 Welcome to Toffey TV, it is the footy show daily, where we look at all the latest breaking stories from the footballing world. Rwiki, as being on today, he's done a show on Sky Sports talking about players' wages. He said that players shouldn't be forced into taking pay cuts at that top clubs. He feels that too much is getting made of what has been happening. Obviously this was started by Matt Hancock, the health secretary. He said that there is pressure on players at the really big clubs with wealthy owners to take pay cuts. He said that the way I look at it now, particularly after the way I left Man United, I wouldn't take a pay cut for anyone if I was at one of the bigger clubs. I know there's pressure on players, but it's nobody's business what you do with your wages. You take your wages and if you want to be generous, go ahead and do it. I don't think players should feel pressured by clubs, particularly the bigger clubs, to take a pay cut. They sign a contract and your contract with a club is a personal matter. This idea that all players should take a pay cut or that all players should have to do it. Do this, I think that is nonsense and it is up to the individual. If you want to stick to your guns and say that they want their full wages when you've got a billionaire in the background, do it. Don't be swayed by some sort of pressure from the media who writes lies anyway about certain players. Then it goes on to just, you know, labour on the point. Do normally. What are your thoughts on that because obviously there's been a lot of pressure in the last few weeks. I think this is one of the first times someone as vocal as Roy Keynes as an ex-player has come out and basically gone sort of like the other way with it. I think it only really come out because the failure and the staff, didn't it? That was how it came into the public domain, really. Spears, I think, were the first ones. At the time, I remember thinking, well, hang on. You're asking people, you're either failure and staff and you're asking people on much less wages, maybe 20 grand a year, maybe a bit more to take pay cuts while I'll use Harry Kane because his most high profile Spears player is on 170 grand a week or whatever the same. So, why should the person struggling on 20 grand a week take a pay cut but Harry Kane at the top of the thing not take a pay cut? That was why. It wasn't, we didn't come to it or I don't think it would have been in the media had Spears not have said we're failure and staff and asking them to take a cut. If you're failure and staff, if you're asking everybody from the owner, like the chairman who's paid the wage, to the players, to the ticker office, to the cleaners, to whatever, to all take the same pay cut, that's a different thing. But at first, it was footballers' hands, yet the lowest paid members of staff are. And I think that's why it was in the domain in the first place. And then obviously Hancock are old of it and seem to just go off the footballers, but nobody else. So, it's a tough one because the moral side of it is like, well, does Harry Kane need 600 grand a month or whatever? But then that's someone who's on 1500 grand a month. I think a lot to be made in the last few days won't met a day, so I think he's refused too. Do you think that, I mean Roy Keane's come out and he said it, obviously he's got experience of it. And the thing about Roy Keane, there was a player who never had an agent. No, he always had his solicitor. He probably thought he knew what he was worth, slightly different time as well, didn't have to worry about. Image rights and that kind of thing, but he obviously feels like once you open that door, then you become, it becomes almost like on the players then. But isn't this what the PFA was saying? And they'd be criticised for this the other week when they said nobody take a pay cut because he's setting a dangerous precedent going forward. Mae ddaw i'n fathio'r, fathio'r taw. To be honest, I think he's right in what he's saying. Because I completely disagree with football as given their money to, in some kind of staged pack to charity. The more this situation is going on, the more I feel I'm getting more angry with the amount of pressure that's putting on people to prop up institutions that other people should be propping up or that we already prop up. And so part of me feels like Roy Keane is, what I mean by that is I'm not saying they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. What I mean is is that once you sort of become a, once you start sort of saying we're going to have this packed and then one person might disagree, then the light is then shone on that one person. Do you know what I mean? It's like- Put that someone hung, mesasau, is allowed to try, didn't he? That's what I'm saying. It becomes this all or nothing mentality and he becomes a bad guy. Where there's, I think what Roy Keane is saying, who's to say that metatasell isn't taking a big proportion of his wages. And don't eat it to where ever. Well, we've had shone on come out yesterday and named all the things that he does to do. Well, that's what I'm saying. Who's to say metatasell isn't saying, right, I pay tax in this country. So, therefore, you're getting my tax money. So, see all this money, I'm actually going to send this to kids in Germany or kids in Turkey, let's say, right? Yeah. Because he might say, well, hang on, I'm paying 40% taxed in this country. That's supposed to go to the NHS and, you know, everything else. And then I'm paying, and then I'm doing me part by looking after these people who are, you know, in my homeland or Germany or Turkey or whatever. And then I'm sort of being forced into doing this thing because it's become this all holy and thou. I think for me, the, the NHS stuff, I think, is it. It's our, for me, it's our, the best thing we've got in this country by a mile. It's the, it's the beacon of this country. The other stuff, whatever, it should, it shouldn't need proper enough. Everything should be put into it. It should be getting made better. There should be more resources. There should be more nurses, more doctors. It should be a lot better. And it could be a lot better if you stop pissing money away on other stuff and stop trying to cut it and actually start protecting it. There's enough money in the country. Don't care about anybody says the government has enough money to sort of end the story. That's one argument. That's one thing. Could we have a comic relief day? I don't disagree with that. I know you do. No, to be honest, there was one on last night. And it was the money wasn't for the NHS. It was for the charities of children in need and comic relief. And that's fine. That is an NHS. That's not going to the NHS. What I was saying was I don't mind having one for the NHS, but it shouldn't be. Where it shouldn't be at the expense of meaning that the Tories or Labour or whoever's in power can go. Well, sorry, because they get 100 million off that TV show, so we don't need to put it in there. Back to the football thing. Hancock was saying the pay cut to put into the NHS or whatever. The pay cut to proper. In Germany and Barcelona have done this. Barcelona have struck a 70% pay cut, by the way, their players. But the 70% pay cut is to prop the club up. The staff. Right. And that's my argument which spares. My argument isn't. Those players should take a pay cut to give to the government. Right. Because you've just nailed it. The pay tax which goes to the NHS. They're all ready. We ain't really said this to Europe. It's all right. We ain't really said I can give money up quite easily. But what about a lad who's 18, 19, who might be driving around in a big car that maybe can only just afford. Cos he's just broken in. You're asking him to give it up. All of a sudden he can't afford his car. I'm not saying that's right. No, no, but somebody like Matty Longstaff at Newcastle has been reported this week. He's on £850 a week, right? Which is a lot. That's a lot of money to us. Don't get me wrong. For us it'd be incredible. But you've got to look at it like this. Like you've just said. He might have a car, right? That he's... That's a grand amount. That's like... Yeah, yeah. And he used to say he's like... He hasn't bought his mum a house. Yeah, yeah. And at the moment it's on a mortgage. He'll pay that mortgage off once he gets a nice new contract. And he's got an apartment. Like you just said he's got an apartment. And suddenly you're looking at it going, well he has those things because he's a football and of course he does. Why wouldn't you? But the first thing you might buy something for your moment like a nice house and they go... Of course, yeah. That's a mortgage. I can afford the mortgage. And then when I get a new big contract I'll pay that off, right? Suddenly someone goes here... You haven't got the contract yet, have you? No, no, that's what I'm saying. And then someone says to you, well actually we want 30% of your wages and it becomes this group packed thing. And suddenly you don't do because you've got... At the moment I can't actually afford that. It makes a difference. And I'm not saying that like you can because I'm picking on him because I think his money... He's had his money published because he has given money to charity but I'm just saying you shine a light on that player. But I think what Keane's saying just getting away from that is that he's mentioned the top clubs because what he's saying is how do we know where that money's going? How do you know where that money's going? And we had a discussion about this about two weeks ago and we were saying when Tottenham are failing on their players, staff, Liverpool, Newcastle are still failing on that detail whether or not the deal goes through, I'm sure it will, but that's something that if the owner says I don't think space or Liverpool should have failed out anyway. Because they own by billionaires. But they're looking at it from a business point of view. From a business point of view they'll look at it. And the government are paying for it then. So then if players want to get together and say well if we take a 5%, 10% pay cut, we can help everyone else at the club. But as long as the people at the top do that as well, Levy and that's where my thing is if you have to help the people in your club that's what I'm saying and this is what like I said Barcelona have done about 70% of the property club up, the people who were there. I can't even remember it. Someone in this country though saying I'm going to people in the ticker office and people like that. They're there all the time. We should be doing it as players. I can't remember who it was. And I was like that's the exact attitude. Not saying I'm on under grand a week, like 20 grand a week mind, give it to people because they take 40% right off the bat the government. So we are give cut me again and give that to the nurses now. But if I can give £2,000 of my wages a month, £10,000 of my wages a month for three ticker office staff or whatever, four staff to keep them able to feed their families then I'd do it as a footballer. I'd go you know what it's only going to be for a few months and prepare to help someone else. It's a difficult one isn't it because the players have set up this fund and I think they've set it up through the PFA. So no money comes out of the club, the clubs aren't taking any money off them, they're paying separately and they're going to send that, that's going to go to wherever it goes. Wherever it goes, they've decided that. I think the meta-taser one is a nice one isn't it of taking the pay cut. So meta-taser might have paid into that other one and then suddenly you've given money somewhere else. He might have five members of staff who he loves at the club and he might be like I'll pay your wages. Don't worry. Privately might need them to set out. I don't know. You've just seen it the other day and you see 350 grand a week won't take a pay cut and you go fucks sake. Yeah. You know, a pay cut that he wouldn't miss it like the lottery he'd still get 300 grand a week before tax obviously. So in your mind you go fucks sake. That's terrible. It gets greedy that when there's people who... But it's a headline isn't it? But it's a headline. Just a headline. But then I suppose when you step away from it and you go well hang on he probably does do a lot of stuff. Had he paid too much, of course he had. But that's a default. If someone's prepared to give you that money you take it. But like you say for me they should be without question propping up the rest of the club in my opinion. I don't know how that works as a model, how you do it. And if you said to a few of those players listen, you know if you give me 10% All right, well let me ask you this. Now when I come to you and you were on an underground a week at Everton and I went ped, listen if you give up 10 grand a week or whatever you can keep five members of staff. Well let me ask you this question then. Right? Richard Branson. Does he turn around to his pilots and say you've got to take a pay cut so all the hostesses or hosts go to work. Well he should do, yeah. But he doesn't, does he? Well no, well he's that. And they're clearly the highest. No, that's what I'm saying. They're the highest paid people. That's what I'm saying. No one's asking those people are the two to do that. An investment banker, no one's saying you should have 10% less of your wages so that the people who were at the bottom. That's what I'm saying. There's companies all over the place that are failing but nobody's asked those companies the highest paid people to fail out. It just seems to be a football thing where owners seem to be able to get away with the idea of everyone needs to take a pay cut for everyone else. It's just a weird dynamic, isn't it? No, no, no, no. I'm not saying one's right and one's wrong. What I'm saying is it's just a weird dynamic that football falls into this category. That like nobody else. It's a very strange, I don't quite understand why it's the only. And these people are normally just like working class lads who've done well for themselves and yet the bade and the expectation falls on them. It's such a strange thing I find with football. It's difficult to it's difficult to it's difficult to work out what would be the best way because I don't know the internet and the intricacies of their contracts and the morality side of it. But I think if you sat all the players down and were like look if we do this all together we can save people's jobs within this environment, within this football club. I think the majority will go. But it would for me it would have to be comparable. So obviously but I think Roy Keane's argument is why should footballers take a cut when the owner isn't willing to cut into his wealth? So that's what I'm saying. The owner should of course without a shadow but some owners will say they don't take money out of the club but obviously they don't take a way but some will say they don't. It's really hard because it's again I get the pay cut thing and I understand it if it's to sustain your football club. I'm thinking about the people in the club who have to go home and feed their families you'll never see 350 grand probably in their life not alone in a week. So if I'm on 300 grand a week because I'm a talented footballer and I can save five box off a staff member then I will do it. Now he might do that himself anyway I don't know. But I just find this I find it personally staying. I know if it can help like a club like Bailey it's just when you think about it what Keane's saying is he's saying United the glazers are sitting there let's say. All that money and yet the baden again falls on the players Joe Lewis at Tottenham he's a multi-billionaire but he expects but it's like no no don't shine the light on me shine it on the players oh Harry Keane won't take a pay cut and it's like you know clonk higher than Arsenal metasiasis what he's saying you're a billionaire why am I taking a pay cut when you've got to save you money why am I saving why am I supposed to go without what I mean and when you're not going without and you own the club so the expectation falls on you the baden falls on you because you're the owner like Branson's a great example he keeps on moaning crying at least the worst one exactly so he's going he's going capping on to the government about money saying when it comes to the actual crunch it ain't going to happen so that's what makes you laugh more than anything else so I can fully understand where Roy Keane's coming from I just think that in a way where they can make people look like villains if they want to but the real villains should be the people who are behind the scenes who have got all this money who are pointing fingers to distract people away from them it's totally you're right and it is a deflection thing deflected away from what I'm saying and I understand what Keane's saying you don't want to set a precedent where's the money going what's it for why are they being highlighted but I think my belief personally the whole club should be to come to some agreement to save people losing their jobs you've got families over on and it's difficult once you start a fact and then man stay staff and all of course it is but just to reiterate it's just I find these things that they're becoming the villains it isn't willing to take they should really what is it going to cost I'd be interested to know how much it will cost those people for the months that this is going on and if it ends up now if it ends up being 15 million quid so be it I just find again this narrative of working class lads who've done well for themselves should be the responsibility of billionaires I just find it again very strange to be with stuff again all the time it seems to be them getting away with stuff anyway listen let us know your thoughts in the comments what do you think what about Roy Keane's comments do you think the burden should fall on the players do you think the players have done enough do you think they should take pay cut or under what circumstances should they take pay cut let us know your thoughts in the comments make sure you check out yesterday's video which was about yesterday's video was about sorry Andy Grace was messing to me and I'm trying to I can't even remember what was yesterday's video can't remember it's right down there oh yesterday's video was about how to finish the league and you know what a few people in the comments were actually were spot on okay I've got to go basically it won't make any difference make sure you subscribe give this video a like and if you want more great videos catch us on page and links in the description see you later