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I was born in Honolulu. I was born on that island. When I was three, my mother moved us to the big island in Tahilo and grew up over there, went to Tahilo High School. I always just kind of liked fighting, thought it was cool. I would ask my uncle, they would play racket ball. I'd be like, who's the toughest guy here? Is it you? Is it this guy? I was always into it and loved wrestling. I loved Rocky Balboa. I loved Hulk Hogan. I loved all that WWF. I loved all that stuff. Then I got into jujitsu. Some guy moved on my road and he did a couple of jujitsu lessons with Halve Gracie. Then he saw his kids walking around the road, walking home from school and stuff. He asked my dad, he was like, hey, have your kids come down and work out, do jujitsu with us and stuff. I was like, oh, it's a waste of my time. I'm already the toughest guy in the world. I was already always thinking I was tough. I was still a small kid, 16 or 17. Then my dad was like, just go down one time so this guy stops asking me. My dad was a judo black belt, so he was kind of glad the guy was asking, but he was just like, you know what? You don't want to do it. Just go down one time. I'll tell the guy you don't like it. Then I went down and wrestled around with the guy at the rec center over there. He choked me out and he unblocked me. I saw UFC and stuff, but I didn't care. I was just kind of more into boxing and different things. I just kind of thought, man, with this, I could kick everybody's butt in Hilo. You know what's funny? I have a friend that I went to high school with and he grew up in Hawaii. He used to tell me about the fighting culture in Hawaii where he'd say, oh yeah, if you have a problem with somebody, you could just fight it out and people will let you fight and whoever wins, there's respect there and nobody's trying to shoot each other or whatever. Is that true? Is there like a fighting kind of honor culture there and did that contribute to, I guess, the way you fight? Yeah, as soon as the fight would break out, always in high school, everybody would start yelling one on one, one on one, like no jumping in, you know, just and people would fight and stuff. And then when UFC came in, all that just kind of changed everything, right? Everybody started choking each other and all kinds of stuff. Do you remember your very first fight as a kid? Do you remember the very first one you got into? I went to, my uncle came to my Hall of Fame and I made sure to put him at the beginning and I said, I needed to talk about my uncle there because he's the one who told me, he said, go get your toys back right now. How old were you? How old were you? Oh, I was just a little kid. Yeah, I was just five or six and he's just like, go get your toys back. I go, oh, but he bit me and he goes, well, then you know what to do. Go get your toys back. I'm assuming you got your toys back. Now, when you did jiu-jitsu, you were like, you were the prodigy, right? You were the phenom. You entered into jiu-jitsu and at the time, no American had won a major jiu-jitsu tournament and you did it and you trained. I think in three years or something like that. Were you just a natural when you first started training or were you just obsessed with it and so you studied it all the time? I didn't realize. I didn't know what I was going to be when I grew up. I didn't know if I was going to be hanging down at the beach drinking beer like my older brother or what kind of things I'll be doing. So when I got into jiu-jitsu, I just, it was just something fun. I think before desire, before dedication, it just starts with love and I just loved what I was doing and I always wanted to be a tough guy. I loved watching Hulk Hogan, Rocky Balboa, all those things and just wanted to be somebody and people asked me, how you got into fighting and I'm like, well, I wanted to be on TV, but I couldn't sing. I couldn't do anything. This is the best thing I could do. It worked out for you. Yeah. So when you were training and when you did some of those first tournaments in Brazil, how did they react to this American that was kicking everybody's ass? Were they cool about it or were they very, were they mean? You know what? I came from a good, I had a good gym. A good team behind me was Andre Pedonaris. That's where Jose Aldo and Leo Santos and Shaolin and many other great jiu-jitsu athletes come out of that school. I think it was a good thing that I had a big group of people behind me while I was there and a bunch of Brazilians. They were pretty nice. Especially the group that I was from, they always supported me, always helped me out and everybody was always pretty nice and pretty respectful actually. One memory I have of one of your fights that I'll never get out of my head and I think it, because I almost feel like there's some fighters that are, you know, they're fighters and then there's fighters that are like, whether they get paid or not, this is what they're supposed to do. And there's something you, I don't remember who you fought, I can't remember off the top of my head, but at the end you won and you licked the blood off of your, you know what I'm talking about? You licked the blood off of your, the other guy's blood off your own glove. That right there, ladies and gentlemen, is the greatest lightweight in the history of the sport. And you were like, and I'm like, this guy, if this was a thousand years ago, you'd just be in the, he lives for this. Yeah. I mean, if it was 2000 years ago, you'd be in the Colosseum. This is what you were meant to meant to do. Did you know this about yourself? That when you get enough, how do you feel when you get in these fights? Do you become a different person? I always say, no, that wasn't me doing that. But no, I always, we always make a joke that I guess that was me. You know, we always would make different jokes because that was, that's what they would do in the old Hawaiian days. We'd hear the stories that the sacrifices would be long-legged fish. So they call them long-legged fish, but yeah, we just, that's when you're just, you're intense, you're into it, right? You're just in the moment. Now, were you ever scared? Did you ever enter a fight scared? Yeah, for sure. You're scared and nervous. I was talking to Adam a few times and the antidote for anxiety is confidence. You never got to worry about anxiety once you start being confident and, you know, just kind of remind yourself about what's going to happen. You can sit there all day, but no amount of anxiety is going to help anything. Just know what you're going to do, whether you're walking into a fight or walking into a business meeting or walking into anything. I imagine though it's got to be like, like anything else where some things you have a lot more confidence in others. Like, are there times, can you recall like certain fighters that you were like, ultra confident about? Like maybe because of their style or maybe whatever. And then other guys were, you're like, fuck, this is going to challenge everything I got in me. Yeah, I'm more nervous sometimes when you're overlooking the guy or not thinking about like, when you're nervous and like crying like, oh, I'm about to fight Matt Hughes and I'm actually in the back kind of tearing a little because I could get sent to the hospital or something. And then when you're not as worried as that, and then you're just kind of going out and then somebody, because anybody can kick your butt, right? At any moment, you know, anything can happen. So I think it's the ones you worry about the most is the best for you. Yeah. And then when you, when you get in there, right, like, you know, there's always that kind of first, especially with a very experienced fighter like you, there's always like that first minute of like posturing and feeling each other out. What's going through your brain in that time, in that moment? Yeah, like, I call it sometimes people say like, how is it when you're walking to the cage? I'm like, there's turbulence, but just like an airplane, you're not going to stand up and start screaming and there's turbulence. But yeah, you go, you kind of want to just get it on, get it going kind of even, it's the same thing as even when you're a kid and you're standing there on the soccer field and they're like, come on, start the game already. You know, it's kind of all feels the same. I guess you could say your first amateur fight could be this same feeling as your world championship fight. I mean, there's different stakes on the line, but nobody wants to get their butt kicked. And the worst thing about fighting is, right, I mean, there's different sports. I mean, a big wave could smash you and this and that, but the worst part is that guy's going to go around and tell everybody, kick your ass. You've had so, you've had so many great moments and fights. I want to know which ones, what stands, which ones stand out the most like for you? Geez, for sure, it's that first time I won the, I would say it's the first time I ever fought in the octagon, my first time walking in, because I wasn't just some street punk or just some troublemaker who thought he could fight. I actually put, went there and did it, put it on the line. And then when I beat Matt Hughes, the first time I won the belt, I think that was the last time. And that's when I think my prime was 25 years old. And that's, that's when I just really loved it, loved the whole thing. And so, I mean, your education is based on your appetite and, and that's, that's when I really enjoyed what I was doing. What's the, what was the most challenging fight for you? Was it, was it also that? Geez, I think it's, I think it's all, I, it's always comes back to that it's yourself is why and how you're feeling that day and how you're walking, because you have all these grand dreams of, okay, this, I'm going to get, do this fight with this guy on this day. And I'm going to feel so great when I get there. I'll be so ready. But when you get there, like, I didn't feel as good as I thought I was going to feel right now. Right. So it's kind of just psyching yourself up and keeping it getting into it. But all the guys are tough and all the guys, everybody feels the same strength. It doesn't matter what weight class or because everybody's just going at it, going after it. I've heard sometimes that even in the weigh-ins, you can kind of look into your opponent and you can see fear or you could see a bit hesitancy there. Did you ever have moments of that where like, Oh man, I got this. I have this over 100% all the time. You should be able to, if you're the real champion and you're in touch with yourself, you should be able to have him feel your presence the whole time you're anywhere near him. He can just know you're there and have to, because he can just feel it. That's how strong your aura is at that time. I saw in one of your, I guess, training montages, you did something that later I see other fighters do, but I think you're the first one that I saw do this. I'm sure you didn't invent this, but I saw you were running underwater holding like a big stone. What is that for? I'm assuming you're holding your breath and you're building stamina? What was that for? You know what's good about that one is because we sit out there in the middle of the ocean and run the rock. So when you do it, there was actually a pretty heavy rock. So by the time you pick it up, a lot of your anaerobic starts to go already. You already feel your muscles start burning. So then you start running and your lactic acid filling up and then kind of going up to the top and just staying out there, staying calm and then just keep going. It is a fun workout. It looks brutal. I would imagine it trains like you did not panic because you can't breathe lactic acids. You got to stay calm while you're working out. So it's probably got to be a similar feeling as being choked I would think, I was talking about it the other day, every workout, whether you're doing chest or running or boxing or everything, every workout is working your confidence. That's what you're actually really working, your confidence to do that motion, that nervous system motion or whatever it is. And I think that's just one more thing to work your confidence. How often did you fight somebody that you really wanted to punch in the fucking face? She's, even if I didn't want to punch them, then I'd try to make up some reason to get into it. There's got to be guys though. There's got to be guys that there's got to be, all the fights you've had, there's got to be some that you were really looking forward to punch them in the face. But there's all kinds of walks of life. There's like people who are assholes and no matter how much times they get their butt kicked, they're still the same guys. So you got to respect them too. You're like, man, you know what, you're just true. You're a true punk. It doesn't change them no matter what. Authentic. How about favorite people? Are there other athletes that you've become really good friends with through the fight game? Yeah, I would say Matt Hughes, Jens Paulver, I got Tange, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Michael Bisping. I mean, the list goes on and on forever. Oh, that's interesting. So I didn't know that you- Joe Stevenson. Yeah, a bunch. So a lot of guys you fought ended up being good friends? Yeah. I guess you share things. I mean, even sometimes when you're a kid, you get into it with somebody and later on in high school, you guys are friends later or whatever, you know? Yeah. You guys share a moment in time that just you two share. So a lot of respect there. Who hit you the hardest? Who punched you the hardest? The hardest. She's, you know, I think it had to be Matt, Matt or George, both when they told you on the ground and they start elbowing. I remember one time when I fought Matt, he was the second time after beating him and I kept running my mouth, talking in the media and this and that. And when he finally got me on the ground and he stood up and he threw his elbow down and it just missed me, hit the ground and I thought, oh my God, this guy wants to kill me for all this stuff I've been saying. Man, he, yeah, there's some of those two, because as far as if I ever got concussions or anything, it was from those guys. Yeah, man. It was from them. What about when you're training for fights? Were there things that you, were there mistakes that you made? I would imagine, I know a lot of people I've trained or worked with some of the biggest mistakes is that they over-train, they overdo it, getting ready. Did you ever encounter any challenges like that, getting ready for a fight? Oh man, I was a master of over-training and a master of under-training, trying to figure out which one is right and it just went so long. I mean, when I first started training, like right before the Jiu-Jitsu World Championships, I was there when CrossFit was, when they made the CrossFit in Santa Cruz, Greg Glassman, and he just had that little, little area right on the side. It was in Claudio Franco's Jiu-Jitsu Gym. They actually made a workout for, it was called like Fight Gone Bad or something like that. I didn't have to, I remember that. I trained at Claudio. That's where I got, that's where I did Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, yeah. So, so Fight Gone Bad, and then I remember I had to write something for him because somebody tried to take the Fight Gone Bad workout and he was like, no, we made it. This and that, I had to write a letter for him for court or something, but it is amazing watching, watching how, how big that, that, that went. But, but as far as the training, yeah, over-training because what would happen as a kid is, you have so much energy and then you're like, you meet, you got your, your own routine already from the Jiu-Jitsu day. So, I got what I do. Then I meet Frank Sharma and I'll be like, okay, let me add your routine to buy it. I need Tito Ortiz. Okay, let me add your, now I got three routines in one and I'm over-training every day, you know. That's gotta be one of the hardest things. Oh, yeah, speaking of that, I mean, you must have seen quite the evolution of the sport in general, you know, over the years and the way that they now train and like, what would you say were, were some of the biggest kind of epiphanies they've found in training, in, in preparing fighters for their fights? You know what, I don't know a really honest and honest question. I don't know how much further along they are. Like, I know their techniques are because they can kick all of their butts now, but, but I'm sure they're still making the same mistakes, I think. I think that's a, that's a tough one and different trainers and I mean, when you, I was talking about it the other day, because I get a chance to look from the side and I saw some people trying to put together a fight camp in Costa Mesa and I thought, what a big cluster F this whole thing is now, now that you're getting ready for a fight, which should be the most relaxed. Now you're bringing 10 people who don't know each other and trying to make them all work together and do all these things, you know, and, and it's, right? Yeah, a big cluster fight. Right? Think about it, right? How would anybody manage that, right? It seems like you, like they're trying to have their athletes learn way too many things at once instead of really highlighting their strengths. Do you think that that's something that, you know, you've seen too? Yes, I have, I have, I've seen that a lot and I, one coach I always hang out with, Jason Pirillo, he talks about that because I could be like telling a fight. I'm not a coach, right? I don't have any Jiu Jitsu world champions. I don't have any UFC champions. I really coach as much. I love to be a training partner and train with people in the gym, though. I love that stuff. But, you know, I kind of watch him and watch different coaches and it's like, true, you got to see what they start doing good while they're sparring. And then you start going, okay, that do that again, because if I go jump up and go, okay, now start punching him now, start kicking, you know, that's not what they do. That's not what they do. They do their own thing. It's interesting. Do you still train a lot in the GEE? I do. I do train in the GEE because I think it's great, almost like juggling for your brain to like grow brain cells type thing because there's only like so many moves without the GEE, but there's thousands of moves with the GEE. So makes you slow down too. Yeah, it's, it's, it's awesome. It's awesome. But now at this age, and being involved with the UFC gyms and everything, what really clicked to me was, was we're, we're in Honolulu at one of the gyms and a woman, older woman comes up to me and goes, hey, thank you for, for having this gym here. And I go, no, thank you for being here. And she goes, no, I really want to thank you because I gave back my anti-depression medicine. Wow. And, and that's when it hit me that because this was only working out was only for fighting for me my whole life. I've only thought about trying to fight with people. That's why I want to work out. And then I realized, no, that's, it's for your mental health. That's what this thing is. It's all about your mental health. You're in there, you're working your physical in, but this is, that's the whole thing. That's why you never want to stop. Yeah. And, and because I look at this today, I'm like, it's easy for me to go, oh, I did this for the last 20 years. I don't want to do this. I want to do something else. But no, it's for my mental health. Get back in there and go do it for fun. Feel a lot better later. Get my endorphins, get everything, smiling. I can actually walk around the gym and see people who just got there and see people who have the natural high. Like they're almost drunk where they are. They're having such a good time talking after the, after the workout. I can, I can totally see that difference. The people who just walked in are still in that trying to get out of that depression and all the other people are laughing, jumping up and down, joking around. So true. Talking about stopping, how hard was it for you to hang it up? Yeah, it is, it is hard. I mean, you always think about, because you, it's like, I've just been hanging out at the Ruka gym and I've just been giving out their, their young fighters fits and working out with them and stuff, you know what I mean? And you're just like, but, but you know, it's, it's about your hunger. It's about who wants it the most. And that's all it doesn't matter who's the best. It's about who wants it the most. And then that's when you got to know that your kids are more important or this is more important and, and other things. And then you just realized like, well, that's right. My kids, taking my kids to Disneyland is more important than, than walking around with my, my ankle can't work because I broke my leg last night in the fight or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm a big jiu-jitsu fan and I trained for years. And so I wanted, I wanted to ask you, because I consider you one of the best jiu-jitsu guys in MMA, but also just pure jiu-jitsu, phenomenal. Who are some of the best jiu-jitsu guys you've rolled with and who had the easiest time or who did you find could tap you out? Cause there's some guys out there that are just, you hear legends, right? You hear stories about them. Yeah. So the, um, of course, he helped teach me. He was amazing, unbelievable. Just, he's just a, just a, I kind of emulated my style after his, like when I first get into the UFC and just be ready to fight and kind of emulate it after my teacher at the time it was half Gracie. And then I went to work out with his cousin one day who's Higgan Machado and he really impressed me. It was unbelievable. He was huge, but he just, he didn't use any power. Just, just use all technique and just tap me out like a baby, played around with me. Then I remember when I got older one time, um, I was fighting Hanzo Gracie. And so I had Alan Góez come down and, and hang out. And so I did it. I did a training where I was like, okay, I'll use this Olympic wrestler and then you and I'll go back and forth. And during that training, Alan Góez tapped me out three times. So the next day I said, no, just me and you. And then he tapped me out three times again. And I go, master, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. He is so awesome. But, um, yeah, he's still around. I always still see him, but there's always, there's always new people coming up. I just can't imagine how good the people are now. Now watching the, the, the prime fighters now going, uh, how do you think a prime BJ would do? How do you think 20, you said 25 year old BJ? How do you think 25 year old BJ would do today in, in the UFC? Yeah, I would, I would make sure to learn everything I need to know to beat these guys. I would crush these guys. What, what things would you, what are the, what other things do you think you would add? Or would you, would you change anything? You know, uh, Jason Perillo, my old coach, he was, he was talking to a Russian, uh, thing yesterday and they were talking about that all the Russians were upset because he was saying that I'm the greatest lightweight, not Khabib and this and that. He was talking to them and, and then I was on the side and he was, he heard me say, and so I, I didn't know who he was talking to. I'm like 25 year old BJ panel kill, kill these guys. I asked them why, why he's only got the 155, not the 172. We all know why. Then I find out it's live over there. I'm like, oh, you know, but, but it is what it is, right? I mean, if he could get the 170, why wouldn't he? Why would it Khabib go get it if he could? Why wouldn't he go beat Usmin if he could? I think we all know why. Now, a lot of, a lot of fighters, uh, and a lot of athletes in general, after they stop their sport, they start to lose their identity. They sometimes go through depression, trying to find themselves again. Did you experience any of that? Not, you know what, I, as far as identity, I'm, I think I'm, I'm much more well known today, I think because the sport's growing so big. So more people know who I am or not now, you know, because of the television and stuff. But the identity that I lost was what do I do? You know, what do I do at no camp? What do I do in this time and trying to put all everything together, put all the pieces together from, right? Because I would go just hang out for a few months and then I'd go to fight camp for two or three months. And I had my year always set for the last 20 years. So now sitting around, I, I do miss, miss certain things and I trying to figure out how to replace them with different things. I mean, that stuff is real. Are you pouring yourself into any other athletes or are you kind of like, what does your training look like these days as well? Now I just train for my mental health and because I love, because I love it and I feel good in there, you know, feel good sparring out with the other kids. But I try to put other things like now doing these other thoughts and stuff with the UFC gym and my kids and just try to put other things in those, those areas. How old are your kids? 12 and nine. Are they jujitsu too? I'm trying to get them into jujitsu. So they, they like it here and there, but yeah, but it's kind of a, it's not too bad of a thing for me because I've been around jujitsu so much. It's not bad if they want to be at the soccer field or somewhere else, you know, because I've been around that so long, but you know, I guess. Hey, BJ, I want you to school me on the history of Ruka. I know that you're very close to them. I believe that you're a big part of what helped blow them up because before that, before you, I didn't know of Ruka. Obviously everybody rocks RBCA now. So do I school me on the history of that and how that happened with you? Okay. So Ruka, this guy, Pat Tenori, his name is Pat Tenori and he had a partner. His whose name was Conan Hayes, a professional surfer from the big island of Hawaii. So Pat saw me doing jujitsu at the Brent events center down here in Santa Clara. He thought I was Filipino, but then we saw that time we thought I was Filipino, but my dad's Irish and my mom's half native Hawaiian, half Korean. And so, but he thought I was Filipino. And then kind of had a connection. He just kept, um, he talked to me a few times and then he gave me a shirt actually that the back then it said jujitsu, we fight. It wasn't Ruka yet or whatever. And then he kind of made Ruka in his garage and it just kind of got bigger and he just made the coolest clothes, you know, just the coolest art and the different things. And he just had a great idea. And here we are together. And he was one of the first guys of the, any brands or whatever who kind of like did a sponsorship thing and kind of stuck it out because other brands were like tap out and all the different brands, but he was like a real brand that was kind of out there, like a quick silver type thing. Right. And he really supported the sport and he's a jujitsu black belt under Alan Góez. And yeah, so. So now can you share like what is your, are you still a sponsored athlete through them? Or do you have some sort of a partnership or stake in the company at all? Yeah, no, still a sponsored athlete to them. Okay. That's awesome. Oh, good deal. Now, now talk about you and UFC gyms. I know you have some gyms in Hawaii. How did that all get started? How did you end up working with them and starting some gyms out there? Yeah, so Dana Lorenzo came, came to us and talked to, talked to us about that they were going to do UFC gyms. And I, from, from day one, I was, I was on board. I thought it was a great idea. I wanted to be involved and, and we jumped in right away. And it took a little while, about a year maybe. And then, and then we started moving on construction. Adam came down and gave me a sledgehammer myself and let me smash the place down. Right? We did that. Yeah. And then it was the, the place where we put the gym is a legendary nightclub place that I used to frequent all the time. So it just was perfect at the gym. And the place was called Pipeline. Yeah, it was called Pipeline. And a nice little transition that that's actually the gym now. That's great. That's wild. Yeah. And now, you know, I know Hawaiians are very proud of, of their heritage. You're like a, you're like, I know you're a celebrity anywhere, but you're proud. Are you like a king over there? You must be like the biggest, you know, when you go over that, how do the people kind of big deal? Yeah. How are people with you in, in your, where you're from? Oh, everybody's very nice. Everybody's always very, always have nice things to say. And just, just, it's, it's good. It's good to see everybody. And, and it's good because where I am in Hilo, it's not really that many people. So we always say we're everybody's famous in Hilo because they're so, they're all always out the window, all of us, right? Waving at other people. But yeah, on, on, on the main island, the, the island with the city Honolulu, it is, it's good to go over there and see everybody and, and be an inspiration in whatever I can or do whatever I can. Speaking of people being nice and everybody is nice and I would be mad at myself if I didn't hear your full side of the story because I don't think you commented much on it. But they're not that long ago, you got into a bar fight and you could tell in the video that you were wanting nothing to do with it and then end up whooping the guy's ass afterwards. I want to know how that all transpired. Like how did that happen? Where were you at? Yeah. What was going through your head? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why the, the guy was my, my, my friends was sleeping at my house for weeks before that. But um, He was sleeping at your house? Yeah. Yeah. We all know each other. Oh, you know that. You know the dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We all know each other. Um, and then I don't know. I don't know if he got mad. He got jealous. I don't know if girls are giving me too much attention in the place or what. He just starts talking shit after, I mean, I'm sure there was drinking involved, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, just, I don't know. I don't think he thought. He obviously didn't think it through because the last person in the world. Right. Exactly. He's got to know, he's got to know your skill set. Um, you can, I can tell in the, the short clip that I've seen, you can tell your, your like, you can tell you don't want nothing to do. Like you're not, you don't want to put the guy down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's sad because he always wants to like be my friend now or whatever, right? But it's better we keep each other's distance because he, he was actually after that, he went to the police and tried to put a, um, restraining order. Yeah. And they were just like, what? He attacked him. You know what I mean? Wow. But does that, does that happen often, you know, being a professional fighter who's well known? Does that happen often that people want to test you? Yeah. Try to mess with you or is it more, or do you get more respect because of it? Yeah. No, no, you get it out of me. Everybody's nice. Everybody's nice. Just, yeah. Just every once in a while, a drunk friend wants to fight you. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's so crazy to me. So are you still based out of Hawaii? Yes, I am. Yeah. So you're not, you're never going to move out of there. You know, we were talking about maybe doing some different things or stay up in California to work with the UFC gym for a little bit out of the year because actually my, my kids are up here right now with their mother, their mother's married to someone else. So they're up here with that family. So it'd be nice for me to be around and just want to be around with my kids. Now, BG, are you, are you following the UFC closely? Do you watch all the UFC fights and you know all the fighters that are fighting right now or do you kind of like whatever? You know, my, my favorite ones that I know and, and, and I like and I want to see the big fights and stuff, but I can't, it's so big now, the sport. I just, I can't, I can't keep up. That's how I felt. I was a huge, I was a huge, back when, back when you were fighting, it was like, like, how often do we have a UFC fight? It was like once every few months, once every three months, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it was, you could follow almost every fighter were now, I mean, if there's so many names, I don't even know. So, so who are your favorite people to watch right now? My favorite to watch right now. Who's, who's in, but well, the last fight was Adesanya, right? Yeah. No, all of the champs, I always, I maybe not the bottom guys, I don't know, but I always know who the champs are at the top. So, Steepie, who's, who's at the 205 now? Isn't Steepie fighting? Yeah, it's that guy who just beat Adesanya. Um, Jan, Jan Blackaway. All right, right, right. But the last fight I got really excited about was John Jones versus Daniel Cormier, because that was like the two top guys, right? The two best guys and then John Jones won that one. But she's that's a couple years now, time flies. Yeah, yeah. Any, now you're also a fan of boxing. Did you have any, any favorite boxers throughout history that you used to like? Man, I remember when I was a kid, my favorite fight is, um, Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bull II. I remember that. So it was a great fight. Riddick Bull beat him the first one and then he came in. He beat Riddick Bull back the second one. I loved boxing up. I liked, um, Evander Holyfield, my Tyson, of course, um, all the guys, yeah, Gerald McClellan or all the different boxers. I remember Julio Cesar Chavez and all those guys. I remember them. Any styles that you would try to, because you were also an exceptional, I mean, your hands were exceptional in the octagon as well. Did you, were there any boxers that you would emulate? I would try to do things that I saw. Evander Holyfield do, I try to do things, all the guys, anybody I could pick about Aaron Pryor, I would always watch that guy for boxing. Um, she's just, yeah, I would try to relate as much as I could to MMA and just kind of like, because it's all right there, right? It's, it's, what do you think? What do you believe is true? And, uh, yeah, I'd try to emulate there because they would always say, Oh, Roberto Durant, he just wanted to beat people up. Okay. I just want to beat people. You know, so many, so many, uh, MMA fighters today, I feel like they have so many disciplines now underneath them. If you were to build like the ultimate fighter, like what would be the, what would be the three, you know, disciplines that, that you would make sure they trained in? She's well, oh yeah, great. Cause you got judo. Now there's all of, yeah. Cause before we always used to just think jujitsu, wrestling and, and Muay Thai or kickboxing, but then now there's judo and then everybody forgot about the spinning kicks and then people started using them and knocking everybody out. And she's, I don't know. I, I try to tell people when they say, I want to get involved with the sport. I say, well, what do you love the most? Do you like boxing? What do you mean? I go, do you like boxing? Do you like grappling? You like wrestling? What do you like? And when they tell me, and then I tell them, go as far as you can in that. And then after it, yeah, first, boxing, maybe try to go to the Olympics or do whatever, or jujitsu, try to go see how far you can go in jujitsu tournaments or whatever. And then later on try to add all that stuff in and, and still till today. Cause people asked me about jujitsu and, and I tell them, no, it's, it's not all you, you can't just have jujitsu anymore to, to be a UFC champion for, for offense. It won't work, but I still believe that jujitsu is still the best self-defense because you're not supposed to be fighting. You're supposed to be running. And if they do catch you and grab you, and then you can protect yourself from jujitsu and choke them out or arm bar them and get up and run away again. So I still think jujitsu is a great, is the best self-defense form. I agree. Well, I mean, I feel like we saw that when the, I mean, before UFC became really popular and it was underground. Style versus style. And we saw Gracie's hit the scene. You, I mean, they were, they were beating up dudes twice their size. That's what jujitsu is. Well, I know for, I know for me, it's the one full contact martial art. So like, you know, boxing is full contact, kickboxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, jujitsu, jujitsu is the one where you see a lot of times small guys beat big guys. If I'm not mistaken, it's probably the only one that has absolute categories where there's no weight class. And oftentimes the winners like, you know, like a 160 pound guy, 170 pound guy, you don't see that with boxing, you know, you get a big boxer against a small boxer. Small boxer can be good. Big boxer might kill them, right? Jujitsu, not so much. Or you don't see that just even in today's UFC with like Khabib being a wrestler and then Usman being a wrestler, he just kind of already thinks like, well, maybe I can't beat him because in wrestling, you don't think about that as much, right? And jujitsu, we were always used to having the absolute division. You do your weight class. You see how you did. And just for fun, you'd go jump in the absolute division. So I think we were always used to that, you know, and jujitsu is made so the small man can beat up the big man. Absolutely. You ever roll with like some of the legends like Hickson? You ever roll with Hickson? I never got to roll with Hickson because I was out there and then I fought with Hanzo and different things. So they probably like, no, we can't fight. Yeah. So, but you can come out and hang out with all friends. But as far as the training goes, what about Marcelo Garcia? You ever roll with him? I never know. Oh man, I would have loved to see that man. He was, they all came after Marcelo and all the guys. Excellent, man. Well, I'll tell you, I've been watching you since forever and it's, it's an honor to have you in Liberty. Legend, man. Yeah. So I'm happy to hear you're doing what you're doing with UFC gyms. So you could just take your energy and direct it towards helping people. Great partnership. Yeah. Great partnership. Improve their fitness and health. And so thanks for coming on, man. Oh, no, thank you guys for having me. Awesome. Look, you can go to mind pump free.com and download all of our guides. They cost nothing. So we got a bunch of them for free. You can also find all of us on social media, uh, Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump. Justin, you can find me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam. I want to start to create some good habits that I think that we can build that can be sustainable. So I'm going to introduce first some walking. 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