 And then we're going to ask Frank to speak on, or we're going to give a presentation, or he's going to give a presentation on body cameras now. Let me give you a little bit of context. So body cameras are now the latest and greatest in the world. We are probably the leading city of size in the state of Washington. So I'm wrestling with body cameras every day and actually even as I'm sitting here I'm wrestling with body cameras and I'll tell you about that in a minute. So much of the emphasis on body cameras is really to catch the police doing bad things because we all know that that's what we do. We get up in the morning and we do bad things and we continue to do bad things and I'm obviously being facetious. And so there are very broad perspectives on what should be happening with body cameras. The far left position is that an officer should come to work. They should put on their body camera. Their supervisor should activate the body camera because we can't trust the police officer to do so. And at the end of their shift their supervisor should turn off the body camera. Well think about what you do in the course of your day. You go to the bathroom. You talk to always in a loving manner your significant other. You have conversations with your children always again in a very loving manner. You interact with your boss. You interact with your coworkers. Well that extreme believes that every one of those conversations and every one of those activities in the course of your day because you're a public official are fodder for public release and public disclosure. So as I said in the state of Washington there would be really no ability to protect that. The other extreme is that officers should have discretion personal discretion to turn on or turn off body cameras depending on the circumstance. All well and good until we start to realize on the public side that body cameras record both sides of the interaction both audio and video. So in the state of Washington this is a perplexing problem because as I said we have very broad public records laws. So if you are having a fight with your next door neighbor about the height of the rose bushes in between your property and the police come to your neighbor's house for a heart attack a kid that's out of control whatever the call may be within probably about five days you will have that body camera footage in its entirety and so you get to see the innermost workings of your neighbor's house. Once you have it you have the ability to put it on YouTube. So I'm a proponent I'll just put that out there of body cameras but we are treading on very dangerous waters and we will end up with Supreme Court of the United States cases. It is inevitable. The other problem is human error and last Saturday at about I guess it was about seven o'clock one of my officers shot somebody. Fortunately did not kill the individual and I have to be somewhat careful because it's an ongoing investigation. He failed to activate his body camera. We've only had the body cameras up since September 1st. My conjecture probably is that that was the last thing he was thinking about. He was with a partner they were looking for an individual who had been involved in stalking who had an extensive violent criminal history and the car actually came past them. They ended up hitting the car as a way to stop it. The details as we know them right now was that the individual then tried to hit the officer with the vehicle and that caused him to fire the rounds that he did. One of the articles that I read yesterday when I was flying out here and my wife is part of the language extremely pissed off that I can never let my job go was from a group who was saying this is intolerable. This is unacceptable. We have to hang the police officer for not activating the body camera. He is an outstanding police officer who took action to preserve the safety of the community that he serves and so when I get back I'll be back in the media again Charles because we'll have a little bit of a dialogue. But let me show you this film and then I'll talk a little bit more about it and answer some questions you may have. So that's part of the problem. Body cameras actually it's kind of it's funny. So we're dealing with technology right. And as we all know sometimes technology works and sometimes it doesn't work. Since we've rolled out the camera we have had public forums with an excess of probably about four or five hundred people. We brought them out to the police academy. We've had them wear body body cameras in our interactive simulator. This is actually footage being shown from the body camera. And it's not bad in terms of clarity sake. Later on in the newscast we actually did a demonstration and we do this for the public where you think you're getting a perspective from the body camera because the body camera picks up in real life the noise that's generated and so on and so forth. And it sounds like the person in the demonstration is getting a crack beat out of them. As it turns out there was no violence associated at all with the arrest. But the body camera was picking up the friction on the officers uniform. It was picking up the friction in the contact as they were handcuffing the individual and magnifying it to the point like it. It sounded like the individual in the demo was getting really as I said severely beaten. I think the big thing that I would urge is anybody contemplating body cameras and really it's kind of the theme of the whole presentation is intensive community dialogue. We still think in this business that we know all the answers to everything. And one of the most interesting things that came out of our body camera project was our law legal department said that because of fourth amendment rights and our requirement to do two party consent New York is a one party consent state in Washington you need two party consent that if we went into somebody's home we couldn't activate the body cameras unless we had affirmative consent from them to activate the cameras. So I'm doing a presentation and this woman raises her hand and says well if you come to my house and my husband has beaten me and so now you're responding to a domestic violence call and my husband says don't record the body camera. My interview what are you going to do because clearly I'm going to want the incident recorded my interview recorded my injuries recorded. And so I actually made the decision to have full recording if we get one party consent in the house over the objection of my law department. In another incident in speaking to a victim's advocacy group a woman stood up and we have a great relationship. She's a victim's advocate and she said what do you do with a child sexual abuse case an adult sexual abuse case. What do you do with the victim says don't record the body camp you know the interview. And so there we're giving our officers discretion that if they think that that would prevent the victim from giving us a statement. They're to not use the body cameras. My wife is an attorney and a judge said well I disagree with that I think you should try to record everything because sometimes in those first moments of a critical incident that's where you get your best testimony and so why would you want to lose that. Another issue is persons that are in mental health crisis. And again remember we have to warn you or advise you that we're recording. So if I have somebody on the ledge of a bridge my officer who has a body camera on has to say sir ma'am I am audio and video recording this interaction. Well we have a person in crisis on the bridge. So that has become a real sticking point. I'm giving my officers the discretion to not activate the body camera in that situation. Individuals on the far left are saying they shouldn't have that discretion. They have to record the interaction regardless of the person jumps off the bridge because of the advisement and we exacerbate the crisis. So I would ask you to watch this watch the media conversations watch the conversations that are going to go on here in New York. We are now taking government into the most private areas of your life. We're in your bathrooms. We're in your bedrooms. We're talking to victims at their worst state. And again in the state of Washington just like we did with marijuana we put the body cameras out first and now we're trying to create the laws around them. And it's similar to what we've all talked about about the 911 tapes. It's similar about building buildings in today's day and age and not putting repeaters in there so that radios work. We have to do a much better job on the front end and not always be trying to correct problems after the fact. So we legalize marijuana and now we're trying to figure out how to regulate it. We didn't think about the public health consequences of legalized marijuana. We have body cameras out there but we haven't thought about the privacy right implications because we were so concerned about catching police officers and police officers do some dumb shit. Believe me I've been in this business 30 years I've seen it all. Well I can't say that because every day they do something that I never thought of. I'm wrong when I say that but we have to do a better job. We have to be more thoughtful. We have to be more precise in developing the laws developing the policies and procedures vetting these things with the communities we serve or else we end up with disastrous situations. We're at the end of the day police officers get victimized and victims get even further traumatized because we weren't thoughtful about the process. So I'll shut up because it's between me and lunch. If you have any body camera questions real quick I'll be happy to answer them. You know I keep on thinking about what Steve was saying about you know so many of these births you know these these accidental giving birth at home and I'm thinking of you know you call 911 and the police rush in to help this woman who's giving birth. Who would want that to be a matter of public record and put on YouTube. So I think if there's really a privacy issue and it's I think it's great that this has to be publicized more. There's two sides to every proposal. My question is about people in the public who also videotape on their phone and how does this extend their rights extend or how the rights of their videos extend from what you're talking about. Well it's pretty much a free for all right. You know I had another police shooting it's a whole different part of the country there we shoot a lot of people unfortunately. I'm doing my best to stop that but so we had an incident where a guy had done a series of armed robberies our officers confronted him. I was told when I arrived a few minutes after the shooting that we had negotiated with him on the porch. As it turned out we hadn't negotiated with him on the porch we had negotiated with him through a screen door. Well somebody in the neighborhood had the video of the shooting and before I was even on the scene and it already been put on YouTube. I mean that's that's the problem right is that there is no ability to control much of anything anymore and these things go viral so quickly. And I agree 100 percent with the release of the 911 tapes. I think the country is going to hear just horrific conversations. That's it. That's a very unique circumstance to some degree. The movement now is to get rid of street cameras automated license plate readers. Because that's an intrusion on people's privacy but yet I can walk up with my cell phone and record anything I want and put it on mass media. So this this struggle that we're talking about here in terms of privacy and private rights and what do we do with these very sensitive communications. This will become I think one of the biggest national discussions that we're going to have. Hold on. Are there other jurisdictions that have the body cameras that have already gotten some experience a little more like a year or two years into it. Yeah. And so there are there are a number of big small medium sized departments throughout the country that have them. It is a very much an evolving process regardless of how long you've had them. It's an evolving process around technology. It's evolving process around privacy rights. It's an evolving process around redaction. And the problem will be is that there will never be a national policy because every state is very unique in terms particularly of the privacy piece of it and the redaction requirements. So people that are talking on a global scale and saying well there needs to be a model national policy. There can be it's at some level. But when we get to the privacy issues that's going to go state by state by state. And so it's it's a very difficult thing to deal with. OK great. It's been very thoughtful Frank. We're going to take one last question. We're not done yet. One last question then we'll play the video while people are queuing up for lunch. OK. Yeah thank you. I understand that you're a proponent of body cameras. But oftentimes in a you know controversial incidents there's like a recording from like you said a private you know citizen or something like that. And arguments always made that you know perhaps there was creative recording you know they you know it's it's different angles because you know you're not as close and that can also be an issue. So you know I can see how body cameras can also help give that you know a more direct perception of what actually is going on. I do see the privacy issues. But what would you offer a suggestion to counter that because I mean people are still going to there's nothing that's going to stop people from recording with their own stuff. And they will lease it anyway. It'll just look bad on the police officer's part. You know it's not showing the whole story showing part of the story. So what would you suggest to replace body cameras of anything. I wouldn't suggest anything. As a matter of fact my my officers now won't leave and go out on post without their body cameras. And other jurisdictions around us that are much smaller. It's the same thing because 99 percent of the time you're seeing very good police work. Right. On officer involved shootings or officer involved use of force. The officers want that footage to be there to explain why they did what they did. And one of the things that we're looking at now in terms of use of force in addition to body cameras. And again this goes maybe from learning from things like 9 11 is that use of force incident starts at the point that the call was dispatched. And ends after the force has been used. And the person is transported to a hospital or whatever the case may be. And we have to look at these events holistically. What are all the things that led up to that event happening. And then how was it immediately dealt with. So those recordings right now were freezing the initial call taker the dispatch the body camera footage. Because that's the only way we're going to get the complete story of what happened and why it happened. And whether failures in the system that put that officer or did they put themselves in a situation where they had no alternative. And so this whole lessons learned piece becomes critically important. So I think you're going to see police officers wearing body cameras. I think what we have to do is wrap our arms around how do we control the release of data. And how do we do it in a manner that's respectful to victims to victims families to the officers so on so forth. Eventually the information goes. But I think yes we want body cameras for short.