 Welcome to Think Tech, Hawaii. Konnichiwa, Hawaii. A Japanese language broadcast streaming live from downtown Honolulu and available on YouTube. I'm Yukari Kunisue and joining me today in the studio is Ms. Hanae Miura, master of Naginata, traditional long swords as well as kusarigama, sickles and chains. Miura sensei has been introducing Naginata tradition to Hawaii in 1960 and has been teaching to locals since then without charging any fee. Konnichiwa, I'm Yukari Kunisue and I'm from Hawaii, Japan. Today's broadcast is about the traditional Japanese martial arts, Naginata and kusarigama, Ms. Hanae Miura. Ms. Hanae, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Naginata is a martial art of women who protect the five points in the past. When did you start training Naginata? I started training when I was 4 years old. 4 years old? Yes. I started training when I was 4 years old. You did? Yes. Were you trained by your parents? No. I didn't train. I went to Yōjo in Mito. Yōjo in Mito? Yes. Did you come to Tokyo? Yes. You went to Mito? Yes. I didn't have any friends, so I cried every day. You cried every day? Yes. I wanted to go home. My neighbor didn't have a kindergarten, so she took me to the school. Instead of a kindergarten, you went to Naginata's school? Yes. I went there and trained five points. I came to Naginata once every two months. I was trained there. You trained five points in Naginata? Yes. I trained there because I accepted the traditional martial art. If you can show the first two pictures here. This is when you were about seven years old. You trained in traditional martial arts. Yes. You trained in Naginata? Yes. Did you train as a child or as an adult? I trained as a child. You trained as a child? Yes. At that time, the kindergarten was a little bigger. There was no kindergarten and no friends. You trained here? Yes. Alone? Can you show the next one? Thank you very much. You trained in the same way as Naginata. You trained in the same way as Naginata. You trained in the same way as Naginata. Yes. You trained in Naginata since you were an adult. How did you come to Hawaii? I came to Hawaii when I was in Tokyo Olympics. I was first in the Tokyo Olympics in Japan. You came to Hawaii in 1964? Yes. I learned that there is a martial art in Japan. I wanted you to show me the other side of the world. What is the other side of the world? I came to Hawaii in the Netherlands. I went to the Netherlands's Heising village. Heising was a Dutchman. He became number one in Tokyo Olympics in Japan. He won the gold medal. He said that Dutch people had other martial arts. He wanted to introduce it to Dutch people. In Japan, there was a conversation with the Japanese Embassy. Two students from the University of Tokyo, and a woman, three of us, had no connection. I went to the Netherlands. I see. If you can show the picture of the airplane. This is the picture. This is the picture of a boy. He was a college student. Were these two also from Naginata? No. These two were from Kendo. Kendo? Not Judo, but Kendo. They were from Kendo. Naginata's teacher is from KLM. She is from Kendo. Are they from Hane? Yes. They are from there. Next one. What did you do? When I arrived in the Netherlands, they told me that they wanted me to do a demonstration. I changed my clothes in the airplane. I went down and did it there. I see. What did you do in the airplane? I changed my clothes in the airplane. I came out of the airplane. Did you do it there? Yes. Do you remember that? Yes, I do. How was it? All the pictures in the Netherlands are in the same picture. This is the picture. When I got on the taxi, they said it was Yatou. Yatou? Yes. In Japan, they used to call it Yatou. They called it Kiai. Yatou? Yes. They called it Yatou on the other side. Did they call it Yatou in Kendo? I think they heard Kiai like that. Kiai? No, they didn't. No, it was Yatou. I see. When I got on the taxi, they said it was Yatou. I see. Where in the Netherlands did you go? I went to Heisingmura in the Netherlands. There was a village called Heisingmura. I don't know if it was a village, but it was called Heisingmura in the city. You went to Heisingmura? Yes. So you went to Heisingmura, Heising service station, Heising street. All of them were Heisingmura. You really went to Heisingmura. Yes, I was really happy. So all the names you met all changed to Heisingmura? Yes, all of them. When you first came to Heisingmura, you went to Heisingmura? Yes, I went to Heisingmura. It was really a long time. And I went to Heisingmura. I was in the same country, I had a gold medal. I went to Heisingmura. And my teacher brought my shoes to Japan. When did you come here? In about a week. I went to a special stage there, and I did it there. So I could see the Dutch soldiers, and the French soldiers. You came to see it? Yes. I see. So you became famous. It's rare. Especially because you had a woman. I was surprised when I got married. You finally got married. I see. You did your best. Yes. How old were you? I think I was around 8 or 8. But you were young, so you became like a sister. How did it feel to be back in Japan? After that, I went to an event called Fujikawa-san, which is a symbol of Hawaii. It was held at an event called Sakuramatsuri. I was there until 4 o'clock. Until your house? Yes. I was in that apartment, but it was a black face. I closed the door for Tatsu-san. The black person came from Hawaii. Japanese is a little bit like the Japanese of Hawaii, right? Yes. I closed the door for Tatsu-san. You are cute. It's like Hiroshima. So you wanted me to come to Sakuramatsuri. So you had a meeting with the Japanese government in Hawaii. I thought it was the government. So you didn't have any money? No, I didn't. I was told to come. You came by yourself? I was told to come to the shoko company. You were told you didn't have any money? My teacher taught me how to do it. At that time, the plane was expensive, right? Yes. I told her to do it because I thought she had some friends. When I did the demonstration, she didn't have any friends. She came by herself. She didn't have any money. So, she paid for it herself? When I did it, there was a newspaper called Hawaii Times. I was in a school in Japan, so I wanted to do it. I wanted to continue doing it. I was also a student at that time. I see. I was lonely crying. When you came to the teacher's place, did you tell them to come? Yes. I did it until the day before the news of the visa was released. I was taught at the park. Let's take a picture here. Can you show the next one? This one? Yes. What kind of people are these people? At that time, I worked for the Hawaii Times. These people? Yes. Are they Japanese? Japanese. Japanese people. Japanese people. The teacher went to Niga to look at the screen. Yes. They were the people who came to see the news. They were asked to come to the teacher's place. I have been doing it. What kind of people are these people? I brought them. You brought them? Yes. You brought them to the school? Yes. Do these people continue to work for the school? Half of them are alone. The other half are gone. When I was in Japan, I studied Naganata. I wanted to continue, but the teacher was not in Hawaii. That's how I learned Naganata. That's how I learned Naganata. Yes. How many years have you been in Hawaii? The next year. It's the second half of the 1960s. The teacher came back to Hawaii several times. It's been about three months. I did it for three months. When the teacher came back to Japan, I worked and came back. I continued to do that. It was very difficult. I was a little worried about it. It was the Sparky Matsunaga. Sparky Matsunaga. It was a top-notch game. I got a letter from Washington. I was sponsored. I was told that I could not become a parent. You were in Hawaii? Yes. I accepted that. I have a voice, so I can't speak English now. The teacher was watching your activities. If you teach me Nen-to-bu-ru-tsu to the Japanese, I will sponsor the visa. I did that as a teacher. The teacher gave me money. Of course. You have been a teacher for 50 years. Yes. I never got a visa from the teacher. It takes a lot of luck. I went to Naminata and Hakama to visit Japan. I asked everyone to come to Hawaii. They said it was okay to go to Furi-ni. I brought all the gifts from Furi-ni. I fixed it and washed it. I will take a short break here and we will be right back. Hi, I'm Bill Sharp, host of Asian Review here on Pink Tech, Hawaii. Join me every Monday afternoon from 5 to 5.30 Hawaii Standard Time for an insightful discussion of Contemporary Asian Affairs. There's so much to discuss and the guests that we have are very, very well informed. Just think, we have the upcoming negotiation between President Trump and Kim Jong-un. The possibility of Xi Jinping, the leader of China, remaining in power forever. We'll see you then. Aloha. I'm Wendy Lo and I'm coming to you every other Tuesday at 2 o'clock live from Pink Tech, Hawaii. And on our show, we talk about taking your health back. And what does that mean? It means mind, body, and soul. Everything you can do that makes your body healthier and happier is what we're going to be talking about. Whether it's spiritual health, mental health, fascia health, beautiful smile health, whatever it means. Let's take healthy back. Aloha. We're back from break. I am Yukari Kunisue and this is Konnichiwa, Hawaii. Talking with Miss Hanae Miura, Naginata Master. This is a live broadcast from Pink Tech, Hawaii's Japanese program. Konnichiwa, Hawaii. Today, we're going to talk to Miss Hanae Miura, who has been teaching us about traditional martial arts for a long time in Hawaii. Let's continue. Before the break, Miss Matsunaga Matsumura will be sponsoring a teaser. But if you don't go home, you don't have to go back home. Yes. Even if you calm down, you can work here. Yes, you can work. But if you don't go home, you don't have to go back home. I have two or three of them. What did you do to support your life? In Hawaii, I worked at a shop called Hosekiya. When it was night, I worked at a kitchen helper many times. The owner of Naginata worked at Hosekiya, and there was no kitchen helper. But that's a tough job. It's a job that you can't think of in Japan. That's true. This is a Japanese traditional Naginata. What is the name of the traditional Naginata? It's called Jikshinkage Ryu. What is the name of the traditional Naginata? It's about 400 years old. 400 years old? Yes. Naginata is long, so how do you touch it? Touching Naginata? You have to be close to the opponent, like Katana. You have to be close to the opponent, so you have to fight away from them. That's the kind of technique you use. I see. Katana is done by a man. The woman has a little distance from the opponent. That's why I use Naginata. The other technique you use is Kusari Naginata. When you finish Naginata, you will be taught. You won't be taught for the first time. The short one enters the opponent. You will be trapped. Yes, you will be trapped. You have to be close to the opponent. You have to be close to the opponent. You won't be taught for the first time, unless you have long time to finish Naginata. You have to be close to the opponents, so you have to be close to the opponent. You will be taught and you will be trapped. That's the short one. Kusari is attached to the opponent. That's right. What do you do then? You have to be close to the opponent. That's a good point. I think you're going to put it on your neck. Are you going to put it on your neck? Yes. I think you need to take pictures of it. I'm going to take some pictures of it here. If you can show me more pictures. Oh, this. This is the one. Yes. There is a teacher on the left. Ah, it's the teacher who went to the Tokyo Dome. We are going to take a picture of her. Yes. And you are the teacher on the left. Yes, the teacher on the left. Yes, the teacher on the right. Yes, the teacher on the left. That's the Japanese. That's right. Yes. He was the one with the most ears. This teacher is Dr. Delko. It was rare to see a man doing it. There were people who had been beaten up by men. It was rare. I see. Two people in Japan. At that time. Thank you. There was a man doing it. There was a woman in Hawaii. Is she a student now? A man? There are a lot of men. What is that like? Hawaii style. Hawaii style? That's different from traditional Japanese. But the teacher is good. Men and women. What kind of men and women do they want to do? What kind of men and women do they want to do? Are there many Japanese people? Yes, there are white people. But mostly Japanese. Do you have any men who are like Kendo or Judo? Yes. You have been tested. Yes. I have been tested in Hawaii for three times. Three times? I went to Japan for three times. There are four people now. I have been tested in Japan. You went to Japan for three times? Yes. You were tested for men? Yes. And when men in Hawaii came to Japan... You were surprised. I was surprised. I was surprised. I asked why men were taken there. That's right. Especially in the case of women's martial arts, it's said that men also do it in Hawaii. How is that? Is it something that is accepted in Japan? Right now, when I go to Japan, it's a big deal. Oh, it's a big deal. It's said that men are often taught such a fine technique. There is a fine technique that can be done in women's martial arts. There is. That's what men also teach in Hawaii. So, in Japan, what do men do now? Recently, I do. Do you do it recently? Yes. In the end, compared to kendo and such things, Nagina is a yuga. I see. Yes. So, in Japan, it's clear that women are Naginata for kendo. So, when everyone first came to Hawaii, I was surprised at the airport. Oh. So, the men in Hawaii come to Japan, and that's where all the men from Naginata come from? Yes. So, men are students. What? I see. So, that's how it is. So, the technique is also pretty good. It's better than Japanese people. Is that so? It's better. So, if you come from Japan, and you bring them to Japan, and you come to the airport, there are so many students in Hawaii. So, everyone, everyone is like the people in Hawaii. If you can show more pictures. This is Kusarigama, right? Yes. The teacher is Kusarigama. The right one is... It's a bokutou. It's a bokutou to teach the teacher. Yes. It's a demonstration. The teacher has a kusarigama. Yes. The teacher has a kusarigama. Yes. The teacher has a kusarigama. Yes. It's a demonstration. Yes. So, if you are standing on the ground, all of you are students. Yes. How many years have you been doing this? It's been decades. It's been decades. So, from the beginning... Yes. I've been doing it since then. So, it's like you are all students. From your childhood. Yes. This is also a teacher. Yes. It's a kusarigama. Yes. So, you can teach the teacher. But, if you don't learn the Naginata, you can't learn it. The short one enters the opponent. Yes. That's dangerous. I see. The long one is the short one. Yes. The short one is the last one. This one. Oh, this is also a teacher. Yes. It's not Naginata. This is a kusarigama. This is a kusarigama. Yes. Yes. Yes. Again. 上土新宗です。 上土新宗のお寺です。 お寺の中をお帰りしています。 あーなるほど。 それは決まった日にやってらっしゃるんですか? 土曜日の午後です。 土曜日の午後?毎週ですか? 毎週です。 先生、まだお経工をつけてらっしゃるんですか? もちろん。 はい、ということで もしご興味がある方で ちょっと参加に来たいとか お興味があるので マキキの上土新宗の なんていうお寺ですか? 上土新宗のお寺です。 上土新宗というお寺ですか? はい、そのお寺に マキキというのは泡のルールの一部にあるところですが そこに行っていただければ 先生のお経工を つけてらっしゃるところが みることができるんです。 先生、長年やってらっしゃって まだまだ これからどんどん続けになると思うんですけど これからやってみたいとか 希望とか 夢とかというのは終わりなんですか? 夢にしては ちょっと 時間がなさすぎるんですけど いやいやいや でもできるだけ細かい技を 残したいと思います 技を残してみたい そうするともとおですが 結局 日本へ行って 日本の方とやっても はじないくらいの技は 行きたいと思います ということで 先生はもう50年近く 以上ですか? と教えていらっしゃる で、まだまだ この細かい技を 皆さんに伝えていきたいという 希望を持って 活動していらっしゃいます また 興味のある方は 先ほど申し上げた ジョード シンシューの キキにあるそうです 土曜日の午後 今日は 大変興味深い話を ありがとうございました あとても素敵な ハワイではなかなか 見れない もんつき箱なんですけど ちょっと 感激してますけど 私は OK, we are out of time. Thank you so much for coming Mr. Hanai Miura. Stay tuned for more shows in Japanese and thank you all for watching Think Tech Hawaii. I am Yukari Kunise. This is Konnichiwa Hawaii.