 Hi, Manuel. Hi, Rob and Destiny are not gonna be able to join today. So I have been given hosting duties temporarily for the day. So I hope I behave well. So also we always follow the code of conduct and we're equally and mutually respectful of one another. That's our rules that always happen. I don't think we have any new faces today. Everybody knows each other, I think, right? Okay. All right, no new faces. Catherine, did you want to say before we get rolling? I think Andrew is joining for the first time, the meeting. So he is kind of a new life face, not a new face on Slack. So I don't know if he wants to say a few words and introduce himself. Yeah, Andrew, would you like to introduce yourself? Yeah, I'm Andrew. Hi, my name is Andrew. I get called DC. I'm from Austin and I've been in tech for a lot of years. But until recently I decided to switch focuses and I've been doing a lot of just varied work but I'm narrowing my focus quite a bit. And the position I'm in now is with internet cybersecurity. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry, I made a sign more slowly, it's fine. Yeah, I'm in security and I have been for a while. So I'm in a place of moving forward with my own internet security firm. So that's happening. And it's my first meeting with you all. And I've talked with everybody on Slack for a while but it's nice to meet you in person for the first time and put a face to a name. So thanks for having me. We can go ahead with the meeting. Great, wonderful, welcome. Thanks for joining us. It's great to have you on the team. Look forward to working with you and sharing our experiences with each other. And if you have any ideas, we welcome that. Join us in coming up with new ideas going forward. And in future meetings, if you have cybersecurity, that's a good experience that we'd like to hear about. We're interested in what you do if you wanted to give us a brief presentation on what you do, we're really very interested in that. We'd like that. We can discuss it for sure, yeah. Yeah, I love educating people. Terrific, great, that's great. All right, next up, a couple of weeks ago, I guess, yeah, it's been a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, we were in Paris. We were at KubeCon and so much happened. What a great week, what Paris was amazing. So yeah, got to see Catherine and Rob and Anastasia and Martin. And let's, that's hard to say his name. Sandeep was there and what a great experience. And, oh, and Emmanuel was there too. I'm sorry, I missed you there for a second. Yeah, you weren't there all week with us, sadly, but you were there with us a couple of days. So it was great seeing you and hopefully the next KubeCon. Let's see, huh, where's that again? Where will it be? Oh, yeah, yeah, in London. The next European one will be in London. So hopefully we can see some of you and some new faces there as well and we can all meet in person again. But anyway, backing up to Paris, a lot happened. It was a lot of important stuff that went on. We had six talks, was that right, Catherine? And then, yeah, and yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, six talks of varying topics. And you can look at the agenda and see the different topics that we covered and Catherine posted that. And let's see, there were five interviews that went on and I never even saw all those. I thought we had maybe two, but five? That's incredible, yeah, just incredible. So overwhelming, all of it was so overwhelming, five, wow. And then we had a couple of community activities. We hosted an open gathering with hearing people where they could come and join us and have a deaf chat, learn some signs and it was a tremendous experience. We had a great variety of people and it was a really good experience. And we had a lot of hearing people come. I felt really impacted me because there were a lot of people there and we had to explain everything over and over because people kept showing up, but it was great. And we were talking about how to improve this going forward at future conferences and more visibility for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing Working Group in the future and being more ready for the next CUBECon in terms of the disability piece. Let's see, another thing, Catherine, remind me. We had, I'm gonna get it backwards, I'm gonna say it wrong, but first or second sign language course, the fun course that we had, what did we call that? It was the first time we had it where we had invited a bunch of hearing people to join us and teach them a little sign. And it was an open space discussion. What was the exact name of that, Catherine, to your call? Well, one was the sign language crash course and the second one was the open space discussion was, which is what you just described, what was the round table discussion about accessibility and the crash course was more of a fun interactive thing for people to learn a few signs and basically both activities. But it was in the same location in the center and the expo center, right? Yeah, but a different day, different days. Oh, okay. So much happened that Milad forgot. I must have missed that part. I remember when we were practicing something on one day. You missed one, you missed one, actually. Yeah, I don't know when you were the only one who was lately gone and we were like, where's Milad? And you came very late. I don't know which one it was, but you missed one activity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a lot going on. The kiosk, we hosted a kiosk and I really kind of wanted some feedback up here, but there's not a lot of people that were here. Okay, Anastasia's not here and Sandeep's just coming on, but I was hoping to get some feedback on that. One bit of feedback that, hi, Sandeep. Hi, thanks for joining us. Glad to see you, everybody. Hi. The kiosk, I will let Sandeep talk about that since he's here. Do you have any feedback on that, Sandeep? I mean, I thought it was a great experience, terrific to meet a bunch of new people, just get to interact with everybody. And one that was a thing that was a little bit challenging was trying to juggle all the time with all the people switching in and out. It just felt it wasn't as smooth as I would have liked it to be. Having to run new practice sessions and come back to the kiosk. It just felt like there was a lot going on and go and see somebody else's presentation. It felt like a lot of running to and fro, but maybe we need to improve the flexibility on the time or something, I don't know, so that everybody can go prepare for their stuff and make their presentations and all of that. So there was a lot of, hey, I have to go, oh, I'm back, oh, hey, I have to go. There was a lot of that kind of thing happening there. That's just my feedback, my two cents. I don't know, Sandeep, did you want to add anything? Your experience at the kiosk, how you felt like it went? Do you have anything fun to add about that? Milad, you put too much put all the points. I'm guilty of not spending much time in the kiosk actually. Maybe because it was like sometime between like, practicing and then sometime like, maybe going through like all of the, going through all of the sponsor booths and all, but I think the way the people left the comments, the way people left the comments on the Slack, I think went it well, went it very well. Maybe yes, Catherine, you want to say something? Yeah, Catherine, did you want to add? Yeah, I don't have any comments because I was working at the Lingardikiosk, but I was actually hoping to hear from you more about the interactions with the hearing people, the communities, like what, how do you think was that? I mean, because I always thought that it's really important for people to have the opportunity to meet the deaf people, to ask them questions, to have those interactions, which is why we did all these activity things. So it's like, I'm really curious about your interactions with people, your conversations. How did you feel that went? And that question, of course, is for Milat, Emmanuel and Sandeep. Okay, Catherine, that's a good question. So I think I interrupted quite a few people and so one of them was an AWS Machine Learning Bureau, Jamie in profession. So she just came and wanted to know what it was all about and had a really nice interaction. And then some, I think another one was the parent of a deaf child. So, I mean, speaking about my experience, I mean, for personal feedback for me is that I just wish I could have spent much more time at the mood, maybe much more interacted with a bit more folks. That's the personal feedback for me, but apart from that, what all the people we met, what all the people we talked, everyone really felt good. And like all of the posts that went in LinkedIn, a lot of hearing allies are also joining it. Like my friend, Shivangi, she has been with us for a long time, but then I did not happen to tell her about this. But then she ran over LinkedIn posts and then she joined as an elite. So I think we got like a lot of traction, I'd say. Maybe Emmanuel wants to ask something. I think you're on mute, Kevin. Yeah, I realized. So overall a good, I mean, it's something that we should try to do again. I would assume, right? Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, we should definitely, definitely do it again. Definitely, 100% we should do it again. Okay, cause all these things that we've done are basically things where we sign up for, right? And I jumped on every single opportunity and signed us up for everything. So because I thought like, first of all, let's try it. And yeah, so I just wanted to get like your feedback. Like, should we do it again? Should we try to do all these things? I think, well, I always imagine that the most valuable thing is actually having these one-on-one interactions with people, like speaking and so on is important for visibility, but really to change people's minds, right? And making, sensibilize them for accessibility. For that, you really need to have like one-on-one interactions, people to meet people. So I hope that we've accomplished a little bit of that, changing some minds, every single coupon maybe, then bit by bit we'll change the community, hopefully. At least that's my hope. Ah, Catherine, I would say we accomplished a lot, a lot more than what we expected, a lot more. Maybe I think the issue was like, I had like a couple of sessions that I wanted to attend. And the session crashed with my exit time allocated at the boot. So I think I need to do better planning on the coupon, like which sessions I want to attend and manage my time slot for the boot. I think I did not know a good job there. Like one or two sessions I wanted to attend class, not on with my time at the boot. Yeah. I think that most people didn't really know what to expect either, right? Because it was the first time we're doing all that. And so maybe next time, as people sign up for their shifts at the booth, as you said, it's just like looking at the schedule, what do I want to attend? I know Anastasia did that, but maybe some other people left it for the last minute and then already had signed up for that. And then same thing for scheduling dry runs with their panel discussions, right? Like trying to do that at time. So it's a lot of scheduling to do, of course, in planning, but I think, again, it was the first time for everyone. And I think like no one really knew maybe what the booth looks like, what to expect. So hopefully next time, yeah, we can plan better because we know what to expect basically. And maybe we can keep like a smaller time session. Maybe like if we have more people instead of like one and a half hour, Milan and Sandeep, we can hand them for a smaller time duration. Wouldn't that help? Whatever works for people, right? Like, I mean, if we had, it always depends like how many people are actually joining, right? We can always do more shifts and shorter shifts, but then also it's difficult because you have to remember to run, that might be more running, right? Cause if it's a lot longer shift, it's like maybe just one or two and then just go there and stick there for an hour and a half. If you have more shorter shifts, then there is a lot more running. So it's like, it just depends. We can experiment, but whatever works for most, I would say, we can discuss. And now it's easier to discuss that before a conference because everyone knows what it looks like. So I think it's easier to determine the best approach. And yes, I agree with you, Catherine. I think it needs like an at least 15 minutes of time to have a deep and engaging conversation. You cannot have a very meaningful conversation in just like five minutes. Probably like an average of 15 minutes, at least an average of 15 minutes would be a good way to engage in a deep and meaningful conversation with other people who may not know what is it to interpret or who may not know what is it to use a sign language. Okay. And yes, it's nice to see the interpreters. Nice to see them. But really after meeting them first to first, yes, Milad and Catherine and you all, nice to see you in Zoom after meeting your first to first. It's always nice to meet people in real life after seeing them so often on screen. Yeah. Emmanuel, you are good? Yes, I'm good. I was so happy to see you guys. I hope you all join us in Paris for people who doesn't know I'm from Paris, I'm French. I know sign language, but French sign language, I don't know about ISL and ESL. So it was fun to communicate with different people with different sign language. And who the communication between us is very, very fun. It was very fun and I was so happy to see you to communicate with you to participate, to open about SSBG. It was very interesting. And the unit was incredible. We had sign interpreter and a channel. And it was totally SSBG for everyone. It was fun. And yes, and a round of applause to Catherine for putting this all together. Thank you. Wow. Thank you. Well, we all put it together, right? With a little guidance, but it was all a big teamwork. It was amazing. It was amazing the way you put this all together as a group was wonderful. Yes, it was wonderful. It was a lot of fun for me too. I mean, these are the best parts of KubeCon are like meeting everyone you collaborate with. And this group is particularly... And the attraction to that video, it was super cool. That video, it was awesome. The one that Mila did? Yes, it was awesome. So I have a link to that. I hope to do more videos and maybe you can help me put those together. Yeah, I mean, it was really fun. And Catherine, one thing that is like, to be honest, I did not actually know what the booth is about. So probably like, we can have like a brief session about what we are going to do at the booth and something that would really help to set expectations. Okay, sure. Next time we'll do a little bit more prep. Maybe like a pre-KubeCon meeting with everyone who will be attending. Yeah, I would add to that, Catherine. I guess Paris, before that we were in Chicago and we didn't really have a kiosk there like we did in Paris. Is that correct? Paris was the first time? Awesome. Okay. Our group didn't really exist a few months before Chicago. So Chicago was the first kind of like, we didn't even make the CFP was already closed. So yeah, it was like, what can we do? So we were late for everything because we were so new. So this November, we'll have a kiosk there as well. And going forward, especially in the North, like we're going to be in Salt Lake City for the North American version coming up November. That's the idea. You always have to sign up because there are more people interested than actually available slots. But I feel like in general like you have, a lot of things are first come first serve. And I'm pretty sure I was the first one who signed up for the kiosk. So it's just about keeping on top of stuff and being faster than the others and signing up for everything. So it should work. Yeah. Right. One thing I would say is in terms of working on the kiosk and the experience with all of that, the hearing people who came up to the kiosk, I felt like I had to kind of invite some of them over and to show them that we were interested in talking to them and kind of invite them and engage them in discussion instead of just standing back and letting people come by. Because sometimes people would pass by and not say anything. But if you engagingly invited them in and welcomed them in and that their expressions showed that they were interested in talking, they just didn't know quite how to start the conversation. And in the hearing world, it's just a little bit different, I think. And that's just, I don't know, that's just my opinion. It worked really well to engage them. Okay. So feeling like nothing else to add, we can move on. Okay. I'm sorry, Blarish speaking, I'll wait. Go ahead, Cindy. No, Catherine, I actually wanted to ask you what feedback do you have for us? Let's ask from all of this, what feedback do you have for us with the kiosk or what we could have done better, according to you? I think everyone did great. So, you know, it's all about engaging with the community and talking. Everyone was up for everything. So again, I signed this up for every single opportunity and I know it was a lot of work. So no one complained. I was afraid people would be like, this is too much work. But no, I think everyone did great. You know, it's all about exposure and meeting, hearing people, making allies. I don't know about you, but like in our, in the sign language crash course and the roundtable discussion, there were not a ton of people. I think we could have, like, I think the CNCF could have done better by promoting that. But people were very engaged and I feel that we've changed people's attitude towards accessibility, like, forever, you know? Because it's like it might have been the first time people have met, you know, deaf people and just like hearing from you, what you need, what's important, you know? And then suddenly it's not just like this. I always say it's not an abstract concept anymore, right, accessibility. Normally, if you don't know anyone, it's just abstract. It's like, yeah, I know it's important, but it's just like this not very close to you. And once you meet people like yourself, you're nice and you're friendly, you're, you know, like, and then they're like, oh, wow, these are real people, you know, it's not abstract anymore. And I think that changes attitudes. And that's why I think all these activities are so important because, like, it's changing, you know, minds bit by bit. Every single people, you cannot talk to everyone because it's a small team, 12,000 people at KubeCon. I mean, some people may not even have realized that people were there even though on the keynote stage there was like sign language interpreters. And some people don't attend the keynotes, right? So it's slow, but I think like if we do something similar, every single KubeCon, I think we can actually change, help shape the community and make it more welcoming in general and sensibilize them to accessibility not only for deaf people, but like for anyone, right? Cause it's like deafness is just one thing, but like once you meet someone who's deaf, you're like, oh yeah, and what about all these other things? So I think that's, so I really think it's really important work. So I think you all did a really great job and I hope we can do this many more KubeCon. Maybe, I mean, from everything I saw on Slack since I wasn't there, it looked like you had some really great meetings and got some interest from new people, which was exciting to see. Maybe next time for KubeCon, if there wasn't as much participation, you could make a goal of inviting different groups that you know will be there. I know there's a lot of groups that do mentorship or allyship. So in a sense, we're early now instead of how it was in Chicago was developing a few key groups and inviting them at specific times to come by the booth and invite their members of different organizations or different affiliations. That way there's a key list of targets to invite to learn more. I think definitely awareness about those activities like help, like yeah, if we can work on it. Like I was just assuming it's on the schedule and then people will just come but there's so much stuff on the schedule and it's like, so I wanted to talk to the CNCF to see like how they can promote it a little bit more because I feel it is important, but yeah, that's another idea. You know, like kind of promoting it among allies and groups that are willing to help so they can, you know, let the word out and then have more people attend. That's a great idea. I guess I think Saria, that's a very beautiful idea. And I think I don't have some specific groups in mind that we can invite, but then we have to see like if they are speaking at the same time they might not be able to make it. So maybe I think it's all about how we schedule. Okay, terrific. I see we can, I think we can move on to the next thing. Deaf and cloud native. It feels like it's kind of the same folks over and over and which is great, but I would like to see some and same topics over and over as well. And I would like to see some technical topics and some more variety in topics. So if we want to plan something for that and schedule it maybe 10 minutes, 20 minutes at a time, that would be terrific and that'd be fine. And then in the future, maybe more people will come than maybe just like one like Kubernetes talk, you know? I mean, I feel like we've all talked a lot about Kubernetes and maybe we could talk more other cloud native topics. And it'd be a wonderful experience to also improve our presentation skills and practice for future conferences and future cube cons and have more deaf people on the stage there and give us an opportunity to practice. So if we'd like to have more practice sessions with feedback and improvements to presentations, et cetera, I think that'd be great ahead of the next cube con. So a deaf native, cloud native, that kind of thing. So I'd like to have one or two more people interested in doing that contact me if you are interested in doing that and we'll see about setting it up, okay? Thoughts, opinions, viewpoints about deaf and cloud native. If not, I'll move on. Catherine, before I move on anything, anything to add? Okay, all right, moving right along. Catherine, if you could take the next one. Yeah, so I created a PR tracker, PR for public relations, not full request. We had that confusion before. The link is in the chat. So I wanna just keep track of everything. Yeah, I was meant to ask, but you had public relations, okay? So yeah, the idea is to add all of the stuff that we, all the opportunities we have, we get, right? Like all the videos, the talks, interviews. So we don't forget where they are and then, or that we've done them. And we also wanna make sure that we promote them, right? We have like all these different talks now. Each talk is an opportunity to help raise awareness. And we've seen that a lot of our members came through LinkedIn post, right? And so you don't wanna post the same thing over and over again, right? Instead, you know, like we can promote one talk and then talk about and then like mention the working group, you know? So I think it would be great to promote one talk per week. So we have several there. Maybe we could start with one. The idea is for anyone in our group to do one. So it's not always the same people. I know Milad has been great and promoting a lot of stuff. Rob has done it. It would be great to see other people doing it too. So, you know, because you have different networks and so on, so we're also sharing and content from different people as well. So yeah, please, I mean, I'm gonna question here. Anyone who would like to do the first one? I can help as well if you want. Yes, Sandeep? You? Oh, yes, yes. I can take it. Okay, so Sandeep is this week. You can pick something and then let's do next week too since we're here. Who wants to do next week? Great, great. And then we'll take it from there. And then you can also... Good. Okay, so yeah, just go through the list and pick whatever, you know, and if you need help, let me know. And then don't forget to post it in our channel so everyone can see it as well. And then if you haven't done so already, there are two things that we should share. One is the interview with Sandeep. Awesome, very great interview. Got a lot of traction. Has like over 250 likes or something. Let's make that even more. And then there's the recap video from Milat. So do share those. And then yeah, we have someone who just joined. Do you wanna say hi? So I'm Srivangi, I just joined a bit late, so... I introduced myself on the Slack channel and I gave the name a bit out of context, so still catching up. Okay, well, welcome. Glad you made it. So we have two people from India joining right now. So thank you for making it so late. It's not ideal time. Any questions regarding promo public relations tracker? I have a couple of questions, but I think I've been your class. Okay, okay. And then next one is me as well. So we did have some feedback for the Linux Foundation Events team. It's mostly focused on interpreters. The thing that I could think of, I think everything else went good, but if anyone wants to add something, the link is on the agenda. Again, it's always an opportunity to say what they could do better. And yeah, so have a look, at least the people who were there have a look and see if there is anything you wanna add. And then the next one is actually something that Rob brought up. I think we've talked about it a few times, and that is like a sign language glossary for cloud native terms. Basically, you being part of the community means that you are kind of shaping sign language, a technology sign language, right? Because it's like there aren't a lot of people here besides you yet. And so that makes a lot of sense. First of all, like also to share it with interpreters for yourself when you're doing talks, like everyone. So we're all agree on the sign language would be nice to have something were to find it. And so there is a CNCF glossary already, which is explaining cloud native terms, right? And then I think there are 13 languages. And so one thing could be where we just add another language. So go, you can choose French, Chinese, whatever. You could do sign language and there is just the video. So you see the screenshot with all the languages in the agenda, if you look at it, or I think even better for accessibility is adding it, not accessibility for visibility is making it a part of the English glossary. And I made a little mockup where it's like you have agile, software development of the one that I have, like you have the definition and underneath you have sign language. And then I have an embedded video where you can see how it's signed. So I actually like that even more just because when people are just looking for terms in English, then they're like, oh, look, sign language is like, oh, okay. So it's like, again, another way of discovering that, yeah, there is a need, there are deaf people in the community and so on. So first of all, any thoughts about that in general? I have something. I have a website and I have technical vocabulary and signs and English words there, but it's not a lot about Kubernetes at this point and we could definitely add, you know, if you need help, you can look at the ASL glossary and you could look there and have those words for sure. So that's just a thought. You mean in addition or making it a CNCF thing as well? Or like just picking? Because there are lots of places, right? Yeah, maybe, I don't know, we could discuss it as a team and come up with the vocabulary words that we want to see used and then kind of come up with some common technical terms and check it out and then maybe change it based on what we're seeing with ASL and CNCF and develop it that way, make it kind of a dynamic process where we all get together and discuss it. But I'm wondering, I do have a question, CNCF, their glossary, do you mean they have one word and one sign? Is that what you're thinking or are you thinking about their glossary explains what the words mean? I don't really follow what you meant by the glossary. No, so there is a glossary and I know it's hard to, so you can check it out later because I know it's hard to look at the glossary and participate in the conversation, but so it's a glossary that explains cloud native terms and that's actually a project that I started two, three years ago, I don't know, whenever I started. Yeah, so that is to explain cloud native term, right? Like what is a cluster? What is a container, right? And then so, and that thing has grown into, so we have lots of different teams and this is like also it's open source and you have the French team, like for instance, Anastasia on the keynote, she shared the keynote with one guy who was part of the French localization team. So you have like all these different teams translating it into their languages. So you have English and then you have 13 or more because there may be other languages that are not published yet, working on translating that into different languages. So what I like about that is that it is a CNCF non-coat open source project. So it's another opportunity for members to become contributors, right? And so I think there are two ways of doing it. It could be either, so it's a little different because we don't need to explain what it is in sign language. People can read the English description to learn what a container is. Our glossary is to show how to sign it. And so there are two ways of doing it, one in the dropdown where you have the 13 languages, there could be one where you look sign language and I would just put the sign because it's not ASL or whatever. Cause we all said we want those to be global, right? And then for each term, you have a video where you can see how it's signed. For that, I mean, that's kind of nice to have it all there. It's not very discoverable for hearing people if we want awareness and visibility. So what I like even more is just adding a section into the English glossary, which is the one that is used most, right? So you're looking for containers and then you have an explanation, what is container, blah, blah. And at the end, you have an embedded video and this is how you sign it, right? And then so people who are looking wanna know what is container and like, oh, look at that. There's a video about, you know, maybe they even learn how to sign containers. I don't know. So it's an additional kind of way for hearing people to see that deaf people have heard of the community. So that's what I like about that. And so that is good. And the other thing that's good is that already, the glossary has already determined several words that are important for cloud native. So we don't have to come up with, oh, what are all the terms that need science, right? So cause we go there and again, again, cloud native technology, cluster, container orchestrator, like you can just go through it cause some teams have already thought about what is important. And then it would only be a matter of creating the videos only in quotation marks cause of course it's easier said than done. But does that make sense? Like, is it clear what it's supposed to be? Yeah, oh yeah, clear. Thanks. For me, it's clear. I hope it is for videos. Yeah, Jay says yes. And what I really like about this again is cause we have, we have you and Anastasia who are the co-host of the deaf and cloud native deaf, like the community groups is an entity in our community. And there are lots of people who are core organizers of community groups, right? And you are the ones who do the deaf and cloud native meetup. So it is something that already exists, right? And then we have lots of different teams working on the glossary, the CNCF glossary cause it's this non-coat open source project. And then it would be great to have another glossary team, you know, like maybe two leads who kind of do that. I think the videos ideally would be from lots of different people, right? Like so, but it would be great to have maybe two leads who, and this is a pitch to this group. Like if anyone is interested, you know, like say like, hey, I would love to do that. And you're, you're basically taking ownership of that little project and ensuring kind of like, like trying to drive the conversation, how should we sign container? And then of course it shouldn't be a discussion between the two people. It should be a discussion with everyone. Maybe there is something already, but then say like, okay, this is, this is the term who will record it, like manage the whole thing and then create the PR, the pull requests this time and ensure, and yeah, just so that the videos are added to the glossary. And then we would have two co-chairs, two deaf co-chairs, two deaf co-hosts of meetups, and two deaf glossary, you know, sign language glossary owners. So then we would have more people owning different things. And then again is, yeah. Yes, three steps, got it. Yeah. And it's also like with the interviews, right? At KubeCon, like one of the pitches for the reason why Milad and Anastasia, I pushed a lot them, because it's like, hey, last time we were pushing the co-chairs of the working group. Then like this is like, hey, do you wanna meet the organizers of the community group? And then this is another thing we can say like, hey, these are the glossary maintainers, like the sign language glossary maintainers, you know, like the people leading that project. So it gives us an opportunity to talk about different things as well. By participating in different parts of the ecosystem that already exist, but now for sign language or for deaf, or for, you know, like something specific to our community. I hope that glossary, maybe the working group can talk about how to do that, get a few deaf folks involved in creating that. That sounds really cool. So anybody who's really into that we'll talk about that more as we go forward. I wanna be just said, I'll join it. Who said that? Sorry, I didn't see. Andrew. Awesome, awesome. Yeah, I would definitely join that. Yeah, and Jay said me too. Okay, do you wanna get started? That's cool. Okay, so let's talk about this more offline. I can tell you which Slack channels to join and so on, but I mean, I would be awesome. And again, like you would be leading that effort. You wouldn't be doing it all on your own. It's just like Milad and Anastasia are doing the meetup, but they're not making all the presentations, right? So the videos, I think it's important that we have like videos of different people as well. So it's like, so you could do the first ones and then, but yeah, it's great to see different faces. So people see their different people who are part of the community as well. But yeah, thank you. I was hoping to get volunteered. That was my goal for this meeting. Yeah, and I think I have one last thing. Yeah, there's one thing left. Yeah, about the Zoom improvement and accessibility. Do you want to comment on that, Catherine? Yeah, so for those who don't know, a few months ago, we met with the Zoom accessibility team, because as you probably know, at least Rob was saying teams is a lot better in terms of accessibility. There are a lot of issues with Zoom, but Zoom has much better, the streaming is much better. So a lot of deaf people use Zoom and Teams at the same time, which is kind of crazy. And so we did talk to Zoom, created a doc with recommendations, then someone left and then, because I followed up a few times and said like, so what's going on? Are we implementing it or not? But they had to leave, well, they left and then someone else came in and then someone did add comments in the document. And I just wanted to be sure, like, can you have a look is that stuff that was already there? Should it be improved? We have their email addresses and I'm happy to bug them until they are sick of me and hopefully implemented, but like have a look, because it's like, I mean, you're using Zoom often, I assume. And the better it is, the easier it is to work virtually. So please have a look and see if you see or find the improvements, if that's something you knew about, is it new or not? Because I have no idea. Really, if it's stuff that was already there and that's not exactly what we meant. And if not, or if there is anything missing, I'm happy to kind of, you know, bug them again and say like, hey, this is really important and just see if, whether they get it implemented or not, I don't know, but they do have a team that is dedicated to accessibility. So they should better listen to people who need accessibility, at least that's my opinion. If not, they should look for a different job. That's it for me. Yes, and somebody had a question about the glossary in terms of, somebody was talking about the glossary. Hi. Hi, Nicole. I'm gonna try to join this real quick. I'm working right now, so I'm high. I'm just coming in really quickly. I'm great to see you. There are lots of glossaries that are already in existence. And I'm just wondering if any of you guys are involved with those at all and the ASL core, that is one, and it might be able to link to them. Yeah, Melod saying, what Catherine was just saying is that the CNCF has a glossary for their different terminology. And there's not a lot of available platforms that have such glossaries for their specific terminology. For example, I would say the inference, the word for example, there's no real sign for it. We have to create a term for that or we have to expand on that and explain what it means. And in terms of cloud native relationship. So Catherine, I don't know if you have other thoughts on that. But I don't know, my thought was just to create something that is an additional CNCF, like contribute to a CNCF project, an existing, contribute to an existing CNCF project to have another additional way of participating in the ecosystem, right? I think if there are different glossaries, probably it would make sense to add those, like the same video or contribute those as well back, but it would be nice to have this within the CNCF kind of documentation, again, also for visibility. But I think like we shouldn't, I mean, the more places these things live, the better, right? Like if you have one video, like again, just to have the container example, right? Like maybe that same video can be contributed to the other glossaries because different people use different glossaries. We don't only have one English dictionary, right? People have lots of different English dictionaries and they all have the same explanation or similar explanation. So it's not about having one only, right? Or it's like if we can just, you know, like distribute them as much as possible that way more people can discover the cognitive terms and other glossaries as well. And you call it is already an existing project. So it's just piggy-bagging on that one. It's the CNCF. It's an open-source project. And I'm responding to the Slack channel. And I think as a team, we can certainly volunteer to help that, put ourselves in the mix on that. All right. I think, Catherine, we've covered everything. Is there one more thing that you wanted to cover or is that it? All right, so we've got like four minutes left. Anything from anyone here, questions, comments, thoughts, anybody have any last closing things they want to say in the last four minutes? I thought Zoom is better than Google Meeting and Teams. But I couldn't be wrong. I'm not sure. Maybe I'll check out the link in the recommendation. Yeah, I think. Go ahead. No, I just thought that in the Google Meeting the screen sharing is not at all intuitive. In Zoom, the screen sharing is very intuitive. In Google Meeting, it's not at all good. So I thought Zoom is much better. But I'll check the recommendations and let you know. Yeah. Well, just have a look at the document because I remember that, like we did, like this is what Teams has. It's Teams, not Google Meets, by the way. So Teams has, and this is what Zoom lacks, kind of. Maybe there are other things in other views and maybe there are other things where Zoom outperforms Teams. But yeah, have a look, because that was, I think a lot of the input came from Rob and a few other people. We were much smaller at the time. So we didn't have as many members either. What? I don't have much experience of using Teams. I mean, we use Teams on everything I said, but that is only for chat. I mean, Teams is just used for chatting with each other. We don't use Teams as an audio-visual resource. And Sivange, nice of you to turn up. Yeah, so everyone, ah, Sivange, I met her in Detroit in like October 2022. And she's the other friend I still carry from that conference to the coupon. Yeah. Very nice. That's nice. And we have submitted like quite a number of talks together. So yeah, we'll see how it goes. Yeah, Sandeep is like the person because of whom I could understand, okay, like how lack of like accessibility is hindering people to attend multiple talks at CubeCon, right? And that is when I noticed, okay, this is also something which needs to be looked at. And after I saw Sandeep's talk, I came across, okay, this is a group which is something I might be interested in and I can contribute. So yeah. Well, welcome. Wonderful. We have a minute left and I just wanna say thank you. Thanks for coming today. Thanks for being part of the meeting and I think we got through the agenda. And anyway, nice to meet you all. It's nice to see you. See you soon. Great, have a great day. Thank you.