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Yeah, we have lots of people watching which is great But I don't I don't quite understand how that works when we didn't announce anything but Well, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Should I send a bat signal out? Sure Okay Although no, I'm not going to because we're not live streaming to the app Okay, can I do that? I think good We are we are now live streaming to the app. Yeah Well, it's just it's a different path, but yeah, oh, I see Twitter not not the app You see Twitter not the correct. I see Twitter YouTube LinkedIn and Facebook Okay 10 19 live from Las Vegas watching join the chat. Yes, I know it's like watching grass grow You can comment Published send now great Amazing Why do I have two of these here? I'll play your silly game. Why I don't know They're both the same Anyway, this is a yeah, it is a silly game. It's a stupid question There are no stupid questions except that one Okay Yeah, let's go man play some music Please rolled up get to work. That's right. 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Yes, okay Mackie gab 10 19 live from Las Vegas from CES 2024 for Tuesday, January 19th also 2024 Folks and welcome to Mackie gab the show where of course we usually Answer your questions. We share your quick tips. We share your cool stuff found today We're gonna be sharing our cool stuff found and thoughts and reactions to the things that we have seen here Over the first couple of days that we have been here at CES and yes We are at CES here in Las Vegas And we couldn't be here without our CES coverage sponsors, which are carbon copy cloner comm slash Mgg core code i o slash mgg and collide comm slash mgg I'll talk a little bit more about them in a little bit for now here in Las Vegas, Nevada I am Dave Hamilton and here in Las Vegas, Nevada is pilot Pete. Dave. Can you do me one favor, sir? No hopping your time machine and come back 10 days. It's the 9th of January not the 19th Did I say the 9th at the beginning of the show you said the 19? I did yeah, but that's okay Okay, we're back in time. We're back is not linear and it's the 9th of January 10 18 Yeah, oh, I did 10 19 because that's the show yeah, and then I said January I knew there was something wrong and I couldn't put my like it. Yes. Okay. I put your proverbial thumb on it Oh snap. I screwed it up Pete Yes, you did and oh snap is who I'm gonna talk about first amazing These people have hit it out of the park. There's just no two ways about it You may recall me talking about this last year at the show they put an oh snap on my machine on my iphone And then I wanted to film them Putting it on an iphone case to show how easy it was so davar offered up his phone So he could then take it a few feet away And take that thing off his phone and it remains on that case to this day although it's in his son's possession We visited the oh snap booth earlier today boy, do they have some neat stuff they Have now the snap for lux which goes right on it's it's mag safe, but it's uber strong It's about as thick as a nickel. It will Your phone will charge right through that little pop socket and the oh, yeah I want to take a second and just make sure people understand because it's basically, you know For those who know a pop socket, that's what oh snap does except it's super thin And you can charge through it, but it gives you a little handle to hold your phone It does it's awesome And there's all kind there's a little video on their site that's worth going to look at because there's so many ways You can hold the phone now you can stick your finger through the little grip that it has that comes out It makes a perfect kickstand. It's super durable Um, I love it. Everybody got stocking stuffers This christmas this from oh snap and they've got some other stuff coming soon They've got a wallet coming and they've got some mounts. So oh snap dot com These things are not cheap, but you get what you pay for these are quality products that are super durable I the I got to say the other thing that I thought was the The mount for the grip Looked a little plasticky and flimsy and I thought would last a couple weeks at best the initial Yeah, the one we got last year. Yes, it still works great And oh by the way, I actually stood on mine and scraped it across the concrete deck and it gouged it a little but it's in Perfect working order. Hey Pete. Don't do that again. I promise. Okay, great So um Yeah, oh, I'll not I'll not hit the I won't do that again either hit the table and rattle rattle rattle Yeah, well, it's good because you have your uh, you're still wearing your ces badge while we're doing this So that's rattling and rattling but to take that off would require some acrobatics that I I don't know that you're ready to do Yeah, well, I'll tell you what I'll mute my mic. Well, you start talking about the next item And I'll make it happen and you can all watch if you're on video So the next item is related to this it is You know, everyone is talking about here at at uh, you know at c. Yes Everyone's talking about chi two every You know company that you can imagine that has any sort of charging Uh wireless charging device is talking about chi two It's all coming soon. Some people have devices that are chi two now But lots of it is coming in the next couple of months and yes all your favorite chargers the stuff from anchor the stuff from Base us the stuff from everybody is doing chi two The question that seems to be on people's minds is what is chi two? I had that very question last night. Yes. What's the difference? So the the difference is that and it's easy for us apple users, especially current iphone users to forget That chi Is not magnetic Right, we use it magnetically right with something we've come to call magsafe Although you can buy things that aren't officially magsafe. So they are magnetic chi, right? And you know all that stuff so chi two was inspired by magsafe and in fact apple was involved in Sort of helping to find the standard with the wireless power consortium, but chi two is Has magnetic power profiles built into it at baked into it So it is it is part and parcel the the magnet part that we have come to rely on with Magsafe is basically now just a part of chi two Initially out of the gate It will support a power profile of up to 15 watts just like magsafe But there is talk of that being raised over time. In fact, there are companies out there I think we talked to the folks at zag. Well, but mulfi and mulfi's got a A chi two power pack that actually delivers. I think they said 21 watts of power Your phone gets a net 15 watts because there's always going to be lost with you know, the Through heat and just dissipation that's happening with the the fact that it's wireless power, you know or proximity power So so yeah chi two is is primarily chi with magnet so The difference there is a difference between chi two and magsafe, but I certainly can't articulate it I suppose the best one is it's not just for apple devices And that's that's what chi two is so The answer is we all want chi two and the benefit to us as consumers Is multiple multi-fold right one of the benefits is because it's not just apple only there will be more Manufacturers making stuff for it not that there's there's a shortage of iPhones to market to but it opens up the market for it So there'll be some interesting iterations But the and and sort of feeding into that is that apple doesn't have to approve it In order for it to be chi two like they do with magsafe So prices will likely come down. There is still a chi two approval and that is not free However, it's gonna be less than it is So like all those kind of chi things that are maybe 150 dollars, you know for like the three in one Those we might see come down to 99 dollars for a three in one, you know, nice Yeah, they're not going to come down to the 35 dollars like we see with the You know the Chinese stuff on amazon that's not magsafe, but it's magnetic and it lasts almost two weeks, too Oh, at least sometimes. Yeah at least 13 and a half days. That's right. Yeah So That's uh, that's chi two. Hopefully that helps. Yeah Very cool. Yeah, that was fun to see that and he did mention mofie The juice pack is back. Yeah New and love the the juice pack back in the day the the phone case with the battery built in Is uh, is coming back from mofie. Yeah, so The uh, the second thing that I wanted to talk about today was a pretty cool little company that we went and saw And they're called idyllic idyllic technology And that's their website idyllic dot technology Cool, um, what what do they do? What what do they do? I didn't there's less I had no idea what they did, but they do they do less. It's essentially it is a cross between a barcode reader And a near field communication and an NFC Uh, it would be RFID. I'm sorry. I'm probably a better a better way to say it than NFC. Yeah, so Um, but but they wanted to solve for the fact that sometimes the barcode on a package gets destroyed or The barcode how often have you been standing at the grocery store trying to check out and the cashier Hits all seven sides of a box before she finally finds the the barcode to scan it and check you out They solve that and they solve the cost of the RFID Which has the little antenna and the chip in it and all that and then that's not that good for the environment and all that good stuff What they have developed is a basically a card that has Various sizes and shapes of metal. They appear to be metal bars in the card They may I don't know what they're made of I didn't ask that question But they appear to be metal they're metal. There's some sort of metal. Yeah, and he said it Senses frequency between three and six gigahertz and it gets it bounces it off that metal almost like a sonic thing Yeah, and it and he said for lack of a better word It plays a song and it's like a barcode each one is unique for every product All the package delivery person has to do is run the box by the little antenna as he's taking it off or All the cashier would have to do is take the box of Quaker Oats and and run it right across the little antenna that's sitting on the counter And it will read it Much like an RFID. Yeah, but without the expense and much As efficient as a barcode without needing to point the barcode at The the thing so the the downside is this is not technology that you and I can go out and buy and enjoy But it is amazing technology. It's an amazing solution to the problems that have been facing the barcode and the RFID folks For years and I think in the future will help bring down things like shipping costs because and And even grocery costs it saves time for every second that they are able to save They're paying somebody, you know, they're getting more people through more throughput And they say that it but an RFID costs about a nickel I think that's what he said and then there's e-waste from it, of course because there's actually a chip in it This is less than a penny For the card for the for the little card and it you know, it's just metal and and and cardboard. So it's yeah Fascinating. It's you know, it This is what we love about ces is coming here and finding Certainly we find cool products that we can actually like Put on our phones and get and put in our hands and use but then sort of getting the insights into What is going to fuel the next things that are coming and I love that in fact I want to talk about one of those things which is wi-fi 7 I do want to take that minute. I promised and share a little bit more About each of our ces 2024 coverage sponsors mac updater Is available at corecode.io slash mgg. This is one of my favorite apps It allows me to keep all of my apps up to date on my mac So I don't have to think about it. So when I go to launch an app, it's already up to date I'm not getting the notification the moment I launch it that says, hey, do you want to update? It's like not right now. 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So it's combining 2.4 gigahertz 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz to make sure you're fully utilizing the whole spectrum you know it it kind of Expands on what wi-fi 6 did Which was mainly focused on supporting lots more devices simultaneously This then adds more speed It it does that not only by combining all three bands, but it has this ultra wide 320 megahertz bands It's got a different quam that it's using to Modulate the data stream so that you fit more in it And it's you know speeds can be up to 46 gigabits per second so at all Yeah, so but you're really going to get gigabit wi-fi speeds with this right and then some right and once again The bottleneck is going to be the pipe coming into the house correct no longer the wi-fi router But within the house You're getting all those speeds to your you know to your nas and all this stuff and you've got better network capacity the interesting part comes in the devices that we've seen and You know we've seen a few companies that have their wi-fi 7 stuff here They are out some of them are out in the market some of them are coming soon But the prices on these are not low and and that's an understatement You know if you like at pepcom last night, I talked to the orbi folks that or the netgear folks about the orbi um a three pack of the orbi 970 which is a quad band wi-fi 7 mesh capable system right the three pack is 999 and and there's a comma in that number folks so Not a decimal not a decimal point right So that's that's 2299 a two pack 1699 a one pack which is one obviously 899 you can get their night hawk rs 709 Tri-band standalone router for 699. These are all four by four They there are you know various configurations The orbi's have some 10 gig ports and some two and a half gig ports So you can really kind of take advantage of all that bandwidth, but it's not inexpensive I always whenever we talk about mesh eventually I wind up talking about tp link We met with the tp link folks and it is important to remember and I I say this to remind myself as much as all of you tp link because of the scale at which they produce things and the the Scale at which they simply are a global force They are able to be disruptive on the pricing side without sacrificing on the quality side So the tp link three pack for the deco be 63 Is seven about 700 dollars? That's incredible right still very expensive. Yeah For a three pack for a you know for a mesh system, but one third the price correct Correct. Yeah, and they're uh, they're The standalone routers you can get for you know 249 299 in that range. They've got a flagship model coming out the be 900 They didn't quite have pricing on that for us today, but I think that's going to be you know Probably 349 399 if I if I had to guess but we'll we'll get data on that and share But it it's important to remember that tp links out there and and likes to be disruptive by pricing And they can do it because they do so much scale Certainly they are a presence here in the united states, but Most of their business is done elsewhere So even though we only see it we see a trickle of it here even though we see plenty at tp link here So yeah, so that's wi-fi 7. That's um, yeah Yeah, and and they've put a whole smart home together too. So we'll talk more about that. Yeah, obviously going forward But yeah, oh man was that kind of cool. Yep. So what's what's the last thing you got for us p? So I of course Brought another cool stuff found that you can't go out and buy sorry Uh hate to do it, but it's tech that's going to fuel other tech It is tech that's going to fuel other tech and I talked to two companies that are both basically selling to oem But the cool thing that they're going to do is reduce batteries no need to remove the need for batteries and Make ambient solar Light within the home ambient light within the home power things like your Television remote your keyboard your mouse all these things that you either need to recharge or put triple-a batteries in and that sort of thing That's That's what they're going after so the first one was ambient photonics dot com. Okay, so ambient light Yeah, that was cool. And and they have developed uh an ability that these companies use two different technologies But they've developed the ability to make ambient light in the home Enough to power these smaller devices whereas before is the they both used the example of remember it was the old lcd Calculators, yeah That had a little solar chip solar thing And they were showing, you know, there are solar keyboards out there now But the solar strip is the entire length of the top of the keyboard They had these things down to about 10 to 15 percent of the real estate that those had They say they like three times the amount of of juice out of it right per square inch or per square whatever, right? Yeah, so something that that has the surface area the size of maybe your thumb will power a keyboard And and then the one the other one that they showed was A little I think it was a roku remote or it was a fire. It was a fire stick remote And yeah, and they had put the The solar panel in both sides So if someone just threw it on the couch and it went face down It was still getting the charge that it needed to be to be operable And then the second company that I talked to was solar's and so that's sol a i r e s And is that solar's net it is. I think it is. Yeah Solar's net and they're doing the same thing So powering everything from, you know smart door locks to wireless keyboards and scales and watches and Uh electronic shelf labels they say so any any of those things. I know that when my lock dies Batteries are my lock die down in florida I got to go down here and manually change it or call somebody down there and say yeah, may go change those Yeah, eight double e's or whatever So this is the type of thing that's coming can't go out and buy it today But people are putting a lot of thought and effort into lowering the the footprint of these things and making them more efficient for us and Improving our lives. It's it's cool stuff. No, it's tech that fuels other tech I mean, I think that's the theme of this this episode You know and we don't get me wrong We are seeing we are seeing and finding and and going to be we're gonna bring a bunch to you lots Lots of like the tech that we can touch watch our youtube channel. We are putting out sort of Product specific videos of things that we found a little short, you know one to three or four minute maybe You know, but but short little things that that you know, you can actually see the What we saw on the on the show floor at the various press events, but Yeah, find our youtube channel youtube.com. I'll put a link to it But I think it's youtube.com slash at mac geek out or something. I'm in fact. I'm I'm sure that's what it is There you go. Yeah. Thanks for hanging out those folks. It's uh, it's a blast We have to go off to our next show stoppers event So we will that that's yet another one of these things where there's lots of people there to talk to the press and show them And it starts in 35 minutes and it's probably about 20 minutes away peak time that we bounce out of here So we gotta go we gotta go it's time to go. Thanks for hanging with us folks Are you saying it's time to stop the show to go to show stop? No, he had to do it. Sorry folks. There we are. That's fun. We're having too much fun It's great. We're exhausted by the end of the day. We are a little punchy We we get a little punchy and we're not even close to the end of the day yet. So You do the math This might be our last full like episode from cES, but you know Monday another show will come out He's got to put up with me the rest of the night. I know until then folks Don't get caught made Made on several maps Cool, we're up Brian hello Paul. Thanks everybody. Thanks for hanging out. What a blast having uh, having a few of our uh, A few of the regulars here in our mackie cap family all we just get to hang out The difference is we knew we were doing this now I mean as of an hour ago. It was like, oh, we should do this now You didn't and yet you showed up with us. So it really It makes a difference. It really does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah when you're doing it and you know somebody's there Yeah, yeah, so you're like little heart man going Anybody? Anyone that's right. Pete we can see your uh, you're showing your camera. Oh, I knew we got your shirt and everything there going on It's nice. Yeah, it's good. All right, folks. We're uh, we're out of here Well, uh, we'll see it and whenever the next one is which is probably friday morning for the you know The full show with adam and all that's All right