 is it stir up that's on live, live hello, hi, we're live, good, good to know hello everybody, CES crew here, reporting for duty good role in MB you can, does that pop up on your screen Tom, if I if I click on the white shot of the floor right now I see you, yeah if you click on the white shot of the floor holy crap yeah, you're gonna have to look at the live stream because I get a different present oh, I see what you're saying oh, for me, uh nope but, uh, yeah, the details on the shot ah, no, I don't usually look at the shot oh, uh, I received that chat wrong button about 10 minutes away from the show so, yeah, that does not pop up on the live stream if I select, oh, wait a minute, you know what, no, I can't present to everyone that's what I have to do got it, got it oh, look at that, we can see this show floor when Roger does that why isn't it switching to me when I talk? oh, because you're overriding me, that's why yes so if you mention the white shot, I'll yeah, yeah that way it won't make any confusion let's make sure it actually goes back to me when I talk to yeah, there we go nice, I'm gonna lie perfect, oh, it's looking good so, Tom except for the cable management do you want me to order the CES quick hits just in terms of what's written? uh, okay so DJI for sure has to be there Paul, if you had a favorite down there in those CES hits let us know I think TCL and Sony need to be in there I'd paint you that other one about the shoes I don't know if you saw that I did not see that but they might not be room for it yeah all right, so uh, JBL I don't care about the JBL it's just more that the Google Bank shoved into things okay, the signal, yeah and we gotta have Moen up there, right? okay, so yes up to my hip air you can order up after that okay what's the X mean? oh, that's just don't move, those are definitely in no it marks the spot AT&T reportedly won't sell Huawei phones after all oh, they won't wow there's been big noises coming out of Huawei that there was what was gonna happen all right, cool so there are no time queues, Tom so yeah, you should come up with some I meant to ask you about that earlier sorry, yeah, it was um, DTMS I received that chat room oh, the chat room is a pound chat it gives you 10 minutes on the news a good time for quick hits are we leaving any gap for anything from Samsung or it's gonna be a bit hard we'll be wrapped by the time they finish saying hello I was just thinking they might have an embargo, Lyft keep an eye out for it Roger's gonna keep an eye out for that yeah, I'll get the email at the second wait, what am I doing? keeping an eye out for HTC and Samsung they've got the 146th TV that was yesterday um okay I'm trying to put it in um, swap I'll get the email from Samsung they always email me like 1 minute into there I just gave that I pinged on our quick hits perfect, thank you you don't have to worry about the HTC step till it'll happen I thought it was more public when I just said HTC and it was blank okay to the HTC for Hater no I'm gonna give you 3 minutes on NVIDIA and 3 minutes on LG and I'll set up NVIDIA Sarah, you set up LG sure, cool all right and Peter it's thing Q AI, right? because he made that joke like he came for coming yeah, no it's thing so that was just a joke so DeepThink was their own AI platform sorry, their own AI service and Think was actually, maybe it was Anyway, Think was the platform itself which is allowing Alexa and Hone to be on which is way easier to say yeah all right, um we can start early I'm not gonna know where my no 93 members, wow yeah, we're not even early nope I know, this is the way it goes yes, please we don't have a live link at DailyTechNewShow.com yeah, but if you go to DailyTechNewShow.com where's the live link we'll do that another day year 5 yeah all right, Sarah can you do the powered by you let me know I'm ready okay, here we go 3, 2, DailyTechNewShow is powered by you to find out more, head to DailyTechNewShow.com slash support this is the DailyTech news for Monday, January 8, 2018 from Las Vegas Convention Center in Las Vegas, Nevada I'm Tom Merritt Sarah Lane, nice and cozy in our little broadcast tower everybody on the show today is from the same place we're actually in unincorporated Clark County that's cracks, we're not in Las Vegas Peter Wells is here as well from Sydney Morning Herald, how's it going, Peter I'm very well, Thomas, how are you and how are your feet wait, I'm not supposed to ask that we have an email about that we're actually gonna get to that later on the show Paul Spain, how are you a host of the New Zealand tech podcast in Z, in Z depends where you're from yep, that's good to be here, always fun being at CES excellent, our producer Roger Chang is making all this happen over there in the corner thank you Roger hello I'm behind them all right, let's start with a view tech things you should know Google announced it will combine Android Pay and Google Wallet into a single service called Google Pay, payment info saved to your Google account will be available in any Google services including YouTube and Android Apple released iOS 11.2.2 and a supplemental update to macOS high Sierra 10.13.2 with Safari and WebKit mitigations for the specter chip vulnerability, so now they have mitigations for Meltdown and Spectre GoPro expects lower fourth quarter revenue due to weaker demand for its cameras and drones over the holidays and actually plans to exit the drone business all together and cut more than 250 jobs GoPro plans to sell the existing Karma drone inventory as part of a restructure the company also cut the price of its latest hero 6 camera from $400 from $500 rather to $400 GoPro founder and CEO Nick Woodman told CNBC Monday he was open to selling the company and CNBC reports that GoPro has hired JP Morgan to explore some options former Google employees James Daymore and David Gudeman are suing Google for unfairly discriminating against them based on their race and political views Daymore was fired in August after posting women in engineering to an internal message board Apple shareholders Jane Pajana partners rather and California state teachers retirement system sent a letter to Apple January 6th asking the company to create ways for parents to restrict children's access to their mobile phones iPhones in particular and study the effects of heavy phone usage on mental health sources tell TechCrunch the Telegram plans to launch its own blockchain platform and native cryptocurrency for payments within the Telegram Open Network. Telegram users could bypass remittance fees with sending funds across international borders move sums of money privately and deliver micro payments that bypass credit card fees. Facebook has reached a deal with Sony for music streaming. The company previously reached a deal with Universal leaving Warner as the only remaining of the three major music labels to sign on. Facebook is also shutting down M its messenger based virtual assistant that combined human operators with AI. The last day of service for M is January 19th. Goodbye M. Bye M. And PowerMAT has joined the wireless power consortium which developed the Qi standard. PowerMAT developed the PMA air fuel standard the major alternative to Qi. PowerMAT will contribute technology to the standard and maintain backwards compatibility with Qi. Apple signed on to Qi last year and PowerMAT cited this in its statement on the matter. And that all is the non-CES news. How about that? Kind of a big day for non-CES news. Here are even more CES news. Some more top stories. AMD and Intel announced the 8th generation Intel core processor with Radeon RX Vega-M graphics. It's the Kaby Lake R chip with a Radeon RX Vega-MGH or RX Vega-MGL GPU that's GH non-GH. Connected to 4GB of HBM-2 VRAM. Intel is launching 5 versions with the inclusion of AMD graphics noted by G at the end of the year. R-CPUs will have the Intel HD graphics 630 integrated chip still in there even though they have the Vega which can be used for low power needs. A new NUC with the chip should be available this spring. Now we've got some other AMD announcements I want to let people know about but this was the big one. Everybody's been waiting for this discreet AMD Intel combo here. What do you guys think of it? I think this is a pretty cool tie up. I mean we see more and more of these across the tech industry especially with the bigger players that have got their fingers in lots of different pies and they seem reasonably comfortable to partner up and work together. And look you know in terms of getting a more powerful machine that doesn't use too much battery and it's all incorporated and this makes a lot of sense and I think probably going to be good value as well. I think it's also just the perfect chip for Apple's suite of laptop computers. They've generally used Radeon chips for graphics processors with Intel chips as well so this is the first time I don't know it looks like a chip that could very easily slip into one of these MacBook Pros because of course MacBook Pros have never had the greatest graphics capabilities in terms of gaming which is what people want. It is what that is meant for I don't get my gut feeling this is not based on anything in particular that Apple will go for this for some reason I don't know why. I guess only in the 15 inches do they tend to have that option of the better graphics. HP, Asus and Acer all plan to bring Amazon voice services to their Windows PCs this year. Acer will roll out to select Aspire notebooks and all-in-wanners. HP will add it to the Pavilion Waves desktop which doubles as an audio speaker and Asus will bring it to select 2018 ZenBook and VivoBook laptops as well as the Lyra Voice Wi-Fi system and Voice Assistant. Amazon and Microsoft have been working together to integrate AVS and Cortana. So maybe Microsoft won't like this maybe they will like this. I can't really tell because they are cooperating but this is Amazon moving even farther like on Windows laptops here just use Amazon instead. Yeah I think it's certainly going to make things harder for Cortana when we see Amazon just becoming so dominant with Alexa. The idea is that Cortana is good for things that she is not she who shall not be named is not and so maybe this is the ideal situation. Is this one of those the enemy of my enemy is my friend things where they don't want Google to be sneaking into laptops so yeah partner up with Amazon that seems to be the biggest competitor right now. Yeah and if you already have an Echo or something like that you know that could be good for you. Let's start off its e-Pallet autonomous concept electric car resembling a small shuttle not a space shuttle like you know bus shuttle. It has a modular interior that can be used for ride hailing cargo transport on-demand delivery even mobile hotel rooms was one of the use cases they suggested that it might be used for I'm not sure that I would use it for that the e-Pallet comes in different sizes as well so you could have a smaller one for something like pizza delivery a larger one for your luxury hotel room for the early 2020s and they also up to show it off the Tokyo Olympic Games which is also in 2020. Well I'm trying to understand how the mobile hotel room would work where would it be it still has to physically be somewhere I guess it just drives around town and you just sort of soothe to sleep maybe if you don't use it instead of you know jumping on a plane or you know a short short journey that is like a you know sleeper and a train so you just you know it picks you up at your door in San Francisco you wake up in the morning or the next hours later and you're in Los Angeles that's cool you know it's like Amtrak for the rest of us well is it for the rest of us it might not be cheap we're getting to the point where there's like these solutions where I go like what's the problem what is this for I'm really believed to the weirdest one of these you know the more mundane cargo transport ride hailing etc I think this is interesting the Toyota is starting to show off like hey here's some enterprise level stuff here's some transport problem stuff not just personal use cases this is the kind of thing that sometimes feels like it might be the first self-driving cars a lot of people ride in because companies that operate tours or shuttle systems might jump on this when they can't develop their own well it wouldn't be CES without a really big television that will never fit in any of our houses but hey I can't speak for you out there at home Samsung has a 146 inch 4k micro LED wall that's actually called the wall micro LED is similar to OLED it doesn't need a backlight so it's similar to how video billboards are made but with smaller LEDs so you can't see the pixels unless you're within a foot or so of the display Samsung says the wall is a consumer product and available for purchase sometime this year with more detail coming in the spring it's somehow modular which allows you to start with a few panels and then add them as you need a bigger and bigger television that's pretty cool no details released on how this actually works though so in concept it's cool anyway Samsung also has two 8k proof of concept models the Q9S which can upscale any video including standard f to look crisp in 8k okay I mean big TVs obviously always a standard right like you said but modular modular screens like that I've seen a couple of ideas like this along along the way but this is the the I don't know if it's the highest profile one but this is the one where it feels like okay I'd like some details on how you're really going to make this work but if they're doing it over there in their booth well and the idea that and I know we there's some question about how the modular interface is actually working but depending on hey I'm not even necessarily always going bigger with a TV maybe the TV for whatever reason you moved to a new place you've got wall space that's not quite right take a little bit off of that eBay those extra panels put them in storage or whatever you need to do could you make them into a separate TV in the other room well break it down and sort of spread them around when you can't all agree on what to watch it's like a worm and then it's two worms and they come over and you give them one panel there you go snap one off take it to holidays little one you can squeeze in your pocket it is fascinating though and the micro LED thing is you know that I don't know that that will become the next wave it seems like quantum dot and Samsung has quantum dot TVs that they're showing off as well is probably the bigger deal but this that is interesting D-Link ASUS are all showing off 802.11 AX Wi-Fi routers 802.11 AX is in early development it's not set for a standard release until 2019 from IEEE but when it comes it can do about 3.2 gigabits per second or even depending on how it's implemented theoretically go up from 10 to 10 to 14 gigabits per second all on wireless it can support more devices at once and it has uploaded download parity, helps with congestion anyway 802.11 AX is supposed to solve all your wireless ills the D-Link AX 11000 Ultra promises to get you those speeds up to 11 gigabits per second over Wi-Fi it sort of looks like a stealth bomber with 8 antennas ASUS has the RTAX 88U that promises 6 gigabits per second there are no devices that work with 802.11 AX yet so hence they're not saying they're going to ship these routers until the second half of 2018 after maybe a phone or two come out with support I think this is great it's good to see this next generation of Wi-Fi coming along I've done a bit of reading behind the scenes on how it works and it really seems to be a bit of a rethinking on the Wi-Fi that we have today and of course we're used to new generations coming out sort of ahead of them being ratified and that helps bring the prices down just people a chance to test them and get early access so any announcements like this I'm looking forward to because Wi-Fi is still not the best today right? What do you think Peter? I just kind of wish that they would get a marketing team to come up with some better names for this stuff than 802.11 AX AX is all of your problems AX is to do anything AX is to do anything see you just need to work right there just start flashing the move on thing No you're right I mean it's not a fancy name but hey it's like all of these things whenever you're like 802.11 was the same way at 1.802.11 AC was the same play it's more than you need probably more than your internet service can deliver eventually it will come The drill of the CES booth being put together is telling us that we are done to get all tech headlines each day in about 5 minutes subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com We should have mentioned this the day before the show floor officially opened so people are literally putting together booths right around us so that's just how it goes Now we got a couple of the big press conferences already happening HTC is happening right now Samsung is going to happen right after we're done Sony's tonight but Nvidia had theirs yesterday and announced a couple of things of interest that we're going to talk about here one is a hardware initiative with Acer, ASUS and HP called the BFGD which I'm sure they're hoping people will misinterpret what it stands for but it actually stands for big format gaming displays it uses Nvidia G-Sync on a 65 inch 4K screen with 120Hz to give you HDR gaming terra-free. It's got shield platform built in Google assistant built in full direct day backlight 1000 nit peak luminance and DCI p3 color gamut to go on sale this summer so it's it could theoretically be a stand alone with shield built in because you can do some gaming right from the actual television but the idea is you could also pair it up with your computer and get the best of both worlds does this capture anyone's imagination here? I definitely want one. I don't think I could afford one or even fit one into the house so yeah it does look very very cool. I love saying I think gaming PCs are going to be pretty huge at CES this year I think just because it seems to be the last profitable area of PC gaming the PC market it's one of those areas where you've got your alienwares and companies like that that can actually charge a premium and people will pay that premium because there are a lot of nerds our age now who used to build their own systems don't have time for it anymore but do have a lot of money that they can throw on one of those gaming PCs and feels like a new product category to have not just a smart TV which is what this is with the shield built in but a smart capable gaming PC because paired with the GeForce streaming service or the shield version of the GeForce streaming service you can just play games within the television and of course they also expanded the beta test of the GeForce now streaming service that was the one they announced last year CES so starting this week beta users of the Mac client will be able to install and run the Windows app so you can have that on your PC and hook it up to the BFGD and do all kinds of crazy things What's interesting is that for the longest time real quick is that display technology has either been driven solely on a PC platform or consumer electronics with HDTV you kind of see kind of it slowly melding together I mean with HDTV it was supposed to do that already but no PC settled on the 16 by 10 aspect ratio while HDTV settled on the 16 by 9 and so there were some similarities you could use both but they weren't quite the exact same display well and I sorry I thought you were finished oh no no good because all I was going to add was we used to think well I don't know if I want my smart TV built into the TV I want a separate one and a lot of people still think that but smart TVs starting to sell well I don't know yeah I mean I was certainly one of those that thought the idea of smarts in the TV was not very smart but look I've got a smart TV now that's probably three years or so old and we still you know utilize that interface as well as the other things that applied into it and if you offload a lot of this stuff to the internet like with the GeForce Now or the Shield Service you don't need all the the guts in the TV to be all that it's like a thin bunch and NVIDIA also announced the autonomous driving Xavier system on a chip shipping to select customers there are two new Pegasus software platforms running on Xavier Drive IX interpret sensor data for users so like facial recognition, gaze tracking to change the environment so if you're actually driving you can tell if you're nodding off to sleep and wake you up stuff like that know where you're paying attention on the road also it could provide certain benefits to you even if you're just a passenger in a self-driving car Drive AR is where it really gets fun that's the augmented reality interface you can put up road conditions of interest on the windshield on the screen for you and it can provide entertainment if you're a passenger as well the Pegasus motherboard now packs two Xavier socks and two GPUs and a package the size of a license plate used to have to fit in the trunk so it's getting smaller they've got about 320 partners, VW is going to build on Drive IX, VW ID Buzz Electric Car will feature that Baidu and CarMaker ZF will use NVIDIA for Baidu's Apollo project that's their self-driving car and Uber has been using NVIDIA hardware in its AI systems NVIDIA is also collaborating with Aurora which is the former Google self-driving guy Chris Ermson's company on the self-driving platform so NVIDIA is certainly leading the way empowering autonomous cars yeah yeah this was actually the story of the year for me last year just because I know nothing about cars so I found it very fascinating to really deep dive into that car hall I think it's the north hall and really find out kind of the brains behind these new services and yeah NVIDIA just seems to have really grabbed that market and kind of by mistake but by accident that they didn't really understand that their GPUs were the ones being used in all of these manufacturing these car manufacturers and once they discovered that they went hard on it they seized the opportunity I love the idea of the Drive AR concept you imagine turning all of the glass within your car into augmented reality screens that could be kind of cool I mean if you've got a level 5 self-driving car taking care of the driving you can turn all those windows into video screens yeah I think Mercedes showed off a demo of that concept in the past but this is obviously the bits and pieces to make that work LG had its press conference bright and early this morning at 8am pacific time and speaking of smart LG's new branding for all of its smart products and services is called Think AI Think with a Q at the end of it and says there's three things that are great about it learn habits over time like a heating device or a cleaning device or car technology as it knows you its owner bringing AI to everyday products and then openness and working with other platforms one of the big other platforms being Google Assistant which is now going to be integrated into the new OLED displays I know Peter you were actually at the conference this morning what stuck out to you because we've got now a 65 inch LG rollable OLED display that was pretty cool just sort of a bigger version of what we had already seen a couple of years ago you impressed well actually the LG rollable display was from a company called LG display which is a technically a separate company to LG which is so strange but they always make that point it's part of the cable I think absolutely so they didn't have that on display this morning but they did talk I guess it was incredible how often they went back to Google Assistant and talking about how their platform is different to any of the other TV manufacturers out there because they are opening up their platform for everyone and they did mention Amazon Alexa once throughout the presentation and then not one of the examples they gave was about Amazon so it was interesting it was like yeah they're going to be there but look how awesome Google is and Google also had their own representative on stage as well so it was a decision that they made beforehand to just kind of put Google Assistant front and center new OLEDs also supporting also going to sport rather LG's new Elphin 9 processor the company says it's 35% faster in terms of both CPU and GPU and features 50% more memory and then of course support for 120 frames per second video and something they call 4K Cinema HDR which is optimized HDR for dynamic tone mapping and rollable, they showed the one that rolls up like a shade yes, I know do you want a rollable display that looks great, dynamic HDR why not do I have to pay for it though our car windows are videos now there's a slight challenge with all of these cool things they're a little bit pricey to start with but of course if we can find good relevant uses and they can go mass market then we can all have one a lot of emphasis too on robots at the LG press conference one was called Chloe it didn't do very well in the stage presentation our first big CES demo fail I was you know lots of jokes about this robot doesn't seem to like me very much but the idea is that people hopefully are more comfortable giving orders and getting information from something that resembles a robot that thinks and feels and is cute yeah, it was up on stage last year as well no information on this shipping I asked LG after the conference was over they still haven't mentioned it with shipping maybe they changed their mind after it played up on stage, who knows the InstaView ThinkQ it's hard because the queue is at the end it's hard to say if you thought smart refrigerators were a thing of the past Think No More has a 29 inch touch screen display that works as a hub for a lot of your other smart products at home and then the AI technology LG says we'll have proactive service meaning that instead of you having to call a technician if something's wrong that you don't know how to fix for an unknown issue in theory ThinkQ can detect the issue before it occurs and then send that info to a service center ahead of time and do your work for you now of course this would assume that it's always broken when the software says it is but assuming that it works properly I guess I could save you a few phone calls tell me what stands out to you the most I mean LG is underwhelming this year and part of the reason is they announced a lot of their coolest stuff last week and that's been a thing that they do at CES so I'm not surprised that people are looking at this and saying yeah no I heard about the robot but it's not really shipping you're rollable OLED TV can I buy one, when can I buy that that's kind of the feeling from LG right now we've got HTC doing their announcement right now HTC showcased the Vive Pro an updated PC powered virtual reality headset that adds a high res display 2880 by 1600 so that's a little bit better than previous 2160 by 1200 in fact a 74% increase in pixel density over the regular Vive which is now at 615 PPI and we also showcased a wireless adapter which will let user stream content wirelessly using Y-Gig so the headset would become truly untethered it'll have integrated headphones and dual mics HTC currently sells an add-on that brings the headphones to the current gen 5 but the Vive Pro will use Valve's updated Steam VR 2.0 tracking system as well which allows for more active tracking Vive Pro takes premium VR to a new level do you agree I guess no details on pricing or anything like that but yeah this is HTC's most successful product so of course they're going to lead with the new version of it but it seems like a spec update which is good adding the wireless capability is important because this is higher end than mostly what we see in terms of light VR type wearables so unless you want something big and chunky that idea of being able to have your PC drive it but not have to be carrying around a lead weight on your head makes a bit of sense that wireless adapter won't be releasing until this summer and there's no price on that either but again it's coming from HTC there have been third party adapters this one's coming out of HTC's own house rather than it's Vivex accelerator program so there you go with HTC let's finish with a lightning round of other CES stuff that we found interesting starting Peter with your favorite so far yeah I think so I mean it's a very small update but Osmo released a smartphone stabilizer the Osmo 2 which will be exclusively sold in Apple stores for $129 which is a very big price drop from the original Osmo which sold for $299 I love this little device and I've been meaning to buy one for a very long time so I'm going to run over to their booth straight away and play with it they've also released a Ronin S which is designed for mirrorless cameras as well so they're really getting into that whole space and yeah I just think it's some really really cool stuff nothing groundbreaking but very cool stuff as promised I promised this last week TCL announced its 6 series Roku TVs with the Roku TVs with the new Roku TV voice remote they have an AC Wi-Fi Ethernet and 3 HDMI 2.08 ports there's also the 5 series without the metal styling of the 6 TCL also announced the Roku Smart Sound Bar which can be paired to a TV or just be used as a standalone speaker so the Roku Smart devices from OEMs officially rolling out TCL had announced that they would have something at CES I haven't seen anything else yet and they weren't lying Sony announced 3 Xperia phones these were highly anticipated by a lot of folks the Xperia 5.2 inch 1080p XA2 with a 23 megapixel sensor 4K video and 120 frame per second slow-mo capability as well as the ability to shoot at an ISO of up to 1280 the XA2 Ultra has a 6 inch screen and 4 gigabytes of RAM has 2 front facing cameras for better selfies and the 5.5 inch but 720p Xperia L2 so it's a little bigger but a little less resolution is also coming out. All 3 phones have a rear-mounted fingerprint sensor which Sony had not done a fingerprint sensor before none of them have price or release actually they have done fingerprint raters but they've normally been on the side of the phone oh that's right they did do the side ones which I love the side ones well okay I love to get your opinion on this next one. Signal company with no vowels is a wristband slash watch strap product anyway from InnoModel lab which was actually spun out of Samsung's incubator South Korean startup allows you to use your finger as a phone receiver and the way it works is if I'm wearing this strap I pair it to a phone and I put my finger up to my ear I can hear callers just because the vibrations are traveling from my wrist down my finger and supposedly early reports say the audio wasn't like amazing but it's fun but it works so let's say Aya's actor and I were actually kind of laughing about this because I was like I don't want to do that that just seems like that's gonna hurt my hand and he said what if you're on a subway your phone somewhere in a bag you got your you know your strap on it's crowded you kind of do this because you really need to talk to somebody in a pinch kind of cool. Did you play with it last night at Unveiled? I did not get a chance to now. Yeah it kind of worked I mean I mean well it did work it sounded okay I felt very strange doing it though I want something wireless and my finger becomes a wire. Right yeah I mean at that point you're really just holding that strap up to your I mean it's maybe slightly more comfortable but it's not totally different right I think it's more comfortable than the wearables that we have today in terms of our ability to you know hold your watch up to speak into to unsolved. Alright. Hip air from Helite is an $800 belt with two airbags over the hips that auto-inflate within 0.2 seconds if it detects a fall to absorb 90% of the impact the problem is the people who need to wear this don't wear the current hip pads that you can get they're certainly not going to pay $800 to wear a belt that's going to turn into a big tire. I don't know BIM is a pretty rich I can say the selling price. It's very expensive it's a very expensive belt now hip replacement is also expensive. Well the biggest problem is that Helite isn't working with insurance companies yet so you've got to pay for this all out of pocket. Cosmetic. If you're on a fixed income then you're resided. Sure. Ring announced two versions of a stick up cam and ring beams LED lights for pathway stairway and spotlights they work with other ring devices to light up when triggered and then the ring alarm home security system will ship this spring. And Garmin announced the 4Runner 645 music which lets you save music to the smartwatch to play back 3.5 gigabytes of music they say it's about 500 songs over bluetooth you don't have to have your smartphone present you can play them right from the watch starts at $449 though but it is available now I'll give them credit for having a price and not even just a release date but you can buy it today. There's a bit of competition that's already doing something similar so I think they're probably a little bit behind the eight ball on this one. Yeah. GE is showing off a smart home hub with a 27 inch screen with two cameras and one no price yet but it's expected to be available in the second half of this year runs the Haller U Plus smartlight platform and works with other GE smart appliances. There's a little bit of a lock into an ecosystem there but I guess if you love everything GE makes a smart thing. I'll say it to replace your vent with it. So you have to really kind of rethink how you do everything in your kitchen because it's sort of in the hood replacement situation. Well thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show we got time for one email before we're out of here. So this one comes from James Smith he lives in Irvine, California hello James and he says I'm wearing my grand field man hat today. People talk a lot about how much better it is to cover CES from home rather than actually going there. The people who go complain about the crowds ain't got to walk everywhere seems like I don't know a topic for a journalism podcast but I just want to hear about the gadgets themselves. I don't care as much about how much walking all you journalists are doing to get to all the gadgets and I mean I kind of had to laugh when I first read this because I'm like well try to be here sometime and you're going to do a lot of walking but it's true when you're not here the whole spectacle is completely lost on you. And you want to know what the stuff is. That's the point of other people going. I know your feet hurt. Right. Now I get it James I get it. Yeah we can we get it so thanks for the reminder we will try to stick to the facts as much as possible. And I've got to say as someone who just a couple of years ago was sitting at home in Sydney Australia listening to people complain about CES and walking around as terrible as it gets sometimes I love every second of this ridiculous conference I love it today. There you go. Perfect. I will say as someone who's attended this event more than 13 times in their lifespan five is enough. We're trying to go out of a positive like you're still here Roger. I'm loving being back after a bright because I love you guys and I want to support you. Actually I have to say I was a little skeptical about coming back last year but I had a lot of fun doing it and then this year CEA has been great giving us this little booth here on the floor. Which has been fantastic so. You know and also real quick it also depends on how you approach it. I really like the way we're doing it this year and it's allowed us to do a lot more things that we wouldn't have been able to do like if we were attached to a larger media organization where you know we're set on specific beats. Well that's it. Time to say thanks to our folks. Paul Spain thank you for being here. Always fun. Let folks know where they can find what you're doing. PaulSpain.com that's where my updates are and the new project that I'm working on which is Disruption Playbook. It's all about innovation and disruption and how people and companies achieve it. Still a work in progress but there's a bit of information online there at disruptionplaybook.com. And Peter Wells my friend where can folks find what you're doing? Just head to the Twitters and search for Peter Wells that's the easiest way to follow me. Excellent. Thank you both for being here. Thanks everybody for watching and Sarah we will be able to meet some people in person tomorrow if they're in Las Vegas or unincorporated Clark County. That's correct. We're going to be at the level up Arcade and Bar which is inside the MGM Grand. Tuesday January 9th tomorrow 8 p.m. Pacific time. We'd love to see you there. Come say hi. Have a drink or non-alcoholic one whatever it's fine but yeah we want to meet as many of you as possible and get to know y'all so thanks in advance for coming to our little meetup. Yeah hope everybody is enjoying the coverage. We'll be back here tomorrow right? Yeah in fact same time same place we are like Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2130 UTC whether we're at CES or wherever we are in the world do this every day weekdays anyway at elvigigradio.com and diamondclub.tv. If you want to email us our website is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com see if I go out of order everything pulls apart and our website is dailytechnewshow.com back tomorrow with Allison Sharon and Patrick Norton is our guest talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network get more at frogpants.com Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program oh that's such a weird experience without the music yeah that's why I held my hand up yeah yeah yeah since like a few tech things you should know where I'm like in my mind I'm like and girl right oh yeah alright that was great loved it we got there more than I thought we would it did not feel as rushed as it could have we had time to talk but then every time I go we've been chatting for a while but we're on time you guys did a really good job like going through each one I know we had to skip a few things but it didn't feel like you cut any of the information short in order to get to move on so it was great I kind of got confused with some of the tabs because there are so many I have a small screen oh yeah yeah I'm going to leave the extra stuff we didn't get to in the show notes too so if anybody's curious what else did you lead for time and of course Rich may be using some of this in daily tech advice oh yeah and just one thing for the LG what was it the HDR one of the big announcements about that was up until now the OLED TVs have only ever supported Dolby HDR by adding HDR10 they will now support HDR from Xbox and PlayStation so yeah like the OLED was never a great gaming TV for that reason it is now not only the best TV to watch movies but also games so there you go well there you go yeah I'm just levelating up show titles yeah what do we call this so if you guys want to see this go to showbot.chatrealm.net top of the list we got just another pixel in the wall the uncanny X-Van another pixel in the wall stands for format that's what you were saying it's hip to be safe Samsung builds the wall tech in XS and CES is in XS LG is ready to roll LG rolling rolling rolling a Vive and well get it and alive and well get it daily format news show fingers on the pulse of new wearables um I've got too much distracting me here to really pick so I'll let you guys figure it out I'm gonna put CES 2018 colon and then whatever you decide um I like just another pixel in the wall gotta love this ridiculous conference I've always I've always been curious to know that someone who's like been at CES like since it was a much smaller trade show back in Chicago and earlier way back so tiny IOT internet of teases five more pixels for your face signal finger phone um and what do you think um I always like Pink Floyd references another pixel in the wall that's good I like it I like it that was wonderful they were all wonderful though wonderful they're all our favorites they're all our favorite but that one is just my special favorite fair enough alright I'll throw it in another part just to push it up so another pixel in the wall yes and I'm capitalizing crazy out here anyone who's never been to a trade show while they're still putting it up like a like a big like industry wide one there's so much activity outside there's a forklift people running around in their little go cart I'm I'm curious to listen later and see how much because it sounded so loud to me but maybe maybe not in the headphones it was not so bad yeah yeah me can hear it but it's not it's not yeah it wasn't like the forklift was right behind this which it was which is what are we who is a social media guy for recode posted a picture on Twitter just now in some casino that is not named that features the world's greatest hot sandwich something I need to discover I was really disappointed so the hill became the West Westgate there used to be a great lake kind of like a Jersey Mike sandwich place in there but it's not there anymore I need to know where it is Peter and Paul Ethan Kane in our chat room wanted to point out that you guys can use show about the TV if you're doing a live show if that's up that is very cool thank you yeah Roger I was at IFA I think you were there maybe I don't know but yeah they're set up there is nuts the day that they're setting up I think their occupational health and safety laws are slightly different than they are out here they have them oh no we have them but somehow mysteriously don't matter when something happens oh but so this oh I shouldn't talk I might get some of the trouble yeah I want to hear that story I'll tell it after the stream stops maybe I'll save it for the patrons save it for the live made up I think I might blow off what I'm supposed to be going to and come to that so we're not going to talk about our feet no we are going to talk about we have talked about forklifts I think that's fair forklifts are it might be something that's you know you wonder what that was sadly and Vegas has amazing food or unincorporated Clark County has amazing food I never remember enjoying eating here I never get excited about oh I want to go eat somewhere because everything's such a it's either really expensive or it's really hard to get into or it's faster well the problem that I have is that I don't I've never been to CES and like really had a lot of free time just because you're working and when you do that it's like you wait until you're half dead and you're like I'll eat anything so then you just eat garbage that's my problem I will say having been to a SEMA show which is the automotive like aftermarket parts guys in the same location the LVCC our editor who came with us actually went to school here and so she pointed out all the places to eat which is great because it was like track it wasn't wildly expensive it was still very good and it wasn't packed full of people well if you follow Mitzula on Twitter Mitzula is a Vegas native and he pointed out for people going to the DTS meet up tomorrow there's a bow place that's not far from the convention center that's because it's a bow place it's a bow it's a bow it's Chinese food you probably haven't heard oh you got a bun it's the way it's pronounced oh yeah no I wasn't claiming it you're saying bow I thought you were saying bowels that's why I said that's not what's up we're not trying to send you to a toilet I know one of the funny things called bow bow it just sounds like someone with a southern accent saying oil wheel you got the press release yeah I just got Samsung's press release oh yeah so what's up with Samsung we'll go into depth on tomorrow's show too but what are they saying there's just one press release so far they normally send out three or four and it's just all about their internet of the things being open LG did the same thing today they talked about how open they're I think LG's openness is a lot more open than Samsung's openness which is all about fixity hmm yeah but who knows maybe maybe they're getting smart things yeah smart things being in the platform he doesn't mean that they're finally getting smart it's about time they got smart yeah don't know about not including home or Amazon in their stuff LG's move is much smarter personally well they should at least give the options right so you can use Samsung's platform or you can use the others it's important to be agnostic I remember speaking to a Samsung person about two years ago who was talking about how they were going to stop reinventing things that Android gave them for free and so they were shutting down their photo service and they were shutting down their music service and now they heavily promote google music and google photos and I don't understand why it feels like that part of the organization wasn't talking to the big speed part of the organization the joy of the big multinationals indeed speaking of though I'm supposed to write an article about that very topic so I should probably bugger off I'll shut down the alright thanks everybody for watching we'll be back tomorrow bye