 Welcome to ToffyTV, it's the final word. We've got Dave and Keith in because This is a big one and we thought we need to bring the big ones in, need to bring the big guns in to talk about this This is a big one. Before we start this video, it's sponsored by One Football, One Football. One Football's app makes it easy to keep up to date with transfer and new scores and start in one place to download One Football. I'll click the link in the description. We've done abby. Yeah, lads David you were there. I was. What was that feeling like at full time? Being in the ground after everything that had gone on on the day. Good launching. It was. It was kind of the thing what really upset the many things what really upset me about that day. Many many things. However, the main thing was is we conceded the free kick. I've seen you put something on Twitter about yesterday. It wasn't just naive. Naive is like stage two. This was stage six because we'd already been down the same road in the same game previously. It's not the first incident, so of course. So we'll get into the depth of it, but if you ask me what the real it was, it was gut wrenching disappointments. How are we so gullible? Who's in charge of videos, for example? There's a million things we can talk about, but if you ask me gut wrenching in the way, definitely. Yeah. It was just awful so much. I mean, I didn't go. I sat around doing my own thing, basically. And that's a good thing. I'm watching it on the TV, but two days of the way through I've had enough, you know. So it was pretty, really pretty. It was grim. It was grim. I think the thing for me was the inevitability of it. I just knew the minute being plus that kid in the corner. When we were winning it was like stupid fouls. It was like two to this because we can't defend the quality. Stupid fouls. There really is, you know. I think the big part for me is you just mentioned the dates. It's not enjoyable, is it? It's not enjoyable to watch. The defendants terrible and you're looking for small little things. And I can't. I mean, I personally can't see them. I know. I mean, let's just jump into the crux. A lot of people asking for silver's head, right or wrongly. And maybe a lot of people never been more than agree with that. But I sit here now as an Evertonian. And I've sat here before a few times and I look at the progress and I just, I can't see. I'm not saying that's enough for them to be sacked. Not by any means because I don't think the club is in a position where they can actually sack them. I look at it and I don't have any options and he plays them in fairness. Exactly. And there's all those factors but I look at it and I just think to myself, where are we as a football club in terms of basics? The basic things like defendants, set pieces, which I've said this loads of times. If no one were playing a league one team on Saturday, who all they do or game is defend that kind of stuff, they would have been farming it. But for us a Premier League team, it almost feels like it's, we don't do that. I don't know. It's manual labour, yeah? It's basically football manual labour and everyone's up themselves now and thinks they're new over each. We certainly ourselves have got our expectations are part of the problem. That's just my opinion. I go every week and we get too high, too quick and too low, too quick as well. The middle perspective aspect, what did we expect? Let's just give it a brief 20 second review of the previous five years and the squad where he inherited and the buys what were already lumbered onto the club payroll and where we were with regard to the kids, the psychology. If you read Vlazik's comments every week what goes by, he looks like a prophet. This child doesn't never mind him scoring in the European Cup when we can't score in the general league games, to be honest with you at the moment. But never mind that. Read the comments. It's the psyche. If it's the psyche that's the structure of the building, boys, because it doesn't matter who you buy because remember, I've just said it to you out there. Roberto Martin has got sacked five years ago for not being able to defend. He was a fraud. We had the defense of John Stones and Jaggy Elker and Leighton Baines and Seamus Coleman and Tim Howard for the most part. Only Seamus Coleman was present on Saturday. Five years and four managers later. Three years. No, but I'm talking from the start. Five years. Anyway, this is from the start. Anyway, so here we are now and with the acceptance Seamus Coleman, none of those players played under that Beijing yet manifest exactly, precisely the same problems. So that would suggest it's a psychological thing behind the scenes. So that's the responsibility of upwards, not sideways. That comes from the people appointing him. The only you should say when you're looking for positives and immediate positive I would look at is that at least this time we've got Michael Brands and I was thinking about my I was just about to say his opinion on Michael Silver, however, is yet to be seen. But that he's got hold of the tiller and he's driving the ship as it were. That kind of gives me short to medium term. I wouldn't say contentment, but I'm pacified by it. But right now you look at it and there's 12 different problems with that setup. We were on this show. It's been a while since we've been on this show. I think one of the last times we were on this show, we were getting Michael Silver and the new manager alive and we said on that show this is this is not going to be all silver lions. It's going to be up and down and we are going to lose games and it's a long road. And so you've got to buy into it and even buy into it. I don't think right now by getting rid of silver it's going to change anything because I agree with David. We've had that many managers now, four managers in two years and we've had the whole host of different players and we still keep manifesting the same issues and the same problems. Even from a defensive point of view. I mean we've gone from the Liverpool game where we were flying and playing absolutely fantastic football at that particular point defending brilliantly to all of a sudden being defending like children and we're getting killed by these set pieces. Yeah and I just don't think really I think by calling for Michael Silver's head right now or calling for me from certain players, I don't think that's the solution because we've been there before and it's not been resolved you know it's not solved anything. Admittedly, all of the dice yet we all wanted them gone. But I think I agree with David. I think it's a psychological thing right now with those players. There's no confidence they seem completely disorganised but they're giving free kicks away straight after goals exactly when he shouldn't be exactly when you need to keep it tight exactly when you go straight after a goal you lock it down. I don't want to go hyperbole because we look like you might have gone over the top. But over that time period of five, six year time period it's we can't psychologically if you were looking at this as a test case it's getting into the realms of self-harm. Yeah it's genuinely it's all to keep doing this. Honestly God, if you were looking at it as a case study you'd say that's borderline self-harm you know the consequences of this and yet in the nanosecond before you commit that foul it doesn't dawn on you not to commit that foul because it's a free kick go away and you don't get the penalty as to do that. So it hasn't crossed your mind despite the fact in the game of playing right now it's happened right already. I'm telling you it's getting into the realms of self-harm. I mean you have to ask yourselves really how is the defence that was looking at half decent, half decent at a certain point. As you were saying earlier on you know they don't even see the two goals from corners. I was at defence going from that to looking fairly tight especially when you go to zoom in in that defence. I was going from looking fairly tight to looking terrified when there's a free kick and that's in the head and that needs a completely different sort of you've got to deal with that differently because you're not dealing with it's not about training someone out to kick a ball or out to out to work their own own marking or not work their own marking. That's in the head they look you know it's like as soon as that free kick is that pose books out we're all switching. We're all going out it's going to be a goal and the players are like you can see you know they're they're shitting themselves basically. He's set I mean the manager he's done his press conference today you know obviously he's questioned on it and he was he didn't quite clear he didn't want to dig any of the players out because it's not a style. He played everybody else. Of course well he'd have been playing golf he'd probably had to just be a part of you know on the thing yeah on the show. But he didn't care. There was some where he wanted to put his balls he'd done loads of work on a training ground and he said but when the players cross that white line and it's right it's collect it's responsibility. We've said it loads of times people will bang on about zone right doesn't matter if you're using zone or man marking because everything can see the goals over the years regardless whether we've used zone or low we haven't. Kevin McCliff said we use zone in the 80s that's all we used. The thing is though what we're doing is we keep throwing these idioms out about zone and marking man to man marking they all contain the operative word which is marking with somehow mark people if you look at the videos back I've only seen it live by the way but if you look at them back we patently we were doing many things but marking wasn't one of them certainly not collectively so then boys what you do you've played football we've all played football so what you do is in your team you've got your team then you've got your breakdown of sections within your team the defense get together and say listen last time we scored and two goals we let one it that was us yeah you switched off you went on to cover them and that's what happened so you start drilling each other within the team and is this the case or not? It reminds me of you know when you were a kid like you were a kid or whatever and you were your manager like we're going to do the offside track yeah and someone would always stay in because they were too nervous to come out yeah yeah and that's what it feels like it feels like players have just gone they're just abandon their jobs because it's like I've got to take responsibility for that and you look at that final goal and I've got four players being attracted to the first ball they all lost it so therefore when the ball drops down there's four no more players on the road but as I'm saying so it's like everyone it's just they've been told what to do but it's almost like they don't trust each other's roles in that job there's a general timidity but I can't blame them because because he's social media doesn't help now so he used to be just in the ground he'd throw the cushion did have a kickoff the paper had to say it then and then we'd have a week or three weeks so we were back there and he'd be like this is not like that this is it with your beard and your kid and and like that so you can understand the greatest psychological impact by way of example and to name drop for the second. Jimmy Bore rang me yesterday just to see how it went and how your light and what not and we were talking about it and Jimmy's a coach himself but I was talking about this half fella of our at least when we were garbage we were looking to balling and saying that's what it means to be an Everton footballer I've seen it and not this isn't necessarily it what I'm looking at here now but I know what it looks like I've seen it manifest myself to be the governor and to play in blue well we're going we're going not just one generation now we might be adding into two generations with an absence of those sorts and what they do if you don't mind me just carrying on for a second it speaks to the whole club. Dixie Dain was Mr. Everton that's why his statue's outside it wasn't just the goals and the thing it was the whole everything else what sends the message to the club this is the personification of who we are and we're missing it. But isn't that what we're missing though isn't that the whole point of what we're missing as a leader on the pitch and off the pitch see that's another thing I don't like about Silver and to me Silver's beige I honestly put my hand up to say do you know if you walked out today and we've seen this before I said to Bas what's the assistant's name what's the assistant manager's name? I watched him the other day and I still couldn't say the name. I don't know where his name is because that's how much interest I've put into this coaching staff because I couldn't when he was appointed I just went whatever. I come on here and said it I come on here and said it I don't actually believe him to be the manager to take his but now he's here I'm going to back. However in order for us and years we've all got here now but I'm not just not boast I'm just saying as a cross-section of topies but we've got years in as well experience I've seen a few things it seemed to me he come from left field he'd been sat by his last job and then got relegated to the one after that there was no real form by which he jumped to the head of the cube it seemed like he bit Mishiri's at that time it might have been plans behind him but to me it appeared like Mishiri had handpicked him well if you handpicked someone 10 months in the middle of the table generally in the middle of the table never mind about FA Cup matches or whatever whatever and your season being over before February he's gonna go he's a billionaire he doesn't seem the type of person in life generally to swap horses midstream for no particular reason because he could have done the same with alibis because we were 10 games from the end of the season and people were already blighting to get rid of him and he never listened that time so I've got I personally I've got it's too easy to blame him and I think he's a good manager I think he hasn't done anything that has made me go he's going to be a boss manager but he's no worse than anybody else the other thing is there's no one around no so it's relevant whether if he went your ass or he stays your ass it doesn't really matter the issue is on the pitch the issue's been on the pitch for years I've got to say this though we need to also again all of us with our experience to say our defence hasn't got problems and our goalkeeper I need to stress that because since I'm here he hasn't been the same either however that's one point put that on the back pain for the second but in our central if this was a spear attack at overhead go from that right the charlots and cigarettes and Gomez right go from there as the stem of your spear right all three of them post-amphil generally haven't turned up I watched Andre Gomez who we all three months four months into the season we just signed him on tomorrow I watched him at Southampton last week right and we were grim and him and Garnagay struggling against a non-entity of a Premier League team he two lads something fair play strength sucked up the ball held the two of them off pushed it out and tried to ping a ball out of Luchman on the wing Luchman was approximately four yards before where our bench was situated right the ball went into the stand ten yards away from him it was a 30-yard ball in his own half not under pressure not looking to score on their goal and he missed it by 10 yards so that says Achilles he looked marvelous in the centre forward roll since then he hasn't he falls over 10 times in every game the referee doesn't even look to see if he's getting a foul he's back to dummy say it's him since the lester goal hasn't really been anything he doesn't run back he can't tackle every time he slides the slide the ball through if it isn't sideways they just close up on him and block it off because that's how restricted we are we're trying to you know tap a thinking line through through a stone rock wall these better so we'll have to set you there and the absence of a centre forward there's four of the main six things what make up a football team and we've got that we said the best performance Sigarton for a while was barely away yeah and he played yeah he was in him and Gomez played deep Sigarton isn't a number 10 I said it when he came I've said it a million times because number 10s are busy and he's not going to go and he don't pass the slide he doesn't want to do that he wants to take dump he weighs in the goals which is great from midfield but he's the lad he likes to look up and play with the pins he does so at the moment for me it's him or Gomez he's an old-fashioned number 10 in the sense of he's a number 10 when never one used to play 4-4-2 so you have two lines of four and he's sitting in the middle of them but now no one plays that so you have someone and it's funny because I looked him last week we put a the previews in the middle off and said we're just going to sit this lad on him and he'll be he'll sort them and he did but when I read it he's a Premier playing he's a us at 19 team it no we'll just sit this lad on him and that's all he did because now that role that old-fashioned number 10 doesn't really exist no old-fashioned number 10s now played in front of the back four like payload because there's no space now because no one plays two lines of four they play a deep midfield there and that negating them where was where was really his best position last year for us playing deep because he's got the because you can see the shades he'll be we're gilfee's obviously a better legs than Wayne because obviously Wayne was on Wayne was on the Wayne part and the pun either being brought a bit better up front but gilfee that's where he's better because he gets his head up then you question whether you need Garner yeah because Garner after time Garner's having to make his own recovery because it's such a but what I'm saying the actual the midfield three aren't working no but my larger point was it's all about form we spoke before about before Zuma got brought out of defence at Chelsea and he played Mina and then everyone says you've got to play Mina because the other fellas on loan and we've got to keep him absolutely loaded shitting don't mind me saying so it all went west from there in my opinion or started going down that team only because no but now I could eat but now it the form has shifted to defence when in fact going forward we've been off for ages to walk us being out of it the other side wing has been out of it I've just named you three players at the top of our team who basically are ineffectual so it's what I'm saying is we've had Seamus Coleman's been picked out this season for this form too well there's only Dean he's got a wavery basically right the way through apart from Saturday he's been the standout man to be honest with you however it says here that this this it's now how long we got left in the transfer when the three four days so looking like this if we're gonna this is the end we're going to be playing for the rest of the season so irrespective we have to work on that because never mind yeah we've got five big ass games our own coming and these season tickets here season tickets they're gonna let you know if you keep if you keep doing this like what I had to watch at Millwall they're gonna let you know let me just say this because I was defending silver the thing about it is he's he's got he's made mistakes as well so he's not I'm not I'm not giving him a free pass because he doesn't deserve it because it's about no it's not the whole day because what he's got to do right is he's got a he's got a show his managerial ability right he's won stuff in other countries and all of that right he's come here he had a mixed bag he almost kept hold up when he would go on he would get 11 points when he took over and he got within a week of staying up that's what food was a bit different whatever anyone says whatever the reason so he's coming here but we could have pep guard the whole of taking over in august and we'd be where we are at christmas because he hasn't got the players to play now this is what we've said if you haven't got the players to play the way you want and you have to come up with a way of playing that was one of the real slagging for though in that when I came here I said to you it wasn't the videos are on your feed now go back and look at them and I said on that show people were casing me on twitter saying you get behind them I said it my opinion is I don't think he's up to the job but my opinion doesn't matter because this is the great of good we don't all give our lives this is just so I can stand on a chair screaming this is collective advancement is what we are and he also said I'm not gonna that's what I believe and he also said I'm not gonna like but what I am gonna do I did expect when he was sold to me the idea of him part of the reason he was sold to me was he's tactically flexible he can look at this see what's happening at half time and change in the second half well I'm selling you now two days into the season he looks an awful lot like cumin an awful lot like man it's not that much if they got something as regards that specific aspect of change the in the game got something like fringe farm where like there's a tactics board on the wall and it's set to four five one and they're like lads we can't afford this is the most expensive tactic board in the world and ffp won't let us buy a new tactic board it's like it's like it's in market we can't change it it's payable I think he's a very very different type of manager than than cumin I think he's a different manager than madness and I think his the big test for him right now is not managing those are working with those players on the training grounds aware it's about it's about managing those players in the head yeah that's what because a lot of it is it was here and I've and he's whether or not he's the person to take it forward or not right now he's going to say whether he can change the mentality of some of them players right now he's the presence and what going back to what I was going to say before was I just want to see some leadership from yeah that's all I want I want to see some lead when I when I listen to him press conferences he talks for 20 minutes and I come out with it not understanding and I don't mean that in no I know what you mean it's kind of generic I should know what you mean it's just answers and there's no I don't hear anything that one thing whether you think it's spiel or whether you think it's right one thing we have to say if we're going to review him honestly review him one thing we have to say in his defense and I'm on the fact I wasn't a supporter I'm just that way so I can't be accused of it now one thing we have to say he was the first manager we've had in 15 years of including moys saying first things first we're going to go to the top five and attack them no yeah and that was music to our ears at the time and he did that so that at that point is good will but that's what I'm saying was that was that even at man city we got beat well beat on the day but we had we scored the goal we got the shards and Schilder scored the game might have been so the game might have been different so in his in his board of pros and cons he said he was going to do that and then he's done it so to fall off so spectacularly to to to use it that's a greatly derogatively it's it's kind of that concerns me moreover that I watched I tell you we're really upset me recently you've mentioned barely down well I went to Brighton two days later by a nondescript physical face the vision look and work at their side and they just bullied us out the game and we had absolutely no answer to it so I'm saying this is this is what I'm seeing I'm seeing so I'm applying no caveat but I need them I need them if he is here next year I need them to be pinned on the door at the last game of the season when the whistle goes and he walks out and he knows he's got that job that's the Monday's job from here no matter who comes in what's done was like all of that needs but that's also about leadership though I don't see the leadership from the manager transferring to the play it's not no you want to see your plays aggressive you want to see them come out full of full of fire and you know set pieces certainly defender I don't see from the manager I just see I actually seen getting smaller and smaller and smaller and he he's looking to shovel than he's starting to with the old day but that's it buddy I want to see him come in looking clean cook going we'll we'll get to the bottom of this but all I see him is when he talks I just a mumbling I don't hear anything clear clear when the manager goes out I've said this when the manager goes and talks to a to a media company he's talking to us directly what what what else is media there for the day for us so he's talking directly to us as fans I want it to be in there and be clear what I hear is mumbling and they're never to be a a punter what he's saying I just wanted to be clear and be be strong and be up be like we'll get to the bottom of this we have something last week where we about like brands and I want someone to come out of the club as well and go not out of out of confidence just we know what's going on we we've got this idea going forward and don't worry as much about what's going on in the pitch this is all part of everything growing but what the club just seems to do what it loves to do just I'll tell you I think it's the thing that we think if I don't think the fans and the way social media is these are we haven't got the patience for that no we've really really haven't if if if someone from the club comes out and said that they've got watching down the road it just be a pin to that and in a month's time can I just cancel that point I'll tell you what I'd like on that level it's not actually to do something it's not proactive it's reacting please stop putting out everything's fine videos to the week will you please stop it and get it with the link the evidence the community thing we're kind of a different club than everybody else with old names with our fans no yeah we don't want to see that it's nice to forget retweeting that no honest to god because when you get beat on saty then kids on the bus coming home they're not nearly enamoured by it so what you need to do is turn that right down and start scoring goals and stopping goals at the other end of the pitch and everyone's mood will improve exponentially then you can do it everyone's mood will obviously i'm saying we're playing into it we're shooting ourselves in the foot by doing stupid things at stupid times to be fair to what your reference and note the whole thing last week no it's not specifically that's more the videos from the training ground laughing about as if it all goes it's great no stopping ever didn't actually have allow any media no no it wasn't for that reason for that reason but you're right you're right about that kind of stuff with that because we don't have fans we don't fall for it it's not just that it's paper and over the cracks you do that in good times like barry said they're going this thing if it had come before christmas every one of them did about two thousand never mind two hundred fifteen thousand it's just it's just like somebody needs to have checked the pulse of what's actually going on on the pitch it's side guys the year now what on satity going into we done the preview and we knew that day big rocks throwing balls into the box and we were saying let's play three at the back let's get our three big donkeys the zoom and me and the king and let's defend stuff so we surprised that he went with a four because it smacked the bairnly this game to me going there we need the results we went to bairn he played three at the back dominated the game all right they had a couple of chances but we had a lot let's go far and then we roll out that same formation that doesn't do anything no i just couldn't believe you only meant with three cents well it's not working for us is it that's a system you know i mean but it was obviously i you know we was obviously frightened of something or not so frightened or maybe considered something i considered that that physical physical side of the game that i think he was scared of going big go behind i think i think there's no is it that the thing about is it we went three at the back as well we could go three still have three at the back so still have three in the middle and go two up front instead of having instead of having like a bairnly we had center forward and two wide why don't we just let the wing backs be the be the wide men yeah and you could still have shickets and go miss you can't even you've got three but that's a problem no that's i'm saying you've got three at the back you can still have Coleman you can still have you can still have Dean you can have three in another park you can still have Ghana instead plate ocean and cowl that's another thing i'd do that too and rotate them now because what you're doing is you're letting predictable teams predict what you're doing yeah it's really not good boys so we're back to the tactical tactical flexibility yeah this is what i was unsure about this is what with me reticence last season in that video stemmed from this because i just genuinely didn't see it i i was saying actually lotty because i wanted to somebody with no i'm not saying it would have been perfect i needed years in his legs experience in this league where he confronts up a big manager and know he's he's likely as likely to get the the better of him as he is available and i didn't see that however but if tactical flexibility was in the job description well we've got another three and a half months now it's time for him to start bringing so i totally agree but then we Arsenal we had to be the best side Arsenal Liverpool we had so i'm saying i've seen Manchester United it's not it's not manifesto it's only been very sparsely whacked us yeah and that was beat and that i mean that day that day was bizarre because as a player when we went three one down that defense should have gone why are we why are we running up to the just go one ball yeah and he don't and this is the problem you played you said that before we've all played footy right and people go it's silver it's silver it's silver it's silver right because they want to blame the manager like the never the players it's never the players fault it's the manager but as a player i was a fucking moan and bastard i was no right no no right because at moan at moan if you didn't pass me the ball because i wanted to score at moan if you didn't get back i'm poor at tackling and everyone else would moan defenders of moan of me by miss sitters and moan of them if they let go of it aren't you any of it there's no either of it she called the loo and it's all dancing and one 40 yards over the bar by the way when it was easier to score and then done the Ashley Williams and i'm like stop doing that they don't tight our shirts or they can't move them because i'm fed up of seeing everton players with the shirts over the red yeah fucking stand up and be counted as men forget the manager forget him on the side go out and pull each other up he went over to lucid the element stop giving free kicks away he's super bastard stop it no does it injury time half way line they're going no but this is a limited football team with half way line stand the kid up he's not going to beat you for skill because you haven't got any stand them up no foul give the referee makes it yeah i said it's your outside the thing what spoke to me most about it i kind of whatever we fucking do win loads or draw and i'm still gonna go but the thing what stuck with me on saturday is that we scored twice two times and the equalize straight away and these are these are let's not call them poor but let's just say them where could they have any sign didn't so then didn't do anything so then we did it on the god damn date the last thing you just said about why didn't he pick three centre rs i think he's because three centre rs invite them on to you so then therefore don't let them get the first goal he would on the Friday he would have been saying this crowd is the only thing they've got to rate you with don't let them get the first goal he never got the first goal we got the first goal yet within two minutes we let them get an equalizer however that that calamity that titanic of an event what's just happened there wasn't enough to prevent exactly the same thing happening 40 minutes later if you can't see that's an issue whether it's a problem we don't know yet because we don't haven't got it's how you played the three of the back isn't it because spares play spares played three at the back and that's so you can have more plays advanced did you've got wing backs and you're up and down which we should have but spares they play the three of the three yeah they do play three at the back but they can move that ball no i agree with that board i'm saying this is not going to be a game like that you know in a game like that you know what you're going to get if you have three big lads at the back who all they have to do you'll you say you stand there you stand then you stand there and you've got the the back covered we should be able to deal with that all day we've got dean on for the first goal at the back post the balls come across because we always lose the first ball that's the problem that's always the problem no one ever no one ever scores first time if you watch it no one ever scores first no no it's it comes in and then they win the edit and they either bounce off the post or something and they knock it in the first one it's dean dean's got two at the back two at the back two massive grocks at the back stuff like that should just not be going and that's where the alarm bells are ringing for me though with with this with this cultured player no i know but i when i'm saying it i know but bats the alarm bells everywhere ring up for me if the manager can't get it through to the players then get get more get more good feeling because i've watched more good feeling do you know what you can fucking head the ball over not just that though it's how many videos do you want to watch do you do you not these are fucking football to get under that 70 grand a week so so you finish your way right you didn't you're trying to get into international teams so you go home and surely you look at them yourself surely you yourself and it might not be your fault so you're looking now and saying that was soft ass that was in me switched off there all it was me i switched off there so the next week the last thing you'd be looking to do and you turn on to yourself but you're getting the changes to your making today remember that last week let's make sure that doesn't happen again that's even that is the same yeah see i'd have jags i'd have jags playing in the other field if jags was fit i would honestly i don't think it'll make a bland bit of difference but he's the kind of player i know you mean you just go you'd look around and at least all right you mind you wasn't a great captain in terms of the shelves anymore but he would tell someone now he'd tell him there's just there's no leaders even colman colman when colman wasn't a captain no he used to scream at most no he used to scream at most because they've got 10 years together and he knew he could have he could fucking and that off the bit it's sad none of these players look like they've got that kind of relationship where they can bollock each other remember like when you film level science it was captain within a week and telling people on the first day what the fuck are you doing yeah that's what that's maybe what i don't know if there's any those kind of players that's about that's also about the ownership of your role on the pitch yeah then you said to the you said to the earlier on it's like once the boss said we'll say once they cross that white line once they once they cross that they're on the pitch yeah it's down to that i think i mean a lot of it is but the thing is is i think i definitely think there's a there's a once it starts to go wrong and it's definitely mentality because i mean if it's not about zonal market before that's not even that wasn't zonal market no that was not zonal market it wasn't even market you can't blame zonal market you know what i mean even as players you'd go when they get the balls on the half way line and their fellas throw it you'd be standing in the box so fucking mad we just concede it everyone in this year come on let's move on that note nobody the second goal the second goal we concede it obviously via yaw with a brood around yeah but if we hadn't had that then he was still standing in the middle of the shit yeah again so and this was another side of it if that had gone in and you can see here on the big screen or the rest of it chelsea man United Liverpool that game wouldn't have kicked off for five minutes that wouldn't have kicked off for five minutes but you got the chance and we know that no we got three boots didn't we had the time so soon i think it was get everyone get everyone get everyone but he was about to do that he was about to do that get them all get them all we are a team of shit but i agree we're too nice but i'm saying is if we don't fucking let them do that we won't even have to go to the referee it wasn't the first yeah the second goal and there was a third to come in my personal opinion sitting in the ground watching it that's the biggest issue because we've got we're gonna go against teams better than us now alone because we've got away with it first time so so the examination instead of coming up for me that i have 12 on a saturday when some people are watching some people are online most of them are to be honest they're just living their lives this is going to be right under the microscope and every mistake will be magnified so what we need to do now is it imagine going to go up and then them coming back the red shape for example let's throw that on the way to the league can you imagine what the the action will be at that point so i'm saying to them that is literally the house not just being on fire but the roof falling in on top of here so preventing in the interim period put the goddamn fire out and then come back to me at the end of the season when you get marked on it and i'll give you points for it because i'll have known the mountain you will have had to climb to solve that problem do that face manifest that face as a statement no fucking videos or no smart ass things from the training ground just that please for this show give us videos of keeping clean sheets yeah give us one of them a week i'll be fucking quite happy thank you very much but i mean that's the actually off the defense i mean the offensive i don't want to talk about the offensive because i think it's just as bad it's fucking garbage i'm watching i mean like you were saying before these problems are the problems that we've had all season and you know we went next door when we were doing the derby and they were talking and bigging us up and you know i said you know have you seen we don't score enough goals and we haven't got a methodology yeah the way martinez had a methodology as flawed as it might appear and i would like to analyze but martinez was trying to be spoke because it was the anti moise uh it was like the hallelujah moment for us so we could see it the face here is exactly what i'm talking about do you mean it i'm not qualified for martinez i need that to be clear i'm trying to give you the juxtaposition so we had a methodology i came on atu and you asked me about kumin i said i've been watching for a year and i can't i couldn't honestly tell you well now the only thing you can't you go well the car who's not there no more and it's been two seasons and we haven't replaced and we still haven't got a problem he sends it forward so so that's good when you judge silver that has to be factored in the fact that he hasn't had lakaku and we haven't even had anybody particularly chosen sound but he can't play week to week in this league because it's just too mobile unless unless you put it on his head unless we change the way we play unless you play you change the way you play for him but even if you didn't do that they just push out on you and he's far enough from gold that he had to get the difference in quality though between him and kalvin finishing yeah absolutely finishing once he sees the gold you're the kid but what i'm saying is in my opinion i've done two i don't know what you feel keep but they seem like one center forward between the two of them so why why not give them if you could make it together it is it's time to give them a game together i know but what i'm saying is you're taking two places out of the team where it should be what would be haven't got but not if you're not if you play three if we play three at the back we could get away we're playing them up front i think if your full backs if your wing backs become your wit if you abandon having having the wit the way we have at the moment i know i mean for a couple of games like that for a game like that why not turn up and go use a middle up we're playing two up front because he expects go go he's going to do all the running carvel doing and he's going to tap it in at the end the thing is about it is is is is the method they were using to get forward was basically a long ball to get into the final there try and get i'm going to see so if you were to go three up front and just keep their back four in a line moving nowhere for the foreseeable future what you do then is put the owners on their sentiment field and your sentiment field is on more money than the rest of their whole team so you'd say on it on a 10 game run they'll be better than them so you did the other thing as well is you know shames colman's been marvellous for 10 years like but he's on the way out he's coming here in the story can't do because that role is incredibly incredibly tough to be able to run 100 yards every 10 times a game and be on it like but if you play three if he's going to play colman if he's going to play these if he's looking around the squad and he goes don't fancy john joe he's not ready don't fancy him yet and i haven't got another of course the other right back playing for west prom and taking the piss out of people and all of that so i've only got shames and he's number one help him out yeah you play three and go to shames there's a favor mate play 15 yards higher up the pitch yeah and then your sprints become 60 yards instead of 100 yards lucadine will do it all day play day think you've got if you play on the cave i know he did you can even have two midfield players and then you can have a do the three however you want them but you can have two centre forwards and then someone busy and that business can be either banard or it can be luchman because animal luchman is never a winger and he never will be a winger because he doesn't beat the man in pork crosses he likes to knock it in get it back he's a school yard footballer a sleep footballer bam but he'll roll it's both ways get shots away it's mix it up if he does that to me i'll go you know what he's trying to find some reasons they have got no problem i don't love it if we carry on with four two one three and all that till the end of the season i'll be kicking silver's ass because he isn't doing anything to try and arrest it it's the same shit every day more over i've just said yeah in my opinion up to now then he's probably taking it for the season him or michael keane in my opinion haven't gone to see every minute of every game the point being he identified that very problem walking in the front door about leighton baines straight away and said he's been fantastic he's been it without winning trophies and even easing the pantheon of non-sophie winning players who's ever played for easing the right of the front row that means that's the same as he's gave us yet he identified it anyway well i'll tell you now that it might be that you've got to do that i said to you before about the defense martin is the defense and the same problems well sheamus is the only relic from it at the moment to be honest i'm not blaming him for it he's not each but it it's time i mean that i mean that and that i'm gonna let me just say that might be a star might be finished it just might be at least one yeah yeah yeah that might have been identified because the rumors that might be the only thing that could happen this week this kid yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but if that's getting used and then it sounds like he hasn't identified his fingers the fingers are common i don't know about we'll use but i just know what i'm watching i actually play well in this game by the way i think he still plays well but he's just not got that spark at the end yeah he's lost a bit of peace he's definitely lost a bit of peace when he came back and he ran down the side of the camp people been talking about atmosphere you've been tweeting about atmosphere well we did jay was coming turn the atmosphere in a single 60 second moment so say it that was only a team oh no yeah less than a year well nine months ten to eleven months back when he ran down the way what i'm saying to you is let's not write people off but if he's identifying things on one side i've repeat me what i said before i have replied no caveats on him i haven't been saying you're doing this right or wrong because i wanted him to go through the experience of this season and himself know where we've got made we've been like with one bushaka he got to be once yeah right moony ain't no no but it's it's good i don't know it's good i mean i didn't i identify them but i identified god he's shaking i was just about to say i'd never got identified yeah all right but then other managers haven't yeah i've been martin ish couldn't identify in the fucking shelf in a minute he could identify the pin for the crash card so there you go right but what i'm saying again what i'm saying i'm coming to identify a few things and help me yeah but what i'm saying to you is love that is a very good shopping here it is it's a real number yeah literally but i want to boss but i wanted him to identify footballers as well because that was his job right but what i'm saying is he asked quite clearly because he wants one bushaka whether he might be able to get him of course but he wanted him moony ain't being mentioned there's another couple right so he's locked there right back center for the center forward is the issue but if we haven't got any room to get any of those players there's not much he can do it this moment in time so what he's got to do for me is look within the squad and this i don't think is what he's doing this is where if he's gonna be anything's leveled at him and i'm gonna level it at him is he only trust 13 players he's got a squad of 27 which is which is a massive problem because over christmas four games and i think he used 13 players not just that maybe 40 you're removing form from your players it was an algorithm form send them off and injuries i've got to be primarily in that when you are tired because there are mega factors in that and what are you doing with 13 players you are removing the possibility of bad form because until you do you can't even before bright and don't forget we had another shock on the season in that spanish game we were winning one of them don't score that you know something that is given tune ill down is a different christmas palace is a different thing and now they didn't have ali in king but i'm saying it's here and they haven't scored in five away games before i know but we'll what i'm saying is tune ill down in a game is a lot different than being 1-0 within two minutes but what i'm saying is after that we went to bernie changed it we won five won then don't forget andrey gohme has linked off in that spanish game and i was getting new and some of the journalists were saying he's touching go for any of the christmas fixtures three days later he started bernie did yeah like they were brilliant he won five won but we were going to a game on the saturday against a decent yeah like physically side physically knew how to play we were going there like we're gohmes haven't just got through the bernie game he should have freshened that team up yeah going down there because it was physically demanding there's a third game in six days and we knew we had less the city three days like two days later so that's for me where he should have looked at that and gone we need to replace him and him in midfield we can have gohmes on the bench if we need someone to come on with 25 minutes left and get the ball down and pass it right and left we'll do that but he didn't he kept the shame and he's going why have you mixed that up why did he like don't want to call the loom why did he come out down to Charles and went back in when he linked well but but now he came out and he's going why are you mixing that's where i think he's he's made mistakes now yeah he's got to prove himself i think there's also the thing that you mentioned i think about everybody's trust in 13 players i mean i only trust 13 players you know he's not on his own there i mean he's not even snarling in or tommy davis you know under pressure these are going to kick off i don't give a fuck who kicks off i'm saying less no no no it's not me point being is stop being fucking terrified of everything that goes on this club is permanently terrified of a few fucking fans all the time to terrified you said it before about putting videos out but if they want to put videos out the fuck you Dave do you know what i mean that's what i'm saying that's the attitude but if you're asking if you're asking me as a magical fan i was the only one of us in that ground and i agree and you're asking me when we're walking down the stairs on the way out are the videos working fuck you day no i'd say fuck you they're really not what i say fuck you now as these now they're really not well as i've got to grow up though they've got to start showing leadership that's what i'm saying and the videos is one thing but if a few people start kicking off about tom davis yeah so fucking what i see was exactly but i asked you on a plane exactly but people the club i agree with that i agree with that with the videos Dave i'm just making a point about that but it's the thing remember moise right what do you like moise or not remember when you used to make a decision and everyone would go oh fucking hell and he used to go right and he used to go see a fucking told you remember he bought anna jb on the game and everyone went oh and he took his coat off and threw it remember the bone when we were getting beat and he both had to go on and everyone what the fuck you're doing there that way you're fucking there that way you're flying your front and flying your scores and i didn't get and i didn't get sweeps it in you've got to ask people at the club who go you just pay your fucking money let me do it let me do it and that's what we had you know you're a musician everything yes well yes i'm telling them and you absolutely you're off and i'm singing more songs and all of that right and it's someone if you've got dissent you know people going well okay they don't think that that's not gonna work don't fucking let him play the best and you're going now i can see the whole the way to do it or a lift but people are going but you've gotta you've got to ultimately make a decision yeah yeah but you're going to make a decision you're going to believe fundamentally uh between football and music i mean for the creative decisions that you make and you've got to ultimately have that full picture. You do have to know we believe in this and this is the fucking this is the director. If we're gonna have to talk about it I'll talk about it. I mean when we said we wanted to release as an independent label all together now as a Christmas record we were told by our distributor not to do it. We were told by our pluggers and everyone don't do release at Christmas. You'll get lost because you compete against Madonna and you compete against Cliff Richard. That's not what we've got to talk about. And we said fuck you, we want to do it. So you have to have that belief, we knew that record when we listened to it in the studio because it sucks to do the record. We knew when we did that. We listened to it back and go off and now no fucking beat. Fuck them and their opinion and we want to be completing we're fucking competing. We're fucking Cliff Richard, we're not asked that's where we're headed. And so we had to tell them that's what we're fucking doing. But this is what we saw before we said I want someone from the club. Someone like Brands because he's the only one we've been believing. I'm not gonna say I'm just believing but imagine if Brands come out and just went no the atmosphere of Goddison, it's terrible. It's hateful. And everyone went and someone said it was about time someone said that. I think it's the same with the others. If Brands come out and see this fellow we believe in him, all right, it's not great at the moment. Get behind him because you know what? Nothing's changing. And if he wants to play this player, that's up to him. If he doesn't want to play, that's what I mean by the leadership of the club. Listen, we fall into the trap all the time. I think everyone falls into the trap. Be strong now when you make a decision. Be strong. Don't be strong by it. That's what you suppose it is. When you make a decision, particularly when you're making decisions on behalf of other people, collective decisions, you make an individual decision yourself, which then affects the collective, then you really do need leadership. That's where people can get behind. If you've gone to Brighton, I know you did. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You've gone to Brighton. You go fucking everybody. I know all right, go on. And you get the team and it's like Tom Davis is playing. Are you going to go fucking I'm getting off? I'm not. I'm not. So people would. So people would get up and go because if they would, they're not ever Tony's mates. If Tom Davis plays and he's shite, I've got no problem with 300, 500 Everton fans going, he's fucking awful to them. But he's got to play it. I can't play him because these people might not like it. I think it's a spillover. I think it's a psychological spillover. I think genuinely, whether it's right or wrong is not actually what I'm saying here. I'm just saying, I believe it is a genuine fact that happens. And it's one of the reasons, fundamental reasons behind the fact that he only plays up to a bar, half a bar actual squad, even the substitute bench. Do you think he's literally just looked at them and saying, I've gone, you can't do what I want you to do? I think there's elements of that, yeah. Maybe. And they also think, it's 75% that way. It's probably no way to give them some credit at the only thing. I don't know if this is true. I think Brands has done that as well. One of the things he did come out and say, he said that at the start of the season, you know, you're too many players, you've got to get your way, structure right. I did say, I'm out of go-fix. I did say that it's fair to say it might be a battle leadership, but that's leadership for me. And he's basically, and I think we're in the roundabout way, what he's basically saying is, for what you want, for the type of football that we want to be playing, we haven't got the tools for it. But that sounds, I want to win. I must say this, whether it's in his defence, I don't know. We went to Black Bay in that place, he was friendly. And I walked out of there before we'd gone into the transfer window as it was. And honest to God, I'd come out of that ground and looked at him and said, I'm telling you now, this is going to be a graft. This was a graft. No, but by the time we played Black Bay and we were a week away from the start of the season, nine days, and we had nothing to talk. So when I was getting asked, then, my opinion of what our season's likely to go by, I kind of based it on that and said, I think we'll struggle, we'll win games, lose games, we should have won, win games, lose games, we were in it, and we didn't, and throw it away both ways. And that will be the learning process. The thing is done now, is we're on the other side of the Christmas now, and we still appear to be manifesting the same naivety and the same. We're a win, as we were recording this, we're a win off seventh place. So if Everton say it a bit about, and we battled with the other five teams, they were all the same, they win one week. West Ham beat Arsenal and then go and get done at Bournemouth, and then they don't have to go by AFC, Wimbledon by the way, which is worse than our results, on the whole of it, where Wimbledon are, where West Ham. In the greatest games. And hope doesn't give us any fucks. Of course it doesn't. But if Everton win, there's 15 games left. If it's five wins, five draws, five defeats. And we end up seventh by a point or fucking whatever, right? What will people say? They'll go, I'm boss there, we've been eight last year, I'm now seven. It'll just turn into back to, you know, bipolar 11, you know what I mean? And you're openly qualification. I'm going to ask you a question. Would you say that this team now in any way, shape or form, psychologically, physically, as a unit, tactically, or any other fact that you might come up with, are they ready for any sort of European football at present? If psychologically, they cannot go to Millwall and defend after scoring two goals. Again, I think that's symptomatic of the problem. I think this season, our league position isn't relevant, because we've got that much of a job to do. It's, it's, it's, well, that's short of me points. So we're getting it out. Because I want to try and see this, people will look, right? It's like I said before, if we don't, yeah, if we don't go on Saturday, we're the one throughout the last four games, right? So people will go, but if you listen to everyone else, we haven't won since September, right? If everything went tomorrow, we'll cut this field, right? We go seventh, if these ulters, right, we're seventh tomorrow night. Then people will start going, can they catch these teams at the moment? And you go, and I'm going to seventh, I'm going to seventh. That's what you're saying. So there's then five places, you're saying it's irrelevant. That's great to me. Your level added enough to go. Well, I go to every game and I can see, and if we're better, right, that's the long game. And everybody said, and we all said it, and everybody, or most evertonians said it, there'll be 10% who didn't want them, fine, no issue with that. They didn't want them, great, and they might want to be proved, right? I always want to be proved wrong, if it's good, if it's good, if it's good. So if we've got Dominic Alderloo, and at this moment in time, I don't think he's good enough to be leading the line for us. I think he's a decent impact. So, right, but not more please me more if he played a Huddersfield tomorrow, scored two. Scored two against Wolves at the weekend, was outstanding till May, and had a T-shirt going, bass, shut the fuck. I've been made up because I want evidence to win. I don't give a shit about going, I was right with that. I don't care, I don't care. I want evidence to win that the bit. And getting older every fucking year, we're getting older, and we're getting way every day, and we are getting further away from where I want us to be, right? And it's great saying this season's a write-off, that's great for you, because you won't be on Twitter tomorrow, or Facebook, or fucking whatever. I bet you won't be on going hashtag silver out. Oh no, oh no, no, no. But people will, people will, because no one's patient, no one, everyone's said when he come in, and Brand's coming. Like you just said this, this is going to take time, and it's going to be shit. This season's going to be shit. We said it, we said it on this very, very show, and you said it, you said it to the cameras, we're going to lose games, and we're going to lose a few of them. It's not going to be, it's not going to be fixed in one season. And it isn't, and we're going to do that, it's just whether or not, as we sort of say, in my, my edge, whether or not he can manage the psychology. I take what would be interesting for me, until he gets the team that he wants. I take what would be interesting for me, say we saw Garnett this week, and we brought this kid in his right back, and Garnett goes out to see him, and Coleman goes out to the team, and let's say it's three at the back, that would be what, eight of his, eight of his players in the side. He'll finish. Let's just say that happened, but then, where does the psychology come into because of their own new players? Why are they baddened by this thing? So there's, this is that thing, that's the thing. So where does it come from, where does it come from? Coleman is the only physical relic. So does that, so let's not, so let's not, let's throw it out as a hypothesis, and say, let's not try and answer it, let's just throw the question out and say, how is that even possible? How is that even possible in a business of results where all these millions and billions of pounds over a decade period are coming in and nobody is paying attention to this actual thing. It's like going to work and leaving the gas on, and just saying, I'm saying it's 25 to one, then a wind will come through and blow it against the curtain and set the house on fire. I'm saying, I'm gambling on that one. But the question is ridiculous. What's the gas? No, but I'm, I have it in football club. Yeah. Well then, what you'd have to say is, the fellas coming, it's a lot, listen, he's coming to take over our club. It's a 20-year job. So to try and turn the Titanic around in the first 10 minutes, that's a problem, but I want to, I want him to tell me that I'm turning it around because I've identified there's a Jesus big iceberg right ahead of us. I might not be able to do it in the bad now, but I've recognized the problem and I'm attempting to do something about it. And that's what we're saying, that's going back again to what we said before, brands need to be the mouthpiece. Marco Silva, right? Hasn't got enough gravitas with the other zones. He hasn't. It's not going great. If ever my fifth playing great football and he come out, man, listen, I'm being honest with you, it's still a bit of a jump to even try to get in that top four. Oh, we were seventh and we were nine. Let's be honest, we've blown seventh. We should've, if we'd have won itself after me, there'd have been seven. Less debt around, we'd have been seven. Right, but it isn't there at the moment. It's all made up. So he hasn't got, he hasn't got, if we're paving over the cracks, it's given him time to get to the summer to go the right back. He won Dave. There he is. The centre for the bar. He won. Actually, there he is. I tell you what I will say, in order to get that seventh place, we'll have to win three of those five on games against the big teams. He does do that and I see the performances and, and the difference from now to then. I might start to care them, but yeah, as long as one of them is in the city, then yeah, but my point is it's all things are still possible. Of course. But right now, I'd say his first job is improved tactically. Yeah. Stop shooting yourself in the goddamn foot against. We're going to play teams better than us in the future. We made those mistakes against Leicester, Brighton and Millwall, for example, and they're not even as good as us. Southampton. Southampton was even worse. So I'm saying to you, that is on his toes. If I'm going to be playing anything down his feet, those ones that he can take, the rest will see where it goes. But right now, I'd say there be issues for tomorrow morning. Again, that's the message though, isn't it? Like Pett said before, we've done it last week and he was saying we want brands. Because I just think, I think brands can address it. I think brands can come out and go, atmosphere, not good enough for Goddison. Get behind them. Right, Marco, all right, results are crap at the minute. But we believe in them. We've identified positions, we need to strengthen, blah, blah, blah. Because he's straightforward brands. He's not on the players toes. I would say to the players, but we also believe we've got a team here that should be doing far better. And players aren't doing it. Why aren't they doing it? They have to look at themselves in the mirror. He can say that because Marco can almost go, Mishiri did it. It's not my fucking place. Mishiri did it the general mean, exactly. Everyone suck at that it was about the man, isn't it? But he could have been easily turned on to play and saying, 11's not good enough. I just worry that we don't, we can't get too far into being a hit digger's brush syndrome. You know what I mean? Like it's had four different heads and when it's actually, but it's now his team, we keep on blaming other people. It's not at the moment. But when does it become his team? It's got to have a full scene. You've got to start blaming him for being his team. When it's 11 players over this. Like I said before, if he gets to the summer brings another five in and we shift out eight, but then Pickford still gets in it because he deserves to. Guilfie forces his way in because his form's good enough. Right? Or whatever, then that becomes his team. It's not his team and Seamus Coleman's still playing. And you've got, and you know, Dominic Calvert. I don't believe Ahmed Fil is mobile enough. No. If you're asking me to watch the game every year, I'm saying to you, it's, it doesn't matter who we pick from our roster of players. There's no combination. We feel good together whereby that changes. That's a problem. The move feels like what you saw before with the centre forwards. There's three players in it and they're all like, they all, there's plays in well football who can do all three jobs. Those three players don't want that. We've got three and now that makes them one, bro. Something like the corner for me would eliminate Ghana and Gomez and one player or even Ghana and Guilfie and one player. But it also gives you the physical pressure in the other box. It's all, it's all, it's all about shotting and how they play the free to back and, and, and the, but they have a midfield that can move the ball into passes on any penalty area. Yeah. But we've done that inside. Brighten it out. Brighten it out. Oh, corner. Like a, no, corner. Oh, you said it before. It's about the spine. Sensor forward. And a centre back who will, who will dominate and I mean dominate Michael Keane. He's just the quietest man on earth. I think that stops him being a great player. If you, if you, I tried to say to you before about Southampton, it was Zuma trying to take the responsibility of doing that job and he added it out. The Q got a pasta behind him. Five seconds later it's in our net. It's just been individually and collectively it's been, it's more than a worry. It's not, not a concern anymore. We're onto the next level after that. So it's to conclude in this first part is as we go into the first part of the game. Jesus. No, we'll show you. But what I'm saying is those, those games are going to be like ANC fences for them. It's like the Grand National now. He's on the second round now and he's got the chair and beaches and these are big individual barriers within a greater race. You've got big barriers to climb yourself, individual barriers within this greater thing. I'd say that's where he finds himself right today to be honest with you. I think to be honest, it's six points so on on this week. It's got to be, it's got to be. Wolves game, chatty, I fancy every other game. It'll be open but they can punish us. Others feel the wider bottom believe with 11 points. Makes absolutely no difference. But we have to arrive and go, you know what, like we did when we went there last year. We were in crack form last year and we went there and social scored and we got the first goal and we defended properly. Well, these lads are capable of defending properly. So it's about now. It's about now going, you know what, these aren't scoring. These are not scoring past us today because they're not good enough and we're going to prove and if the players can do that this week, if we can set it for weeks, if, fucking if, but if we could get to Saturday night with two wins then everything looks, the world's a different place, isn't it? Yeah. Dear Abbey, big thanks to Dave, big thanks to Keith. He has dissected this one to bits. Let us know your thoughts in the comments if you haven't already subscribed. Please do click the bell for the list and if you want more great videos, join us on Patreon. We'll see you later. Peace.