 And joining us to look at this and other political issues tonight is Otomba Besmone-Unsay Jumbo. As President, Team Nigeria for Change. Otomba, good evening. Good evening. Thank you for making our time to join us tonight. It was my pleasure. Did you monitor that event, the Thanksgiving service in Port Harcourt? Yes, I watched part of it. I was commenting on others. Okay. What do you think about Amici's declaration? It is a democracy. And in all honesty, Amici is qualified to run for the presidency of Nigeria. Amici is experienced enough to run. And he has exercised his right as a free Nigerian citizen. Because I like it. Because I'm one of those who believe that the presidency after President Mehmed Wali should come to the south of Nigeria. Amazing, amazing. Now I'm going to come to President Buhari's perceived involvement in that. But talking about the presidency going to the south. Do you think this is another way of pacifying his declaration, Amici's declaration, is another way of pacifying people in the south? I don't know what you mean by pacifying. No, if it does go to him eventually, if it gets demanded, do you think that's enough to pacify them? Truth of the matter is, it is only those who don't love Nigeria, who don't love the unity of this country, that would want power to remain in the north after President Buhari. Because we have a gentleman agreement in the interest of Nigeria for power to rotate between north and south. So Amici, in the line of that, have exercised his belief in that gentleman agreement that power should come to the south. So if it comes to the south, then the competition will be among south of both in APC and in PDP to present the two presidential candidates for the two dominant parties. So it's not about consolation, it's about the right thing to do. Okay, it's not about consolation or pacifying, it's about the right thing to do. Now there are insinuations and some quotas that the President's body language is in support for the minister's bid. Do you also think so? I don't think so because we've had speculations all around. The President's body language is supported at a point. The President's body language was for Shiba Jew. The President's body language was for Umai, it was for Amici. They're just conjectures in the realm of speculation. So I don't think it's true. But if it does ring true, what does that pretend for Lagos, for Sao Wulu of Lagos? There's no relationship between Amici's declaration and Sao Wulu's argument. No, this is what I'm saying. Otoba, let me make it clear. Okay, now if it's true that the President is supporting Amici or Amici is his candidate or his surrogate, quote-unquote, then what's beginning to happen within the folds, the ranks and fires of the APC that may trickle down to Lagos? Governor Babaji de Sao Wulu will earn his second term on the basis of performance, on the basis of who he is and on the basis of the Lagos developmental template, which up to 90-something percent I think he has kept. Babaji de Sao Wulu is not deterred by Amici or by anything in our body language supporting Amici. Babaji de Sao Wulu will earn his right for second term in office by virtue of his performance. And I don't see, APC does not also want to lose the presidency. So we are very careful who the party presents as his presidential candidate. Don't forget the PDP is still there. So the APC must do its own work well to present somebody who will be acceptable to the North and the South. Someone whose performance will end votes for the party. It is not about prejudice, it's not about sentiments. It's about retaining power as a party. So Sao Wulu in his own study in Lagos, I would say it's with a forgotten conclusion. You wouldn't try, I don't think anybody would try to rock the study votes that Sao Wulu is cruising in right now. Okay, why would you say it's a forgotten conclusion or it's a concluded matter? Looking at other candidates from other parties who are beginning to gather and garner followership and momentum here and there. Do you think the natives? Yes, do you think that there cannot be any other formidable team that could challenge him? Is that what you're saying? A year to election, the only challenge he's going to have is probably within the APC. I don't think there's any other party in Lagos, I mean realistically. It took a certain candidates that left the APC to PDP to try to wake them up, to governize them into knowing that there's an election in 2023. And so, and I don't see that candidate as a formidable one against Sao Wulu. Truth is, if it's on base of performance, it is only somebody who has other prejudice and other sentiments outside of performance, outside of sincerity and honesty that we say Sao Wulu has not done well enough. Sao Wulu came into power and by time, I mean look at it, what the things that he started, he finished. What are we talking about? Is he education? Is he railway? Is he transportation? Is it even in his personality as a human person? Despite all the problems that came along his tenure. He surmounted everything with grit, with thought, with diplomacy and with that thing the Yoruba scholar Mulu had been. So I don't see any opposition in Lagos for Sao Wulu and I'm being serious about that. Thank you very much. I'll make that my last question to you. What we'll do is we'll have you again once he officially declares for second term. We'll have you again and then we'll look at this and some issues surrounding this again. If I have one, I will buy his phone for second term. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much for joining us on the news.