 Hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official Mr. Maker. What's going on? None of you know my dad, we all gone. Man, guess what, man? God been good to me, man. I got a guy in here today. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. Nah, man, club gone. Listen, listen, listen. This guy right here, this guy right here, man. Say, man, you know, I listen to him at night when you go to sleep. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because his videos are a little deeper than all the other ones that I watch. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, you got the videos going, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to that boy, B-King in the building. I'm on Boss Talk, man. I told you before we got started. I'm a big fan. I love all the interviews. I love the lighting. Oh, man. Everything, man. Man, thank you so much, man. We love you, bro. We just been waiting on you to get here. I've been waiting ever since it was after that call interview I started going for him. I said, I'm going after B-King. And he asked me right back, too. And we've been back and forth ever since, so thank you so much. So I'm getting away with that Hollywood ass shit, man. I don't feel like I'm too big to talk to nobody. But you had these records. You was taking them around to everybody. I remember that. You took them to the blacks, man. Yeah, that's right, that's right. You even went all gold with it for a year. Yeah, I think, was it Papa Run by that guy, Warren? That's like my brother. Yeah, and shout out Papa Run top of all, B-King. And I was like, man, that boy had been in town. Did you take one? You didn't go to these texts you wanted. TB, he didn't get one. I gave TB one. Okay, okay. I gave TB one. Okay, yeah, I was like, man, this boy going around and doing it right, man. Hey, man, I look at it like, man, for a nigga to call himself club, God, I ain't shit without DJs. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So they've kept me afloat the last 13 years. That's real. So, yeah. That's real. DJs. But I want to know about you as an individual before you became club guide, guerrillas, all of that sort of stuff. Guerrilla, Zope, guerrilla, B-King. Club Godzilla, don't say that. Club Godzilla, that's what it is. That's the only thing. Is he doing anything? He, I recently just saw him at the, the Tycoon thing, 50 Cent ad. I think I did. I did see them. Yeah, I be nosey on, you know. We follow each other. I'm into him, what he got going on. He, you know, everybody just, you know, you hit a certain, you know, plateau, man. You know, a lot of people, if you're not doing it on the same level you were when you first came out, people think you fell off, but, you know, he's still working. Well, let me just break it down to your layman terms, the way you would do it in my level. You know, nigga get hit a big record, get a little money and the nigga change. You get lazy. He don't do it as hard as he used to. He ain't got that bite no more like he used to. But you know, I'm gonna tell you the other side of that. You get on, you get a big song, and then you turn up. And then all of a sudden, next year, you have your song again. You give it to all these same radio stations but they just don't play it. Wow. That's a turned up nigga. That's turned up this year. That's real. So now they're not playing you next year. Your fans look at you like, why we not hearing you as much? Have you fell off? No, my music's still hard. Hey, this ain't playing it this year because they playing a new young nigga. And then five years later, your money, draw it up, everybody think you fell off. That's the reality. That's the reality. That's the reality. Dang, now get him again because he's trying to get out of his way. That's the reality of it, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, now my label is never fall off because I believe in longevity. I'm a Houston nigga. I come up watching the OG's like Slim and motherfucking Michael Watts. And that's what I'm cut from. What part of Houston were you born and raised in? I'm from a North side, Studiwood, right next to Acre's home. Siblings? Siblings, just my mom, my younger brother, but he was young, young, you know what I'm saying, 10 years younger than me. But for the most part, I have an older brother on my dad's side, but my dad, he lived in Austin. Who's just me, my mom, my little brother? Okay, so you weren't really involved with your dad as much? I say I probably spent all together telling up all the time, probably a month. Really? Yeah, just all the different times, different weekends or a week here or, you know, like we weren't seeing eye to eye like that when I was younger now. When I, before he passed away, he passed away when I was 18. We got good before he died. Oh yeah, that's good. At least you did before. Yeah, we got good before he died. Did you ever ask him why? It was, we know why, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know, when you get older, you know what I'm saying? You understand as you get older. When they die, that's when you're sitting there like, damn, okay, well, this, you're the reason I ain't ugly, I wish I knew more about you and shit. You know what I'm saying? When they gone, you know, it's over there and you can't talk to them then, you know, so, but we got good before he passed away, so. But you and your mom real tight? My mom, yeah, she the whole, my whole musical inspiration. She the whole reason I know how to play a piano. Really? You know how to. So she does all that? Yeah, well, she passed away in 2015, you know what I'm saying? Sorry to hear that. It's cool, yeah, she the whole reason I'm musical, you know what I'm saying? Raised me up in church, kept a piano in the house. She was the, yeah, she was the musician at church. So she would play the piano, I would play the drums and, yeah. And that's what you did in church too. So you, you know, joined the choir, could you sing? I was in the choir, like I was, I went to church so much, it's the reason why I guess I don't fuck with church now. You know what I'm saying? Like I was in church so much as a kid, man. Choir hearse is on Wednesdays and Fridays, and you gotta, you know what I'm saying? What's the, what's the, a revival or something? Every other month, Sunday, you got church and you got the morning, the evening service, the night service. Damn, me like, I gotta stop, man. And you did it for years. Man, you know you in church too much when you eat with them. Yeah. And you go to lunch with them. You have to, everybody go to lunch and, like I would go to church and be excited because it was doughnuts in there. Like I would eat them before I go in the service and get the drumsticks and all that. Like it was, yeah. It was different. I went to church so much, you know what I'm saying? So now I'm grown and it's just like, my mom passed away, I stopped going. I was like, I really, I was going because you was making me go, you know what I'm saying? But now, you know, it's, and I kind of hate that for my daughters because they aren't raised in church, but they're good young women and I make sure that they know who God is. I was just about to say that, that's what we do too. Yeah, but they're not in church like that. Cause I'm just like, man, look, I feel like that's what all the whole was saying. I'm saying, keep y'all out of there. But you know that you are the church and as much as, you know, cause I was raised in a church as well, but it was a case where I was forced to go, not forced to go, but it was tradition. Every Sunday you get up and you know, let's go to church. If you don't go to church, you know, what you mean by you not going to church? You're going to go to church. So you just went because you had to go. And I couldn't tell you everything that a pastor was saying cause sometimes I fell asleep. It don't really relate to your life. At that time. You know, you're young, you know what I'm saying? Right. To me, it's, I feel like if you can find ways to make things easier, it's like I dropped out of school twice because I didn't feel like waking up to go and getting dressed to go and catching three metro buses to go and all that, you know what I'm saying? With church, you got to wake up. You got to put on uncomfortable church clothes. You got to get in their cars all hot in the morning. You got to, you know what I'm saying? It's a job. It's a job. You know, where you can just, you know, learn about God if you're fortunate enough to have good parents, you know what I'm saying? But that's the crazy thing because what, you know, being raised in a church to me, I was blinded to certain things to realize, as I got older, realized that some people don't know God, don't know anything about God. But you know, when you're raised in a church, you think that, oh, everybody know about God. Not everybody go to church, but I just feel that everybody knew about God. But I've met people as I got older who said, I never even saw a Bible in my life. Well, see, we all are a reflection of our parents, you know what I'm saying? And in the generation we in now, you got to think about it. I was raised in church as I'm grown, I don't go, but I still have enough sense to teach my children about God. Exactly. Generation today, if they haven't been raised in church, they're not gonna teach their kids about church and the kids, they ain't even gonna care nothing about that. So when did you start going into like the hip hop music? Yeah, the music. How old were you? I turned 38 in November. No, how old were you when you started? Oh, how old was I when I first started listening to rap music? My first favorite rapper was a woman, DeBrat. Oh, I like her, I love DeBrat. You don't even know what DeBrat was. What was her song called then? Yeah, what's a damn zip code? What you mean the zip code? She used to say that on every, it's the 6-0-0-4-4 through your dope. Yeah, I ain't even yo' about that zip code. All I knew was I had a crush on a stud. Oh, damn! I don't know what a stud was. I was like, man, her brains are pretty, you know what I'm saying? She's pretty. She was dope, though. She was dope. Like DeBrat was, you know what I'm saying? And from there, I started getting into Snoop and Dre and Ice Cube and Menace Society and Boys in the Hood. And I'm just like, yeah, rap music. Man, you. And the funny thing, I did not know back then when I used to love seeing a brat that she was Lisa Ray's sister. Yeah. Did not know that back then. One time she dressed up as a female and she was cute, it was like, damn, I don't remember that. You remember that song with Tyrese? That was my first crush, DeBrat. You know what I'm saying? My first two crushes was DeBrat and Lisa McDowell. Oh, no! That girl Lisa was bad, right? Lisa was bad, man. I have a date with Lisa. I have a date with Lisa. But the man looking at it like whatever. Man, so, you know, when I look at Houston, man, the sound down there, it was a different time when I came up. It was a, I'm gonna come down. But even before that, you know, even with Scarface, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was technical. And it was, you might can be okay if somebody died cause you could listen to Scarface and it'll get you through. You know what I mean? Yeah, real, but then it seems that your music and the way your punch is and the way your sound is is different from others in Houston. The traditional sound. So how did you even come into this developing a different sound in, you know, I'm into it now. I went in. I'm gonna tell you that's a good question though. Cause I'm from the North at Swish House. You know what I'm saying? I didn't came down the whole, the traditional flow, but I'm a beat nigga. I love the beats. So I'm very Memphis influenced. I love Memphis hip hop. My favorite rap group of all time is Three Six Mafia. You know what I'm saying? So with a normal Houston kid, the message he would have got from Lil Kiki, I got that same message from Project Pat. You know what I'm saying? So saying that first, I don't, you know what I'm saying? I don't drink a smoke. Okay. Never did? Never did, never tried it. Really? You know what I'm saying? So just like my brother, young niggas squares. In a city. I come into you for that. You know what, I'm just like. I'm just like. Back in the days, man, I'd have gave you some bubblegum out of the lamp, out of the lamp. Hey, but niggas tried that though. He don't even want to weed runs. And when I ate it, everybody was laughing and shit. And I'm like, what the fuck's so funny, man? It was weed running everybody left. I really wanted to fight about it. I was mad. But I didn't even get high. Must not have been a good one. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, you know, so I don't drink a smoke. So in a city where everything is slow, I'm not only one with energy. So I'm not coming done. I'm not, I love it though. That's how I culture this. I love it. But that's not me. I like Memphis shit. And I'm getting fucked up. I love my H-tion niggas too. All these niggas on the wall ain't not been to my house. Them shots of the OGs. That's our identity, you know? But that never was my, I just started meeting the OGs of my sound two years ago. People like Ludacris. Okay. And you know what I'm saying? Like people like Ludacris and two chains and you know what I'm saying? Juicy J is like my partner. You know what I'm saying? That's my idol. That's who I want to be like still. You know, Juicy J. So let me ask you this. Hold on before you go any further. Yeah. When a busy mom chunked that mic over there at him, did you feel a type of way? He's like, what the hell? What's crazy is if I would have been there, I'd have been fighting with them. Cause that's how you don't play about them. That's how I ride like Gangsta Boo. That's like my big sis. Like she was like, it would have been, I'd have been outside with her. It would have been bad. It'd have been just like that with them. I'd have been fighting with them. Whatever went down, you was going to be down with it. Cause that's my favorite rap group. That's real. You know what I'm saying? Like it, I probably, my thing is if busy throwing the mic, I'm not going to just hop in some shit that ain't my business. But soon as some niggas would have tried to punch Juicy J, I would have, it'd have been a Texas nigga. Yes, ma'am. That's my favorite rapper of all time. You know, I feel like I'm fighting my idol in front of me. Well, you know already, you know Flip was over there with him, right? Yeah, but yeah. Shout out to Flip. That's my nigga, man. I'm tripping, right? Flip, man. What makes them your favorite rappers? Why? What is it that's good about them? I think I just related to them at a time where I was turned into a teenager. You know what I'm saying? When I was 16, it hit me what I finally wanted to do with the rest of my life. And that's make beats. You did it, man. Yeah, that's heavy. Yeah, because beats out of everything else out of rapping and just beats. Well see, I was a rapper first. I started making beats because that motherfuckers cost too much. And I was like, I'm broke. I don't have any money. Let me just start making my own beats. You know what I'm saying? Making my own motherfucking beats. And my mama bought me this cheap ass keyboard, this Casio keyboard, but it had a sequence on it. And I was able to make loops and it'll keep playing back over and over again. I can just add more and more to it. So I'll start making beats around that time because I'm listening to Sippin' on some scissors and UGK in three, six. And I'm glad you just said that. This is when I started realizing this is how I'm gonna fit in with society. This is what I'm gonna do with my life. I'm making beats. Did you get to meet Pimp? I never got to meet him. Never. I turned up right after he passed away. But just talking to his wife, like, Shanara, she was like, man, Pimp would've loved your goofy ass. Y'all both are filthy. Y'all both make beats. Like, he would've loved you. But unbeat tell me that. You know what I'm saying? But Shanara really tell me. And I met Pimp mom, no. I met her. She was real cool, real nice and sweet to me. I met his mom, no. She was cool to sell. That's good. I never met Pimp, though. I wish I coulda, though. That had been a song. Well, you know, that's my favorite artist, man. That's my favorite all-time, man. That had been a song right there. He was just, the way he did music was different, too. It had a different feel to it than what the traditional sound was. And that's what made me like him back in the days. When I grew up, you know, when you're younger, my first song I ever heard from them was Tell Me Something Good. I probably was in the first grade or some shit. Listened to that on a Walkman. And I just, I loved that song. And when I grew up, I didn't realize that he made the beats. I was like, well, he was making them beats, bud. Yeah. I was like, damn. I'm like, so that's, he's singing the hooks? Cause I ain't no hero. That was him singing them, too. You know what I'm saying? That was, I'm saying, I didn't know that. You know, so yeah. You know, R.R. Peter Pimp, man. Straight up. Man, you got the same story cause I was at the Dangerfield track when I heard Tell Me Something Good. And that's my favorite song. Tell Me Something Good. So that was the one that turned me up. Like. My favorite one is Diamonds and Wood. Man, that'll come in a second. That'll come in a second. That beat, it's all acoustic. It's no keyboard sounds in there. It's all guitars. It's all somebody's hands making everything you hear on that beat. And then Pimp just come on there with it. That singing ass hook. Yeah, yeah. You know, so that beat like that. Still, ain't that shit he talking about? Like he on there talking about some real shit. You know what? Let me ask you about the relationship that Pimp had with, with the triple six. Like, I know that they was real close, man. And they was close before you was able to meet either one of them. Oh yeah, I heard they was gonna make an album called Underground Mafia. It just ain't have enough time to do it. But that would have been crazy. It would have been crazy. This is the thought of it. That would have been crazy. A bunch of sipping on scissors. Man, I loved it. That's all I know, man. And that boy, I think, what, Pat, he down there with, Project Pat. Yeah, he on one of them pictures down there. I met him, man. Dope dude, man. That's the homie. I love his spirit. He was a good guy. So still a good, great guy. I love to get him on the show. He was, he's speaking at the prison tonight. Shit like they don't do the rap so much. He's more on his pastor thing now. Yeah, and DJ Paul. Yeah, that's the homie, too. I talked to him. I just did a beat for him. You know what I'm saying? So he dropped me him in two short. That's gonna be crazy. I ain't met two short. Yeah, I was like, that's a bet. What? I ain't met a short dog, man. I met, man. I love short shots. Short used to shoot that pool back in the day. You know, I met him, but I ain't met him. You know how you met somebody who's as high and passing, but can't really have no conversation. You know what I'm saying? I ain't met him, met him yet. When we were young, he used to come down and met him in Dallas at Lakeside. And he would shoot pool with people. Just random, like people that was in the club. That was real fast. I had a show with him in 2011 at Langston College in Oklahoma. It was a homecoming. And I remember they had us both booked. It was me and him on the same thing. And they had him headlining. And I remember feeling away about that. It was 2011. And I'm a new artist. I'm like, man, why they got this nigga headlining? I'm club guard. Like, what the hell, I said, I went up there, I killed it. And then when he went up there, he demolished it. And I learned, God say, man, I'm gonna play with these old niggas, man. These old niggas will always pitch in your place. Don't be acting like a bitch. Don't play with these old niggas right there. Turned that old up, didn't he? Let me sit in my young ass fucking and I learned something, you know what I'm saying? But that's real respect for you, even a stand-up. Because you a learner. You got a, man, I'm going on year 14 next year. You know what I'm saying? That's dope. Like, I had just did an interview before we came here. And it was like, how old are you? I said, I'm a fan of Serent 38. Like, damn, I'll say if I came out when I was 25, though, with Dippin' Low Crush, all that. My first hit was with Candy Red. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was an 09. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's good stuff. So I've been outside, man. Man, I just, I love the way you get down, man, with that music, your beats is stupid. I want to know about the beats, though, because you have the air for beats. So out of all the songs, like, have you ever just turned the radio on or hear a song and the beats is like, like this amazed you, like the way in which the composition of the beat was? Oh, yeah. Which song was that that stood out to you out of everything you've heard? A beat that amazed me. I'll tell you man, then you tell me yours. And I didn't even know beat type dude, but I got more. Okay, what is it? It's a lot of, I couldn't just- The canvas name one? The one that you- It would have to be something from Timberland. Really? Yeah, that would be- Like, it had to be something from Timberland. I think it was like that second Missy album, that genuine second that like Timberland is retarded, motherfucker, man, with them beats, man. I can't, there's so much music in my head. I can't just think of one beat like that, but- Is it because they put something together that you would have never imagined them putting together? Like, dang. Well, that's how I view music. Like, especially with production and beats. Like, if you, I've been doing it for 20 plus years, so it's like, if I hear a song and I hear the beat, I was in the band, so that's a gift in the curse. When you're in the band, you can't hear music normally no more. Anything you hear, you pick it apart, instrument by instrument. So anytime I hear a song, I can see what you did. I can see what you pressed, I can- But when I can't see what you did, that's when you're good to me. So you sound like my daughter, that's when my daughter said, cause she's in the band. And she'll listen to something and she said, oh, that's the flute, that's the bass, that's the death. And I'm like, huh? When you in the band, it trains your brain, and you just, you can't hear music normally anymore. Like, it's like from the second you joined the band, everything after that music sounds different. Even when you go back and listen, I remember I joined the band in high school, and then I went back and listened to old Bone Thug songs, and I heard shit that I'd never heard when I was younger. And I was like, man, I ain't even hear that come in, that little instrument, you know what I'm saying? So it's like the band, that shit make your ears fucked off. Tell me how you feel about in the club, when Fiti got on there in the club with Dre, did you like that beat? Oh yeah, I love that beat. That beat right there for me was stupid. I didn't know what, I didn't care. I just know I heard the beat before I heard them rap on. They were mixing it on one on six and part, not on one on one. You know what's crazy? Yeah. To me, that beat was hard, but I feel like 50 Cent is what made it special. You think that? I didn't think that. I love that beat before I heard, that's what I'm telling you, I heard the beat before I even, they hadn't even played, you just heard Doom Stoosh. I liked the way it's to beat more than in the club. What? I loved it too. I liked it too. I liked that one too, but not like in the club. Hell no. In the club is a better song than me. No, man, I liked that. That beat was hard though too. That beat was different. You ain't heard nothing like that before that beat came out. I liked many men more than in the club. That was good. Yeah, many men beat. Yeah, Dre got Dre different. Dre, not Dre, Dre is. That's why no one could see him in the verses because his family tree is, I tell everybody all the time, the most important person in hip hop is EZE. I agree with that. Without EZE, there's no Dre. I agree with that. And without Dre, it ain't a rap. Well, I don't know. Everybody. Everybody. Damn near. Stop playing. He gets three. You gotta think about how many success stories come from this tree. I can't agree with that, man. You got to go all the way back. Come on. Oh no, it took me too. I respect K.R.S.1 and I respect the whole New York side. K.R.S.1, public enemy. But you got to say, yeah, Eric B. and Rockham. Eric B. and Rockham? No, even, but you got to respect, you from Houston, you know the ghetto boys and all that stuff was before that too. But you had to understand. Right along the lines of. Things have been influenced by certain things. Ghetto boys was already there, but with no death row. Where are we in music right now with no death row and no N.W.A.? That was heavy. That's E.Z.E. He found, he put the dope money in the tray and made N.W.O. I said N.W.A. That's wrestling. That's wrestling. N.W.A. And then death row. And then Poc. Poc was already Poc. But that death row Poc was a turnt up young nigga. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just, I tell you it's E.Z.E. Very important nigga, man. We just interviewed Kenya Warren. She gave a lot of stories about E.Z.E. man. Kenya Warren, she was a, says dad's wife. Okay, shout out to dad. Yeah, dad dealing with dad. Yeah, y'all make beats. Yeah, shout out to dad. Yeah, man. And he went to Atlanta. I know you be all down through Atlanta. Yeah, shout out to dad, man. Dad's been having funny ass interviews. Oh yeah, it's funny because when I interviewed Kenya, she had a lot to say. I met dad through gangsta boo. Oh yeah? I want to interview her. Gangsta boo. She just did a hard ass drink challenge. Shout out to my big sis, man. But gangsta boo is shit. If she in Dallas, she'll pull up, that's the only one. That's how I got you on speed, I know. We're in here like, man, sit up. She here all. I tried my best to set it up. That's the big sis for real. No man, you just one of those extraordinary guys, man. You did songs with everybody. For the females that really be banging, man. And it tripped me out. He, you worked with Erica Banks. Yeah. And she out of Dallas, so you gotta mention that. Somebody gotta take her phone these days. Hey, it's going crazy, ain't it? What about, what about, what about this baby? Shout out to Erica though, man. She just, she growing up in front of everybody. And she just making young, young mistakes, you know. And all you gotta do is keep jamming. Man. You keep jamming, then forget about this shit. Yeah, yeah. But the funny thing is that, but the funny thing is that in the beginning of her career, she wasn't doing all of that. So then she was humbling everything night. And then all of a sudden now out of the blue, she's going through the stage. And I'm like, where is this coming from? She's getting money. She's getting money. I couldn't imagine having all the money I have now at 25. It'd be a lot of pregnant bitches around here. It'd be a lot of pregnant bitches around here. It'd be a lot of shot niggas. What'd you say? Get them. Like 25 with that much money like you. I couldn't imagine having the money I have now at 25. I wouldn't mature enough to handle that. And then if you feel a way about something, you're going to tweet it. You're going to make a video about you just young. You just nobody can tell you what to do. Anybody that try to give you any authority, you got more money than them. Why am I listening to you? No, that's real. So do you ever like try to, when you see other artists that you might know doing crazy stuff like social media, do you ever try to like DM them, pick up the phone, call them. It's like, hey, just to give them advice. Hell no. Because that's like the fucking kettle. What do you say? Call the kettle black. Call the kettle. I've done some crazy stupid ass shit. Like I started cucumbers. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you're a cucumber guy. That's when I seen it. I couldn't do that today. They gave me the fuck out of here, you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I tell people you did that day? I started COVID. Like you go in the jail. I started COVID. Don't, right. When I tell people about it might be like, yeah, we got B-King in Texas. Hell, B-King pretty much, but yeah, he started a lot of different stuff. A lot of trends. I knew that shit was crazy when Uncle Luke followed me. What? I was going to ask you about that, because that's who you, basically you bring that energy, that's the type of people you bring. I feel good about it there. People are like, man, no, you're the new Luke. You got the new Uncle Luke. I'm like, no, I think I'm the first club guy. Fuck out of here with that bullshit. It was serious. I was there. I remember showing people shit they ain't seen in like 20 years. That's real. Like girls like, you know, I love black women. My mama was a black woman. I got black daughters, you know what I'm saying? And it is what it is. Like my shows, black women were doing white girl shit. That's white girl shit. Black women don't stand in front of the mirror for two hours and get ready to go out to put a cucumber name off. This is not what's going on, but that's what was going on in my shows. Where did you get inspiration from for that? Man, it's a long story. I'm gonna try to make it short as possible. It was 2017 and I was on tour. And the tour wasn't going well. I went in with a promoter who was a really good promoter in Houston back in the day. So I thought the tour would go good with him if I put him on this tour, but he was good back then. He wasn't good anymore. I didn't know that until we got to all these dates and tickets weren't selling. He wasn't promoting them right. The people who showed up with people who found out about the show from my Instagram, you know what I'm saying? All the dates looked bad and I felt like he was trying to destroy me. I was like, man, I need to find a way to climb out this bullshit. So Papa Ron, he had just did a baby's birthday party or something, it was a pool party or something. He said, bro, I played your song Scream and it's turned up on his own. The whole pool party went crazy. And I'm like, I ain't even putting no money or nothing into that world. Maybe that's just God trying to give me a song. Okay, I said, where's video time? Let's shoot a video. We're gonna shoot it in Dallas. I'm gonna call every nasty bitch I know. Every bitch I fuck, all of them. Call them up, strip us off, I'm gonna fuck. I'm gonna get a high rise apartment downtown and we're gonna shoot that video. And we shooting that video, I'm sitting there on Snapchat recording everything. Documenting it and everything going on. Bitches eating ass, pussy, everything. It was other rappers that ain't gonna say their names but it was going crazy up in there. I look up at the end of the night, my Snapchat has 69K views on it. I ain't never seen a number that big on my Snapchat. I'm like, what the fuck, everybody watching this shit. By the next day, I was trending on Twitter number one in Central America. So I'm like, well, it's time to put this video out. We put the video out, I get 100K views in a day. That's the first time I've ever done that. I never got a video with 100K views in one day. I was like, well, I got a hit. In the video, I had girls sucking cucumbers, eggplants, any dick shaped object, a remote, anything I could find to put in the bitch mouth. We was puttin' in the bitch mouth. Wow. So that you wouldn't get, that was smart in a way. I was just tryin' to find it. So you wouldn't get flagged. So you wouldn't get flagged. I was just tryin' to top-tip drill. That's hard to do. It's not easy. That's not easy for any of that. Although it wasn't the real thing. I had to learn, I'ma get there, I'ma get there, I'ma get there. I'm sayin' now, when the video came out, it was crazy. Cause nobody had ever saw a girl suck cucumbers and shit like that. A banana here and there. Not a cucumber. Not a cucumber. So I'm like, well, how can I bring this video to my fans on the road? I just bring the cucumbers from that video to my shows. And the first day I did it, academics posted it, 50 cent posted it in Caleen. Wow. 50 cent posted it, academics posted it. Baller alert, all the blogs posted it. I said, oh, shit. Got you. For my next show, I said, let me do it again. And then academics posted it again, and all the blogs posted it. I said, man, I found me something. This been a turn me up like a motherfucker. That's real. You know what I'm sayin'? And it turned me up. That whole disgusting Justin character, I still believe in that. I thought it was like a comic book character. I made my hair green to match with the green emojis and the cucumbers and all that. I made money off that whole little disgusting Justin arrow. But I learned from that, that it's not the 90s. It's not the 90s anymore. And I got banned in a lot of states in the Bible area because my shows were too freaky. Wow. You know what I'm sayin'? Every time I would do a show somewhere, that city would be destroyed on Facebook the next day. You know what I'm sayin'? So a lot of mayors and stuff in those counties and stuff like they weren't feeling that. They weren't trying to let me come back. It was a spot in Arkansas, I couldn't come back. City in Arkansas, I couldn't come back. Permanently? Or if you change it. It's probably, I can't come now. Yeah, I was about to say it. But back then, no, not no more. They're thinking about their daughter. Yeah. They're thinking about their daughter. You know what I'm sayin'? So when that was happening and I was so into that character trying to be like the freakiest rapper out. And that wasn't you? I'm a freaky, I can't fake it for 13 years. You know what I'm sayin'? I was on the verge of porn. And I realized when you walk in that line, you can't go up, you know what I'm sayin'? Because once you showin' bitches fuckin' and shit, where else can you go now? You know what I'm sayin'? You have to keep a certain taboo-ness. You can't just be throwin' it out there like that a million times. People get used to seein' it. And I used to get a kick out of puttin' shit on Instagram that don't belong on Instagram. People like, man, just start you a porn hub and put that shit on. I'm like, no, I wanna put it where it don't belong. Yeah, that's real. How come your page never got took? It almost did a couple times, you know what I'm sayin'? They emailed you? Yeah, but see, I had that, when did I get that check? I got that blue, and when you got a blue check to give you more chances. Did they take your blue check? No, they won't, they just take your page. No, I had a guy on here that said they took his blue check. Well, yeah, you know, I think they take blue checks all the way out over here. I think they take blue checks away when you go through a certain portal to get your blue check, and whoever you went through, they don't fuck with him no more. So they like, nigga, all your blue checks you gave, I'm probably a fraudulent. Let's take them all away. Wow. That you gave up. It's kinda like if a cop put somebody in jail, he ain't do nothin'. Now, we gotta go back and look at all your cases. Exactly. You know what I'm sayin'? So that's probably what happens with that. Yeah. How hard was it for you to change from that cucumber person to trying to do a different kind of music? Yeah, that's the question I had too. Well, I'm a... He still go, he doin' behind the scenes. Oh, no, no. I ain't, Columbia dropped me. I was never like, man, what the fuck? We about there, I'm about there, you about there. You put cucumbers in these women's mouth today, you know what I'm sayin'? But no, man, it was, I realized that I can never hit the next level because you two were flagged the fuck out of my videos. Right, I understand that, but people, they were expecting that, they were looking for that, so for you to try to change the image and present something new, you know some people were like, oh, well, that's not... I'm gonna tell you what it was. I'm gonna tell you exactly what it was. Now it's hit me when everybody started doin' it. Once Boosie and them. Yeah, yeah. And Trouble and them. I got, or this name Trouble too. Yeah. But once they did it at his house that time with Alexa Sky and all that, I was like, well, it's not just mine anymore now. Everyone is doin' it. And I look at myself as an innovator. So once everybody start doin' it, it's time for me to move on to somethin' else. So. You know what I'm sayin'? So when they did it, it became a fad. And I was like, all right, well, I'm done with that. And I made my hair back black and I put out a song about head hold. It did good originally. And then the world closed down. It was the pandemic. You know what I'm sayin'? And when that happened, everything was all fucked up. You couldn't tell nobody in January that the world was gonna close down like that. You know what I'm sayin'? I made that song, Then Leave. And during the pandemic, a 15-year-old girl from Dallas. 15. Just turned it up on TikTok. For no reason. It just went dumb. Yeah, that Then Leave was big. It was huge, man. I sent her a lot of money, too. When she did it. Yeah, I was about to ask, did you get her something? I just sent her like two months to her parents like, nigga, what the fuck? But I sent her like this, let her know, man, you were just bored in your room one day, but you changed my life. Just being bored, being a kid. You know what I'm sayin'? That's real big. So, do you ever make a hit so big that you like, how am I gonna top that? No, because I make beats so, a person like me will never fall off because anything that's goin' on, we can find a way to fit into what's workin'. Decide to change it if we want to. When you make beats, I can listen to anything goin' on, whatever's hot right now, and make my version of it. And you won't even think I got inspired from what was workin' right now, you know what I'm sayin'? I can just make sure I fit in the pocket so I can be in the algorithm and I can, and that's how I've been, you know what I'm sayin'? My audience, for me to be 37, I still got my hand on a pulse of the youth, like college kids and, you know what I'm sayin'? I know how to, I don't look 38, I look 27. Hey. You know what I'm sayin'? I know how to, yeah. Let me ask you this, how did you, it seemed like Ludacris hadn't really been doin' music. How did you get Ludacris to come back out and do music again? Shout out to Luda, you know what I'm sayin'? Yeah. Then Leave was the hottest song in the world. $20, only other song was bigger than that was Wap, Wet Ass Pussy. Yeah, yeah. If it wasn't Wap, it was Then Leave, or Anthro Baby, number three, top three. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? All you heard was me, you know what I'm sayin'? And Ludacris's DJ reached out to me first. He was like, hey man, you know the A-Lud and song, man. Like, Luda wanna meet you. I'm like, Luda who? You go fast and fierce, motherfuckin' word of mouth. God damn, back for the first time. God damn, I'm a Luda fan. You know what I'm sayin'? He's like, yeah, he wanna meet you, man. Next time you in the A-Man, come to the studio. I was like, bet. You know, I've met everybody. I'm a Houston nigga. You know, I don't get star-struck. I done met God damn me and Drake, our friends. God damn, I've met everybody. But when you met Luda, you was star-struck. I went into fan mode. Cause I was tryin' to play cool. When he walked in, motherfuckin', oh man, Luda. We met that big head on that one video, man. Big head when you were at. Cause my videos aren't normal. He's crazy. You know what I'm sayin'? I always have some costume or something in my later videos now. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, I try to, I can't just get an Airbnb and just have a bunch of strippers in there. It's shit-born. You gotta do more things. And he was one of those people, him and Busta Rhymes and Missy Elliott, the whole Hype Williams era. Like, you know, so when he got there, he was just choppin' it up, man. I was just sellin' him songs I like, songs I don't like about him. Shit, I wish he would do. You need to get back with, get back with Bangladesh. And then you go, I got him a beast from him. And he was like, nigga, you know what I'm sayin'? But I was in fan mode, just talkin' to him like he's a normal person, man. But they need to hear that. They need to. You know what I'm sayin'? I feel every artist, you need to have people around you who can remind you of the era that they fell in love with you. That's real. You know what I'm sayin'? Because you live in your life. You weren't about the next chapter. But let them remind you who you is so you can take that into your new shit. You know what I'm sayin'? But Luda, he cool, nigga, man. After we had met, I played him a bunch of beats and shit. And I was like a map remade one of your songs, man. Pussy poppin'. I said to him, he just hopped on that motherfucker. I was like, nigga. Because Luda don't let people remake his music like that. I'm probably the first artist he let do it. Then he let Suki do it later. And he just let DreamDaw do it recently, with her new song. But Luda don't play that. Luda just don't let niggas just remake his songs like that. You know what I'm sayin'? So yeah, man. That song came out. The Fast & Furious movie came out in the same week. I got free promo and everything. You know what I'm sayin'? Damn it. That's real. That's real. Fast & Furious have a lot of fans. Yeah, yeah. I'd open you up to a wide range of different people that's looking at you. Luda inspired me because he make a different kind of money. Like I'm rich too, but he's rich. Rich. Do you want to go into film? Yeah. What kind of film? I'm a damn fool. I'd say probably comedies. Comedies or anything with a script is cool, man. Because I do something serious too. Like, I switch it up. So your personality is more of a comedian? I'll say, yeah. Yeah, that's my brand. You can't do the romance? I can do that too. I can do that too. You better be able to be a comedian, yeah. I can do that. I always go back to Baby Boy. You never thought to do it from a smart guy could have played that role with Tyrese like that. Yeah, I was a whole gangsta. He was a whole gangsta. And you believed it. You know what I'm saying? So I can step into that. I really like acting, you know what I'm saying? Have you been in anything yet? No. It's a lot of people, they hit me about shit. That new show on Netflix called Mode. OK, so why haven't you done it? I didn't. You know, it's crazy if my manager turned it down and she ain't even talked to me about it because she knew I wouldn't going to do it. And you weren't? And I probably wouldn't. Them just explained it to me. A show called Most City. I'm a North Side Nigger. Don't make sense. I'm from the North. The show is about the South. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it was kind of geared toward a white style of comedy. Yeah. Not the hood, nigga shit. You know what I'm saying? And when I saw it, I was like, man, now this is a dope show. And it would have been dope to be on there. You know what I'm saying? They show you versatility if you can place it right. Versatility. Always trying to hang with the niggas. You know what I'm saying? And it could have been, you know what I'm saying? So I got my manager hitting up about the second season. Let me ask you this, man. You and Houston, man. You dope. I mean, I've been dealing with a lot of Houston cats since I've been doing this. And all of y'all live, man. I can say Lil' Kiki, ESG, DJ Cho, all the different people, man. And I ask about verses. That's my thing. You know what I'm saying? That was my next question. But you know, I'm the only one saying it up. I'm the only one saying this up, man. I'm the only one. I don't care what you're going to do with it. You don't even know what it is. I'm just going to grab the whole set, man. Let's get right here. Nah. Yeah, this verse is, this thing right here, I asked ESG about going up against Lil' Flip. He said he would win. Because he said he's the priest. He said he's the freestyle God. You know, and then I turned around and asked, who was the next one I asked? Kiki. Kiki. I asked Kiki about who did you put him against then. Since you so want to be up on my verses. Did you put him against Flip? No, I did not. I put him against Slim Thug, which is from your side of town, right? And then. No, no, ask me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kinda. Yeah, we both know. Okay. I don't know. You know what I know, man. But then I asked DJ Chose, and when I asked DJ Chose, I put him against Sauce Walker first. He brought up beat King's name, like he wanted that smoke. And DJ Khaled. You know what I'm saying? And he brought up DJ Khaled. He said he's so big, he probably would have went toward the DJ Khaled thing. So I'm just asking you, cause he brought you up in this situation, cause I guess he felt like you was the competition. No, because he said a lot of people put him up against him. That's what he said. Who do you, do you think you could win? Him in front of that. Him in front of that. Who do you think will win in the versus between you and DJ Chose? And how would you win? Y'all both got music. Hey man, you know what? I'm not gonna say how I would win, but I'm gonna say I know my catalog for the last 13 years. And I know my stage presence as well. Have y'all seen my shows? They're amazing. Are they crazy? I know my stage. I know how loud my voice can get, how I project on stage. I know how funny I am too. So I'm not gonna say who will win. All I'm gonna say is I'm a bad motherfucker. That's it, man. Like I said, man. I know what I have to. I know, I would just keep hitting it. Shit you forgot about it. You'd be like, oh, oh, shit. Oh, like the people I can bring out on stage with me, the... The way it's gonna come through is gonna come down. Like I'll just bring Ludacris, I'm like, what? You know what I'm saying? Like bring Two Chain Money Bag, y'all. I could, well, like I say, man. It's gonna be hell, you know, cause it's a lot of stuff going on there with Chose too now. You know, he got a lot of big songs. Hey man, hey man. Hey man, shout, shout out to Big Chose, you know. Who have you not worked with yet that you would love to work with? Drake. But y'all a partner, so why you ain't work with him yet? We got to find the right song, the right song at the right time. You know what I'm saying? Cause my thing is with Drake, I know people hit him all the time. Hey man, please do this verse. Please save my life this shit, please, please, please. And every time we hang with this, be chilling. Just be chilling. I'm not finna be one of them niggas. Drake, please, please. Let me ask you to tell him, is his memory good? Like if he got on the stage with somebody 10 years ago, do you think he would remember him? Or he would, if it was a big group or a group that was with Lil Wayne, had a song with Lil Wayne. I'm son of a nation in the world. No. That's what I heard last night. I know. What is this nigga that forget about people like that? Man, I know, I can attest to myself. I meet a lot of people every week of my life. Okay. You know, so I'm pretty sure Drake meets way more people. You know, so if it's not a real relationship, music or something where, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not gonna just remember everybody from 10 years ago. So Drake, can you stop talking today? Yeah. Drake. You ain't talking to him no more. Drake, we've been cool for like two or three years. So he's gonna remember me, you know what I'm saying? He's gonna remember me? Because like, Drake is a type of nigga just from my short time knowing him. It's clean cut as he is. He like ratchet that shit. Yeah, yeah. Well, he gonna remember you for damn show. He gonna remember you. You done did some song. When we be talking and shit, it'd be like four or five in the morning. Like, I don't know where he be in the globe, on the globe, whatever, but he be up at five, like it's five PM. You know what I'm saying? Drake like a lot of hood, ratchet ass shit. You know what I'm saying? And so it's no way you can follow me for three years on Instagram and forget me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a little older now. You know what I'm saying? I'm chill now, but Drake like ratchet shit, man. Straight up. That's real, man. So how did you land your deal with Columbia? Like, how did that go? How did that whole thing happen? Tick tock? Really? Motherfucking tick tock, man. You didn't need to get on a tick tock. Me and Kirk called. We had this conversation a couple of years ago. We was like, man, all this shit wasn't around. We had our first explosion. Like when we came out in 2010, my space was dying and Facebook was kind of, Twitter was in its baby stages. You know what I'm saying? But we didn't have, like I think the first song that blew up on social media in that era was Flick of the Wrist on Vine. Mine turned up Flick of the Wrist. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, we didn't have all that. You know what I'm saying? But I had been me for 10 years already. But when that didn't leave came out and you know, that girl, her name, Boojite on tick tock. Let me shout out. Boojite? Boojite, she probably like, she probably grown now. Shit, you know what I'm saying? But she made it when she was like 15 years old when she did it. The video that didn't leave, it went viral. But yeah, man, when they started blowing up, going crazy and all the labels, to me, that meant more to me than all the money I have now. That bidding war for a week and a half, a week and a half of every label in the game trying to give me them Ems. And I was just like, I couldn't get no sleep. Yeah, I know. I was just thinking about it all night. What on? Okay, Republic talking about. Yeah, that's a good way to go. Okay, but Columbia talking about it. Okay, but Capitol and Atlantic talking about, you know what I'm saying? In a scope talk, you know what I'm saying? Like all of them was because when it finally popped off, all the labels had already knew who I was because of my track record over the years. Like I've been on the radio and all these major markets for the last 10 years and they like his track record. If we sign them, he won't fall off. He don't do drugs. That's real. He can make hits for everybody in the building. He can make beats, he do all that, you know? So, you know, I tell artists all the time, man, whatever label is offering you, this is the fuck though, shit. Tell them other niggas that shit. Be like, look, man, I really appreciate your offer, but they trying to give me this. What you trying to do? Yeah, that's being, you know what I'm saying? And I did that because, who was it? It was Warner Brothers. Columbia had offered me a number and then Warner Brothers came with a whole bigger number. And I was like, all right, Batman. Warner Brothers, man, Batman, they over there trying to, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit. So I told Columbia because I liked our conversation with Columbia. The A&R at Columbia, he was from Dallas and he lived in New York the last 10 years. He said, bro, he said, I want you at Columbia, his name KC, still fuck with him. He said, bro, I want you over here at Columbia. He said, because when I was in high school, we was jigging and everything in high school to your music. 10 years later, you are still that nigga. Wow, that's dope, that's dope. I want you, Columbia was the only label asked me, all right, so what's the next song? What's the next single you plan to drop? What's the album? What's the? To me, it just seemed like a better choice. So I went with them and the bag was bigger over there. Wow. So yeah, and we still rocking, new music coming out. While I wait on this verse right now, I can't really speak on it, but it's definitely coming. It's coming, dude. I'm gonna ask you about just, how's you and Sauce Walker's relationship these days? Shit, we don't have a relationship. I mean- Do y'all talk, y'all do music? You ain't used to, most people think, I'm being real when you're from the outside, I'm looking in, you like, you still over there, and Bun B, and yeah, you, B, King, Sauce, all y'all come together. We all in the city. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all in the city. But it's bigger than what you think. Yeah, with me and him, man, ain't no relationship, we all, ain't no beef either, though. We've been in the same spots, we was just at the sneak of something. No, no. Yeah, you know, but I wouldn't say it's a relationship. Yeah, it's a big, it's, hey, what is the fourth biggest city? Shit, Dallas, y'all, come to Radio, y'all like the number four market. Of course, but I'm talking about four size markets, y'all got that size over there. I feel like Houston and Dallas about even. No, no, not in, man, no. I feel like y'all, we the same size. Hell no, no. I feel like, man, Houston. You better look it up, look it up. Dallas, Houston. Hell no, Houston is the fourth biggest in the United States. Well shit, we the biggest, I don't win it. I'm being real, I know, cause I drive it home. I feel like, I drive this mother-in-law. No, I drive Houston, and it's like forever. Nigga, I feel like Dallas, you ain't been a motherfucker. I guarantee you, Dallas is a circle. You can't count McKinney, that's different, man. It says Houston is large in the Dallas. Yeah, it's Houston and big as hell. I never knew that, though. You didn't? I never knew that. It's huge. Hey, Houston big than a motherfucker. It's the fifth largest city in the United States. So what Dallas is, it's like being Dallas. Dallas way smaller than that. Houston big, man, y'all got it going on. No, Houston big than a motherfucker. Yeah, I think, like I said, when I think about you, though, and just the way that you, you have your own lane, man. Nigga, you know, you got these new audiences. Let's talk about this for a minute, you know, Talamisha, and give me his name again, cause he's sitting right here. That's Trouble Fam Psycho. Trouble Fam Psycho. Big, big boy. That's a crazy name. That nigga, that nigga. I said, bruh, shorten that shit, man. I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm nervous about it. But see, Trouble Fam is a real. Trouble Fam. That's a real, clickin' organization. So he was like, now I'm standing on that, and my name is Psycho. Damn. It's like ASAP Rocky and NBA and more, you know, so it's like, I like, I respect it, you know. So how did y'all, like, I'm gonna ask him some questions, but just how do you pick who, cause everybody wants to be a part of what you got going on. You, in a pocket, really, the word, you buy yourself. I'm being real. Yeah. Around the people that you around, and the sound that you bring in. How do, how did you pick who you would have on this team with you? Well, I've been helping artists my whole career, but it's only been females. It's females though. And like, like the girl that's on, the then leave song on the hook, that's the same girl from Yeen, about that life, y'all, same girl. So I've been helping women my whole career. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, he go hard as hell. Oh yeah. Let me try to help a dude. You know what I'm saying? It's a challenge for me, and I like helping people. You know what I'm saying? Like, it ain't no fun if you just up here by yourself, like, yeah, I got all this money, man. It's, yeah. It's lonely at the top. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So I like to help people, man. I took that page out of Gucci book. That's real. He's helped so many people. He's immortalized in Atlanta. Like, he's so many people from history. Young Thug, Gunna, maybe, the Migos. All of them. And it's all because of Gucci. How many artists have you ever had before? Like, since you started, you know, helping artists? I'd say probably about five or six. Some of them didn't work out. Some of them did, yeah. I used to have a female from Beaumont, Big J. My girl, Talamisha, you know what I'm saying? And what's the thing you've learned the most from the ones that you've lost? Keep it professional. That's a good thing. Gotta keep it professional. Keep it professional. Keep it professional. But that's hard when you're trying to be, I'm say friends or crossing over into relationships because we've had, I think Johnny came on here, Johnny and MD, and he's like, it's hard to have a female artist and not get involved with them because if you don't get involved then you have to worry about the boyfriend when they do get involved with somebody else. It's hard. Trying to get into their head and get them distracted and all of that other stuff. You know, not to, you know, cause I know women hate this. Gonna say. But women are a little emotional. Oh, they know that. Yeah. That's what it is. Hell, these niggas is to though. You're them right there y'all. You know what I'm saying? Women are emotional, you know what I'm saying? And you know, for the most part, man, some guy gotta be in her life to keep that shit balanced. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be the manager or the boyfriend or something. But the boyfriend or manager might not be, they might bump heads. They might not be on the same accord. Man, you know, at the end of the day, man, I tell any artist, girl, guy, whatever, if you're gonna link up with a manager, make sure they can at least do for themselves what they're trying to do for you. If they can't get their self in clubs or they can't get their self interviews to start making sure they can't do, how can they do it for you? Exactly. You know what I'm saying? A woman will listen to a guy and let him lead if she really believe what the fuck he's saying and it's making sense. She's gonna be like, you know what the fuck he's talking about. I gotta ask him about, you did a song with Exo, she does our intro song. Exo, I was talking about the uh, from uh, you said she did the shit. That's our intro song, you heard that? Me and her go back to 2010. Yeah, yeah, I had to, I gotta show some love because everybody love that intro song. Like, you ever heard to think about it in Boss Talk? That's how it was, man. You come out here and be like, dang, who is that? Call us, everybody, man. Listen to Exo from back in the day. Well, she was hard, she used to rap really hard back in the day. It snatched some of the fuck out of her head, man. God, she lied. Man, I had to show some love, man, because I definitely love that intro, the intro, she go hard, wouldn't everybody love it, man. It was, that was it, I think, I think that was it with anything else? Oh, you do, you have a hit every year. Been 10, every year you got a, how do you stay so consistent, bro? I was thinking about it. I love it, I love doing this shit, man. I like having a new song all the time. It never gets old hearing a new song on the radio. They play a song in the club and everybody, oh, as soon as it dropped, like I get something out of that. You know what I'm saying? So it's plus always seeing new younger artists that inspires me. I like to compete. I hear them and be like, yeah, I think you take that shit hard, huh? I ain't bad. So I can come back, you know what I'm saying? Okay. Yeah, just like how you said earlier. Yeah, just like how you said earlier, that sometimes whenever you, Yeah, I'm gonna say that boy and show you, go ahead. Sometimes whenever, you know, you have a hot song right now and you make your money and everybody love you. And then come next year, they're playing that hot guy song and not playing yours. How do you, just like what you said, how do they keep playing yours? Cause you can tell them the secret to it because a lot of people are not getting played like that. I just really know how to stay with the youth. Like I know how to connect with the youth. You know what I'm saying? Hip hop is a young man's sport. You know what I'm saying? And I think when you get older, the thoughts don't stop. The lyrics don't stop coming to your head. Just cause you 50, you still gonna be a cleaner house freestyling and shitting your head. So just cause you 50, don't mean you gotta quit, but I think you have to, I make beats. I think that's how I do it. It's weird. I just know how to- I hate to ask him this. I know how to make a ratchet hoe pop that pussy, man. I just know how to do that. I'm real good at that. Have you ever made a beat for other genre of music outside of hip hop? Not, I don't have any hits in other genres, but like me and my girl recently, like when Drake dropped his surprise album, and it was real, I fuck with this, y'all love 90s house music. You know what I'm saying? Like Crystal Waters and you know what I'm saying? What's the other girl? I can't think of her name right now. Finally, it's happened to me. I can't think of her name. But you know, so I love that shit back in the day, man. I don't know, don't know, don't know. That was a different time. Yeah, so when Drake dropped his shit and then Beyonce dropped her, you can't take my song, can't break my, I was like, man, this shit hard. So me and my girl were just playing, I made a little quick beat in five minutes, and put some chords in there. And we just went in the living room, we just did some goofy shit, went to show you the room the same day. Man. I was like, all right, what's shit? So you're thinking about branching out? In Columbia, like, hey, what's this? They said, give us that. They put that shit on the plate, on the DSPs, by the bottom, all that. You know what I'm saying? So like, I can do all genres. Like I'm cut from the 90s. Listen. I just stumbled across this club. God, shit on accident. You go hard though. Like I can really rap, I can do all that. It's just, I found out that I was trying too hard. I was like, tell me what you know about me. A, B, C, D, one, two, three. This is what y'all want? This simple shit? Fuck it, I'll be the best club guard y'all've ever seen. I got to talk about the elephant in the room, before you get off. If I don't ask you this, my listeners will not, they won't let me make it. Zero and Trey. You got to, you got to, yeah. You got to talk about that. You from Houston. You say whatever you want to say. You know, you got to tell me the Stan's own, you know, how do this happen with gigantic artists that come from where you from? I can't get in South Side business. Oh, that's a good sound. I can't get in South Side business, but you know, I just say it's very unfortunate. Wow. You know what I'm saying? You know how you go get out of it? My boy was like, whoa, how you go get out of it? When you interview him, you don't speak on it like a mom. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you got to get out of it, you hear? This is a Houston question. You got to know that this is coming when you dealing with an unbiased journalist who just basically, you know, is standing on the outside looking in, right? I'll say this. Me and Trey, we don't have a relationship. I say it's only two rappers in Houston. I just don't have a relationship with it. And it ain't like it's no beef or nothing. It's just we've never been in a space where we got to really get to know each other and meet each other. Trey and Scarface, I just don't know them. Don't know them. You know what I'm saying? They, we just haven't met each other. When we see each other, it's high and passing, you know? But that's it, you know? So, but zero, I have a relationship with zero. That's my nigga. You know, and I just say it and I just wish it didn't happen. Wow. That's all I can say about it. Yeah, I definitely being from Texas and seeing it and looking at outsiders looking at us because this is a culture thing for me. I'm trying to figure out ways to bring that unity. That's what I love about UGK because they wasn't from Houston, but they had a street up there that called Texas Street. So they kind of looked as if, when they said Texas is for everybody and I just felt good about that, breaking all those barriers to where we all come together as one. So I have to ask you this. I'm glad I said that about Dallas and Houston. Why is it so different? And you managed to cross that bridge and make it to where- They all cut you in the mouth for God's sake. Oh, damn! Oh, you gon' get it. Don't talk educated in y'all country. No, I love Dallas to death. It's my second home, man. But it's just for it to only be three hours. It's a very big difference. It's a difference. It's just in our accents. Like, Houston, I think we talk maybe slower. We talk slower. But in Dallas, it's a bunch of her, or the, or over her, I don't know what I'm saying. I don't care. Like, and I only know one of the players that talk like that, St. Louis. It's like Dallas is more country to me. Do you understand demographics though? Like East Texas, you got East Texas, which is from Nagadotius to Texas to Canada. And you was down there a lot. Cause you used to hang out, I forgot to mention Sergeant Jay. You was just Sergeant Jay. Yeah, that's family right there. That's my little brother. So you would tap into that era many, many years ago. Like, how did you end up breaking this algorithm and understanding how the geographic areas, man? How did you do that? It just come from having, like I said, you know what's crazy, man? Like with traditional Houston music, every city has its time. Chicago has its time, had its time. You know, Atlanta, we still living in Atlanta time. You know what I'm saying? But right now Memphis having their time. They definitely are. You know what I'm saying? When Houston had our time, you know what I'm saying? Houston, our sound has always been underground. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't for radio, it wasn't for none of that. When it happened, it was just guard like it's your time. You know what I'm saying? You know, but for the most part, Houston, we don't make traditional commercial music. So when our time was over, the light went away. You know what I'm saying? And with me, I make club music that can work everywhere. No. You know, so it ain't just gonna stay in Texas and be high for six months and go away. When my songs come out, Atlanta gonna play it, Memphis gonna play it, Houston, the whole Texas gonna play it, Louisiana gonna play it, Florida gonna play it. You know what I'm saying? So I never really had those obstacles. Like most Texas artists have a lot of Texas artists, man. Like the songs will come out and they'll be hot in our region. Then it hit that glass ceiling and then it goes away. You know what I'm saying? And my songs, they always have went everywhere. Just people didn't know they were my songs. Like before they leave came out, my song could come on in Florida. The whole club go crazy, throw that at that. I could be standing right there. They have no idea it's my song. You know what I'm saying? But when then leave came out, that's when everybody found out who I was and what I look like and all that, you know? But to answer your question, my music has always made me stand out. Oh, they just stand out. Houston, that traditional Houston sound. What? It's when you from Houston and you make that sound, it's expected. People don't chat. Slump Thug make a whole Houston album right now and his fans are gonna love it, but they won't champion it as much out of town. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Asap Rocky makes Houston music like he was doing. People say, oh my God, what is this new sound? This is dope. It's just, it's Houston music from out of town. Wow. You know what I'm saying? That's all it is, man. You know, so I've always stood out because I had the most energy in the city where everybody was on that serve. Did you? I know, we almost go one day. When you go, what would you like everybody? How would you like everybody to remember you as? That's heavy. Shit. I put Houston music, I put Houston hip hop on a Molly. That's what I did. Because before me, it wasn't no club energy. Everybody was still swinging and coming down. And I was the first one like, pop that pussy. Pimp C and UGK did it too, but they did it because they liked them ghetto ass hoes and they did it here and there. I was the first one like, hey, pop that pussy all night. That's all I wanna do. Yeah, like all night. Man. And then after that, you know, you had the Megans and the Kindermans and the, you know, the Flickrists and all the energetic music coming out of Houston. The energy wasn't there. Back in 2010, it was just me. Top three artists of all time that are alive. Annie John. Whoa. Top three artists of all time. I like the book. You like the guy out here that said after this, give me my three. Annie Johnma. Well, we know just today. I ain't gonna do that. Yeah, you got to that. I just recently lost 15 pounds on up in my city area. Yeah, 15 pounds. All right, that's dope. I was just listening to Ready to Die the other day. So I'm definitely gonna say Biggie. Biggie number one. Biggie and pop just cause I'm a big 90s. Number one and two. I'm gonna say that off top. You know what I'm saying? Number three. After Biggie and pop. Let me see if you're gonna say what the traditional everybody says. Let's see what he say. Let's see. Bring it on home. You have to say Jay-Z. Jay-Z, that's not real, that's nuts. I thought you were gonna come with Michael Jackson. Oh, you said, I was gonna be talking about rappers. I said Annie Johnma. Oh, what's your name? I said Annie Johnma. Michael Jackson number one. Okay. Michael Jackson, I have to say Whitney Houston. Number two. And, shit. Eddie Murphy, you trying to say that? No, I'm just fucking with you. I didn't show you. No man. Shit, influential artists of all time. Well, Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston and, shit, a number three, man. This is your favorite artist of all time. My favorite? We have to be Michael Jackson. Number three. Number three. What's the number three? Shit, I don't know. Oh man, number three with, James Brown. Hell no, but James Brown and Goat, don't get it fucked up. I'm in a bad, don't play. Oh no man, I'm gonna answer that number three when I come back. Damn, you ain't right. I don't know who. I'm on Juicy Jay, let's go ahead and play Juicy Jay. I can't throw Juicy Jay next to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson though. So you only ask me for three. You gotta understand Juicy Jay, the only one got Oscar. How about Prince? Yeah, you gotta give it up. I never was the Prince nigga. You weren't? 27 instruments. But now Prince, I liked how freaky he was with them bitches. I liked that shit. You don't understand. That surprised me because the way how he's addressing act, I was like, nah, he don't like women. But you know what they all realize, man, when it comes to these females, man, they like two guys, two guys, and they never gonna stop liking these two guys. The bad boys. One guy is the gangster, the bad boy. And the other guy is the pretty nigga. They don't like to admit that they liked the pretty nigga because he's not as tough as the gangster nigga, but he gon' fuck that bitch too. The gangster nigga and the pretty nigga. They never gon' stop liking them two niggas. So when you see the pretty nigga, like, man, what is this nigga, man? He fuckin' worried about his eyebrows and he will fuck your bitch. Damn it, boy. Because he a pretty nigga and bitches like niggas are pretty. Just as long as you don't think he too pretty, he ain't in a mirror more than 100 shit. Yeah, man. Just as he gon' run off and leave her. Yeah, you know what I'm sayin'? That's what Ken you're where I talk to us about. Shoot. No? Yeah. Check it, man. Hey, man, thank you so much for comin' on the show. Hey, we love you. I told you I'm a big fan. Big King is in the building. Yeah, nigga, boss talkin' fish. I told y'all niggas ain't that way to boost his little girl. Say, I told y'all he comin' home today. You know what I'm sayin'? Check it, man. Hey, man, thank you, man. No problem, no problem, no problem. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, what a boss is talking about.