 All righty then. Welcome to EFAP 124, could be 125 actually. 124, yeah totally 124. And people are gonna be like, wait when was this live? I missed this live. Well, look, chat's not even moving. They're dead. Chat's not even moving. I know right, this is pretty horrifying. And people are really like, wait why? Why didn't you do it live? Because the live slot was already taken and we don't have as much time and we gotta get another amount of steel coverage done. All these different reasons. Okay, EFAP community. Are we not live? Just a pre, no. Oh, okay. So it'll just be a bonus EFAP that pops out. In the same way that we kind of do meme fabs, which by the way doubles up pretty well because the amount of steel video we're covering, I am not sure from the parts that I've checked out that we'll be okay streaming a lot of the visuals from it because there's a lot of extended moments that aren't even from the movie. There's lots of like, I don't know, things, but this way we will be completely safe. Um, yeah, how's everyone doing? You're all right? Yeah, so it's all good. Yeah, I'm all right. Things are okay. I'm having some kebab right now. I'm doing dandy. I just saw Fellowship of the Ring and IMAX last night and that was amazing and now I get to talk about Man of Steel, which is about the opposite end of the quality scale. So that's great. I'm sure Man of Steel and IMAX is totally awesome and great. So, yeah. Yeah, I get even a bigger headache from watching in IMAX. So, um, this is kind of a little bit off topic, but I think it's amusing. My, uh, this is a subreddit called Shitty Dark Souls, I guess, and my video for the Dark Souls 2 series got posted there. The whole subreddit about Dark Souls 2? Oh, no. Um, but it seems like, because I saw the thread and a lot of people were like, yeah, his videos are shit, but there was lots of people like, they're actually kind of good, though, in fairness. Like the Dark Souls 2 has a lot of problems. And someone had to do me with this selection of comments I thought were amusing. So you got someone's shitting on just my videos in general and they go, please, for the love of God, can you people actually watch even a second of that video before pulling this rhetoric? I think it relates to the Joker, um, uh, J. Nicholson one. And the response is, I can't because I have a job at basic responsibilities. This is so don't form stronger opinions on something you aren't properly informed about. So that's pretty simple. Then you go, no, I've already watched Joker and Nicholson's review. I'm not watching a 12 hour review of a review. That's the death of creativity itself. Oh my goodness. Oh, hey. I love the fact that, like, that thread begins with, uh, with that dude getting upvoted and then it just goes straight down the down. Yeah, I mean, death of creativity itself. I think I'll go like a Goodell bit request. I guess this is official. You felt the death of creativity. It's not watching a 12 hour review. Imagine that was something we did, which by the way would be totally fine, but it's not even something we did. Oh, I could even watch you type it out. That's so sad. Yeah. The death of creativity itself. That's such a villain line here. Really talked about her for how long was it? Four hours or so? Um, someone chopped out all of our tangents and it was a three hour video, I believe. Oh, that's not that long, especially when you talk about all the, when she'd said so many things that were like bizarre and wrong. Um, speaking of that, someone, they just shared a comment from someone who's a fatter J. Nicholson saying this. I don't even know what the site is. I just thought this was funny. Jenny Nicholson is such a likable personality that it takes an effort of personal will to stop myself from trying to form a parasocial relationship with her. Just shockingly engaging with somebody who has effectively built an entire career around talking into a camera. You know, you can just say that you, that you watch her because you find her attractive, right? Perfectly okay to admit that. I feel like if you're aware of parasocial relationships, then you should be able to resist, but they're even aware and they're still getting sucked in. They can't help it. I'm glad they enjoy. Nice and strange. Very strange. Um, yeah, I can't remember if we brought this up, but Sophistic Autistic in the Discord wanted to make sure it was mentioned. I couldn't remember if we did or not, but I just got, um, got, yeah. Now mention the part where Jor-El says that he hoped Clark would be a bridge between two people and then play the clip with Superman Yells that Krypton had its chance. Yeah, when they sent out a movie, I was like, what, what do they mean by that? That bridge had its chance. Jor-El watched him detonate all of those embryos and he's like, oh my God, like what the fuck, Clark? And he's like, I mean, I made my choice, bro. That's the one thing I didn't want to ever die. It was my choice to make. All right, emotional. Um, and yeah, I saw about three, uh, different individual comments that in some way was upset that we had shat on Blinkist that were like, do you guys actually have no idea how Blinkist is useful? Which wasn't our argument at all. We didn't say Blinkist couldn't be useful. We said that it's fucking embarrassment compared to reading books, summarizing from who I was. I wouldn't be surprised if it was counter useful. It well, it certainly could be, right? Theoretically, but at the same time. You knew more than you did. So I'm trying to concoct a scenario where it would be useful for me and I'm like, oh, I don't know. Do I want to read this? You know, like a book synopsis or review could be useful. And it's like, if that's what Blinkist is doing, why pay for that? When you get like a Cliffs Notes version of like Shakespeare. I mean, I thought it was trying to purport itself as like a, you don't have to, because that's what Phil Bento said. You don't have to read the book. You could just read the rating as an obligation. Well, it's a tough thing to do. It would be different if it was because these, um, these summaries that Blinkist was talking about, they're like 10, 15 minutes. If they were an hour, then I'd be like, you know, an hour of someone who knows what they're talking about, talking about a subject, you could probably gleam it some, you know, something from that. If they're, if you're like a lecture, like if you're listening to an hour long lecture of someone talk about a movie or talk about a book or talk about something, but it's not even an hour. It's like 10, 15 minutes bullet points. The fundamental point is the book is the length that it is on purpose. That was on purpose. Our videos aren't as long as they are on purpose. They just end up being 12 hours long. But you know, if you write a book and then you edit it and rewrite it and everything, and it has all this content and you try to construct an argument and then a bunch of that gets cut out, like, yeah, something's lost there. I don't know what to tell you, like a summary, you lose something. Now is Blinkist doing the summaries of fictional books or just non-fiction? Non-fiction. I feel like there's just a lot of advice that you're going to be missing out on if you are just sticking to the Blinkist. Yeah. Also the context of certain pieces of advice, you know, like what it's all surrounding. I feel like with Cliffs Notes or Spark Notes, if you read that as well as, like, I don't know, so if you're reading a Shakespeare play and then you're reading the Cliffs Notes and Spark Notes version as kind of like, what's the word, sort of additional, it's accompanying, accompanying sort of content. Yeah, that can help enhance your experience of reading Shakespeare and you can understand it a little more clearly, but if you're just reading the Cliffs Notes version and you're not reading the actual play, like, what are you doing? Who has ever looked at a recommended video that's something you've seen back in the day and then you're like, I remember when that video came out and then you checked the upload and it's like nine years ago and you're like, oh my god. Also, apparently in my recommended now, it's been infected with Man of Steel. Brown Table's got a Man of Steel video and it's called Man of Steel is not Norfolk movie. What is it with these people? How are they so wrong about these soft balls, you know? Oh no, Man of Steel was terrible. Man of Steel was corrupted from everything you've seen from these people. Okay, now you see what that's up to. Never know what they're going to consider. Like, oh yeah, homecoming is shit, but Man of Steel is not awful. Well, in fairness, Man of Steel got Superman right, but homecoming got Spider-Man wrong. That's the kind of weird old will for dealing with. Nothing more Superman than Krypton had his chance. Oh yeah. Speaking of, I believe it is time for us to jump into what we hope to do on the other stream, but you see we ran over the proverbial limit of just existence, you know? Sometimes you just get tired and that's the sad reality. This one is especially interesting because last time we were looking at Filmento calling it perfect, this one is called Why You're Wrong About Man of Steel and it makes reference to being objectively wrong. Oh boy. How exciting. I can't wait for, I can't wait to have them tell us how they feel. It's finally, that's loud. It's finally. Okay, yeah, so here we go. Into, into the fray. It's finally time for Batman and Superman to settle their differences with violence in Glorious 3 and also 2D, and that calls for a re-examination of Man of Steel, a movie that is without question the most divisive and polarizing comic book movie ever. Yeah, is it shit? Is it though? Also, it's not. It is divisive, but most divisive? No, no, no, no, no, no. So this was made in 2016. We can't count movies made in 2016. Ah, is it the most divisive superhero movie? What is, what would you guys think is the most divisive superhero movie prior to 2016? Probably the Dark Knight Rises. I would have gone with Dark Knight Rises, yeah. That's a good shout. Let me see. Blade. Didn't people like Blade? I don't know. I don't just like throwing that out there. What about Blade Trinity? Oh, yeah, that was, well, that was just hated. I don't think that was divisive. Where's Blade, Blade 2, Blade Trinity? We should watch that one sometime. Blade Return of Blade, Blade High Voltage. Oh, the Crank movies, they look good too. Yeah, well, Blade Crank. This was up there apparently. I remember being talked about, divisive, I suppose. I mean, it created the Snyder fandom, right? So it must have been in some way. I mean, it's probably divisive because it's really bad. I think that's why this one's divisive because it's really, really bad. It's a huge budget. It's Zack Snyder. It's Superman. It's kind of divisive in the same way that like the last Jedi was, I feel, where there's this like, it's so terrible and yet there's this group of people that so desperately want to believe that it's good. But it's Star Wars. How about that? People like TLJ comes out and people tell themselves that Star Wars has never been awful before. Okay, all right. They'll just like reshape their standards and warp reality to make it seem like the movie's better than it really is. Films aren't about logic. All right. Well, there you go. Like, Paper Throne Season 8. Neither are your videos. The most divisive and polarizing comic book movie ever made. People either really love it or really hate it, or they liked it except for that one part they hated it. I don't think I hate Man of Steel. I feel very, eh, about that movie. I mean, I just, yeah, I don't, I don't emotionally have any kind of connection to this. It's just a really bad movie. And most really bad movies I just see as really bad movies. We think the level of hatred for Man of Steel is totally unreasonable, and we wanted to address some of its criticisms. All right. This is the two guys that would do this channel together, I guess. Oh, so they're both wrong? All right. Yeah, I know, right? That hopefully you'll be able to go into the sequel with a fresh understanding of the prequel to the sequel. Sweet. Man of Steel's criticisms range from superficial to legitimate to factually incorrect, and we've observed that most of the people who hate the film... But there's none that are correct? No, he said, he said some of them are legitimate, so. Oh, okay. ...are basing their opinions on the latter. What we want to do is show you the most common criticisms, subjective or not, and then respond to them through creator commentary, comic book history, clips from the movie, and common sense so that you can ask yourself whether you're objective... Common sense. Common sense in this movie are like in different universes. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if we can counter such common sense claims with possibly common sense. Who knows? Probably wrong about your own opinion. And if so, maybe you can enjoy the film with Newfound appreciation. But first, we got to talk about... I like the idea that it just implies that we're on the T-Book. Maybe we could hate... Like you hate it with Newfound passion. Sweet. Or this will do what most videos do that we cover, which is just reconfirm for us why the movie is terrible. With its terrible defenses. One of the things I've seen a lot with the amount of steel defenses is inventing a lot of shit that just wasn't in the film. Like how meaningful a lot of the interactions between all these characters are when they state attributes you could possibly draw from the film, but conflicts and conclusions that just aren't even in it. They should be like, didn't you see the incredible conflict between Zod and Kal-El as creatures of choice versus no choice? And how that... And he just like said, I was like, what are you... What? Where? Where do you see this shit? That one in the movie. It's never really emphasized. They certainly try to throw that stuff into the film, but it seems so half-baked and it didn't seem to have any kind of conclusion. And it's also at odds with the idea that Zod is a very well-developed and meaningful and understandable character when you want to argue that he's got no choice. Like, so he's just like a robot or an automaton. Would you guys say that this film struggles a lot with just focus in general? Like it doesn't seem to know what kind of arc it wants to give Clark. It doesn't seem to understand what theme it would want to focus on. Not to mention the meandering first hour that has just no focus at all and has these really strangely arranged cutting back between the present and the past. It's like, I feel like if you rearrange the order of some of the flashbacks, then the story becomes a little bit more coherent, but it doesn't actually save the movie. It might be a core issue because they clearly wanted to explain, I guess, how he becomes the Superman that we're more familiar with. That's what this film is clearly supposed to be. But they did it so bad. Like at the end, they remember it. When are you going to become a person who's super interested in just like goodness and saving people and defending even to the point of just being like American values? Like that sort of thing. Like, so where does he start? It's going to be like, well, he doesn't have those things and he has to gain them. It's like, so where are you? Well, hmm, where does he gain them? It's like, I guess at the end of the movie when he brings down the drone, it feels like that was the scene where they just sort of remembered that he has to say something like that. Well, I mean, that seems really weird because he's like, yeah, I'll look after you guys. But stop fucking looking at me. Okay, I'm from I'm from Kansas. I don't want to hurt America. Yeah, that was that was weird. It's like, why would I be alive from Kansas? Like, wait, what? Like, first of all, why? Why did you just narrow down their search? Secondly, how do they know for sure that you're from Kansas? Like, do you have any type of way to confirm to verify that? Or for all they know, you know, you could just be saying that you're from Kansas. And that's why you're not going to hurt anyone, you know, lying ass alien. Yeah, I guess what I'm getting at is like, so they want to go from not wanting to save everybody to wanting to save everybody. And so if you can't really start them in that position, you have to be saving people already that it's like, do you want to choose to put yourself in a position where you're always doing that for humans? And then he has that thing of like, I guess I'll give humans a chance. But we're all just sitting here lost. Yeah, like, why do you feel the way that you do about things? Where the fuck did this come from? Like, if you... Because the old movies made it very clear. It was very explicit in the old movies. Why, you know, Clark is such a good person. And this one, you're like, why is he good? Is he just because he has to be? Or what? I guess he is. Better articulate this in terms of, I guess I'll try and do a comparison. You know, like everyone knows the point in Iron Man where he's perfecting the suit he made in the cave and then he sees the news report about people suffering in relation to weapons being changing hands and stuff and he's working on his little arm and then he, you know, figures out weaponizing it and then he's like, this is it. He has a choice. He can put himself at risk as well as, you know, pissing off potential governments and I don't know, different situations by going in there and doing what he thinks is right or you can sit at home where he's safe. And there's of course the underlying element that he's trying to make up for having provided these weapons to these people. So there's like a meaningful choice there. Like he's, you go from, he was before and after someone who would like to help people but like how much danger he's putting himself in. Meanwhile with Superman, it's kind of strange. Like he, I'll give humans a chance. Yeah, he's a really bizarre kind of character. Very poorly written, very, very poorly informed. If you make a Superman movie, this is like textbook what not to do. It leaves people confused when they watch the movie as to why he is the way he is. Because like you jump to other ones. Like what was Thor? Like what Thor's was like full on arrogance and vanity that he was the best and he should be the leader and he's awesome and stuff. And then his movie is about, you know, being brought down to the people level and choosing to fight and protect them even without his power, which makes him worthy of getting me all near back. Like, oh, that's a neat arc. Because you've got the constant which is wanting to help people which I think all of these heroes have is just that they have a flaw that they need to sort of deal with. Because like even caps like limits where his body is, his values are always in place. But this, it's like this film wants to argue that Superman gained these values. This is the journey for it. But I just don't really see it. Yeah, he just ends up a good guy. And you have no idea how we got here. He doesn't seem happy about it. Yeah, he like in his rest, like in BBS they probably carry, he carried this through where he just like almost boringly and begrudgingly is saving people. He's just there. He's like Mopey. He's just so blank. Like he doesn't want to be there. Like this is a waste of his time. Because even Doctor Strange, right? Because I know people are going to get pissed now if I'm referencing Marvel. Just like, okay, fine. But you know, like how he's an asshole who only cares about himself. But his interest is that like the universe is going to crumble if he doesn't defeat Kaeselius and the army of people who's serving Dolmammu. And then he appoints himself after the, what's your name, dies as like the protector of Earth as a dimension or whatever. So now he's going to, in a way that's like this is my place, you don't fuck with it, that sort of thing. And so what I'm arguing is like he's still managed to find a way to make this absolute asshole of a character because like that's, he's mean to everybody. Put in the position in a way that like makes a lot of sense. And I just, I don't get it with Clark in this movie. Don't get it at all. Well, I mean, that's kind of the interesting thing about like the MCU is that for the most part the characters are fairly solid. Yeah. You know, there are, there are a lot of issues. Yeah. But the characters are generally pretty informed and you understand, I guess, what their motivation is to be a hero is to save the world or something. But here, yeah, Clark seems really upset about having us to go around and help people. And Batman's just an asshole. He has a sword. It doesn't make any sense. It's odd saying that if you don't give yourself up, I'm going to make the whole world suffer. And then he goes to the church like, should I give myself up? It's like the whole world suffers. Why is this a hard choice? I'm glad you pulled through in the end, but fuck me. Yeah, that's it. That's it right there. So maybe this video will help explain to us why this is a meaningful arc. Especially because for all he knows, it's like, oh, I'm a super human being. Whatever I have to lose, just go there. Exactly. He's like, at least with eyes. I'm a dude in a metal suit. So there is a degree of danger, you know. Yeah, but newfound appreciation. But first, we got to talk about some trivial nonsense that barely counts as legitimate criticism. Such as too much product placement. OK, I've never heard. Yeah. Until you mentioned it, I'd never heard this. Yeah. Cinema sins and nostalgia critic, I think, pointed this out as well. The first thing most people think of will be IHOP. Yeah, that's what I mentioned is IHOP. That's kind of the only one that comes to mind. Principally with product placement, though, I don't know that I've ever seen a movie where I've been like, this is ruining the film now. Like the product placement. No. Yeah, you just noticed that. I usually, yeah. That's usually as far as it goes. I just go like, oh, man, it must have been paid a lot by, you know, insert company. Yeah. It's one of the only leftovers conveniently placed. And that doesn't go further than that. Like it's one thing to have like a Sony laptop show up and then the character that uses the Sony laptop saying, hey, I got this, the Sony laptop. It's really good. And like they're actually doing an advertisement in a movie where like that is obstructive. However, when you're just seeing a logo, I don't give a shit. That's an interesting point in terms of like, it would be, we'd be pointing out as bad dialogue because people don't speak this way. And then we could point to, it's likely product placement is the reason this dialogue was so shit, but it didn't have to be. Or I guess maybe if it was mandated by whatever deal they made, but yeah. This is not one of my criticisms. I don't care that much. I found it amusing at most. I, yeah, I don't care myself. It's basically an epic at best. Making movies is expensive. The most expensive kind of movie to make is a summer blockbuster. Well, it's expensive. You chose to make an expensive movie. Yeah. Yeah, wait, oh no, we, they didn't have to do any defenses of this, but if the first one is, hey, people got to make movies, I'd be like, oh no. It was like, hey, I need money. So Raid Shadow Legends is fine. Yeah, like let's not use the, well, we needed the money argument. You don't need that argument. Throw it out. You can make other arguments such as fucking, I don't know, the deal you made. There was no harm in using iHop in the film because iHop is a real thing and it's having its money being able to fund the film in exchange for nothing in terms of a breach is fine. That's what I would actually say. I'm typically less distracted by non-fictional brands showing up in fictional movies than fictional brands where they're like having to make one up from scratch. Where it's like, they're obviously trying to, yeah, I don't know. Superman's having a big fight at the pancake. At the big belly burger or something. Do you remember Magnavox and Sony? No, that is Simpsons. I know that there are a lot of good ones and I'm, yeah, like cartoons. Yeah, like sometimes it makes sense like with Breaking Bad and Los Puegos or Manos and the company that owns them. You don't want to use an actual company. Manos just felt nice and real to me when I was watching it. It's like, I could, well, yeah. Yeah, it's like, there's times where of course it makes sense to do that. And, you know, depending on execution, it can work. It's just, it doesn't distract me at all to see these brands show up in a fictional film. So I didn't need this defense, but it's fine. This one is reported to have cost 225 million dollars tied at number 12 with the Hobbit and a few pieces of garbage on the most expensive movies of all time. The Hobbit is a piece of garbage, though. Yeah, let's see. We have Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian. That was 225 million. Gosh, fucking hell. Jesus Christ, I had no idea that movie was so goddamn expensive. Dude, the Pirates of the Caribbean on Stranger Tides was 370 fucking 9K. I mean, millions. Damn, and then. You serious? Why? Which one? Which one is that? The fourth one. That's the fourth one, yeah. Damn. Oh, what a waste of money. Venju has Ultron. John Carter. Tangled. Spider-Man 3 was 258. Geez. See, kids, more money does not equal better. That's just not how it works. Look at the difference between number one and number two. Yeah. That's $79 million difference. Yeah, Spectre, which is one of the less well-received Bond films of recent memory. Thank God, man. I don't know how much Inspector Gadget was to make. Let me check. Wait, why did you want to check that specifically? Oh, I don't know. He said Spectre, and so I thought Inspector Gadget. I don't know. It's $75 million for Inspector Gadget. Is the most expensive X-Men movie really the last stand? That's sad. When was this list updated last? I'm guessing. Well, this probably would have been 2016. So yeah, they don't want to adjust. Okay. Well, yeah, I guess so. Anyway. That's the great and powerful. Where would you suggest they get that kind of money for that? Anything but product placement. That is not allowed. Looking for Keith Ross. Do you know him? Yeah, he was the guy I have. But product placement paid for over 70% of the film's budget. I guess the argument would be that since there's too much CG and too much action, if they cut some of that out... There is not too much action. Well, too much CG and too much action. That's not the format of criticism I would deliver. That's not quite... Yeah, I'd be like, but this is supposed to be very real and grounded. And so they're using real places that you could actually go to to add a sense of realism and authenticity to the setting. And then I would move on to the next point. I almost want to steal man these people. I'd be like, so what you need to do is find out what the criticism is. And if they say it distracts me, all you have to do is respond. It doesn't distract me. Because that's entirely subjective. Whether or not you are pulled out of a movie because you spot the word IHOP. Wouldn't touch and there wouldn't have to be so much product placement. But if too much action is your opinion, then that must also be your opinion of the Avengers. They're buying the stop. Oh, why are you making such bad arguments? Oh, it's what about us. Oh my goodness. You're even bad at your bad at attacking points we agree with. Oh my goodness. Why does this happen? You don't need to do this. Oh, why are you people so bad at your jobs? How are you even categorizing this? Because there is a lot of action in Man of Steel. I doubt there's similar amounts in terms of time code to Days of Future Past or Age of Ultron. The final act is all action. It's a huge amount of action in Man of Steel. Like my brain can't process it. I just, why would you even say this though? Like, ugh. X-Men pretty much any other recent comic book movie. I'm just saying the genre is probably not for you. And CG is the only way you can do this kind of stuff. Even for some flying and punching shots, practical effects are not practical. Because I don't know that you're at all. What do you think people did before we had CGI? I was probably gonna argue that it looked worse or bad back then. So I'm also just gonna say I don't know if anyone that complains about like too much action or CG in superhero films. That's not, it's just not. Is his cape CGI? Yeah. I guess that makes sense, yeah. So that it like, it flows, it looks cool as it flows in the wind. Yeah, they can make it flow the way they want. Oh, you can just use a fan. Yeah, but then it won't flow the right way that we need for my VR. Honestly, you make it sound like it's stupid, but yeah, they'll have complete control of exactly how the cape will move whatever time they want. What's that behind Henry Cavill that's like right between the green screen and the curtain? That's not a fan, it's a light. That's a light. Is that a light? It could be a fan that's on. I was joking, but yeah, it actually might be a little, it could be either. It's probably a light though. There probably are sometimes where he actually has the cape, you know. It's kind of like Doctor Strange. When they like want his hair blowing kind of realistically with the cape as well. So I would think that that would be a fan. It'll just CGI it's fine. If it was me, I just, you know what? We want a cape billowing realistically. So we're going to have a cape and we're going to have a fan. No, you know what? They would actually have to practice the CGI hair for Aquaman. So it very well could just be a light. Also just don't like this whole you have to have hundreds and hundreds of millions to be able to make an action movie. It's like they don't. Because look, the movie is gigantic. Of course we have spaceships. Of course we have plans. That's sex knighted. Oh, he's the, he's the one to blame. It says this is his fault. It's all his fault. He's responsible for this abomination. That's a real cape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, they gotta have a real one every once in a while. I'm sure of it. Yeah. Make Superman be super. What do you do from a visual effects standpoint? The idea was that if Superman does anything, it's going to have to be a visual effect. Whether it's what? Flying. Flying, lifting, anything really punching. Some of the proving ground for that was even in first. And that one's fake. To CG the cape for this shot. I don't even like, why do you need it for? I guess in case it were to fill it over his fist. I don't know. I don't know. No wonder this costs 225 million dollars. Yeah, I'm starting to see why they had to kid up IHOP. IHOP, we need you to cover our cape budget. This movie would have no capes if it wasn't for IHOP. No capes. His suit looks weird there, doesn't it? It does. The leg with the shloopy gloom, I don't know what that is. Rocking things. First flight. A lot of the stuff he did in his training facility to do his stunt viz did have the wires. Right. Because he wanted to show, here's the body language and all that stuff. And then you'd approve that. And then Damon and I would go back through it and go, let's not do that. That's a superhuman hit right there. Let's switch out there. Another way to look. And I was like, yeah, if he was flying forwards with his hands forward and everything, and they just had a big fucking fan blowing at him super fast, that'd probably look really good. I'd be like, you know what, he's flying through the air. I am going to counter you hardcore because I think Wonder Woman 1984, the flight looks dog shit. And the big reason why it does is because they don't use lots of CGI at all. It's clear that she's. Is that because execution? Well, I think that I absolutely think that you're going to be able to achieve better effects with CGI for flying around and stuff than you could with a green screen. Of course. They're better. If he's flying at supersonic speeds, basically, because then if they're doing it with a fan, then the movement of the cape isn't actually going to match him moving at that speed. At ground. Yeah, that's not going to match. It's going to look weird. And you're going to notice whereas if you just flat out commit to having it be. Well, I think the way that this film works. Yes, I yeah. The Cape. We notice it with Wonder Woman 84. Yeah, it's 34. No, like her hair. It's pretty clear that it's just not like consistent with the way that she's moving around in this environment. Not to mention that, you know, like the fan could also mess with Henry Cavill's hair too in ways that they may not desire. It's I get why they why they did what they did. And I think like the easy compromise is just what they did, which is just have certain shots where it's just really close up on him on a wire moving around. I think that's the best way to do it. Remind people that it's a person. I definitely totally get why they would use CGI. This is all in favor of saying they needed money. OK, it's like, OK. Yeah. Look at this is that product placement stands in as a representative of capitalism. I know it's not fashionable to admit this anymore. But Superman stands for truth, justice, and the American way that we're not supposed to talk about it anymore. Politics. Does he still stand for justice? I mean, it's not our fault. I'm sorry to have. OK, just because this is something I think people are people miss. Just because it's viable in capitalism doesn't mean you have to do it. Like, yeah, choices to make in capitalism. You decided to make a movie that was this expensive. No one made you. No, capitalism. OK, it's like, no, it's your fucking fault. Capitalism isn't a person who's coercing you into doing things. It reminds me of, like, again, the Raid Shadow Legend stuff. If someone said, like, well, you should be blaming capitalism. It's like, you made the choice. Stop blaming capitalism. Oh, yeah, it's your fault. To tell you this, but all that stuff is capitalism. Or should I say capitalism? I'm fine with her holding up a Nikon camera. I just like the product placement is a result of capitalism. So we're like, OK, what are we doing? Again, you didn't even you didn't even need to respond to this argument, but go for it stuff. So if you don't like product placement, then I guess you just don't like what Superman stands for. No. What are you saying? What are the what are what are what are the sanely fucking brain dead thing to say publicly? Oh, my God. If you don't like product placement, you don't like what Superman stands for. Yeah, why do you like always happen? Like they'd say something. It's like, oh, yeah, that's stupid to say. And then they fucking large stupid shit like this. It's like, what do you stop it? You didn't. What's that? You don't like Man of Steel. You fucking communist. Yeah. Oh, it's just not allowed. The reason that product placement should ruin a movie. This movie actually contains at least one reason to appreciate. No, it would be weird if people had like not real beers. And like he opens up the thing and all the beers are the same. I think they're Budweiser. It doesn't fucking matter. It would be weird if they were all different. Like no one does that. I don't know if I wanted this and one of that and one of this and one of that. No, they buy like six packs and 12 packs of things. So yeah, they would be all the same. Why are the tomatoes on top of a telephone and caution tape and the strange building? It's flowing over. What a strange bill. And they have warm cans. Shouldn't those be in fridges? Also, yeah, shouldn't all of this be in it? I guess I don't understand. I don't know what I would want to put a telephone in a fridge. Well, yeah. But the tomatoes on top of the telephone. I would. Isn't it worth putting the telephone in there if it means getting your beers and your tomatoes? Because the telephone will be fine in the fridge. You'll just be cold. It'll be a very cold telephone. Yeah, you put it up to your ear and you'd be like, hello, how do you think Mr. Freeze does it? And freezing that product placement for a movie. This movie actually contains at least one reason to appreciate it. How often do movies give you the opportunity to say something like, now I know what it's like to watch someone throw a train through a Sears appliance department? I don't believe that's what would actually happen. I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I do like Superman's acknowledges that thing phrase. And then just so. Also, I'm starting to wonder, because he gets blown into the building with it, wouldn't he be like Maeve where he would like crash through it? I guess not. Superman can crash through the alien spaceships. Buildings, yeah. Maeve was a strong train like that fish I'm landing in the beginning. But it's like someone throwing, I don't know, like a foam cube at you, real. Well, that would just dissipate before he even gets to you. I'm trying to think of how like a paper box. Yeah, paper box, like maybe a. But I mean, he, you know, could have done a lot of different things, but he just sort of lets it hit him into a building. Oh, yeah. Superman could have done a lot to do better. That feels like the theme of the movie. Superman could have done a lot. But he does. Yeah, Superman. Why does the movie spend so much time on Krypton? What doesn't spend that much time on Krypton? It's just that what happens on Krypton is fucking weird. Yeah, I would, again, change the criticism. Everything all the world building established on Krypton is fucking garbage. The council are retarded. And everything that Zod does when he tries to get to Jor-El's sort of ship launching station, wherever that is, everything about that stupid. The design of it all, including the penis stilder things. I'm fine with it. Fine with it and how long we spend there. It's not that long. I don't know. Yeah, it's not that long. It just feels really weird. The civil war and setting up Zod and the genetic brain thingies. You're just like, what's going on here? You didn't have to do this. It just overwhelms the viewer with information that it doesn't properly explain. Has a vibe. But you know when when Jor-El looks on like the big civil war that's happening, it definitely feels like this movie is like, are you ready for a grand spectacle? This is the Snyder universe. You're like, okay, all right. Throughout the various continuities, comic books and animated films, Krypton has tons of life forms that exist on the planet. Over 51 different species. I don't okay. 51 is a very good one. My issue isn't that there are alien creatures on an alien planet, which is doubly weird when they're humans. Who said this? Why did they say this? Yeah, who did say this? And where did you find? Did you make this up? I guess that's their nitpick section. I mean, that's at the beginning. This has to be like a citizen's criticism or something. It's not even an argument, though. Why are the alien creatures on the alien planet? You're like, I don't know. I don't know. Also, that's just good. The alien creatures on the alien planet are doubly weird when all of the aliens are humans. They're not human. They're kept down yet. They're humans. You know, it's really weird. Yeah. They look they're visually indistinguishable from humans. And they're supposed to have superman powers, right? Unless they go to the power planet. So they literally look. Yeah, it's just it's weird. You know, it's weird. They are weird. It's a willing bug, balloony, butterfly, fish, crystal birds. The movie includes these creatures because this is the comic book Krypton, not the Richard Donner Krypton. Everyone is used. I don't care as for why they spend so much time on the planet. Kryptonian eight, Kryptonian dog, Kryptonian. It's like, oh, I can tell they're from Krypton. What the fuck's a metal metal eating mole? Metal eating mole. My one. Metal eater. Oh, metal run. No, metal eater makers. Oliphants. Non-breathing beast. Non-breathing beast. Oh my God. What does that even mean? It's a rock. Oh my God. They've got a flog name. Kwan. Kwan. The man is an alien. He's part of the narrative. Ron. I don't even find the character saying worthless anyway. I just want to look. I'm wait. Isn't Shagoff like a like an HB Lovecraft type word? Shubnigaroff. Shubnigaroff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A turquoise thought. Thought beast. Yeah, small beast. That's the best one. I want that to be my name. How do how do we pronounce? How do we say the last one here? Trypedal curosianium. Yeah. No, no, Curiosian nanium. Curios Curios Curiosiananium. Curiosiananium. No, no, no. Trypedal curiosiananium. No, no, it's not curio. It's curosiananium. Cur curosiananium. Trypedal curosiananium. Good job. Whoever named that. Tyrannoshart. Oh, one more down the list that we've already got a banger. Ted Thofles. Tyrannoshart. I want a Tyrannoshark and a volcano lady. Ted Thofles sounds like the original name of Kanto Byte before they rage rafted it. What planet are we on? Winged Cat. I'm going to roll them back so I don't even know what the guy talking was saying. It's a roar. Because this is the comic book crypton. Not the Richard Donner crypton everyone is used to. As for why they spend so much time on the planet, the filmmakers were trying to play up the fact that Superman is an alien as part of the narrative. Oh, they did that really badly. Yeah, they did a really bad job with that. There's nothing about him that comes across as a Kryptonian in the movie. He just sort of says that he is and misses them and considers them as parents. It has to choose. They could have done so much better with that if that's what they wanted to do. Yeah, in fact, in the original, when he finds his fortress of solitude and we first see him taking off and flying, that segment, you have Jor-El. They play a big part of what he's saying to Clark as he's flying through space as like a midway point or like a reminder of who he is. And it works really well. This is a weird one. Reach between well. Not really, though. Here we go, Dad. Not really, yeah. I'd have to have you explain what that entails. Well, because we're doing essentially a science fiction movie and we were highlighting Superman's alien nature, I wanted to spend a great deal of time. You did a bad job. Zure, spend a great deal of time on this one. Vegetation edit. Singing flowers. After rejoin to watch together. We must go climb the Nangu Tree. Oh, no. You're not going to see the blood bloom plant and the illusion trap plant. But yeah, they've got a recording of... Nengu Tree. The argument just went out like, oh, we wanted to spend a while on Krypton. And it's like, you didn't really spend that long there. I feel like I'm missing something. I didn't feel like it was that long. Yeah. I don't know where they got those high-lighting Superman's alien nature. I wanted to spend a great deal of time on Krypton. Yeah, so if you're going to highlight Superman's alien nature, that should be something you do with Superman. And probably his dad in the ship, spend some time learning about... The thing is, he has to leave him as a baby, so he's not going to be infused with much Kryptonian culture and a missing of the planet and the people, you know? You're going to have to really work hard in post to redraw that sort of connection. But they didn't really. Either the AI is weird. He's like, oh, we traveled for hundreds of thousands of years and it all went to shit. And Clark's like, oh, that's a weird story to tell me, but okay. Yeah, what's up with that? Yeah, what is up with that? Yeah, so... This could be a flaw in a different area. Like for some reason, the council believed that the planet will make it. Well, no, they don't because they say, they seem to acknowledge what Jor-El says, so that can't be a custom. That's all that could be argued, I think, for this. That's what they do when people break the law. And it's like, but sir, our planet is about to explode. But our criminals, they don't deserve to die, even though they just started a civil war yesterday and killed a bunch of people. They get to live. We get to die. Well, that was apparently... We won't get out of our spaceships and leave. That was apparently the animated version, was one of the Jor-El's suggestions, was to put everybody in the Phantom Zone to save them from this, which is interesting. The idea, like we said it in the recording, I would rather be frozen to be unfrozen in an undetermined amount of time versus being blown up, I don't know, I guess, like, especially if you're not... Well, then again, it depends on what Phantom Zone it is, right? Because, like, I've heard some of them are, like, conscious and just stay. I mean, we know that with this one, they're... Well, do we know that they're unconscious with this version of the Phantom Zone? Because they're frozen. Yeah, they have covered in goo. I don't know, they didn't say, I don't think. You know what? I would still... I think I would still pick being frozen, because there's one where you definitely die and one where you maybe die. I'm not sure what I would pick on that. Because I would fear that we wouldn't be released for so long that I'd probably go insane from having, if I was just consciously staring forever. Space can be pretty neat to look at. But if you explode... But if, um, if Krypton explodes and you get to be free and you know that Krypton's about to explode... That's not something anyone knew would happen, I don't think. That's just, like, oh, lucky for us when Krypton exploded and freed us. It's like, uh-huh. Oh. Yeah. What a weird alien race with weird... What logic was that? Anyways, that when Krypton exploded, the Phantom Zone was reopened. Is there some sort of, like, a gate on Krypton, like a computer that opens up and closes the Phantom Zone? And when it gets blown up, it reopens the Phantom Zone? Like, what's the deal with that? I don't think they say they just go lucky. Yeah. Seems very weak. Very flimsy. Oh, yeah, I mean, the whole film is built on those sorts of things. Like, um, this is what I want to get to. I'm hoping he's gonna bring up something because we didn't go over it in the live stream, but I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna go and get there. Vents and the opening of the movie before Krypton's destruction happened some unspecified length of time before the planet implodes. The Kryptonians don't know exactly when the planet is going to blow up, and Jarell estimates that it's a matter of weeks. You're not understanding- What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So it's a matter of weeks? But they know it's a matter of weeks. It's a matter of weeks. And we get to feel the exact thought that's still- No, so this is how it's dumb. They remember Rags. He's like, we need to evacuate, and they're like, evacuate the whole planet? Like, are you crazy, Jarell? I was like, well, we could start. Exactly. There's no- You know, I mean, this is our survival as a species. Jarell says it's too late for anybody on Krypton. Anyway, like, the implication being we're gonna explode is just too late. So the best they can do is launch the codecs and embryos and clock. He's wrong, by the way. Like, very wrong, because the fact that you have a ship at all, that can- The fact that you traverse the galaxy, you fucks. Like, yeah. It doesn't make any sense. They're- The whole Kryptonian civilization thing needs an entire rework from the ground up. Scrap it entirely and come up with something else, because this doesn't work at all. Yeah, and trying to say that, no, this happened weeks after they sent Cal-L to Earth, is like, well, this just hurts the film even more. Yeah, wait a minute. This doesn't fix anything. If it was weeks between Jarell dying, which we saw in real time, right, and then Zod getting lifted off, weeks is already enough to be like, why the fuck are we sending him to prison? We got weeks before this planet explodes. Let's go. We have more important things to focus on. Load up our ships. And how about a punishment of just time to a chair on Krypton? He's fucked, trust me. Yeah, just leave him in the cell. Krypton's core is collapsing. We may only have a matter of weeks. The Kryptonian culture is so steeped in tradition that their leaders are not about to- Well, so in the film, he says we may only have a matter of weeks then. So they had plenty of time. They're so steeped in tradition that there was a massive civil war against tradition. It's fucking stupid. Like, that's- Yeah, that- I don't buy it. War is collapsing. We may only have a matter of weeks. The Kryptonian culture is so- Like, you'd think that they could double check that. Like, the core is collapsing. It's like, well, let's take a look. Oh, shit. Look at that. Yeah, we can do something. They don't seem to disagree. Not at all. It's tradition. They don't seem to disagree with him. They almost acknowledge that he's correct, but their counter is- Evacuate the whole planet. That's ridiculous. It's like, what? So he's like- I get baffled by that response. He's just been dying. That response blows me away. Like, as if her argument is, or he- I can't remember which one of them says it. Um, as if they're saying, like, we couldn't evacuate everybody, so let everyone die. It's like- Yeah, die, because surviving is hard work. Yeah, no. Those are two choices. Dying's easier, I guess. Yeah. Because- Imagine it on the Titanic when it was sinking. Hey, look, there are enough boats for everybody, so let's all die. Let's all go down with the ship. It's the huck's shit all over again, because I've seen people argue. It's like, no, they're arrogant and they're steeped in tradition. They're like, no, they're just really stupid. They have goals and they don't execute them. War is collapsing. We may only have a matter of weeks. The Kryptonian culture is so steeped in tradition that their leaders are not about to abandon that just because the world is about to end. The world is about to end. Such a retarded sentence. At what point do you go, you know what? Some characters are too fucking stupid to live. And they happen to be the leaders of Krypton. The planet's gonna blow up, but tradition. And anyway, some time has passed between the Z-Team imprisonment and Krypton's destruction. It wasn't right after. Do you think Lara, Elle, whatever, was pissed that Jor-El didn't make a passenger seat and clocked ship for her? Yeah. It's like, you have all this time. Like, make it a three-seater. Let's all go. I don't go. Well, I do get because we went over the previous stream. There is a quote for this where he says that they didn't because they're a part of Krypton's failures. Oh, like, even though they are the only reason that I... That's one of those things you say, but it like doesn't mean anything. Again, I read it on the stream, but I'll read it out now. Why didn't you come with me? He says we couldn't. No matter how much we wanted to. No matter how much we loved you, your mother and I are a product of the failures of the world. As much as Zod was, we're tied to its fate. Yeah, that's not fucking insane. That's fucking insane. And you think to yourself like, ah, they accounted for it. And you're like, no. You're like, haven't accounted for it at all. They just make them sound insane. Why would you not want to go with your son? No, we should just explode. You made that decision for both of them, I suppose. Because if you remember, stupid little alien robot says, Lara, don't you want to like hide somewhere when this is all happening? And she's like, there is no refuge. The implication being... That's not true. You have a space for civilization. The important part is that she's willing to save her own life. She thinks there's no way to do it. Jor-El said, nah, we both have to do it. I think we can spot what happened here. Jor-El was like, no, there's no way I can put you in the ship too. It's just not a thing. Sorry, she's like... Really? He's like, yeah, no, no, I wish I could. Why? I just can't do it. I'm tied to Krypton's fate. I'm also arrogant. Listen, if you're suicidal, just say so. All right. If you just want to die, that's more believable. She regrets that marriage. And Krypton's destruction. It wasn't right after. This movie has no character to develop. Okay, that's not true. There's just suddenly a huge thing. Like the other three haven't been as big as this, but all right. Hmm. No character development? Yeah, I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say there's none. I'd say it's just very poorly done and minuscule. Yeah, it's very at odds with itself. And it's... I hate to use the word because it's just so... It's just like, I just want to say awkward. It's all so fucking awkward. Like all the lines from the movie. Well, there's no clear through line from point A to point B for Clark or anyone in this movie besides Ginger Kid. Well, I know what people say about this film. It's the Clark has to learn that it's his choice to make to become the protector of Earth that he does. And it's like, that's his arc. He's like, I don't... The pieces aren't there. I'm sorry. Like he's a boy who's annoyed that he has to be a farmer. And then he's sad because he also tries to save people's lives while balancing his identity. And then he's told by Jor-El that like, will you make the choice to stand for the people of Earth? And then when Zod threatens Earth in exchange for him, he's like, you got to come up. And he's like, I guess I could give humans a chance. Do you see what I mean? All those pieces of information you're looking at him like, what is happening here? What is this? He seems to like to save people. He also seems to kind of let his dad die. That's awkward. He, that's a lot of people die. That's a lot of people die. Hell yeah, he does. So I don't know. Let's just see what this goes, I guess. Wait, what? No character development? The entire first half of the movie is character development. No, it isn't. It seems, it's just a picture. No, a picture of a kid playing with a dog. That's not character development. That's a kid playing with a dog. We're going to have to get into like definitions. So you know, like when he's dealing with his powers in school, if someone said that's character development, I'd probably be like, um, I don't know. No, he doesn't develop as a character. He gets more physically powerful. The part where she talks to him through the door, I can't remember what the dialogue is specifically, but that's probably something I would count. And she doesn't she say like make the world small or something because he said it's too big. I guess something's happening there that's character related. And he's going from X to Y. He is able to come out of that closet and embrace the gay. Something happened that's character related is our bar. Yeah, it's thin and weird in this film. Yes. You know, in opposition to Filmento, there is still pieces of plotline happening at the first half that are really fucking stupid. Like all of the shit with the crashed airship thing. Like all of that is stupid. It's not character. It's bizarre. Well, I guess some of it's character. The entire first half of the movie is character development. No, it isn't. It seems that the people who think this are assuming that the Cal-L we see in the film has all the characteristics and values of the comic book Superman the whole time from the beginning. No, it's no, that would be better. Because at least there'd be something. Yeah, if he was here, it's just the vacuum. I would accept having the whole child to teenager to adult and he's got the values that Superman has as Clark before he's Superman. Right. That's like the idea. But it's because of his parents, not because of whatever the fuck happens in this movie. Jonathan telling the drown kids, maybe. Yeah, maybe. They don't realize that Clark Kent isn't Superman until the end of the movie. But you have to remember, this is sort of Superman. Oh, he wrote this. This is a myth. David S. Coyote. Oh, my God. What a loser. Well, in his defense, he did write Black Ops 1. So, you know, he had that all the time. Hey, he wrote The Dark Knight as well. Oh, neat. Oh, I mean, oh, maybe the world learns that he and he decides to assume the mantle of Superman through the course of the film. But that doesn't happen. I'm sorry. Yeah, but why? But also, I don't care what he says. Well, no, I'm OK with this being used as the argument. This is the argument that he goes from X to Superman in this film. And it's like, is that not fair? It's Superman begins like Batman. And I'm just like, where does he start, though? He's already willing to save people's lives at the cost of his identity. Then his dad says, maybe you shouldn't. And then he does. And then he lets his dad die. No, sorry, then he does. Then he, yeah. And then and then move into will he be the protector of Earth? And you're like, why is this a question? So basically, he arrives where he started. Pretty much. There is change. If you look at the original, when he is, when we have that big time skip and he is now grown up more so and he's flying out of the fortress of solitude as Superman in the suit and everything, you're like, oh, I know exactly why he's doing this. His character is very well informed to be making these decisions. And I know why he's doing it. And you don't have to question it. Like the first, the first superman movie, it isn't even like good, but it's good character stuff. Like there's a lot of, there's a lot in it that is good. Genuine question. Why does Clark think humans are worth saving? Uh, I don't know, because Clark don't have a chance. The reason I'm bringing this up is that I don't think you need to go into that for every character or anything, but like he seems to have that sort of dilemma briefly. But then what is the thing that makes him go, you know, yeah, I'm picking humans. Especially because they try and push really hard that he identifies as a Kryptonian for kind of, for like whatever reason. Well, and the fucking Zod is like Satan in this movie. There's no question. Also Zod killed his dad, by the way. Yeah. Which he tells him, I have to drown to give it to Skulls. He's terrible. This is what it is, just no. Psychopath. There's no, yeah. Well, your morality makes you weak. At this point, like if you were a friend of Clark's and he's like, I don't know, man, humans are Kryptonians. You'd be like, dude, I'm gonna drop a bucket of water on his head. Like, are you serious? Like, please. Clark is the man that is unsure of his place in the world, trying to understand who he is. To a man who's still kind of unsure. Where do I come from? Why did you send me here? It's like, yeah, normal questions that get answered pretty quickly. We sent you here because we want you to, what is it, be the bridge between the two people be a symbol of hope? I don't fucking know. While also saying, please choose your own destiny. Did they say anything along the lines of like, because we love you and your son and we want you to survive and live a life? Whether or not they did the obvious question comes up of why didn't you come with me? Yeah, why didn't you come with me? He's like, oh, we're a shit, I guess. Well, remember the AI would have been created before Zod killed thingy naturally. And so the AI doesn't know how he died. He's probably just like, I probably died because I decided that I would die with the planet. Captain goes down with the ship, you know? He's like, what? Oh, why? All right. Okay. Maybe your mother and I didn't think this through. Did anyone else build pods? Did anyone else survive? Why don't you guys go to the phantom zone? It's like, oh, I mean, you know. Why did you send me here? Into a man who was ready to accept the responsibility of being a superhero. Accept the responsibility of being a superhero. Where was that? No, he just shows up and he's wearing the outfit now. Let's just start. We don't know why. It's the outfit that just happens to have a ship. That's the thing, we have no idea why. I don't even get what that means within the context of this film, accepting the responsibility of being a superhero. It's like, what do you mean when you're saying that? Accepting, like, that he has to be Earth's representative against threats? Is that what you're saying? Like, what is special about this suit in particular? Like, what's the purpose of it being on that ship? Was this meant for him? Was it meant for someone else? Well, maybe this video will go into it at some point. But what I know from Meme Repository is that there's a comic written about this portion of the film that's not in the film. This is strictly just to give you guys some information that apparently exists. This ship belongs to the House of El. It was driven by Supergirl 20,000 years ago. She crashed and died. That's an unfortunate name. The House of El. Not posting any wins. So yeah, that suit belongs to the House of El, apparently. So they all went and had 20,000 years. But I thought she was meant to be like his cousin. I thought... Yeah, they live real long, I guess. Dude, this isn't in the film, though. So it's a little bit of a comic. So I don't... Going strictly to the film. No, this makes any fucking sense. There is a ship. It is Kryptonian. It's got the El family shit in it. Yeah. But why is she flying a ship with a male suit? It's a suit fitted for men. It's like, wouldn't it be a suit fitted for a woman if it's Supergirl? Well, then it would be perfect. Where's hers? Oh, it will be perfect when it fits a Supergirl. I don't understand any of it. It's all really, really weird. And you'd think that this ship was... I was about to... No, I'm not even gonna try because it'll make no sense. It's just... I don't know what this all is. It's all crazy nonsense. And I think these are the kinds of people who are probably like, if you want to find out, go and read the books. What if this is actually a Supergirl's costume? They're like, what if Supergirl was trans? Or Supergirl was just buff? No, this is Supergirl's costume. That's why it's so tight fitting on him because he had to squeeze himself in there. Abby was Supergirl. Hey, well, you know, they could fight in BVS2 without Batman. Because he's just gonna watch from the distance with his shotgun. It does it. I can save Earth by turning myself in. Look at Jesus. I... Hey, I can save everyone by turning myself in. Yeah, that's what... That's what's on said. Should I? That's what I mean. Yeah. I just love the idea that he's like, wait, wait, wait, let's run these both like simulation-wise. I go up to the ship and see what he wants as this super unkillable dude. I mean, yeah, I guess that's one scenario. What's the other? I watch the entire world burn. And then I probably go and talk to him because what else am I gonna do at that point? Like, hmm, this is a real tough choice. I don't know. Oh, the dilemma. I don't know. Let's think of it this way. Humans have given him no reason to want to fight on their behalf or even, you know, negotiate on their behalf, right? Like humans suck. What have humans done for Clark? It's like, um, a lot actually. He doesn't seem to notice this. It feels like he arrived at Earth yesterday where he talks about humans. Yeah, as opposed to having lived here his whole life. It's really odd. Shouldn't that take it? We see Clark grow up under the fatherly guidance of John Kent who helps Clark understand the importance of his unique abilities and his possible impact. Yeah, no, this character is a horrific horrible terrible person. The whole thing is consequence for revealing yourself. He's like bad things could happen to many people, very nonspecific. And of course, in favor of letting groups of people die, if it means we prevent groups of people, it's like a really weird. Basically, you have like a bus full of children drowning and the potential spooky fog of what will happen if people find out who you are. It's like, yeah, which you will be incredibly rich and famous. Everyone will know your name. Yeah, which one of these things like one of the greatest humans who ever lived capable of insanely amazing things. Like, yeah, that sounds awful. It's like, which one of those things do you want to happen? The bus of children drowning or the spooky fog? It's like, I guess I'll take the fog. Like, I'm not too bothered by it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I will risk being famous in the whole world. Is anything like myself being used as a, like a way to cure, you know, like what scientific research and everything. How is this person so strong? Can we like make other people this strong and healthy and everything like that? Mary has the cure all blood and she doesn't do anything within a bat woman. It just, it seems like a really easy one. You know, you save the bus full of kids. Yeah. And, you know, let's just pretend for a second that the government put out this big thing saying we're going to find this guy called Superman in the second we do. We're going to dissect him. We're going to chop him up into tiny millions and tiny pieces. And if your dad is like, oh my God, don't let that happen. Let the children drown. I would still be like, no. Like the government suck. I know. But no, I'm not going to let the children drown. I'm sorry. Dad, please let me see the children. And yeah, if anything, Jonathan Kent puts him away from his standard arc. Like it seems as a kid, he's like, yeah, he's saving people. A Jonathan Kent's like, maybe don't though. Maybe don't. It's fucking bizarre. What, what they needed to do is if they wanted to have this, this sort of more ambiguous choice, then it should be him like stopping a woman from being assaulted. It should be or stopping someone from being bullied or something like that. Something really small scale where you're like, is this one thing worth it? Not saving the lives of a busload of children. Then your own father. And then your own father. Yeah, you need to have it be. You need to balance out these things a whole lot better if you want this to even approach a decision where you could haggle. Because this is a slam dunk softball. This is an easy question. You save the busload of children. Yep. I'm in favor of saving the busload of children myself. Like, duh. The cholo just goes like, I'm still a little jambuils prick anyways. It's like, no. Oh, that Dick Splash was on that bus. It's a little Dick Splash. Only, only the only Zach Snyder could fuck it up. And the writer. I'm sure a bunch of other people could as well. Oh yeah, I'm sure I could have. Who helps Clark understand the importance of his unique abilities and his possible impact on the human race. No, he doesn't. It's more out there. You, you have another father too who gave you another name and he sent you here for a recent Clark. And even if it takes you the rest of your life, you owe it to your friend. That's a frame written that's a little. Find out what that recent is. That's shit though. That doesn't help him understand anything. Yeah, what, what is it? All he told him was you need to go and find out what stuff. Yeah, this isn't explaining. This is saying that you need an explanation. Yeah. This is the opposite of explanation. This is like when you have a quest and you go visit someone and they tell you that the princess is in another castle. That's it. Yeah. Jonathan Kent just said the explanation is in another This is a this is a line from the original. This is Jor-El talking to a young Clark. He says they can be a great people, Cal-El. They wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason, above all, their capacity for good, I've sent them you, my only son. That's already way better. What goes with the cons? He is presented with situations that need his superhuman abilities. Oh, Clark, you have to keep this side of yourself a secret. By the end of the film, Clark understands who he is. Why would you show that? And the yeah. Well, I'm actually waiting for him to make what I have a point he's trying to make with this. Yeah. Example he should set for mankind. I'm here to help, but it has to be on my own terms. At that point, he become no, you can't know like hundreds of thousands of people died. You need to calm yourself. You need to yeah. He really has no like to stand on when he says that at that point. Yeah. He's almost full of himself in terms of like, hey, I saved you guys. So maybe chill with the watching music. You let so many people die. You could have done a better job or I honestly comes. It honestly kind of reminds me of Homelander now. Like the way that he says that in that context is like, yeah, that's that's totally a Homelander thing to do. They made Superman into Homelander and Man of Steel. Maybe Homelander will become Superman in season three of The Voice. He'll grow a conscience. Yeah, it's it's actually fascinating because you could have any onlooker just absolutely rip Superman apart for all the mistakes he's made. And you wouldn't be so smug at that point. I don't think or at least I wouldn't want him to be. And that's what BVS could have been about, by the way, but they wasted that too. Could have been also in the in the original. He Clark spends 12 years with his father and the fortress of solitude. It sort of left open and ambiguous as to what they actually do. But it's implied that he goes on this like like his father teaches him for 12 years after he leaves Kansas. So and this he's just sort of like, I guess I'm Superman now because he really comes a fisherman. They really did fuck up the opportunity to explore the fact that Clark kind of led Zod into the city in Man of Steel and BVS because well, that's the thing is like when when you've got Bruce Wayne hugging the little orphan girl and looking up at the sky, you have the like that's that obviously could set up the whole. Okay, so Bruce would be pissed at Clark or Superman because Superman basically caused all that destruction. But no, that's not his motivation. His motivation is well, he could turn evil, not he's literally caused a ton of destruction. And then his his arc is resolved by finding out that his mother has the same name. Well, he has a mother. It's they have material to work with. They bungle Man of Steel. And so it's like, okay, we can still make this work guys, we can still make this work. Like how Civil War makes Iron Man three work. Well, Civil War makes Age of Ultron work too. This is just they didn't make it work in BVS at all. Here to help. But it has to be on my own terms. At that point, he becomes more like the comic. No, we need Sokovia Accord. We need a we need Metropolis Accords. Hell fucking yes. We like Superman. Can we just talk to you for five seconds about like how you decide? Remember? Yeah. That comes in in BVS. That's our line, right? She says like, how do you decide which lives are worth saving which aren't? It's like, oh my God, a glimpse of a point. Yeah, like remember what happened in the city? Like how you didn't lead Zod out, how you specifically kept him in the city. And then there is the town where you just like kept fighting in the town and wouldn't leave. Why didn't you lift him up into space? Like, what are you doing? Well, what's wrong with you? Like, actually, what's wrong with you? Do you hate us? Is this like you're an excuse for you to murder us? How come you never talk to us? What's going on here? No, no, no, you're just you're just nitpicking for criticizing this movie for ignoring a very obvious thing that people would be thinking in this world if if this sort of thing ever occurred. People being upset that Superman is kind of responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead people. Hey, it's just a little nitpick. Yeah, just nitpicking. Whatever it's fine. He becomes more like the comic book Superman that people expect. Not exactly like, but we'll get to that. To say that there's no character development at all is just round. Well, that's fine because we didn't say it anyway. All right, if you could have showed some of that. Oh, here we go. Oh, I would 100% agree with this one. Okay. Before whatever he says, my argument would be that he allows his dad to do all of the stuff a normal person could do instead of himself when he's stronger. And ultimately, if anything really bad was to happen, he could survive it. Second, he can save his dad. And I don't believe it's in character for him to let the dad die. He like, is dad is dad telling him stop? No, is it enough for him to be like, yeah, okay. Yeah, if I could save my dad's life and he's like, no, let me die. And be like, no. I think the important thing is that he knows with absolute certainty that he'll live if he goes. There is no risk to himself in doing this. And I don't believe for a second, the fact that he saved the children on the bus, I don't believe for a second that he's that consumed about his identity being leaked. I really don't. Yeah. And if he is at this point, then that just further shows the damage that Jonathan did, like reeked on his psyche. By the way, yeah, just like, what does this, what does Jonathan Kent's death in this movie do to affect Clark's character development exactly like this version of Clark? Whereas with most versions where Jonathan Kent just dies of a heart attack, it's, you know, it's about him realizing, okay, he can't save everyone because there are things like, you know, heart attacks that he legitimately can't save people from, you know, so it's just with this version, it's like his, his dad is insisting that he doesn't save anyone to protect his identity, which is like, so how does this bolster his character development in any way? How does this move it forward? Maybe this video will tell us because I'm lost with that one too. Yeah, they did such a great job at explaining the incredible character development. Oh, by the way, only Superman. They didn't even mention anyone else, by the way. I'm also going to add to the how it's stupid. Everyone gets out of their cars instead of driving their cars away from the tornado. They could literally just go to the left and drive away onto the grass. Yeah, because the left lane or the half of the road, like everyone was trying to leave some place. No one was coming the other direction. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm leaving. I'm going on the other side and I'm driving away from the tornado. And then I would say the contrivance of his death being that he needs to get a dog, which I'm not against the idea of saving a dog, just the idea of the people who had the dog left it in there. And then on top of that, the car that falls on him, his car. There was like a chick. There was like a kid in there too. What? I'm talking about the last thing, the last entity that he rescues, the cost of his life as the dog. But also a car falls on him of all the places the car could fall. It hits Jonathan Kent. And then of course, Jonathan Kent giving up. He doesn't even try to escape the tornado. He just goes, no, I like herty. So it's broken. It's in tatters. So I'm curious what defense you got of this one. Is Clark his father to die in such a stupid way? Yeah. I let my father die because I trusted him. What? What a fucking stupid thing to say. What an insanely dumb thing for you to utter. Do we, do we miss that in our, in our reaction to the movie? Because I don't. We would. Oh, we might have been laughing at something else terrible about this movie. What a horrific. Let him die because I trusted him. Fuck you, Clark. I don't like Clark at these movies. I let my father die because I trusted him. Because he was convinced that I had to wait at the world was not ready. The concept of why would the world be ready now, but not then? That was the other day, basically. At what point does everybody just go like, oh man, you know what? It's time for Superman. Like impervious to bullets. Now I'm cool with that now. I wasn't a week ago, but now I'm okay. Yeah, a few years ago. Oh man, I would not be, not be on board with that. But I feel like we've, the world's had enough character development and now we can handle it. I'm fast realizing there's a lot of writing in Man of Steel. It's like, wait, why did stupid thing happen? And then a character just says, I did it because that's what I wanted to do. Because I'm stupid. Yeah. There's no through light. It's just that is the thing that happened. And you're like, okay, all right. Super man out a guy with godlike powers who saves the world. Superman about morality about having Morality of letting your dad die in a tornado because he said This film is not about morality. If I was going to, they were named movies about morality. Krypton existed and died. They don't get to have another try at life. That's moral. But I also won't destroy all Kryptonians because I have some weird affinity for them, even though they're all evil monsters. Didn't even have to. He could have threatened Zod that he'll destroy the embryos unless he parks the fucking car and gets out now. Yeah. And we have a conversation. Yep. Film would have improved dramatically if more people talked to each other. A conversation. As opposed to a dream sequence where you sink into a sea of skulls. I recommend against the skull sinking strategy. Okay. Just explain that to Zod. He was like, I don't follow. What do you mean? Do you see how cool your people do not find dying in seas of skulls? Imagine that thing. Clock is going through that simulation. There's another scientist in the room. It's like, oh, which one did you put him through? And he's like, the skull one. He's like, no, no. No, I didn't do that. All the ones we have. I don't even know why we have that simulation. I made that as a meme, Zod. Like I was just fucking around. I was like, oh, we had the context. You imagine we used this one. It would be so embarrassing if you used this one. We had 17 different flower simulations. We even had a puppy simulation. And you gave him the one simulation that has him drowning in skulls. Crazy pitch. Zod goes like, hey, so you have two choices. One where Zod is actually a good guy and one where Zod is lying. The lying one would just be like, we're just going to live alongside humans. It'll be harmony. We will share technology. You guys will be much better for it. Trust me. Just allow this to happen. We need to extract your blood to get the codex to save Krypton. It'll be great. Your dad and I work together. And Clark will be like, hmm, I don't believe you. I don't know. Yeah. And then you can have the one where he's like, a good guy. But he has to tear off on the planet to save what remains of the Kryptonian bit. And we have to argue, oh, God. Again, every time I think about fixing it, I'm like, we need to scrap all of it and redo it. Plus you're like, you're Zod. And you have been, your life's focus is now finding Clark and you're restoring Krypton. This is your singular goal. You have all of this time and all of these other people to come up with like a plan. What are we going to say to him? How are we going to convince him? You know, he's probably going to be like superpowered and everything like that. What are we going to do? And this is what they did. You could have. It's baffling. You'd have Zod appear to be good. And he's like genuinely conflicted about having to terraform the earth. But then you have Phaeora, who is, I guess, like, you could have her be his wife. And she's like a Lady Macbeth type where she's pushing him to go like, no, no, no, this is what we have to do. Anything. Get it? You know, science is talking about how excited he is to get started on like, you know, bringing up the Kryptonians as odds like all the humans will die and you could have them be like, they're humans. Maybe all the other Kryptonians don't know that. Maybe all the other ones are like, yeah, we're going to live with these humans and we're going to have a planet of our own. There's so much potential in all of these other versions. Anything that we come up with at the top of our head is guaranteed to be better than the crap that was in Man of Steel. If you think about it as well, like, you got the World Engine and the embryos. These are the two things that Zod wants. One to resurrect Kryptonians. And the other to resurrect Krypton. You're like, why does he need to resurrect Krypton? Because his reasoning is the Kryptonians won't grow up in pain like Clark did if they have Krypton atmosphere. He's like, fine, whatever. In any conversation that they had, Clark would have just been, oh, no, it's actually, it's fine. Well, yeah, that's another thing a lot of people invent shit for. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, the kids wouldn't survive it. And it's like, no, that's not what Zod said. He said they'd be in pain like Clark. And what we saw of Clark was very easy to get. It looked like not much more trauma than the average kid goes out, but it gets when growing up in general. Yeah, he was just sick for a little while. He just had like a toothache, essentially. And he was a kid and he was, as a kid, he was able to handle it. And these are adult warriors and they're like, yeah, it'll hurt. Well, let's talk about the growing up the embryos, which by the way, again, assuming this is all true and the world engine gets destroyed, that means that all Zod has left is the embryos. That is his number one concern. And he says to Clark, if you destroy this ship, you destroy Krypton, which by the way, technically correct in terms of if you view Krypton as a people, which is what I said in the stream, which is actually interesting. But again, why the fuck didn't he give up? It would be the kind of thing which would be like, you got me. I can't terraform the place anymore. Now all I want is to make sure I can bring these fuckers to term. Okay, that's it. Yeah, the kids here, the embryos are innocent. Yeah, Zod's flip character completely. He's lost the potential to terraform the planet. So now it's just like, right, the only thing I can do now is just try and grow up the embryos. I have no interest in killing anybody, okay? Let me do it, please. Yeah, anything for this. But no, nobody acts the way they're supposed to. They're all just, I want to punch people. That's like their whole characters. That's also because they're soldiers and that's all they know how to do. Oh, right, a soldier without a role who goes nuts. No, they have no soul. So bad. For those who saves the world. Superman is about morality, about having godlike powers and choosing when to use them and for what purpose. No, it's not about that. The film is not about that. Exactly, you dad isn't one of them, all right? Dude, that fucking episode of Futurama does that better than this. The bender being god. When you're going to be. Oh, dad, yeah, but I mean, are we even going to compare the role of Futurama? You think like, oh, that's unfair because Futurama's good. It's like, it's 20 minutes and they nailed this way better than Man of Steel did. Yeah, you were doing a really good job until everyone died. When you're taking that act, considering he has godlike powers, how the fuck was that covered in this film? You let so many people die and it's. Yeah, like in Futurama, the whole idea is that bender, like his priorities are misplaced and he focuses too much on one group of people over another. They become dependent or they become despondent. And then obviously everybody kills themselves. This is a film about neglect, super neglect. Well, I guess what I'm saying is like, in Futurama, you've got this really interesting sort of commentary on like, well, I mean, if God existed, if he was too present or not present enough, then that may won't be an issue. And maybe that's worth considering in like, Man of Steel, how much should he do and how little should he do. But doing like, at least saving your dad for a fucking tornado. Like, at least do that. No, he trusted his dad and that's why he let him die. Well, it seems like your dad was pretty fucking stupid. Dad, like, I'm sorry, John was wrong. He was a terrible person. He was an idiot. He was an idiot. Dude, he didn't want to live. He clearly didn't want to live. You know, he was probably just tired of farming. He was like, I don't like shit anymore, whatever. Maybe Clark was right. I don't want to be a farmer. In Man of Steel, this guy plays out in the form of an overall theme of choice. Zarell sent his son to Earth so he could have a chance to choose his fate. Unlike the rest of Krypton. Your mother and I believed Krypton had lost him. All right. So, but Jor-El... So Jor-El didn't choose... Okay, so Zod didn't choose to rebel against the system that made him what he is. Yeah, and he didn't choose to destroy Earth. This is the thing. The film never explores the meaning of these choices. Which, by the way, is a super controversial thing for me to say for people who love this film. It's like, it doesn't get over it. It doesn't get over it. Yeah, this film is really, really fucking bad and the world building is trash. Clark never has to make any kind of significant, important and meaningful decision. It's always obvious. And it's just, it's confusing that he ever has trouble with any of them. And then Zod is doing a lot of things, including feeling emotion and making specific choices that make me think like, it's a little bit more complicated than saying he has no choice. I just, I don't believe you. Like, well, he had to be a soldier. It's like, it seems like he's pretty chill with being a soldier. Like, not to say that that's why it works. It's just this idea that, like, look at Zod and then look at Clark, the clear differences in people who get to choose and people who don't. It's like, I don't know. Is that why? I don't know why anyone does the things that they do in this world. If Zod didn't get to choose, that's why he's a horrible monster. Like, what's Clark's excuse? Yeah, I want to, we don't know anything about why people do the things that they do. This is an issue that comes up quite a bit when you have things that are written really terribly. Well, you don't know what to blame on in universe stuff and you don't know what to blame on the fact that it's just shitly written. And Man of Steel fans are happy with explaining, so you bring up, like, why does Zod try to kill everyone in the end? Why does Zod not value the embryos more? Why does Zod try to terraform the whole planet instead of any other planet or instead of brokering peace with the humans? The answer? Well, you see, he was bred to be a soldier. That doesn't answer any of those things. Yeah, and you know those soldiers always wanting to kill. Terraform planet. In terraform planet, it's, you know, it's a... I'm sorry, but like the film... The soldiers. The film might think it answers these... This is what I mean about the whole, like, Zach started trying to generate meaningful decisions. Again, I referenced the fucking opening of Civil War, the choice between blowing up all the people right there or throwing it up and just, you know, hoping for the best and it blows a bunch of people's collateral in a building. Compare that to, maybe you should let children drown. This is not letting them drown. You're like, what the fuck? No, stop, stop. Go back. Why wouldn't you make it a harder choice? This is just a bad movie. Like, I'm picturing, like, a bunch of, you know, like people trying to lift the, you know, what's that device? The Jaws of Life, right? Where it's like... Hell of a later, oh. Well, they have to bring it out to get people out of, like, horrible car accidents and stuff. I'm picturing, like, that and the Jaws of Life haven't made it there yet and they're waiting for it because nobody can lift the car and there's press and there's people everywhere and clocks there. And so is Jonathan. They're just like, shit, I could save them. And it's like, there's one guy, you know? And he might live if clock does nothing, but he will definitely live if clock does something. That, you have to, you have to balance the stakes like that. You can't have it be a whole bus full of children drowning. Yeah. You're gonna have to get way more nuanced with your moral dilemmas because that ain't no moral dilemma. Yeah, it just leaves us confused. I will die if you don't save them versus they might live if you don't do anything. That's a different choice. I think that's way more interesting because clock could decide with Jonathan it's not worth it and then that guy dies and it's like, fuck. Yeah. And you have to deal with that. And that could push clock to being at the point where he's like, I'm always gonna save them every time. I can't let that happen again, that sort of thing. Yeah. That could be a really cool little arc for him. The element of choice of chance. What if a child dreamed of becoming something other than what's intended for him? Wait, do they take away your dreams? And that wouldn't even matter because if he goes to Earth and they don't go by that system, then like, he'd be in a completely different environment. Like, you know when you become like your genetically engineered to be a soldier, do you just, are you like a robot or do you ever think like, you know, I wouldn't mind doing some arts and crafts in my schism at that time. You know what I mean? Like, here on Earth we have this art of war book. It's really great. And they say stuff like, oh yeah, the best general is the one who never has to fight a battle. And things like that. I guess on Krypton it's the opposite. It's like, the more battles, the fucking better, the more it's fucking metal. There's no war happening. Let's go chuds. So you're like, Zod, you're like, hey, bad, do you want to play some Resil 4? You might like it. It's like, at least it's like, maybe I will. I enjoy this violence. I will play this game. I am happy. It's Earthling on Earthling, violence amuses me. Cal-El could inspire the people of Earth to be better if he chose to. They're better than him already. But he doesn't. They're also better than him already. I'm sorry. Most people are better than Clark. Yeah. Like people hate him in the next movie. It's fucking bizarre. I mean, it's not bizarre that they do. Well, it's bizarre that you bring this up as a point for the movie. When the movie does basically nothing to establish that you need to like be an example for them to follow. Oh, and then there's mysterious, enigmatic like person who lets hundreds of thousands of people die due to your negligence. And then they mourn him after he dies, too. Well, this is the thing that like I'm not even using BBS at all. I'm saying that Clark's in Neptune with the amount of power he has, like he's not better than anybody on Earth on average. Oh, yeah, just in this, there's nothing inspiring about Superman in this film at all. He's a terrifying, horrible example of aliens that are dumb. What's almost as dumb to me is having someone to say to Homelander, like you can lead the humans to be better and he'd like smirk and look at the sun like, yes, I could. And we'd all be like, oh, that's pesky Homelander. But because you need him to actually be like a paragon of virtue in order to be like, yeah, you can guide them to be better because honestly, most people are better than Clark. He's apathetic. Oh, definitely lives. Most people get a huge buzz out of even risking their own lives to save someone. They feel like they've done something great and that it'll mean a lot. Meanwhile, Clark, he's almost crying when he's saving people. Why'd you gotta make me go outside? Want to go home? But he doesn't force. That's the thing. Like this is the most they he talks about it here this one time and it never happens. We never see it done. They're not more specific than good. It's like, what do you what do you mean? What is it good? Remember Bridge Between Wheels? Like, is it good for me to help Zod tariff on the planet? Question mark, dad. They talk about these moral dilemmas in the film. Jor-El just says, do good. Okay. Thanks, I guess. To have the same from a different perspective. All these changes that you're going through one day, one day you're going to think of them as a blessing. And when that take. Posing for the sake of. Yes. Sure. Comes. You're going to have to make a choice. A choice of whether to stand proud in front of the human race or not. Above all else, John. I don't even know what that means. Maybe he'll do that sometime. Stand proud in front of them or not. Like, okay. I don't know. Once a good life for his son. And if people knew what he was and what he could do, he would be an outcast from society. No, he wouldn't. Fuck off with that shit. No, no, he wouldn't. That is the dumbest thing. By the way, this world already has the most famous person who ever existed. Remember Wonder Woman 84? This world already has a superhero that's beloved. So get fucked. Yeah, that's right. Shit. Oh my God. Whoops. And this guy apparently doesn't know about Wonder Woman. Well, that's that's that's probably because she keeps on breaking the cameras. A normal life taken away. When the world finds out what you can do, it's going to change everything. Our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human. Why does he even want him to have a normal life instead of an extraordinary life? But why don't you know any of this stuff? He just said that as a warning. Like if people find out who you are, it'll change our perception of what it means to be human. It's like, okay. Okay. That's fine. Like in a bad way? Yeah. Like why does he say that? Like, oh, you don't want to let anyone know about you? Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, it's worth all the people dying so that we don't have to have harsh questions about what it means to be human. Find, I guess. Like, oh, you're just a bad person. No, it's because Jonathan wants to protect his son. It's actually really emotional and justified. It's to protect him from paparazzi. It clocks at the time. I guess. Oh, no. Everything. Parade of what they don't understand. This is also the answer to another part of the question. But they can't do anything to you. You're super random. Why does Clark's father tell you that you should have- Oh, they're done. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. Look who are done with that. They presented no evidence. If anything, contradictory information, and then they fucked off to the next point. All right then. Yeah, this movie is bad. They've also highlighted to me just how fucking vague this movie is when it comes to developing characters. They say stuff, and you're supposed to just kind of figure it out for yourself. Yeah. You see, humans won't understand you. It's like, you see? So Clark doesn't want to do it because he's spooked by being an outcast. Like, is that really with people dying? Movie, do you know what you're saying? And then that person's probably like, no, no, no, no. But anyway, I'm very excited because this- this one, good luck with this one video. On the bus drown. He's not telling Clark yes, you should let all children die just to selfishly protect yourself. He's only implying it. He's only implying it. He's only saying maybe you should. This is maybe. Maybe you should. Maybe you should. He's saying that it was worth considering. Yeah, rewind. Nobody ever said that Jonathan Kent wants Clark to kill all children, okay? That wasn't the criticism. That is good. He says it's- it maybe it's worth it to let all of those children die to protect your little secret. Which is fucking absurd. He is a moral monster. Fuck this guy. Yup. Fuck him. He is a horrible person yourself. He's saying maybe. Because we all watch the video. He's saying maybe. I said that's 80 letters. That's better. I didn't say that the Holocaust was good. I said maybe it was good. Because it's obvious he doesn't know the answer to the question. He should know the answer to the question. He should because he's an adult human. Oh my god. They're a hard question to ask. You're fucking horrible. For some reason, Zach's not decided that this was a hard question. It's so obvious to all of us that, hey, if we have a kid that is like an alien with incredible superpowers and they end up saving a bus full of kids from drowning, but that like risks exposing their identity. I think that we all know how we'd react if you say, good job, sport. Let's go get some ice cream. I want to reward you for what you did. The funny thing to me is exactly if my superpowered son saved a busload of children, I would be like, you are a goddamn hero. You did the right thing. You are an amazing person. Can I take you to the ball game? Wonderful. Yeah. Like I am so proud. I'm more proud of you than words can even express. If there was even a hint that that theoretical son was regretting the decision, I would want to get that out of his head immediately. I'd be like, no, no, no, no. What you've done is infinitely meaningful. You've all of those people will now go on to live lives thanks to you. Like. Yeah. You don't understand. Think of all their parents who would have been devastated. You know, think of all the horror and the tragedy that you saved the world. Like, that's what it is to be a good person. Like, dad, what if they find out my secret? It's like, then they'll find out what an amazing person you are, Clark. That's a that's a writing. If all these kids died, if all these kids died in a bus accident in our little small town of Smallville, Kansas in the middle of but fuck nowhere, this would be one of the only things that people would talk about. This would be the town where that bus full of kids drowned. But you prevented that. Yeah, this would have been Columbine. Yeah. They're actually trying to defend this, though. That's amazing. I know it's insane. People really want to defend this shitty movie. We all we are all on the same page. Meanwhile, in this meanwhile in video essay land, well, I was going to say we should have had a list by now, but just immoral video essayists. We have a lot of them. Protect yourself. He's saying maybe because it's obvious he doesn't know the answer to the question. He's a horrible person. That's what I mean. That's the criticism, dude. We're criticizing the fact that he doesn't know the answer. It makes him a terrible human being. And by the way, the film is not aware of Jonathan Kent being a horrible person. That's another big issue. The phone thinks it's a hard choice. If they were to just do this like in a sort of cynical way where it was like, yeah, Superman's father was a piece of shit is like, OK, well, this is a an unfaithful adaptation. But at least if you're aware of that, then I'll roll with it so long as the arc is actually well written. This is not it. This only flies if you're in like a group of friends that regularly just back each other up that this is a hard choice to make. It's just like, no, it's not. Yeah, this is what like this is child level morality. And even then I don't even I don't even know that's true. That's being really stretching there. Because kids want to most kids kind of want to be heroic, you know, they want to save the day and all that sort of thing. Sure. And I bet most people would be open about their powers anyway. They'd be like, yeah, I'm fucking Superman. I got all these cool powers. I could save the day. I'm amazing. Look at me, everybody. I know you'll be an outcast. Right. Everyone will hate you. There's more at stake here than just our lives, Clark, or the lives of those around us. Be specific, Jonathan. Yeah. Oh, my God, Jonathan, please be specific. I agree, Jonathan. Lives are at stake. The lives that he saved. It's just amazing to me because like you could tell even the writers were struggling with this one. They're like, how are we going to justify this? It's like, well, tell him that there's just so much at stake. There's just so much. You know, what are you talking about? When you say that, what do you mean? Like what if he just go ahead? Well, just just the concept alone of like, what's the worst case scenario? The government fucking execute both of his parents. They steal him. They poke him and cut him up and discover what it is that makes him tick. Oh, my God, but at least the best for the children is safe. Like, I'll always fall back on it to me. I don't understand. And that's the worst case scenario, best case scenario. You fucking have the government being like, holy shit, you can help us. Like, you know, you can help everyone. You're amazing potential. Yeah, you're insane. Like if there's a natural disaster, can you like help out? We'll pay you. Exactly. You're amazing. Can we study you? That it's a complicated it also isn't at this not here. It's not complicated. At this point, at Clark's current age, have they not figured out that basically nothing can penetrate his skin? Nothing can penetrate his thick skull. This is the thing. I was kind of going with all those arguments assuming the government even could capture him, but there's no reason to think that. No, not at all. There's more at stake here than just our lives, Clark, or the lives of those around us. He recognizes that it's a complicated issue, but ultimately he not here is not our future adult self. He doesn't want Clark to have to face the consequences until he's ready. You just have to decide what kind of man you want to grow up to be Clark. Do you know what I mean about the vagueness? Until he's ready for stuff that could happen. He gives like here's the thing that it's to Clark whatsoever. Yeah, listen, listen, you know what? You know what your job is? Dad, you know what your job is to your kid? Dad, it's this. You're the one who's supposed to be getting him ready for that sort of thing. Dad, that's your job, dad. Fuck. This whole thematic through line of like the power and the, I don't know, the greatness of choice. Like it's always, so it's just presented so weirdly. It's just thrown onto a scene like, I don't know, fucking rags butter and butter and some bread. And I'm just like, you got to decide if you get older or not. Not fucking butter and bread, man. You're going to be buttering more or less, you know? That'll be your decision to make one day. Just like, what are you? What? I was like, are you okay? And then you're like repairing a car. And I'm like, you know, you might not be repairing cars when you're older. That's a choice you'll have to these choices are all things that I was just going to do anyway. Like, why are you even? Uncasual reexamination. Maybe Clark is a lot better off because his father didn't really teach him a lot of stuff about how to be a man. Just kept telling him he's going to have to make choices. He never gave him like a foundation to work with. Like, you know what? It's always going to be worthwhile to save even one life. Like even at the cost of your identity, Clark, because life is precious. And, you know, that sort of thing. Instead, he's like, I don't think maybe the other thing, you know, of the choice he did, just the other thing. It's not about, you know, lives are more important than personal inconvenience and, you know, life's meaning and value and I value your life and you should value the lives of others around you. He does like normal people stuff. Like, you know, he would fucking let them die. Because for that man, he has good character or bad. He's going to change the world. Whatever happened to great, with great power comes great responsibility. Like, whatever happened, this is like the opposite of that. This is the anti that, this movie. With great power comes great choices to where the children should go out. Like what? Like I said, this is equivalent to Uncle Ben basically telling Peter, maybe you should let people die. Maybe you should just fucking kill them, hunt them down. Kill them all, Peter. Kill them all, Peter. Spider-Man's away. The same exact sentiment. We wanted you to learn what it meant to be human first. So the one day, on the time of trial. I think you do a shitty job. You know what's funny, by the way, he says what it meant to be human. When he's cycling through the potential planets to Sound Clock 2, he's looking at the details of Earth and he's like, ah, they seem to be of relative intelligence. They've got, like a similar physiology. He'll be, and then thinking he's like, oh, he'll be at Outcast, then he's like, nah, he'll be at God. What I'm trying to say is, he has no fucking clue what humans are. He's just like, oh, you can go there. And then this CD is like, we wanted you to know what it's like to be human first. It's like, what do you mean? You don't even fucking know. What are you saying that? What? Stupid AI. The AI wouldn't even have known what fucking planet this was. I can't remember if he took the AI before or after because remember he picks it out of the little goomp, the goomp stuff. I don't fucking know whatever. I guess you would. You could be the bridge between two peoples. No. What does that mean, dad? It means you have to destroy the embryos' clock. The children, Clark, killed them all. Oh my God, Jonathan Kent was right. You have to make room for the Kryptonians who will show up eventually. Kill the children. He's like, dad, are you sure I should blow up the embryo sort of area? He's like, the strong. No doubt in my mind. Do it twice. Important thing about this scene, he's reinforcing my decision to help mankind. You're doing the right thing. And I get his blessing, which is, which is a vital... There's no choice. Henry. Henry, I know you really want this to be the case. Henry, remember what just happened. But that didn't happen. You got off the platform where you were shown the skull thing and the blowing up of earth and the declaration that as much as you might get like 100 Kryptonians and maybe the start of a population, all of humanity has to be erased. It's like, oh, he's reinforcing my decision to choose them. It's like, strictly from a, you know, logistic... I should hope so? Yeah, like, I don't... This is what I mean about the movie. I don't get it. Where is the choice? Why is this meaningful? I think any child to get the blessing of their parent or their peers. And in this case, it was my parent. And it was, it's very poignant and very important to my character. When the tornado hits, John Ken recognizes that Clark is being forced into a situation where saving his father would expose him before he was even ready. How does he know he's not ready? He also forced that to happen instead of letting Clark go and collect those people. Yeah, he couldn't stop Clark if he wanted to. Clark lets it happen. So I love that sentiment. It's like, oh no, the will's not ready. What does that mean? The will's not ready. Yeah, but what does that mean? It's not ready. Yeah, like, will they be ready and like, will I be ready in a year or two? Or what do I have to learn? What do I not know yet? If you're alive, you could explain these things to me later. Oh, well. That would be helpful. Oh, my God. Fuck it. Clark, just use your ice breath and create a fog and then go and get him. So no one can see you. It's all good. His son's free choice responsibility of his origin and powers is more important to him. In fact, he makes the choices worse, though. I also don't like this notion that... Yeah, this is what I mean. It's bad in both ways, right? So on the hand of, he made the choice to let his dad die. I'm fucking stupid and I don't even believe it's in character. But then the idea that like, Jonathan took the choice away and said, no, do not save me or something. You're like, isn't that, shouldn't it be up to Clark? Why are you saying no? Isn't this like an important moment for him to decide? You could stand there blankly, just like, well, it's up to you, boy. I don't know in another opportunity like this is gonna arise, honestly. He holds up a yes and no sign and he's like spinning it around. Like, which one do you go choose? He's like, please save me. Please save him. Please save him. Please save him. Him and his own life. Why doesn't Clark use his super speed to save his father from the tornado? Because it would fucking kill him, I presume, right? Whiplash. But I mean you could... Um, hmm. So presumably he could use super speed I think people will be able to figure it out, right? Because one person would be gone, and it would clearly be him. And they would be like... Well, would they be paying close attention to like everyone around them? Yeah, I mean, it's a traumatic event. It was loud. There was a bunch of stuff going on. There was a lot of chaos. You could be like everyone white here and runs like behind them a little bit, crosses behind, you know, because they're in an overpass thing, right? You could cross just behind a corner and they go, and you know, no one will really know what they saw. Yeah, or he could just run like faster than normal and everyone will say, wow, yeah, he was moving really fast. Like, wow, that guy could run. What if he walked up to his dad? And this is gonna be crazy. And grabs him, the tornado picks them both up as tornadoes do, and he just flies him to safety and then tells everyone, yeah, we got so lucky, it like flung us across, and we like, you know, rolled off on the grass. We just got real lucky with the tornado. Crazy. Yeah, people would have just treated it as just a miraculous survival situation. You're like, wow, that's crazy. Unlike me. The more you think about this scene, the more it just fucking breaks. It's terrible. What's that really bad thing? Are we talking about Clark moving so quickly that everyone who's currently watching John Kent would see him blinking out of existence? Aside from taking away the important light? I mean, you don't even have to do it that way, but yeah, sure. Yeah, that would be, yes, that would be fine. Yeah. It's worthless, and we just learned from John Kent. Clark can't do that. It's not a life lesson. What is the life lesson? It's, don't save people, please. Yeah, they're all literally watching Jonathan. No one's got their eyes on Clark. You know, I don't think it's a little unlikely that no, forgive me for saying it, but no guy felt like, you know what, that guy just saved a bunch of people. I'm going to go try and get him. Fuck it. I'm actually going to go try and help him. Yeah, why does this movie hate people? I guess all of them were too afraid to help him. It's like, all right then. It's a life lesson we just learned from John Kent. Clark can't do that at this point in the movie. As far as the audience knows, the only superpowers Clark has discovered at the time of the tourney. Oh, this thing, you might not even have super speed. Okay, what do you mean? But they, I don't think we have any definitive reference. But why would that be an issue? Anyway, has there ever been a point in Clark's life before this point where he's needed to get his life somewhere really quickly? Well, so I was going to say, this three counters to this. First being, he might have it. You'd have no fucking clue. You're arguing from thin air. Two, he can run. He can run, yeah. He can still run. The third being like all the other things we've mentioned in terms of not only how this scene was constructed, but how he could have saved him. Like it's just, this is, you're going to have to try so much harder than this. You know, our action, heat vision, and super strength. And in fact, at no point in the movie do we ever see Superman with ridiculous, except when he's flying. We do see other... Wait, so he can't run fast? Wait, since when could you fly at super speeds, you can't move at super speeds, but that doesn't... And also, we know that Superman can move super fast now, thanks to Justice League. Oh, RIP, yeah, true. Yeah. But not fast enough that nobody would notice. The Superman in this movie. That's very far. That's basically instantaneous. Yeah, and she's, by the way, this isn't a fair comparison because she's going zigzagging through people rather than one, you know, A to B. That's really far away. So that's not a good comparison. He can't run that fast. Also, that's just proof that Kryptonians can go super speed, so thanks, I guess. Yep. How does Superman... Oh, that's it. Yeah, okay. Oh, wow. Wow. How does Superman... Do you want to defend this movie or not? You ain't doing a good job. You're just reminding us of why it's terrible. Also, hey, look, we were talking about this. How does Superman's suit magically end up on the scout ship that ship's been there for 20,000 years? Man's suit, man, the scout ship. That ship has been there for 20,000 years. What you're looking at here is not a Superman suit. It's the Unatard worn by every Kryptonian. Unatard? It takes a Unatard to defend this movie. You can't say Unatard anymore. It's not PC. Also, that doesn't work because the Unatards that they wear are black and this one is blue and red. Why is this colored in this way? It's a special one. That's the thing. Why is it special? I just want to know that. All of it's weird, dude. The fact that the ship's even here. What's the deal? Why? It's so weird. The House of El on it. Since the House of El is made up of scientists, it makes sense they would be involved in Kryptonism. This is the movie of El. This is the movie of El. Space exploration expansion missions. This is the uniform of one of Super... He says it makes sense that they would be involved in space exploration because they're scientists. Like they spanned their fucking civilization across the galaxy. All scientists are space scientists. I just... Everyone... It doesn't fucking matter. Everybody has a reason to be across the... They spread their civilization across hundreds of thousands of years. Only scientists got to go to space. I just like this idea. If you're not a scientist, you don't get to go to another planet. Also, I'm pretty sure that's Supergirl, by the way. Hi. Awesome. Is it? Yeah. See this? She's got the little ass outfit. This is the body he fights. I love how that's a nice opportunity lost for no reason at all. Yeah. I was like, why'd you do that? I was like... It was real sad. I don't know. Just no big fan of Supergirl. It's like, oh, you can just make her whatever you want, right? Like, you don't have to... She's a mummy. Really bizarre for this. Exploration expansion missions. I thought that DC were making a Supergirl movie or was it a Batgirl movie? It's just a term for two and a half hours lying in a coffin. If they did, then people were like, wait, but this is supposed to be Supergirl, right? They'd be like, no, fuck that. Whatever. No, that was Supercissy. She's dead. I don't know. Whatever that is, not Supergirl. I need to know, because this universe is just... No, it would... No. So they have announced that they're going to make a film about Supergirl in 2018, and there's been nothing since. So I guess maybe that's... Dude, this list of DC films, I need to read it to you, because it's insane. The Amazon's Batgirl. Blackhawk. Blue Beetle. Booster Gold. Dead Shot. Booster Gold. The fuck is Booster Gold? I don't know who that one. I don't know who Booster Gold is. He's just a guy, I guess. Dead Shot. Deathstroke. Gotham City Sirens. Green Lantern Cause, which is meant to be maybe Macquarie. Christopher Macquarie, the guy who does... Mission Impossible. Yeah, Mission Impossible. Harley Quinn versus the Joker, which was announced in 2017. And then apparently we'll commence after Birds of Prey. Well, it's been a year. So I don't know if that's happened. A Joker film. Lobo. Man of Steel sequel. New Gods. Nightwing. Plastic Man. Static Shock. Supergirl. The Trench. And Wonder Woman 3. The Trench. That's a spinoff of Aquaman based on those weird Trench monsters in the film. How's that a whole movie though? I don't know. Man of Steel 2 is not happening. We're never getting it. I don't think that Henry Cavill's ever coming back as Superman. I would put money on it. Apparently, Jeb's gun got the choice to do a Man of Steel sequel, but he wanted to do Suicide Squad. He made the right decision. Imagine a James Gunn sequel to a Zack Snyder movie. That would be so... Yeah. That would be like Thor 2 to Thor Ragnarok. It would be like unrecognizable tones. Wait, what? But it would be way better. Oh, definitely. I believe in James Gunn quite so. Yeah. I just find it fascinating. He did The Guardians movies, didn't he? Yeah, man. I'm super excited about the one which will probably be the only good DC movie. That's going to be super interesting. Honestly, even if it's a 5 out of 10, we'll be like, whoa. How did they achieve such incredible mediocrity? I'm a little more optimistic than that about The Suicide Squad. Dude, if it's fun, that's all I want. Make it fun. Let's have some fun, please. Dude, a 5 out of 10 on the consistency scale could still be fun enough and worth watching. You know what I mean? I wouldn't be surprised if it tops the rest. People say that we're like really snobs and we just nitpick everything and we have unrealistic expectations for everything. Literally, you can have an average movie that's just fun and we'll be satisfied. Hey, if they think that a DCEU movie that obtains mediocrity is an unrealistic standard, I mean, their words, not ours. It's the form of one of Superman's ancestors. And it's blue instead of black because that was probably the style back then. That's your explanation. That was probably the style back then. Let me do it more right. Someone's like, what the fuck is that ship? Why is the suit there? How come it happens to be Kryptonians? 20,000 years ago, how was it? Kryptonian probably crash-landed there 20,000 years ago, who happened to be a member of the House of El and there was a ship suit in there and they died when they crashed and they used to have suits different colors. There you go. That explains all that. Yeah. Remember, this is really bad for many reasons. First, if this ship never crashed here, Zod would never have made it to Earth, or at least wouldn't for ages. Secondly, had the ship been found slightly earlier by the government, Superman wouldn't have been able to activate it himself and activate Zod to suit and all that shit, theoretically. That is all based on him hearing two guys talking at a bar. We're talking the fundamental major elements of this film, a build. That's pretty solid cause and effect. He's just in a bar, he hears a guy. A couple of guys talking about an anomaly and then just decides to investigate it. It happens to be the thing that's perfectly fine cause and effect, Mueller. You're just nitpicking. You're just being unfair to this movie. I knew it. A thousand years ago. Okay. Lois Lane recognized Clark. She does. You know in the writer's room was like cause allegedly this video had writers too. They were trying to come up with reasons of why the suit was the way it is, where it was. And they put their heads together and God bless them, they tried. And this is what they came up with and they're like, I guess this is good enough. I'm sure they tried. I mean, I mean, I mean, like words made it into spoken form into a video. So some kind of something was done at some point. Yeah. Yeah. I was asking this next one. This is not a criticism I have. She does recognize him. I'm pretty sure that the ending shot implies that she realizes it's him. She definitely knows it's him. The real question is why doesn't Earth? Well, cause in the original, a lot of my, a lot of this has started out with in the original. But like in the original, because they look kind of the same. Part of the huge difference is because Clark Kent acts in a completely different way than Superman. He's slouched over. He's nervous. He stutters a little bit. He stumbles around in his words. He follows behind people. He's very submissive. He's very timid and shy. And he plays that so well because Christopher Reeve is a great actor in this sense. But Superman is the polar opposite that Clark Kent is. And so that helps lead and credibility to the idea plus technology at the time that it would have been, you know, reasonable that they wouldn't have put, you know, they would have been like, oh, it's just a coincidence, but they're definitely not the same person. And this is just Superman in the suit and Superman not in the suit. Yeah, with glasses on. It's like you're clearly the same person. The original. We should really watch the original. I'd like to rewatch that. I want to rewatch it too. Yeah. After seeing the VVS and MOS, I think it's called POS. But yeah, after seeing these two movies, it should, I would like to see the original. That would be pretty fun. She does. She all but winks at him. She's known he was Clark Kent the whole time. Clark! Why didn't you say that first? Also, there's no one else around at that point, right? I always worry about that. Films never seem to care. What are these arguments? She's not an argument that we would ever propose. She won't see the last sentence. She's not supposed to know that. I don't care about the comics. She's not supposed to know that. So some of the things that we questioned were shouldn't Lois figure out who he is. It just seemed idiotic that she couldn't. Even Warner Brothers at first questioned that because that's just the way it's always been that she couldn't figure it out. And we just thought we can't do that. It would make her look like an idiot. Oh, God, yeah, it is. Hold on. I'm sorry. They objected to what Warner Brothers was saying about her not recognizing Clark because it would make her look like an idiot. Wow. Why didn't you use this rationale to literally every other character in these movies at literally every other plot point? Because fuck you! It depicted in a more realistic, relatable way. Oh, fuck you! We have to have an eye hop, so it's realistic. Yeah, we have to make it realistic. That's why we're going to have Josh say, maybe you should let those kids... It needs to be realistic. That's why our cape is CGI. It needs to be realistic. That's why everyone in Metropolis is like, he saved us after he destroys half the city. Or realistic, relatable way. And I say realistic in air quotes. We had to get rid of that. Yeah, this movie is good in air quotes. I agree with this one. I don't even know what their relationship is. I feel like they don't even have a relationship. Why do they like each other? What do they see in each other? Do you remember when she polarized one of my wounds? That was nice of him. Do you remember when she holds his hand and we were like, wait, what? I wish I could make a woman scream like that. They have a relationship. The only thing is, he says like, you believed in me at one point and I remember thinking to myself like, well, because she didn't want to tell you a story, but she totally still did. She leaked her story. Do you remember that? Yeah. And then he said, don't pursue the story further. Oh dude, it's so funny. I remember, because I was talking to Metta when I was like, I'd rewatched the films. He got... Lawrence Fishburne doesn't know what he's supposed to think in the scene because he's like a collection of thoughts all at once. The first thing, so everyone is like, oh my God, you don't want to go to his room. You're in trouble because of leaking the story to that. I guess some kind of website or whatever, because she wants to get the story out about the alien. Ghostfucker.net. Yeah. And he's pissed at it. So she comes in. Do you remember when he's like, you're odd leave? And she goes, okay. He's like, oh, you're okay with being put odd leave, huh? I'll make the leave longer. What? Yeah, that's weird. Where is it? Yeah. So this is... I've got the notes. These are the main points of their whole conversation. The dialogue is ass. It goes... This is all from Perry's point of view, right? Lawrence Fishburne. So fuck you for releasing the story to those people. Second point. I'm supposed to sue you over this, according to our publishers. Third point. You shouldn't be dropping this case, though. This situation, this journalism thread. And the only reason that you would is because it wasn't getting the traction that you wanted. Right? So he hates it for doing it. He's supposed to sue here, but he's annoyed that she's dropping it. And then he says, also, it's good that you're dropping it. Right? It's like whiplash. It's good that you're dropping it because we don't want to publish stories about aliens because we might make people panic. Which is not something newspapers give a fuck about. I'm sorry. In fact, they would probably go as far as saying, Holy shit, you've got a story about aliens that's credible and provable. That's like the biggest story we'll ever have all year. And then he cranks her suspension up. The whole scene is confusing. Crank her suspension up. I don't know what his... I could hear you smile. Shut up. I don't know what his actual character is, is what I'm getting at. I don't know what he wants. He says a bunch of things. This is all very weird. I'm mad at you. I would very safely put the Superman Lois romance is one of the weakest... Oh, I wasn't talking about that. Okay, which is worse, the prequel romance or the romance here? Prequel romance is actually developed. It's just shitty development. There's no development here. I was going to say the sheer amount of time they spend together in the prequels is better than this, right? I guess so. They go to locations that are super romantic and just hang with each other while being attractive people. That's more than what this film does. I mean, if that's not romance, I don't know. Yeah, I know, right? You hit all the barkers. I mean, Superman falls in love with a ginger despite being bullied by a ginger in his childhood. Changed that ginger's life and the ginger helped him, though. So he knows that ginger's are redeemable. Okay. His personal confirmation. This movie's deep. Yeah, I didn't want to drop that, though. This movie is the trench. We haven't even talked about Perry at all in either coverage, the Lawrence Fishpins character, and that's all I really wanted to say on him. He's not really anything, and that one scene makes me wonder what even is he as a person. The most interesting thing he ever does is when Lois is like, I need an airplane or helicopter story in BVS, and he says no. And then she says it's not to do with journalism. And then he says yes. That's the only thing that I've ever even had to think about his character for. I guess unless the fact that he's like, I'm going to let my journalist take a helicopter for personal reasons during this cataclysm, that is something to think about, I guess, in terms of just what even... Maybe that's just more of a wrench in his character. But then, of course, there's the efforts he puts into trying to save one of his workers during the apocalypse in Man of Steel. That's something. Yeah. There's his weird hesitance to not get the fuck out of his building sooner, but that's a lot of people, apparently. But anyway, convince me. Why did Lois and Clark fall in love? Quickly. Met each other. Who said they were in love? Do you mean... wait, what? I guess they never used the word. I was going to stop and make a joke about you mean Lois, but then he said a dumb and now we have to go back. Okay, let's take a look. Lois and Clark fall in love too quickly. They just met each other. Who said they were in love? These are two very attractive, single people who have shared a few intense experiences. Oh my God, he made my argument. Did you watch the fucking movie film? That's the argument I made as a joke for the prequels. Like... What? The... Is he... His argument is they're not in love. His argument is just they're attractive people they've kissed. Is... But then they date afterwards, so then live together. Well, no, I would just be like, oh, that's all you're claiming that was in the film? Was just two hot people saying, hey, we could kiss because we're hot. Fine. I think it was. Well, that's what I mean, dude. They clearly have an immense amount of attraction and care for one another. It's unexplained. If this is what he wants, like, fine. You win. It's incredibly meaningless, isn't it? Because that seems to be what his argument is. Also, an odd point of confusion for people who don't even know that they're not in love. I just can't believe the defense of this was, they're not in love. They just, they just want a boink, okay? They're just shallow. The best that Superman could do is Amy Adams. Why would you say that that way? Why would you say, yeah, what the hell are you talking about? Really? He can do better. Superman can do better. I'm not sure what I feel like Amy Adams is incredibly attractive. Like, this is perplexing to me that you would say this. I mean, way better than Amy Adams. I, alright, whatever. Search your heart, you know what to be true. Well, like, give me an example. Who would you, who? Huh? I mean, in the sense that he's like an 11 out of 10. Like, sure. But I mean, Amy Adams is up there. Would you say that Amy Adams is a 10 out of 10? Um, do we get to... I feel like she's... Do we get to choose an age? If so, yes. Right. Like, in terms of... Like, I can make... Well, like, you can pick a period of time, right? Like, Catherine Zeta-Jones, when she's like 30, is like, holy shit. Yeah. She's still really attractive now, but in her 30s, you know, it's like, oh, Jesus Christ, you know? So, like, if you can pick an age, that influences probably. This is a very attractive woman here. Yeah. Like, I don't know what to tell you, right? Amy Adams is a 10 out of 10. I never said she wasn't. I never said she wasn't. Yeah, but you know, like, oh, dude, better. It's like, what do you... You say that, like, it's quite obvious. Like, you're doing... Maybe this, but that's all right. All right, then. Of course, a bit of physical effected. And since when is one kiss a relationship, what is this, kindergarten? Dude, if you want to argue that it's a meaningless relationship, I'm gonna thumb you up. You're absolutely right. Matt, these are two adults, and they're not just... They're really kissing. This is what I mean. Like, I think he agrees with the idea that there's nothing between them in this film other than they kiss. And that's awkward because it seems to me that there was something. The film wanted us to think there was something. But no. Clearly it did. Dude, even the people who were saying this film is amazing are saying there was nothing really between them. It's like, I don't know what to tell you. It's just like... I don't know how often it happens that these two just complete strangers are like, I guess we're both kind of hot. We'll just start making out all of a sudden in the middle of all this destruction. In the middle of that, yeah. Hence the question. Well, I don't know the crater that used to be Metropolis. Honestly, I think they're straw-manning the person they're responding to. Like, if I said why are they in love and he said they're not in love, they're just doing the kissing. I'd be like, okay, so why are they doing that? Because they're hot? Yeah. Like, oh. Well... So, does that make the film better or worse? I would say... I'm just glad to know that I had all the references already. You know, I was expecting him to say, like, oh, there's this scene where there's this dialogue and he explains the connection, you know, X, Y, Z, and I'd be like, oh, okay, I could judge that, but nope. There's... Yep, you got it. Kiss after the final battle is totally off-putting. Yes. Yeah, completely. Yeah, because it's just weird. They're in a fucking graveyard. These aren't like characters. They are in an active graveyard. Yeah. Yeah, surrounded by body parts and bones. Oh, my God. He's kissing her while there are people screaming for help in that city. That's terrible. If you can give me, like, an example, like a reference, a real-life reference of, like, a couple kissing on ground zero as 9-11 is playing out, I will give this a pass. Like, okay, fine, it's possible. No, I won't. It's possible. I'll say it's possible. I'm not gonna say it's like... It's not totally off-putting. It's just as weird as those other people. Is that true? Also, I still think it's even weird. He has super hearing. He wants to save people's lives. He can hear. He can hear all the people who are currently trapped under the rubble. That's awful. And he's like, nah, guys, you can wait, all right? Once again, Henry Cavill's Superman. It's got to do with Henry himself. God damn it, man. Place after the final battle, it takes place right after Superman returns from destroying the world end. You've got no argument. Stop. There are people dying. Stop it. People dying. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's saying that this doesn't take place after the final battle. It takes place during the final battle, basically. Oh, yeah, that's an odd defense. Imagine crawling. That's an interesting strategy you've chosen. Replay this. This after the final battle is totally off-putting. Well, this after the final battle, it takes place right after Superman returns from destroying the world engine. You walked into a horrific trap where you were forced to explain how the film was worse than it actually is. This kind of shit, we don't see it very often when you respond to an argument and you improve their argument against you. Like, oh, no. Interesting tactic. It wasn't after the battle, it was in the middle of it. Like, during the, you know, in the middle of D-Day, while you're all trying to storm the beach, you just got two people making out while they're walking around. Again, 9-11. This is like, I want to say about 59-11s have happened on this day. This is 9-11 too. Just imagine saving Private Ryan, somebody shouting like, Manic! The dude's like, hey, shut up! Also, I want to correct, 9-11s happened to happening. Like, all the buildings that have been crippled, possibly falling, different rooms falling apart, people rushing to escape, trying to help other people out of wreckage, he's fucking kissing it. You've got the one person that's capable of saving everyone. They're just taking a break to kiss her. Yeah, there are people dying while this is happening. You have first responders at 9-11 that are just kissing each other in the middle. We know that that's the case, but he can hear the screams. Yeah. Terrible. All of you. Again, it's not just, like, terrible. It's also just like, this just doesn't happen. Hence, like, my earlier comment was like, okay, fine. If you can give me an example of this happening in real life, it's like, fine, it doesn't happen in real life, but it's, you know, still bullshit, still questionable. Filmmaking standpoint, this kiss is right where it needs to be. No. No. You're an idiot. Filmmaking standpoint. Where you put this is after all of the fight, an undisclosed amount of time and then a grassy field where he meets with her and they can kiss then, okay? Not here. Jesus Christ, not here. After everything has been resolved, the dust has settled and the... We can imagine he helped people and he's kissing her on his off time, you know? Sure, that is... After a moment of... Well, I mean, we know better, right? Because he's an asshole, he wouldn't help people. Oh, yeah. Like, we know that. Maybe he's still like, yeah, but should I save people to keep my identity secret even now? Of triumph. You know, they say it's all downhill after the first kiss. Jesus Christ, I didn't even know that was in the film. Oh, my God. What a weird line. We are standing in corpses. You're a horrible people. It almost seems like a meta-line from Amy Adams here. Like... It's all downhill from Manistino. Jesus. Who says it's all downhill after the first kiss? Why are you responding to this? What is this video? You read-send it. Oh, by the way, we are only a third of the way through the block. Oh, God, no. God! He says it dressed like a chicken. It's all downhill after the first kiss. Okay. Why are you even... Oh, my God. All right. Is this just like, I know about a thing, and I need to put it in my video so everyone knows that I know about this thing? Like, dude, find even worse arguments. Do it. Find the ones that said, you know, this one sucks because there's not... Henry Cavill isn't in it. And then you go, yes, he is. Look. Oh, my God. I nailed it. He's allegedly in it. Criticism. This is nit-picking. Why'd you bring it up, then? Then why'd you bring it up? More picking. I don't like your nit-picking. Keep it... Keep the nit-picking to a... to a minimum. Shit. Why is it lowest lane? Pulled into the black... Ooh. Here we go. Oh, this is interesting. Ooh, yeah. Here we go. How heavy is she? Is she heavier? Who being heavier would not stop a black hole from grabbing it like this? Yeah. I mean, it would be slower. Like, if she was insanely super mega dense, her effect would not be as strong as being pulled in. The only person that a black hole could not suck in would be Movie Bob. Like, if it... Yeah, if it was Movie Bob, he would definitely hit the ground before the black hole effect took place because of his incredible density in mass. It would be funny if it explodes. They land. Superman puts it down. She goes, oh, thank God. And he just, like, looks at her with, like, you know, like the molestressed emoji. He's just like, what are you? How did you do that? And she's like, what? And he's like, I don't... She's playing yourself, human. Are you Kryptonian, too? We'll be pulled in. As Zod explains to Cal earlier in the movie, the same technology that imprisoned Zod in the Phantom Zone is used in Kryptonian Phantom Drives for opening wormholes to get to other parts of the universe through the Phantom Zone. You haven't explained anything yet. Okay. To remind the viewers at home, what Zod says in the movie is we... No, sorry, not Zod. The fucking General and Superman, they say if we clash the Phantom Drive on Zod's ship with the Phantom Drive on my ship, we will create a singularity. And then he says, a black hole. He's like, yeah, it'll destroy the ships. Fucking blows my mind that they were willing to do that in the first place. But, uh, you have a black hole. Please explain to me why it doesn't grab it. To retrofit the projector into our hyperdrive, the problem made a similar modification to the craft that brought you here. The black hole that's created by Jarell's plan is intended to send Zod and his crew back to the P Zone. I can't send them back. Oh my God, he's trying to do it. He's this fucking pathetic human is attempting to do it. Wow. He thinks that black hole's just like pick and choose. Like, oh that right over there. This is not normal. No, that's Amy Adams. She's got to fall. But this isn't, this isn't it functioning as usual. It'll suck in buildings. This is, this is, But it won't suck her in. But this, what I'm trying to get at is like, he's trying to like argue like an operational thing. Like this is not operational. They are destroying two drives to create a black hole. Yeah. This is entirely unusual for these, this is not what they were built for, is my point. I can't send them back. And evidently only affects things that have already been through the P-Zone. Such as Zod. No. His crew. That doesn't make sense because there's cause. There's cause of debris getting sucked in. Yeah. Through his ships and Superman. And apparently it pulls in bits. Really? No, you're done. You're done. Sorry. You lose. If it's sucking shit in from the ground, it's sucking her in too. I'm sorry, twin perfect. Yeah. And it's a, it's a black hole. Use a mountain pre-ed. I like, I like it when it all discriminates. It's like, have you been to the phantom zone? Have you been to the phantom zone? Come on in, buddy. Let me just, I want to, I've got the movie up. I've got the movie up. I'm going to just find, I just want to, I just need a screenshot of it grabbing a car. That's all I want. And then we're good. As soon as I get that, because the rubble is enough, but I want more. Give me more. It goes. Black hole is created. I guess I'll show it on Yeah, there's all the Kryptonians getting sucked in it's funny how they get sucked in faster than anything on their ship does even though the ship is I assume this is logic has been Flying around I guess has been to the P zone like why does why would it work that way? You know and also if they they took all of the technology from the Kryptonian worlds, so Most of their stuff probably isn't even from the Phantom Zone Yeah, they took stuff from you right that they said the wheeled Argument they took all the technology from the destroyed Kryptonian worlds, which is his own fuck Oh worms were world-building, but that's shit hadn't been to the family You know guys that car the dude of that Derek he went to the Phantom Zone He's like, oh my god A weird LSD trip that he took but he actually just went to the Phantom Zone. Yeah, it's over by the way you can't create a sort of Like a categorization that does include Lois, but does include cars Like you like maybe maybe it only affects non-olcatic material Nope, that's what now too because they're already sucked up the people because the ship lifts people up to off the ground So he's just wrong. It clearly affects desperate. Yeah. This is shockingly. This is kind of pathetic He's own such as Zod his crew his ships and Superman and apparently it pulls Why The Phantom Zone to go through like to get to earth was it did he go through a portal or no I think he just got did he also maybe because the ship just kind of like poofs away. Is that the Phantom Zone? But I would still argue though at that point that um That means you just have to be in proximity, right? Because he's in like a shell if you will being the ship so that means you have Why would Superman even be able to escape it if that's how it works? Yeah, do you see how fast those people sucked in I guess cuz you can fly Is that how it works? You can move in the other direction so you don't die. Yeah Also, it sounds like Lois would have been better off if you didn't try and pick her up It seems like she's more in danger He grabs her it gets sucked in standing still here shit's getting lifted up, but he ain't yeah because this film is not ready yet By the black zeros gravity beam fucking hell of that includes Lois or the Legit style without a wormhole. There's cars flying through the air. There's buildings flying through the air I want to make sure what are you talking about me sure catch the bits of rubble and junk that were hit by the black zeros? Gravity beam none of that They were hit by the blood so that's his ex. I'm sorry So if you were affected by the gravity beam now you're a legitimate target for the black hole So that's everything except Lois because apparently she wasn't hit by I wouldn't she have been in proximity of it When does the explosion? I would it how would it discriminate here at that point? How yeah, that's how she got knocked out of the ship Fuck or the scout traveled legit style without a wormhole while its crew was in hypersleep That's not an explanation. What a pathetic attempt at alleviating this issue And we've ignored the fact by the way He's invented this out of thin air the idea that this black hole discriminates in the first place that is not in the fucking film Yeah, Lois is the only thing that's not affected. Everything else starts getting sucked in Rubble cars people everything gets sucked in categorize it as a Phantom zone black hole. They just call it. It's you collapse a singularity technology together Blow it up and it creates a black hole Okay, there's nothing any more special about this black hole. It's just a fucking black hole No, it's super different on his ship. There is no reason for oh, you know, this is a perfect time I'm gonna bring in all of the criticisms. This is possibly where the movie is most broken and I know that's a big claim So yeah, I can see why I guess I'll leave it to you to the cast Why does odd demand Lois comes onto a ship? Do you know if I was going to Make an assumption It would be that It's a bargaining tool to control Superman in case things go south I think that's the best argument you couldn't make Yeah, I was gonna say leverage as a point of leverage like either for Superman or the government so Zod's plan is to bring Superman on board and trick him by permanently, right? Not temporarily permanently weakening him by keeping him on a Kryptonian Atmospheric that's the plan I guess he has Lois. There is a backup. That's the best argument you could possibly create But that's already a thing like I'd be like there's many flaws here, but it's like he decided to do that That's that's one. It's like, okay Second that Superman handed her the key the USB thing for spaceships. Why? Did why would he have assumed remember it's a surprise to him that he loses his strength when he goes on there He's like what the fuck's happening to me But why would he give her the key instead of keeping it for himself if he planned to have it be useful if you know Yeah, because he knows that she's just a weak earthling. Yeah, like he's gonna have a way about a chance of actually activating it He knows what it is. She doesn't even know he hands it to her. She's like, I don't forget. This is like a weird thing. Okay Thirdly, she's locked in a cell that has a terminal in it. That was so fucking dumb Why would you even have those in there? Whatever fourth that Like putting him in isn't considered like a rogue USB thing It's like it's not locked off. It's not stopped He just infects the whole ship and takes full control. It's like wow That's a real lucky that works that way and the fact that she wasn't killed when they had Superman under full control Like whatever he then turns the atmospherics back to crypto to earth like it's got to do with a sudden It's just crypt. It's earth atmospherics. It's like, okay and so that frees Clark and he gets her off the ship and back to earth And then he gets Clark out and then Clark is able to complete the story if you will All of those things are what connect the first half of the film to the second half Like none of the second half is possible without all this crazy nonsense happening so You're really interesting to see if he accounts for all of them or if he's just gonna go with Zod brought her on as leverage Like please get to all of them The reason Lois is even there to be invited aboard Zod ship is because as they showed minutes before in the film The military picked her up after she was exposed on national television for knowing Superman's true identity Not giving it up. Yeah, the world should hate her. Oh, yeah, that's another fucking thing So that means that Zod's information is this woman knows the identity of Cal-L I guess to him so it's watching national TV as well. Um, I'm I guess I don't think I'm convinced that Zod would find that that important I don't know. I guess you we have to go with Zod was like, wow, they must have some kind of personal connection I'll bring her on board to as leverage. That's that's When he's gonna kill everybody anyway, I don't really I'm not really convinced that Zod would give a five He's like, I'm gonna quit Superman and tie him up. What do we need this woman for? Yeah, what's the point if he if Superman doesn't agree it you'd assume he'd agree to that? Like being treated that way. It's not even you should have treated him like that. Well, it's None of it makes sense so But yeah, like I said though him her brain brought on is the lowest on the list of my issues with all of that Like the rest of its way fucking worse as a result of it, but it's still bad. So They don't know exactly what she knows about the aliens or how useful she could be so they're keeping her close by on any alien related matters The same can be said for general Zod. He obviously saw the same broadcast and he wants love for mind-reading Leverage in case they need to use her against super. There you go. There you go Yeah, that's the best you could do Spoken of in the movie or alluded to you could sort of imply it maybe and she is the linchpin For the plot to function in any way shape or form her being which by the way, she has that going for in a lot of Zach's I just think she's just she's super important She does lots of things and when she drowned herself getting the spear. That was funny She she first tosses the spear into the water then she realized oh, I need to get the spirit She almost drowns herself. I'll tell you what that was the water was like. Hey, fuck you were throwing spears at me I'm gonna drown you Yeah, I'd be a stab me. Yeah Man Or the codex is and she knows Superman so there she might know where the codex is So let's trap her in a room with a terminal it's control the ship if she has a Fucking tire up. Yeah, I'm gonna read your mind I love that humans are better at capturing people in the loads of alien civilizations Like just make it so they can't move. That's a really good fucking addition. Yeah, I'd cut them up with rope Yep, come on. I didn't want to tell them anything about you, but they did something to me They looked inside my mind Superman should not react that way when God threatens his mother. He destroys a bunch of property unnecessarily. Oh My god. All right, so like it's not the the fact that it's property. It's that there are people around Yeah, like I don't I care as much about that giant Tower thing but the petrol station. Holy Train He is bringing people he's bringing Zod and he's bringing Zod into a populated area, right? Exactly where there's gonna be collateral damage. There's gonna be tons of destruction There's two people that shit two people with his powers are duking it out a lot of damage is gonna happen I'd like the military is gonna get involved like there could be collateral damage with just their involvement It's such a terrible idea. I'm okay with Superman being very angry when his mum is threatened. I'm fine with that Yeah, that's normal. That's some minuscule amount of character. It's nice to see it. Yeah That does not follow however with I'm gonna take you to a populated area For our little our little pow wow. Oh, of course. I'm just because there's two arguments here I like the first I wouldn't make myself a second. Yeah, he Superman is incredibly reckless throughout this whole movie. It's fucking annoying. Really? Yeah, we'll give it to you That wasn't a good thing, but that's kind of the point of the scene That's the point that was literally the cure for any problem ever. Well, that's the point of the scene You see he's like that as if that means anything they intended for it to be shit awesome Yeah, so so we both agree it shit great It is out of fucking character for him to drive Zod into a populated area instead of every other option He has which by the way judging from like some of the screenshots looks like if he'd gone in any other direction It would have been okay. Well, it's Kansas If you can't if you can't find an unpopulated area in Kansas, I don't know what to say That's the point Mauler. He's supposed to be acting out of character here. They threatened his mom Yeah, so I would go as far as saying that so it's out of character to react that way to threatening his mom Well, it seems deliberate with how fucking stupid he is. Oh, no, no, I'm saying that He's acting irrationally because they threatened his mom. That's why he's acting out of character. That's the point That's the point. So if you threaten his mom, he's okay with insane amounts of other dead people Yes, never dresses. I guess that's that's the logic. That's the point That's what they have seen is that's the point of the scene like oh Is the exploration of Superman's humanity and in this Him driving that guy through the silos into the trains and the buildings and the gas stations That's an exploration of his character Get to see what happens when he gives way to that part of himself and loses composure No, he does this anyway. This isn't just yeah, this is always this is about the whole movie This is how Superman operates. He just fucking ruins everything. It doesn't give a fuck But again, you'll always have in the back of your mind this little thing of like how far can you push him? Like if he sees Lois get hurt or his mother get killed or something like you just made a really mad Superman that we use music So inappropriate, but okay Stuff if he wants to be my thoughts after seeing it was he's only human and then I went He's not he's not this this is fascinating. You can't play it both ways. Ah It's like if um, you know when he when Tony watches his parents time And then he flies out of the thing goes to the nearest orphanage and just lazes a bunch of children in half And so how the fuck did he do that? It's like well, he was angry. Yeah, he found out my parents died Yeah, okay. Oh, okay. Carry reckless. Can people not act emotional? It's like I feel like we're talking about two different things Does it mean your car you can just do whatever you want he grabs bucky and he flies him to the nearest city to have a little battle in your city, so it's always superman's goal They're in the middle of like this They're in this bunker in the middle of fucking nowhere and Iron Man and says like no We got to have a city that to do this You look at your office way a bunch of civilians into the building We need some town middle of the day everybody's at work specifically So I'm probably in the petrol station, but they're not anymore. No now. They're vaporized Yeah Yeah, but that's the thing that's cool about him, I think in some ways no Trailties of a human sort of emotionally, but you don't want to get that No, we're not upset that he's upset about his mom being threatened. This is all Like it's the orphan thing. It's just Iron Man was angry. That's why he killed the orphans That's not you're not addressing the problem whatsoever, but go ahead He's he's a big guy. He's yeah, this isn't Superman doing this in his official superhero capacity It's Clark Kent protecting his mom. He's not protecting his mom by blowing up an eye hop Also, he literally abandons his mom with two other Yeah, he forgets about those. Oh, this is so painful. Oh my god. This is bad. This video is shit Abandons his mom with the two other super power Powerful aliens. You think you can threaten my mother. Yeah, well, Karl and Steven are fucking her up right now Hey, let me Matter-steal videos is funny I recommend all the DC coverage because they just fucking meme on it But a when Mike is telling this scene back to talk about it He's like who's so shocking see super bad. Just just punching and punching he called Zod a motherfucker Like oh my god, I wish that that's what actually happened. It's funny. He connected it to when spark does it on What the fuck school into doctors when he just punches and punches, so I think it's whatever Punching cool. This scene is an illustration of one of the challenges Superman has to face as part of being godly powerful He has to restrain himself at all times. He has to resist. Oh, yeah, we're strange That's what I think about when someone says tell me about Superman for Man of Steel. I'm like, he's very restrained No, seriously, he's resisting the urge to execute civilians because that's Superman He's like, oh, I wish I could throw Zod into the more populated areas. I guess I'll go for the less I wish I wish we could fight in Metropolis someday. I love that so much Well, where is it on a farm? Metropolis a farm where you learn to do battle Perhaps go there sometime and punch each other getting angry like other superheroes that man gets mad at you You get punched in the face Superman gets mad at you. You get punch hundreds of thousands of people die who are not related I can't think of any reason why cuz she's that she tells them about the stupid USB thing while they're in flight, right? Yeah, she's there because the plot needs her to be there she's on the plane because Jarelle's hologram gave her the plan No, the plan is to crash the fucking thing into the thing. That's it. We saw the plan There's no reason for her to be there the plan was set up and executed That's like if Jarelle told me like you with a grenade you have to pull the pin and throw It's like all right. I need to be in the fight I couldn't possibly explain this to like I said, it's the only thing that happens that relates to her at all Is you got to push it in all the way Okay They want the best chance for this mission to succeed So it makes sense that the person with the plan and the most knowledge of the alien technology should be there She doesn't this knowledge of anything. That's it. Yeah, the knowledge amounts to put the thing in all the way That's what I know in case something goes wrong and guess what something does go wrong So it's a good thing. She was there and she says no, I agree. It's super good thing that she was there There's something wrong. It's not supposed to do this. See, she doesn't even know what the fuck the problem is Yeah, it's just not supposed to do that which they would have figured out because it wasn't working. Yeah, yeah I still feel bad that that guy was killed and no one cared. He's the he's the one who actually detonates it He's the one who saved the day. Yeah, she got She got an uber plot armor. He just got vaporized Dude he but according to this video, he got placed in the fucking phantom zone What did you want them to do this tech support style over the radio? Okay. Yeah, they could what could she have done So let's play the simulation, right? They go wait is lois back at camp. It's like call it Lois the key thing. It's not it's not doing anything. She goes. Did it go in all the way? No Oh Dude, the only reason she figures is out the only reason she figures is that it out is because it's it doesn't look right No, he like it doesn't quite line up in a certain way. He's the one who he turns it and then I was a him Oh, that's him. Yeah, that's why I'm annoyed. He's the one who does all of the things she gets saved at the credit It's like cool. This guy's giving her credit for it Okay, so I put the flag over the usb hole and it went all magnetized like you said it would but nothing's happening Okay, so it wouldn't be playing out like this because there'd be stuff happening. There would be like they'd be Really like really rushing through these things is like like they'd be kind of you know, hurriedly trying to get this done You could still do a conversation like this in a way that's intense I like the idea. She doesn't know sorry operations The general has to be like right next to the soldiers while everything's happening because it's like well He knows the plan. It's like, yeah, you fuck talk to the radio. Why you just miss the radio like this is the admiral Holdo school of guidance where you don't tell anyone the plan you have to be there personally I still want to but you tell everyone else the plan except for the people like you tell all the privates the plan And they're not allowed to tell anyone else, but you don't tell like the captain's and the The commanders and the tens don't want to push by the way. She doesn't know fuck all all she says is push it in all the way That's all she fucking adds to this And she could have just told them that it's meant to go in all the way before they even took off We're pretending like she's the experts. No, she's no fuck all It's supposed to pop up. Are you sure you plugged in the flash drive? Yeah, and it went out magnetized like you said and there's lightning coming out of it But their thing still isn't powering up. Wait, there's lightning Jarell didn't say anything about lightning. Where are you seeing lightning? The lightning is coming out of the usb hole I like the idea that whenever these people are like, oh, what are you suggesting? these like this movie do This this dumping in so they they um Again, like I said, there is a way that you could shoot the scene or and edit the scene around to still be intense And yet he's framing like there's this is the only way that they could do the scene Like I said if they contact her she says it goes in all the way if it doesn't I don't fucking know And that's it. Yeah, that's the extent of my knowledge is that she knows the peg It's it's a one two three four five the penta The hedron the the little the thing goes in the slot that's shaped for the thing That's it Yeah, sort. Yeah, I think I don't know if a pentagon is there are they're all equal sides Oh, you mean like the difference between The name of the ship, uh pentagon it is five Oh, so it's any five sizes Any five sides is a any five sided polygon. Yeah is a pentagon The symbol is on superman's chest and cape a pentagon with a yellow background and yeah, so it's a pentagon It's just it's an asymmetrical pentagon versus well not asymmetrical, but you get what I mean hexagon Guys just made for jokes. It's fine. Okay. So that's six sides pentagon versus Uh pentagram. All right, so a pentagram is a five-point star. Yeah, that's different. I I guess because you have um Because like squares are because like second Square is a Why are you looking up? I'm confused because I want to see if there's a if there's a name if there's two different designations for five Sided geometric shapes where the sides are all equal or if they're not all equal um So this says a square is a plain figure with four equal straight sides and four right angles. Yeah, no shit That's what a square is welcome to yeah where you are learning about. Yeah, I want to make sure so a A square it's a quadril a regular quadrilateral That's fine. It's fine. I guess I don't know. I was just I was just it's all good. It's fine. It's all good. Look at shapes. I'm just curious about what shapes are called Yeah, but we're talking about the shape of Superman's logo, right? The Yeah, I was of the key Yeah, I wanted to know if a a pentagram was if they're equal or if it's just five sides Wait, it had to go on Graham is like the pentagon. Yeah. Oh pentagon If it's yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Well, no actually pentagram is any five-sided, you know Okay, right. Yeah. Yeah. So pentagram isn't necessarily upside down. That's why they call the upside down pentagram. All right. Yeah, all right This this was worthwhile. What about the penthouse? It sounds like it should be working. Are you sure it's not powering up? I don't know What does it look like when it's powering up? Yeah, you need to know when to end a joke I was about to say this joke is elaborating on why she she doesn't know things Honestly, I'm waiting for what this ends with and what I'm curious if if he's actually just memeing or if he's actually making a point of like This would be you can't do it this way. This would be bad I think it will end with her with the ship blowing up I want to say even the nostalgia quick No, oh, he just he just yeah, there you go. That's how he ends it to the point the point you want to make I should have come on the plane Yeah, the the whole point of the joke is that it established that she doesn't fucking know anything He knows as much as she does at this point There is no reason for her to be there the extent of her knowledge is the pentagram goes on the pentahole Like if if um if jor-el had told me to tell all of you, right? He's like this pill goes in this box and that goes in a chest and that chest goes in this enormous bag That goes inside the back of a car. Okay, and I go, okay I tell all you guys that and you guys are like you should come on the mission And I'm like why it's like because you have special knowledge. I'm like I've that's all I know That's it. Yeah, I ain't getting on that fucking plane. No, I mean that's all I know as though she has this special insight It's like no, she she really doesn't she really doesn't she knows very simple shit Doesn't terraform Mars instead of earth. There's no answer to this. This is gonna be in the movie He's gonna have to pull from their party. Yeah The best he's probably gonna be able to do is say something like earth has a magnetism to its Atmastisms blah blah blah Especially just the earth's special argument for reasons That way he doesn't have to kill all of humanity. Oh, by the way bonus criticism Why didn't he try any of the other places all over the fucking cosmos that he would have? Yeah, why come to earth? The idea that earth is the only one that this could be done with is fucking crazy Why bother does so it seemed like the What do you mean by but because of all that because of all the trouble that it would cause going to earth He literally loses all of krypton all the kryptonian embryos are dead because like Why bother you know that superman is on earth and he might not be happy About what you're gonna do to his planet These humans have nukes by the way too Like I don't think that without superman that we would have had no chance at disrupting zod's plans Yeah Like because we don't see what like the they try missiles, but they get fucked up by the magnetism But we don't know what happened like if it was a nuke That machine gets fucked, right It would have to I can't fathom that that's I mean the fact that at least the radiation would fuck everything up So that the kryptonians would be in trouble. Yeah, I doubt this is the thing like zod if you don't stop We are going to fucking detonate a nuke on your world engine and your ship. You won't survive the radiation We're really good at blowing things up What a terrible opening argument. What else you got? Plomatic time you zod has no respect for the human race and even certain kryptonian bloodlines You don't have to have respect for the human race neither just like superman in a way Well, like I don't respect cockroaches, but I don't fucking want them in my house There's also no one in mars that's capable of stopping you but there's someone on earth that is What a terrible counter-argument like He doesn't like humans. So he goes out of his way to kill all of them on another planet This is this is the fundamental about zod that just doesn't work It's like kryptonians are way too close to humans to argue to me that blowing up earth isn't in any way worth it It's like look at all of our stuff. Look at all the machines. We already have of industry Look at all these buildings and of this huge culture that you could get in All of these countries in a society full of people who are working together We have a currency like do you not want to know how we did that like you don't have this Exactly. That's what I mean. They they they're like, oh zod thinks he's so much above them But he doesn't that have fuck all compared to it. Yeah, he has like advanced technology There's hardly any of them Yeah, none of his like supposed supremacy is even Like there's no explanation for it. He's just evil person. He's just that's what I mean soldier, man At the same time as he's like horribly characterized in terms of he just believes himself to be superior to everything It doesn't translate out if I think I'm superior to like a lava flow coming at me. I still get out of its way Respect for the human race and even certain kryptonian bloodlines help me save our race We'll start anew On mars because to do it on earth would be to invite war It would be more difficult and like people would already be there No, but he's not even seven. Why does he not the degenerative bloodlines that led us to this state Zod and the gang are already on the planet, but that's not humans humans didn't lead you to that state Humans did the opposite. They have a flourishing society. We can help you zod God damn it. You're more on chill on earth. We have beer or two. Yeah Chill Planet earth. He's just with the genesis chamber and world engine. They can easily take over earth with no They can't they can't easily do it. They get their fucking ass kicked by one guy In a plane He doesn't even have to try I thought you were talking about super bad, but no, you're right fucking cubans fuck up the world engine as well Yeah God you're so one. Yeah, one of them is the plane that hits it and makes the black hole And the other one is superman who punches it Like lips should be no reason to leave in zod's mind You know superman's there. That's why you're showing up. That's it. He didn't even try the defense you came up with He doesn't even need to go to earth. It's not that he doesn't need to leave the the earth It just could use any other fucking planet in the fucking anything If I hated all other people and species Yeah, I would have gone to just somewhere else. I wouldn't have gone to another planet if I just hate other people You can go wherever you want Also, by the way, I didn't even think of this one Is this not true? I just superman go to the indian ocean instead of saving. Yeah, he should have done that Yeah, like the wormhole and metropolis. I think we I'm pretty sure we did talk about this. Well, so just to clarify right like The metropolis one is going to get a singularity detonated Compared to the Indian ocean which superman will punch Like I feel like if we're gonna have him punch one of them and the other one will be a black hole Let's let's put the black hole not in metropolis. That's yeah, that seems like a good idea And it shows how just like Like just crazy evil the kryptonians are that they chose metropolis as just the centerpiece for where they're gonna do this They're like, yeah, we're just evil Is all those buildings they're like built for people our size and they house things we could use them He's like, no Like you would put him you'd put him far away from civilization. So it takes the humans longer to reach you Or even find out you could have put them in the ocean and just started them up and everyone would have been going What the fuck is happening to the world? Yeah, yeah, at least at least here Superman gives a semblance of a fuck about reducing collateral damage Ambludes Indian ocean instead of saving metropolis Because he's the only one who can get there fast enough. No look at him go No, I No, wow, we actually provided better defenses for this terrible criticism that I haven't heard anyone make then this guy can First of all you can use a nuke in the indian ocean for starters because it's nobody fucking around First of all superman can reach them both Um, if you get stopped by a stupid CGI snake, there's no reason for that thing to even exist Yeah, he does reach them both in the film My point is that he could have done the metropolis one and then gone straight to the indian ocean one like Also, you're telling me like oh, they couldn't get there fast enough. It's like what about just any other military What yeah, there's not only there's not only the american military Yeah, in the indian ocean You remember how long yeah superman to even destroy the the indian ocean one. It took a while. Yeah I don't believe that they couldn't have gotten there. Um, like I said, he could destroy both of them That machine over the indian ocean the gravity field will continue to expand The military can handle it. No stop the one in metropolis Yeah, we shouldn't even be talking about this superman. You can punch them to death. Yeah, the other ones doesn't matter It doesn't matter about the second one. Yeah, you need two of them. That's actually a really good point. Yeah Yeah, I doubt I doubt the world engine functions if you've broken it That seems to be categorical my definition. Yeah, it uh Fuck the gravity thing Beam whatever the fuck it is shoots through the core and goes back and forth I don't remember correctly. So one is gone. It's over. It's like gg. You need a hope sod So, yeah, why did they should have both gone to the same one just to make sure How about crazy idea the you're just standing amongst them when they're making this plan He's like i'm going to go to the indian ocean you guys go to metropolis. It's like how about you do both You yeah, how about let's both go to metropolis together just to make sure And then I don't know we'll take care of the other one if we even need to if it just becomes dormant Then that's technology we can use and then general man. It's like no, we'll detonate the black hole. Like no, no, no Like I'm actually against the black hole idea Guys a black hole on the surface of our planet is like the worst thing possible He's like he pulls down like a little whiteboard. He's like black Hole He draws like a big sad face These things these things it will suck in the planet See this It's like when you sleep forever you go to the phantom zone of the black hole. He's like no no die die Dead did put little x marks on their eyes So what we have to do is we have to find people who haven't gone to the phantom zone, so they're unaffected by the black hole What's with the stupid robot So as you're watching the world engine and you're seeing it unleash its defenses Those defenses are actually the largest scale version of the liquid geo effect. That's not an explanation. I get mad Yeah, okay, I don't care That we have in the movie We decided that actually zack decided that that would be a really good defense tool not just a display mechanism And uh, it took a long time of looking at the world engine and realizing boobing cool If superman tried to laser it he never does Yeah, he never does Why didn't they use it in the war On krypton they never use it It's a part of the world engine. So Like they found the world engine after the war so Of all the things that they could have used to defend their world engine. Why dock octentacles? I don't I don't know. Well also interestingly Um, if you if you pull up your respective copies of man of steel the the tentacles could have killed superman, but they don't um I would like to find you the timestamp It's it he it grabs him And um, if you remember someone tells him wait if you try and take down one of these ships, aren't you gonna be weak because um It's it's trying to channel like kryptonian atmosphere, which is makes you weak and he's like Yeah, maybe does fucking whatever the point is that it's like it's one of the black smoke Um, and so it grabs him and puts him into the black smoke Oh, is it 149? But yeah, it'll grab him and he's like all droids and then it like puts it all the smog from um, I guess the The terraforming he ends up in it and he like coughs and he almost seems to die until it drops him into the Earth atmospherisms and then he reignites and does his second wind. It's like, oh, shit. So it could have killed him Damn I knew they got it Here we go. There's a visual. It's one five two three four One five two three four. Okay. He's in like krypton Tisms while being grabbed by the snake which can grab him without him being weakened anyway So, yeah, if it just kept him there, he'd be fucked instead. It tosses him into the laser Why because it's a stupid snake I don't even like the cgi snake, but gosh darn it. It could have killed him Imagine it had a um a doomsday spike that put through his arm, you know, do you mean a death knife? A tentacle blade I know the death knife. That's what sam ramy called it I cut off your arm so it turned into a spike Makes sense There's some we could put Three large pools. Oh, so that's amazing. If wonder woman hadn't cut off his arm, Superman would have lived possibly Yeah, yeah, that's weird Fucking wonder woman there and zack described all the sort of defensive arm motion It could do and that became a really cool superman robot fight that we could get Oh, yeah, it's really a really cool superman robot fight. How old is the person sam who said that? That sounds like a 10 year old superman super awesome robot arms and grabs them and his lasers and And they make them black hole awesome Into the movie I should not heartlessly destroy all of the kryptonian bait. Yeah Yeah, yeah In the scout ship that carries the genesis chamber Superman destroys the ship because he knows what his father told him that kryptonian society was always doomed to failure Bullshit. He says you're a bridge between the two worlds Shut the fuck up. She has two terrible deaths epic. Also. What the hell? He has trouble killing all the babies. He has trouble killing zod because he's like the last kryptonian, but he's cool with killing all the kryptonian babies Fuck the babies. Why does he keep rolling out the worst defenses of this? I thought he was gonna say well, of course It was a hard choice to make but zod was going to destroy everything To which I was going to counter he could have threatened to destroy the colony or whatever it is And then tell zod he has to back down or he will fucking burn all those those babies Also, if if my dad told me that all of those babies were doomed I wouldn't kill them No, yeah, that's just The fuck is wrong with you like or doomed to see what is it with clock and durell's dad, you know Sorry clock and call l the both of their dads are fucking assholes. Yeah, so I mean like oh, you can't read you have two terrible dads Well, I mean, I think that The kryptonian babies is just You know like a follow-up of what his dad told him all those years ago about maybe you should let the kids on the bus die It was the equivalent Also, this is the quote That his mother dad couldn't come with him because they're failures doomed to failure So they didn't actually explode on krypton because of the Like could born to be soldier born to be scientist thing exploded because they harvested their planet's core for no They just did that. That's that's that's the part that'll get you Exploding planet bit and also if you would have taken all these genetically engineered people I don't know why you couldn't like change them genetically here But assuming you couldn't if you plopped them down On a totally new planet in an environment that there is no possible way you could have programmed them for They would have just like Done whatever and then at that point if they are bad Like they don't even get a chance. They're just They just die they get killed. They don't even have a chance to Do stuff also can they fuck? In which case only the first generation will be the automatons So, I guess you could do things the old-fashioned way. I mean jor-el did Like I don't see why we can't have more people. I mean, he had a he had a child a boy child a boy child. He did boy child Child baby And the genetically controlled babies that would be grown in the genesis chamber are programmed to revive that doom society Congratulations. You just advocated for killing babies Yay Well, no, they wouldn't revive the doom. We said how where are you getting this from? They're they're destined to revive the doom society. You made that shit up. I know what he's I know the argument It makes complete sense. Okay, so They'll grow up and then they will recommend that the current earth government harvest their own core for energy and then explode the earth And and humans will do it Because they've just built that way Because they're just built to self-destruct for whatever reason that that's definitely how it is. Yeah This way you have to be more specific than they're just doomed Pathetic argument and to be honest with you like this I didn't even cash this until I think it was the second time I watched Man of Steel in terms of like, oh my god. He fucking killed all those babies. Damn What about all the babies that would have been just like janitors and trash Collectors and think about like just librarians and stuff. They didn't have anything to do with Krypton blowing up like doctors Yeah, like doctors And besides these are all these people seem to be like perfectly able to you know operate. They're not like crazy I say this knowing that people talk about zod as though That's what happens when you let these babies grow up. But like what's Jor-El one of these people? He was normal Yeah All of them were pretty normal zod was just a crazy one I mean they they they had a civilization that was really really good until the home planet exploded Like just just carry on just don't do that last bit. Yeah, the planet exploding thing really set you back Yeah, no, we have to destroy our planet is like, why would you genetically program to blow up their planet? That seems like a bit of an oversight. I would have patched that one out Also, why did Jor-El give him the codex that's designed to allow you to birth these things if he didn't want him to do anything with the codex Was this all in secret? I think This is part of the whole problem with um It doesn't make any sense like Jor-El clearly wanted him to restart the civilization That's the that's what he advocates for with the council. He's like We're not going to escape krypton, but perhaps others can and it's the codex plus clock plus the little baby pods You can start anew on a new planet. Remember he's like there's so many habitable planets out there We just gotta get it going on one of them And they're like no even though we've done that like a billion times we can't do it If that was the case, why would Jor-El want clock to fucking laser all the babies? That's clearly not what he wanted. I don't know how he read this in the film Grown in the gender are programmed to revive that doomed society. No, we're both ghosts. No, they're doomed because the planet exploded But they don't have a planet to like explode They're like, well, what about earth was like, obviously they're not gonna explode the planet if they know that what they do explodes the planet I remember Jor-El was anti-planet explode And he's one of the genetic failures. So what you're saying doesn't make sense Fucking hell Like I I understand it's hard to defend baddest hill is such a bad film In fact, Superman knew this long before Jor-El even told him about it Teenage Clark can be seen reading Plato's Republic, which is a narrative on the philosophy of justice Plato reasoned that Oh, so we could just fucking skip this anything up from that. I guess Well, it's not even it's not the same situation. Not even close. I'm sorry Have to be made up of a citizenry split into different classes produce also justice doesn't mean you kill babies This is so bad Guardians and philosopher kings all working in their pre-assigned roles for the greater good of the society This is a genesis chamber All kryptonians were conceived in chambers. You've made the argument already I don't know why he's like supporting the idea that they're all genetic failures They'll only lead to planets exploding. It's like you can't prove that you're just throwing in scenes in hopes that will think that it's proven Just this every child was designed to fulfill a predetermined role now such as blowing up planets That was one of the core designs But if you totally change the environment that kids grow up in that they could have never Possibly seen coming then their outcome is going to be totally different Yeah, because now we're going to get to some really interesting stuff with like it's a soldier bread genetic kryptonian They just have a desire to fight. Is that the core? Because of course if they grew up in like an earth type place They might have a desire to join the military or something and what does that tie to exactly? Is it just they just want to fight a war? Is that what it is? Or do they just want to protect that which they have been Encoded to believe is important being home, you know, like a sense of home In which case if that place is in peace times, what do they do? These are all really interesting things by the way in the film is now going to cover anything like it Society is a worker a warrior a leader so The krypton depicted a man of steel Okay, again, it doesn't doesn't help you know it isn't you can't just say that Oh, if you actually do Plato's Republic your planet will explode It's not it's terrible Society Plato created in republic It's the antithesis of the free choice capitalist society Superman stands for and Clark knows it That doesn't mean that doesn't mean you can massacre them Yeah, this doesn't follow you think it does for some Imagine like when he wrote this he was like, I'm gonna have to argue that He blew up the babies for good reason Oof, it's gonna be a tough one That is not him saying kill the babies That is him saying he made mistakes which they did Also a hundred thousand years. They made it that long without blowing up their own planet. Not bad. That's fucking poggers, man We hope to get that one day Krypton did have its chance, but then so many shows like no leadership or teaching Oh Oh my god I have to punish the babies for things. They had no part in playing. Why would you defend you actually said it? Wow Krypton did have its chance it failed and it would fail again No, it wouldn't how because the situation is entirely different on every level They wouldn't have failed if their planet hadn't exploded because they didn't harvest the stupid core if they hadn't done that They'd be okay. Also. They'd be okay if they moved to one of the habitable planets, which for some reason they don't This is absurd also I stop using it as a justification to fucking laser babies Stop Yeah, morality goes all the window really quickly one of the first shitty fucking movie You have to come up with a solution like okay, we have all these kryptonian infant embryos, right? So like they're gonna grow up, but they were pre-programmed to like be things But that's a huge ambiguous kind of we don't know what that even really means Do they want to be those things? Are they really good at being those things? What if you what if in this society we tell them? Oh, you can actually be whatever you want to be Can they then choose to do something else? Like we don't know like anything really About what the stipulations are of this, you know programming this genetic program There's so little we we know Clark doesn't know fucking shit about it So a solution is kill them all Krypton had like fucking hell And and what if they do become like actual kryptonians, what are they gonna do? Again, I ask you are they gonna be affected? Are they gonna get superpowers? Can I ask why did jor-el attach the kryptonian codex? That's uh to to the call l why why why do you do that? to The goal is to restart krypton save krypton Do you start krypton yet? So like so he's not want him to laser the babies is my point. He's saying that he did Oh, yeah, that's a fuck up. He's just wrong the whole point of totally wrong So I guess yet the plan was superman has kids and then that carries on the kryptonian line And then they survive as a people in that way Gets a little watered down eventually, but you know, it's a you know, it's still there Again Fucking lights to come out of a superhero ever Not to mention the fact that with the world engine destroyed and the terraforming incomplete The revival of the kryptonian race on earth would mean the birth of an army of kryptonians edzads command That's never something he fucking argues. No, no, you made that up. Yeah, that's not even true Yeah, then why would they listen to zod? You could listen to this guy. Also zod's dead. Yeah, I was about to say the jor-el listened to zod. No No Jor-el was zod went against his ruling people. Exactly So this was he genetically designed to rebel people invent ship for this movie that not only is that invalid It never happened. Nobody ever fucking said anything about that You're lying stop it Like all was superman's power engineer for the specific purpose of wiping out lesser beings in the interest of grip That's not what they're genetic made that up. Why would you genetically have people? Why would those bloodlines exist in the first place if they were genetically modified to get rid of those bloodlines? Just fucking made this is just a weird zod thing that he says at the beginning Yeah, because jor-el that not even the council and the other kryptonians agree with And jor-el sends him to humans with like a sense of hope. He's like the humans. Yeah, it'll be all right there It's like he fucking hates humans He wants him to be a bridge between humans and kryptonians These are all like a lottery You're birthing babies that could be fucking anything. We have no idea what happens if they grow up in a human society For all we know they'd be like fuck zod. He's insane Yeah, it's crazy. I want to live here. Like there's people here and I could talk with them and I can go to baseball games And I can look at porn and stuff and it's great And yeah, this guy wants to destroy all of it for some reason. Let's kill him Let's tear his flesh off. It's like oh god It happened Every action I take no matter how violent No, I'm cool. It's terrible. This writing is pain in my face. This is the speech of I am incredibly bad You have to kill me no matter how evil I am. I have a reason Even if you can't understand it just trust me Sources Very good of my people. I don't think they're interested in sharing this world I think this would be considered justifiable homicide in whatever reason they does not refer to the fucking babies, dude Zod and his team Like we already know that there are kryptonians that are chill with living on earth that are genetically engineered because Jor-El would easily be one of them Yeah, that's all we need to be a okay with that Zod is clearly an anomaly makes you wonder why he didn't go but whatever He is a failure you see Self-defense if the genesis chamber contained actual fetuses instead of empty eggs waiting for a codex to imprint dna and Whatever it's it's the only hope kryptonians have of ever being able to be born ever again And he erased it Fucking the choice from superman is still there. It doesn't matter whether or not their fetuses begin the gestation process Which it doesn't superman has all the dna in his cells. So those egg sacks are empty. Yep. He could he could bear What do you think he could do? Imagine didn't he could he could bring back a whole race that's extinct of yeah And think that's what Zod was there to do think of what they could do for the human race by the way Like yeah, absolutely strong people And if they couldn't you know mingle with humans then Like like breed with humans then there would be a limited number of them and once they die they die and that's it unless they could breed too Unless they can which I assume they can Yeah They implied to some kind of like is there a difficulty or is it illegal? I don't know. I guess no one ever does it like good luck getting a galactic civilization to not have sex Well Don master his power so easily while it's dark side because he's a soldier He's a soldier. Yeah, people people have been saying that it's because he's a soldier Because if you train someone to be a soldier if they get the power to fly they're just fucking experts at it Um, it also just goes in all in the face of him saying we can't have people live here as kryptonians They'll have years of suffering. It's like no no a couple minutes for you buddy. Yeah a little kid could handle it Master kids does it actually take superman years to master his powers? He gets control of his x-ray vision at about 30 seconds with the help of his mom And his super strength and invulnerability are kind of baked in so it doesn't really need to try with those His heat vision just can't have to learn to control that things get intense And he learns to fly after jumping real high a few times and just believing in himself I guess it eventually took years to master all the power No, so wait that takes way longer than zod zod is instantly like an expert like instantly It takes him a moment crashes into a mountain to fly at like age 30 Yeah, you understand it's a long time It's a like how he just says like oh the heat vision just kind of happens in intense things but it's You can't assume that he runs super quickly when he wants to get his dad out of a tornado Well, it's whatever's convenient, right? Yeah Yeah, the the flight one is the surprising one to me, but also we're ignoring his adjustment happens so fucking quickly As far as we see and also if he's actually arguing to us right now that clock managed to go through this pretty easily Actually, that goes against what zod says in the movie So pick one because you go losing the way either way You've got a big issue in the movie But it was really just individual two minute sessions spread out over the course of his life Zod had the advantage of being genetically modified and military trained to master his That doesn't mean anything about learning how to fly. You dip shit. Jesus Christ It also explains why he loses to the scientist jurell in a fight. It's like wait what? Supposedly you're good at tactics and shooting guns. He's genetically modified to fucking win this fight and he loses it Senses Play the line do it Master my senses and also the advantage of So if you just gain a new series of senses, that doesn't mean you can just Instantly be expert level at them. What do you mean, right? He's a soldier He gives yeah, I give anyone laser vision if you give anyone flight a super strength They can just you know, yeah, it's just like they've had in their whole lives Watching Superman do it all it's not I You're like, but what are you doing? Like how do you fly faster? I don't get it You you go is it a mental thing? Yeah, you like like do you have to you know like pooping you do that Yeah, do you have to twist your toes a certain way or just strain your I don't know Think about flying real hot remember that he said in the video you have to believe in yourself A soldier believes in himself That's why yeah, it all makes sense really Superman never saves anyone Oh, I'm not he saves a couple people. Yeah. I'm always happy to concede and that dude I'm happy to concede. He saves earth. I don't even mind conceding that my problem is that he does it in Incredibly harmless and incompetent way. Yeah No sense of remorse. I don't know what version of the film you saw But in the one I saw he saved a bunch of guys on an exploding oil platform A bus full of children a jet pilot an army guy falling out of a helicopter No Don't cite these people they die straight away. He also didn't say he saves a dozen people Never mind the hundreds of thousands in the troplas. Just don't fucking talk about them He saved the second jet guy didn't save the first jet. I pour that out the fucking second jet guy gets shot down five minutes later Anyway, yeah, what was superman doing this whole time? And let's let's know list all the people who died thanks to Superman's incompetence. No, we can't An army guy in a one-sided knife fight lowest getting attacked by a robot lowest falling to the earth and a broken escape Yeah, lowest gets saved constantly Yeah And a bunch of dumb people who don't get out of the way of zod's heat vision and also the entire planet You're a fucking thick idiot Like I said, man Why doesn't superman try to take his battles away? How is he gonna do this? How is he gonna look? It's harder, right? They go into space one thing. I'll say space and they come back down to metropolis One thing I was there. I like the format of this video. It's very fun because of how bad it's done But also the way that it's presented. It's like we get our breather here to be like Let's talk about this criticism. Unless what is he gonna do to say about it? I was like, oh god. Here we go Oh Got thing to take his battles away from highly populated areas He is putting people in danger for no reason In a smallville fight, you can actually see him trying several times to fly his enemies up and away from the fuck off Just a minute try That's not what he was trying to do. Why are they here in smallville in the first place? Yeah He's led them here. Did they get here? If he wants to leave, why doesn't he fuck off? And run away. It would have been better to fight him at Martha's house Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 100% I mean, hey, don't even make the argument that he's trying to get us all to leave from bother He leaves two of the other soldiers with it Martha's house already has a truck in it. So I think it's too late for us Fuck me I love the idea that he makes efforts to do so. Do you remember when, uh, Zod throws the tanker at him? And he dodges it instead of stopping it and it blows up a building Sure, that one was in that building I can see him being like, no, he tried. He just he couldn't, okay Remember when Superman throws the big one into a fucking train yard? And it explodes Doesn't Superman throw, uh, doomsday at BVS? It like, he throws him at this like series of tankers and they all blow up and this it fills the screen with flames Yeah God It doesn't even do shit because doomsday that just powers him up And Superman fucking knows that already. This is this is after they've already attempted to nuke doomsday And it hasn't killed him. So why the fuck does Our explosion is gonna do anything And they pull him right back down the one time he does succeed in flying one of them upward. He has a Randomly just anywhere randomly in the chances are they'll land Oh my goodness This is Kansas. Just chuck him anywhere. They'll find him in the middle of a field I just like this someone goes. He's so mad up above. He's like, oh, it's like space Try space. This is like a lot of space Yeah, just carry him up into space Oh my fucking idiot I've been trying several times to fly his enemies up and away from the town and then they pull him right back I need to I need to pause here. Wait. Hold on a couple more seconds. Okay. Jaime does succeed in flying Yeah, this scene like I'm pretty sure I mentioned in the recording But how retarded are these soldiers to be standing on two sides of the same street firing at each other's position? Yeah I just want to highlight by the way if superman gets they weren't ready to be soldiers. That's the problem If superman gets this guy into space, he's fucked Because he can't fly. He's just dead. Yeah, you just chuck him and he's gone Go in front of us Like doomsday Yep, like with this frame here with this frame here is like, oh, he's finally going to be like sending him up into space Right, and then you play it a split second where he's going to put the guy the closest open He chooses to hit him at the train. It's almost like like a calculated maneuver to say fuck union pacific Twin perfect, right? I'm gonna I'm going to assume that you're a small lad. You've got a good old assume that you got a cranium That's fully functional side where he's gonna put the guy. So you see all that great over there. Can you see? Yeah, well first of all above right lots of stuff up there Great, there's a little place called space as well. Fantastic. We've been over that then everywhere on the horizon That isn't something that explodes near civilians. How about that? Look at all that big ass field right there Look at all that green Open area is pretty far away and there's still this other chick fighting the military behind him Yeah, that does not so it doesn't take any extra time to punch him in a different direction Or super no, he only had a split second. All right supersonic fly him out into space. It's not going to be that long Yeah, and then you only have to do that once per kryptonian. He's gone forever. What you do there's over the fight is over quick And can go yeah, he could just fly up really high How do the kryptonians even survive his punches? I don't I don't know how well the few people give is their soldiers, which doesn't make any fucking sense Oh That doesn't I know if you shoot a soldier, they're fine Better die Dude, I don't get why they have super speed and super strength. I don't get why they have Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't understand Why they have powers if superman's gonna punch this guy into like a bunch of trains to cause an explosion Why not just I don't know rip his arm off? Why not try that? He's too strong. Yeah, he's a soldier. I'm actually I am now actually arguing Why is your laser eyes? Why doesn't he just tear him apart? You're throwing him into a fucking train to try to kill like kill him with an explosion, right? Something superman knows at this point is that if you fuck with their masks and all he did to do that Desolved was punch it a couple times then they are basically immobilized But none of these guys get mask damage from all the shit that happens to them She does briefly at the end of this fight. I think nearly Yeah, and then before superman can just kill her. He gets that stupid thing thrown at him And then the other pilots he saved get blown up. So good job superman Zod's going to get everyone in this scene Not just superman and he has to stick around to make sure they don't hurt anybody in the case of the metropolis Zod has two goals get revenge on cal by beating him up Get get revenge on beating him up Cal by beating him up on It's like that's like an actual 10 year old genuinely speaking to me I'm actually going to make like what I think is the This is this is contingent on Zod being this character Right like this stupid thing that people call him that He you know like he like wants to die in this scene And I think that that's actually possibly what's the tax night I was going for because um I was thinking about the whole thing left to live for yeah Like, you know, he could have lasered those people He was just waiting for Clark to break his neck He even says like stop and then he goes never He's waiting for him to kill Which is fine like like we we've talked extensively about how poorly characterized Zod is the idea that he's doing this to get revenge on Okay, as far as I can tell he's telling him a bonus. Yeah, like he's like I'm gonna kill everyone You love he's saying that because he's like just kill me at this point I guess because I got nothing. Yeah, which is stupid by the way soldiers They can they can do other things they have like families and lives and hobbies and stuff Like 99.99 9% of a soldier's life is not Sitting around. Yeah. Yeah, not having anything to do But Zod is such a cartoon that he's just like I'm going to kill everyone you love because you stole my soul I can't believe that the line was you've taken my soul for me Yeah, and and then Clark is like I have to stop you monster Yeah, and let's see what his justification is for why he didn't leave the fight out of this fucking place And get revenge on Zod might be focused on Superman during the fight But his ultimate goal is to take from his dad that it's not revenge Because superman's dead. He's not gonna know He could kill superman and just like live there or something That doesn't make any sense He's arguing that this they're in this area because Zod wants to get revenge on Clark and start killing humans Because he doesn't really do much of that in the fight. Honestly. Yeah, he's yeah He's really he's just punches really gonna do that Why wouldn't the fight be more that Zod is trying to kill as many people as possible? Yeah, Superman has to get them out of the way flying around That's clearly not Zod's goal here. It's clearly not his goal. He wants to punch Clark and then suicide by cop essentially Yeah These humans you adopt I will take them all from you Except he doesn't really do that No, I think he's just goading superman here And that means superman should probably stay close by to protect the people of No Oh my god, you're a fucking dipshit Dude, that is insane. Could you imagine like saying we need to keep the the enemy combatants in this city with the civilians So that we can protect the civilians like what? How about you move? Are you told me that superman is basically Stalin? Yeah, keep the civilians in the city. I don't know God I have to take the battle away from the city. Zod is just gonna bring it back. That's not it. Oh my god There's no point in trying it because Zod will come back The whole criticism is why doesn't he try try There's no the attempt isn't made What is wrong with you? Why would you make these defenses? I think my favorite part about this fight is that superman leads the fight to places in the city that were totally safe Where people could assume that they were okay only to have these two dickheads crashing into the buildings they hide again Yeah, why don't you stay at ground zero there where there's nobody left alive? Yeah, go for the graveyard The graveyard is safe Lois is at ground zero, okay? They can't have the fight at ground zero. Lois is there. What do you mean? Sure, she has white towel with her. She'll be fine I just love the fact that This logic leads us to superheroes shouldn't even bother to save people because the villains are going to try to kill them anyways Amazing As he does Man takes the fight into the sky only to have it brought right back down into the city by Zod The final sequence also, I guess it's just give up I guess yeah, no that he's literally said zod will want to kill the people so trying to get him out there will only bring him back That's the argument. Good job Into the city by zod so then the final fight him outside of the city as much as possible then Yeah, the goal should be and if zod comes back away from the city Like but zod wants to get into the city like precisely why i'm trying to get him out of the city Very simple of the film is the most criticized with people blaming superman for allowing metropolis to be destroyed Yes, well, yeah, this is tying into the thing we were just talking about huge. Yeah, it's a huge part of it is absolutely 100 percent gonna be on superman For not just getting him out of the fucking city and even for purposefully killing thousands of people kind of Through his incredible negligence. Absolutely. Yeah, like this level of negligence is Is intense the obvious negligence is when he destroys zod ship that crashes through like a good six or seven Skyscrapers when he didn't even try to say zod land it peacefully and we could talk I mean, I mean you could just go through the list. So right at the beginning of the battle He does that so that's a good probably a few thousand people dead just by superman's hand alone All of the shock waves from these crazy lights Like that's a lot of death that's probably on superman's hands not stopping that tanker that blows up I'm sure there are a few people hiding in that uh parking area that got Incinerated and then all the times that superman punches zod into these buildings Yeah, you could have punched them into like the air or just anywhere else Remember superman who um, so zod managed to in all of space. I guess just find Space is quite empty. It's pretty lucky that he'd land on a uh on a satellite But then he brings that satellite down on superman. It's like so the debris is superman's fault, but superman I'm pretty sure superman like pins zod down while he flies him back into earth. You could have flown him elsewhere Yeah, they leave the planet and they miraculously he lands on a um having him in a satellite is a godsend It's like, oh my god, we're in space. Okay now. I can just move you away and away and away Like this is we just fight here in space Take him to the moon Yeah, just keep going Yeah, you just fly back whenever you want. It's fine. Space doesn't mean anything to you They come right back down so close to lois that she can get there in about 30 seconds. Yeah Okay toss zod into the sun Like you surely you must have been trying to land back in metropolis After you were in space Yeah people Stupid buzzfeed infographic estimating that's that's not right. That sounds about right. Yeah, that sounds pretty fucking accurate. Absolutely Why did he describe this as stupid? Why? I'm sorry. I don't say this Uh every day. I actually have never said this before but the opportunity has arisen. Good job buzzfeed. Yeah Let me say something I've never said before leave buzzfeed alone. Leave buzzfeed alone. They did a good job Yeah, remember three thousand people died in 9 11 and that was after a lot of opportunity or at least relatively a lot of opportunity To like evacuate and get out of there Yeah, not 50 fucking buildings Yeah, not there's two buildings two towers. Well, I mean there was also a plane went into the pentagon, I think and then there was Yeah, and of course like there was debris and stuff that I guess it's the whole idea that if 9 11 killed 3000 people and that was two skyscrapers imagine how much worse it would be When it's like 50 and there's no time to get out Yeah, it happens instantly not to mention all the people on the ground And all the other stuff the last effects with like the debris the glass the the smoke only people's lungs Yep And remember the reason why so many people died in north tower was because they couldn't get out They were trapped. So imagine how many people were just instantly killed when that ship made the buildings all fall over They don't even have a chance to escape. By the way, Bruce Wayne's totally getting lung cancer in the ceo He had a bat. He has bat lungs Agent is conservative. Maybe that might even be conservative considering how much damage is done But I'm really curious. Why is he calling this stupid? I'm Super curious. I can't wait. There's even a stupid buzzfeed infographic Estimating making fun of my movie and damages as a result of the fight superman has was odd Someone should inform the people making these criticisms that 99% of the destruction was caused by the black zero That he could have stopped but he took age is disgusting. It's starting a fucking black folks. He's a moron So not 99% because about eight buildings were destroyed by superman's negligence directly I also put this stupid fucking laser under the list of things superman could have stopped but didn't in time He could have stopped this way faster. Yep. This is on him as well. I'm sorry Again, watch civil war It's really good Well, it's on the literal other opposite side of the planet by his choice I remember that they destroyed the thing that the machine stops working You know the machine a lot by choosing to not stop the one in metropolis. He is responsible for its damage He went to the one to stop the one in the indian ocean Fuck that one. Well, yeah, like let's just go theoretically for the sake of like pretend 100% that it's exactly because that's how it works Right. It's it's on the two points of it goes right through So you got um the metropolis people with with the the the black hole setup Let's just be generous to this guy and say that 20 miles out or something I don't know exactly how close they are, but it's probably something like that. Um, and superman's standing there with them they are formulating the plan of You guys set up the black hole thing and move all the way over to there and explode it while I blow up the other one It's like, oh superman. How are you gonna do that? And he's like, I'm just gonna like punch through it It's like, oh One thing before you go and punch the indian ocean one. Can you go punch the metropolis one first? Yeah, because that one's in Metropolis it's like really close by it's actually like super fucking close by. Yeah, we can fly there and be there in no time So you can definitely get there quick I love that this guy has opted to choose like well, superman chose to go to a different one. So it's not his fault Wow He chose to not save those people. So those people dying isn't his fault You see the indian ocean, you know, if he hadn't gone to that one to destroy a lot of fishes lives may have Been lost, you know, that's that's tragic. So hey Have you guys ever heard of the phrase with great power comes great responsibility? So that applies to spider-man superman has even greater power And he is using it often That means we need to make great excuses for him Great power comes great excuses Great destruction comes the second with great misuse of great power comes great excuses The second those those will jet engines started to get into position Should have been like oh shit like we're in trouble and the second he escapes the um the prison cell Should have been zoom explode zoom explode done Um, remember there was no giant tentacle that came out of the metropolis one Yeah Convenient. Hmm. That was the weird pulsey gravity one If it had it might have been able to stop their ship by the way Because if the maximum length tentacle it just pushes their ship down You know, they can't connect the drives. They're fucked This movie is really bad It is very superman shows up to fight zod the fuck In sand destruction that the final man of steel battle would do but yeah, but That's not even incorrect. It's all the battle this the third act Yeah, yeah Here's all the battle just because one side doesn't start to fight back yet Doesn't mean that the first shots aren't part of the battle It's totally all of it is the it wasn't long before and all of it is on fucking superman because he's been Yeah, because he decides to go to the indian ocean one instead of the one in the insanely densely populated city I've never felt so happy to see buzzfeed annoy someone I'm just glad it's not me for once. Yeah, I don't right I know some people That's when we got there was some instruction but our point was like but there would be yeah With like it's we don't we weren't trying to tell a story that it's not in a magical world We're like all these buildings collapse and like somebody wouldn't be hurt It's like we were trying to say well, what if this really happened, but you made it his faults You know, you also fault you dipshit. He also didn't account for this until bvs. They didn't know bvs was a response They were like, oh fuck because again, I think we gave the context when we were covering bvs But I was like man of steel came out and everyone was like what the fuck this movie like barely even acknowledges all the people That have been horribly mid and destroyed and everything's like Greatest tragedy in human history. Yeah in the opening of bvs is like. Oh guys. No. No. No. No. No. We know we know Like look at the seed. Look at how sad everyone is. Look batman's angry about it. See we know they're kissing. I mean it was uh Oh The like I said we're gonna talk if they really wanted to address it They would actually have batman like mentioned that they would have anyone mentioned that I don't think that anyone in bvs actually mentions the fact that Like claire kent's kind of a piece of shit Well, superman's kind of a piece of shit for like well not guiding zot away. That's not ever addressed They almost Play with it when they have the lady say how do you choose which lives you save and which lives you don't Almost because the context of her saying that is that the evil terrorist people that he stops They blew up some other village and they say that superman didn't save them right which was a lie And then she says that she's gonna tell the full truth later if you remember Well, I thought that they they framed him for killing that village. That's what I just said. Oh, sorry, so The problem there is that she's almost Almost there, but it turns out that that's being said falsely and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but it's true with material No And yeah, batman doesn't have that conversation with him, which would have been great by the way This would be writing the sequel to man of steel with an angry batman who wants to fucking stop the monster that is man of Superman, it's not even that hard with what they give you about a steal Well I could think of plenty of reasons he'd be pissed batman would be like really like you he'd have such an understandable motivation He would like absolutely be the protagonist of it. Then they make batman the villain Yeah Because it's like you're trying to follow things through to it sort of logical like it doesn't happen there is Don't even say that word So, yeah to clarify the point goya is making there is that when it comes to like major battles with big figures Like yeah, people are gonna get hurt. It's like so our question wasn't Why are people getting hurt in this cataclysmic battle is why is super about making the battle happen? There was densely populated area within like possibility Why it's really weird people get hit that's why people get hit As we just taking the fight away from metropolis was not an option. It clearly was though. It literally do they go to space They can go to space, but they can't go Anywhere else Drugs Let's look at how superman handled it from that point and figure out exactly how much he is responsible for destroying almost all of it Basically all of it. Yeah because him choosing to go to the indian ocean and set up metropolis is a Is a huge fuck up. Yeah That's what we call there an opportunity cost incidence of damage caused by superman when he destroys the scout ship He accidentally takes out three buildings that oh my god. Look at that Holy shit. Are we about to introduce the concept of manslaughter to this person? I don't know what it is. You didn't mean to kill him so that you're not dead Superman's the one that caused the ship to crash You know what would have been really funny is if zod said please clark stop. You're gonna kill the humans If you kill them, then I can't kill them fucking hell clark have mercy Zod realizes that the only way to make superman upset is to save the humans. So the roles instantly reverse Oh, yeah, that would be a really great like comedic drop is it's he lazes the ship all the little kryptonian babies have burned alive They crashed through all these buildings all these people screaming it lands. They both get out and zod just goes Oh, fuck is wrong with you Jesus christ like fuck You just did like looks behind. It's just this row of a million towers. They've crashed And like i'm a fucking psychopath, but jesus you're something else Directly next to ground zero and are already burned out husks. Oh No, they're not. No, they're not No, we know this isn't true. We know this isn't true because why teller had people in it And that was near ground zero. That is not true, buddy. He's actually saying that it's okay. Yeah Get empty The people who defend this movie are actually insane Yeah, like your morality is fucked my dude Um, let me let me also point to all of the buildings that aren't burnt down that aren't with nobody in it It's like this What is wrong with you just because a building has been destroyed like half of it by the way That doesn't mean nobody's in it. It's still standing. Let's be knock it down. It is now totally destroyed for sure Yeah, and everything around it is fucked up too How about like the fact that it's just gonna take forever to clean all this shit up too. Absolutely there's so much wrong With this You know, I'm actually kind of sad this wasn't live at this point Funny to see chat react. Well, you know what we'll premiere it. We will premiere this Reveal how little people understand about basic ethics Wait, wait, or is this gonna be premiered or just uploaded? Oh, I I want to premiere it now. Just Yeah This is the moment that moller decided to premiere this e-fap Well, we I premiered the the tazm 2 one. I can't remember how many e-faps have been premiered, but yeah, we'll premiere this one Why not? Okay, so it's safe to Know's then we've got Three incidents of damage. He just has three. I want to really highlight the rhetoric here calling I am building getting leveled an incident of damage. I still only counts as one This is this is honestly bad faith These people are psychos I love this movie so much that you think a building collapsing is an incident of superman I'm so fucking ready to be done with mad if Exhausting wasted life dogs When you said we have to watch the dceu. Did you imagine we have to face shit like this? I had hope that mad of steel is gonna be the best one It's fucking chalk it up to be it's competition with one woman 84 at this point It's just it's doesn't work nothing works. It's so horrible Do you think that's gonna be worse than suicide squad though? Yes Yes It cannot be understated how bad mad of steel is like We we keep staying it, but it It's so bad Characters plot world building does this does this definitely see yeah all four pillars are fucking destroyed You see you see what superman's doing to this building right now That's what we've done to the four pillars a man of steel's story Oh Why is sod still in the city then sod kicks the tanker and superman could catch it But he dodges blowing up a parking garage and by the way right I like his smuggy is when he does it Little jumpy's like yeah, that didn't fucking hit me. He's like there was a building behind you my dad You can see him turning around and looking at it like whoops. That was probably a mistake, but it's just a parking garage Oh How do you think the cars get into the parking garage? There's little humans inside Think of all the people who wanted to use their cars to flee the city You see that that that little yellow car that's plummeting to the ground We don't know there's a person in there There's that means that there were other cars in there There could be just a couple of people in there just one person being in there That's one person that superman just let die It's an insane Level of damage that he's just like well, I'm sure Pretty fire He just turns around to look at it What brings a person to this? Like Then the front of this building is both of them as well as their Stop skipping over that. There's people in that building. You know like oh, yeah, and then this building Yeah, I don't know if the all the people on the ground. It's an incident of damage. Okay That debris ain't just fucking floating into the sky it's gonna fall down Yeah, they're not going into the sky like superman could have When zon used his laser vision you think that would have reminded superman that he has laser vision And he could aim it at zod and just like kill him Boom zod does this then zod punches him through this window superman revenge drag zod along this Oh, that's one incident. What incident of death Has this this this and all of this but superman did that Zod superman could have like flown away and zod because zod is constantly pursuing superman So if superman just flew really really high up or just away from the city But I would have followed him or could at least go back to the things they already fucked up Just fight there Yeah, go back to the graveyard kill the funny thing is that in avengers age of ultron the really bad one When they're fighting in uh in the city against hulk like Iron man makes a very concerted effort to both get hulk out of the city and save people who are in imminent danger And even that was a massive incident like that was a huge problem for them. It had to go into hiding The um, he's like check the building are the people in it how much could I could I buy it right now? And of course the um the part of the with the elevator. Iron man is actively saving civilians while battling hulk. It's It's really good. Yeah, and and this just god superman is way more powerful than iron man And then superman breaks a window and a balcony If you think a couple buildings a parking garage, why would you assume those buildings are empty? Are you fucking mad? Dude, dude, he's he's about to say if you if you think these things are I was like, don't finish that sentence, buddy Just even if we just go by this holy shit there And this is being incredibly generous to superman in terms of this is being shocking and generous when all of this is Yeah, we're not counting everything else that is his fault it's Yeah, because obviously we nine incidents what he's done is not only conservative like I blame superman for a lot more than what he's shown um But like the incidents themselves are incredibly huge. He's just like yeah well Amazing how far they'll go because obviously by the way like I don't know if you guys have checked out the comment section in this video that heavy No, I haven't I don't want to yes. It's what it's depressing. I bet Yeah, if you think this movie is good, you you just you failed I thought this movie was brilliant start of something amazing Oh, no, no, no Instruction site a line of windows and a balcony is some unforgivable amount of destruction on superman's part That's because you just decided to arbitrarily not count all of the skyscrapers that fell down How about you look at this wasteland? Okay, you are Dereously understating the amount of damage when you have the wasteland right here this post apocalyptic Literally post apocalyptic wasteland on screen. I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend for a second to be a diehard snider rider I'd say no this video is not even that good. He's over exaggerating the damage really superman kind of well He just he destroyed a bit of concrete. Yeah, okay a bit of glass Yeah, okay. That's what that's what I'm gonna say like like he's over exaggerating Well, that's what and then some other guys like no, you're over exaggerating. He destroyed a bit of stuff Oh, no, oh no a bit of stuff. Why are you over exaggerating it so much? What the fuck? You're desperate and it's showing property damage who man does another He's destroyed stuff. Oh my god So it's bad when it happens and other things too, it doesn't matter. It's not a plus Oh, so that seemed oh Why is he fighting shazam here? Yeah Yeah, the lights are even still on Yeah I will say perhaps there is context that we don't know for this. Who knows dude It is it is really impressive electricity there in that building that's like It's staying powered on So basically superman gets his cape handed to him for 20 minutes while zod blows up half of what's left of the city And superman is dealing with it the best he can yet why is why do you why do you say what's left of the city? What why is it? Why would you have possibly said the words what's left of the city? Because superman went to the indian ocean yeah, and And but in no way is he responsible for the destruction of him. Yes. He is He's absolutely responsible with great power comes great responsibility. He's fucking superman You're fucking enormous metropolis. Yeah Like if you actually Destroy whatever people at any rate you're going to have to chalk it up to inexperience because this is I don't have any experience and i'm saying this I like how he explained that to smash the pause button at the same time I find it fascinating that he's arguing you need to have experience before you'll value human life Fuck you How does he explain the like the five of us? I am I don't have any experience in this field and yet I have somehow arrived at the conclusion that maybe We should try and get zot away from the city. We should destroy the threats around populated areas instead of the empty ocean Like how do you explain that I would love to hear what his explanation is So like if there's like an active shooter and you um you have your own gun and you just Spray and pray and you end up hitting even more people than the active shooter was hitting But you eventually tag the active shooter and you you kill him um You're still going to be held accountable for all the people that you killed on accident Just saying this would be like if you just close your eyes and put a hand over your head and just blindly shoot Yeah, it's like well. He's inexperienced like exactly. Yeah, it's really hard I I haven't shot a gun before Again to go back to the orphan example. Iron man lasers the mole and just like I don't he's he's angry I'm inexperienced. It's like you're not accounting for the thing. You're saying other things. It's not he's an adult So annoying and since this was a superman who had only been superman for like a week He wasn't superman as we think of that's not addressing the problem But you don't have to have training for this When superman chooses to throw someone in one place out of several and it's the place that's populated That is a problem. That is not a lack of experience Stop saying it is it sounds like just a slithery excuse to get out of making superman a fucking crazy person Apparently common sense only comes with experience Okay Or the neil adam or the curse one or something like that or even in a world that conceived of superman existing He'd only flown for the first time a few days before that. That's not an excuse for any of this He'd never fought and also don't even start with me zod flew five seconds before the battle happened Yeah, look at how good he was Don't even start anyone that had superpowers before and so he's a going up against a guy who not only is superpowered But who has been training sin's birth to use those superpowers. No, no Kryptonians don't go to earth that is not a part of the things that they do they don't remember zod It's like oh my god the fucking powers what is happening to me He also it's the whole fucking motivation to not Um Stop the terraforming he wants to terraform because of the pain of experiencing earth's shisms to get the powers like Do you remember your own movie? apparently not powers This is a superhuman killing machine who has stated I will never stop until I destroy all of humanity. He's not a character. He's a joke Yeah, and this leads us to the most controversial scene in comic book movie history If if he's about to throw up the criticism superman shouldn't kill this is going to be funny for us because we'll just watch Yeah, because he's clearly he's clearly all right with it. He's killed so many people Yeah, definitely not all that bothered In fact, he showed the most great it is. Yeah, he showed the most grief over zod. He didn't care about all the huge Superman shouldn't kill zod Superman does not kill people It's been covered over and over on the internet that superman has killed people in the past But for some reason people act like it's no big deal for superman to kill zod in this film I'm fine with him What are you talking about your sentence is fucked. What do you mean? I think it is a big deal. Oh, right. Yeah. Sorry. I was already jumping ahead to I don't think it's a big deal that he kills zod in this scene. I feel like it was the smart thing to do No, yeah, the only thing the only thing to do he took his fucking time though Yeah, it's weird that it took this long Like he won On the contrary superman has no choice But to kill zod if he doesn't zod's gonna kill there After he cries out with remorse for not only having to kill but having to kill the old He's killed so many people at this point. I don't even fucking care. Whatever. I'm pretty numb to him killing people It's fine the other surviving member of his race the welling up. He killed all the fucking babies. Shut up When the scream of emotion was just haunting and the entire crew was kind of in awe and frozen and we're shooting this I don't really get it Clock the one person out of the billion you've killed in this film that was the one that really needed it Here's the sad thing is I actually think that's well performed, but the context for it is garbage I have no problem with henry at all in I can't appreciate henry cavill's performance in the scene. Like yeah, that's a that's a really good screen You place that screen in In a story that fucking earns it. That's a powerful moment. Yeah, but I can't that that's why writing is important This kind of thing it's it's the skeleton of the story This or your movie Superman, he's not It is deeply difficult Decision for him to make, you know, he's not a thing that he takes lightly and you can see it affects him Like sure, yeah, whatever Yeah, they'll turn zod into a zombie I thought he'd spend longer on that point, but okay Why doesn't superman cover zod because it'll burn his hand? I guess because it'll hurt him. Yeah And cover zod's eyes with his hand Heat vision hurts even kryptonians So why is he not using it? Yeah, thanks for just bringing up the other criticism So yeah, here's the thing if you try to fix it, it just tells us how fucking broken it is That means that your film has a lot of issues It's that thing where you you plug a hole of the three bursts from another area and you're like, oh Yeah, superman has a tentacle blade and the entire climax. It's great And besides that's not the point of the scene which is to have that's not an argument That's not your You are just Not the point of the scene Superman kills odd Why doesn't superman just fly up? Here we go Well, I thought we did this already like why didn't you take him to space and then his criticism was because he'll just come back To what end he's been doing that the whole time what end get him away from people like Why would you ask that question? That's the end Yeah I don't even know Like I'm a little We went over this like Wait, so what's the point might might So the criticism was why doesn't superman take zod up into space essentially and then his response to that was to what end It's as far away as possible Get him away get him away from everything What what a stupid fucking question and if you want to argue Superman doesn't have any way of dealing with him ultimately though and it's like well He does he can kill him and you can do that anyway, so Better you do in space I think And to Sess if superman keeps zod from killing these people he'll have to keep him No, I just thought would superman have let zod's body be taken by the government Um I guess there's more than just I don't know what superman would or wouldn't do Yeah, that's kind of the problem. I have no idea what's kind of going on in his head I'm from killing a group of people and the next group and the next because as zod said I don't even yeah, so wait, I'm I guess I'm a little confused as to what his point is I'm gonna roll him back because I don't understand how this accounts for anything And besides that's not the point of the scene which is to have superman kills off Why the point of the scene is to have him kill zod so fuck logic and fuck anything that happens and Fuck mechanics and just fuck all of it because the point is he kills zod so there Yeah Just fly up with zod to what end he's been doing that the whole time to zero success if superman No, it's such a fucking bizarre question. He had some success They got into space at one point And then they miraculously somehow landed back exactly on metropolis So just do that again Certainly keep trying instead of Punching him through places. Why don't you even come back down? Time to zero success if superman keeps zod from killing these people He'll have to keep him from killing the next group of people and the next group And the next because as zod said to take him to space. That was that was the criticism Space Oh, no zod saying he's gonna kill everyone take him to space One by one and he'll never stop Never so kill him. He's going to space kill him Yeah, he's killing the space He's arguing against a group of people who think superman shouldn't have killed him. That's a problem. We've moved on from that one though Oh, yeah, I know. I know if this is yeah And besides that's not the point of the scene. There's no stop saying that Other way to stop zod and the film was written that way on purpose stop Appealing to That's not how would anything works. We did it on purpose What was the point of you answering any of the criticisms in this video if you could have just said? Well, it was written that way. I did it on purpose. Yeah, it was Oh my god Again, useless defense ever it was written to be that way Like, okay. Thank you it's like It's like you're going why does the Hall of maneuver work? Well, it just does. Okay, it's written that way This is that's the point of the scene. Also. Wow. We're moving on In that instance is like if you the way I work the way Chris works is you do what's right for the story That exists entirely. No, that's not how you work That's how you think you work That's how you justify your work You and I have very different definitions of what's right for the story, buddy. Oh, yeah From what fans should or shouldn't think of that character you have to do what's right for the story Oh god, we've we're where else have we heard this before Gotta do what's right for the story. I feel like that applies to so many people You decide what the story is you're the fucking writer literally there was a uh like a thing that I think um I think it was in your your critique of tlj moller where um mark hamill was pleading to ryan johnson like we have to think about the fans and ryan johnson says no, we have to think about the story first Yeah, like that's right. I mean whenever you come to really shitty content the the authors will often say like it was right It was the right thing to do. You're like, okay The story needed it We do something because well, that's the way the fans would or wouldn't like it. We have to follow Truth of the story. Yeah, no, you're the writer. Why are you appealing to a story that you have total control over? Well, that's bass ackwards the interesting thing I find is that um A lot of what I would appeal to in some stories are that like this is what so, you know, like huck's blowing up the base That's what should have happened. Sorry the ship. That's what should have happened If you want to run everything up to that point the way it was then you're gonna have to have everybody in the fucking I forget what the ship's name is. It's good. That's gonna. Yeah, the rat is gone. I'm sorry That is what has to happen Up to the point where they're deciding a target, right? Like if it's only for example, right? So you're like, well, I'm the writer I can make anything happen I was like, oh well unless you introduce some new variable that changes anything here like huck you'd have to you'd have to Go back. Yeah, because you're the one who put the rat in that situation And that's what I was saying in terms of like to a degree sometimes stories do essentially just like I mean you're beholding. You're beholding to something that you created. Yeah. No. Yeah, ultimately in that scenario It's still you that made all these things especially because man of steel is the first one in the dcu. You have complete control You had so little to have to adhere to Basically just yourself and even then you fuck it up. Yeah, and awesome from a thematic standpoint We were it was a story about a guy who's the lack I feel sorry for themes They get used to make horrible things happen all the time Themes is like, uh, I didn't ask for any of this. He was asked to apologize. He has to keep coming out to it's like I'm so sorry about this They did it. It wasn't me Last of his kind opportunity to have his kind back, but it means right he's gonna So if he was upset about having to kill the last of his kind then he shouldn't have lasered all those babies to death Yeah And the argument it's like well, they weren't babies yet. It's like don't even go there They're the only chance of babies ever even happening for kryptonians. It you erase Everything kryptonian once you destroy them That decide so from us if you take superman out of it. What's the right way to tell that story? I think the right way to tell that story is if you take this powered alien Who says you can have your race back, but you have to kill your adopted race the moral Why would the alien say that? Why would you write it to where the alien says this you fucking numpty Why he says that because you are the writer and you wrote him to say that They never even get to have that conversation though. It's just a thing that happened You know like i'm gonna terraform earth. It's gonna kill all of the humans and then cloggers. Why? He's like because they're pathetic. It's like that doesn't mean you have to kill them Well So it's just like I don't know what to say to you anymore. I don't have any arguments because I don't have a character I don't know what else he would say He's like he's tying up his hands and saying my hands are tied. Yeah Actually be forced to kill Not wanting to but be forced to kill the only other person from your race and to sort of give that up Again, we've said this before but I wouldn't give a fuck if my race were horrible murderous psychopaths I'd be like, yeah, I mean good thing. I didn't turn out like them Yeah, glad I avoided being a murderous psychopath like the rest of my people Take superman aside. I think that's the right way to tell that story But it's a superman movie. You can't take superman out of it Writing at this wave violates superman's character because he has a code that doesn't allow him to kill What is with that? The interesting drawing. Yeah, I don't know what this is This is the writing of this movie personified into a superman image That was a chonkler like he's He's I think the comfy arms. His wrists are as thick as his biceps No, is what you're about to say wasn't it? Well, we corresponded a quote from director Zach Snyder David and I had long talks about it and Chris and I talked long about it And I was like I really feel like we should kill Zod and the watch This will surprise me Zach. You kill everything Yes, everything dies. You killed superhero. You kill just everything dies. It's all miserable He's they're at the scene. They're filming the scene with with Zod. They're deciding that and it's like Zach's like What are you killing? What are you? It's like, oh, well Zach, he's already killed loads of people It's like like what do you mean? He's like, why are you the Kryptonian babies? All the people he's like driven into buildings When he when he failed to stop the world engine by going with the other one Like he killed a lot of people indirectly with that. So like, yeah, he's killed tons I don't see why this would be an issue. Zach's like, oh Okay, then I guess the answer is yes I go if it's truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained. It's just in his DNA And he's right So that's just people Yeah, you don't actually have to explain why you don't want people to die That could be something you just don't want Yeah, most people don't want to kill other people Yeah, um, also doesn't in BVS. He does more Propertism damage Yeah That could easily kill people. Like I guess did Superman know these places are unpopular Oh Because it seems to me that they're suggesting that this is the this is the thing that makes him averse to killing Which is funny to me that Zod would be the one not everything else Right superman's aversion to killing has never really been explained Because he's a person with it just like empathy for other humans He's treating him. You don't have to it's the default. He's treating clock like a t800 Where it's like John Connor has to teach him the killing is wrong Like what he's a piss Why do we treat clock like he's this weird blank slate that has to be like, you know humans aren't too great Are they it's like, oh What do you suggest like maybe maybe they should drown my dad kind of told me So strange because that's what they're arguing the arc is like he learns that you know humans are worth saving It's like when were we not? What do you mean? Why? Why was this when you had to learn Man of steel heavily in the philosophy of a superhero and even in the comics There's no philosophical reasoning behind the no killing That does not really deal in the philosophy at all Why do we need him to explain like base fundamental like Ethics in terms of why you don't want someone to die. The default is that you don't want to kill other people Why would you need that if you do that's the thing that makes us go? What the fuck's wrong with this person? That's why we look at murderers and go like what the fuck's wrong with him Why are they killing people? That's why someone like punisher is an anomaly. It's like, whoa, he kills them It's like yeah, he does and he does it for this reason and it's always explained because that is outside of the door Um, I mean, I guess not so much now right because like in the mcu Very few of those characters have a problem with kill, but it's not that they want to I think that's the important part right The context for someone like punisher though is that he would rather them die than be put in chains Yeah, right. That's kind of the point. I'm getting like iron man will kill people to suppress the threat Not because he's like yeah, you I enjoy killing you you deserve to die not anything like that Yeah, because we can still generate tough situations for like, uh, you know all the people in the mcu Um, right But but most of them operate in a sense that if they're in the middle of a big fight then yeah They'll do stuff that'll kill people and they won't really have much of an issue with a man though reasoning there's the idea But the best explanation we could find without having to read a million superman comics Is that since he's stronger than everyone else he has the choice not to kill are we really doing this? Oh, like you don't We're trying to figure out why he doesn't like by default kill people when that's just people In most situations where lesser beings would be forced to and for that reason he holds himself to a quote higher standard But this reasoning doesn't include a value judgment That reasoning is based on the presupposition that killing is wrong no matter what the situation Why is taking a life a lower standard than not taking one? Why does superman value the lives of heroes and mass murderers equally? We're not oh, okay Now we're going to a different place. Yeah I'm okay with the idea that he wants people to live more than he wants them to die However, if we were in a situation where you had to choose between like Zod and that family I'd be like superman. I know you don't like to kill but there's an obvious fucking choice here. Yeah Um, you ain't got to like it, but yeah, and then if you would kind of a easy one If you just let zod go because he doesn't want to get involved and then zod blasts the family to death. I feel like We're just asking what is the philosophical basis for superman's no killing code We've heard it said that killing supposedly lowers a hero to the criminal's level But that's not sufficient reasoning because that's equating the act What does he have to do with man of steels like because this is I guess he's really going hard on this Some people don't like the idea that superman could kill Which is I don't know It's not something I hear often. Maybe a lot of people say it Well, like I guess what I'm because he's trying to attack the core fundamental like of of Superman not killing in general now This is a specific superman in the movie What I mean is like he went from defending the movie to attacking superman in the comics that I was like, all right I guess if you want to go to this, I mean, I'm not too invested at that. I'm just like, okay Act with the motive Context is everything in this situation and a criminal killing someone for personal gain is a considerably less Justifiable act than a hero killing that same criminal to save their victims. Again. I'm cool with him killing zod. I don't yeah Yeah, I yeah, I shocked he didn't do it earlier Many people including batman's reason that it wouldn't stop with just one villain If you're going to kill one criminal, why not just kill every criminal? really Why because criminals do different degrees of different things in different situations the idea that we kill what we kill of all I mean Yeah, holy shit calm down. So looks like this comic seems to be depicting superman in a villainous light Yeah, this is just this I think Yeah, I think this isn't just argument Context doesn't exist in the superhero world and everything is absolute The answer is talking to I don't know threatening innocent lives that are as strong or stronger than he is if there's no alternative Thursday or mr. Rumpel still skin or whoever else and no He shouldn't have to expose himself in shame to gold kryptonite afterwards because killing means he doesn't deserve his powers I don't I don't whatever Killing destroys superman's character if he uses his powers to kill he doesn't deserve to have them What about all the people he might have saved in the future? What happens when the next unkillable by humans super villain shows up with these arguments someone else? Well, we don't make these arguments whoever is whatever people do that I'm sure that there are Because if there are people who talk about spider-man, it's this or that There's definitely going to be the case with superman Does superman expect humanity to protect itself? I thought he valued human life and swore to protect it whenever he could Well, he still can even after he's forced to kill someone That's the equivalent of saying either superman saves all lives or superman saves no lives And that's that's not really that's ridiculous. Oh, but he's like this seems like it fit really well into the writing of this It's held to a different standard. You see this is the kind of problem you get when you don't have a philosophical basis for your Yeah, by the way, he is held to a higher standard Yeah, superman Is absolutely held to a higher standard because of his capabilities the earth in two if you want to Like the he's gone back to the philosophical bit. I don't need a philosophical base from to not want to kill people I would want to talk to him if for example, he let zod kill the family you like bro. Yeah on an explanation Personal sort of stop To killing cost him lives of the entire planet or even that little kid that are those little kids Yeah, that little family So like if he had said like well, I just I'm morally opposed to killing so I guess I have to let him kill those people Yeah, that's those those are the dilemmas however much you're not good at Korean dilemmas zack. Yeah. Yeah, that's Like you need to you need to learn what a tough choice is. Well, he is one protect your identity or A bunch of children drowned like oh definitely protect your identity. It's a tough one Since you think no kill code makes this movie is challenging that idea when it forces him to kill to say that movie is Challenging my fucking patience. Yeah, this movie definitely challenges superheroes. No cool kill rule. I agree It's quite the challenge But in man of steel superman's code hasn't yet been established The movie is testing superman's morality by removing choice Thereby giving him a starting point to develop a reasoning for his code not arbitrarily That doesn't get developed at bvs like I kind of just stop developing superman in that film the next time they Shine the light don't go to it. The bat is barely a character in that film. It's all about batman Yeah, it's weird like the comics but based experience and real values The film that's probably the biggest failure of that's the central conflict of that movie that movie's namesake Which they don't actually do a lot with at all. No, is that they don't show us superman being like a bad person At least the at least the film doesn't Make an effort to they had like he is because of this but in this universe. He isn't In this universe, you can definitely be super critical of him But he's clearly a good guy for that's worth like he's yeah The the movies clearly portray him as a very very clear force for good and a very pro Batman's the wonky one. You know, lots of pro goodness Yeah, Batman's got weird stuff going on when he's angry and says weird things does weird things Superman character from a real world perspective within the context of this movie's choice theme and outside of choice theme Based on him by his own canon and fandom Yeah, I mean for me, it's like you could turn the question back around and say why is really People seem to have to take issue with because it's like is it comforting the idea that superman wouldn't I mean It's not like something that doesn't exist in the real world. No, and it's a real world problem But you know my point is like he's not I guess they're just talking about the good old-fashioned just dilemmas that require you to kill somebody Okay, yeah Superman until Like the penultimate scene of that film and then he doesn't understand that he has this sort of you know People think of him in a certain way. There's no like superman kills or doesn't kill kind of thing That doesn't exist in this story yet, and we were trying to do within the frame We picked that up relatively realistic story about what did this guy existed? But this isn't the real world, okay? This is the world of deus ex machinas and unchallengeable ideals product placement. Is it allowed here? No, but you made it that way The film made it that way though What's down to is that people who disapproved and to have a deus ex machina and if you don't write one in I wasn't even clear what he was saying there was a requirement. Was he saying No, was he saying that our movie like That's what they do in the comics. There's a deus ex machina And the movie isn't a real world, but they appeal to the real world. So i'm confused So what I think he's saying is that um the comics will bail Superman out from making the decision and the the movie doesn't because it's Grounded it doesn't get to have deus ex machinas exist. But this isn't the real world, okay? This is the world of deus ex machinas and unchallengeable ideals product placement. Is it allowed here? What it really comes down to like insulting the concept of yeah To is that the people who disapprove of zod's killing only do so on the basis that they don't want to see a story Where superman has to make the decision to kill they want it written so that he always has a way out and a reason not to face ethical Yeah, we've come across the same shit with batman And they'll say we don't want to have that story Dilemmas because they think that's what the character is about Superman should never be written into a situation where he has no choice but to kill There's a lot of focus on this no kill thing It's not even it's not even an issue I have with the movie It's flashing back to all of these terrible augurs. We had to deal with about batman He always finds a way In other words, I don't ever want superman to be tested morally and ironically the only way to explore a character's morality It's not an issue with the film either. Nope. You guys got you guys got to hear this again find another way In other words, I don't ever want superman to be tested morally and ironically the only way to explore a character's morality is to have it tested Yeah, so it gets tested here and guess what he fucking fails Yeah, he fails again again with like all of his decisions if choices are the fucking theme of this movie then he Fails Across the board. It is nothing except a just a long series of comedically horrific Bad decisions that superman makes. Hey, look at the sun came up at this point, huh? Hope is like the sun Because this video is almost over The situation character gets into are not the character the way the character deals with those situations is the character If you write superman a way out, of course, you'll take the way out because that's his character If you don't write him a way out, it's much deeper and you get to explore what his character will do and how he deals with a No way out situation. And anyway, what's the alternative sends odd back to the phantom zone? So it wants to die in this, you know, I think I guess By superman's own admission, that's a fate worse than death. The phantom zone is a timeless endless prison. So wait a minute What are you saying? That's in a comic. That's in a comic anyway Yeah, well that is the comic for stars. He's he's cool without being the military's plan anyway So what the so clearly he has no problem with killing people. He's already due the people to an eternity in the phantom zone Basically infinite It's by no means a peaceful alternative to death means how can you be damned to a black hole for eternity instead of just being Even life sentences only go for like a hundred years. It's merciful for superman to kill zot compared to well now They go until you die People often say that superman killing his enemies would be him acting unjustly as judge jury and executioner But if he's banishing bros to the p-zone, he's still judge and jury He's still the one making the decision above and outside the law Was the execution part really the only objection the dude is sentencing people to infinite torture by himself The people who think that superman should be immune to morally difficult situations are unwittingly proving the movie's message Uh, yeah, i'm i'm totally yeah, it's not an issue with the film. It's i guess a particular set of people who think that's I'm happy for superman to be challenged on his morals there This film didn't do that. This film was embarrassing Right they find out there's a superman or someone making a superman movie And they impose all of these rules and expectations onto the character and his story the filmmakers have no choice They must unquestioningly recreate my preconceived notion of superman and the kinds of things he's allowed to deal with or i will reject him man, it's like You're flashing back to just talk about spider-man and batman. Holy shit. It's amazing That's exactly what jonathan kent was afraid of don't bring him Yeah, you have tarnished the reputation of the kent's is absolutely I hope that if i have parents they are nothing like these two Oh, wait, wait, did i say if i have parents? I do have parents. Why did i stand up? That's very I have no idea why Parents they're way better than the kent's I was stuck in the phantom zone We've answered these problems. Hopefully we've given you a reason to watch the film again and give it another chance Never ever again never not for the rest of my life Come across something in a movie that doesn't immediately make sense instead of dismissing it as bad. You can how about you watch it again bud? I mean There were only 10 incidents of damage. So there was one more than nine You know instead of coming to terms with the fact that your movie fucking sucks Maybe you could just invent a secondary film that didn't actually happen to try and explain the events of the one you didn't like That'll do it Yeah, just lie about what happens do some research and try to make it make sense Instead of dismissing it as bad You can watch more closely do some research and try to make it make sense Then be pleasantly surprised and after that if you honestly can't justify the thing Then you can run to the youtube comment section and yell at people about it. Yeah close minded comic book nerd Hey, you're lucky. You're you're in luck. We don't typically read them all I don't give a shit about comics with a perfect counter for this video because we don't give a fuck about the comic Yeah, I've not read a single Superman comic this movie was shit. I can't read Yeah most con Nerds You close minded comic book nerds If you like comment and subscribe within the next 15 minutes, we'll double the salt absolutely free Here's how to order this this video didn't come across as salty it came across as desperate and pathetic That was awful That was really bad That was yeah, they started making points, but they weren't points we'd ever make Yeah, they they focused a lot on the whole superman no kill thing But i'm like was it fucking care. I guess that's a common person into the film But was it worse than philmento is the question. I think that one was yeah Said things philmento didn't say a lot. Yeah, philmento made up some weird rules. It has goals Um Yeah, the plot happens basically and that's good that the Just one actually made arguments Yeah, it it made pathetic arguments. It's what revealed some really made me think that these people don't have any moral fiber, but that's all good Yeah, so it's don't worry I mean that's not as important as like trying to defend a movie Again find ourselves judging someone's morality and their video about how it felt is good It happens so often You have to defend our movie fuck morality you can't have moralities, but all the codes just get it But if morality is a thing then that means that my movie is bad And the movie is far more important Then my morality is fuck those fetuses babies Fuck those fetuses. Fuck those fetuses Superman 2021. Fuck them in their fuck pod Um Yeah, there was a wet there are more in the fuck pod There are more man of steel videos that defend it. There is one called man of steel is the best Superman movie There is man of steel is a great Superman movie and man of steel is not an awful movie I think we've gone over it Yeah, I would be very happy to never talk about this film again because I can't All I'll say is fuck this movie. I never want to see it again There's even more wrong with it that we haven't covered in the two Big pieces of courage and the efet movies. It's just that we can't cover everything. I feel like we've Checked out the major arguments saying why this film is good And we've presented the major arguments for why it's fucking terrible. Um But again, you've you've said it several times, but we can't understate just how bad this film is like it's it's Oh, yeah, it's really bad. BBS is better. Okay Batman versus Superman is better. Yeah, I'm one of woman one. So I yeah, I'm in the camp. So one woman one is better. Yes I think so. Yes Yep, I I think I said it I said it from when we we watched it. It was uh Rags and he gets the trophy What was hey, hon. Hey, hon. So, uh, who was the third guy that said that one woman was better? Was that metal? I think well me. No, I think I think Was it was capital metal? I think was uh on the Man of steel camp with us. Yeah, my listings are uh, Batman versus Superman then wonder woman then man of steel then wonder woman 84 Yeah, I forgot. I do want just to know I just do want a note thrown in like man of steel is trying its best to get down to wonder 184. Okay Like oh, yeah, man woman 1984 just makes so little sense that i'm not sure that it can be challenged Will building is like a zero out of 100 while. Yeah, but the thing is like Maybe it was max lord. Yeah max lord does make this a competition to sub degree because mad of steel nothing works Okay, nothing, but there's max lord So that's what i'm saying, but I think I think I see an idea of nothing works, but the Like wonder woman 1984 Fuck me the things that don't work. Jesus Yeah That's true, but I feel like 84 just none of it works. I feel Like there's max lord Yeah, but the way that it fits into like it man of steel like at least fits into this retarded universe's timeline Wonder woman 1984 can't exist Um true, but at the same time like That that's a point against it. I guess uh Will building a lot. Well, I feel like it's a point against it as being part of a series, which I think counts for sure No, I wouldn't that's what I was saying. I was trying to categorize it. I'm not sure if I put it in will I'm not sure what it would categorize as. Yeah, I would say world building If wonder woman is supposed to have been category continuity with other, you know It definitely takes points down for that. I just I just I just think the matter of steel is worthless It's so bad Every single thing it is trying to do it just stumbles all over the place It cannot help itself I I am I'm closely approaching the point of saying that it's worse than wonder woman 84 I'm I'm I just wanted I just wanted to present it as a possibility. I'm not sure I'm I'm getting close. So I think the whole I think everyone in the planet being able to make wishes is kind of unbeatable Yeah, it's like that's that's a universe breaking. Yeah, that tempers with the nature of reality The very nature of how things exist in this world like physically is just fucked in that film Yeah, man, I'm still like it all works. It's just shit. Some notes disappear. Some looks exploit in the air I'm sorry. Does that really Does that really like offset? The the fact that there's more redeemable factors in 84 that there are in What black holes don't work the way they're fucking supposed to oh, yeah No, I guess what I'm saying is like that don't work the way that they're supposed to and that's fucking insane but like I can't even I can't even like Imagine having cameras in different places around Wonder Woman World and have the things follow just like I I get that so if you know what I mean Yeah, so the worst thing in in in 1984 is going to be worse than the worst thing in man of steel Probably however, there's still way better things in 84 than there are Thing in Wonder Woman 1994. That's max thing. Yeah, it's the only thing everything else shit thing Yeah, everything else and even that thing is halfway Yeah, like it's mainly the potential that I think it's is what we like more so than how it's When we say those Was it two or three good scenes? Well, there were the two when he's in his office and then at the end and then at the end with his son But how did he even get how did he find his son? You know what I mean? Even the good scene doesn't make sense Not character. I I'm just saying what is there in man of steel Well, I guess what I'm saying is like, I'm not sure if I would say that man of man of steel has some incredible lows I just don't know if they're quite as low as that's 84s wish I would say 84 is worse Yeah, I definitely think the intensity of its badness is same here. Yeah I get that now the intensity of his badness makes it kind of fun to watch whereas Man, it's not fun to watch I I mean, I agree. I brought another one in 84 Oh, yeah Yeah Um, I get you I follow I do I do Also, I mean, how much do we how much do we put on? You know, like is there any act? Well, there is some bad acting in in man of steel But like the main character in 1984 is poorly acted Like how do you get around that? You know in terms of with factoring that into Yeah, like I think I think nobody in this film is horrendously bad Um, I mean Michael Shannon's pretty bad, but I wouldn't say that he's uh, But I feel like it's almost not even his acting. It's like the material is shit Like there's nothing he can do to make it work I know but like I think it's just a couple lines. It's not like it's not a performance in generally like a lot of stuff He says it's perfectly normal. Yeah, it's totally good. Yeah. I think he's a really he's a good Zod With the exception of a couple lines Yeah, I will find him in on a farm in the bank That was the script that he didn't write so I guess um All my brain's racking around is the idea like if if if they really were four columns and for every Break or bend being contrivance or whole Like, you know, man steel is rubble Entirely while uh one 184 is rubble too, but there's a couple of bits of structure left Because I consider them both both broken But I'm assuming you guys like think that one 184 so broken like the floor was caved in or the rubble has gone into Hell I think it's catastrophic Like I think that's how we categorize like crisis on infinite earth as being like worse than everything else because it's just It's adherence to logic and it it's it's world It just breaks We are we are talking about two horrendously bad films. So it's kind of like infinitism's broke time and space Like, uh, yeah, which is in the same realm as I don't know about that Wonder Woman 1984 absolutely fucks with space. That's for sure. Well, no We don't know how it works that it just can't make like we're so beyond confused at how exactly Which is doing anything shows us contradictory things about the way that like time moves forward in the way the objects and permanence even exists You know what I mean? Yeah, but meanwhile infinitisms does time and space have been deleted. Here you go. This is an area No, I I know I I think infinite earths is worse than 84 like holy shit. Yeah That's worse. Yeah, that's like a that's a story that's functional, but it's not even it's like holding on by a thread Yeah, if it was any worse it couldn't be a story I mean, I'm sure that I don't put them both in the batwoman category like the Oh, yeah, batwoman is that's why yeah batwoman's the three I think I'd be happy to put manips No, no no no batwoman's two three is tlg. Oh, it's the one one of the two. Okay I think I'm totally comfortable with putting manip Steel in the two camp. I just feel like it's a higher hero head Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Not by much Yeah, I want to give some I want to give some weight to the like whatever redeemable factor Is in 1984 as like just say just sort of a point of reference of man of steel has nothing And one woman has at least something But one of the problems I think are a little bit more significant a little bit more significant Yeah, I agree, but I also want to appreciate that there's more in 1984 that's likable than there is I guess what I'm saying is I think it balances out in man of steel's favor by just a little bit Because the things I like still have tons of issues with them Like yeah, like there's more there's more that's good in winner soldier, but batwoman is like more entertaining Yeah, like I don't want us to circle too hard like I get it. I completely follow. I just um It'll be because I think with this and the fucking by the way They just got a message that the man of steel if it moves has got another copyright hit so he's so he's got a re-render again Gonna be some time before that comes out potentially which sucks because it's a fun one, but um That'll be it for man of steel with this and the effort movies finally coming back out. Please. Thank you Well, no more. No more. We're moving on to be the ass the e-faps Oh This guy the twin perfectly. He's got one for bvs. Luckily it is 25 minutes instead of 37 so He doesn't think they're good does he it's called why you're wrong about batman versus superman No movie shit. Oh, shit. I was so wrong. He's he's got more than one video on bvs Oh my god, there's three films They're all they're all subtitled the first is batman's motive explained the second one is the bartha controversy and the third Lex luther's plan explained Stop it Well, the fact that when we were originally doing this. I'm like, hey, I want to help cover the Wonder Woman 1984 I wasn't necessarily signing on to do the whole dceu, but now I'm already in here I'm converted for the long haul Yeah The top comment is on the first of the bvs ones It's so refreshing to see people who actually understand what zack snider's vision for this movie was And I'm sure we're gonna get times of that when justice late comes out. Oh, I see it all makes sense It was all leading up to this and it's gonna be your fucking shit Because it's all awful And with that I guess it's the end of this effort Hey Go who knows what we're looking for Yeah Well, um, yeah, thanks for watching folks. Merry christmas guys. It's gonna be out before. Yeah everyone Happy halloween Happy february Schlenke flumes Written to buy Yeah, goodbye everyone