 So we're going to talk about Kali Rodney, she was 16 year old, who went missing. Greg wants to tell us about the videos we're going to watch. The interview is from the All-American Dream Chaser YouTube channel. Sammy Smith organized this search that they were having. And Rodney was last seen after leaving this Proser family campground in Truckee, California on August 6th. They finally found her body on August 21st. They initially thought foul play was under the way because they found her in the back seat, but the medical examiner came out five days ago and said it was an accidental drowning. Yeah, so Kali is one of my close friends. We met through mutual friends and we became closer in the past year to coming months recently. And she is just a light in a lot of people's lives. She's wonderful. She's she's smiling all the time. She's caring. She's beautiful. She's there for anybody who has ever needed her. She's very outgoing. She's outdoorsy, too. She loves the water. She loves to sing. Her voice is just amazing, too. And she's just a beautiful girl. And we all miss her a lot. And so, yes, I was the last person to contact her after the party. And I was with her basically throughout the entire party. I was I sorry, I was no, it's OK with her. I know you I know you got a lot going on. I there's I'm at the team to team meet up. So there's a lot of no, I know everybody's wanting to. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yes. So first off, just a list of positive attributes to the person who's gone missing and all in present. She is she is she is all positive. When we're hearing from somebody who we might be suspecting is something to do with an event like this on the whole, I certainly wouldn't be expecting a list of positive attributes and the idea of present tense. There may be some slip ups to was there may be some slips to something negative about the person. Again, not always the case, but it might be part of a cluster of events indicators that might immediately start to ring some alarm bells. However, close in the past year, she says, and there is some nostril flare there. The upper lip becomes a little stiffer and the eyebrows knit a tiny bit. So there are some indicators, small indicators there of anger around close in the past year. I don't know what that's about, but it's of interest. And I'll tell you later on as we go through these, what I think that potential anger is actually about. But Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, I love the knitting of the brow you're talking about because we're going to see it pronounced as we go through this. It's going to give us a great opportunity to teach you something that most people will miss. There's an interesting other thing here. Everybody knows I'm a big fan of eye movement. It means nothing in this video, nothing. It's too difficult to track. I can show you a couple of places where it means something, but she is leading a search effort and people are walking all around her car. So she's looking around constantly. So you can't discernably align her eyes to any specific thing. There are a couple of places we could make an inference, but we're not going to. So if you look at her, you look around, she's paying attention to them. I love this video too, because Mark, your point about tense. I always say we got to be really careful when we talk about tense because it depends on education. It depends on speech patterns. It depends on all that. I am related to people who switch tenses casually and it means nothing. It's just an education level and where they live and how people around them talk. This shows why clusters are more important and why other things that matter, you get lots of ways and lots of opportunities to look at. We're going to see some red flags that mean something other than she killed this girl, because we know for a fact she didn't based on what we know now when she says she. Kylie is one of my she closes her eyes and says she goes on and she talks about I'm sorry, one of my closest friends she loves. Again, she's in present tense. She's got a half nervous smile because she's partially trying to think what should I say? We can't read minds. We're looking at symptoms and we're looking for what this person might say or what this person is trying to say with their body at the same time that their mouth is saying something else. Interestingly, among young people, most often when somebody dies, comes up missing or disappears, they're probably going to say a lot of positive. They're not going to look for the negatives. So as you get older, people may change. But when I was in high school, there was a little girl who was murdered that was in my ninth grade class. And I can still remember everybody outpouring of love for this girl. Plus, these people didn't know this girl. Doesn't matter. They still are going to say good things. We get a good baseline because we get cadence and mannerisms all aligned. And then you see a little bit of as she's multitasking a little bit that knitting of the brow about how she's being perceived. That's what I got. Chase, what do you have? Yeah, I agree with y'all. There's comfortable here. It's there's fluency of language number one. So all we're trying to do for all four of us, what we're really trying to do is, OK, this is probably truthful. Now, let me go back and take a look at how she behaves during comfortable, truthful situations and see if there's a difference there in the future. The president's language is there. I think this is genuine recall. There's not concern yet yet for getting her back home. Just one thing to really try to pay attention to. I'm going to start dropping those here in the next few videos. But this is overall fluent, appears to be very honest. And I very partially disagree with Greg in that that not all of the eye contact is meaningless, because I think we do see a home where she goes up and right to retrieve a whole lot of information. And I think that might be something that we're going to see a little bit later during some crucial questions that are very important. Scott. Yeah, I think you're I think Chase is talking about a baseline there. I think it's a great place for a baseline that shows the body language that indicates someone is speaking from the heart without reservation, and she's loping along. And by loping, I mean, she's almost like somebody on a horse just kind of trotting through a field, no problems whatsoever. It's very smooth. She's young. So she's trying to get out a lot of information at the same time. There are sections where she's structured, what she's going to say. I think that's when you're talking about what she's looking at. When she's looking around, you're right, Greg. There's a lot going on around her. So it's hard for her to lock on what's going on. Plus, you want to kind of keep it on what's happening when you're in a surrounding like that. When we see her looking around, she doesn't have a whole lot of concern on her face. But that's OK at this point, because she's really not in under the heat of somebody saying, did you kill this girl? Do you know what happened to her? Anything like that. So I think that's OK at this point. I'm not seeing any kind of real stress whatsoever. And again, maybe we should be seeing some, but we're not. But at the same time, that's OK, because I think she really thinks this girl is still alive. And I'm seeing zero deception here. Everybody's wanting to talk to you. And like I said, I greatly appreciate every minute I have with you. Can you take a quick look at this photo? Is this what she can you confirm whether or not she was wearing this at the night of the party? Is that what she was wearing? Yeah, so that top is exactly what I saw. And if you can see on her left side on her hip, you can see some skin. She was wearing a black bodysuit. I remember because we went to the bathroom together, peed in the woods together a couple of times. And so that's her shirt right there. The pants were different that she wore to the party. She was wearing green Dickie's pants, but that belt is definitely what she's wearing to. I remember watching her have to take it off when we were using the restroom together. We were out using the outdoor restroom. This is like a lot, basically. So yeah, that was just released from the Placer County Sheriff's Office. This this picture, I just found it on their on their Facebook page. Yeah. So there's talk about this, this, this top, the spaghetti straps top. Some people are saying it was it was found at the area. Is that can you confirm that or is that so that has not been confirmed? If it has not been posted on our fine Kylie Rodney Instagram page or on the website or on the Placer County Sheriff's Office, Facebook or anything, then it is not true. And it is not something that people should be following on or trusting. The information will be posted and will be coming from us when it is confirmed. So to let people know what to look out for. If a changed shirt or something. So, yeah, that is not been confirmed. OK, if you don't know who we are, we're the behavior panel. And I'm Scott Rouse. I'm a body language expert and analyst and a trained law enforcement in the military and interrogation body language. And I created the number one online body language course, body language tactics with Greg Hartley. Mark. I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language, help people all over the world to stand out, win trust, gain credibility. Every time they communicate, including some of the leaders of the G7 case. Hey, I'm Chase Hughes. I wrote the number one bestselling book in behavior profiling, influence and persuasion. And I teach intelligence agencies and the general public in those things. Greg. Greg Hartley. I'm a former interrogator, interrogation instructor, resistance to interrogation instructor, written 10 books on body language and behavior and put together the number one body language online course, body language tactics dot com with Scott Rouse and I spend most of my time in business. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, this is a really good one to me because we get to see a lot of what to look for in future questions. This is there's no reason really for to be hiding anything. And I say in here, someone who is concerned about how the air perceived doesn't talk about peeing in the woods and copying a squat. So there's no not much pretense to who she is here. She does some lip pursing after she says that minor. You have to really look. She has a little lip purse after she says that, maybe thinking, well, that sounds dumb. Why did I say that? Don't know. But there's a minor lip purse. But she has smooth breathing, her cadence is consistent. She's got a low blink rate. We associate high blink rate, increased cadence, changes in cadence and increased breathing with stress. And we don't see any of that. Interestingly, she does a really neat regulator in this case when she throws her head back and her mouth opens, doesn't intake breath, saying, no, let me talk about that. When he says something about the shirt missing, we get a good chance to look at what's normal for her here. And we're going to say concern in her brow as she counter clarifies is her normal. We'll start to see it. Start paying attention. Here's some piece of information that's wrong. And she does that in account of clarification. And it may be it's just tied to how she's perceived or how the information is perceived. But for some reason she does that. And lots of us do that and we're talking to someone and they get something wrong. We go, no, no, we'll pull our brows together and do that. She illustrates to the brow and she's talking about place or counter county sheriff's office. She illustrates with her face. She shakes her head when she means no and nods when she means yes as she's driving those points home. And that way you can see that this is all tied during messaging and it will give us a good kind of benchmark for what we want to ask and where we're going after questions. When you get to a hard question, she should answer the same way. And when she doesn't answer the same way, then we have red flags. And we'll see a couple of places later that might actually be an issue. Scott, what do you got? All right. Caden speeds up just a little bit and her diction is a little bit cleaner because she's trying to make specific points. She wants people to understand. And this is normal since she's given that type of information. She wants it all to be correct to make sure everybody knows what she's talking about. And it's clear and clean about it. The furrowing of the brow indicates that she feels her I believe feels makes her feel like her makes it look like she feels her Instagram pages is a little bit more credible than everybody else's information or the Instagram page they put together concerning Kylie. And I'm sure she gets the information as soon as it comes out because I'm sure somebody's on the phone with a mere five minutes trying to find out what's going on, which is normal for someone who's that engaged and involved in their friend who's missing. And she's loping right along. She's talking with her descriptions and with the information she's relaying, she's just loping right along. No problems whatsoever. She's comfortable. And I think this looks the way it should look for someone who's uninvolved with murder of her friend at this point. I'm not seeing any kind of no, no true stress as far as being questioned about something. I don't think she's hiding anything at this point. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I think I agree with you all. And she's citing the sources of information. And this happens after she does some confusion or anger here. The confusion, I think, is what we're seeing on that brow of where did this who said this? Where did this information come from? And she's going back to cite the source and refers back to we as the authority for it. This might look unusual to some people, but I think she's using authority of her team. And this suggests she's taking personal ownership of the issue. Her personality is most likely driven by a desire to be socially significant. So that's all I think we're actually seeing here in this clip. And if you go back and listen to how she describes her friend, that's how how she describes it. She describes how socially significant she was to people. So I think this is one thing that she prides herself on. And as an interviewer or an interrogator, I know that if I'm seeing a person like this, not her, but I can use that to later exploit the behavior or to draw out certain behaviors that I want from that person by making them feel more or less of that desired trait. Mark, what do you get? Yeah, very clear leadership communication drives forward. Always moves the idea forward. It's very direct. It's not passive. It's not dismissive. It's not indirect. If I thought I was dealing with somebody who might be trying to hold back information, might be trying to conceal, might be lying in some way. I would expect something a little more passive or dismissive or indirect. She is certainly none of those things. She's so clear about what a friend was wearing. Absolute detail on that. What would I expect from somebody who's trying to be a little less indirect? Well, they can't quite remember. They're like, well, maybe this, maybe that, you know, things like that. She's so clear about that, even down to, you know, it was these. It was Dickie's pants, not these type of pants. Shows, I think, concern in the forehead as a good generalization around bad information and where the best information can be got. There's a clear idea of there's bad information out there. And that's, you know, you should you should close yourself down to that. And you should open yourself up to the good information that that me and the people that I know are bringing forward. Again, very clear about laying down those brand names of our Instagram page, the local police, so people know where to go. There's no fences and gates being put up around how to get hold of information and how to help. So at the moment, no drama, clean as a whistle, though, we will get a little bit of drama, quite significant drama. It was supposed to be a senior farewell party where all the seniors and everybody from around our area, like Tahoe and Truckee and Incline and Kings Beach were supposed to be there. They were invited there because it was supposed to be like saying goodbye to your favorite seniors before everybody starts going off to college because soon enough here, people are going to start leaving and moving out into Kylie's a senior or she was like she graduated early. So she's considered a senior and I was a senior. So every senior was initially invited to the party. And as well, all grades were invited just to so that it was they could say goodbye. So I had talked with Kylie and I'd known she was going beforehand. We hadn't planned on going together and we ended up not going together. She came with her best friend, Mags, Mags Larson. Magdalene, sorry, is her first name. Yeah, that's OK. Yeah. And so she came with her, drove in with her. And then Mags ended up leaving about 10 minutes into the party with her boyfriend, Ross, Mags's boyfriend and told Kylie goodbye and everything. And they were never planning on leaving together or staying together at the party. They just went to the party together because they were hanging out earlier in the day. And then I saw her the second she got there. And from that moment on, we were pretty much seen together all around the party. We would break off mere moments from each other to go talk to other people or to go do other things. You know, but we we would always come back to each other. We were just going around the party. We were drinking the same drinks, being teenagers, throwing glow sticks into the party. And it started to grow really big. I would say around 10 to 10 30. It just blew up like it started to get to the point where I was getting overwhelmed. And I'm a very social person. I've been to a lot of these parties. I've never been overwhelmed. I've actually been underwhelmed. But this party, it was it was very large. Like it was bigger than any party we've had in Truckee all year. And for a lot of years past, there are people from what we think Sacramento, San Francisco. I remember talking to somebody who is from San Francisco, Reno, full some areas that were just way out of reach from it. And it was really overwhelming and weird to see, but I didn't really think much of it. I just thought, oh, kids are around here. They have vacation homes up here. They're just coming to party because why not? So then Kylie and I were going around taking shots and just drinking. We were trading drinks. We tried. We were sharing drinks with each other. We would go back to her car to get some alcohol sometimes. And then we went to her car to charge her phone and we were talking about. Just random stuff. And then it's kind of hard to remember. And so, or I know we were talking about her texting her mom and her charging her phone and stuff and just about the party in general. And then we had a few other friends in the car and then we all decided to go back to the party and we were in there for a bit. I had asked her for a ride home when we were in the car because my ride was leaving and I wanted to stay at the party longer. And so then we ended up splitting up in the party because I went to go find another ride when we got back into the party after leaving the car. So that we could. Sorry, my mind is in a moment. Chase, what do you got? There's one moment I want to talk about in this. And this is when they split up, went back to the party so I could find a ride is what she says. This is a strong deviation from baseline here. There's hands come up into almost a prayer position. They start covering the throat, which we tend to do unconsciously. We protect our arteries when our bodies experience fear unconsciously, naturally. And that happens and there's some emotional accessing. And this is the first time we see any of that eye movement. Her eyes go down and to her right. And we typically do this when we recall emotional stuff. The story details, it's I asked her for a ride and then we split up so I could find a ride. I did not understand that. Maybe it was just teenagers are talking. I didn't get it. There's a loss of fluency here. So she has a verbal fluency, which means she's speaking very clearly and naturally. There's a drop in fluency as this happened. And something's off. It seems maybe something happened here that seems like regret on her face because we're not seeing deception, but a really strong spike in emotional processing that could be responsible for for these behaviors. And I'm not totally sure. But I think there was some chin boss movement in here. If you guys saw it, please talk about it. But that's all I got. Scott, what do you got? I totally agree. And just to pinpoint on that real quick, I think maybe the reason her ride changes is because maybe they got a little fuss or something in there. Not that she's afraid to talk about it. But, you know, she's it's one of her best friends and she wants to be tied about it. I thought that was what we were seeing at that point was she was maybe had a little fuss with her or something. A little single shoulder shrug when she talks, when she's talking about every grade to 10 and is fine, because she hasn't really thought about or cared about what other grades were there because she was like, oh, we're all going to be there. So I think she wasn't really sure who all was there, what type of people were there. Although they were students and she knows that we know that now. And I think that's where her interest in this party actually is, is in of her friends being there at this point. And she frowns when she's discussing the change of plans like we were talking a second ago. And maybe she had some things planned as well before this fuss. She had that she may have had, I think maybe they had together that they're going to do on the way home or stop and do something. There were some plans, but I think you're right. I think something was interrupted there. And that's what we're seeing, though, although that facial squinching and eye closing and all that stuff. But there's really no stress that shows deception here or that she's the only thing I think we're seeing where she's hiding something is there at that point. But I don't think it's anything huge and important. Just that maybe something had happened between those two. I don't think she's making any of this up. And again, we assume that because there's no stress that shows that she's not showing heat and up at all at this point. And when she says, I want to stay at the party longer, the left side of her mouth pulls down a little bit. So at that, right in there, I think she feels like maybe that was something she knows that doesn't sound too good. That's why she goes like that. So I would think she's under the impression that her parents maybe wouldn't want her to do that or it may sound bad when she says that. But she says it anyway and she lets that information come out. So I think we're seeing honesty here. And I think she's again, just a little open right along. Everything's going smoothly and she feels good about what she's saying. She's trying to get all the information out. She possibly can. That's good for everything. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, this is an interesting one because we're going to see the first red flags in the earlier things. We saw her using this brow, this concerned brow to correct and to counter. There's a couple of interesting places where she slows her cadence slows. She ums when she's talking about why these people were invited. Look, if you're underage, all of us for 18 months and probably doing things we were not supposed to do. And if you're trying to hide and protect somebody, you're going to have some of that with it. So we give her the benefit of it out there. There's a high use of illustrators when she says everybody was initially invited to party. So she's probably telling the truth. And then when she gets to these other folks, things shift. I'm going to point out here that when we talk about baseline, baseline is not always the same. People will say, you can't possibly know this guy's baseline. Well, let me tell you that a guy sitting on his couch, eating Cheetos and playing video games. His baselines can be very different than when he comes into an interrogation room. So there's a new baseline and the elevation and spikes occur in places where we see stress. So when we see something, we want to understand why in context to the situation, calm is good, calm is whatever it is. But she's doing a pretty good job of being thorough. It's what is interesting to me is there are places in here that mean something when she says we were supposed to come together and we didn't, you see that furrow in the brow. Now, look, the girl is gone. If we had written together, then what? There's all kinds of reasons that can happen. We don't read minds. It gives me an indicator why we poke if I run in an interrogation. I were talking to this young woman. I would say, so how do you feel about that? Tell me, tell me, did you have anything to do with this? Well, I feel like this and you can get a lot out of people by simply opening up the opportunity for them to talk to you about how they feel about the situation. Now, before she did this thing with her brow and trying to set the record straight, she's probably doing it again here. So something is happening. Is there some drama around that decision not to come together or did something happen while they were there? Or is it just guilt? We don't know. We have to ask questions. Here is where a lot of the suspicion about the young woman came from. We got lots of people asking us to look at her. She says, we were only apart from mere moments. That's awkward wording. People don't talk that way. And it probably is something that got a lot of suspicion up about her. Don't know. I would poke and say, what do you mean by mere moments? That's not a word I use. Maybe she does. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe it comes from something. There's that brow again. And then she does a request for approval at when she's talking to about texting the mom. There's some concern in the tech, the brow rising when he's asking about a couple of things in there. She rambles on about the drunken part. That's an excuse. Of course, it's probably true. And I poke around and dig to understand if you've ever been drunk in your life, you know that you remember things in snapshots. You don't remember sequence. You don't remember how things go together. So probably she's just telling you why. But I would poke and dig and not give her an out there. And I go back and I ask about what's why are you showing this around? You didn't come with her. She came with her other friend. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so for me, all of this piece here, the drama here is about sharing responsibility, not culpability, but responsibility. Who is responsible for this person going missing? The lips ripple in aggression slightly on all grades were invited. OK, so this idea of like everybody was there. OK, all grades were there. Everybody's there. Then we were together. We were together, we were together. But then it got overwhelming. And I'm not normally overwhelmed, but there were so many people there. I'm not cognizant anymore. So again, the sharing of responsibility or the or the the diminishment. My responsibility was diminished because I'm now overwhelmed by how many people were there. But we're all there. So we can share some of that responsibility. I'm OK with her kind of loss of memory because it comes around the time where I think she's talking about, you know, we've been drinking. And so the loss of memory is going to come from there. But just like you, Chase, I'm concerned about why the other ride. You'd gone back to the car to work out the ride. And now why the other ride? Now, that's going to get explained later on because it does need explaining. And I think there's a there's a pretty good explanation for that. But again, if you weren't looking forward and you weren't taking all of this into account, you're going to get some red flags going off going, hang on, what's going on here? And you're right to have that biggest, biggest deviation from baseline for me is her hair goes back behind her ears. That's a big movement. But in some videos, we're going to see her push it back again as she gets more confident. So this for me means, OK, I'm less confident around what's going on. Why is she unconfident at this point? I believe it's because she's said it. Well, actually, she says she says everyone was there, including her best friend, the girl's best friend, Mags. OK, so she's trying to alleviate herself of any high responsibility for what's going to happen later on where, you know, she leaves this friend behind to an extent in her mind in a sense of she could feel guilty that she didn't take the friend home, get the friend home in some way. I don't think there should be any guilt there. But but, you know, easily, you could all that I'm just saying now, that's why we're getting these deviations from baseline, some underlying guilt around that. Yeah, that's all I got on that one. All right, Mark, do you ever put your hair in a ponytail? No, I gave that up a long, long time ago. You should the nineties, the nineties fair play fair play in the nineties. These days, no, no, not at all. I wouldn't have told that. It gets worse. I had a perm. I had a perm in the nineties. I'm going to go on. No, don't say that. Nola in the chat wants to ask you who was fighting at the party, the girl and guy look into them. There was a was there a fight at the party? Yeah, so there are some friendly fights that were going on. There was like we had boxing gloves. People were like trying to instigate. It wasn't anybody who had really any drama or they weren't enemies or anything. It was more just friendly fights to keep entertainment going. This happens at a lot of our parties. We just do it to have fun. If somebody gets hurt, like we have people on them. But so it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't like a fight out of anger. It was just kind of a kind of a just a fun competition type of fighting. Yeah, I just see who wins and who goes home with the title, which I will randomly admit people do end up getting in fights over who won. But not this time. Daniel Taylor wants to ask you, did Kylie have a chase? What do you got? The baseline behavior is back. This is honest recall and descriptions. Details are around social behavior because she remembers more social elements than someone who thinks differently than her. So this is all in her baseline. It's all there. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, interestingly enough, I said earlier, there would be a couple of places where you could call out eye movement that's reliable. Here's one of them. She does go to where I would associate based on everything I see in all the other videos, her recalling people she saw and you see it. She goes kind of up and to her left and there's no absolute. That doesn't mean everybody goes there, but she has gone there a few times. The reason I have a point about all of them is because her eyes are moving around so damn much. It's difficult to keep up with. He was in Napa Brow up request for approval. That's simply a question of you get what I'm saying. He was in Napa. I think he lives in Napa and are clarifying counter clarification. Happens again, that knitted brow, that down thing. And I think what she's doing here is she's going to say something about there's no problem with his family. And that's when you see it because she's countering what you might think. Look, this is her ex-boyfriend, but there's no problem with the family. You get it. And then you see that brow go back up. I think it's pretty good, good baseline. And we see her using that same, same exact move over and over and over. We don't see anything change in her lilting. All the baseline is good. Scott, what do you got? All right. Most often we see that hair being pulled back like that. It's when someone is as you're talking to them and they're getting in trouble or there's something happened. Let's say it's a card game or they're they're doing something where it's getting intense and they'll and women quite often will do this with their hair and pull their hair back and get some of the heat out that way. And I think that's what she's doing at this point. She's talking about fighting. So apparently that was a pretty big deal that went on because you're I've never been to parties where they're boxing or calling somebody out and having to put on gloves and boxing. I've seen people go at it, but not boxing. So I think maybe that is why she's heating up a little bit and pulling the hair away from her face to cool down a little bit. Get rid of some of that heat. I think this is great for a baseline if we really needed one. I think you're right, Chase, is just a continuation of that. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, that you haven't been to parties with boxing gloves on. Tells me that you are not a teenager in truckie, Scott. Teenager in truckie. You'd be here. Yeah, you'd be well used to it by now. Well used to. Yeah, I mean, look, it seems like outside of behavior to most of us. But then, of course, all good teenage behavior should be outside of behavior. There should be some elements there. You know, gosh, you know, rock and roll now is is average. So what are you going to do? What are you going to do to make your parents go? Don't go there. Well, it's probably going to be terrible, you know, because because rock and roll isn't going to do it for you anymore. So look, the illustrators are back. They're really good. The baton gestures are on point like the hair comes back forward again. She's more confident. She's back to remembering and seeing things very, very clearly. Back to being in charge, which, again, just exacerbates for me, you know, extends for me what was happening in the last video before this. A clear deviation from baseline there around the idea of this this other lift and and and different arrangements being made and lots of people being there. Just a little bit of a story of more chaos going on, which counters what we're getting here, which is like, no, we're having this ordered fight, you know, which which for most of us, that should be the chaos. Well, there's fighting going on. You know, no, you know, fighting going on. That's actually organized and normal. So interesting bookhead and here for this this actual chaos of how are you getting home and this other lift? So that's what we were doing. You know, can you tell us about her cell phone? Is there anything specific you can tell us? Go ahead. It has a it's we're having trouble remembering what color. Like my cell phone is a green phone, but I have a orange case on it. But we do know that her phone has a black case on it with a sticker on the very middle back that says sex wax on it. And it's an iPhone, not the Samsung that was found. It's an iPhone. So it's an iPhone. Yeah, I forget which generation and which like number, but I can I can post about that or something. You're getting contacted. Okay. Real quickly, Laura Truman wants to ask you, what about pictures and social media posts? There has to be evidence this party went down. I'm sure there's people taking photos or TikToks. I'm sure there's going to be a TikTok video of the fight or something, right? There's got to be something out there. Yeah, so there's hundreds of videos. Everybody, we have videos of people taking videos. Oh, wow. We have very good, very good videos, hundreds of pictures. Everybody, we've asked everybody to send us any videos in any pictures that we have, even if it's a picture that looks exactly like someone, something else sent us, it could have different angles. We are looking at an app called Be Real, which is where a lot of kids waited because the Be Real, it's an app where you can post a picture and there's two minutes. It random points in the day. There's only one a day and it comes as a notification will pop up on your phone that says you have two minutes left to post your Be Real like everybody has. You can post it later in the time, but you're supposed to post in that time. We're looking at everybody's Be Real's because we know a lot of people waited until they were at that party to post their Be Real's. So we're looking for people to look back in their snap memories of anybody that we can see in those videos, anybody that we can see in those Be Real's. We are looking at Instagram posts, photos taken on video cameras, photos taken on Snapchat, videos on all of these and everything. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, there's an interesting she raises about what we do know when she's talking about the phone, but that's you get it. That's a do you get it raising your brow? Not a, hey, do you believe me? That's a do you get what I'm talking about? And then she says, we aren't sure. One of the more interesting pieces here that would make people jump ahead and look for body language is odd. Does she choose her lip and she does chases withdrawal of lip for, for re, for reassurance. And so she's doing some discomfort show there with an adapter and with needing some reassurance. That probably is tied to the fact that he's asking her about videos. Her brow goes up quickly when he says videos in a recognition thing. And so if I'm in a situation where we've been doing underage drinking and other drugs and who knows what else, who knows, then that could be compromising and cause all the rest of that stuff. Didn't ask her a question of her about any pictures or just ask about pictures in general and all of that. All I can say is that those things didn't exist when I was her age. Lots of videos of things. Most of us probably would not want those around either. I think today, even the military, those phones show up in so many different places that there was no privacy anywhere you go. Then she goes back to her cadence and everything else back to baseline. She's talking like herself. She's running smoothly after she gets through that first part of the video. Then she chaffs. There's no redirect. She just chaffs. She's telling us about something that she thinks we need to know. Seems useless information to me. But of course, it isn't. It's important to her and she's trying to get across that point. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, I'm happy with the detail that she's trying to give on. Look, you know, the phone has a cover, so I can't tell you what what the type of phone is, but I will give you that information once I get that information. That's important is she's not obfuscating. She's not trying to put up walls and barriers. She's going here, the data that I actually have. She's she's very concerned, I think, when she can't be certain. And then she really kind of rolls forward and gets moving. And as Scott, you'd say, kind of loops along when she's really certain about the stuff. And that's a good sign, as far as I can see. Again, she takes leadership around the collecting of evidence. I think you're right, Greg. There is some concern, worry around the video. I think it could be that I think also as she kind of speeds up and starts delivering a quite a rate after that. And there's there's more. What's the right word? There's there's little bits of more tension in her body. I think there's a lot of information she wants to get out. And I think she may be starting to worry that this interviewer is not going to help her get out all the right information. So she speeds up, she starts pushing forward. Look, we've got all this video. You know, if you want collecting video, we've got video of people taking videos. So there's lots of video. We have that covered. I think she really wants to get on to some of the next stuff that she has to say and and needs the interviewer to move this one along. Chase, what do you got on this one? Yeah, I agree with the gases. Pretty straightforward. There's genuine concern here to collect as much data as possible. So far, she's not done what we typically see in a missing person case where red flags are just all over the place, which I'll give you a few right now. Directing the topics to their innocence and adding unnecessary details. So it's their innocence instead of the return of the person. Number two, stress markers. They appear at the moments of questions instead of the moments about the missing person, which we can see stress there, but it's stress and emotion mixed together. Number three, injecting some vague or ambiguous information. And she's not doing any of that. She's leaning toward the difficulty here with finding the missing person. Next, we would see in a guilty person, guilt and shame behavior, stronger than the emotional reactions around the missing person. And finally, one of the biggest ones is introducing and injecting complexity into the search instead of encouraging assistance. We're seeing the opposite of all of those things in this video. Scott. Dang it. You got. Yeah, I don't have a lot on that. So what you got, some of the things I was going to talk about. So I'll talk about the confirmation nods. Quite often when someone shakes their head, yes, but they're talking about something that should be no, that most people say, ah, they're not being honest because they're saying no as their head shakes. Yes, but these are confirmation nods. That's what I call them. She's confirming the information she's giving and they don't come. Like you're shaking your head. They're not real smooth. They're don't, don't, don't they'll be like that. They won't be in the perfect space between them all. Like you would if you were actually saying yes about something. When she talks about the videos, she knows there's a lot of people out there who are underage and drinking and doing things they shouldn't be doing. And I think that's the reason for the concern we're seeing in her face. And the volume of her voice goes down a little bit there as well. But again, I'm not seeing any indicators of deception here at all. She lived fairly close. Is this, is this picture correct? As she was about 12 miles away, the Proser family campground was roughly about 12 miles from her house. Is that correct? That dot is not exactly where she was located. It's a little bit more to the right and towards the little blue lake that you can see up from it. It was a little bit closer to that lake, but definitely that's about. Yeah, I would have taken about 30 minutes for her. We've we've found out about approximately 30 minutes for her to drive that way, 38 maybe this is crazy. I mean, you know her being a friend. I mean, your thoughts on her running away is would she have a reason to run away? I'm just I'm just trying to come up with anything that I mean, it's just what are your thoughts on that? And I mean, what do you think to be fully honest from what I believe about Kylie, all ideas are still open in the air. But she's not the type of girl to run away. She loves people too much, and she has too much care in her heart to lead people and not leave a note or talk with one of her friends or something. And she is she is smart enough to know how this would get out and that people would be worried about her. And she's a smart girl. She graduated with honors early from high school and was going to 10 college and she had plans for her life and she seemed really happy. All right, Chase, what do you got? If you think you saw something strange here, which was a deviation from her baseline, I saw it too. She's speaking in past tense about Kylie toward the end of this. This is common, though, when referencing the past descriptions of someone. So what this does, if you're describing how someone behaved in the past and then trying to describe them, it shifts the mind to think in past tense terms. So this isn't one of the indicators that I would even bat an eye at. So the past tense, if you go back and listen to this, she's shifted into past tense to talk about something that was genuinely past tense. Still descriptive about Kylie using a social measurement tool. And this new measurement here is added about intelligence. But how does she describe the intelligence? It's intelligence that leads her to being more socially aware. So we're seeing all of this stuff. Every positive quality goes back to some kind of social strength. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, I'm glad you grabbed that one. It's the one I talked about in the very beginning. Just because she shifted tense means nothing. It's one of those absolutist red flags. It really means nothing in this case. She does that clarifying forehead again when she's asking a question or when he's asking her where the place is. And she's like, no, that's not true. She's a counter clarification and says it's there. It's closer to that blue lake. Then she does this thing that might make you think it's a red flag immediately. Long drawn out to be fully honest, what I think about Kylie, all are still up in the air. And then she does but and her but has exclamation points after if you listen to it for her speech, but she's making the point. She's not just throwing it away. And then there's minor disgust at leaving without a note. All this looks good. It all still fits the story she's telling. All the narration is good. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, just two things. Look, just more clarity on the exact location there. I like that you picked up as well. Her concern that the that somebody has the wrong data. Again, it's it's classic for her. Now she gets concerned about people having the wrong data and she likes to put people right and be in charge of that. Very helpful, good leadership there. Just as a generalization, very direct eye contact and very clear, clear and direct. This is not something I'd be expecting from somebody who's trying to put barriers in the way. Clarity and clear eye contact. So all looks good to me. Scott, any differences there? No, I grew with the wholeheartedly. And I thought some was interesting about this is her her her blink rate. It really it really hasn't gone up at all in some spots where she's talking about himself, thinking it'll blink twice. But that's about it. It's not really we're not seeing a lot. And I think that's because we're not seeing a lot of stress here. So we're seeing again, back to like Chase was saying, up to her baseline until and like Greg was saying as well, we get to that part where she starts talking about past tense. But you can completely toss that away because it means absolutely nothing. Are we good? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's great. That's Mark, her mom just has destroyed. Her mom is fully invested in her life. Yeah. So there have been dive teams sent in and I can pretty much only say they've done thorough thorough searches through the waters, through the lake surrounding. They are searching the waters. They are searching the campgrounds and everywhere related lakes that are near because Boca and Stampede are two reservoirs that are near there as well. And they are doing searches through there every single day. They have been for the past three days. They have done extensive searches to the points that you wouldn't even believe the FBI and those people who they are going. To be fully honest, my biggest concern is that somebody and I've said this in other interviews, somebody knew she was drunk, offered to give her a ride home and they didn't give her a ride home and they could be across the world at this point with how long she's been gone. And I'm just I'm worried that I have a feeling and obviously I don't know. I have a feeling that she is still alive and she's still out there and she's still fighting, but that there's somebody else involved and that's not confirmed. That's just what I believe. I think there has to be somebody else involved in this. And Mark, what do you got? Yes, so she has a theory and that's important. Chase, I don't know whether you were going to bring up the case of the missing perpetrator, but in this particular moment she's willing to offer a perpetrator and and something of a description as to where her theory goes. She has a theory. She's not in that world of, well, I, you know, we just don't know. There's no invisible person. So across the world, they're now moving her across the world. So it's it's kind of a trafficking theory. She's got a theory about her getting drunk, being taken advantage of. Now trafficked across the world. And they didn't give her a ride home. She says she she there is a story about the lift, but she didn't get a ride home. And the lips show apprehension there. Once again, I think there is a sense of guilt in here. You know, obviously, we all understand it was it was a little bit chaotic there. But as much as you can always try and get your friends home in some kind of way. But, you know, you can understand the chaos going on. But she does revert to she's still out there still fighting. And so it's interesting that she brings back this fighting idea again, because that's something that this group do together. It's it's subversive. It's about being a teenager in that location. You you you fight. So no missing perpetrator here. But Chase, what do you got on this one? What do you think? Yeah, I agree with you on that, especially on that on that part with the perpetrator. There's no ambiguity there. This is honest behavior, the references, the care her mother has for Kylie with present tense words. There's genuine baseline for her recall with eye movement and everything. But there's Chen boss movement or grief, which we see this muscle tightened up here when somebody experiences grief when she's cut the moment. It's very micro, but it's the moment that she starts contemplating some Kylie being taken. So we're seeing just tons of honesty here, Greg. Yeah, her brow tips come up in the center just barely. But we associate that with sorrow when she's talking about the girl's mother. And that's a short snips. You have to look at it very closely. She's not nervous. There's no breathing increase, no blink rate increase or anything about searching the water. If you have any doubt, if you're thinking the Emmy got it wrong, if this girl had put that that that girl in the water, she would be just beside herself talking about the FBI searching the water unless she's some steely eyed, cold, hardened killer, and even they have a hard time with that because they are aware of what's going on. Now, this is us doing it in retrospect. Of course, she says to be fully honest, so it shows up again. This means probably that it's a language virus among her peers. And that happens a lot in people in their teens. If you think about your high school years, all those language, all that language that's associated that you had to get out of your head as you moved on to jobs and that kind of thing, it's a different way of working. So it's a catchphrase. She's congruent and messaging. Even when she's editing, this is a great indicator. If a person's editing and their body language, they're punctuating with their hands and their head when they're changing words. And that punctuation stops and starts up again. That's a great indicator that the person's being honest. Even though they're editing as they speak, because it takes too much effort to do it otherwise. And you get what Scott always talks about, the mismatch between illustrators and words, if you don't, her illustrators and her words match, even though she's editing as she speaks. And then finally, there's disdain in her face when she talks about someone else involved. This is all good. It all means that she's being honest. Scott, what do you get? I agree with you. And the part where Chase, you're seeing, I think the grief right there in the chin, boss, it is a little bit. But it happens when she starts talking about what she thinks has happened to her. And just before that, we see her shoulders go down. We see defeat at that point. She's you can see her lower down in the seat than she was when we first started. Again, her blink rate is almost nothing here. The first 30 seconds of the video, she doesn't blink. So that I thought that was really interesting because that shows she's really relaxed and lets us know that she she believes what she's saying. And she's getting ready like you were saying, Greg, she's going in and she's editing what she's saying. I call it structuring quite often because she's getting ready to tell us about what she thinks happened to her as she goes through that. And it's you can get dark when you start thinking about things like that. When you get in that position, what could somebody's missing? There's all these things, you know, that could possibly happen. And she's thinking about those things, which she's talked about with her friends, I'm sure they were all made their own decisions about what they think have happened. But I think that as she goes to that dark place about what might have happened, I think she feels defeated in somewhere in a heart. She feels like maybe she may not come back again. Like you were saying, Greg, this is all in retrospect. So we consider saying, yeah, this means this and that means that. But we can see things on her face that will tell tell us. That's what that would suggest or indicate as we go through this. She, Shanie Jones wants to ask you on your last call, did she let you know who the quote unquote friend was that was driving her home? Yeah. So this is a common misconception. She was not being driven home and she was not driving. So, OK, at the end of the party when she called when I saw her, I she was supposed to give me a ride home because I had asked her to give me a ride home because I wanted to stay later. I then realized later in the party that I believe she was drunk when I knew she was drunk. And so I did not want her to be driving me home because I know about drunk drivers and all that. And so I yeah. And I figured she would be staying there or she would find a ride home because she's a smart girl. She's smart enough to know just she's smart. And so. Then. I found her as I was leaving the party, I was making sure to find her to tell her that I had another ride home in that I loved her. And I would say bye and for her to have fun at the party. And then when I left the party, we were all we were pretty much on 89 with my ride and she called me as I was in the car in the passenger seat. And she was like, hey, where are you? Do you still need a ride home? And I was like, no, I'm OK. Like I'm in the car right now. I'm trying like getting driven home now. But Kylie did not have a set ride home. And she I was under the impression that she would either sleep there or find another ride home and it was not known that anybody was going to give her a ride home. She was not when she called me. She was not in a car. I could hear the party and people, many people talking in the background. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, this is one of those places where the red flags come up. And this is where people probably automatically assume that she was trying to hide some spray was some guilt, some feelings of guilt. She's 18, you know, she's not 60 and been through combat and all that kind of thing. All of us will have a different mindset about what's rational and even we will feel guilt when someone we know does something that causes their demise or that they came up missing. She has some great big deviations here and regardless of whether she's done it before that immediate and push her hair behind her ears is a big red flag because it says something has changed. Now, what she's doing is bracing the set the record straight, I think. And then she raises her brow up and she says I ask her for a ride and then thought she was drunk. Oh, no, no, she was drunk. That's the beginning of it. I think there there's some request for approval. That is not a do you understand what I mean? That is a is it OK? I would poke on in a person in the interrogation room. If she were there, I would poke on her and say, tell me what really happened. I'd start poking until she told me, look, I felt guilty because then she goes on to say she's a smart girl, smart enough to know she starts shaking her head. No, when she says that and then she you can tell when she gets down the point, she's smart enough to know you can see that she doesn't even finish the thought and that's remorse. You can see the remorse there as she trails off and switches to passive voice immediately. I haven't heard a lot of that. She's talking about she didn't have a known ride. I forget the other passive word, but this tells you there's remorse in her whole thinking. And right there, if she were guilty, is we lean to her. That's the interrogator we're leaning in. Oh, OK, it's OK. Things happen. And that's when you start to get the person into that whole feeling mode. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, there's genuine grief right as the video starts because we're picking up at the beginning of this one at the end of the last one that we just watched. And you can see the genuine grief on the face right as this video starts right after the description in the previous one. This is honest behavior throughout the video. There's genuine recall, moving her eyes in the right direction. The words, the fluency is all there. There's descriptive language. There's no redirection to her innocence whatsoever. And there's genuine concern for the case and not a concern for her innocence. And I was going to talk about the grief. You covered it brilliantly. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, I agree. Look, hair back so she can be really clear about this. There is a change of rhythm here because I think there's a build of emotion. There's less buoyancy in the face. Literally, the muscles start to relax and the face starts to sink down a little bit as there's more sadness around this. I mean, you know, every credit to this young woman who is doing a brilliant job of leading this and doing this interview right here. And at the same time, I think the narrative going on in her head is that possibly she abandoned this person and this person has been taken. And now she needs to offset some guilt and responsibility around that. And I think therefore she says she's smart enough to know. We don't hear at the end what she's smart enough to know. So there's something unsaid about what she hopes she's smart enough to know. She's she's smart. OK. And then her eyes roll back slightly again. I think there is an offset of responsibility right on to the the victim there to say, I think this person would have been good enough to be able to look after themselves in this situation. And I hope she's been able to look after herself in the situation. Again, this is I'm not putting any blame on this person at all. But I would suspect she is she is putting some blame in her in her direction. It's it's only natural. Scott, what do you go on this one? I never thought about that, that she probably caught a ride with somebody else or something and and she feels guilty about that for for not taking her. I figured it was a fuss or something. So, yeah, that's that's interesting. This is the first time we actually see stress, though, or any stress that's worth calling out, because when she starts to start talking about her being drunk, instead of her shoulders going up and down, we see that shoulder move forward. Now, I'm going to the impression that's her hand pulling down her leg and she's squeezing her leg or her knee like that as an adapter. So that's the and that's like you were saying, Greg. And I think that's where you're talking about. That's where I would go in as well and start asking all just tearing that all apart because he's starting the arms and the the long pauses right in there. I would I would let her talk for a second. I would break that up and get a brain over here, thinking about something else and then scoot back over there every couple of seconds to try to see if she if anything mixes up in there right in that section. So that's a that's a good call to that at that section. So I I I think this is the first time we're seeing stress on her. But I think you guys are all right. There's there's a reason for it. And Mark, yeah, I didn't catch that at all. I didn't think about that. That's good. I didn't think about that being a situation where she was feeling guilty about that. It's Kylie, just just by the way. But if Kylie's out there watching, I'm sorry, Kylie. I apologize. I just my mind is going a thousand miles an hour. It's just it's a very emotional. But no, I'm sorry, Kylie. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, no, it's totally fine. If I were out here watching this, I would just want to know. We are doing everything to try and find her. We are contacting. We are making this go worldwide. We will find her. We will find what is happening. And we just want her home. We don't want to get anybody in trouble. We don't we just want her home. We we love her and we would do anything to see her again. I personally I just want to drink a boba with her again and laugh and tell the story. And when I see her, I'm going to absolutely tackle her to the ground. I'm going to give her the most love that she's ever felt. And I hope she knows she's loved this whole community is looking for her. The whole world at this point is looking for Kylie. Kylie, if if if you're out there and you can hear this, please fight, keep fighting. Don't give up. We are coming. We are working. We will not stop working. I will stay up day and night. I have her completely. We want you home. We just want you home. And. Yeah, Chase, what do you got? Right here, she's comfortable with her imagined scenario. She's not trying to say there was a kidnapper. Then maybe she ran away. Then maybe somebody convinced her to leave or all these other scenarios that guilty people are very, very comfortable introducing and injecting multiple pathways in all kinds of ambiguity here. She's comfortable with a lack of ambiguity. This is the precise moment in a guilty person. You're going to see a spike in variability of circumstances where somebody would be offering up several different reasons for scenarios for what happened. You're seeing precisely the opposite of this here, in my opinion, with no deception markers whatsoever. Mark, yeah, just some interesting ones about how when she sees us, she's the tally to the ground. An interesting society there where fights are love, love is having having a fight. It makes sense of, you know, putting the gloves on and fighting it out between between friends, kind of interesting. I just think that that's that's the kind of knockabout group that these kids are. And wouldn't it be great to have friends like her because she is, you know, such a strong, clear leader at this point and also sending a message at the same time out to her idea of the potential kidnappers, the person's people in her mind who've taken her friend, which is I don't want to get any anybody into trouble. It's going to be all right if you give up. If you give her back, we'll just forget about it all, which is a great tactic. Not that it's going to work every time, but it's a really good tactic that she's putting out there. So a message here that she is not only doing to a friend out there in the hope that she could be watching her in this imagined idea that the kidnappers set her up with a TV. And but I mean, that's always the internal hope. I think of if here's what I'd say. If I if I thought my my friend friend was there. So there's the message there to the friend. There's a message there to the public that we're out there looking and a message there to the perpetrator going and look, just give her back and we'll just forget about it all and walk away and nobody would be in any trouble. All wrapped up in a slow burning emotion rather than one that we'd often see in somebody who has some strong guilt around this where you'll see these spikes of emotion that kind of come out of nowhere and disappear or appear in a very unfluid way, but come in a spiky way. I'm not seeing any of that very happy with what I'm seeing there. Scott, what do you got on this one? All right. And Chase, the opposite of what you're talking about is when you go into a bank and you're talking to people, there's somebody in the bank has taken some there, there is getting into the lock boxes or getting into something in the back and it's locked and you can't get in, right? Supposedly nobody's supposed to get in and you'll as you talk to those people as you weed down who you think is the guilty person, you'll talk to two or three people and you'll talk to one and you'll say, so how would you get into the any idea how you get into that room back there? What do you do? It's a no-earthly idea. No, they've got things set up so you can't get in. They'll give all these reasons you can't get in, but then you'll talk to the next two or three people. Everyone will say when you say, is there a way you can get back in a room? How do you do that? Oh, yeah, here's how I do it. I go through here and I do that and put that little thing. There's a button under there. We all know it. We all do it. So just the opposite of what you're talking about is when they when the guilty person says, no, there's no way to get in. And what you're saying is there's all these other things for the innocent person. So that makes that makes total sense. I think this goes right along with their baseline here as well. Everything we've seen because she's still she's kind of lopin, but she's stopping as she's thinking and structuring what she's going to say. But she's still getting over points across and she's I think as a group of girls, they'll talk about, oh, when we see her again, you know, I'll ever so much I'm going to do this or that. I think that's what you're talking about, Mark, when they're when they're going to tackle them and stuff. Of course, we're talking about somebody who goes to parties where they have boxing. So I think naturally they're going to be a little bit more aggressive in that world, you know, talking about that. But I think everything looks as it should for someone who didn't do something they shouldn't have heard. Yeah, I think that's right. If that makes sense. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, I don't think I know people who would turf each other to in his sign of affection. So I get it, especially for his alcohol involved. So I have a few friends who might do that as well. What's interesting is she corrects this interviewer about the name of Kylie. And you can see a nervous kind of a smile, a polite smile as she does it. But she's happy to correct that person's name. Here's another thing when she's talking about her, her all over pronouns, all over tenses and everything are lined up. She's talking about her. If she if we were talking to her, we would say boom, boom, boom. Then she goes to talking to her and all of her pronouns, all of her conjugation. Everything lines up. The message is clear. A person who is trying to deliver a message that they're trying to look hopeful is not going to go very well there. Then she gets buoyant, buoyant, and she shifts at we will in the future. And she talks about positive things and seeing each other again. A person who probably had killed her or had something to do with her disappearance likely wouldn't be that buoyant about that. We've seen a lot of them go back and look at some of them. It looks consistent. It hits her baseline and it flows in sentence structure and everything in a way that makes me believe it. Are there red flags through some of the other things? Maybe, but none in here. All right, well, let's start out in the room one time and talk about what we think we've seen 30 seconds or less. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, though, there are some red flags in there. You want to make sure that you're thinking about them in the right context and the right context makes them right for this situation. Great video in terms of what truth looks like. Chase, yeah, people ask us all the time, why don't you get a video analysis of somebody who's honest? This is it. And this is what he looks like. I think all of us have at least 20,000 plus hours to do in this stuff. This is honesty. Great. Yeah, baseline is different dependent on the situation when you're sitting on your couch and Cheetos, you're going to be much more relaxed than you are when you're in front of a camera. This woman is showing all of the signs of being honest, but under duress. Scott, exactly. I agree with all of you guys. We're seeing a great example of someone's baseline that we got to first. As we go through, it doesn't change much, but in sections where it gets emotional, it does change, but for the right reasons. So again, like you guys were saying, this is a great example of seeing someone who's innocent and being innocent and not being in trouble for anything. So I think this is a golden fellas and we'll see you next time. So what do you got?