 Yr aplydd y hollartsson o'ch cyd-gondol, nétrwch yn ysgolffoedd am Llywodraeth Llywodraeth ym Mhwyngyr i'r cwrdd i Gwynllwyr, R puestoll i'ch lunol derbyn i'ch cyd-gondol, gw'mfanol, yn i'r ddiogel a'i gweithio arall i'r cyd-gondol, cynnodd i'r papurau trafnol a'u gair dawn o'r gwbl honni ac yn ysgolffor honni, mae'n gweithio â'r cyd-grondol i'ch gynyddiol ar gyfnodd rhai amddangos oherwydd gen i ganair lleolol iawn i gael meddwl antithedau â'r gynllun i ddodd ar gyfer o'r ysgwrdd gwahanol. Felly roedd ymddangos i ar-dogfaint hwn o'r gwahanol sy'n ei gwybodaeth ym manylgiadau fy mwrtiau gyda Feidliol. Mae'r ddaf yn mynd i'ch eto ni'n byw rhaid i'ch i'w sgolfydd oherwydd o'r gynllun o'r ysgwrdd gwahanol iawn. Thank you for having me. So it's interesting for us to see that this turn of events from Zamphara to E-Maw State. This is something that you rarely see. You probably see one or two of these kinds of things in Leigar State or I say Christopher State where you have people with different surnames in government. But this is hardly ever seen in other parts especially in E-Maw State. ystod y cwestiynau yw, ym mhwyaf yw'r eich ddweud o'r unig ar y State of Emo? OK. Mae'r unig yn eich ddweud o'r State of Emo. Mae'n ddweud o'r situation cyfnod sy'n ddweud o'r eich ddweud o'r eich ddweud o'r eich ddweud o'r eich ddweud o'r a restored normalcy. We got into the commissionership position, and as relates to Zanfarath State, few days ago we heard or we read from the papers that a commissioner in Zanfarath State resined to take up a commissionership position in Nimbus State. That's the much we know about that, but if I'm asked to speak on that as to whether or not what is happening is good, I will say to me, it's good in many ways. I have always said that to make or to unify Nigeria, it must be an action that, that concertedly the nation or the people agree to do it. It's not something that that one person wakes up in the morning and now takes the decision to do that. I've always advocated that we must in all the various states have people from, give people a sense of belonging. If some for goodness sake, I'm not saying that he relates to this, but for goodness sake, if somebody has resided in a place for even five or more years, I think the person should qualify to get on the environment. So, but you have the Muslim community, you have the, you have the, I think it's called the Sadiq King in those areas, in every state actually. So you, the governor couldn't find someone within that state, a woman or a man, to feel that position. He had to go all the way to Zanfarath State to bring somebody, in your words, to try to unify Nigeria. How unifying is that, especially for the people who reside in that state and even more people who might not necessarily be open to this idea? Yes, regarding to the issue of importing somebody from another state to come to take a position or commissionership position or to serve in government in another state, I would say looking at it from the point of view of somebody who has resided in a Muslim for many years and is qualified to hold such position and is not given an opportunity to hold such position. I would say that in that aspect it is not a right thing to do. But again, I like to say that it is never late and that people will say that when a man wakes up in the morning and wakes up, it doesn't matter the time of the day that that is the person's morning. I will applaud it only to the extent that at least the action seems to unify Nigeria. There are a few things you can use, but number one is disappointing. Allowing people to have, if somebody is qualified and the person has resided in that place or has something to do with the state, you cannot appoint the person to serve. All that he takes is just service. Then another thing is that, certainly, we must allow marriages across the states, across the tribal groups, so that at least by so doing, if there is a plan or a plan or a master plan towards unifying Nigeria, such master plan must have marriages enshrined in it so that we can have marriages across the world. Because the evidence or available research has shown that when you have people, for instance, if you have able people littered or living in Zamfara state, if the evils are from emu state or from many of the states that wants to attack northerners or people from Zamfara that are living in emu state, they will think twice, because again, there are emu states in that place that will embrace with the saying that he who lives in a glasshouse does not need to throw stones because, of course, when the other person decides to litter lead, your house is built with glasses. I want to come in there because as much as all of this seems really interesting and very enlightening to some extent, are you trying to tell me again, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here for the people of emu state, that there was no person in emu state that could fit that position. And again, one would wonder what exactly does Shinkafee have that no other woman in emu state has that could feel that position. Again, let's look at her personality and the reasons for which she's saying she left her own state because she had squabbles with allegedly the office of the first lady, her ministry and the office of the first lady. This is her reason for living and this is her country, rather her state, where she speaks the same language with the people. And I'm not in any way trying to bring any form of sectionalism into this conversation, but I'm saying if this is the grounds for which she left her state, what is to say that she would have a great working relationship within the emu state government and how does this rub off on the people of the state? The governor does have his right to, you know, say that this is who I want to work with or not. But what about the interest of the average emu person? Okay, first let us understand it from the point of law. The law allows only the governor to select whoever that will serve in the executive council. The law did not in any shape or form allows for any appointment in the executive council from anybody other than the governor of the state. That's what the law says. And in that provision, the law did not stipulate where and whether the person should be appointed must reside in a particular state. But whatever discussion or discourse that people are having regarding to giving opportunity to those that reside in the state, I think that one may just, one may just be looking at it from the moral point of view or from the view that there are people living in the state that may have contributed immensely to the state, that those people should be given opportunity. But again, the constitution did not give anybody, did not extend to anybody other than the governor, the power and the right to select who works with him. And at the end of the day too, if the governor decides to appoint somebody who may not work in tandem with his blueprint or with the policies or the aims of that administration, if anything happens, the whole Nigerians of the state, the citizens of that state will hold the government, that particular administration accountable. They will not hold any other person. So if the governor decides to import or to appoint somebody who has never resided in that particular state, as a commissioner, I will say in my own view that it's good. Let them appoint. I have always advocated that we must not have, we must not have in every state. Assuming if the commissionership positions are 15, I have always advocated that the law, in fact, it should be a part of our laws, that at least three must come, three must come from all the different ethnic groups, so that we can, we can gradually, persistently and constantly try to unify the nation. The reason why at every time, at every little altercation or every little disagreement happens, everybody rushes, rushes back to his ethnic group, is because we have not made concerted efforts to unify Nigeria. I will say to those that resided in Nemo state, or that have resided in Nemo state and have qualification to be appointed as a commission in Nemo state, I will tell them to take a GEP. Maybe as this, since the governor has started place, I believe that maybe if it continues, subsequent government will come and if not this, subsequent government will come and that government will try as much as possible to give a sense of belonging to those in this state. But looking at it from the point of law, the government or law, whether in Lagos state or in like in Lagos state, that has become a part of the Lagos state and we can see the output from Lagos state. Lagos state is about not only the center of excellence in terms of nomenclature, it is a center of excellence in terms of the activities that they are doing. Whether it's in law, whether it's in ensuring that the law works and all that, Lagos state is really, is really number one. I cannot mention any other state that is catching up with them other than schooling from outside. I just want to quickly ask, I want to quickly ask if the tables were turned, if the tables were turned and this was Beylw Matawale's choice to make, do you think that this would have happened to an emo person or anybody from any other part of the country, if the tables were turned? Secondly, if, I mean now that this happened and now that it's made news and she's given her reasons why she left, what form of unification or change do you think that this will bring about in emo state? Let's not forget, emo state has its own problems. A king was kidnapped and then killed and abducted in a public place. A monarch was abducted some days ago. He thankfully regained freedom. Of course, there's some, emo is fast becoming a theatre of war of sorts for want of a better way to describe it. What form of change does that Shinkafee lady coming to emo state as a member of the executive council bring to the so the states in general, if you have any idea? Okay, not go on. I may not know whether if if the governor of Zamfara state is asked to take a similar position whether he will take somebody from emo state or take a commissioner that is already residing, that has never resided in Zamfara state. I may not be able to say that. What is to me, I think that the lesson that the governor of Zamfara state and of course other governors should learn is the lesson to ensure because each time the governor's will point at kissing fingers to to the people or to citizens that they are the ones dividing the dividing Nigeria, dividing the nation. I want to say that if you look at it critically, you will find out that it may not be the people. It may be government at all levels. Government have not made concerted effort, have not consistently tried to ensure a reflection of Nigeria in the cabinet of all the all the state executive council. So let's hope that this will be a lesson to some of the global owners. And again, if the commissioner, the I don't know the full name, but if the new commissioner so appointed the name of the state, if she does well that will further cement or will further show that it that to perform creditably well as a member of the executive council does not want to come from that state. Most of the things, most of the projects in some of the states that were carried out by the military administrators that are not from that particular state will always stand tall to show that it doesn't matter where the person comes from. But that's different. The military administrators were like governors. Their mandate was to make sure of costs. It was within their purview to do all of those things. It was their job. This is what a military administrator is. He's not a commissioner. He's not an appointee. He is the governor at the time of that state. So yes, it is his duty to make sure that he develops a state within the tenure that he has. I don't think that it's the same, I don't think it's the same scenario that you're painting because I think one is different from the other. It may not be the same. It may not be the same completely. But if you look at it from the point of, okay, let's look at it from this point that the governor was given mandate by the people to develop the state and the governor feels strongly that there are some persons that are not from that state that can assist in ensuring that the development for which the mandate was extended to him happens. I do not think that is a wrong thing. But like I said, it's not an end. It's not an end yet. It will only be an end and a beautiful thing if the commissioner that is appointed goes to Emil State and does excellently when in whatever capacity or portfolio that the governor may assign to her, that will not be good. But if she goes there and does a wishy washing thing and did not perform well, then the governor will have his head on a platter before the people will ask for the governor's head on a platter because they will say that the governor, instead of appointing citizens or emo indigins, I decided not to only to appoint somebody who is not from there to come and again the person again did not do well. So all, no matter how you look at it, what will determine whether or not this attitude or this kind of appointment will continue in the future and it will be good in the future will be the service that will be a performance by the new commissioner that is appointed in Emil State. I do not want to repeat it. I do not want to look at whether or not the person has the experience of whatever thing. I want to look at it from the positive angle. Number one, it will a gender unity. It will show that not only in legal state, that at least in Emil State or in the state, we have to go. We have to go. We are out of time and we have to go. I want to thank you. We'll keep our eyes on Shinkafee in Emil State and see how the story develops. Thank you very much. Ominachuku is a legal practitioner. Thank you once again for joining us. Thank you for having me. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. Nigerians tell us whether they believe the government is serious about fighting insecurity and that is what I live you with tonight on Plus Politics. I am Mary Anna Cohn. I'll see you tomorrow. Have a good evening. What I'm saying in this country, I'm not happy with it. We are not scared at all. We are not scared because I see no reason why all this issue of this abandonment will be happening. Not that the government did not know what they're supposed to do and no word is supposed to do, but it's like they are playing game with their self inside on that place. If not, what is there? If a military, a Nigerian military can go to outside and then go for a peacemaker and make sure they capture everything. How much more is this country here? The participation of the government about it, I don't really think they are even ready to solve this security problem because they are focusing on other things. There are a lot of things they are inviting their attention to and they never think this security issue is so important to what they can stand on. See, they focus on only their pockets, what they benefit from, what they can get something from. You understand? So they are not really working on the security of the country because how can you say not all bandits are criminals? Somebody is saying that and you are going to IPU and calling them, they are the criminals disturbing the country. Why Boko Haram have been there for years killing two presents and you could not see anything about that. The government are playing games. As you can see, insecurity everywhere. People dying. People dying, even in streets. There is no security, even in so-called streets. Before 10 o'clock, everywhere is dark, there is no street light. Street light. As you may know street light, at least we will be saying somebody that is coming to attack us will be saying him or her. But this time around we are not seeing anybody. Everywhere is totally dark and we are now talking about insecurity. Definitely the government are playing games.