 him back at least with the next conversation of the day. And today we want to talk about giving back to the society. This is a key thing that sometimes you know we don't really take it so seriously but there is a lot of impact in giving back. So for this we have someone in the society who runs an organization that really just focuses on giving back to the society. He goes by the name Darren Hart. He is the CEO and founder of Darren Hart Foundation. Kareb Usana. Thank you very much. Glad to have you with us. Thank you for having me. So even as I welcome you to the show I want you to tell us you know what is your story? What is your story? The story of Darren Hart. How do you decide to come up with a foundation that's giving back to the society? And how exactly are you giving back to the society? Okay first of all my name is Darren Hart. As you've heard I'm the CEO and the founder of the Darren Hart Foundation. And not only that I'm also the former chairperson of YMCA South Sea. And the current YMCA South Sea. You know YMCA? Yeah I know YMCA. I've been the youth board chair for the three years. And now I've let someone else to take over. Okay. After being appointed as the country director for cleanup Kenya. Alright. And I'm also the executive secretary and the council member of the 2K movement. And other than that I'm a fifth year civil engineering student at the University of Nairobi. Okay. And so. Quite a number of things. Yeah that's me. Now Darren Hart Foundation is formed out of my own story. Because myself as I'm seated here. So many people don't know. Some know. Those who are close to me. I grew up in a children's home in a place called Adulam Children's Home. Adulam? Yes. Where I learned about the acts of giving to the society. Because it is through the well wishes that made me the person I am today. So growing up there I learned about caring for people. Life is about going beyond oneself. And making sure that you are touching a life. And so growing up there I met friends. You know in a children's home every tribe is there. Yeah. I learned cultures. But one thing unified us is about caring for your brother and your sister. And so I was a bright student there at Adulam Children's Home. And remember the rule was if you become number one then you go to the school that you've been called. I really worked hard for me to be supported rather to the national level, national school. Which I managed. I was the head boy at my primary school. I was the index one. Then when I completed my class eight that's when life changed. And because the sponsors would do their support. We've never understood why and where the problem was with the home. And that's when now every child was like stranded on what is happening at Adulam Children's Home. And so after a few days I wanted to go back actually to repeat so that I can go to a national school. Then there was this idea. You know I've been partly raised with a single mom and a children's home. My mom was working at the home as a matron. And so after some days she decided why can't we try to call this in Patrick's Ethan. Which was a national school by then. And so after she called she was told that that young man was in the first election. Where is he? You bring him on Monday. We will see the story after. And that's when we went to St. Patrick's High School in 10 without anything. And luckily the school absorbed me there. With my school uniform. Former primary school. And after a while of course there were hard times where other students will laugh at you. They tell you what are you doing for me from one with a primary school uniform. But what one thing that kept running in my mind is that their words cannot define who I am. So long as I'm here one day one time I'll make it. And after a while the teachers of St. Patrick's High School in 10 they bought me uniform. Then I was like others. Wow such a beautiful story. After that point it's already you know inspiring. From someone you know you had so much potential looking forward to going to high school. And then the sponsors just withdrew suddenly. No clue of what went wrong. And then now your mom. The single mom that you know the mushroom of the home decides to take a step of faith. This is called a school. And that's how the school accepted you and the teachers embraced you. Was it because of your level of understanding or your IQ. You know how smart you are that you decided to let us support this kid. I think I was a smart student. And also I was ready to learn. And I used to engage even the teachers because after that incident. I convinced the school that when they close school so I don't go home. I remain in school to eat the flowers and to sweep. So that my school fees can be reduced. Little did I know when I was now in form 2. That's when God came through and I got a new parent. Where I live up to now. What do you mean by a new parent. Okay there was this event at school. Where there were big tanks. They were being opened. And the guest of honor on that day engineer Peter Mangiti. Who was the guest of honor. Was in attendance. And after that I was. There was a question that was asked. And I'm the one who answered it correctly. And I was given 5000. So after being given 5000. The master of ceremony was. The deputy principal. Mr Machanji. Who said this boy lives here. Is a very hard working boy. And that money has gone to the right person. Whom it can help even to buy soap. And after that. The PS the engineer Peter Mangiti was the PS then. Was very interested with that story. Then. After a few weeks I was called. He interviewed me on phone. And he took me as his own son till today. Just like that. Just like that. I mean God can come through it so many. So after form 2. I did not have problems with fees. I completed very well. Fully sponsored. Fully taken care of. And I now have a dad. And a second mom. So now you have 2. 3 parents. 2 moms. And one dad. How did your mom feel? Very happy. Because. She's a prayer woman. She goes to church. She loves God. So we just gave thanks to God. Wonderful. Amazing. So that's how you. It worked out for you throughout school. To be finished. And even I'm assuming. The University of Nairobi. And even after the sponsorship now. My academic. Curve rose up. And I did so many things at St. Patex E-10. I've been the medical captain at the St. Patex E-10. I started. Showering hot water and using iron box. Wow. With school. And I was also the founder of the charity club. At the. St. Patex High School E-10. Where we used now to support the needy students. Amongst ourselves. If you don't have a shirt or shoes. We just anonymously look at you then we buy. We contribute then we buy for you. And that's. That came out from your own experience. Yes. The hearts to support others. Because you knew. The struggle that you had gone through. So you also just wanted to be there. I'm assuming. The university. The same thing the charity club I'm calling. I started that high school. Is now the Darren Hart Foundation. In short. Because even at the university first year. I realized even at the university level. We have people who are needy. We have a gap. And I know. That. If you're able to feel a gap. Then you are a leader. Then you are living the life. You're like a walking dead. That's what I believe. So feeling a gap. If you can feel a gap then you are a leader. That's amazing. For many people who are in such a situation. Come from such a background. As you know. They would be feeling sorry for themselves. But for you. What made you have that. Desire to still stand out. Despite people looking down on you. You know. It's because I believe that. Leadership. Or life is about. Service. Leadership is about service. The passion. Having the passion. Having the willingness and the desire. To offer selfless service for the people. To have a group of people. Help in identifying the problems that they face. Mobilize their expertise. And their experience. And you solve it. And so indeed. You do not have to be a leader. Because you want to be in a position. You do not have to be a leader. Because you've been in a position. Or head of a particular organization. Or a particular institution. It's about your ability. To identify the experts around you. The human resource around you. Build it up together. Identify problems collectively. Then you address that problem. Once you are able to do that. Then leadership is created. And so that's what I've been doing. Because if there is a gap in the society. And you are not able to address that. Even if you have gone to the university. You've done whichever course. Then you are useless. And so I believe that. I believe that leadership. Can turn a hospital. Into a graveyard. A school. Into prison. Into school. Into paradise. Into Islam. So leadership has that power. And it's up to. Someone to decide. I want to solve this problem. I want to fill this gap. And you mobilize people around it. And do something. So the Darren Hart Foundation. You continue with it. To your university. And it's what it is now. So what is the Darren Foundation all about? Okay. Darren Hart Foundation is about. Is an organization. We call it a humanitarian organization. That has two objectives. One of it. Is to deal with the. Humanitarian part of it. And environment part of it. Humanitarian. Where we do charity. We go to the slums. We help the women and the girls. We go to school. We come up with the sustainable ways. On how we can upscale. Or support them. We have also gone to orphanages. Where. We send a team from the organization. To do a background check. Then they come up with data. That tells us what is the main problem. The home is going through. Then we go there. Then we try to help. We've done that before. And sometime when we share on our social media. We get more sponsors. And more interested parties to help. In terms of environment. We do advocate for the proper disposal of waste and recycling. We advocate and plant trees actually. Four years ago. We started these initiatives. We're planting trees. And right now we have trees taller than us. We also conduct cleanups. Where by. We use that opportunity to educate. The masses on the importers. Of caring for the. community, especially collaborating with the CBOs and other organizations to teach them why they should care for the environment and the effects of the environment. Alright. Yes. Great. So, two initiatives are under the Darren Hart Foundation, the humanitarian side and the environmental side. And let me just ask on the humanitarian side, now that from your own experience and even what you're currently doing. When people want to support the orphanages and mostly just the orphanages by and also widows and others that I need, children, they usually rally around buying things for the household. But I understand that is this, let me just put it this way, is this what is needed in this homes or would you rather have a greater investment like buy something that the home can make a living out of it, you know, sewing machines, such like things, how much does the food stuff and the household items help go in helping? That is a very good question because having been one of the person who has lived in a children's home, I can tell you at Darren Hart Foundation we are doing it differently. Because different homes have different challenges. We have homes that need food, we have homes that need rent, we have homes that need even a good cooking condition or maybe beddings. And so having been experienced, having been there, at Darren Hart Foundation we do it differently. Before we visit a home, we anonymously send three members or four to a home just abruptly they come, they mingle with the children, they can observe and record, they can interview in a way that they can just get an information, then they interview the owners of the home or the people who are there in charge. Then from that questionnaire we come and find a solution because we will have known what is the main problem. Because when people hear about children's home, what comes in their mind is donate a cloth, donate food, which is very very wrong. We have homes that they don't have a problem with food, totally. When you bring food they can even sell that food to convert that food to money that can help a child get books to school. We have homes whereby you're taking their clothes when they have so many until they can as well donate to other children. And so the questionnaire and doing a background check is very very important so that when you go there you address the real problem. At Darren Hart Foundation we have gone to homes whereby we are not taking any donation but we are taking mentorship and teaching children to be aware. Because we understand that having been there, there are so many things you can do like self-awareness. Growing up those are topics that are really being taught there. Because everybody is coming with food, they want you to sing and encourage you. But for me I was a very bright student, people. I didn't want those people to come with food or clothes or what. I wanted them to come even with a dictionary or a top composition or in Shabora, just a book to read but which they didn't know. Now that I was there we are implementing this, we do a background check and we go and solve a problem. We have gone to homes where we taught children, my body is my body program, where we use even songs. My body is my body program, we teach them that nobody should punch you, nobody should kick you, nobody should touch you inappropriately and if it happens you report to the self-adult. Those are things that we have done not like other people because we know. And we have collaborated with the Global Goodwill Ambassadors Foundation from the U.S. where they teach these lessons like course one and course two of my body program so that our members are tutors. When they go there they teach the children. Whenever we find a problem that is even beyond us we try to document it and share to the public so that those well-wishers can go back and help. That is the very important thing. I think that's wonderful because sometimes you might be helping but you're not really helping at the same time, you might think you're helping but they need to help some other way. Also this discussion that was going on I think in government at some point of facing our children's homes, I don't know how, what do you think about that and how do you feel about that? Okay, you know when you say you want to face off children's homes, according to me I'm a very independent thinker. You can't just wake up in the morning and you say you want to face off children's homes off energies. When you know the state of the country and employment is a very big issue. Very young people are the ones giving birth to children and throw them out there to the streets. And so you find that these young mothers when they are not empowered and you want to close the children's homes, where will these children go? Do you want to say that you want to increase the number of street children in the streets or do you have an elaborate way of how you can close the children's homes and still help the orphans or those children who don't have support? So to me that is just a statement that is from someone who has not been there, that is from someone who doesn't even know how to be hungry. Because those people are political elites who are rich. They use big cars, they have big houses and that's why they can just wake up in the morning and say you want to close them. Have they done any research? Have they done any survey? Have they included people like us to help in the implementation of that policy? So that is hot air. Hot air you say. I know it's a fact for sure that in every place as long as we have legit there is also the counterfeit. So even in the orphanages there are people, fathers and mothers who run these homes out of the burden of the heart to help the orphans and to help the orphans of the needy. But there are also those that are running children's homes but for business to benefit themselves. So how do we, even as people who want to give back to society, know how to differentiate between the two and what can be done to handle that, to remove them from the picture? I tend to think that was the main reason they wanted to face out the children homes, the orphanages. Because they have failed to face out cartels that are stealing our taxpayers' money. So they feel like children homes because most of them are owned by people of God. Like ours was owned by a bishop and now a postal. Those are calm people. They can just close the children homes and they will do nothing. Because most of them you find that it's affiliated to a man of God. Those are not violent. But why are they not fighting the cartels that are killing the country? Why are they not questioning the corruption, the euro bonds that have stayed for years? That is what they should be focusing on. And on the matter of children homes, they should be talking of how can we face out corruption by making sure that children that are going there, they are going to live a good life, they are going to be supported and even donations they are not going to benefit people, you should not be talking of closing it. You should be talking of how can we have a way, just the way you can, a system that can help to make sure that every child that is there is living a good, a good life, eating well and going to school. But just closing it down is not a solution. And it is a very much proof that you have no clue of what you are doing as a leader. Okay, so you have said it. We just need to have a system in place to look into those that are out there to benefit themselves and not just decide to close down children's homes because where would they go? Yeah, and to add on that is, you know why do we have children homes? It's because the government has failed to provide enough jobs for these young mothers or young people or people who have given birth and they are not able to even raise these children because not every child that is in an orphanage is an orphan. We have those that their parents cannot even afford one dollar. So the government should be thinking in a way of empowering like everybody to be sustainable so that they can cater for the children and that way they'll be reducing the numbers at the orphanages, the numbers of the children in the street by empowering Kenyans. Right now when you walk even in public you find almost everywhere just lazy people begging for one dollar, but if you sort that you reduce the number automatically from the orphanages. From the orphanages, yes. So it's about empowering the people then we reduce the number? Definitely, definitely, definitely. We will not have street kids who are who have parents because they are running away to ask for food but if there is food there is education for every every child we definitely reduce the number of the orphans in the children homes and that way you are just like closing the children homes. We'll just have a few. What will be the need of opening if there are no children who are needy? Okay so it trickles down to the the government you know the current status of the economy the government's trying to help solve the problem of unemployment and you know the food prices and everything so that if everyone lives comfortably then we reduce on these numbers. And this is free knowledge to any leader who is concerned about orphanages. Empower the people, reduce the number from the orphanages. There will be no need for even people to open other NGOs to help. Yes okay so easy math good all right you also do a lot of peace promotions yeah from your bio so tell us about this how do you and why okay we do peace because I believe that I normally tell people that I'm Darren Hart when I'm introducing myself an African from Kenya specifically and as Africa and Kenya we need to be to have that unifying factor that is called Obuntu I am because you are and so this peace we preach it when we are doing a cleanup we have events that have been attended by even more than 800 people so we use that platform because we brought people together to preach about peace to preach against drug and substance abuse and to talk about mental health and last year I won a peace award from Nairobi County, ONUG so we use that platform where people have gathered to preach about peace to tell the youth that the person who is next to you is your brother and your sister don't harm them don't don't go into crime because you'll be just endangering your brother because even you yourself will not be secure if you are doing that and somebody is doing that to your mother or your sister you're also not safe so let's be your brother's keeper and so we preach this wherever we go okay and I hope this is a very good value that everybody wherever you preach peace absolutely I am because you are yes you know and the fact that you do not have me then it means you you're also at peace knowing that your love don't want to be hurt because it will now be a cycle I think that's powerful that's really nice back to what you do for the environment your other the other initiative by your foundation what is it about the environment and why is it that people should really be ambassadors of the environment even as we talk about the issue of climate change okay that's a very good question because when I was in first year four years ago I remember the climate of Nairobi was different from what the one I'm experiencing now you find that the temperatures are high and sometime it's very hot people say this and this is coming up that is what is bringing about the climate change and it's coming about because people are producing a lot of carbon into the atmosphere people are cutting trees and trees reduce carbon in the atmosphere and so that is just one way of catering for a climate change and making sure we have good climate we have other issues like the cars we have I advise the government for free the cars we are importing are they to standard how much carbon do they produce that is number one because the carbon we produce people are cutting trees we are endangering our lives not only our lives but even other people's lives although sometime I tend to think that as Africans we also need to this thing of climate change to upscale it to another level whereby when we are talking about cutting of trees and some somehow the government has given the authorities of cutting deforestation so but when you ask they say that is for business purposes yeah but now that is not bad I'm not against that because it brings tax to the government where I'm against is now we have cartels who are using the opportunity to just now cut trees anyhow and reduce the number of the number of trees when we are plant when very not foundation is plant is planting maybe 500 trees a month you find you find 500,000 have been cut overnight so you see that is a retro grazing we have other organizations that are planting trees but we should not focus on planting trees we should also focus on growing trees when you plant you need to go back to check to if there is a problem of water provide water weed so that the trees grows up but what I've seen in the recent past these things to do with tree planting it has become a scam why do I say a scam you find people they are very excited they are going for tree planting but what they are going to do is to take a picture with a tree like this and post on social media that's why once they do that they will never go back they will not even remember where they planted a tree and to me that is just an expose we need to grow trees we need to plant these trees and go back at Darinat foundation when you come we can take you to schools where you can see trees that are taller than us when you pass through gong road the road connecting Langata to to gong road you'll see trees are even taller we planted four years four years ago and one year ago we've been replacing those that have died that is the importance of growing the trees there is one thing planting the tree there is one thing growing the tree and so the government should award organizations like us we grow trees we go back we can even employ someone to look after them so that even the gods will not eat wow amazing we should do more than plant yes we should do more than plant and we should be more scientific to study the soil which tree can be planted here which tree can be planted here and which one cannot now the somebody just takes a seedling and the ones are photo we are planting trees that is Balderdash I don't know what that means why yeah I'm sure it's not a good thing all right so we have we have heard it growing trees is what is important but why would someone out here you know the importance of of us going out of our way you know on a holiday when you're just free to just go and plant a tree someone in first in fact do a risaton where that's what tree would do good on that soil and then plant it and even take care of it why why you know for someone who's just watching I'm like this is not my business I have so many things that are competing for my attention why would I okay that is I'll answer it as if I'm answering to a layman because I want so many people so many Kenyans to understand yeah trees reduce carbon carbon let me let me take an example of I can use what like a bulb something like a bulb the world is like a bulb and so when it's like a bulb when you produce like a carbon this carbon comes to cover the earth like a blanket so when it covers the world the earth as a blanket there is a that affection the temperature affects the the whole earth and that's why you see now the rising seas because of ice melting that's why you see the temperatures rising because of this carbon so the carbon is the problem because we have cars that are using fuel call we have people who are cutting the trees to reduce the the reduction of carbon in the atmosphere and so when you plant a tree it just means you're contributing to the reduction of carbon into the from the atmosphere that's the reason you should plant trees but we have other importance of trees we can plant trees for food yeah who do you eat mangoes mangoes mangoes and oranges yes almost every fruit has a tree so we can plant trees for fruits we can plant trees to reduce carbon we can plant trees for medicine or purposes we as Africans we need to impress our medicine yes okay so now the problem of climate change and and what you've said is really good well you know we you can plant a mango tree and not not only benefits you but also the environments at the same time but this the problem of climate change is not just coming from Africa the big chunk of it is from you know the western countries and that's all we're calling climate injustice because now we are you know getting the brand of what is cost by by them so what should we do they talk about doing carbon credits and I think you know planting trees is one of the more you plant trees and then you paid for that you know a certain number do you think what measures do you think as Africans now talking as well as a region that we need to do to make sure that we we are not the victims of this and we actually just stand up and be counted our voices be heard what we're talking about climate change wow I'm smiling because I'm a pan-African and when you relate climate change and Africans we have much problems than climate change and this one I'll tell you with no fear of contradiction Africa the whole of Africa contributes to four percent of the climate change problems Kenya our country contributes to less than one percent of the effects of climate change in the world and so where is the 96 percent coming from is that a problem that Kenya should give it a priority no the westerners are people I'm blaming today because we as Africans of course we are we are developing countries we are not through their standards a hundred years ago they stole our resources they went with it that's why we are we are the way we are so when they come and they want us to contribute equal to this matter of climate change that is unfair and this one I'll tell anyone including those presidents like Putin if they find this clip they need to be fair with what is being spoken on climate change in relation to Africa and even my country Kenya we don't have a big problem with that because we don't have that support when they stole our resources that's why we are using firewood to cook so many families use firewood which is very wrong it produces even it spoils the air and produces carbon and reduces the trees but it's not our fault those people took the resources they should bring even the green energy here they should not like act as if we want to contribute equally no no no no they should be fair Africa has no problem to do with climate change we have bigger issues to deal with okay and as as a statesman I can tell you there are so many issues we should be talking about like racial problem not climate change that is just derailing our attention the state one has spoken but we're still advocating for tree planting and and there are different ways of conserving the environment at least to save maybe a constant shit today the continent of Africa is not at peace the continent of Africa continues to punch below her wave in the economic arena in the political arena and in the social arena Africans are dying younger than they were dying in 1963 today the young men and women from the continent of Africa are finding their way into the United States into the Americas into the United Kingdom to Germany to Italy they are the back wave because there's no opportunities created for young men and women here in Africa just because some individuals were so smart before us they stole our resources and now they want us to talk about climate change no we have all it takes because even on that climate change we are the one holding the world to give them clean air because we have the largest forest cover wow yes you have said it they have heard but we're still advocating again for climate justice at your own personal in your own personal capacity do what you can say and serve the environment and now um even as we look to closing uh this particular conversation why should it um or rather let me just ask uh in someone's own individual capacity you know how how does um giving back to the society create an impact you know someone may think ah just me alone I don't have an organization you know there's nothing much I can do but just one person how much does that help impact the society very good question when I was young at the children homes children home adulam in webuye I used to love rich people I used to fantasize about richness I used to think about big cars and big houses when I was young I even at some point I thought about building my house on air and if somebody asked me I told them I argue the principle of magnetism like poles repel and like poles attract if I make a if my house is built somewhere and somewhere else they put a north pole that is eight times the small house then the the the plans carry this house to the air they leave it there then I'll be coming to my house with a chopper but nowadays I don't fantasize about richness I don't fantasize about your job your title or how many cars or big big houses you have I care about how many lives have you touched myself I know that one day I will die I can even die tomorrow but when I die I want to have touched as many lives as possible look at the cabinet of President Mui maybe one or two people are still alive they have gone including the president himself and so this teaches us that this world is not our life it is not our home one day one time you must go but when you go what you did to someone is what will count the lives you touched the souls you you touched that is what will count all of us are traveling we will go one day and so if you put all the resources to yourself remember even the total man be what the billionaire the man who had money that you cannot count they went and so the reason why we are alive is for you to be a brother your brother's keeper help as many people as possible even buying a clean water to a street boy that is changing our life thank you wow wow that is profound I love it because they say people usually remember you out of how you made them feel out of how you touched their lives you know what you did for them that's what you usually remembered for when you're gone not how many you know how many houses you remembered for for only a little while but what you did for people sticks with them and I think it's also a principle for for Christians that's then the Bible you know to to help the needy and orphans is actually what God times it's true religion so it's it's really nice and how can people tap into organizations that you know helping like yours okay they can if you're in social media you can follow there are so many charity organizations because helping it doesn't mean you give what amount it can be 10 shillings it can be one dollar it can be one million but so long as you're giving with a clean heart we have so many organizations if you can't find any walk in a church find ask widows there go and ask the chief the chief will tell you this family is very needy this family and this family go and find even mumbakumi or says they will tell you they know these these these things because those people report to them go to school just come to a school ask the principal the teacher i want to sponsor maybe one kid or five or two you will be given an orphan who will really who really needs your help so finding where to help is very easy you can even walk to the streets find a beggar don't think that they are lying just help them if god will judge the problem will go to them if they are lying but you are doing a part as being kind yeah that is the principle you just help as much as possible great and what you've not mentioned or you forgot to mention is that you actually adopted a child when you were in first year right and you were still a young person i don't know how you managed to to you know raise a kid when you're in first day everybody can mention that in a minute okay thank you very much in first year there was a kid who was begging at the University of Nairobi gate and was begging for lunch for food so when when i used to pass with my fellow students to go to club for lunch i just decided to donate my lunch to this young man so i used to give him my lunch instead then i stay i stay in class to study so it continued like that after a while the boy was so attached to me when uh he could not see me he could ask my friends because he knew my my my members where is darin heart then it's when i started to share with him stories he tells me about the street life he tells me that you can even wake up in the morning someone is dead is taken to the mortuary somebody can beat you very badly and you can't go to the hospital there is a gun that gunshot that was shot during mandaman or you know those are the people taken there to even strike because they'll be given something to eat he was nearly being killed so i was like what if i take this gentleman to a house that i can afford to pay i can work during my free time and pay then i asked him if i take you out of here will you be happy he said that is what i normally pray then i asked my friend from kabete they looked for a house by then it was 3000 i went and paid my friends contributed to me for me to have some more money to buy some items so it started like a joke i i talked to the boy then he stopped he beat his addiction to drugs he was using glue and all that and so after that i continued when during my whole long holiday i went to do landscaping when i'm paid i save i pay fees i pay rent and i save for him some a little amount so last year i took him to ababa school now he's a barba he's graduated now i'm looking for treatment that's the transformation that you can't imagine he's even taller than me right now wow the boy who didn't even his name then i named him shardak wow look at that i mean that's very inspiring what a story you are doing an amazing job and uh we we just want to congratulate you and celebrate you even today and keep on attaching lives out there we have been inspired i hope you have that has been where can people get you before we close you can get me at linkedin darin hart statesman facebook darin hart statesman instagram you can find darin hart on social media all that handles even tiktok we are there and uh website darinheartfoundation.org all right awesome thank you very much for coming on board and sharing this amazing uh insights and even your story with us thank you very much all right i hope you've enjoyed today's show both conversations that we've had sakwa and i this has been why in the morning we always appreciate your company always a pleasure uh you stay in the dance form 7am all the way to till 10am my name is stefa nihayata and this is where we close it we do wish you a lovely day ahead enjoy the rest of your viewing