 This is James Swanick with Alcohol-Free Lifestyle and today I'm handing the reins over to my Project 90 top coach, Victoria English, who is a wonderful woman from Denver, Colorado who has been coaching all of our Project 90 clients to get long-term power over alcohol. I asked Victoria to step in and interview one of our graduating clients, a lovely woman by the name of Michelle and I think that's it. I should just hand over to Victoria from here. Nice to have someone different than me. You're probably, you know, maybe you like the soothing tones of my voice, but we can spice it up a little bit and have Victoria step in and host the podcast today. Just a reminder, there are details in the show notes of this episode where you can get my guide that will give you long-term or at least sort of walk you through the process that I give to my clients on how to get long-term power over alcohol. So if you'd like to reduce alcohol, you want to quit, if you want to reduce, you know, do moderation, maybe you want to quit entirely. The same process and system that I walk my Project 90 clients through, I outline in that guide. The link is alcoholfreelifestyle.com forward slash guide, it's in the show notes. Likewise, if you feel ready to quit alcohol for at least 90 days and you want some additional help. Now, just to be clear, 95% of my teachings and coachings, you can find on the internet for free. Just Google James Swannick, you can listen to this podcast. 5% of what I put out there are paid programs and it's for people who want some additional support or they want help executing the process that I hand out for free. So if you want some accountability, if you realize that you can't do it by yourself or you don't want to do it by yourself, you're welcome to schedule a complimentary coaching call with one of my coaches. It could be Victoria, it might be one of my other coaches, Jim or Alfie and we'll listen to you, hear you out and see if we can help. And maybe you'll end up working with us and we'll support you and you'll become a Project 90 client. And if not worst case scenario, you'll leave with a plan to go and do it on your own. It is for over 35s. Most of our clients are in their 40s, 50s and 60s. Yeah, very, very rarely do I take someone in their 20s. The impact, what I found is that folks in their 20s don't really want to quit drinking as much as folks in their mid 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s because people realize they're getting a little bit older, the drinking slowing them down. They want to live their best life. They want to take it seriously. They want to invest in themselves. Whereas let's face it, when you're in your 20s, you just want to go out and get drunk and have fun and do crazy stuff, most of the time. Anyway, if you want to schedule one of those calls, then the link is in the description as well. It's alcoholfreelawstyle.com forward slash schedule. Or if you can, you want to text me, you can text me at the number 44222, just text the word Project 90 and I'll text you back a schedule link where you can book that complimentary call. Enough from me. Let's hand over to Victoria English, who is the Project 90 top coach and she is interviewing today Michelle Bunyan, who is a Project 90 graduating client. Over to you, Victoria. Hi, everyone. This is Victoria English with Project 90. I have taken over James's podcast today. I have a very special guest, a member of Project 90 who is very close to my heart. Michelle and I have spent hours and hours chatting and growing together and she has agreed to share her story. Michelle is from Sewell, New Jersey. She is 66 years old. Several years ago, she had gastric bypass surgery and found that she was getting drunk after only two glasses of wine. Michelle made it for 28 days when she did the 30-day alcohol-free program. She then decided to try our 90-day program after having limited success with AA and rehabilitation programs. Michelle enjoys travel, her family and her career. Michelle credits her faith with helping her achieve 93 days of continuous alcohol-free living. Michelle, thank you for being here. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Well, it's an honor for us and I've said to Michelle many, many times that her story is especially inspiring. As I said, we've spent a lot of time on group meetings and Michelle is a wealth of knowledge. She has helped so many of our other members as they have had challenges. She also is the first to celebrate their victories. One thing that inspires me about Michelle especially is her tenacity. When we're struggling with an alcohol problem, there are definitely those dark moments where we can feel defeated and hopeless. Michelle, being in her 60s, has that tenacity and faith to never ever give up. It isn't easy to go into a program and quote fail. We don't call it failure, but it certainly can feel that way. Michelle never ever gave up and I have such admiration for her and I know that she is going to inspire you, our listeners, today and I also think that she will continue to share her story and inspire others. Michelle, thanks for being here. Thank you. So, why don't you just start from the beginning of when you started drinking? What was that like? I started drinking, of course you mentioned I had gastric bypass surgery, so I guess the food was not doing it for me anymore so I went to alcohol and I found that in one or two glasses that I would start to be inebriated and I continued, the drinking continued where the one went to two, went to three and went to bottles. I was drinking, I started with the small bottles of wine and the bigger bottles of wine and I am grateful that nothing happened to me or anyone else during the course of this. I was admitted to the hospital, not admitted, but I went to the hospital ER after drinking and not being able to walk and so they called the ambulance where they probably would have put me in jail but they took me to the hospital and you know had me just stay there I guess until I felt better and I dried out and but that wasn't the end all. There were times that I did things I couldn't remember, I blacked out. I did not want to live anymore, I was so ashamed of myself and I tried you know rehab after work it wasn't an inpatient but it was rehab after work I went to AA, I never felt good enough I didn't feel like yes hi I'm Michelle I'm an alcoholic it just didn't fit me and but I did say it when I was there and I tried to do the 90 day you know with AA where you go to 90 meetings and 90 days and it just was a vicious cycle, a miracle round that I was just I couldn't get off and I think that's where I felt you know that if I could just end my life you know then it led to separation, my divorce and you know I just figured you know what good am I you know there's I have no good in this life I can't give to anybody because you know I have this habit of drinking and it brought so much shame shame to me as a person I hit it from I hit it from my husband for about seven months he didn't even know I drank I used to drink when he went to work I hit it from my family but it was horrible it was it was terrible so that's where it brought me to 90 days 90 the project 90 there's so much in that in that story just those two minutes of sharing so what I heard you saying is that it sounds like perhaps the first problem was food misusing food yes was that something that you struggled with for many years oh yes yes it's been a lifetime I still now do struggle with food I am learning a lot through the project 90 and taking one thing at a time and the neural pathways and how to create again I was addicted to diet programs since I was about 12 and but now I realize okay I will forgive myself and have mercy and grace and say okay well I'll just give this one thing up right now and replace it with something healthy so it's like putting off and putting on and rather than I can't have that I can't do this I can't eat this if I want the little chocolate bar I will have the chocolate bar so it's just replacing it and I did learn I did learn a lot of good wisdom through the project 90 and people who shared it's so common for people to replace one maladaptive coping skill with another maladaptive coping skill and that's why I think it's important for people to hear your story and understand how easily we can shift from something like a food addiction to an alcohol dependence or addiction and again there's so much shame tied to all of it yeah it keeps us in secrecy and I think that there is a special type of shame for women and mothers when we are coping in these unhealthy ways certainly food is one thing that you know if people are heavy or something like that there's definitely a stigma attached to that yes but the stigma of alcohol is especially shameful and it's interesting isn't it because here alcohol is a highly addictive substance you've learned that now through the project 90 the first thing we do is we examine what is alcohol what is it what does it do to our body and our brain and yet in society we're expected to use it so marketers just saturate us with messages that oh you can't get through life you can't get through motherhood you can't get through family strife without a drink but then if we develop the natural thing of a habit a dependence an addiction then it's all switched around well what's wrong with you yes was that your experience yes I I you know like I said about my faith I would you know beg like okay god what is wrong with me why am I so different why can't I give up or why can't I live like a normal person why am I made the way I am and I I couldn't understand it and I couldn't relate to those around me or even share with them how how I felt so it was so lonely and it was a lost feeling that not until I really got into project 90 and I remember my first post I introduced myself it was probably about 20 seconds long and people accepted me and they welcomed me and that blew me away it's like wow people from all walks of life all over the united states men women all different ages we all have something in common and we accept one another and we literally love each other I mean even though it's all many forms but you know we love each other through this and we accept one another and even when we do have a slip which I did have a slip through my 90 days it's nothing that we need like or I needed to be ashamed of I did go through some shame but as soon as I came back to project 90 and admitted my slip I was accepted and people gave me words of encouragement my coach gave me words of encouragement and you know it's just such a positive way of getting through such a shameful experience right alcohol well project 90 is exactly what alcohol does not want us to have alcohol wants us to need it to want it it definitely wants to drive us into isolation you and I were just speaking before the call that you know going into social situations isn't where we would do our heavy drinking yes it was when we were alone and alone our feelings alone with uncomfortable feelings I don't even call them bad feelings they're just feelings and one thing we've definitely learned in project 90 is how to just observe our feelings and not put a judgment or a label on them but you know I like to I like to kind of personify alcohol sometimes and think about it going oh no oh no she's in a community oh crap she's talking about it oh no people are accepting her oh no she's seen me for what I am which is a an awful addictive toxin of course she's going to be become dependent upon and and you know James has put so much thought and care into structuring the program that way because we understand where alcohol wants us to be it wants us alone it wants us breaking promises to ourselves and our loved ones yet again it wants people to not believe our words it wants us to have that cognitive dissonance and that uh in congruence congruency in the way we live our lives because like you I showed up as one person to the world but there was something inside of me that drove me to be alone and to drink until I couldn't feel those things that I didn't know how to tolerate talk a little bit about I want to talk about there's so many things to talk about talk a little bit about your experience in project 90 when you had that what we call a reset uh just again for our listeners we don't use words like relapse we don't use words like alcoholic we don't use words like recovery or sobriety and we have total respect for anyone who does our mission in project 90 is to provide an empowering positive path to experiencing alcohol free life and we talk a lot Michelle about you know that cone that I show about expansive thinking and contractive thinking and we are about expanding using words that lift us up and lift up others and we do have accountability we do ask that our members be transparent and vulnerable and raw and sometimes that's not easy so Michelle you certainly experienced that when you had that small reset can you tell us a little bit about what happened and what it was like when you shared and what you learned from it I was traveling I wasn't sleeping I was out of my routine my ordinary every day I used to hide what I felt from my significant other and I tried to deal with his issues and my issues and I just said I'm going to have that drink and I want that drink and I'm going to have it I tossed and turned all night and I just got up and I decided to have this little bottle of wine that they usually give you on the airplanes and I it probably was like a glass and a half of wine so I had that I put it away you know I threw the bottle out I did confess it to or admit it to my son whose house I was over that I took that bottle of wine and he was a little concerned a few days later I did admit it to my husband but I didn't even regret it I didn't have any remorse I said I don't care I'm having that drink and then it hit the next morning that oh what did I do I had 55 days of alcohol-free living and I took this drink now I got a start from day one so I immediately at that time it was Kevin I texted him it was Easter Sunday and he got back to me and the main thing I remember from that conversation was integrity it was integrity of my word and what I had said I was going to do so I said like you know I was going to be alcohol-free for 90 days after 90 days that was another decision I would have to make whether to take a drink resume drinking or still continue the alcohol-free living and you know it wasn't too bad I admitted it I had a start day one I don't want to do that but but I did learn from it and I think in learning from it I was helping I was able to help others who had also had to reset and I really give kudos to those who didn't have to reset but I did learn a lot it was one time and you never know when that can happen again so I have to always be aware of that that it's right there in front of me I can you know I could have that drink I could go to the liquor store and buy alcohol so you know but I decided no this is the way I want to live quote like you said I'm in my 60s I don't want to have to go the rest of my life and say oh alcohol oh it's a shame alcohol alcohol kill time I don't want that you know I want to be more than that and in this the rest of my life and to and to help others in some some respect whatever that may be yeah you know one thing that Michelle and I have spoken about is her her level of integrity and again it goes back to alcohol can rob us of of that rob us of living in alignment with our core values and certainly from what I know of Michelle she has a lot of integrity and the foundation of that is her faith the love that she has for her family the intention she has to live a healthy life understanding that alcohol is detrimental on many levels to our health but isn't it interesting that she had that small bottle I know exactly what you mean I used to hide them in my purse as I did especially the plastic ones because I wouldn't get quite a piece of work myself but um you know it would have first of all no one would have known she didn't get drunk she didn't black out she didn't uh it wasn't evident to her family no one saw her intoxicated she didn't suffer a hangover but she followed through because she had by that point at 55 days had returned to her core values and was living in alignment with them and I would imagine Michelle that just felt really unnatural again and and uncomfortable mm-hmm yes it was um I could have given up easily and just walked away and just um but did I want to go back to what I was or what how my life was at that point and and jeopardize you know my family and I do have six grandchildren and you know having fun with them and taking care of them and you know I just didn't want to go back there yeah yeah you're right because sometimes people will have that that reset and they will uh in other programs or if they're doing this on their own they'll say well I failed again I can't do this and they'll just go off and resume their their drinking habits mm-hmm uh which as you know uh after usually a short amount of time uh the drinking habits come back just as strong as before yeah and uh oftentimes worse partly because of the physical addictive nature of the substance and then the emotional part that deep deep shame so what was it about our community about our coaches our program that gave you the strength to say you know what I'm not going back there I I know what that leads to I'm going to be authentic and vulnerable and raw and talk about this uh as I'm going back and um there's so much to the program that's I'm probably not even remembering since I started you know and then had to reset but when I initially started um you know we were asked to do our why why why do we want this alcohol-free living and um occasionally I would go back and look at that I did try to watch James has a um short video where every day of the 90 day program I did try to watch that and uh also he had mentioned the flowers I was a little failure on that but I did buy flowers for my graduation first day but the the the gratitude journal is was really helpful for me and I did buy James a book uh which I did this morning and um I think it's a mind shift of and it's positive it's not and I always used to say I'm not going to eat that or I'm not going to drink that or I'm not and it was always that negative word in there so now I say I choose not I choose to drink healthy drinks or I choose to eat healthy food um so I think the the journal the gratitude journal and there's a lot of times I repeat it what I was grateful for or something new happened or a new revelation like we're never too old to to have a revelation and there it's like mind boggling and um and also to me the Marco Polos the one um uh you know trying to post nearly every day there were days that I didn't and also posting in the um facebook project 90 facebook group I thought was really helpful so it's it's a program that um envelops it's a holistic program that envelops everything that you are and the why and uh knowing that alcohol is an attractive attractively packaged poison and it does burn your esophagus your stomach it causes you know breast cancer and so many ill effects that um you know who needs it exactly if I had the if I have the marketing budget that these wine companies have I my message should be out there but we're getting out there one one podcast one post at a time um you know what I hear you saying is project 90 in our community delivers what alcohol promises and fails to deliver because what does alcohol say it's going to do it's going to make me feel better I'm going to um I'm just going to feel better I'm going to forget about how my feelings I'm going to numb out um yeah I mean the project 90 really makes I realize and after all these years to feel my feelings like you said they're feelings it doesn't mean that I have to act on them doesn't mean I have to react to them um they're just feelings and sometimes it's good to ponder and to journal and I'm a big advocate of journaling also that journaling and just write just start to write your feelings and just you know whatever comes out comes out and I think that's very um mind I mean like you could see like okay these are my feelings I could see them on paper now you know and I could address like okay why am I feeling that way you know what has happened as you said what has happened what has brought me to this point where I'm feeling like this and um even though I don't like those feelings her best thing would be to numb out but I do let them sit I sit with them I um ponder I pray um I read positive things and um I think that I'm hoping I'm answering your question and I'm not just going on and on but I feel like um you know it has made just such a turnaround for me and dealing with life and feelings right yeah alcohol tells us uh you know this is uncomfortable so let me take it away from you uh sometimes it promises that it will help us feel more connected to people uh it promises that we'll find some answers to our problems and yet you wake up the next morning first of all you physically feel terrible none of your problems have been solved in fact what happens you have worse they're worse and you may have created even more mm-hmm and the connection that we're that we seek um is is much more difficult in our personal lives when when there's alcohol in the picture people see us as two different entities and that's confusing and difficult for the people who love us yeah and there's something about you know project 90 we are all what it's it's funny isn't it as you get on these calls and you learn more about people um we have so much more in common than this alcohol thing and I think that's really exciting because we can come out with things that are going on in our lives and someone will say oh I have a resource for that oh yeah I can tell you something about that and so it's so much more than that but in those challenging moments where we're thinking you know I'm really feeling like having a drink you can go there and share it yes safe mm-hmm definitely yeah what have you learned about gosh I've we've gone for hours what have you learned about um self-talk because one thing about Michelle I'll share with you all is that like I said she is so supportive of other members she is the first to welcome somebody who's new she's the first to reach out if someone hasn't shown up in a while or we know that maybe they're going through a challenging situation in life and then she's also there to celebrate and you know bring just you know have the confetti ready for people when they when they have a victory um and that's a wonderful quality but earlier in the interview I heard you talking about how you would speak to yourself in the past when you were caught on that merry-go-round as you called it how has that changed for you I really feel with self-talk you have to love yourself where you're at and will I make mistakes yes I will make mistakes we're human I'm human but I've learned to forgive myself and to love myself and to just go from where I'm at and that little slip error mistake anywhere in life and say okay you know all right that what did I learn from that what is the positive things I could bring um that's not only to myself but to others to my family um to to the environment uh it's just so much it's so different now it's like my it's a complete mindset turn around 300 what is it 360 degrees and um I never thought I would and you would think like I'm as you said I'm a little older so I'm more set in my ways but but it happens and I am so grateful for that I mean that is one of the things I am so grateful and I am so grateful for for my coaches and the people that are part of the program James for creating the program it is just so totally awesome more than I expected of course they are like they say put some skin in the game which I have and it's an investment but I didn't think twice of it I mean I had the resources thankfully I didn't have to go to anybody I had the resources I was able to because I was determined I don't want to live like this anymore I just and I tried other things I tried free things or books and tapes and nothing was helping and um you know I'm I'm really grateful for the program really well we're grateful for you too um you know you're talking about how uh the mindset shift has has applied to so many areas of your life and I do find and I certainly found this myself on my own journey which I'm still on a journey we all are but it's about so much more than alcohol what we do in this program is about so much more than alcohol and it does trans it translates into all areas of your life I have to share also and I shared with you the other day was that um this is the first time in 25 years that I do not take antidepressants um and that's both project 90 and my faith and you know that came into play too and also all of my adult life I went to therapy uh I could never figure out who I was or where I was supposed to be or so um this is like that combined in it too you know maybe not per se psychiatry or psychology but it's just so helpful it's all in our minds at first and then if we could reset that you know it could kind of set our lives on a on a pathway of health and vibrance and um just total happiness and joy and of course there's going to be disappointments I don't want to say that it's totally yeah you know uh when when members come in and we help them understand like I said alcohol is a substance you can't argue with that it's just science people can have all sorts of different opinions about alcohol and moderation and and what is an alcoholic and that's fine you can't argue with the science and that was what changed it for me and that's why I'm so passionate about sharing that with our members to say look this is alcohol this is what it does to your brain this is what it does your dopamine and serotonin this is why you crash afterwards and that's why your brain is like this trying to find homeostasis that level normal rate it can't do that when we are continuously drinking so I love what you said because again certainly work with your doctor but once you can return to your set point it's a game changer definitely and also I would imagine as you go through this program and you gain more confidence and you gain more clarity because the alcohol is out of your system you know we we teach our members about look those first you know maybe 10 days two weeks you will have physical cravings after that it's more about um you know handling your emotions navigating some social things without alcohol but it's out it's clearing out of your system and you're not waking up with a dumpster fire that you created the night before which certainly can lend itself to mood instability yes you're taking away a lot of those things that could cause us to feel anxious and depressed yes and definitely what I did talk to my doctor before I went off of the antidepressants because anyone listening I don't want you to think if you do take antidepressants talk to your doctor don't go throw them in the toilet yes no it's not but it is interesting how suddenly the number of problems in your life just kind of start to dissipate and with that clarity and an alcohol free mind the problems that are there have you found there a lot easier to navigate oh definitely I finally have found who I am and um stop fitting into everyone else's mold of who they think I should be and took me a little longer than most but um and I accept myself you know as I am where I am and I accept others as they are and where they are I don't try to change them and I um I realize when somebody's trying to change me I go oh okay you know that's what you think but that's not who I am well have you found that your ability to be comfortable in your skin and sort of state your opinions and hold your boundaries has gotten easier now that you're alcohol free yes definitely I could um there's certain people who have you know stronger personalities that I would not speak how I felt or um you know say what I was feeling but now I'm able to do so because I'm worth it you know I I have something to say and I you know I say with truth and love and not with uh condemnation or pointing my finger at the other person but this is who I am and how I feel and I think I should be equally respected as I respect others and in my experience when someone is struggling with alcohol misuse they're not always validated and heard they're not their boundaries are not always respected because it's kind of like yeah well she's saying that but she's got that drinking problem so we don't really have to give her a lot of give her words a lot of weight did you did you kind of get that sense that you couldn't be heard because because your family knew you had that thing yeah I have to say it is uh one particular person I won't say who it is just in case he ever listens to oh if he listens to the podcast um yeah and it's still now that sometimes it's brought up to me that oh thank god you're not drinking or remember you know when you were drinking and you're not thinking clear clearly because you were drinking you know I never they didn't they weren't able to see beyond that beyond that alcohol or drinking that habit they but that person or whoever I'm sure there's more than that just one person they're not able to see beyond the habit that you formed you know rather than see why are you struggling why you know you know let me help you out you know what what can I do to help you see you know it's just not like you said it's just not the alcohol there's just so much more to it and with any substance there it's just not the sub or behavior behavior you know it's just not that it's more to it than that yes yeah I think we can all just stand a little taller and speak our truth more easily and understand that how others react is not our job to worry about because we're showing up authentically and living in congruence with our values and our and the way that we want to present ourselves you know you said you're a grandmother of six yes if there's someone out there listening and they are I'm 50 so it's not like I'm a spring chicken I didn't get it when I was very young either we're all works in progress but if someone is listening and they're thinking oh you know I've been doing this for so long there's just no way this is just who I am I'm never going to be able to shake this it's got me in its grips I just need to accept it and live whatever kind of life I can scrape by with I'm just I'm I'm too old or I'm too set in my ways or I'm just there's just not a chance for me well say to that person well I could understand I have felt that way a lot like either I'm too old or I'm like I'm set my ways but there's much more out there's always a future there's always a road ahead of us you know like they said I don't know if it's project 90 but I've heard like you have a rear view mirror a small rear view mirror so you only see part of the what's behind you but you have a whole big window in front of you so you you know we're still important we're still a person that can add to others our own lives and and you know like having six grandchildren they're they're like the world to me and it's so important to be able for them to see me um and for me to teach them um like you don't need alcohol to have fun and you don't need alcohol to be sociable you don't need alcohol because it just creates so many other problems so if they could see that with adults um you know they know okay well um I could get to a level that you know I could decide to drink or not to drink so in other words what I'm saying is to be an example for your your family your children for others um there are people who start new and I started a new career now uh after my retirement so it's never ever too late and people who tell you that it's just a lie god made you for a reason and he's going to see that um if you feel like you haven't reached that and we're all we don't reach that destiny until we get there you know it's the journey that we were on and it's it could be very exciting no matter what age yeah you know uh you and I were speaking one day and I said you know Michelle you you stopped your alcohol habit at 66 and when you look at things I mean you know you think about something that maybe you had dreamed of doing or starting at let's say 50 my age if you had started at 50 you'd be 16 years into that hobby the life expectancy these days is in the 80s and 90s I know a lot of people I I see more and more people who are hitting 100 yeah yeah it's perspective you doing this at this age you'll look back and say whoo look at me I was so young when I started that I was so kicking it when you're 85 86 that was 20 years ago so before we conclude talk about you know how your vision and possibility for the future has expanded versus how you looked at your future when you were drinking well I see so many possibilities now I you know even the fact of maybe relocating living in another state also I always wanted to write a book I haven't I haven't done anything like that yet but I always wanted to write a book or I would love to just be able to speak to women younger women you know and because age gives you wisdom because um like I did not go to a college but I told my granddaughter that I went to the University of Life and you know it just brings you could learn something in a book but living life experiencing it learning from it and being able to give the generations below you you know that are yet to come I mean that's just so much wisdom and I would I don't know where that will fall in with whether it be faith whether it be missionary work um you know it's the possibilities are endless no matter what age you are and um even if you have aches and pains you still could go forward right and so anyone who's listening if you're on that merry-go-round ask yourself what are your future plans what's open to you because if you're like Michelle you're like me when you're on that merry-go-round you know what do you see on a merry-go-round the same thing over and over and over again and if you're strapped onto that merry-go-round you feel like you can't get off it that ride gets tired really fast but then you listen to Michelle and I'm looking at her because we're videoing this and the way her face lights up when she talks about the future is incredible that's the gift of leaving the alcohol behind for a while maybe forever we do 90s and seeing what happens because when you're on that merry-go-round you know what it looks like so if you're listening to Michelle's story I hope that you will ask yourself that possibly difficult question but realize that taking that one thing that damn alcohol away for even a little while the way it can change your perspective and another thing that I tell myself that really was a game changer for me and that I share with our members is that if you have consumed alcohol regularly for a long enough period of time especially if you're drinking to numb those feelings that are uncomfortable like Michelle shared and like I did it's not your fault if you develop a dependence or really bad habit with this stuff because that's the nature of it it's a highly addictive substance however it is your responsibility to not give up and to do something and if that's project 90 that's wonderful if it's something else that's also wonderful but I hope Michelle's story will inspire you and help you understand that as long as we have breath in our lungs we have hope well Michelle you just are amazing I tell you that regularly thank you Victoria so are you you're amazing and I love the interview I love the way you pose the questions to me so it made it easier for me to answer because I was a little nervous okay that's okay um well you are living out your heart of service by doing this and I am grateful project 90 is grateful James is grateful and everyone listening is blessed by this so thank you thank you for anyone listening come on over and check out project 90 you can tell we're pretty fun we're friendly we don't bite you'll make friends make some connections we deliver all the stuff that alcohol promises but fails to do so Michelle thanks again for being here it's been a pleasure thank you so much Victoria have a wonderful day everyone thank you so much for listening to today's episode I want to load you up with some free stuff if you look in the show description there's a link there to get my guide which is the alcohol freedom formula guide and in that guide I will walk you through the process and system for successfully reducing or quitting alcohol it's the same system and process that I give to my clients inside of project 90 and if you would like to get your hands on that guide you can click the link in the description part of this episode or you can go to alcoholfreelifestyle.com forward slash guide likewise if you would like to be considered for project 90 to join our community and get some accountabilities coaching and have fun achieve some goals over at least 90 days with our help and support then you're invited to schedule a complimentary coaching call with one of my coaches you can do that by clicking the link in the show description or going to alcoholfreelifestyle.com forward slash schedule now project 90 is for over 30s only and it's really for people who are ready to get long-term power over alcohol you don't have to quit forever but you will have to quit for at least 90 days with our support just a reminder 95 percent of my content is free and plastered all over the internet if you just google james swanick and the word alcohol you'll find that for those of you who want additional support if you want coaching fun accountability if you realize that you can't do this on your own or you just plain don't want to then i invite you to schedule that call and we can talk about if project 90 is for you if you would like to take some of my supplements swanvitality.com is the website i'll put a link in the show notes as well i have a liver support product called loving liver which i designed and specially formulated to help remove toxins from your liver after years of alcohol consumption again there's a link in the show description we've also got a green powder there which turns into a green juice filled with amazing ingredients to support you and give you energy throughout the day and there's also a magnesium product which i take every night to help me prepare for sleep and to sleep through the night so there's a few options there lastly if this episode or the show in general has helped you or supported you in any way i would so appreciate it if you would write a review it really does help the show climb the rankings and expose the show to people who don't yet know about us so if this show has benefited you in any way and you feel compelled to pay it forward just writing a short little review hopefully a nice one will be so appreciated and i will thank you immensely lastly if you'd like to talk to me about anything at all feel free to send me an email at james at alcoholfreelifestyle.com i do read and respond to every email and you can also follow me on instagram at at james swannock send me a message there and i look forward to connecting with you soon catch you on the next one