 Yeah, well, why not start the show awkwardly? Yeah, start it in the ass. We could start it in silence. Just stare blankly into the wrong monitor, camera. Oh, you could do like Steve Ruel. Constantly like following the wrong. Hello, and welcome to the show today. Oh, dang it. That's really hard to do when you move that quickly. And that's how we're going to. Oh, no, that's how we're starting the show. That's how we're going to start with everything with where we're at. Oh my gosh. Listen, this is going to be an episode today. I can just tell you. My name is Jamie Higginbotham. I am joined by Jared Head and Ryan Keaton. And we have a Dutta back in studio again, actually switching the show so I can actually look at chat and everything. So wait, wait, hold up. We've got a working Dutta cam. Look at this. And I had to find the button. We gave him a mic. Wow. He can talk now. Dutta has so much power now. Now turn off your mic. We don't want to hear from you again. So we were coming up with ways to describe who we are in the pre-show, which, by the way, for a YouTube member, you have access to the pre-show. Thank you for being a member. And thank you for hanging out with us in all the shenanigans that were the pre-show itself. You also get access to the punk show after the fact. And we decided what makes sense is we've got an aerospace engineer. You've got an aerospace adjacent. You've got an aerospace enthusiast. And you've got an, Dutta, what are you, an aerospace support specialist? Aerospace specialist. Aerospace specialist. What does that mean, Dutta? I'm a specialist in aerospace. In aerospace? And, Dutta, how is that different than an engineer? I don't have a degree. Why does that? OK. Yep. Yep. OK. Great. We're all on the same page then. Cool. Awesome. So thank you. Welcome. Welcome to what will be a chaotic show. For those who don't know, I'm very tired. I have had reasons. For reasons. Aerospace was slightly busy this week. And I was doing all of it. And so I am, and I get to go back tomorrow morning again to continue doing it because weather in Florida is weather in Florida. So I'm a little bit exhausted. And I would like to start, oh, speaking of being exhausted, what time is it there, Ryan? Three minutes past one in the morning. That's fantastic. So let's start with you, Ryan. How was your week? What were you excited about? So crew two, finally landed. Crew three, finally launched. I know. It's been a very, nothing happened. Everything was scrubbed. And then everything happens in a row. Well, no, not everything, Ryan. We missed one. OK, starting hasn't happened yet. But. No, I know I was there. Yeah, I was going to say, some of us got up. Some of us were up for it. Yeah. So, you know. And then weather, great. That always helps out a lot. Florida weather is fantastic. So that was very exciting actually seeing these people come home and go into space after we've been waiting for it to happen for over a week now at this point. And yeah, that was that was a pretty exciting thing. Something less exciting, human landing system, because of a certain company and some lawsuits. It has now been pushed back by year. If you could, if you could put it that way, that's yes, it's exciting. I knew is that why I pushed back? I wouldn't 100% blame a certain company with a certain lawsuit for that. If you kind of look back when things were announced in 2019, I don't think anybody at least in the industry like seriously believed that that Artemis was actually going to make it. Hey, when's when's SLS going to fly again? I don't know. That's not that's not my department. Are these the same people who make that same HLS schedule? I don't know. I guess just check it. So we're just making sure. Starliner, once again, when is that going to fly? Are they the same people who make that HLS schedule? Yeah, they are. Well, they're the same people who make the SLS schedule. So I think we're starting to see a pattern here. Huh. Geez. Well, no, when it flies, when it flies. Yeah, that's true. We need shirts that say that when it flies, it flies. No, well, no, when it flies, when it flies. OK, that's the official slogan of tomorrow. It used to be we're six months out. But now the official slogan of tomorrow is we'll know when it flies when it flies. That's good. That's good. That's really solid. So yeah, I just, you know, with HLS, with that whole contract and everything, I'd really, obviously that lawsuit didn't help, you know, in the time that it delayed it. But I also feel like 2024 wasn't an actual realistic target if we're going to talk in terms of like actually getting there safely. I just, that's tough to try to do that. You know, do an all up moon program in five years. That was set in 2019. And under administrator, I'm like Bolden and not Bolden. Bridenstine. Bridenstine. Yeah, Jim Bridenstine. Yeah, they were just aggressively coming up with things that sounded good. Yeah, things that sounded good through, you know, election cycles. I mean, don't get me wrong. It sounds really good. I really want us to go to the moon. Yeah. Like I'm excited for this program. Yes. You look at 2024 and you're like, mm, mm, mm. Yeah, you can almost look at it and be like, mm, I wonder why that year was chosen, you know. Kind of with those things. What could be happening in that year? What else corresponds? What could happen and what could be advantageous to have happened in that year? I don't know. But I mean, we'll still get a couple, we'll still get, I mean, we're going to get Artemis 1 next year, hopefully. Then we'll get Artemis 2 at some point. I don't know what's going to happen, but it'll happen. I think they'll happen off to Artemis 1. Typically, typically that's how things happen. Thank you for that insight, Ryan. Thank you, Ryan. I appreciate that. Thank you, Ryan. Have a great night. Ryan, you're done now. That was the comment. Which I just want to throw this out there. I guess, Ryan, are you so young you don't remember Shuttle when they had the wildest convention of attempting to put numbers on the 61C, 51K? It's like, what are you guys doing? Where's this going? There was a reason. I don't remember what the reason was. That was a reason. It was like fiscal year. And then I think the first one, I think the first number was fiscal year, if I remember correctly. The second number denoted in launch site. So one was Kennedy, two was Vandenberg, or excuse me, Vanden-Fogg. And then the letter designated the order of them overall, something like that. It was ridiculous. The letter represented the number. Why? Why? That tracks. So M would be 13. Only NASA has the ability to make time complicated. I remember back in the Space Vidcast day, we had a video that explained time and how NASA did time, right? We were like, look, we realize that it says that it's counting down to this marker. You're waiting for this number to hit zero. Don't watch that. That's not what's actually going to happen. And so we had to have this long explainer about why we had two clocks on the screen. Yeah, it's crazy. T minus four minutes and holding. How did you stop time? Exactly. And well, L minus two hours. So is it two hours away or four minutes away? And the answer is yes. That's correct. Exactly. You are correct. It was both four minutes away and two hours away concurrently. You got it. That's correct. Thanks, NASA and ULA or USA. Yeah. Oh, yes. That's right. Before it was United Launch Alliance, it was United Space Alliance. It was separate from ULA. I know, but that was the shuttle era type stuff. Yeah, they were like a. I mean, it was separate, but it was still a conglomeration of all of the techs from the competing companies to work on shuttle. Yeah, exactly. So you're not wrong. It's separate. It's a totally different entity, while at the same time being basically the same thing, while also not being the same thing at all. I'd say more same idea. Same idea. Yeah, there you go. That's fair. It's like the same bucket, but it's a totally different thing. I got you. Yeah, so, yeah. Yeah, that was our little shuttle tangent for this episode, I guess, which is that, no, they weren't in sequence. Period. Do you remember Shuttle Ryan? Were you? Were you alive then? I was. That's mean. I'm sorry. I shouldn't be mean. He is older than 10. Has it only been 10 years? I think 11 maybe. 11? All right. 10? Barely. Well, no, 10 from the end of Shuttle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, which end of Shuttle? Shuttle ended like three or four times the last time. Yeah, the last time. The penultimate ultimate. You should have a Shuttle show spectacular, because like Shuttle, I'm glad Shuttle ended. Shuttle needed to go away, but like, I miss it. It was a really beautiful vehicle that can never fly again. Right? Like, we are better off that it is not flying, but it was such a beautiful vehicle when it took to the air. It was just so magnificent. If you took Discovery out of the Smithsonian and there's a set of SRBs and an ET at Edwards, I suppose you could get it back to flyable condition. No. No, Shuttle was never in flyable condition to begin with. And so no, you can't fly. It's impossible. You're not wrong. Also, I do want to welcome our friends from NASA Space Flight who gave us 20, that's pounds, right? Ask the British guy. I don't know. What was that? Is that a pound? Someone say, Shuttle, space vidcast forever remembered for you can go to the full-screen graphic anytime. You can stay on the camera me if you want, but like, there. Oh, or we can go to camera too. Yeah, we're going to do that too. I'm trying to figure stuff out. OK, so if you look on the board, there's a button that says social. Yeah. There you go. That's the one. Wow. There you go. It's been a while. This is the thanks for being a member of the show, everyone. Yeah. Space vidcast forever remembered for a Shuttle launch in HD. NASA TV still stands standard definition with overlays that set the bar for everyone. Yeah, actually, yeah. Thank you. Those were fun times. Those really were fun times. That's actually how we cut our teeth. We've been around for 14 years now, if you can believe it. We've been doing crazy stuff like this for 14 years. And the reason we stick around isn't because of anything other than we just love doing this stuff. We are all, I was like, aerospace engineers? No, we're all enthusiasts, just every last one of us. We all love this stuff. That's why we do this show. And so we like to sit here and geek off. That sounds terrible. Burbage, let's try that again. Let's try that again. Family show after all these years. Exactly. We're all space nerds. And so we all just like to hang out and geek out over space. And frankly, this live show is not for everyone. There are going to be a lot of people who are like, this is random. You're not talking about anything. I don't understand. The whole point of this is this show should be a bunch of space nerds getting together, having a drink, geeking out over space. That's what I want this show to be. If I wasn't on a diet, I'd have a martini. Yeah, so let's say if I wasn't on some good stuff, I'd have a nice beer with me right now. And Ryan can't drink. Are you too young to drink? He's 11. We determined he's 11. Anyhow. Well, I'm sorry, Ryan. We keep picking on you today. And that's not nice, so. It's not. But I feel like we find a target for each show. And we seem to hone in on that target. I thought I was the target for this show based on pre-show. Like, I was getting like. We were dragging you over the coals. You were in pre-show. But somehow we refocused that energy on Ryan. And I don't know why. Because he's first. Because he's first. Oh, it was like, we haven't really talked to him yet. And we are 13 minutes into the show. And he basically said, yeah, crew two and crew three. So we should hand it back to Ryan. Yeah, go ahead, Ryan. This is my cue. I just start talking again. I'm sorry, Ryan. It is hard. Hang on. It's hard when you're on Zoom. It's hard when you're on Zoom. We got him to laugh, at least. Oh, goodness. Goodness. He just goes charred. Did we pug lock him? No, not quite, but it's very funny, I guess. We're flirting with pug lock. Flirting with pug lock. So, Ryan, you were excited that crew two came home. So was I. Yeah. Excited that crew three went up. Actually, and they got there really early, too. Yeah, that was like, I think it might have been the fastest time Dragon has ever got to the ISS. It was crazy. They're not saying, like, a day. They were trying to impersonate Soyuz. They missed out by, like, 20 hours, but it doesn't matter. It was still quite quick in Dragon terms. Yeah, it was 21 hours from leaving Kennedy to arrive all at station. What's 20 hours among friends? A long time. Let me tell you, it's a long time. Yeah, but, you know, it's just the way it goes. Did they have all the toilet stuff fixed on endurance? No, because it was a big deal, right? Look, all I'm going to say is that if I'm going to spend 21 hours inside of a small capsule with three other people, I hope the toilet is working. I'm just saying. I believe it was. Thank goodness. So, because I think there was a bit of hoo-ha, whether they were going to be able to get it done in time. The point is, there's no hoo-ha, right? So we didn't have an Apollo 10 incident during this flight, right? What is that quote? Like, who has a turd? What is the Apollo 10 quote? It's about a floating turd, right? Yeah, it's the, we jokingly call it the Apollo 10 turd incident. I don't remember the exact website. Because someone's poop ended up getting outside of the bag. I think my favorite one, my favorite line in that whole thing is like at the end of the transcript, because it's John Young. And you know John Young. Just the way he's like his voice and everything. And it's just, God almighty. He's thinking about John Young saying that, floating around trying to clean up a poop. And the best part, you know, the best part about that transcript is all three of them are not taking the blame for it. I didn't do it. It ain't one of mine. Yeah, it's not one of mine. I don't think it's one of mine. Mine was a little more sticky than that. Hold that away. Oh yeah, that is it. Oh yeah, Joseph's got it in there. So, yeah, give me a napkin quick. There's a turd floating through the air. My Thomas Stafford. So, yeah, good stuff. This is what happens. There's some really good ones in the chat room that I wish I could pull up, but you know. So that's how we go. Yeah, you're talking, you're talking SpaceX. So I'm like really excited. Yeah, I know, I know. I can't talk about SpaceX. I'm aware, I'm aware. And then Crew 2 had to wear the maximum absorbent liquid undergarment thing, what's it called? I can't remember the name of it, so. I think the official term is maximum absorption of garments. Yeah. So, yeah, use that. What is that? It's too early for acronyms. Mags, there you go. I had to think about that. It's too early. So they did have to use those. There was a very funny quote from Megan McArthur, which was suboptimal. So I put that in the news episode. I thought that was quite funny. You put it in the title, if I remember right. Like that was in the thumbnail. Wasn't it? No, that was just a quote graphic. That's right, you just put that in discord. I probably should have put it in the thumbnail. Yeah, I think you should have too. They would have worked out pretty well. So, yeah, we would have gotten the people to come in and tune in and say, what is the suboptimal? Oh. Change your, yeah. Yeah. So now we know they fit in. Now we know that those maximum absorbent garments can fit inside of those slick-looking suits. So now that's all I'm ever gonna think about when I see those cool suits. Like super futuristic looking and slick and cool and everything, but they can like potty in them. So, yeah, because I'm 12. So that's the way it goes. So, yeah. So what was the original, originally supposed to overlap with each other, right? Crew 2 and Crew 3? The plan was Crew 3 would launch. They'd, Crew 2 would introduce them to the space station, say hi and do the hugs and whatever they do and show them around and show them the sleeping areas and all that who-ha. But because of the wonderful Florida weather and somewhat Atlantic Ocean weather, they were unable to do that. So Crew 2 had to come home first and then Crew 3 had to launch after them, but it's still okay because they know, they pretty much already know what they were doing. It was more of just a ceremonial thing for Crew 2 to stay up longer, but because Dragon was reaching near its expiry date, they did have to bring them home first. Yeah. And with Crew 3 going up as well, with the crew on Crew 3 with Roger Charry, he was a rookie, right? I believe so. Yeah. So I believe this would actually be the first rookie commander, I want to say since Skylab 4? We'll see with Jerry Carr with that. I don't think I knew that. There were a couple of first-time astronauts. I think I saw, during the welcome ceremony, didn't they pin two wings? For Crew 3? For going up? Yeah, going up. Well, yeah, Roger Charry is a rookie. So, but he's a commander. I know I get that, but then there was another rookie as well, right? I think so. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they pinned two wings during the welcome because I was awake for the welcome ceremony, too. Three, apparently, on the Wikipedia article. Oh, wow. See, there you go. Roger Charry, Mattias Mora, and Caleb Barron were the first space crew. It's all a lot of wings. It's only Thomas Marshburn who's flown before. Yeah. What about, you know, our chat room will probably be able to figure out who was the previous rookie commander of a flight as well. So I would imagine that would, I think that's either going to be Skylab 4 or a very early shuttle mission. I would imagine something with that. ISS above is angry at us because we didn't get to him fast enough saying, saying three and he's like, I guess this chat is apparently invisible. No, it's just a lot to do. We got there. We got the three. We're working this. We're working this. We got there. So we'll get there. We'll get there. We gotta keep up with the six. They're so demanding. So there's more inputs here than there were rookie astronauts on that flight. So take it easy. Oh yeah, somebody's saying inspiration for us. Oh, that's a good point. What technically inspiration for it would be four. An all rookie flight. An all rookie flight, yeah. Yeah, yeah, which I don't, I mean. Well, except for the vehicle. Yeah, well, the vehicle was a rookie. So except for the second stage, that was a rookie too. So I guess NASA mission. NASA mission internet says I have to be a pedant tonight with all, with everyone else. So with all of those, so with Dragon sorted out and everything with that, are they now moving ahead with their getting ready for cargo to send up with the next CRS? Hold up, they're bringing up like, there are many rookie commanders, like all of new shepherds as well. Okay, look. Look. Yeah, yeah, you got like, this is starting to unravel on you there, Jared. NASA. NASA. That's gonna be a gift in about 20 minutes. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Less than 20. That'll go somewhere on the internet and be there forever. That doesn't, Jared, to see, you know, the audio edition of the podcast, that will not translate well. No, it won't. So people won't understand that I just. I have no idea. I might make it into the thumbnail. Yeah, people won't. Just a square version of you looking at the camera like mouth of gape and just the text NASA tomorrow live. Well, hey, I mean, it's better than having a whole big old box of shapes and just like destroying those on air. So like has happened before, right? So that's true. Yeah. So for our audio view, our audio viewers. I told you this show was gonna be something special tonight. I was, I told you that was going to happen. Yeah, we still need to get back into our groove. Like, give us a hot minute here. Like this, there's a lot of inputs going on. There's a lot going on. Yeah. So what happens first? We're in our groove. SLS launches or Starliner flies. Which one? Which of those three happens first? Which of those three happens first? Oh, she created a Twitter poll for that one. So, I don't know. I don't know. So, but yeah. Secky says, wait until Jared has been drinking a while. Who's to say I haven't been? Yeah, it's about to say. So, well, there's no banana costume here tonight. So, you know, with all that there, that's it. Yeah, I know these are things that people are not going to understand, but that just adds to the mystique. So, I've lost control of my show. I've lost control of my show. Did you have control to begin with? Never had control of my show. Costetta ultimately has control. Rockets Jared, let's get back to Rockets. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's just these tangents. So, with everything coming up. So, with the Starlink launch, it's going to be happening tomorrow. What is new about these specific stuff? What is new about these? It is Florida, Jared. Like the weather will dictate what it's going to do. Look, I know, okay. And I haven't looked up what the weather is set for either. I think it's actually trending better. Yeah. The last I looked it was trending better. I was going to say, we've had Scrubtober in November now. So, I mean, it's someone who's mentioned, because I was complaining on Twitter, someone mentioned that like, this is just what happens in the winter, like in Florida. Yeah, it just, that's how it goes. So, wintertime in Florida, that's how it goes. So, with the Starlinks that are going up tomorrow, is there something new and different about these specific Starlinks compared to the previous ones? Or are we just continuing to build out the constellation? So, they're continuing to build out the constellation, but they are going to the new fourth shell. It's going to be the first launch of 53 Starlinks that goes to the new fourth shell. And I'm not sure if this is just my late night brain doing this, but I don't think they've actually launched to the third shell yet. Because they launched to the first one. They launched to the second one from Vandenberg, or they've started launching. Well, I can't remember a third shell launch. So, I think this is, I think they've forgotten how numbers work. Well, I mean, so is NASA. This is Starlink 51L. That's a shuttle joke. That's a space shuttle joke. I was, for those of you who jumped to this part of the episode, I was referencing something that happened earlier. Yes, in the episode. And that was, yeah. Way to be inclusive. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Jamie. You're welcome. Thanks for that one. I'm letting you just so, in case you didn't think it was funny, it was, in fact, funny. Thank you. As we move on from your funniness. Thanks. So, with this fourth shell, so, explain to me what we're talking specifically about shells. So, orbital shells. What do we mean by that? Each shell is a different altitude and possibly inclination group two. They're being launched out of Vandenberg because they need to go to a polar orbit. Shell one and four, they're being launched out of the Cape because they don't need to go to a polar orbit. They can go to a normal orbit or wherever they need to end up because the satellites will be repositioning themselves slowly over time in order to create a global network for internet providing everywhere. Gotcha. And you know, they were usually launching with 60 and you're saying they're launching with 53. Is there a reason for that specifically? I can't figure out whether this is going to be a rideshare or not because usually they dip it down to 53 when they've got a rideshare mission. I'm not sure. So they may have something else on board but I can't currently see if anything else will be on board. Can't you? Okay. Yeah, I was just taking a gander at what we've got here which is that they're going to be going to a 53 degree inclination with this. So that's a little, I think it's a little more than the previous Starlink satellites, if I want to recall correctly or it's right on somewhere around there. It's somewhere around the previous. Yeah. And also the altitudes, I think they're a little bit lower than I remember them seeing which is that 131 miles and 210 miles. I think so. Yeah. Oh, excuse me. I wonder why you froze there. 212 kilometers and 339 kilometers. There we go. So sorry about that. That's why, that's how it stopped. Yeah, coltillaring in my brain trying to do the maths there. I believe I just did that. I really do apologize. There was visible smoke Jared. You got to be careful. I'm so sorry. But eventually they're getting up to 540 kilometers as is. So they're just going to climb their way up the orbits into that area right there. So that's pretty cool. And obviously Starlink is running for people who are on beta right now, right? Yes. Okay. Do you know anybody who's got Starlink? No. No. Did you apply for Starlink? I put my name in the beta program but it's a bit expensive. Yeah, I noticed that. It is a little bit expensive with that. I don't know if I should answer my own question on air because I know a lot of astronomers. So it may not, and well yeah, I put my name in for the beta program. So yeah, just to see what would happen. Because you value internet over stars? No, because I only have one internet provider in my choose whichever you'd like neighborhood. So yeah, it'd be nice to have a second one. So because my internet at my house will often run slower than the downlink capability of Juno from Jupiter. So in case you wanted to know. So way to go. Why don't you just move to Jupiter then? You know, you haven't thinking about that. We want to get you to Mars. So why don't I go to Jupiter? He's been trying to lose weight, dude. Thanks for that. I'll remember that next time with that there. So thank you, Dada. I appreciate that. I feel that both here and here. So I like this comment. Ryan is trying to get his dad to pay for it. By the way, Jedi master is his dad. Thank you, Ryan's dad. That's brilliant. OK, so Ryan, obviously I got to talk to you about something that happened today because it was a little it was a little bit of a whoosh. Today will happen today. Are you talking about starship? Yeah. OK, so for the first time ever in history, we've had six Raptors firing inside of a starship vehicle. We had three Raptor vacuum engines and three sea level Raptors. It was a very, very big whoosh from the bottom of starship. Didn't last for that long. But the whole point of this static fire test is to make sure that everything works so hopefully they can get them burning for a little bit longer before the orbital flight test. Or they'll just send the vehicle straight up. That depends what they, whatever the team down in Texas just decide to do. And also it looks like some there was less thermal protection than there was on the previous static fire. So they've it seems that they've improved their adhesive or whatever they use to attach the star bricks onto the side of the vehicle, which is also pretty good because we actually want starship 20 to survive reentry. Yeah, and I was, you know, I've been wondering about that because I, you know, I don't recall anybody ever putting the thermal protection system, at least adhesing it to a surface that's at cryogenic temperatures like some of those tiles are going to be at. Adhesing? Did I, what did I say? Adhesing. Good zootite. Adhesing? What's wrong with adhesing? That's not even a word. Well, it is now. Hold up. Why? Is that not a word? Adhesing? All right, internet. Is that a word? Ready to go. Keep going at the thing, but I want to know if that's a word. Well, so he says it's a 10. Okay, I can't speak tonight. I don't know what's going on. So I haven't even tried. That word. Yeah. So as we just move along to that way, I don't look too dumb on the internet. Oh, too late. I'm already here. So today I was called, if I recall correctly, I saw a lot of people saying that it was a pre-burner test today. What exactly is a pre-burner? There was a pre-burner test before the static fire test. And I had to put this simply. There was basically a lot of wumpf before the shwumpf. Gotcha. Okay. Gotcha. So it's kind of... I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? There was a lot of wumpf before the shwumpf. So, yeah. I'm not entirely sure I understand. One more time for me. There was what? There was a lot of wumpf before the shwumpf. Got it. I got it three times. Thank you very much. That's fantastic. So I'm being told adhering is the way it should work. That is also what my Google search... I really tried to make it easy and work. Well, I mean... But I think you know what? Hang on. English language is whatever we decide it is. It is. Language is a communications mean so that you can convey ideas. Yes. Adhesing. You know what's happening when you're adhesing something into another surface. We are going to get that added to the dictionary just for Jared. Thank you. Thank you so much. Adhesing is now a word. All right. So say we all. All right, Webster, you heard us here. Right now, the authority on the English language that adhesing is a word. So say we all. Yes. So say we all. That's how that goes. Yeah, Michael says we have new tech terms now with that. I feel like that goes in with my turn and burn, you know, because people were mad that I was saying the first stage would then turn and burn. And I really don't care because turn and burn sounds really cool because in my mind it's turning and burning. And yes, it is technically pitching and then burning but pitch and burn, that doesn't sound cool. No, it doesn't. Turn and burn sounds way cool. Yeah. It's like some top gun stuff. So, and everyone wants to see a stage one do some top gun stuff. So I'm just saying it. So it's pretty cool. So before the Schumpf, I like that. Oh yeah, as Abby, hi Abby was just saying with that there. So that is so, so cool. All right. What is there anything like in the next couple of weeks coming up that's looking pretty exciting for SpaceX? Like what we got coming up with them? Well, there's a Starlink launch tomorrow morning, Jared. Are you sure about that? No, I am not. Okay. The last time I saw it was 80% positive. So just forget about the 20% negative part. Yeah. Be happy. Let's be more positive about the weather as opposed to bringing this negative as an 80% chance it will fly. See, there you go. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a lock's tank half full attitude right there. You've never been to Florida. Have you? I have, I have several times. It was, it was mostly nice. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, cool stuff. And then, oh, they're gonna be launching Dart soon, which is the double asteroid redirection test. So. Are they? Yeah. That's gonna be happening just a little bit before American Thanksgiving here in the States. What's Thanksgiving? Never heard of that. What's that? Sounds kinda pointless. Suddenly Jonathan's gun off is ringing through my head. I think we can drop that call now. Well played, Ryan. Well played. I'm sorry, where are you calling from again? What part of the world are you in? No? Okay. Obviously not America. We just lost half of our subscribers. Yeah, that's how it goes. So, it's okay. So, but yeah, it'll be happening just before that and I'm super excited about it because I'm hoping I'm gonna actually get out to Vanden Fog to see it happen, hopefully. You'll probably hear it. Well, you'll definitely hear it happen if it doesn't launch on time with that. And I think I should grab some tomorrow patches. And if you find me out there, I'll give you a patch. Give out some Orbit 11 patches. Is that what those are? Yeah, that's what they are. So, we should probably get those moving. Are they Orbit 11 or Orbit 12 patches? I think so. They might be Orbit 11 patches. There's a star for every Orbit. Yeah, there's a star for every Orbit. And then like, we just didn't do more. You know, it had changed the design every year. So, that's, I mean... Well, yeah. We spent so long trying to get them into space. Yeah, we tried. We tried. There was the Yeats Space Company that happened. Oh my goodness. Are we done with space sex? Was there more that happened by the way? I don't know. What do you say, Ryan? I want to talk about some rockets being just being lobbed into the atmosphere. Yes, it's so cool. I just brought it up, but I don't know much about it other than like, it's at Spaceport America, right? It's so ridiculous. And like... It's a spinny thing that goes really fast. It's a spinny thing. That's the name of the company. It's a spinny thing that goes really fast, LLC. So... Spinny thing, LLC. It's a giant... Yeah, but basically that's it. It's a giant centrifuge. And then let's go. Yeah, I mean, you could call it a mass accelerator. Oh yeah, that's a much better way to look at it. Yeah, a mass accelerator. Yeah, it's a nice way. When it hits the atmosphere, I'm like, how does it not just break up an atmosphere? Because you're going through thick, heavy air. Yeah, I think if I recall correctly, somebody figured out that whatever they ejected from their mass driver or mass accelerator, oh my God, that's going to be a tough one to stick with. It's a heezy with it there. I think they figured out, they actually left out about the speed of sound, if I recall correctly. Yeah, that was Scott Manley. Oh, okay. So, oh, thank you for the picture. So there it is. Yeah. And that would be speed of sound at sea level, I assume. I hate using the speed of sound as a way to measure things because the speed of sound is variable. Yes. Right? So like, speed of sound at where? That's the space snail. True. Hashtag space snail, yeah. What about Mach? Is Mach okay? It can reach 20 G. No, it's the same problem. Well, I thought Mach was like a standardized thing because I always- Mach is the speed of sound. Right. Yeah, so yeah, and the problem is- At standard temperature and pressure at sea level, right? Yes. Okay. Well, sure. But it also scales with atmospheric pressure. Okay, fair, fair. Right. And that's why it's a stupid way to measure any, it sounds cool. It does. Right? Like, oh, Mach 25. Five times faster than the speed of Mach 25. But like, but then as soon as you know what the speed of sound is and how that works, you go, but where? Right. Right, so I get like, speed of sound, where? Well, I was gonna say, I know how the speed sound works and I've never thought that. Really? Yeah, because I've always just thought, damn, that's fast. I mean, it's okay. Yeah, it's fast. Just like, holy smoke. It sounds cool, but you don't actually really understand how fast it's actually going. I think is the problem. Okay. Unless you have more data given to you and at that point, just give the actual speed. Gotcha. Kilometers per second. Yeah, that works. That's a good way to work. Meters per second. Yeah, meters per second. Meters per second per second, yeah. Yeah, put that there. So, but yeah, it's so, I think it's so cool that, that this like ridiculous idea that like people were saying years ago doesn't, like, they're like, there's no way they're even gonna end up building one and then there they go and they built one. Well, hang on. Joseph Gruber has a really great question in the chat room and I completely agree with this question. I wanna know who they think this market, this thing is for. What are we gonna launch into the mass accelerator, the mass ejection system? It's gonna have to be super hardware because the G-forces involved are just insane. Yeah, did someone earlier said, I think Scott Manley figured out it was like 25 goes? 20, 10, over 10,000 I think. 10,000 goes? To actually get into orbit? 10,000 goes for Gs, 10,000 Gs, 10,000 goes for the full-scale launcher. Yes. So, that's eyes-back Gs forces right there, eyes-back G forces. You're not gonna, you're not gonna put a human in there, no, I got it, I got it. But you can do solid-state electronics. You gotta think that there's rounds that the military uses that use solid-state electronics. Well, I mean, you joke about rocks, but. Even that doesn't work in many cases because there are things like suspended inside of chips. You have a camera too. And stuff, I, it's there. Yeah, there you go. There's things suspended inside of chips and stuff. You still have to, they still have to survive that. And it's a process that's done over a long period of time, oh, too. It's not like we're going to accelerate you in three seconds, it's like minutes that they're continually spinning and spinning until they go through their release. Yeah, but it sounds, it's ridiculous looking and that's why I love it. Well, that's one way to put it. Well, I actually do love this comment from Sekie. I still don't know how to pronounce this. She's the name Sekie, Sekie. They just set the, want the world record for yeeting. That's true, they did. That is what was going around the Twitterverse the entire time for all of that. Yeah, just, yep. Yeah, that'd be amazing. So, I mean, I feel like this is more one of those things that's sort of like long term down the road, like what about Offworld? That's exactly what I was about to say if you put this like on the moon. It makes sense to put something like this on the moon. Next to Ryan's Mars, home. Yes. So, if you're going to bring back from the moon a bunch of moon rock, say you put it inside of a capsule and put it in a stang and then chuck it at the moon. It's like, it's like a big pumpkin chucker. Mm-hmm. I mean, that'd be kind of cool. A trebuchet, right? That's what those things are? Yeah. It's a space trebuchet. I think that's how you pronounce it. Can we grab a bunch of helium-3 from the moon, stick it in a canister, and shoot it towards the Earth? Sure, why not? As long as you can decelerate it before it reaches ground over here. So, it just popped up on the lower third, but I'll bring it up as a full screen as well. Christian Bradley-Hubbs asks, where's spin launch located at or near Airspace America, or Spaceport America? Yeah, take that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so look, I can tell from the video that they were at Spaceport America, looked like in the area around, sort of outside in the outskirts of it, where they have testing facilities at, because Virgin and Galactic isn't the only people that operate out of Spaceport America. There's actually quite a few people that operate there. A lot of aerospace companies and things like that as well. So that's what it looked like to me, but I believe their headquarters, their official headquarters for hardware development and stuff is in Long Beach here in the Los Angeles area. There's so much aerospace here. Yeah, so, yeah. Like right here, in the Long Beach area, like you've got... Virgin-Rabbit Relativity Rocket Lab. The laboratory, yep. Just, and then not launch. Spin launch, yep. JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Boeing, in Long Beach. Yeah, JPL's not in Long Beach. The launch is like L.A. in general. Well, yeah, then you can expand that to SpaceX. Everybody, basically. Yeah, there's a Boeing facility in Long Beach too, I think they do satellites. Yeah, I was gonna say, with that, so yeah. James Webb Space Telescope was over here for an extended amount of time. Yeah, Northrop Grumman down in El Segundo, so, yeah. Don't drop it, please don't drop it. Please don't drop it, please don't drop it. Drop it, please be careful, please be careful. I remember looking at it going, don't break it, please don't break it. Yeah, how do you think I feel about that? Make sure the bolts are in the table before you lift it up. Oh goodness, Dada, please, not again. I had nightmares for a couple days after that, so. Oh, according to Joseph, Colorado is aerospace alley. What's in Colorado? The Air Force. The United States Air Force has a lot of their space stuff in Colorado, or I guess it's Space Force now. Where's ULA? Yeah, they're Denver, aren't they? I think they're Centennial, Colorado, which is Denver area, so. If I remember correctly. Grumman, okay, yeah. Grumman is, okay. Yeah, yeah, cool stuff. So lots of, it's all over the place. Diacol, so, yeah, I don't think they're called Diacol. Jared, what are you excited about this week? What's up? I'm excited about this week. Oh my gosh, there were so many things to kind of talk about. Do you have notes? Are you cheating with notes? I'm not cheating with notes, but I am kind of cheating with notes. I just realized Ryan could have been cheating with notes this whole time, and we wouldn't have known. Yeah, our scripted this whole show. Ryan, you don't say very much during the show, so it's not a very long script. I'm sorry I missed a line. Nice, it's done. Refer to your notes. I was, one of the things that has been on my mind obviously a lot this week was James Webb because we got the results in. Three weeks in a row. Well, look, okay. Are we getting a James Webb update every week until they launch? I'm so excited, I'm gonna be so excited. You know how we did the inspiration for updates every day? Maybe we should do an update. When you say we, you mean Ryan? You remember how Ryan did the inspiration? I remember how Ryan did the inspiration for updates every day. They were amazing. Yeah, thank you, Ryan. I should do something like that for James Webb. And today is day five and they've released them. They'll be doing that for several years. Well, okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh my gosh. Ryan is winning this show. Wow. He doesn't say a lot, but what he does say is hilarious. That'd be several updates. I hope you don't wanna do it, Daniel. That's because it's late at night and he's tired. He's gonna smack down. Just go a thousand yard stare at this point. Which translates again so well for the podcast. Thank you for that, Jared. You're welcome. That's why I said I have a thousand yard stare so that people could visualize it in their heads. That's not enough meters to get to him. Fair enough. But I could, we could do updates like day by day with James Webb and be like, okay, this is what happened. You know, they released this bolt today. So not compelling updates is what you're saying? Oh, sure, if you wanna put it that way. If you wanna have $10 billion, potentially not working, not compelling, I guess. So we could roll the dice at the end of every episode and see if it's gonna really complete. What do the dice say? Maybe I'd say or something. Oh, we know what we should do. We should get a giant magic eight ball. And every, no, really, no, really. All right, internet I wanna know. In the comments, is this a good idea? Would this be fun? Kind of in this weird area in front of the table, again, this is not gonna translate well in the audio podcast, but we could put a giant magic eight ball. And then every week, we could ask the giant magic eight ball what it thinks of James Webb Space Telescope and we'd just shake the giant magic eight ball and be like, you know, future uncertain or something like that. Oh my God, can we not? Why? I feel like it would be about as accurate as whatever timing they've got put out for James Webb. Well, it's gonna be very accurate, I would hope. But to kind of get back to what I wanted to talk about. We can use it for any new space launch ever. I feel like this is a great idea. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we should definitely, we should definitely, I'm getting just tons of yeses. Yeah, oh yeah, I could see. Oh my God, everybody's saying yes. We could use it like on live, if we ever live stream launches, we could definitely use the eight ball, you know, for different things with that. I think that would be fun. But obviously one of the big things that they were talking about with James Webb was the payload fairing separation of the Ariane five because they were worried about the pressure when that happens, ripping the shield on there, the sun shield, which is gonna protect James Webb from most of the heat of the sun. And they have finally run all the numbers on it and everything looks great. So they described it as perfect. So we'll have to see. Watch that be the device that fails. You don't tend to launch gods with calling something perfect. I know, but look, I'm not, I'm. That's like when Vandenberg issues a 100% chance of go or like whatever, I'm like, don't issue 100%. Give yourself some wiggle room. Don't do that. Don't do that. Titanic was sinkable, unsinkable too. Exactly, exactly. I mean, we could also, we could go the other way and just say, you know, it's gonna be, there could be huge problems with everything. And then, you know, it works okay because of that. So it's like once I went to a Vandenberg launch that had a 20% chance of go because of weather and it went so. Could you see it? Yes. Okay. Yeah. It's beautiful. It was like low clouds, low broken scattered clouds. It was great. It was at night. It was amazing. That was the clearest launch he attended there. I bet. I did like the comment from Kerbal Engineering Systems, which says the launch gods are spiteful entities. Yes, they are. Very true. Yeah, there's lies. Very true. There's dandelies and then there's launch schedules. Whoa, hold up. Is this true? I don't know if this is true, but JTTV says there are 300 plus single point failures on James Webb Space Telescope. Sounds about right to me. That is frightening. Yep. I do not like single points. I work hard to engineer out single points of failure. Yep. We all do. Yeah. Yeah. That is absolutely terrifying. Yeah. That's what happens. Oh, Joseph says no. No, not with that. And point with an up arrow and he was the comment right below it. So I feel like saying 300 single points of failure on James Webb Space Telescope is one of those things that feels correct because of how late it is and not all the issues, but it's probably not actually correct. Like emotionally that tracks, but logically and realistically it's probably not true. Yeah. That doesn't actually make sense. I just pulled it up real quick. It says about 100 in there. That's still way more than I was expecting. I figured it would be like, oh, and Joseph is saying is that for two? Okay, well, that doesn't matter. Somehow you still ended up being right. Okay, yeah, there's a lot. And it's very nerve wracking with that. So yeah, it's kind of frightening. And then like even more bad news with Space Telescopes is 144 mission critical points of failure sounds like. Oh my gosh. But that doesn't mean single. This number just keeps going all over the place. Hang on, hang on. A mission critical point of failure does not mean single point of failure. That's true, right? Yeah. There's a difference. Yeah, that's very true. So yeah, that we're just gonna hope for the best for everything with that. But also Hubble's down now too at the moment. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, Hubble went into safe mode and they're trying to recover it from a glitch that happened on board. Blue screen? And still, I don't know if it was a blue screen. Windows 95 has stopped responding. Yeah, well actually, I think it would be even before that. Windows 3.1. There we go, that sounds a bit more. Windows 1.0. Bing, bing, bing. Yeah, there's Intel inside, right? Yeah, so it stopped, they're working with it. It's responding with things, but they're still working with it. I wonder if they could space-qualify an M1 processor. Oh, the Apple one? Yeah, so here's the thing. I don't know how many people know this. Processors that go into space are usually... Ages old. They're really old and they're several generations. They're IBM... 8086. They're risk-based processors. No, they're like risk-based processors. I cannot remember the name of them. It was the... Before Mac moved to Intel, they used PowerPC, basically. There we go. They're PowerPC processors. Where's Vax when you need them? Yeah, exactly, where's Vax? They're these really, really old processors and they run at really slow clock speeds. Although, I will say, okay, so I thought that was a really good idea. And now, actually, you mentioned Vax's headroom and his words are coming back to me, which is, we don't need more processing power in space. We're doing pretty good already. Although, really, if we gave a space engineer an M1 processor and it didn't have radiation heads, let's just say somehow it worked great and it didn't have to have huge, heavy radiation. Magic. Magic, magic M1. That's what the M stands for, magic one processor. Exactly. So the magic one processor in space and you don't have radiation issues, don't you think the developers could maybe use that speed for something really cool? Image processing, kind of like what you do on your iPhone, but on a giant telescope, can you imagine that? Yeah, but why would the telescope need to do the image processing? You can do the processing on the ground. Yeah, but then you could do the processing up on the telescope and get bigger, broader, more awesome things that then, because you only have a limited pipe coming back. Yeah, but you also have patience. Yeah, but then you could do more. I don't know. Okay, yeah, you're probably right. I don't think you could. Hang on, that basically was Vax's headroom's point. I brought us off on this huge tangent that is not making any sense because basically Vax was like, we don't need that power and speed. Like we've got more than enough, we're just fine. That's the last time I- The critical key is that the power, we have power and speed here on the ground, which is where that processing's gonna end up happening at. So what they need more of is bandwidth. Yes. Yeah, that's true. Although Joseph Gruber does say onboard data processing is the next step for Earth observation satellites. Actually, no, that does make sense because you do have limited pipes and you need to be able to process as much stuff as you can in real time and shoot it down as fast as you can. So yeah, there's a world where that makes sense. I derailed our conversation something fierce by talking about the magic one processing. No, it's still really cool that we have to deal with radiation hardening, everything and things like that. I don't think people realize how big of an issue radiation in space is. Like you think about the human body and whatnot, but if you hit a computer with radiation, it does not like that and it starts just freaking out and sending random numbers out and it can't do math correctly anymore. Yeah. And it's kind of what that computer needs to do in space to keep people alive or keep the spacecraft oriented correctly. Yeah, you basically kind of start sending the wrong kind of particles in the wrong directions, so which is not good for a computer, so not particularly helpful. But I guess if there's one thing I would like to at least mention to everybody here on the Earth at least, so you don't have to be like in LA or Vandenberg or Kennedy or Baikonur, wherever you may be at to see something. You do have to be somewhere specific on the planet to catch this, but next week we're gonna be having a partial lunar eclipse. Ooh. Which is really cool, so it's when the moon slides into the shadow of the Earth. So obviously the Earth, there's always a shadow being cast behind it because we go around the sun, so there's a shadow back there. Most of the time the angle of the moon's orbit means that it's not gonna slide through the shadow, but sometimes once, sometimes twice a year, a flat Earth, there's worse nightmare comes true and the moon goes right through the shadow and you can see that we're in a round planet. It's spherical, so just to kind of let everybody know that's gonna start at 6.02 coordinated universal time on a November 19th, it'll peak at 9.02, so almost nice even three hours with that there. Just missed three hours by 46 seconds. You're back on coordinated time, aren't you, Ryan? You perfectly match with coordinated time. It's fantastic, and then in March at all, the world will turn horrible again. Sorry. Yeah, so cool things about a total, or excuse me, really any lunar eclipse that you can catch, you don't need special equipment for it and you don't have to go to a specific spot on the planet in order to actually see it. That makes sense. So like in 2017 when we had the solar eclipse here in the United States, I went to Oregon and to get in the path of totality where the shadow of the moon is going to completely cover the sun and it was mind blowing, but you have to be in the right spot at the right time for that to happen. I feel like the path of totality is a cover band for someone. That's a new name of my plug, man. Yeah, path of totality. Yeah, actually maybe we're a little more death metal with that there, or rough jazz. So rough death metal or rough jazz. Yeah, rough jazz. That's a fairly, okay. It's coming. I'm not gonna ask. No, it's okay. So one of the cool things that I really love about lunar eclipses is just how accessible they are. So all- You can stare at the moon. You can stare at the moon, that's absolutely correct. You cannot look at the sun, and I always say this because people will always ask this, which is don't look at the sun ever. Don't look at it, the sun glasses on. Don't look at it with welder's glass, even welder's glass. It does not block all of the ultraviolet radiation that's coming from the sun. So no, don't do that, and especially don't look at the sun with binoculars or a telescope. I have a legitimately ignorant question. Yes. Okay, so at Griffith Observatory, I believe there is a solar telescope. Yes. Does that then have special filters blocking out? Is that the whole thing with that telescope? Is that it's just basically blocking out all the different UV radiation and whatnot? Yeah, it takes it down, it uses, so our telescope, the solar telescope at Griffith, it's called a celostat, and a celostat is basically a telescope without a tube for its body, because we have mirrors at the bottom of an area that reflect the light of the sun back to mirrors above them, and then those three mirrors at the top are angled in three different areas. But you're still focusing on, oh, okay. It gives us three different views of the sun. So one of them, the one that goes straight down is what we call a white-light image of the sun. So basically what your eyes would see, except we cut it down to about one 100 thousandth of a percent. So you have a giant, like, neutral density filter there. Yes. It's just knocking that. Big lens and filter that makes it work with that there. Then there's another one that's called a spectroscope, which allows you to see that ROYGBIV pattern, and there's black lines in it, and those black lines are certain elements absorbing certain wavelengths of light, which I think is absolutely amazing that elements do that. And that's how we take, you'll hear somebody say we took spectra of this galaxy, and we saw there's lots of hydrogen and helium in it. That's what they're talking about using the spectroscopes. It goes down to a prism that has diffraction in it, or basically little lines, breaks it up into ROYGBIV, and then it comes back up. You could look at the raw light of the sun in that way. That's pretty cool. But it goes through a very small slit. On that solar telescope, you're never, unlike a regular telescope, where you're looking in an eyepiece, you're actually looking at the light on a surface then at that point? Yeah, so with the spectroscope, you are looking through an eyepiece with that. And then with our spectra helioscope, which looks at what's called hydrogen alpha, which is the wavelength that hydrogen burns, or basically is really excited at. You also will use an eyepiece for that. But that's what it is. I know, but my mind went somewhere else. So I know, it's okay. We all love you still. And then the white light one in the middle, that's just a mirror reflecting onto a transparent glass. I believe it's transparent. I've actually never... Frosted glass, excuse me. Any time I was at Griffith, for some reason the solar telescopes were not running or you weren't allowed to see them or something. Usually it's cloudy or it's nighttime. Okay, well, it's not there at nighttime. That happens a lot at night. People will be like, where's the sun? It says live image of the sun, where's the sun? I was gonna say nighttime happens at least once every 24 hours. Every once in a while it happens. And then usually I like to tell people, how many quarters did you put in? And then explain to them, well, you know, it's set right now. Thank you, I'm not well versed in astrology, so I do appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. I'm gonna sit over here. You've never taken that bait when I've given it to you. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna keep doing it though. Yeah, that's fine. And every time you say that, I'm just gonna remind myself that astrology was originally us drawn at me back for about 4,000 years ago. It's just nowadays astrologers kind of forgot about the science bit. No, but I can still see you tweak a little bit. Just a little bit. Oh, definitely, yeah. I can see you're like, I'm not gonna give you the satisfaction, but I can still see it happen. Yeah, but what's really cool about lunar eclipses, if I could get back to that, you don't need special equipment. And all you gotta do is just look up in the sky, as long as you have a good view. Unless you're in the UK. Yeah, unless you're in the wrong half of the earth. Which would, by the way, we found out earlier someone tweaked. So I'm so sorry, Ryan. There was a comment earlier, but yeah, not in the UK. Yeah, I'm very sorry if you're in the UK, or basically the Middle East or Africa, you're not gonna catch this. Yeah, the capacitor is basically like, yeah, the lunar eclipse is not visible from the UK. Yeah, very sorry about that. So, but hey, you're gonna get, the next couple of ones in the UK will get them. It's not. The world is flat. Yeah, so. What? The earth is flat. I'm not even gonna. Oh, also Katrina said, Katrina said, I use a hydrogen and alpha telescope for solar observing. Looking forward to more active solar cycle. We have more astrologers in the chat. It's really hard for me to do that, because I'm like more astronomers. I'm like, that's not what I'm trying to do here. Yeah, I know what you're trying to do here. And it's not working. So, yeah. But if you're in Eastern Asia, Australia, South America, or North America, you will be able to see most of this partial lunar eclipse, which is pretty cool. And I'm really looking forward to it, because I'm gonna be up at work all night long, and we'll have a live stream on Griffith Observatory's YouTube channel. That's really cool. Assuming weather's good. You should tweet out that link on the tomorrow Twitter account when it sure will stuff and things, so that everyone can follow along. Definitely. Yeah, that'd be really cool. That's gonna be a really long night, but I mean, that's what you do as an astronomer. You stay up all night. Oh boo boo. Hold up. This is my, I'm sad for you, face. Yeah. Yeah, hang on. This doesn't work in the audio podcast either. I was about to say, hey Jamie, how well is that gonna translate in the audio version of this podcast? The moral of the story is, if you're listening on audio, you should also go back and watch a video, or watch live. I feel like it's, we're getting back into figuring out how in the world to interact with the chat room. I think we've got a couple of new moderators. They've been putting some great comments up on it, just like that. There you go. You can hear the tension from tickle stuff, stickle tough. Yeah, I like, yeah. Those poor podcast viewers. Harry, we're doing a callback from like an hour ago. Well done, Harry. Well done. Nate said, you nailed this show. Oh, it's amazing. No, no. We will lose, what do we, we're currently losing like a hundred members or 100 subscribers per month. Per month, yeah. Per minute, right now. It's great, I love it. No, no, legitimately the show is actually losing about, I think we're negative 127 subscribers for the month. It's so great. And that happened. Like we've been kind of like, I feel bad. Ryan took over the show and he actually knulled it out and then started doing positive gain. I show back up and we're back down to like negative 127. My favorite bit is always that people Like if you post more you'll get more subscribers so you start posting more and it the dip starts to go even through Like they want well-predicted so they I think a lot of space nerds want content like what? Tim Dodd the everyday astronaut does or like long for Scott man Yeah, like well research long-form deep dives long-form deep dives And I think this is very different show for a very different space nerd, right? So yeah, you know, we're not just SpaceX fanboys and fangirls like we enjoy all of aerospace And we're critical of all of aerospace and like all of it's fun and all of it's awesome And like we're not gonna only talk about SpaceX, but we will talk about SpaceX too And I think there are a lot of people who just don't care like they're in it for SpaceX, but that's fine That's fine. That's just not our this just not our fewer base. It's all way too exciting to just focus on one Yeah, like James Webb is going to be awesome like that is gonna be the coolest fireball Sorry, I'm sorry It's just you keep giving me a near heart attack every time Well, no that that's a launch. I'm gonna watch that's a lot. We're all gonna watch with yeah None of us are gonna be breathing for that entire launch that's gonna be incredible From decalage to orbital insertion three days later three days. No, no, no, no, no That's gonna be a 30 days later. We're gonna be holding our breath for like six months on that thing, right? Yeah Oh tickle stuff Flames webs You know the other reason so going back we're bouncing all over the place the other reason I think Lunar eclipses are cool is because it draws your attention back to space Yes to our nearest Astronomical neighbor Astrological neighbor, but no it to our nearest neighbor, and I think it's one of those inspiring things that like humanity You know for ages has looked up at the stars and made stories. We created mythology and gods out of the shapes of stars in the night sky and We've dreamed we dreamed forever of just being able to put humans on the moon And we while we did put humans on the moon for a very short amount of time I think a lot of us still dream of doing that and it's just kind of this really cool You know because it's in the night sky most of the time I think that we kind of We forget about it until something special happens and this is one of those something specials happening And I think one of the next something specials happening is going to be when in addition to like lunar eclipses It's going to be when humans land on the moon, and I think it's going to be you know, we are all too young Especially Ryan yeah, but we are all too young to remember humans walking on the moon. None of us were born yet so like we can study it and watch it and like I Can picture the Walter Cronkite footage that like just taken off his glasses and just you could see the raw emotion We haven't had that moment and I think it's exciting to think that We're going to have that moment and we're going to be able to walk outside and look up and realize that there are humans on That thing in the sky. Yeah, I think that's going to be incredible. That's also why I'm moon first over Mars But I don't think it's moon or Mars I think it's moon and then Mars and that sorry and the reason for that is I think the moon is more inspiring Everyone everyone on the planet can walk outside Look up and it's assuming it's in your field of view knows where the moon is However, if I walk out and I asked five people on the street point to Mars assuming it's in your field of view I'm not sure how many of them would be able to point to it. Yeah be pretty tough Mm-hmm, so I still you know I kind of get a little bit of a feeling with that too, but it's but it's Not just with the moon It's also with the planets as well because I'll look you know, I'll see Mars Prius Mercury's water planet plateau You know, that's more I'll see you know look out when Mars is there and I'll be like like there's stuff there that we put there that yeah That way on Mercury that planet is entirely inhabited by a robot. Yeah Mars Mars Well, it's not exactly there anymore. We'll message your litho break to the surface of mercury at the end of its mission, so But I mean I think about Mars and like there's like there's things orbiting that that are like studying that right now We're dry we're driving on that we think cubes there We can go outside right now and look up at Jupiter because Jupiter is visible, you know And we I can we can say that you know, there's a spacecraft of ours orbiting around that that bright dot You know out there and when Cassini was around, you know, we could look at Saturn and say the same thing about it I mean Saturn's in the sky now, so I guess we could go out and say hey, there's leftovers Wait, why do we get a giant side of it? Yeah, but what happened? What happened in the control room there good Cassini? Yeah, I miss Cassini too. That was really sad So that's like I saw that video the other day the grand finale video and I felt really actually I felt really sad During the part where Cassini's entering Saturn's atmosphere. It's firing its little thrusters train to aim at the earth It's trained so hard Cassini was the one that had like the silver foil instead of the gold foil, right so that it would Be less electrified in the radiation belt was that the Cassini I? Think it's Juno. That is Juno. Yeah, you're totally right. Juno. It's not a way well done Juno Also has the titanium vault as well the same problem. So the giant electro. Yeah back What is it's it generates electricity out there, right like it starts to electrify Yeah, there's there's belts of radiation around Jupiter because of Jupiter's Ridiculously potent magnetic field because Jupiter's a big thing hydrogen and if you got a big thing a hydrogen it's been in You know properly and you get an energetic. It makes a magnetic field So just like the Sun going backwards a step of flux lab says I think Tim Dodd will be this generation generations Cronkite could be yeah, I mean like he's he actually he's really passionate about you know all of it Yeah, and I think he does a really great job of Connecting to people on a human level, which I think is really important. So yeah, absolutely I said love to watch Tim Dodd do live coverage of humans like I think he would get His head would explode Yeah, he would there's no microphone but with enough dynamic range to capture his yelling in that moment No, but that would be ridiculous that kind of excitement is contagious. It is in a really good way Yeah, in a really really great way and inspiring and and I'm glad he has a lot of people that follow him I'm do enjoy what he does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I really enjoyed his firefly alpha coverage with that Actually, he did one of my favorite videos he did was The engine the inverted engine is a aerospike Sorry the aerospike engine video that he did I I learned a lot of stuff in that video that I had no idea Because you know it's kind of like oh no air spike engines make sense It's gonna be proponent of it and then by the time that and for that video I'm like they don't make as much sense. It's kind of like a hydro locks vehicles It's like oh that makes tons of sense And you start going over like how much weight you have to put into containing the hydrogen and you're like it makes less Sense not no sense less sense. So yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna be in a fan of aero spikes I'm gonna sit over here and not say anything. I'm not not a fan of aero spikes It's just they you know, it's it's one of those Things that we just have not been able to figure out and they just don't make a ton of sense right now Yeah, maybe we will in the future. Maybe that'd be nice honey. That'd be pretty neat. I need is that it's pretty neat It's pretty neat. Yeah Joe McCurdy says Tim Todd on the Falcon Heavy inaugural, which I think is like on the screen twice now He was screaming by the way, so was I there was Yeah, so on the first Falcon Heavy flight I have to be a little bit careful with this, but I'll keep it very broad I'm in a control room That is on the second floor and separated from mission control by a literal firewall, right? So there's You know a cinder block wall that's pretty thick in between us and mission control and I'm up a story so But we're still moderately close to mission control like you were you know again one story up and maybe I Don't know how far back but you know you got to kind of go around a corner and and I'm in that control room and it was So loud at liftoff. It was so loud that the On in our control room. We had to shout on Our own comms so we could hear each other and the glass wall Of the control room was shaking That's how excited everyone was especially like everyone right outside of mission control like all it made it through a firewall That sound made it through a literal firewall and into our control room. I don't get me wrong We were shouting in excitement as well You know like that is the level of excitement that was there and I remember at t0. It's like 10 9 8 7 it was the fastest countdown. I had ever heard in my life It was like 10 seconds happened in one second and then from t plus zero to t plus until it cleared the tower Which was I think like t plus seven or t plus ten that took a solid five minutes And then and then three seconds later we had Seca one Right, that's how that that's how Falcon Heavy worked for me And like it was just like it was it just it messed with my head. It was so incredible. It was so incredible Yeah, there's so much energy and excitement. Yeah I was gonna say I was at Columbia and we had field trips going on at that time And we've been monitoring it all day all morning because we wanted to make sure that when it happened We stopped the field trip at that moment and pull all the kids into wherever we could To make sure that they could watch it live and I did not think until Engine ignition of the boost the side boosters. I was like I was like this thing's not going Like they're gonna like this side boosters are light but they're gonna call in the board You're gonna see something they don't like it was the first launch attempt. I figured this is a brand new rocket It's it's a test flight of this vehicle. You're not going on your first attempt. Yeah, they did people like right They this is 27 engines that need to fire concurrently like that's not gonna happen Yeah, if one engine is there are thousands of parameters that are checked in those final three to five seconds I forget what it is on Falcon Heavy, but three to five seconds thousands of things that have to go right And if one thing goes wrong that rocket shuts down on the pad just one out of thousands Yeah, and you've got 27 engines all working in tandem and Nothing can go wrong not a single thing and I'm like we're boarding on the pad those engines will light and we'll shut off That's what's gonna happen, and we didn't and it was amazing. Yeah, it was so awesome Yeah, and then keeping the roadster on all day at work was pretty great Yeah, I quite like that and then watching watching it leave Because you could see the I have plume when I when I write my book my tell-all book I have stories about the roadster. I have a story like I have stories all good stories all good stories my Apple watch told me my heart rate hit a hundred and thirty during launch Well, that's pretty good because I was pretty nervous. Yeah, because I was like how many you how am I gonna explain this one blowing up in front of kids You know, right? I mean it would have been exciting one way or another. That's Elon's Best thing is that they not only were the kids yelling, you know about how awesome it was the parents for joining them to tickle stuff The Starships 33 engines looking sideways right now. Hey The difference between 27 and 33 is not that much. So like I don't know I don't have that same fear for Starship like it hadn't really been done before like the previous example of something like that Was basically the N1 Right the Russian and one rocket. Yeah with that many engines trying to concurrently fire I don't think of enough. I don't think there's another rocket that successfully flew I don't think there's any rocket that really successfully flew without many engines, is there? No, right? So like there wasn't a great example of something with that many engines in the past successfully flying and now now we have one And one's not a good example. Yeah, I feel like there's no that's my point It's like the pre prior to Falcon Heavy the example you could point out with that number of engines is n1 And that did not go so well for the end That was not a that's not a good data set to pull from yeah, honestly the N1 never ended well Especially, you know the higher altitude you got with it the less less well in it Yeah, I want a baseline with Jared watching a shuttle video and a Delta 2 video to see what his heart rate is Oh, Delta 2 will be higher because for the Saturn 5 it was 140. Hold up. Hold up. What if we show you STS 93? with the mission control loops Okay, so for those so I've watched that before already everyone has homework for those who've not done it go on YouTube after you're done watching this go on YouTube concur Go on YouTube and search for STS 93 MCC If NASA spaceflight is still in here, they have a phenomenal video on YouTube that gives you the mission control loops for MCCH Mission Control Houston that has booster It has one of the back room which is made main engines Yeah, actually, I think it has most I don't know I don't know how many people are actually included in the loop because there are other people that were clearly would have been talking But weren't included in their trajectory trajectory Traged was in there at least once. Yeah, but I think they I think they I think that those columns were edited to be things that were relevant To what was going on in the moment. I don't think so. I don't think so. Anyhow, so commanders in there Capcom's in there flight director is in there booster back room main engines I And I forget and you can hear and there's a Wayne Hale has an amazing blog post Detailing what happened with STS 93 STS 93? arguably is the space shuttle that came nearest to a Return to launch site other than there was an a there was an ATO and abort to orbit Whereas center engine went down on an STS 51F Yes, so we had an ATO and abort to orbit which came pretty like you get pretty close to an RTLS But I know arguably I would say STS 93 might be even close to RTLS because it happened right off the path. Oh, yeah STS 51F's ATO happened like it. I think it was like five minutes into the flight Yeah, they were already passed negative return If I remember right booster still had to call and then hit it because it looked like one of the other As space shuttle main engines was going to go down But it was just a it was just like a transient on it And they called you know inhibit on that to make sure that they didn't have to go Transatlantic landing or a towel. Yeah, so yeah, what it'd be a one-engine towel if that happened Yeah, which is a little scary to think about but they were far enough to make it happen so it's an incredible video if you've not seen it again just search for STS 93 MCC and and Just watch out all the way through and I really appreciate the calm and collectiveness of mission control Houston through that entire thing Like they're just it's everything on this orbiter when this is not a simulation This is a real flight moments after liftoff a pin had basically Pulled loose on one of the space shuttle main engines and shot through the engine Severing some of the avionics and cutting a hole in the cooling lines of the main engine itself So now the vehicle's leaking liquid oxygen on its entire ride to orbit And it just caused a series of issues right off the pad and they very calmly and collectively work the issues And it's hilarious because you blah blah blah. We're working this we've got a failure here We've got a failure here. This isn't working go throttle it Yeah, yep, yep, it's absolutely amazing. Yeah, I gotta say what listening. Oh, yeah, that's a I'm sorry Robert McAllister says the Scott Manley gold bullet video absolutely. Yeah, how a golden bullet almost took out the space show I think that's the title name. Yeah of it. Yeah, it's pretty amazing listening to that And as it leaves the pad all of a sudden there are way too many voices talking So because it's like everybody's talking all of a sudden that's not good Nerd plays nerd plays game says it was leaking hydrogen by the way I thought it was leaking oxygen liquid oxygen Because they loaded extra locks on the vehicle for a payload that they then ended up pulling off the vehicle And was not a hydrogen. It wasn't a fuel low level cut off It was a locks low level cut off that happened at the end I believe what happened is that the hydrogen leak Required more locks to be added So it was a leak of the hydrogen because if you're gonna I figure if you're gonna use anything to pull heat away liquid hydrogen It's what you're gonna use for it. It's really that makes sense. Yeah Yeah, but you got if you if you're adding more of one element to the combustion You have to add more of the other one as well in order to keep a stoichiometric mix Oh, yeah, definitely, but I feel like they had more the reserve on or their margin on liquid hydrogen was much Well, they have much more you they had with locks. Well, they ran out of locks, right? They had a low-level locks cut off. Yeah Well, I think little but I think if I remember correctly the low-level locks cut off just basically is like engines are like We're gonna stop before the turbo machinery shreds. Yeah, so I mean that basically means you're out of locks. Yeah It's basically literally please exactly as it sounds to say low-level. Yeah locks cut off Yeah, anyhow, you know, you're totally right. It was it was liquid hydrogen I just yeah mentally broke. I think they have like what was it like a five meter per second under speed Yeah, and every everyone saying hydrogen goes through the bow. Yes, you are all correct. It was liquid hydrogen There's the internet checking in with us just reminding us I was gonna try to open Excellent, excellent, so I tried to sneak that one. Yeah, I could hear I could hear me pulling on I could hear like That noise and I'm like, uh, this isn't gonna go well, but I really wanted some water Oh Nice, we're gonna get some you know make some music the podcast is wondering what is going on right now making some effects And Ryan is sitting there going it is 2 20 in the morning. Would you guys stop the emery now? Oh Boy, that's some good stuff Tomorrow ASMR Yeah, that really really wouldn't sound all that great. I kind of sure now you just throw it stuff So yeah, yep, you got it. So yeah, it's got today. Like are we are we coming to an end? Ryan, did you have anything else that we we kind of just talked all over you like we normally do? Yeah, I've got nothing. It's this this guy We brought Ryan. We brought Ryan So he's preparing to be a rocket like working in space, right? Exactly. This is this is how aerospace is Happens whenever aerospace wants to happen. I've got a call time. Hang on. Let me look at my calendar We've got a call time tomorrow. Can you say when the call time when the call time is? Yeah, I can say when the call time is I have a 2 15 a.m. Pacific call time That's what I need to be in the office and get on console. Cool. So cool fun Yeah, nice Nice, that's how it works. Am I gonna do this in for our members? Oh, yeah No, no, no, let's do it right now. So what's the story here? I saw a loopy dragon sent myself and Dada. I did you got one too nice little care package from Kenny Space Center because Loopy dragon does some epic work covering launches out there. So thank you. Thank you. Loopy. We're gonna I'm gonna go ahead and open this just live on the air. Are they the same to me? I got this here Are they the same or should we have them open each? Yeah, they're same. Okay. The same. Okay. So first of all always great To see one of my children Always happy to see one of my children, you know with this here. So one of my which which child is heading out This challenger, okay, that's not one of my children Yeah, it's a little before my time Look at that. I also got another another shot Rotate your microphone so you're not talking straight into the barrel again. What? He's not I'm over it. No you were. Oh, sorry. I'm looking down. Yes. So now I'm over it. Okay. So I see So look at this. It's another one of my children in this and actually me and Dutta helped move that bit From lax to some parts in LA. So that was pretty fun But we could we could definitely talk about that someday. That'd be fun And then I love the NAC a national advisory committee and aeronautics And I got a nice sticker of their logo. It's a sick logo. I think it's a good one. So and then oh look at this there's a whole bunch of First of all sick bag, so I'm gonna remember I'm gonna keep this bag. I'm gonna do some cool stuff with it That's for sure There's always a nice little button that says I heart rockets and that's very true. I'll definitely wear that at work I'm gonna get you an astrology button Thank you. What I'm gonna I'm gonna find your astrological sign and get you a astrologically. I'm a Libra Astronomically, I'm a Virgo and that may explain a few things So this is the I'm assuming this is the launch rats Thing yeah, so a sick bag as in this bag is sick not I'm gonna be sick in this bag It's I just had to clarify with the comments There thank you internet saying is it's clear that's an important distinction. Yeah Yeah, also wayward plain RIP wayward plain so very cool stuff with that there and then of course oh Wow, I got multiples of these My favorite rocket ever Delta 2 baby So I love the Delta 2 because it's basically flown any kind of payload everywhere in the solar system So that's how that goes and then there's something heavy in here along with more wayward plain Stuff and some more stuff. What's in here? What's in here this one's actually I actually cannot see through this one here, so Extra stuff. Oh, it's more stuff. A loopy. I think these are some of your photos. So that's cool. Dang loopy You got some good photos Look at that. Whoops Look at that octoplume. I'm a big fan of the octoplume. Oh, that's really good to see so that's cool loopy I think you're gonna have to say oh My gosh, it's one of my one of my favorite rocket configurations ever the Atlas 5 and the 411 with one solid Skidmark baby That is the most ridiculous rocket configuration I love it. It looks absolutely ridiculous. I love it. I love it I love it. Oh speaking of Falcon Heavy. There it is So, oh, yeah, yeah, I think that was actually hey, let me see that. I think that was the the first flight So it was you could tell because the fixed service structure. Yeah, these are mine So I'm not gonna hand them over there. So look at that. That's cool. It's fine. That's a Delta for heavy my favorite rocket that lights itself on fire So it's another ones that I told you that I liked as well. So surfboard and airplane awesome. Thank you loopy For that and some more wayward playing cool stuff without there and I think I felt something heavy. It was money It's more wayward playing launch rats playing launch rats and then these cool are these like challenge coins or something Oh, look, it's a dragon. We should get tomorrow challenge coins. That'd be kind of cool Get over it 14 13 snap that is the crew three patch. I love that one and crewed loopy. Thank you so much This is so cool. So thank you. So thank you. Yeah, so if you send stuff to us here tomorrow We'll open it on air Nate asks don't all rockets light themselves on fire. Well, no SLS is never really made fun I suppose it has made fire. I was trying to make an SLS joke, but it doesn't actually work Okay, cool. Thank you. Thank you so much appreciate it Let me let me send me all the goods. So I appreciate it. Alex shrimp says yes Oh, you know what also? I owe a public apology to Alex shrimp who is an escape philosophy member And last week I was working on getting the member slates set up which looks something like this And if you're a YouTube member there are many different levels that you can Subscribe at for membership and all of those levels help us great deal. So thank you everyone for being a YouTube member You absolutely can subscribe absolutely them. I you get access to a pre-show where if you thought this was crazy You should have seen what we're doing a pre-show We were being mean to Ryan in the live show, but they were being mean to me in the pre-show and then So escape velocity. This is these are some sort suborbital subscribers. We also have orbital subscribers and Ground support. Oh, yeah, so we hit orbital early and then ground support. I'm rusty. I'm rusty, but last week I forgot to put Alex In the escape velocity story His name did not show up. So I'm doing a public call out to thank you personally again. Thank you so much, Alex I'm so sorry that you missed because you weren't paying member of escape velocity And we just didn't put your name on the screen. We're really sorry. Yeah, so sorry about that. Yeah, I'm sorry You get a public apology from me But thank you to all of our members for helping to make this go, you know having a space station on orbit Mm-hmm Because we're in Space right now in case you don't know and it's a spherical planet as you can see. Yeah. Yeah, you know artificial gravity systems cost money You sure do, you know and environmental systems are way more expensive and complicated than you think they should be yes But no really it does it does take money to run the show and this is a passion project So most of the shows paid for out of my own pocket and you know, frankly, we don't break even and that's fine But every dollar that you contribute Does help to offset the the cost of the show and and playing around and doing you know different cool thing looks hold up Hold up. Joseph Gruber says looks better than the Disney space restaurant, which is okay. Hang on So I have been to space 220 at Epcot you this might be an out of conversation for After dark yeah for but that would be for members only I've been to space 220 and I actually think it was incredible I think that the entire experience was absolutely amazing. So we'll talk about that They had like they had like 400 times of my budget, too. Oh Yeah, you know, why don't we talk about the set that the this is the first wooden space station This space made out of MDF blood and a Lot of swearing tears and the one sweaty hat. Oh, which is still up there It's still up there. It's too difficult to get to but like yeah, absolutely My blood is like somewhere over there. My blood is up there. Yeah, so there's my bloods up there Your blood I think is actually down over here. Yeah, I think you still see it and Dada's blood is on all of it Yeah, just everywhere. I smeared it all over Yeah, all right. I'd like to thank everyone so much for watching it has been an absolute delight to be with you this week I hope you enjoyed the show. I know it was very chaotic and you know, we're still finding ourselves I think that this is a better format than what we had before. I like the casualness of it. Yes But you know, it's gonna it's gonna take a minute for us to really find it So constructive feedback is welcome. I know we're talking on each other a little bit. We're still trying to You know, pull Ryan into the show a little bit better. I see these things. I hear you I understand But like constructive feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Robert Rowell says we like chaotic, you know, and actually chaotic can be fun, too But let us know what you think in the comments as always, please like and subscribe I know you hear that on every YouTube channel and everyone gets sick of hearing it But you know what just like everyone hit the notifications just like everyone else We have to feed the algorithm if we don't feed the algorithm We don't go anywhere on YouTube and we don't get again We're losing subscribers not gaining subscribers partly because I'm back on camera. Let's be honest. That's why it is You know, and that's fine. I get it But like let's see if we can turn that around. Let's see if we can actually like get into a net positive game That would be really awesome. 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