 What's up y'all, of course you already know someone defending John MacArthur Defending Grace Community Church. It was going to be the usual suspects. Well Here we are This young lady is a part of a group that I basically infamously called the mob these are one of the individuals that that were Responsible in slandering Eileen Gray defaming her Questioning whether or not her story was true regarding the abuse and just bottom line defending John MacArthur and grace to you and Grace Community Church. And so if you already been watching and been following the the stories regarding John MacArthur Grace Community Church Han Cho former elder at Grace Community Church Gave an exclusive story to Christianity today Outlying the years and years of Domestic abuse cases and situations involving Members at Grace Community Church and particularly with Eileen Gray He was asked to do an investigative Study on the situation and when he did it The elders at Grace Community Church including John MacArthur Dismissed it and basically gave him an ultimatum told him to either to to back down From his findings or to step down, but this young lady right here Has questions for past the show when she should be having questions for is John MacArthur and Phil Johnson and the rest at Grace Community Church and those who support In trying to cover up the abuse scandals that have been consistent and have been incessantly going on at that church, but Let's take a listen and I'll give commentary As this video progresses Moving on lastly we have Grace Community Church Where Pastor John MacArthur is the senior pastor What has happened this time around well, we have home show Home show is the former elder at Grace Community Church. He was there from 2014 till April of 2022 according to Hong shown He resigned his position as an elder because of his convictions and he was not Stop right there. It wasn't because of his convictions is because of the canon of scripture my sister It was because of sin That's what it was because of The word of God affected his convictions And he could not sit back and allow the cover-ups to continue on at Grace Community Church And this is why he decided to speak up and implore The elders including John MacArthur to make this situation right to do justice in quote with what was Elder Han chose advice and Admonition to the elders at Grace Community Church all 37 of them able to Agree on certain things with the elders with things that transpired there Why did they why didn't they agree is the question You would think if it was clear sin These men would be able to agree with the word of God says regarding how we are to treat people who have been falsely accused and Eileen Gray was absolutely beyond question Falsely accused so it wasn't just some mere disagreement that caused elder Cho to decide to leave It was because they refused to handle the situation biblically and to make right the things that they've done wrong years ago Before the Shepherds conference This is a big deal when it comes to the to the ministry at Grace Community Church He has come out and Spoke to Christianity today where Russell Moore is the chief editor What does that have to do with anything? So what I don't care what was Mickey Mouse? I don't care what was Russell Simmons. What does that have to do with the facts of this situation in the facts of this case? My sister, I mean and if y'all notice is when she makes these little name-dropping comments is to dismiss The the seriousness in the veracity of the of the statements that elder Cho has made that he himself Was aware of once it was brought to his attention these abuse allegations in actual Abuse cases that had occurred So it doesn't matter who's the chief editor of Christianity today What matters is is what is being said true? That's the question So I'm watching Russell more According to Hongchong Grace Community Church the elders mishandled Abuse cases and they mishandled the The gray situation we covered we covered that story before so what happened this happened now is 21 years ago there was a woman who was Disciplined and her husband according to the story. I mean, you know, they went to court. He was indicted right now He's in jail. There was abusing the children, but you know, this this stuff was already reported. I'm just giving you guys the highlights But according to Hongchong He won. Yeah, he's a lawyer by professional as well He was given the file to investigate This situation and he did and he gave the recommendations to the elders Grace Community Church has 40 or 38 elders according to Hongchong John MacArthur told him and I caught just forget it Well, do you believe that? Do you believe that's that what John MacArthur told him I? Think that's pretty significant. Don't you think? For man to tell an elder who was requested to investigate and then when he comes back with an investigative information and recommendations to Make right the things that they've done wrong MacArthur tells this man to just forget it or forget about it why if you ask someone to do a job or to Run a run do a task and then now they've done it and now they make the necessary findings and recommendations and then you Dismissing and ignore it. What does that say about your character? Not you meaning you sister, but you meaning John MacArthur and the elders say Grace Community Church because in that same report they dismissed Julie Roy's is a report and I know how you feel about Julie Roy's too But here's the question people like you and the mob y'all don't have you know I guess you don't have the desire to come up with individuals like me and others Who are winning the challenge and to go to bat for the facts of this case? Which is clear Eileen Gray was assaulted her children were assaulted and sexually assaulted other victims other members of Grace Community Church who have reported abuse domestic abuse and and so forth reported their cases Those were being dismissed overlooked Downplayed so is this something that you really consider to be an issue of importance or are you just trying to report information? just for clickbait I'm just Concern I have questions too Well, we were not there who said what way and when we do not don't we don't I do not know Okay, I'm just reporting to you what Christianity today has said so according to home show there's other women who Who has who have also come forward to him to tell him that Grace Community Church mishandled their abuse situation in their marriages Okay, so According to him. He wants Grace Community Church to do something about this situation Don't you want Grace Community Church to do something about the situation? Berean babes, that's that's the name she goes by But how can you be a barin if you're not willing to check the facts and hold faster that which is true But I digress because your name is very misleading been watching your work Particularly garden regarding this situation here, but I guess my question to you is is you know Do you do you really believe that these women are lying I? Mean dude, would you honestly? stand in front of these people and Dismiss what they've said because you're defending John MacArthur. I Mean, I'm just I'm just curious because I have yet to hear people like you April Chapman Michael Williams Ricky Gantz Dear world Christian Jason Whitaker Ricky Caldwell, you know the mob When are you guys want to come forward and an apologize for making these false accusations against Julie Royce against Eileen Gray and others who stood in defense of this woman in her in her character Once the facts of this case were made known That that is really the question that I have for you because it seems to me that you are still defending Those who are guilty instead of defending those who are innocent All right And I leave that to you you guys you can you know make your conclusions and everything if most stuff comes about it We'll be sure to report it. John MacArthur is a big deal. Grace community is a big church We're not gonna leave no stone unturned But these are the questions now you kind of have been leaving stones unturned. Yeah, you kind of have Because the the facts are clear So when are you gonna dress these stones that you refuse to turn over that I do pose that I do have for elder home show One is an elder So if he's saying something that happened that took place during the elder meetings this that on the 30 Well, we just cannot dismiss it But we also want to hear the other side What the other elders said? We then why don't you ask them because we want to hear their side to they don't want to take they don't want to talk So you're not gonna hear the other side So let's just let's just kill that you're not gonna hear the other side The other side has already made clear what they're not gonna do and that is say nothing Phil Johnson has made it clear that they have nothing to say The the church grace community church the elder the grace community church already and rendered a statement saying they're not gonna respond to any Online quote-unquote attacks and and things of that nature. So you're not gonna get anything Nothing We all want answers, but they're not winning the given even people like John Harris who would who also said on record That'll be nice if they were to give a statement Even last year they gave superficial surfacey statements regarding the the accusations and and allegations and abuse of Eileen Gray, which was true The woman had nothing to lie about she had police reports. She had documented evidence for years So now You you wanted to hear the quote-unquote other side the other side have already spoken by their silence and dismissal and deflection all these things transpired before Elder Joe was an elder so things took place before he was a member at the grace community church That's a fact and number two Elder Joe was a grace community church from 2014 to 2022 Why did he resign in 2022? Why didn't he resign between? Why didn't he resign in 2014? What about 2015? What about 2016? What about 2017? What about 2018? What about 2019? What about 2020? Why did he took him this long if he knew that this was not good that the elders aggressive in exchange he did I'm glad you asked a question because you just answered your own question first of all He said he wasn't there when all these things happen, but when he was there, I Don't know. Maybe possibly Based on what he said He couldn't sit back and let this go on any longer So at least the man came forward sister At least he spoke up and spoke out in defense of these people these women these children these families I Give the I give the brother props on that But you can't say that this man is wrong For doing what he did and saying what he said now because at least he's doing it But he was not an elder when all of this stuff was going on You just said that So you can't fault him for something that he had no knowledge of and then now once he is now Dealing with the situation and has been tasked and asked to do and investigate these cases particularly the Eileen Gray case He did it. They didn't like the findings He Decided to resign because they gave him an ultimatum. Those are the facts is this in the is in the report So, please don't make this seem like this brother is wrong for Finally coming out at least he's coming out and there will be other men that would that would be coming out If they were not afraid of the consequences and they were not afraid of having their lives destroyed So I get it brother props for that, but where's the rest of these other men? Why aren't they coming forward? Why aren't they speaking out? Why isn't John MacArthur speaking out? Why don't you have questions for MacArthur? That's what I want to know. Why are you having questions for Joe, but you don't have questions for MacArthur? I'll wait another question Why are the women Going to elder Joe now? Why didn't they go to elder Joe when he was at Grace Community Church? Because he came forward and after he left the church other women decided to come to him After he investigated the Eileen Gray case is it's pretty clear sisters. It's in the report And he also said about God's providence Because you do believe in God's providence, right? I mean you being reformed like I am we believe in God's sovereignty And God's providence always just when it's convenient for us. I don't know just asking But he say it was he believes it was God's providence that after he left Grace Community Church after he decided to resign because he could not stay there and Allow them to cover up the abuse and cover up sin God and his providence and his sovereignty he allowed these other people to Connect and get in contact with him and that's why Those people came forward another question Elder Joe is a lawyer. He knows how the system works If this information has been brought to him Is him going to Christianity today to give them this news this exclusive? Is that the right place for these women to get the help? Yeah, it's not a sin It's not a sin. They were told not to report it to the police. It's in the report system They were discouraged for holding these people accountable these men their husbands accountable It's in the report So it seems to me you keep putting the the the burden on the The ones that have been offended and been violated instead of the ones who've been victimizing and doing the violating They went to Christianity today or particularly elder Joe went to Christianity today to tell his story after after several attempts for elder Joe to implore and to exhort and admonish the elders at Grace Community Church including John MacArthur to make it right and he didn't and so actually Elder Joe was on biblical grounds and biblical standing He went to a Christian organization he didn't go to TMZ. He went to Christianity today He didn't go to entertainment tonight He didn't go to Jimmy Fallon He didn't go to Jimmy Kimmel He went to Christianity today to deal with a Christian issue that was being covered up by a Christian church That's why Why hasn't Elder Joe go and report Grace Community Church to the proper authorities? And what are the poor the proper authorities? Who are the proper authorities? He did his part and He said in the report that Depending on how they handle this this article handle this Exclusive will determine whether or not how far it goes with him. He said that in there in his in his statement. Actually his Facebook post All you have to do is look at it. Yeah, it's right there You don't want charges to be brought against the Grace Community Church sister come on stop it you don't you don't Since last year y'all have been attacking Eileen Gray have been attacking other individuals that want to hold MacArthur and the elders at Grace Community Church responsible So let's let's kill the the Sanctimonious attitude and acting as though that you you want justice for for these women Because if you did you would not have been responding the way you have been in Defensive a man who put a woman out of the church and you had the temerity and the audacity in this video to say that That had they known differently they would have done they would have handed her differently No, they had enough information to know that you don't put a person out of the church who did nothing wrong You put people out of the church who refused to repent So her refusing to take back her abusive her abusive husband is not sin on her part That's not how we do church discipline and you definitely should know that Grace the elders at Grace Community Church against John MacArthur himself So that he can go to the court of law and be convicted if he's found a guilty and if he's found innocent be exonerated You're I know he's not innocent You're I know he's not innocent Everybody in mama know that John MacArthur in Grace Community Church is not innocent because the facts are clear There's been cover-up and this was just on the abuse. We're not even gonna talk about finances It was just dealing with the abuse cases here John MacArthur is guilty He knows he's guilty. That's why he refused to respond because he has his men. He has his flunkies He has his yes men covering for him doing his dirty work i.e Justin Peters i.e. Phil Johnson and The like That's why so MacArthur's not gonna be convicted He didn't do anything Other than not handle these men who were doing wrong and sinning against their wives That's the sin So you you're asking the wrong questions here That is not what the elder Joe has done. There was no police report that elder Joe has filed Why would elder Joe need to file a police report? Do you understand how the law works? He can't make he can't make victims or make those who have been Who have been made victims or violated file anything? But he went through the proper channels he's a lawyer so he knows what he's supposed to do him and six other Lawyers I believe in the report that is stated So he went to the proper challenge. He went to the proper steps Now Could have been done soon as far as him, you know reporting it. Yeah, it could have been But God in the sovereign providence a lot is to come forward now And he's he took the the biblical and appropriate steps to hold these men responsible to hold grace community church responsible And I would think that's what you would want right maybe not At least up to this point Those are the questions that I pause ladies and gentlemen Now think that elder Joe has said We the other the men who are involved in these abuse of these women they also have a story Anybody an accuser has a right to fence to to face their cues. Well, that's I'm glad you said that yeah The accused it does have right to face the accused when they want to face them See the Bible says in Proverbs 28 one says that the wicked flee when no one pursues But the righteous are bold as a lion That's what the Bible says Yeah, the accused has the right to face their accuser if they're bold enough to face them those who have those who have Done the accusing have no problem facing the accused It's the accused that have the huge problem facing the accuser so maybe you need it either you need to you know Encourage John MacArthur once he if the Lord gets him out of his sick bed doesn't look like it It's very promising at this point, and I'm not throwing any shade. I'm just stating the facts Or maybe you can ask Phil Johnson once he gets better Excellent. Why don't why don't they why don't they face their accusers? Phil Johnson had opportunity he had ample opportunity to face the accuser Julie Royce on social media because you know Yeah, Phil Johnson is there's notorious for clapping back at people on on Twitter So Where is this case? Why hasn't he come forward and and defend I mean again, you're you're saying that the The the accuser the accused has a right to stand before the accuser what tell me to come on up We're out here waiting been waiting It's them that's holding up this whole process of giving their quote-unquote side Okay, and it's biblical and that's what happened in the code of law So these men who are doing these Abuses of these women we want them to be brought to justice and to be punished accordingly So these women have come forward they've had they've gone to Tutu I hope that it will show has advised us women to go and report to the proper authorities Not to jury Royce. I know to Christianity today. Why would you think he would not do that? Have you read the report? I Mean really have you read the report my sister because it seems like you haven't matter of fact several women have gone to the authorities and again the elders at Grace Community Church dissuaded and discouraged these women from going to the authorities and would charge them with being unforgiving if they did Why don't you ask Carrie Hardy? Why don't you ask Bill Shannon? Why don't you ask these men? Ask them. Why are they? Stopping these women from going to the authorities. You're asking the wrong people the wrong questions When are you gonna do a video asking questions to Bill Shannon? to John MacArthur to Phil Johnson to Carrie Hardy to Todd Freel to Justin Peters Why don't you ask those men those questions But to the proper authorities and yes, if they want to go and report to the newspaper That's a fair game But we want these women to get the help that they need and they're not gonna get the help They need a jury Royce or a Christianity today for that matter and how do you know that? Actually as a result of these women particularly Eileen Gray sharing her story This this basically created a snowball effect of other women coming forward See you you don't you don't decide how a person gets help. See God He uses means to help and to menace it to his people and it was far too long And it was long overdue that these women were to get the help that they needed And so praise God for Christianity today praise God for people like elder Joe Praise God for people like Eileen Gray They got allowed this situation to happen for her to be able to help other women get out of the situations and abuses that they're in So please don't try to tell people how they are to get the help that they need if you have not gone through it Yourself and even if you have and you chose to deal with it your way. That's your way, but it's not the way Not only that According to the gray situation he went to court and The jury of his peers of that gentleman found him to be guilty and right now. He's still in prison So according to the justice system the justice system took place and the guy is paying For his price. They're conflicting evidences about this issue and stories about this issue The fact of the matter is even gray herself the lady in gray herself also abuses children She did not sexually abuse him Spanking the children is not considered as abuse. She did not she did not brutally assault brutally beat her children like David Gray did so please get the facts straight on that don't don't don't do that Don't don't don't do that and anything that she's done She's repenting and made right for but hers was not incessant hers was not something that she was doing and and causing intentional Harm to a child where she had to go to go to go to go to court And have her rights taken away as a parent let alone go to jail and have her rights taken away from her and her Freedom's taken away from her as a parent. So get the facts straight, please. Please get the facts straight Needless to say she was disciplined ladies and gentlemen, church discipline is a church ordinance According to Grace Community Church the information that they had at the time did warrant church discipline What information did they have at the time that wanted this woman to be put out of the church? Marie and babes, please tell me What information did this church have to put Eileen gray out her refusal to take back her unrepentant abusive husband that was grounds You telling me that was biblical grounds For John MacArthur To put this woman out of the church Please tell me you have more information than that please Please don't tell me you're telling these people in this video that John MacArthur was biblically justified of putting an abused Woman out of a church where she should have been protected and covered instead of putting the abuser out Please tell me you have more information or more sense than that please Please tell me you're not saying this with a straight face that this woman received the justice Due to her because she refused to take back an abuser You're telling me that that was biblical church discipline that justice was met out to her fairly That's what you're telling me Please stop the foolishness Because that is not biblical church. This is that is an abuse of Biblical church discipline David Gray should have been put out not Eileen Stop it If they had the information they have now would they have discipline that lady the answer would be no The answer is yeah, they had the information and they still chose To handle this woman as though she was in Senate Which is why Elder Cho told the elders and John MacArthur to make this right and they refused even to this day They refuse so let me ask you this question, but rain babes now that they have the information Now that they have the facts that this woman was not wrong and that David Gray was wrong Why haven't they come forward? Why haven't they apologize? Why haven't they asked this woman for forgiveness? Why have they not publicly made right what they have done wrong? Why? And why aren't you asking them that question? I mean the arrogance of you It is sickening for people like yourself acting as though you are speaking Truthfully and that you are really concerned about people that are going through abuse and being hurt by leadership that they're supposed to be led by in the things of God supposed to be Shepherded and fed and protected you're sitting here and after thing is though You really care and you really don't and it shows in your response and your attitude and your answers to this situation Let's not forget that the church The breast community church is not part. It's not part of an SBC where they have to report the things to the To the conversion or whatever is a standalone independent church So so because you are an autonomous church that means you have autonomy to treat people any kind of way you want Is that what you're saying? I hope that's not what you're saying Yeah churches are Autonomous meaning that we don't report to and like like the Catholic Church We don't report to a pope although people consider John McGarth of the evangelical pope evangelical pope But I digress with that point, but no churches don't report to a main church But that does not mean that churches that are autonomous have the right to treat or to do Whatever they want to do to its congregants to its members as They will because the standard of what God wants his church to run is in his word It's not what MacArthur is not with you and it's not what me It's a big church. It's a mega church. Okay biblical counseling is not the same as counseling that people get out there Whenever people have struggles within a marriage when they go to biblical counseling ladies and gentlemen The first thing they're not going to hear they're not going to hear like, you know what you need to divorce That's not gonna be the thing that here I took biblical counseling and I can tell you that people if somebody does not know the scripture Who does not go does not know God they wouldn't understand it because they are operating under biblical principles Where the consideration is at the table forgiveness is at the table Overlooking the wrong is at the table Okay Let's unpack there for a second ma'am those three things reconciliation forgiveness and Forgiveness we said forgiveness reconciliation. Let me rewind it back. Make sure I got your your full statement here Where the consideration is at the table Okay, okay. Yeah, so so overlooking the wrong. Let's talk about those three things Forgiveness reconciliation overlooking the wrong You can't have reconciliation without forgiveness and forgiveness must be based upon confession of sin and repentance Since you you went to biblical counseling and I have to you cannot have Reconciliation until first and foremost there is a confession of the offense and repentance Therefore now producing or opening the door to reconciliation Overlooking a sin or overlooking a fault depends on whether or not that sin is a great sin or a small sin the Bible says us clearly that He who overlooks a transgression seeks love so there there are certain things that we don't have to always Make a big issue out of but abuse domestic abuse verbal abuse Sexual abuse abuse of any kind is not a small issue. It is a big issue So we overlook faults that are minor and that is dependent upon the individual or individuals that are being affected by it So don't don't give this this this blanket statement regarding forgiveness because forgiveness is not based upon Whether or not the elders of your church tell you to forgive somebody No forgiveness is based upon whether or not that individual who sinned against me has acknowledged their sin Luke chapter 17 verse three to four And has repented of it the same way that God through Christ has has forgiven us through confessing our sins and turning from it And you can achieve all these things You are not supporting women to be abused You are not supporting children to be abused because the scriptures Speaks against those things. Yeah, the scripture speaks against it, but but grace doesn't You don't speak against abuse You don't speak against mistreatment of people if you tell them to go back to the abuser sister You need you need you need to touch on that a little bit more so All to say that we do not know the side of the story of this man who abuses women We do know the story The evidence and the facts are clear. We do know We know that grace. We know that macarthur. They refuse to answer. They refuse to respond They refuse to do it So it's not it's not the individual who has come forward That needs to say anything is those who have been charged with these Serious offenses and even crimes to come forward and they refuse to do so which makes them look guilty because they are We do not know the story of the elders at the gress community church Those things they need to come in the open should should they come to it? So if more stuff is coming we'll be here to bring it out to you guys these stories that is news And we have to remember right now. We're living in the time of church to movement We cannot overlook those things Everything is attributed to it's either racism or it's abuse or it's this that it's the third Last question that I have for the show Would he want the things that he did 20 years ago? somebody to come in today and demand Uh Compensation or apology or this that and the third ladies and gentlemen I don't know how to wonder things I did 10 years ago to be counted on me now Ma'am, you don't know anything about biblical counseling You know nothing about sin and repentance Because what are we going to do when we stand before God? You know second Corinthians chapter 5 verse 10 where we all shall stand before the judgment seat of christ That each one of us were given account for the things we've done in our body whether good or bad sin does not have An expiration date until or unless it has been confessed and repented of Do you do you not read psalm 32? Have you not read what david himself said when I kept silent about my sin? How it affected him physiologically? How it affected him psychologically? And the bible says in psalm 32 that he until he confessed his sin god was dealing with him He said but when I confessed my sin then my vitality returned Then he started feeling healing and and wholeness again Doesn't matter if it was 10 years ago 10 minutes ago 10 decades ago doesn't matter Sin is covered when sin has been addressed and dealt with Please stop giving people this this this Wrong and erroneous doctrine That because you did something 20 30 years ago And you refuse to repent of it and confess it is being wrong that that's that it doesn't matter it does matter It definitely does matter It matters to god And it should matter to us if we've done wrong to people and we know and they know that we've done wrong And then we refuse to make it right How is that biblical christianity my sister? But you claim to Study biblical counseling Right I do see That is held a show whatever he's looking for asking for he is applying Biblical practices, but cultural practices According to him all these things that he's doing The lord has led him to be doing these things So he's just doing what the lord has commanded him to do Ladies and gentlemen, I will be a fool to stand in the way of god of what god is doing If what if what elder chow is doing Is what god is commanding him to do is what god is is leading him to do It will prevail it already is prevailing sister people have already come forward So I agree with you on that one will come to pass And nobody not even john mccatha himself can stand in the way of that Yeah, he's been trying to stand in the way of it and that's not been going too well for him, but he's been trying Him and his ilk have been trying But if what elder chow is doing is not of the lord Is not of the lord It will also come to pass Yeah, but what he is doing is of the lord because he's making it right I mean, this is why he he said it is in the article That he he couldn't just forget it Quoting john mccarthur He couldn't just forget it He was advised to sin And he said he couldn't do that So this this this will continue on god is definitely by his grace with elder chow But he's not with john mccarthur in grace community church leadership Just like those disciples, right? Uh when they were escorted Um one of the high priests is if what they're doing is not of god Will it shall come to pass if it is of the god we'll find ourselves fighting against what god is doing So all in all We want uh truth to come out restoration to take place forgiveness to take place And if there is anything that's not right to be made right In in the way that honors god not in the way that pleases the culture So all right ladies and gentlemen, let me know what you think about all these things If you ask me, I do not know we want to know more but uh, that is the story that's That that that has been reported but So That's pretty much what she has to say. Um I'll just I'll just say this and then I'll wrap this part up It is it's pretty clear based on the information that we do have and that we have received Um from elder chow and others Uh that these people have no reason to lie. They have not been lying. They have been telling the truth The owner is now it's on john mccarthur. It's on phil johnson. It's on the elders at grace community church I know for a fact that there are a lot of men at at grace community church that are elders that want to come for But they are afraid to do so Unfortunately, the fear of man is stronger than fear of god for some people And they would rather see people suffer than to see their own pockets suffer And that's unfortunate and that's sad. I want to close with this one quote I had shared it in an earlier live Uh today, but by the time you may see this would probably be a day or so later, but Uh regarding public accusations regarding public accusations The prince of preachers that we call um Charles virgin said this quote Standing as we do in a position which makes us choice targets for the devil and his allies our best course is to defend Our innocence by our silence and leave our reputation with god Yet, there are exceptions to this general rule when distinct Definite public charges are made against the man. He is bound. He said he is bound to answer them And answer them in the clearest and most in most open there we go in the most clearest and most open uh manner to decline all investigation Is in such a case practically to plead guilty And whatever may be the mode of putting it the general public ordinarily Are refusing to reply as proof of guilt under mere worry and annoyance It is by far the best to be all together passive But when the matter assumes more serious proportions and the accuser defies us to a defense We are bound to meet his charges with honest statements of fact In every instance counselors should be sought of the lord as to how to deal with slanderous tongues and in the issue Of and in the issue innocence will be vindicated and falsehood convicted So I just wanted to just read that portion because again There are times when we are to be silent. There are times we need to speak out and I believe this is a time for MacArthur and Grace community church the elders at grace community church to come forward and to speak out But they have refused to do so Which speaks to their guilt and not their innocence so again uh prayers to elder chow prayers to the um Call them now. They're they're actually conquerors Somebody had mentioned to me if I could start calling them not abuse survivors But abuse conquerors because that's what they are there more than conquerors through christ and I would totally agree with that But we need to pray for those who have gone through and experienced this type of treatment and abuse unfortunately by the hands of professing christians and have been mistreated by So-called christian leadership in these churches So let me know what you think in the comments below. Let me know what you think about the response that I made to baran babes Again, she's one of the members that I call the mob If you support these people, I would encourage you not to support them I would encourage you also to to admonish these people to repent and for them to treat this situation With the same Balance that they treat other people that they claim to admire Love and respect because again, we're supposed to be brothers and sisters in christ And the bible says unjust weights and measures are an abomination to the lord The bible says we're not to hold each other with an attitude of favoritism against the other Those things are sin And so we hold each other accountable according to the word of god and and let the chips fall where they may and trust god with the results So That's my thoughts. Let me know what your thoughts are in the comments below. I'm trying to see something