 All right guys, of course I'm hanging out with another legend. This is Rafton. What's up Rafton? Buona's U.S. Honor. Good. It's the last time. We were tied at Yohan's album. What's the name of the hotel? The name of the hotel? Kempinski. It was at Kempinski. Yes, yes. How do you feel? Are you fairing? I'm feeling better, Buona. As you can see, Buona. So I like challenges in my life. This day has reminded me of the days when we were starting, Buona. And I've loved the audience, the fun, the energy was above the ceiling. And I think the sound was good. I think the organizers, the sponsors, everyone who came through. We're new guys. Thanks so much for being there. Do you know TSO is something you know? Personally, I grew up going to the shows and all that. And now it's back. How do you feel that TSO is back? I'm happy. But will you look at TSO and be happy? I'm happy because it laid the foundation. It's legendary. It was one of the events that actually laid the foundation for the gospel concerts. So seeing it coming back, I mean, we are only but excited. And you know, if it is not for them occupying this space, other people will occupy. And you saw even Rafton tried pure praise. There is groove. There is TSO, the more the merrier. So what I'm going to tell the TSO organizers is this is the best thing that has happened in 2022. Yes. I totally believe that. Now, you know, Rafton, looking at the gospel industry, where it was back then and right now, we feel like there's a separation that has happened. Some people have started doing secular music. Others are still doing gospel, you know, and others are doing collaborations with secular artists. What are your thoughts about, you know, the change that has happened? For me, it's very easy. I don't believe in... I've seen it, my friend is here. Jones is here, my friend. But I don't agree in doing collaborations because you two cannot work together unless they agree. And you even had the story of King Solomon. The moment he brought in foreign, you know, wives in the kingdom, they confused his mind. So I'm not saying anything, but I'm just saying, if you're of God, stay in Godbanner. Do I hate my secular friends? No. No, no, no, no. I can minister to them, but honestly speaking, I cannot minister with them. The same way, I cannot go to the clubs with Jones and I minister with him. The same way, I cannot minister with him in the church. So for me, I say you can love everyone, even Jesus loved everyone, but never in the Bible did you see Jesus preaching with the tax collectors. I mean, no disrespect, you know. He loved Lazarus, he told him, come to the tree. Today, I'll eat in your house, but in his house, he preached to him. So that is black and white. I mean, you switch off this light, there'll be darkness. So for me, I encourage, even me, I was a secular artist. I've been a secular artist. Many people don't know I was a secular artist and there's somebody who preached to me and that's how I got born again. So I'm calling upon everyone on the other side with so much love. Am I perfect? No. Am I holding them down? No. But you cannot, nothing can be further than the truth. Does that mean you would actually not, you know, consider to do a collaboration with a secular artist? I mean, consider is an insult. We don't, you don't do that. No disrespect. You don't do that. Even now, I'm in politics. And that's politics. So how much more salvation. So that's what I can say, but let's know the Kenyans on Twitter boss me. I'm saying I love them and God loves them, but you have to renew. You have to be, you have to be born again for you to start this journey. You cannot be born again, then born backwards and still in the same journey. That's, that's what brought this confusion. If I don't speak, maybe no one will speak. Yes. You know, speaking about politics, Rafton, you know, it's a bit of a tricky conversation, especially with people on social media whereby they think, you know, religion and politics do not actually go hand in hand. So they sort of think, you know, when someone gets into politics, especially, you know, we've seen in Kenya, how corruption with our leaders has been, you know, mentioned on their name. What are your thoughts about that you've been a man of God and getting into politics? I think there's been a very serious misconception about politics. And should I say salvation? You know, I'm normally perplexed when people say that because King David in the Bible is a politician and also a musician, how did King David get into the palace? He used to sing. He used to be looking after the ship. And when the king in Stathouse had a matrimony, demons, they said, we'll bring a young boy, we'll be playing a harp for you so that the evil spirits can leave you. And that was King David's ticket to Stathouse. And that's how King Saul noticed him. He tried spearing him. And how did David again get into politics? He was a young boy looking after his father's ship, taking lunch to the soldiers, his brothers, elder brothers. And when he saw Goliath immolating the children of Israel, he said, who is this unsurpassed Philistine that is, disregarding my God and he challenged him and he killed him. What happened? Politics began immediately. The women started saying, King Saul has killed thousands but David has killed tens of thousands. Political hype began. And what happened at the end of the day? King Saul said, the one who killed Goliath, I'll give them my daughter as a wife. I'll give them land, I'll give them so many. And automatically, David became, should I say, familiar with kingship. And we saw him growing with favor with both men and God. And he became the king of Israel. They ruled for over 40 years. So that is a Christian musician, politician, and a king. It's in the Bible. And that's just one person. He mentioned Daniel, who was taken to Babylon and he was taken into kingship under the king Cardenas. And the guy was in the corridors of power but with integrity and faithfulness. He was even thrown into the den of lions. He served God so well that by the end of the day, King Nebuchadnezzar said, the God of Daniel is the one that we're going to serve. So we have so many men of God in the Bible. It is biblical. Politics is in the Bible. But when you go in there, then again, I'll mention another one, King Solomon, as I told you, where he was swallowed by women. Then that one also now brings problems. So God, the Bible says God anoints and chooses the leaders. He says, obey the law of the land. God says that. So that is all politics. So for me, I think it's a misconception. But again, I say with so much humility, once you've been called into leadership as a man of God, working integrity is not easy. But I can tell you there, those who worked in integrity, there is the lady, Queen Esther. She was married to a king. She was the first lady in politics. She worked in integrity. So I don't want to go on and on, but I can mention so many people in the Bible who are politicians or they were in the political arena. Next. All right. There you have it guys for both. You know, you had questions about, you know, Rafton's aspirations. That was very elaborate for sure. Now, Rafton would like to know what is that one thing that is in your manifesto that you cannot wait to implement in the case that, you know, you get a position. Okay. If I happen to be a leader in this land, one thing people telling me that I took it. I'm to taste one young is a bad thing. May I tell them that is my manifesto. I've been, I can tell you I was born in Pumwani. I was raised in Islans and in Kakamega. And one thing that has really brought segregation in this country is the people who have, make sure the people who don't have don't get. So for me, my desire is to break the barrier, to make sure that I speak for the voiceless. God helps injustice. For me, I'll buy because of justice and to speak for the voiceless. That one sums up everything about my manifesto. Yes. Okay. Okay. We hear that. Now, Rafton would like to know what is that one, who is that one artist you have not seen in a long time? There are so many. One nono crew, MOG, Shem, Danco. I mean, I've stayed for so long without seeing them. I mean, I'm perplexed. So I'm really humbled. The list is endless. Like almost everyone haven't seen a very long time. So I'm really happy and I'm excited about that. This was the perfect reunion for sure. Now to Kimalizia, Rafton, I would really love you to talk to the artists that, you know, stop doing gospel music and started doing secular music. Please tell them something. The beautiful thing about God is arms are always open. And like the prodigal son, God is so loving. His gates are so open. His arms are so open that it can even scare the ones who are inside. The story of the prodigal son. He went exploited and he actually just, you know, degraded into something else. But when he was coming back, the father was always looking at the horizon, hoping that one day he'll come back. And when he saw him, he ran towards him. He was an old man, but he ran towards him. And he welcomed him and automatically said, there was such a big party that even the other brother felt jealous. How come you, you are so excited about the outsider in quotes? And we, the insiders, we are here. And the father said, this is the greatest thing that has ever happened. And Christ also says, if one ship, one, he leaves the 99 for one. So if you're out there and you are doing gospel and now you don't do it no more, we can tell you. Don't come back because of anybody else. Come back because of Christ. His house is waiting for you. Your seat is there. Your bed is there. His love. You can never exhaust his love. Come back. That's what I can tell you. God loves you. We love you. Come back. All right, guys. You heard it from the legend. Thank you so much, Rafton, for talking to us. But as always, we wish you all the very best in your political aspiration. Thank you for having me. All of the pleasure. Mr. Iggy, me out. Love you.