering stage god tells you to go to a region You're going to a region where you you don't know anything about you don't know the people you don't know the culture But what are you going to do? First you say yes to that call Establish commitment. Yes lord. I will go there Uh, I don't know the language, but I will go Where the lord, you know, so you establish commitment you uh, and then second point says laying the groundwork through prayer intercession Um reaching out building bridges. So what you do is begin with prayer you intercede for that land You ask god, okay lord, you sent me here. Why did you send me here? What is it that you want me to do here? Show me speak to me Okay, all of that is pioneering stages and then he goes on to and then he might lead you. Okay. Go and meet this person Go and meet that person In uh, in case of paul, uh, you know in acts chapter nine paul is uh Paul is where is he was on the road to Damascus. So he's there but god tells ananias To go and anoint him Right. So god is speaking. He's saying something and so what is happening is you are building network you're building bridges So basically building bridges is nothing but building network or build establishing contacts You get to know, okay. Who are the other, you know, ministry leaders? Is there any senior pastors in the church there or any big churches that you can know of? Okay, it is the foundation laying stage you are going down instead of going up So Your hands are getting dirty Okay, that means it's groundwork is involved. You are you know, it's uh, it might not seem like the most fancy stages You might you might feel like giving up at this stage because you're building bridges. Nothing. It seems to be happening Lord, why am I here one year? I'm here. You haven't spoken to me. What are you doing? Etc. Etc. You might feel like giving up but it's a very it's a kind of a Make or break kind of a stage the pioneering stage. Okay um, the second stage is administrative Organizational and structural stage can someone just go through those points. Please take the mic and uh Two points As the con as the congregation begins to grow establish well defined Systems and processes to serve the people Assign roles and functions for various ministries that the Lord releases in your midst Establish godly standards and guidelines for ministry Teams so that new members who come and uphold these values Okay, as the congregation begins to grow Establish well defined systems and processes to serve the people Assign roles and functions for various ministries as the Lord releases in your midst. Okay. Uh, next point see you rather Do now what you will do even after you have increased in numbers put processes in place when you have 50 people in attendance Which you will maintain when you are 500 people or 5000 people Okay, awesome. Thank you. So This point is the point of faith Isn't it so you establish system process in place you don't say okay, let it grow to 100 people then I will bring this in Right, let's let's work on the system right now when you have five people 10 people work on the system like you have 5 000 You know people already. So, uh, that's one of the And that that will set you up for success in the future. Okay, the next point new ministries can be births New ministries can be birthed there by the spirit In one of two ways the Lord gives a vision of what needs to be done And as you declare that vision God is rise up Stress up people who will step into it and carry it out. Yeah, the Lord and it is or send people with certain gifts and callings and you recognize these and create opportunities for them To function and in new ministries or ministries ministries are birthed Okay, so the first point is the new ministries are birthed now What in a church you just began as a senior pastor a leader you just started the church new ministries are birthed The key thing there is new ministries can be birthed by the spirit So again, you're leaning on God's guidance and the Lord gives a vision A lot gives a vision gives you a burden for the youth. So you start youth ministry Okay, the Lord might give you a vision or a burden for the children. So you start children ministry Right, and then God stirs up, you know, who will step in and carry it out. The second thing is the Lord may raise That means one among you will be raised Or God might bring another person in who's you know, who can run that particular ministry Okay, so this is the second stage administrative organizational structural stage You will learn more about all these administrative parts in the church administrative Administration course in third year In more detailed fashion and that's a very important course. Um, I think Just to understand the importance of administration in a church in a ministry in general, okay So any questions any thoughts you want to share regarding this administrative or organizational structural stage Goals in the church is one of the important thing we had to do in the churches Yeah, local churches Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, okay. So now that you have gone through the pioneering stage. That means you haven't given up Okay, you're successfully come to the second stage where you're planning your setting up systems in place Then comes the pastoral team stage team ministry senior pastor stage. Okay. Can someone go through those points, please Establish a leadership team to carry out several areas of the ministry The founding pastor moves into a senior pastor role providing overall vision and direction for growth and expansion Continuously create room and opportunity for developing leaders who understand and are committed to the vision God has given spend time nurturing new leaders The more trust you give the more faithful your leaders will be okay So the first point there is establish a leadership team to carry out several areas of the ministry um, see As the main leader of the church of a ministry you can't you cannot do everything all by yourself Right, uh, no it can happen two ways One is it can happen for two reasons. One is because you don't trust anybody Okay Should I give this leadership responsibility to island? I know I don't trust him Right. You're not willing to take that risk to trust or put your faith Um, the second thing reason could be you want all the glory and honor praise and power You see in some of the movie titles. So think they are not okay screenplay direction dialogue everything music by one person Okay Youth ministry pastor same pastor. It's just ministry same pastor. Okay Everything one person That that's related. No with the second reason because you want all the glory. Why because you can be seen secure You I shall share my glory with no other Right, um, but it's you cannot Isn't it, uh, I mean we can that's a key example is jesus himself He built a disciples. Okay 12 and then later you see growing up to 72, uh, you know and then all over the world Um The founding pastor moves into senior pastor role providing overall vision So it is the responsibility of the senior pastor group provides the overall vision for the ministry for the church, etc Okay, and everybody comes under his leadership to serve that vision Okay, the more trust you give the more faithful your leaders will be. Okay. This is very again key I again forgive me if I keep saying every point is important every point is key, but being in ministry for Short amount of time it says the more trust you give your leaders You will learn two things again. You know that they are capable of handling that And or the second thing is you know that they are not capable of handling that So you will give that responsibility to someone else Isn't it either way you are learning something are you with me so, uh, you trust them You you choose them you say, okay, can you do this if they say yes, and I'm kind of like that if they say yes Let your yes be yes. Let your no be no. I'm like that kind of a person. So Um, so it's very important that you trust your leaders. See what they come up with. Okay It'll give them the freedom to explore whatever they want. So that is the pastoral stage anybody in that station Okay, is there anybody in anybody in any stage right now? Sri radha is in which stage No stage Okay All right Then next comes the equipping building stage trainer stage someone else read that please. Let's go through those points Focuses on equipping the same so that the entire church is mobilized into ministry It is no longer just the leaders doing the ministry, but Everyone is involved emphasis on supernatural ministry and uh Moving everyone into the realms into the realm of science and wonders and the prophetic The senior pastor focuses on equipping and imparting While much of the pastoral Care ministry is provided by others in the pastoral team the church Begins to penetrate the community and catches a vision for the missions Believers are ministering to one another into the world Okay So anything that you want to add or whatever you what do you take away from those uh, those two points What is your understanding of that? We should equip other Our congregation of believers to go and minister Okay We should impart what god has given us to them so that they will go and impart what is What is the meaning of equipping again? We use that word so much train Okay Everything is correct guys Yeah train Nurture what is nurturing to help them grow You take care of them. Okay We use that in the context say a mother is nurturing a nurturing a child So, you know, it helps With feeding taking care because a child can't help itself. It can't feed itself. It can't even sleep by itself Okay You know, so and all of that is you're walking with them This is a stage where you're walking hand in hand with them until you realize that they can take care of themselves right, so that's Equipping stage overall is discipling is what jesus did with the disciples is he walked hand in hand with them Right, he let them see what he's doing He let them see how he teaches how he preaches all of that, right? So that's the equipping stage. Um, there is a progression to the mentoring stage We just recently finished a series on mentoring Revisit that sermon series when you can and if you can So there is a progression to this equipping stage that we talk about And that can come in any different shape equipping stage can also be a mentoring stage Okay, so the progression that I believe is Uh, so if I'm your mentor I take you under my wings and say, okay Uh, all right prince. I'm going to do I will do it You watch me do it Okay, that's one one of the progression and then Let us do it together Let's do this, you know, whatever it is and then you do it by yourself And then you go train others You see the progression is okay. I take him under my wings He I do it and I show him as an example And then eventually we do it together It's okay. And then He does it. I watch him do it I give him feedbacks if necessary and they become a stage where he's ready and he can go and do the same thing Okay, so that is the equipping stage is you take a person under your wings And you get you walk with them until the you know that they are ready And then you can let them go Okay, and final stage is the apostolic function stage Okay, this can someone go through that please Um establish an apostolic mindset outward focus rather than a focus on internal care All other process in place to continue to equip the saints the senior pastor and others are more free to go out And gain new territory for the kingdom of god, right? The church begins to actively reproduce itself in regions beyond Believers have an apostolic mindset and are ready to sacrifice go to new places and extend God's kingdom to other regions the local church becomes More of a mission base rather than a spiritual nursery Right awesome. Thanks Nina. Okay, so establish an apostolic mindset outward focus rather than the focus on internal care Um See now there are two kinds of people in the church, right? Uh, we both of them are important one is uh people who go Right who go out to do the work of the lord And if you're if you're either not going to do the work of the lord You should be under the category of you sending the people So you either send or you go Right. Um, and so with the church that I used to be part of used to take separate offering just for missions It was called the missions offering And so people who give in other words They're helping the missionaries or they're sending the missionaries and other they're supporting them, right? We see the anti-org church was that they were not just the missions base They supported the church in jerusalem in the case study you see Are you with me that's what that means they had this apostolic mindset Okay, they would go they would also support. Um, and then you know, it's very easy for us In this day and age especially it's like Go don't go don't go don't go be in this church If you go then the number number will reduce What do you want to do inside the church? Okay, uh, I'm gonna say pastor, but uh, god has told me to go is why you want to go all that No, no, no, no Let me stay here. No, um But the church grew by sending people out Right again, I talk about the river has to flow Isn't it? Um, and And so that's a very key important for us to have the mindset of an apostle apostolic function stage So from the pioneering stage you've laid the foundations And you've got you have the system for your ministry to function You've set the vision right, uh, and everything and now you're You know your ministry is grown Let it not be stagnant Let it flow Encourage people to go. Okay, and that comes with equipping as well. Okay. Are you all with me guys? Yeah, um, so any questions any thoughts that you'll want to share Because I want to leave the last part of the chapter for you all to just go through that. Okay, it's uh This time for reading is kind of important The conclusion part of where constantly move people forward Bridging people across two levels. I want you all to read that Uh when you can But I want to pause here and any questions or any thoughts that you want to share Something that kind of stood out to you in this chapter that we spoke about We have four minutes Uh, this last part like what he just said about um Um Your church will grow if you send out people So actually we would think like we are actually losing but actually we are gaining when we're losing something. Yeah. Yeah Yeah It's very important to have that mindset from the beginning Like if I have that mindset in the pioneering stage or in the administrative stage as a pastor to say, okay Right now there is zero members in the church. There will come a time of say 500 people At that time there will be some individuals who would want to go out So if I prepare myself from that stage and have that mindset And I will have no problem when I actually hit the mark of 500 to send people out Yeah, you're preparing for that. You're thinking big Yeah Yay, Francis bring yay Come on Francis Actually, I hear in a story like this not sorry real thing like on pastor Train learn like one person he took one person and trade but what happened at last is he separated church and he started another ministry Okay So how to handle that situation like in case we are start We are doing we are keeping another few days if they are doing like that So how do you do on thing? Yeah, see now I let's say you you've been part of my church I've been equipping you and whatnot right and you come and tell me Like pastor the lord has given me a burden to start another church and whatnot. So see The depth of that conversation between you and me will be based on the the freedom that you and I have Or the relationship that you and I have you trust me enough to come and tell me that okay This pastor is not going to get angry, but he understands You know if I he will understand That okay. God has told me to start a new church and so if I am in line with God with his spirit I will I will bless you and I will send you off Yeah, so there has been a misunderstanding between the two leaders Isn't it so uh and any misunderstanding can be solved That means misunderstanding is because of miscommunication that has led to separation of parting of this church leaders Okay Okay Everything comes down to that point of communication. No, so see you you want to start a new church You can communicate by telling. Okay. What do you want to communicate? Is it do you want members from that church again? It talks My point is that Yeah, it is like that, but see again Why am I say I understand what what you're saying? Okay, but why am I stressing on communication in at first at apc What do we announce? We ask first time visitors to stand. What do we say? What does pastor say every sunday? Yes What we encourage is to for you to remain faithful in that church. Okay, but if you are looking for a home home church What is he doing? He's communicating isn't it? So if I if I'm one of those leaders who's parting ways from a church I will communicate. He's like, hey You found a home church be faithful to it. It comes from it is born from that place, isn't it? Now if my intention is to start a church and divide the church the beginning itself is wrong Right, the initial process of that the thought itself is uh, it's not right. I would say isn't it Now the people wanting to go there is a secondary because it's their choice now You can choose to be with me or you can choose to go It is their choice The question it comes is based on the leadership. Isn't it the thought the intention behind it You you know in so many cases you don't even give that option to the people. So How is prophecy to be tested to keep it in perspective? Um, okay, Nina. We'll see if you can address that question next class. Um, I'm sure it'll also be addressed in the Um prophetic ministry course, but yeah, we'll try and address that All right, guys. Thank you for joining in. God bless you. I hope you had a good time and learned something Next week. See you