 to our spring town meeting which is like I think a first I don't know we're just waiting a couple minutes to make sure nobody else is coming in and what we'll do is run the meeting according to Robert's rules and if anybody has any questions or something's unclear just stop me and we'll ask you know you can ask me or if I have an answer that'd be good. There's a couple of announcements there'll be a COVID vaccination clinic here June 2nd from 1 to 4 p.m. and three types of vaccines will be offered. They don't list what they are but we probably all know and also just as a protocol when you approach the ballot box if you could say your name to Nancy your full name and to Kate as she checks you out so you'd be checking in with Nancy and dropping your your ballot in the box and then say your name to Kate as you leave that way everything's kept pretty tight. If you're not registered to vote in Grandville could you raise your hand that gives them an idea who's going to vote who isn't. If you're a landowner or a resident of Grandville but you're not registered to vote if there's no objection I would allow you to speak. So if I hear no objection if you're from out of town and you own property here or you rent a house here and you'd like to weigh in on some of the articles feel free to do so. I'm going to go through just some basic Roberts rules stuff so we know how to get how to organize ourselves for the articles if they get confusing we'll know where we can stop and regroup. An article also known as a question must be moved and seconded by you folks and then it has to be restated by the moderator and then it can be considered for debate and voting. Anyone wishing to speak on the question must raise their hand and be recognized by the moderator. I'd like you to keep your comments to three to five minutes. Everyone will have a chance to speak twice on the question that's being debated and we have to stay focused on the question that's germane at the time where it's moved to the floor and I'll call on you a second time after everyone else has had a first chance to speak. So again you must confine your remarks to the merits of the question that's under debate you can't all of a sudden ask about the telephone poll if they're going to put on room 100. Is anything clear so far? Good. I get confused. Debate may be cut off by a motion to call the question so as we go forward if that motion is made it has to be followed by a two-thirds majority vote to stop the debate if there's of course no objection to that motion debate ceases and we will call for a vote. When debate has ended I will restate the motion and make sure everyone knows or if they vote yes or no what that will mean to the question and if there's any doubt just stop and say you know could you say that again or you know we want to make sure everybody understands what their vote means when we have the floor debating the question. In most cases we can use voids for hand voting paper ballots have to be cast for listers, auditors, select members and elected road and water commissioners. We don't have a water commission yet but maybe some. Also Robert's rules can be modified by a motion from the assembly that requires two-thirds of majority vote and if I do anything that seems unfair or if I'm cutting somebody off unfairly just let me know. I mean I I think also looking at some of the articles that we have to go over tonight again unless there's an objection maybe we can have a little debate if it's you know reasonable and nobody's getting angry at anybody as long as it goes forward that's my main thing. So I'm gonna hand the the the no I didn't I didn't I don't really have to actually. I'm looking for the somebody mind to move article one. Judy. Second article one to elect all town officers as required by law. A to elect a moderator for a one-year term ending 2023. Do I hear any nominations? Judy. Thank you. Are there any other any anybody else interested in moderating? All in favor of me. Consider it for next year though. It's a it's kind of fun. One B to elect a select person for a three year term ending 2025. Who did the second? Great. So we're reading dance sergeant. Anyone else? If there's no objection we will close nominations and we'll cast the paper ballot for Daniel or Bruce. Yes. Can I ask that each of them make a statement about what is the base law here? Sure. Daniel you want to give us a little. I've been here for a few years overseeing a lot of different projects. We had a post office come to town years ago. The steeple got renovated. We've got 300 people in this town. We need more volunteers and more people to participate in our democracy and get involved. We're really need a piece on the planning commission, conservation commission. We would certainly like to you know continue to move this town forward. It's a great place. I certainly have a background in the legislature back in the 90s and I've been doing this school board back for almost 10 years 2000. I'm concerned a little bit that shadow sergeant and Nancy sergeant and Dan sergeant are working on this town and I'm a little bit concerned about that. I would like to continue as a select person and appreciate your support. Great. Thank you. So we'll provide a paper ballot and cash your vote. Does everybody have paper? There's paper scattered around the window sill. Cheryl says there's paper on the window stills if you need it. Yes. The results are in Daniel had 13 votes and Bruce had 38. So Bruce is in for another three years to 2025. One C to elect a town clerk for three year term ending 2025. Cheryl any other nominations for town clerk? If there's no objection we'll close nominations and would someone like to make a motion to call for a paper ballot? One ballot? One paper ballot. So moved. Okay. So if there's no objection we'll file one paper ballot for Cheryl sergeant for town clerk for the year ending 2025. Congratulations. One D to elect a town treasurer for a three year term ending 2025. Nancy Needham has been nominated and what's her name? Seconded it. What's that? Who was the what Nancy? Nancy Needham. Oh, okay. Nancy. Nancy. Okay. The murders. Again, if anybody want to make a motion to cast one paper ballot, we do have to do okay. Yep. And second. Yep. Thank you. If there's no objection, we'll file one paper ballot to elect Nancy Needham town treasurer for three year term ending 2025. Congratulations Nancy. She wish she could be here. She did email me and she had other obligations, but she's very happy to run for the position. One C. Oh, one E. I'm sorry. To elect a third auditor for a three year term ending 2025. Are there any other? It's kind of fun hanging out with Robin and Nancy. Another Nancy. Another Nancy. I just call everybody Nancy, but someone second that nominations have ceased. Roger Stouse was nominated for the third auditor for three year term ending 2025. And if there's no objection, we'll just throw in one paper ballot one F to elect a first constable for a two year term ending 2024. Okay, so there's a motion to table one F and seconded to vote on it after we vote on article two. Just just to note on the note on the constable, you gotta have a constable regardless. So you could do it either way, I suppose, but regardless, you have to elect a constable. I have no problem moving, tabling that to after article two. It's been moved and seconded. Is there any objection to moving it to after article two? Oh, go ahead. I was just wondering if that was strictly only an East Grandville person and they are involved under what we may or may not do in article two? I can't really answer that question. Maybe I could probably answer that. It could be either way. The second constable generally has been the East Grandville person. And the second constable in my 30 some years has never been certified. So if they're not certified, they would be in the law enforcement anyway. But yeah, well, that's a good question. So it's been. Yes. Can you explain why it would make a difference in terms of just so we understand that perhaps? Yes. Because depending, we will then know what the nature of these may be. Yes. Anybody else have a question before we vote on tabling? So there was a motion to table in a second and there's no objection. So we'll vote on one F after article two. So that's approved. And I'm looking for someone to move article two. Oh, yeah, right. Thank you. One G to elect a second constable for one year term ending 2023. Jeff Lombra Jeff Lombra has been nominated second. Seconded. Any other nominations from over the mountain? If there's no objection, we'll close nominations for second constable and cast one vote for Mr. Lombra. One H to elect delinquent tax collector. For one year term ending 2023. Yep, go ahead, Doug. Because Nancy is a treasure. Is that a conflict? No, no, no, it's totally up and up. We do have a chart here. But I checked it unless I missed something. No. Well, you can't be an auditor and a select person. So yes means it's good. It's it's fine. Yeah. And maybe increasing her hours. Other towns do it. Is that a question for the select board? Yeah, because I don't have it. I don't think it's ever come up really. I think there's something to do with some of the penalty or whatever that may go to the town rather than if you're both treasurer and to link the tax collector. So we'll certainly keep an eye on that. Right. Okay, so we still have to vote for Nancy. So I would ask that we cast one paper ballot. If there's no objection, call Nancy Needham our delinquent tax collector for one year term ending 2023. One eye to elect a third cemetery commissioner for a three year term ending 2025. So I'm not sure who we're losing. That I'm I'm current. Oh, okay. Sure. If they want me. Okay. Judy second. Yep. Judy seconds. And nominations to be closed the way your second on that. Everybody in favor say aye. Opposed. There we go. Okay, so we're now going to move article two. So someone we have a second on that article two has been moved and seconded and it reads shall the town of Granville vote to prohibit constables from exercising any law enforcement authority pursuant to 24 BSA chapter 193 1936 a will generally the person who has moved it starts. Yeah. Statute requires not necessarily one with law enforcement. For many years, we had a plane. Ironically, I've been told that in the nineties, Mark O'Ile was instructed by voters and the select board to get law enforcement training and certification. However, we submitted this petition because we don't think we're getting on money's worth. Many of us have been frustrated on this constable's health when it was actually needed. One time I needed him just to serve a legal document. I couldn't even reach him. I called the phone message I left went unanswered. Others have spoken on his usual response being I can't help you with that or and or all the state police a while himself points out in the annual report for an immediate law enforcement concern you should always call them on state police. They are still the primary law enforcement. Meanwhile, we've been paying a lot for what the 2021 full year salary was $8,000 and it was meant to pay for eight hours a week. But in terms of actual service in the end of eight hours a week, rarely happened. Yet he was paid in full at the beginning of each month. And I like to know why we are paying for his car insurance, which is increasing from $450 to $600 annually. And why do we pay his monthly cell home fee? The proposed budget does cut his salary, but also reduces required hours. The amount cut is to offset equipment replacements. But the total of the new salary figure and that equipment in place comes to over $9,000. On top of that, article six proposes an increase of 1500. Judy, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to introduce you here. Okay, 30 more seconds. But protocol, had I known you were going to read something? That's not allowed. Actually, you can't read something. But it's fine because you had this prepared. But you have to wrap it up very quickly. Okay. So the total expenditure is around 12,000. There are seven playing console movies. I have a list here of anyone's interests. I think we should go back to having a plain old non enforcement console. And by the way, an attorney at BLCT recently told Roger that he's noticed a trend for towns to remove the law enforcement aspect from their console. Last thing final, I suggest we have something like a budget account to pay that playing in console, something like per task or per hour. Thank you. I just follow up my comment, Robert's rules. And I don't sure why don't allow the assembly to read from a paper prepared comments, you have to, you know, memorize them. But in this case, it's, you know, it's fine. Just so everyone else knows that. Okay. Are there Mark? All right. So just to clarify some things here, I'm not sure where Judy did get information. I originally started like a report said in 85, which I was certified as a law enforcement officer back in 2005. And have been ever since I was away for a few years in the service. I came back in 92. I got recertified again. I have been the constable since then, as I said in my report. So I have been certified. I wouldn't be doing the job if I wasn't. And in 2012, I believe it was the state mandated that if you did do law enforcement, you needed to be certified. Okay. My job is a part time job. I have no benefits, no retirement. I work when I can. And that's where I reflected the salary being set down. This is a stipend for an average hours, average hours. It's not necessary to set hours. But so if anybody has any other concerns, they can be more freely talk to me. Now, if this passes and law enforcement authority is reduced, the constable, whether it's me or somebody else, cannot respond will cannot respond legally to any complaint. Because that would be a law enforcement authority issue. Whether it's a suspicious vehicle, an alarm going on, whatever, that will be a law enforcement function. Okay, just to clarify as they was aware of that. Most nights, I'm home. So if I needed to, I could not in common for BSV to call me. And I go somewhere. Okay, no big deal. Car insurance, I was brought up. My standard car insurance is $600 less if I buy standard car insurance. Well, I have to have a vehicle to do the job. And it costs extra. My regular insurance would not cover me with lights on my car. Firemen technically take a risk by having red lights on their car as well. Anyway, that's the cost of that. So any other questions or any anybody is sure that's a couple things, but I don't want to take up any more time. You're perfect. Any? Yes, Sean. I also looked at the budget on fiscal year, but we're in right now. The end of fiscal year, the total amount is $13,159 that the town or taxpayers came from. I also went through all the patrols. About 10 months. Three months. One horseman was one day a month. Four months. It was two days a month. So I looked at it. So for, of course, to say 11 days, seven months, I really don't think $13,159 is worth the limited coverage. Unless there's Danny has a question. Anybody have any friends or family that live in Hancock and Rochester? Never since they pulled their constable down there. Know how much Rochester Hancock is paying for the sheriff's department to come over and push forward the valley. A lot more than what we're paying Martin. We have a sheriff. Yeah. I'd also like to add I completely see the worry with what we might be paying with the law enforcement. But I will say that I think that on the other side of it, with what you were saying, paying a sheriff for us over in East Granville, speeding is a big issue. And even if Mark comes over a couple of hours a month and turns his lights on to some people that are flying down 12 a past our houses are literally eight feet from the road, just like these houses right up here in Granville. And so when someone's speeding by our houses shake, so it's really important to us to have someone there with the lights on and reminding everybody, I think we'd all be pretty hard pressed to get the state police to run radar on 12 a or even right here in Granville, or hiring the sheriff. So that's something that is really important to me with pets and kids. And I think that's something we should consider. Christie, and I'm just wondering if we're in law enforcement to track something. Because if you have an actual or as the end call, you get to know if you are driving to the school board meeting last Tuesday, and almost got hit right in front of the glass blowing shop by two cars that were home and happier. You know, this is me and the other and trying to get you fast. And we're right on my side of the road. So again, 11 days, there's a lot of traffic here that doesn't happen on Thanksgiving weekend or Memorial Day, or, and now that I drive the rush to work every day, the guy there in handcuffs and Rochester trying to get both of us are going to work at 7.30 in the morning because they're over there that early still, again, not Friday night, not when things are happening. It's when people are going to work and what I get at the school last and they're there. So I just want to give you an equal opportunity to fact that for me, if I have any problems that I have, I'm calling fire department and saying my house is on fire. So someone will call me because if you call the police, you're waiting 45 minutes and I'll call. So that's the reality too. We're 45 minutes away from law enforcement. So that's the time to call the fire department. Okay, Doug, you know, I think when the calendar says so, overall, but I don't think Mark has the time to do this and has it done in the last couple of years. That's my concern. We're not, you know, I think the end of the perfect situation is yes, but more time, opportunity for more time. We're not getting a fair change here. Like Delano here, that he went through the law for it. It's not enough. It's not enough for our town. There's got to be a presence here. It doesn't we want to. But the way right now, I don't think it's fair to attack there. Many of us that we're not going to fair shame on what we're getting. I mean, Mark certified, he's qualified, not complaining about that, but I've called him any time it doesn't happen. Or maybe I'll get the answer I want, and then I call the state police, whatever. Mark, Mark had some, yeah, I mean, just, this is my knee a little bit here too, just to come back on that. Like I say, I'm not always in town like everybody else. I'm human. I have things to do as well. But one thing I will mention is, as you mentioned yourself, the ST suspicious they're not coming over for that. They might call me and see if I'm available to check on them. I can't if I'm around. They're not coming over for something like that. Because by the time they get here, it's long gone. As an accountant, don't even think about contracting them. They are not available. They are short staffed just like everybody else. They're not looking for any new contracts. Just put that out there to be aware of the constable here, whether I work whatever hours, it's better than none. That's all I can say. Also, you got to look at the budget as about half of that budget is cost. We have to maintain records. We have to certify grade art. We have to have all that stuff that we have to be mandatory reporting to the state. Some of that stuff is part of the expense. And then that's a computer system, a lot of other stuff on the computer system. That's how we have to do it. That's why there's cell services you use as computer. Everything out there today. Of course, it's all computer based. Okay. And then Jennifer. What does it cost to have the sheriff come to Rochester? Judy? Some figures. But then the last word was, as Mark said, they are short staffed and cannot and would not, would not provide. Would not add to that, probably. Yeah, I'm going to allow Mark just to respond to that. I don't know what to ask him gets. And I'm not 100% on Wendell County. But for instance, Wendell County, last time I understood was like $60 an hour plus mileage. So hang on, Danny. Yeah, I'm not going to read my prepared statement, but I'm going to read Mark's report. Briefly, please. Again, as these are not my prepared spaces from the town report. So as I ensure everyone is aware by now, I keep busy with my full time job in Windsor County Sheriff's Office. This keeps me very busy some of the months and I'm not around as much as I am in Windsor County. I'm still available for the town travel. You may also call me for any issues and email me. Sometimes email is the best way to reach me for the law enforcement. Remember, if it is an immediate law enforcement concern, you should always call the Vermont State Police. They are still the primary law enforcement police town. I will avoid the law enforcement as well. And I don't want to put Mark's efforts down. And I know there's a lot of activities that support law enforcement in general that are not necessarily controlled like downloading software or doing the video zoom training or tentatively. Those things are only in the courts and the total number of hours logged so far until the end of April is just short of 130 hours. So last report, there was an increase in salary to $8,000 a check of $665 cut every month, whether or not hours work. But the law does reflect that Mark doesn't have time. So in saying that that there is not enough time for adequate law enforcement or timely response in a lot of cases because he's working, does not that prove that we don't really need that service for $13,000 a year and next year it's $4,000 is coming up this year $4,000 in employment, $600 in automobile insurance, including that does not include 58 cents a mile in mileage reimbursement $20 a month and cell phone, you know, in addition to the monthly salary that was given at the beginning of the month before the law was even created. So whether work is done or not, no matter what work is, whether you control or attending a meeting online or downloading software or going paperwork, it's still the salary. So it just speaks to whether or not we as voters want to support law enforcement as such an astronomical cost for so few hours. Is it worth it? I'm going yes to prohibit law enforcement on article two. We'll go with Rhoda. And then wondering if a town is willing to have law enforcement if it was another person taking Mark's place, the person that people might think they were getting out. That would be a question at the select board. Well, when we elect the constable. So I have not heard anybody in town wanting to be constable. Yes, I'm trying to get through everybody has a chance to speak before I call on you again. Okay, I understand. Go ahead, Travis. Yes, this has been a big subject lately. And once it's gone, stop. And I mean, how often are the shares been here on here? I see Mark quite a bit over here. And I mean, the shares and you call the police and stuff, they're not probably usually going to come. Thank you. Do we really want to be on the police? Thanks, Travis. Jim, we have a motion to call the question and it's been seconded. Okay, people still want to speak Jim. So the question's been called. There's a second. Is there an objection to calling the question? So we're going to table that and you go ahead, Danny. years worth of what Mark has done when it was coping years, and you couldn't get out of your vehicle or pull anybody over or go up to anybody's windows. Even the state police in sheriff's working with that. There's been no law enforcement control in the last two years because of COVID. So why are we looking at the last two years of Mark's time? Well, we should be looking at two years before that, when he was actually controlling that there wasn't a reason not to. This mother just a point if someone's speaking because they talk louder or stand up. Oh, sure. Did everybody hear? Michael? I heard Danny find this. Let's see. I'm gonna there is a motion on the floor and it's been seconded to call the question. But there's still discussion. It would take a two thirds vote of the assembly to call the question. I'm assuming we still want to discuss this a little bit. Christie, looking at ticket writing or coming to an abandoned car, coming to your house because you called and you have a conservative lady from East Granville is wanting to be there to slow cars down in front of her house. What he does for us is slows cars down in front of the county hall. So I guess I need for clarification of what the law enforcement is going to be doing. I'm not trying to be one of the least and I'm just saying what we're looking at is that we're going to hire someone else. We'll be having to sit and write tickets like I was saying in Hancock, I mean Hancock Rochester. Are we what more are we looking for that we don't feel that we're dead? And just to be clear, everyone, we're talking about, you know, in this article, it's not funding. It's removing the constable's ability to exercise law enforcement. So that's what we're we're focusing on in this article. You know, the budget has the funding. Doug. What is this? Well, as law enforcement, you know, there's a traffic public, this is the way it is, you know, I have a car in my house in the house. I think we have to find some of them. As far as salary, the monthly salary, people are concerned about this maybe due to an hourly salary, not a lump sum every month. It's what he can afford to kind of do. And what we want to do one lump sum for his actual salary. He goes, Mark, I don't think you know how the time to do it. Thank you. Yep. Victoria question. Didn't we purchase the radar that I put in a safe up here in the island? That was a grant. That was free. Thank you. Yes. You know, I'm sorry, but I don't. Could you state your name because I'm Oh, okay. That's a question for Richard. How much the one horse that has increased in price in the last 10 years? Well, no, I would just say, Richard, you know, we're not talking about financials right now, we're talking about his ability to perform law enforcement. So that would be a budget item. You know, question related to when we discuss the budget. Anyone else, Virginia? So if there's no law enforcement, what's that? Yeah, there is a motion to call the question. So as soon as we want to end this, we'll vote on it. Let's see, Mike, you haven't spoke. Yes. Mark, can you tell us their assurances or insurance? When you're responding to a call, are we as a town protected with some insurance? Being being certified of decently coverage of town, if somebody's not certified, and of course, I'm covered by the town for liability reasons, but someone's not certified and they do law enforcement practices, that's a lawsuit waiting out. No matter what it is, somebody slips and falls and where they get held back and they get injured, whatever it was, whether it was not intended, obviously, but especially now with all this stuff going on, law enforcement about force, use the force. Judy, you had a follow up question. As I mentioned, there are seven nonlaw enforcement duties that are possible. Um, if there's no objection, okay, reading. And this is, you know, her statue says a town may go at special learning town meeting to prohibit hospitals from exercising any boy enforcement, be notwithstanding the provisions of a constable's may perform the following duties. And this would be what is a non enforcement law enforcement constable that every town is required to have. One, the service of civil or criminal process under the USA law. Two, the destruction of animals in accordance with the provisions of law. Three, the killing of injured deer under statute for provision of assistance to help officer in discharge of the health officers through these service as a criminal division of the Superior Court officer under section five, six, removal of this orderly people from town meeting, seven, collection of taxes with no tax collected as provided. Uh, let's see, Daniel, we haven't heard from you yet. Regardless of whether or not our exercise law enforcement authority, the state police are still going to respond to nine times out of 10. That's the case right now. The issue at hand is not whether or not we need law enforcement. All that goes to the same things a lot of people have said here tonight. We do need law enforcement here. I can name a number of instances just in the upper village, you know, that really concern me as a taxpayer. We need law enforcement here. That's not the question. The question is, we're spending about $13,000 a year on law enforcement to have an individual available for this town to respond to those types of emergencies and they're not available. So what do we do about that? I'm hoping that the select board and Mark are hearing regardless of the outcome of this vote, the concern of the voters in that we're paying for something we're not getting. That's it. There is a motion and second to call the question. Do I hear a resounding yes, we'll call the question or do we still want to debate? Okay. Say again. All in favor calling the question. Say aye. All opposed say no. Okay. The question's been called. Debate has ended and duty. Okay. And it's seconded and if there's no objection we'll do a paper ballot for article two. Just to remind everyone. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Just to review on the paper ballot, if you vote yes, you vote in favor of article two which reads, shall the town of Granville vote to prohibit constables from exercising any law enforcement authority pursuant to 24 vsa chapter 1936 a. So yes vote, that passes. A no vote, it doesn't pass. Is that is that clear? Okay. Correct. Yeah. That was a long. That was too bad. Nobody threw anything. Right. Here she comes. We have the results for article two. Excuse me. Shall the town of Granville vote to prohibit constables from exercising any law enforcement authority pursuant to 24 vsa chapter 1936 a. Yes, 19. No, 28. So the constable's law enforcement ability remains intact. There you go. Keep some of these. Sure. Yes. Yes. So now we go back to to we're going back to article one to elect all town officers as required by law one F to elect the first constable for a two year term ending 2024 and there was a motion I believe for Mark which was seconded and are there any other nominees we got a cease to nominate and a second all in favor. I and I suggest we cast one vote all in favor for Mark Belial as a constable for two years term ending in 2024. I what? I object to that. You object to what? There's only one person. So we can't I mean if there were two people you could object. Right. So now I'm looking for someone to move article three to the floor. Yep. Second article three. We have Mark moved article three to the floor and is there a second Michael second article three reads shall the town of Granville vote to accept the budget of three three hundred and seventy seven thousand sixty four dollars to meet expenses and liabilities of town and authorize the select board to set a tax rate sufficient to provide the same and this is where we enter into discussion unless I hear otherwise. Jim and Jim. Jim could you stand up? Thank you. I'm not quite sure Jim I think the de facto road commissioner and you know I can go over the road budget you know I know you've been involved some Ken has also been involved but it's all detailed out here if you're talking about a big report that we probably just want to read this on. Just for my sure Jim go ahead but it's this about the budget right? Yeah. Okay. I don't know if anybody was given the power we rate on equipment yet. Yeah, you're well known. We have hired that stuff up. The other part of it is there are I don't see where we're you are counting for the things that need to be done. Crush gravel locally this year. That's just the interesting part but I do know that the last three years there's always a move to lower the road but we've driven through potholes down the deli stair all year now. I don't see where that's in the budget. That's pretty much all I need to say. How would I like to see it you know not cut at least stabilize it. Jim? Jim? I'm sorry just for clarification could we just point out what the um account number is and what you're actually. It's a bottom line. We're on page 12. Page 12. Page 12. Okay, thanks. And the bottom line of our road budget did go down $12,800 in the proposed budget um but you got to understand that we closed out the year before or closed out the year with a $35,000 surplus. We also have um uh prior to that um $32,000 from the previous two years of surplus. So in our road budget right now we've got we've got a $66,000 or so carried forward um which has to stay in roads can't be used for anything else and uh there's a question as to whether or not we should continue to put that in or to lower the tax rate um by the surplus and we've always carried that forward for emergencies and for other work and you're right Jim we contract everything out. We are at the mercy of contractors and that's not an easy thing you know we're one of you know it's tough to get people to plow our roads to do the work on our roads to fill those potholes um we um get as many grants as we're eligible to get and uh we do have uh money that we uh have had carried forward so um you know one thing we cut back on is the sand pile we haven't gone through as much sand and we could debate whether or not we use too much or too little uh sand but we don't need to get another thousand yards of sand this year because we've got a lot of sand already piled up um we've got 2,500 yards or so of gravel uh that we've already paid for that hopefully we'll get down in the next couple of weeks but again that that again will be something that will carry forward so um you know we're working as hard as we can to keep these roads I know we had a terrible month's easy but sort of all of central Vermont had a terrible month's easy and we continue you know Kenny's done a great job you know with uh grading and putting fabric down and rebuilding some of the roads um and I think our roads are probably about as good as any of our neighbors so um you know it's it's a real challenge and we've got real challenges getting constructors to get the work done Doug, we have the rules of question is a proposal to do any darn for paving any of this. Good. Post office and even going on that as well as I think not it hasn't been done since I've been around to be honest with you and both those areas seem to be done. Not even talking about bottles. Yeah we we have got um I thought they'd be done by now we've got to get the sand swept off those pavements hasn't been done yet from the winter uh we've got no the contractor that I thought would already have it done he's also going to do filling in those potholes. We we have a reserve fund for paving that's dedicated for paving but we've got $12,000 in it right now and we're probably looking at 60 70 who knows what the price of oil now what that's going to cost probably close to $100,000 to do our $3,000 right so Kevin does this too yeah in fact close to $100,000 to to pave to pave it that we have post office hill bottom of Maston Hill Buffalo farm the bottom. Judy and if you could stand please Is it that expensive to repave post stretches for the potholes? We have we have that up right now for contractor to do that and he just hasn't gotten to it just yet you know the asphalt plants have opened up for a few weeks now and I would hope they would be done by now but they haven't been. Ken I don't know if you want to add anything. The who's going to do a blast must be probably close on that. Right now they've got to get done. I know people's avoiding and driving on people's front wants to get around these the worse than potholes or you know the asphalt. Yeah please please please stand so there's some people who can't hear. The asphalt was $95 a ton. Yes. If we do Bruce you mentioned that we have like $60,000 right now in a fund from unused from the previous years if people are interested in getting those areas paid and they're going to be a huge expense if we don't cut the roads budget down the $12,000 could that money that then goes into that reserve be used for that as a project over time if people want that money to be used something like that. Well we could we could decide to pave them you know with the money that we have for sure. Okay. So if that was like a reason to not want to cut the budget in case that's like an expense that we want to keep saving up for. There's a question later on to add another $6,000 to pave it so somebody could have meant that to make it $100,000 and get it done. Any other questions on the yes Jim? We did this budget for journalism. Do you have any funds in there that are targeted for or a mud problem? Yeah I Jim I we're we're attacking I know um Richard Poole a couple years ago went out and did a great job mapping Ken and I are still looking at um the worst spots you know there's been the the stretch on Pavlovak it's uh it was the spring Ken I don't know if you want to get it you know we've got over 2,000 yards of gravel that are already paid for in this year's budget it's already been paid that um with fabric and some stretches of the worst parts of the road is going to get attention and by the end of June right Ken? That gravel is paid in the other way. That gravel is down at the ball mill with our name on it and I hope we can use I hope we can use every drop of that gravel by June 30th in this fiscal year. I'd be very happy if we didn't have anything to carry forward. Let's get it on the roads. Bring your pocket bag. Okay there's a motion on the table to accept article three it's been seconded any more discussion or amendments or any questions about the budget the question's been called all in favor of accepting well hold on shall the town of Granville vote to accept the budget of three hundred and seventy seven thousand sixty four dollars to meet expenses and liabilities of the town and authorizes select board to set a tax rate sufficient to provide the same all in favor say I opposed article three passes thank you you have a second thank you article four reads shall the town of Granville vote to authorize the treasurer to apply any surplus remaining from the highway budget's current physical year fiscal year into the highway capital investment fund questions been called and seconded all in favor of article article four say I opposed and someone moved and seconded article five article five reads I'm reading here Richard article five shall the town of Granville vote to increase the highway capital investment fund in the amount of six thousand dollars for purpose of repaving town roads any discussion about that I think there's twelve thousand dollars in that um paving fund this question's been on for a few years to just try to build up a fund so we can pave the entire road but six thousand dollars doesn't even make up for the cost of asphalt over the last couple of months is what we needed because it's going so high well I mean that's for you these folks to you know I think we've heard it's probably close to a hundred thousand dollars to pave those roads just where there's paving now this year we like I said we'll fill the potholes that'll help for hopefully a while but those roads are going to need payment at some point uh Judy was next and then I I see shawna exactly and Doug you were next I'm sorry at six thousand dollars putting money into it I mean when you get I'm just saying I know you're going to fix the potholes how long are you going to take us if we want to do it is it ten years from now is it twenty years because that's six thousand dollars a year I think I think when we first started a couple years ago we were thinking sixty thousand dollars or something you know I don't know for ten years but now I think the cost is at least double that to pave our roads so should we be looking at on you something like that do over twenty years well that that would certainly be something that we could do is go out and ask John and then then we have sixty thousand dollars in surplus take twenty thousand dollars out of that surplus and put it into this one here can we do that now we could use that we could use sixty thousand dollars to pave the roads in addition to this 12 to be 18 I guess so it could happen this is a warned article right adds to the total that would be a suggestion for another right uh... jim was next and then Michael where's that stand can we use that as far as you know jim the rules are still coming out with your money okay so you showed a count on it this year no I you know and we've got forty thousand dollars in our money in that neighborhood so you know it's it's not like you know you hear some of these towns have half a million dollars but it's based on population and all and so the money that we get on the aquifunds is not real significant yeah and yeah and you know there it's earmarked for water and sewer projects it's earmarked for public safety you know general maintenance it's not we have on page 19 gives all our columns and the last two articles suggest a public fund I think probably the heading is highway budget surplus funds jim that's the capital should be named correctly you right and then there's and then there's the paving funds for paving roads is one fund the capital fund is the next one the highway budget surplus funds that's okay that's really it should be named correctly that's really going to go into the paving yes it goes dedicated to pay okay but there's nothing that says our surplus funds couldn't be used for paving but we cannot use our paving funds for anything else hang on michael do you still have a question we'll come back to could you clarify for paving what town roads town roads that have pavement on the map with potholes so the existing pavement is the bottom of mason hill has pavement post office hill goes a half mile pavement bottom of buffalo farmhouse pavement thank you thank you we're not looking at paving all the roads in grandville unless you really want to go for two million dollars or so or more that wouldn't even do it it's about a million dollars a mile or something i don't know should be something to do robin that's that's another thing that has been brought up in the past why do we even have pavement maybe we should take the pavement up and just have gravel yeah it'd be a lot cheaper than paving it but um you know that's another another big question that we would probably put to the vote should we eliminate the pavement and we get we do actually we want to get pricing on what we're supposed to do that first but we haven't seriously looked at that but we can yeah jim just a little history on that the difficulty with running the gravel down there was dust control on this steep hill there the reason that was done was because it gets washed or you ruin it quickly people sell things or that but the village is important so dust control and then you have to put calcium chloride on it keep the dust and that's kind of hygienic so that's why originally the decision was made and the reason they did it was because well we got it on the other two any other all in favor of calling the question say aye the question is shall the town of grand will vote to increase the equipment fund for the town oops i'm sorry that's the next one shall the town of grand will vote to increase the highway capital investment fund in the amount of six thousand dollars for the purpose of repaving town roads all in favor say aye opposed article five passes yep article six reads shall the town of grand will vote to increase the capital equipment fund for the town constable in the amount of fifteen hundred dollars uh discussion judy this equipment fund was started last year this is for replacing the equipment in general but mostly two-way radials uh two-way the record i have two two radials in my vehicle um one was used when i got this vehicle the other one was even older um probably 15 years old uh anyway uh to replace both radios like six brands so uh they don't keep them and trying to grant for years as i mentioned in my statement there but because it's a personal vehicle they won't give me a grant to replace us they originally gave me grants when we got those radials that was the 12 to 15 years ago my main radio that i used to contact ESP is the one that's bothering the most um my primary radio is the one i need the most and i probably can't even wait another year to replace it so i'm trying to work something out on that but that's why i need that equipment fund i was trying to trying to spread it out so i wouldn't have to have the funds all at once if possible any other questions on the question what about considering repair of the radio versus replacement these are old radials that are obsolete in a sense especially now with the uh uh narrow banding i think they are narrow bandable the problem has with the particular radio is a a shop that works on this type even anymore that's my biggest issue is the brand i happen to have right now nobody's selling you any other questions on article six victoria i know that the the fire department often kind of looks to wealthier fire departments or i've looked at that and the same problem that same problem i'm having the replacement because of some of some of the reasons so and most people are not replacing right away just because of costs but i have looked into that habit of trying to find something motion to call the question or is there any other discussion got a motion to call the question in a second and the motion reads shall the town of grandville vote to increase the capital the equipment fund for the town constable in the amount of fifteen hundred dollars all in favor say aye oppose article six passes um somebody want to move thank you second article seven shall the town of grandville use the conservation commission capital investment fund in line item six thirteen of approximately thirty two hundred dollars for improvements to the playground behind the town hall and or improvements to grandville comments is there a discussion on this mike i saw you go a person why this money this money was in the is in the purview of the conservation commission that hasn't met for a couple of years so we put this on there just to free up that money if you could do some work on the playground back here or you do some other work down at the cons so either work it's just it's just it's just freeing up the money to select work so the select work can decide where the best use would be without a conservation commission this money is just locked up so um you know the reason we put all the questions just to free that money and uh be able to use it good playground and the playground church has told us we can't have a playground unless we get some bad surfaces underneath them the proper um stuff so that so that it's a safe place you know taking most of the swings off in there um you know we're not quite sure where the playground is going to go whether it should just be totally brought down you know it'll be on select work gen is whatever we do so stay tuned and come to our meetings uh christie had a question and then maryland then judy maryland considering that an active or not present or present to make a decision on what they do with their money i think it's all the above i haven't met for years and i i think a number that have resigned or that's the thing if they didn't resign are they still how uh how can we vote on what to do with their money if they're not just i would love to see the conservation commission get um reformulated and get a meeting together and say we want to do this with this money even if you guys approve it we would take their lead on what they want to do with it but they haven't met for a couple of years so rather than just leaving it there we thought it would be a good idea to be able to use it for our conserved park area or the playground judy and then uh richard oh did you have a question yeah inspired the wording of the article of canopy no uh richard yeah does anyone have any idea as to the utilization of this playground i have never seen a single child i got at least three and i every time they come off the bus they ask if they can play okay and we have to say no and it's not just them like the grandville handcock bus has multiple kids coming off of it the reason you don't see kids is because they can't because it's unsafe under the swings and everything so this would actually then move into the purview of the slide form the slide form without that money went and you're proposing it would go to one of those two places that would be really better than of recreation in the town of grandville yeah and the conservation commission did put the grandville commons that was the conservation commission's project so we're trying to keep money there so we can continue to mulch the blueberries that were put in years ago and the tree rings and stuff so that people can actually utilize all the fruit fruiting stuff that was put in there i'd like to call the question there was another question on the question this money is not allocated for the the two options can it be allocated by the select board for some other use even though it's worth it this way in the morning no no no this money and this money is is remnants from Irene from back when we had the buyout there's a motion to call the question and it's waiting for a second we've got a second from victoria no further discussion article seven show the town of grandville use the conservation commission capital investment funds in line item 613 of approximately $3200 for improvement to the playground behind the town hall or and improvements to grandville commons all in favor say aye opposed article seven passes have fun it'd be great to have a playground article eight reads shall the town of grandville borrow up to a hundred thousand dollars to be paid back in no more than five years to reopen buffalo farm road as a class three road discussion dug back after i read when buffalo farm washed out and applied to femur to get money and other people they probably correct me um they determined that there were a number of issues with reopening buffalo farm there was a class two road which is a higher grade highway than the class three road which is the rest of all of our roads here and there is a slide that's taking place there it was work that was done decades earlier that may not have conformed to femur regulations and femur at that time said we're not putting a million dollars into reopening that road and that's where we got the butt road alternate project primarily out of that along with some other money that came from femur now hundreds of people from emergency services people that are up on the hill people that don't like to go five miles through the mud when they can get down to 100 to see if we could open that up it's about a quarter mile between the barricades i've had a couple contractors look at it it's probably to follow the orange book which is the bible for the state of vermont highway projects to be the neighborhood perhaps a hundred thousand dollars to get that open as a class three road and we put around the questions and i just to see if people are in favor of trying to reopen that buffalo farm road yes uh dug i'm concerned i love that open i think a lot of people would come and pick it up but i'm just concerned the planning part of this are we doing it internally or are we having to do this and what is the liability if we don't do it right again and someone gets hurt or someone i just i'd like to know all that stuff i i i talk i i've gone through femur yeah i was afraid they're gonna pull back some money right i said no it's over you guys can do what you want i've talked to the engineer and at the state for this district this pump follow the orange book um and do the proper drainage and do do what needs to be done for a class three road and you're good to go i've had a couple you know i'm not sure what we can do for a hundred thousand dollars to be honest with you we may be able to do it for more or less i'm not sure it's a quarter mile you know um it definitely um would would need to be followed by state specs um one thing i do know that if there was a problem with it down the road we probably would not be any eligible for an event of great money uh victoria it was next so i was on the select board with i mean and um norm can probably help the sheriff too on my memory but it came down to about four million dollars to actually do the engineering and the proper thing to bring it up to the class two roads so i get that would be less but i see a very large discrepancy between why we didn't open it and we let the found people love that um and why and how how we can do it for a hundred thousand safely and without regret not that i don't i would love to see the world i don't think it's easy for 300 people to take this norm norm can enlighten us yeah i would like to speak on this topic i have written some notes once it's okay there's no objection you can read marcelo here's here in grandville a FEMA coordinator since 1998 through 2021 so that included three major flood events including Irene so i had a lot of work to do on the roads i got with the state and worked with our roads folks road commissioners at the time so i do have a lot of background on the slide first of all as Bruce said that particular place on buffalo farm road has been sliding way before i read we've repaired it a number of times if you go out there you can see the blocks down over the hill now that we used the number of years ago to try to be here so FEMA in terms of that there was a pre-existing condition there was there was they slid previously they weren't going to touch it in terms of buying any money for us to redo that road but what we did get them to do was to find an extensive geotechnical hydraulic and core driving to tell us what the subsurface was under that road and we completed that with a firm we contracted with the firm called geodesign and geodesign did all of that work and all the analysis the hydraulic studies and so forth and then they came to the town remember and they said this thing is way bigger than what we thought it was when we started the whole hillside is sliding above the road at the road involved was all sliding and had been sliding previously as well they were pretty impressed with that so they did come up we did finally get a final report we have a special town meeting about all the details on this on September 13th 2013 and and geodesign geodesign is here presented to give other presentations but their report said it was going to cost between one to two million dollars and they spat a slide there were three slides two hundred and eight but the other two were small this is the one we're talking about time to slide three the other one one to two million dollars because there's ledge under there the sliding of the ledge the way the light comes down off the hill writes down the ledge you know softens the soil above it everything slides down hill the whole business starting above you can see the cracks above the road where it starts so it's a major problem one to two million dollars well FEMA was not going to help us if FEMA didn't help us the state wasn't going to help us financially how they helped in this town come up with one two million dollars dude you've got to stabilize the slide first before you build the road on top of it that was the idea and so what geodesign said you've got to be watered the slope above you can use these soil nails that go into the ledge horizontally to hold the slope then maybe you can think about building a road on top of that that will hold for a while well given that advice to select where I decided that at that time that there's no way we could get that kind of money to raise it on our own and so therefore we would close the road bringing down what's the last board standard and what the barriers are now I do live on top of our road so yes I enjoy that these are quite more than what before I'll admit that but also it's a nice way to do it for damn sure because I can't just go down hill and get through the hundred so it goes both ways for me but I've been watching that slide closely since third and I read it is sliding all the time it's going down a little bit more every year the original I looked it up today the original width along the road was 350 feet that the sliding comes it's now at least 400 geodes out there the other day looking at it it's all the way up to the upper barriers that we built to stop traffic on the upper end so the whole thing has gotten bigger it's still sliding it's getting worse the worst spun around just by eyeball I think the greater the road now is slumped down the 60 below the actual grade that we have to bring it up to to make it consistent again so that's a crazy deal and it's continues to slide now I don't think a hundred thousand dollars is going to do a darn thing to help the slide because you can't just go out there and put gravel on it I guess the idea is I haven't heard any plans we haven't seen any designs for this hundred the use of this hundred thousand dollars I guess the idea would be we get a whole lot of gravel we get a whole lot of rock we put it in on the road and we can certainly make the last three rows of that level last for a number of years who knows how long but when you put waves on a slide like that that makes it go fast and slide fast that's the way it's always done so you put that kind of added weight on what's going to accelerate the slide you haven't fixed the the major problem underneath which is going to be extremely expensive to build so as I say you can build it last three rows there we can use it for a while either the next big storm or just annual increments of that old hillside sliding down it's going to ruin your road or you're going to be continually making repairs so I think there's a lot better this is in this time if you talk about the sea for a hundred thousand dollars then to one out there enjoying this at Buffalo Farm. Thank you. Thank you. Any uh yes. Hi I'm Grant Nguyen from Buffalo Farm itself um I've been hearing conversations this evening about about what's needed to improve our roads and personally coming out of Rochester and coming down town line road there actually is a very distinct line in that road between Rochester and Grandville and I and the road conditions in Rochester because the treatment of the roads I guess the gravel quality is uh quite superior I would think that if this town wanted to invest in anything to just maintaining and building the roads up to par with our neighbors to the south and creating a much more solid driving experience for those moving around with us up in the hill would be a primary objective rather than trying to close a lot of money and then what Morgas said chasing chasing money will be doing that for years and years so I would say that based on conversations tonight there's a lot of work that needs to be done on the roads that are already in operation whether it's paving the lower parts the costs that are increasing there I think they may be borrowing money to improve the road that are already distinctly much more prudent, pragmatic approach to uh those situations so. Thank you. Yes. There's one house below us on Buffalo Town Road. We are the second house from where it's closed and the house below us which is not quite 20 years old um they have had to put in supports because that property is still sliding the engineers have said that the whole mountain is sliding I expect our house to slide out of the stream. I know people have said things oh you'd like to have a park there yes I do but I also don't want to see the town throw away a million dollars and then have to chase that money down the hill again um you know it's it's an inconvenience we've brought this to anybody except for the vacation house but we're willing to put up with that yeah we can come to us and do it everybody finds it inconvenient I know but if this just kind of collapse again I just don't see the point. Marilyn? I just want to say I also looked at that old PowerPoint presentation from 2013 with all the chief design information and quotes at the time that normal saying were you know one slide well all you know two slides had two concepts but one slide was even up to one million or two million um and the other big cost one of the slide three that was anywhere from two million to three and a half million to five and depending on the concept that was chosen but the thing is that was 2013 so I imagine that would be tender for today well the cost of I mean how many years of a hundred thousand dollars would take this town to get enough money to master fix that so it doesn't hurt anybody or doesn't slide because I'm driving on a storm I just you know it was a lot of money and money would be better stressed somewhere else Travis was next and then Tracy been going all around for 11 years so we've gotten pretty used to just not using that so I don't see the sense of fixing that just let's just keep going around and fix the problems that we have. Tracy? I'm Tracy Winn I'm 1137 Buffalo Farm Road I'll take this off so you can hear me in 1978 we named that hill Slippery Boot Hill and in 1998 after that flood we named it just Slippery Hill because it wasn't just our boots that were sliding after Irene we just call it the landslide and it is leaking from way up their seeps way up the whole hillside is moving down as you've heard how do I know because I'm one of the proud owners of the landslide I would highly recommend the town not waste this money. Thank you. Judy. I would appreciate hearing from all of you. Judy can you stand stand up again for a second. Thank you very much and I call the question. Oh okay there's a motion to call the question and there's a second from Victoria and the question is I'll stand up. Shall the town of Granville borrow up to a hundred thousand dollars to be paid back in no more than five years to reopen Buffalo Farm Road as a class three road all in favor say I all oppose say no okay. Article eight fails. Sorry. Article. Let them leave. Coweys. Article nine. Article nine. Shall the town of Granville vote to appropriate five hundred dollars for the Corner School Resource Center of Granville Vermont in support of its community programs this year. The discussion all in favor of article nine say I. Opposed. Okay. Article ten. Shall the I know shall the town of Granville vote to accept exempt the mosque blend range from property taxes for five fiscal years beginning July 1st 2022 and ending June 30th 2027. Is there a question is there yes. Okay all in favor of article 10 say I. Opposed. Article 10 passes. Thank you. Thank you. Article 11 shall the town of Granville vote to permit the operation of cannabis retailers and integrated licensees subject to such municipal ordinance and regulation as the town select board may lawfully adopt and implement. Yes. I just have one question. Yes. Do we permit anything else and say yes to this does it open us up to the zoning and permitting of other things by the select board. Now this is just a question that has been on many towns. Town warnings just to allow retail and cultivation primarily but it does not open up for any kind of zoning. Yes. My name is Bobby. The one of the things that have done under the cannabis regulations is the town has to opt in for retail service. If they don't do anything we don't retail sale take place. The town specifically has to offer an open vote as to whether retail of cannabis takes place. As far as growing and wholesaling we don't need town submission for the way the records are set up. So it's just through the retail side of the cannabis operation and integrated license. So if I were to take there's a second for the tier one. If I were to be a tier one cannabis grower or an integrated license I'm allowed to learn by planes outside a thousand square feet of gross space entered inside. If I want to go for an integrated retail it involves a lot more a lot more money trust me in that I can now hold fake process package test and set. So there's a lot that goes into a gross wholesaler. If I were to turn around and say it's a tier one wholesaler. Okay I'm grown it. I'm cultivating it. I'm sort of packaging it for sale but it's wholesaling so that at the end of it you can maintain it under your own friend or protect it to your own hand. So there's a lot of ways to do it. The town has to opt in for retail sales. You can't early house it doesn't require the outcome. I still need permission to say the license is a mistake. But the only section that requires the town really to opt in is the retail sale of cannabis. It's great to have another farmer in town. Any other questions for Bob? Richard? There's no benefit at this point. I know that towns that have have gotten the one percent local option tax. They do that that would be included here but we don't have that. Well I'm going to move back to that to one percent option tax. I'm going to raise a lift. I can't predict that. I'm not specifically take that one percent and assess it just for a kind of sale. What I have to do is if my town have one percent that evaluates tax then cannabis would be included. As far as the benefits to the town, the residents are better. I mean it's money. You know it's a business. And it just can't, it's cash you can't. One of the users that you know keeps saying cash you know one of the problems that is occurring is finding a bank that will deal with cannabis business. Because it's still against federal law. So what happens is that the banking industry here in Vermont is really kind of shaming itself out as to what it's going to do in regards to cannabis business. So the benefit to the town is the benefit to the residents. The benefit is that it just makes it sound as though Grandville along with all the other towns in the state are being asked to either say yes or no for the possibility and then the select board is the one who makes the decisions as to whether it's actually going to happen. Is that correct? I'm not I'm not quite sure the regulations. I'm not I'm not quite sure whether it's just like a liquor license that would have to be acquired. I didn't understand the questions I couldn't do. Does the town have to again you know a retail operation wants to do that? Does the select board have to agree to a license? No. No. The select board gets involved and says yes we're going to have retail sale or no we're not. That's something that we have to decide as it falls right now or is that something that it's the like? Well it sounds like that if we agree to this then somebody could go out to the state and hit the license. Okay because the way it's worded here is the regulation and the select board may as well hold it down. But right I think well if I could just chime in quickly. Yeah the question part is the town is voting to permit that operation. Boom that's it and then whatever the select board deems they need to permit for they will according to you. Am I right about what's this saying? But it's right now we have no power over agriculture. Okay so this would be the same kind of thing if if we voted to allow it then it would go right to the retailer. Okay so if this is worded it can do too much. Well should the legislature come back I think it's worded that way. Should the legislature say oh the town you can do this and this and this and this then we could but as of now we don't have that ability. No and I wonder what are those things that's happening is the ccp which is kind of this new phone board is still really kind of shaking a lot in the same time. When you look at the permitting it was supposed to start to happen early in the night. There's been two issues. Now legal sales supposed to start playing technically October 1st. They're really shooting for October 22nd. That's not going to happen if you're selling three people don't get your period here. You know it's an agricultural crop. I need a certain amount of time for it to grow. Yeah I can roll it inside but there's money involved and everything else. If it turns around you can only authorize it too long. And how many months do we have left? So legal sales take place. But this is strictly under Act 164 for legal sales. Does the motion to call the question? Judy seconds. The question reads shall the town of Granville vote to permit the operation of cannabis retailers and integrated licensees subject to such municipal ordinance and regulation as the town select board may lawfully adopt and implement. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Article 11 passes. And moving 12 and seconded. Okay so these are kind of what shall the town of Granville vote to authorize property taxes to be paid to the treasurer as provided by law and four equal installments with due dates being August 17th November 17th February 17th and May 17th. All in favor say aye. Opposed? And somebody moved article 13 did I hear? Yes. Shall the town of Granville vote that overdue taxes will bear an interest rate of one percent per month or fraction thereof for the first three months thereafter and thereafter one and one-half percent per month or fraction thereof from the due date of such tax pursuant to 32 VSA. We don't have to do this every year of this article. All in favor of 13 say aye. Opposed? You should have told us that before we put it on. I know I did. I said when you were selecting. Okay next year we will move. Next year. Yes right. The following for everyone's information this is an advisory non-biting article. There won't be a vote. You can express your opinion. 14 shall the town of Granville vote to support the Granville select towards adoption of a telecommunications ordinance as recommended in the 2019 town plan and pursuant to 24 VSA chapter 2291 enumeration of powers 19 and Judy go ahead. No. What's that? It's a non-binding article. I know but there would still be a vote on it. There would? Yeah. I didn't think we voted on nine non-binding articles. I suppose we could. Sure let's vote. If you all want to vote that's fine. This this was a petitioned article. I've done a little research on it. The most of the towns that have a telecommunications ordinance do have zoning. Half of the towns in the two rivers district there's 27 28 towns in the central vermonia area. More than half of them have no zoning just like Granville. There hasn't been a telecommunications ordinance over the last 10 years in this region. I understand people would like that. At this point the state takes on all telecommunications towers and they go across agencies with agency natural resources, bars and parks, health, they all are now and they're really the ones that are the permitting entities. So um. Judy. Yep. I know there are rules of state and federal regulations. Each town is different. Each town is allowed to have their own town and plan and by the same token I would say we should take advantage of the right to have a telecommunication. This was this this was put through the Planning Commission a year or two ago and the draft never went any further because it didn't get approved by the Planning Commission. So that's why it was petitioned to come to the select board and say okay select board come up with a telecommunications ordinance. It could be very simple. It can be very simple and it could be very complex but again you know I I think in in Granville we're going through a tower right now I can give you a quick update on that. The town ordinances do not do not hold a whole lot of weight in the state hearings from in front of the Public Utility Commission. Judy. I think we should take advantage of it. Every means we have to direct the development in our town. That's why we have a town plan and we have other ordinances and it does give us more say in the Public Utility Commission proceedings. Kate. Is the language for what this is somewhere in this package of information so we would actually know what we're voting on? Judy. Is it in here somewhere where we've been allowed to read it is next door but it's not it wasn't it wasn't it's not in this room it's not here. No. Yeah and you're asking us to vote on something called the telecommunications ordinance but we don't actually know what that is. It's of a telecommunications ordinance so the select board to charge through the select board with coming up for the telecommunications ordinance. I don't believe that this this was never intended to take the 10-page draft that went through the planning commission that never went anywhere. That may be a starting point but it never it never went that far. As far as ordinances go it would go through the planning commission then it goes to the select board there's a whole process then it goes to a public hearing before it gets adopted so you know there's a lot of bites to the apple. Yes. I was going to ask just a procedural question from the chair. This is a non-binding article meaning whichever way we vote it's more of an advisory situation from the public correct? That's how okay yeah go ahead. So I'm just I'm just wondering if this is how we're just trying to find out if people want to have an ordinance in town. I'm not probably already kind of voted on that. This was a legally petitioned article. Judy, oops have Judy one more time. There's a motion to call the question but go ahead Judy. I just want to point out that ordinance that was drafted was quite legally submitted to the select board and there are copies of it and it was reviewed by the regional planning commission and there are copies of it next door by the town. Yep there's a motion already to call the question from Jim and someone seconded it. Did someone second? Judy did. Okay so just reading the question shall the town of Granville vote to support the Granville select board's adoption of a telecommunications ordinance as recommended in the 2019 town plan and pursuant to 24 vsa 2291 enumerations of powers all in favor of article 14 say aye. Opposed? I believe the nays have it. Would you like a show of hands? Okay all in favor raise your hands. Okay all against it say raise your hands. I'm sorry. Do we have to count? Right article 14 fails to transact any other business to come before said meeting. Anybody else? Christy? I would just like to in like of the budget that we passed in the school in fact this is a this could be a facility that got rented out to events and things once COVID is over again and that like that that back on article um anyway fix the playground so I don't have to save that money. Okay. You do have children, imaginary and interplanned. Another good thing to know and I thought Christy you're going to bring it up is that the school budget is down 40 cents so you're going to see a lower tax bill. Anybody want to move to adjourn? Jim second. All in favor of adjourning. Goodbye. See you next year.