 I do Kundalini yoga in the morning. Oh, do you with my wife? I have for 20 years, not every day, but I'd say a Third of the time and often for months on end and so and I've learned what that means So, you know when you do those yoga poses. Mm-hmm. That's not yoga That's training for yoga. It's like imagine that you go to a dance studio and they teach you moves That's not dancing Dancing is what you do on the stage after you've written your jokes and yoga is what you do with your body after you've mastered the poses Because it's all spontaneous. And so when my wife and I do Kundalini yoga in the morning It's a series of of flex of flexion exercises and breathing But mostly what it is is so maybe one is rotation of the head Like that and then but you're paying attention. It's like, okay. Oh My back hurts there. Okay. I'll move my head back and forth a little bit relax move my head relax Okay, it doesn't hurt anymore. Oh that hurts. Oh That I explore there. Let that go let that go and you go through your whole body It's like oh, I'm cramped there. Oh that hurts and what's so cool It's like massage, you know if you're hurting and someone massages that the pain goes away What the hell is going on there? facilitation of Circulation removal of toxins from that locale, but also the drawing of your Repairative attention to that spot. Well, yoga is like that. Oh, I'm out of alignment there. Oh I'm out of alignment there. And so what you're doing and this is akin to stacking the chakras Which is the same as a musical experience is imagine that to get that process of Optimal self-revelation right You have to be aligned atoms aligned With the molecules above them the molecules Aligned in the cells the cells it aligned in the musculature the muscles aligned in the body the body aligned with the environment Broadly speaking all stacked up. That's the cosmic tree by the way That's the tree the shaman climb up and down in the psychedelic experience that cosmic tree that unites levels of being We can climb that with our consciousness. We do it all the time You know if you're writing a book you concentrate on the word or the paragraph or the whole chapter You know and when we're conversing I could concentrate on each word or the phrase or the sentence or the context Or I could look around the room up and down these levels of analysis in yoga You're trying to get your body Psychophysiologically aligned so communication between all those levels isn't interfered with unnecessarily and then that opens you up in some sense to the possibility of Speech emanating from the depths that would be one way of thinking about it one of the things that people who do kundalini talk About is that they are able to achieve psychedelic states and psychedelic states that ordinarily are achieved through drugs I have many friends who have done kundalini and for whatever reason I never have But they have said that through it with long-term commitment to practice They can achieve these bizarre states where they have hallucinations. Have you ever had that? No, but I what I would say is that the this process of alignment makes everything into The equivalent of a psychedelic experience like everything because Part of the manifestation of the truth is a consequence of the alignment of these levels It's like that's what we mean when we talk about someone having integrity or being authentic It's like they're the same all the way down and not only that they're where they are completely So not only the aligned internally They're aligned with everything that's happening around them and then and you know this perfectly. Well, it's you're a master at it Because otherwise you wouldn't be where you are The fact that you can focus your attention almost completely on the current conversation means that the conversation becomes deep and That's obviously manifesting itself in a psychedelic way in your existence. It's like what the hell Joe you're you know Who the hell are you? You started this podcast just talking to people zero production value. You don't edit it You talk to people for three hours. Well, what kind of stupid business model is that? That's insane Yeah, and look what's happened Yeah