 Yeah. I mean, I can just leave this on. Turn my camera off or something. I don't know what to do to keep it. Moving. If you. Oh, yes. Like if I leave the meeting, then it's not going to record anymore. Well, look at the participant list. Doesn't it show that I'm recording as well? Yes. I didn't do a thing. I didn't touch record or click anything. Okay. Perfect. Do you guys have any other questions for me today? Nope. Do you know how wonderful you are and what a big help you've been to us. Thank you. Thank you. All right, guys, have a good meeting and I'll see you Wednesday at 545. Great. See you then. Thanks, Jennifer. Yeah. I don't know somebody email me if I close it down for everybody by the way. Okay. Okay. I think it's. Here we are. Do we want to share screens so we can go like section by section to go over the comments and stuff. Sure. You want me to do that? Oh, I could do that. I have to type in all the changes we make. Okay. So for the, for the title page and the graphics on it. I looked at the Northampton report and the other ones. The way that they're like branded and colored, they're like, I don't know, I don't know if we can just finalize the actual content. I can go back and put all of that in. Well, my job like subscribes this, this app called Canva. And it really just does it all for you. And you can just brand it in the colors you want and stuff like that. So now when I see stuff, I'm like, oh, okay. Nice. But first off, though, I do want to say great work, Russ. I mean, this is awesome that you did all this work. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you. Yeah. That was really good. I had a little time and I kind of got on a roll and just kept going. Glad you were, you were able to, you felt glad you felt inspired. I really did, you know, that's what happened. I can't make myself right. And sometimes it comes. Excellent. So we can read over it, I guess, section by section and see if there's anything we want to add. One thing that I wanted to talk about, talk about with both of you before we start. Miss Walker and I had a conversation yesterday about what the town has done for racial equity in general. And I don't know if it belongs in this report, but there have been a lot of similar groups like the community safety working group with the goal of making Amherst a more equitable place. And these are groups that put together reports. They've hired consultants similar to what we have done. And it really hasn't gone anywhere. I'm wondering how you guys feel about this being included in the report. Yeah, I guess. So I think it would depend on how, you know, if it's to kind of put it in a place with like more like a historical context or something like that, you know, like, okay, this has been the history. This is what has happened in the past. But then to kind of say, but now here we are. You know, I think it's a new day. I think it's a new day. And this was something that you all asked to happen. So we're hoping that this will have a different outcome. You know, if it's something like that, I think, you know, I would be. I'm not unwilling. I, I kind of like. Sort of saying, Hey, it's a new day. Everything has changed. Since, I mean. We know this has all been going on. Forever. But people have a new awareness since. You know, it's been going on for a long time. And we've got very concrete recommendations. And I think there's a public. Outcry out there. I think the D fund group. The reparations group. These groups are all going to advocate for our proposals being implemented. Okay. I mean, I think for me, like on a, like historically, I think that was what I was talking about. Like I wanted to put it in the report because I thought it was going to be a good idea. I think it's going to be a good idea. I think it's going to be a good idea. I think we deserve to place just to kind of hold the town council and Amherst accountable. To take our recommendation seriously. Because I think since the murder of George Floyd, a lot of things, not a lot, but there has been a push towards social justice. But this push has happened before and it hasn't. Anywhere. And I just want to make sure that that's reiterated. Is this work has taken place before or nothing has happened. And we're hoping that there's a different outcome. So I can find a way to incorporate that after this meeting. And I think it's going to be a good idea to put it in that. Closing piece where I kind of call on them to. Move forward with, with bigger. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's a bad thing to include it. Like I said, I think we can have, I think it could be a, a win-win, like in terms of, you know, putting the historical calm context, right? In terms of there's been other attempts in the past, but then say, but yes, we're here. And I think that this time things are going to happen because, unfortunately, Russ, I mean, just because, you know, what happened with George Ford, I don't know if it's such a new day. I think it's still the same day, but we're hopeful. There's a new day on it. Yeah. Only be a new day of people make it a new day. Exactly. So that's the part that I'm like, yeah. Okay. Good. Let's, let's include that then. Yeah. I'm going to just scroll down then and add that to the closing comments for a note for myself to go back and go follow. Okay. Yeah, I can see that as a brief second paragraph between the, these two that are here. So do you guys want me to go over the places where there's comments or should we just take it section by section on where we can add. I think, you know, because me, I want to kind of be tasking and stuff. So can we just kind of go to areas where we have like comments and stuff? Yeah. I mean, that's what I would prefer. What would you prefer us? That's fine with me. There may be a couple of things I want to particularly ask for your feedback on, but. Yeah, but I mean, definitely. I think wherever we ask questions or whatever, let's stop and talk about it. I'm just thinking in terms of, you know, not going too much into the details. If there's nothing to change. Yeah, well, let's make sure that we have put in everything that you had, Deborah. Yeah. Well, I had, I had questions too and things like that. So I think some of it was. Let me pull up the original one because I think this is the one that Russ sent me. But mine was in the track changes. So I don't know how that kind of. Transfers into Google Docs. So it transferred in like comments. Russ, do you want to screen share instead of me just because of me being on Google Docs? Just so we can. Move this along. I'm sorry. Cause I do know that it is a little bit like the way it translates is different. Oh, I know. Can we see? Oh, there it is. Okay, there it is. Yeah, it showed up. Yeah, let's see if we can work from this. Okay. Yeah, it showed up. Perfect. So this is the first comment that Deborah had. So basically, yeah, I just, you know, kind of made some edits there. And then. Um, let me see. Oh yeah. It was just the whole thing about the survey. I'm asking, did someone, uh, or did seven Jen going to, to incorporate those? Because I do think that it is an important part to. I think it's important. We'll do. We'll, I think we should make a space, I think we should make a space mention it and make a space for it. And, you know, Yeah, but I guess, but I guess when you say that though, I mean, do we know like how many surveys we did again? Cause I know that I guess for me, my assumption was that seven Jen was going to be looking at that information and then just bringing us whatever the summary was from it so that then we could incorporate it. You see what I'm saying? But now I guess let's say if we don't put any pressure on them to do it, how are we going to do it with. You know, the time Jennifer told me there were about 40 responses. She thought. Okay. And she had sent it to D. He had even asked for it, I think, and she'd send it to D. Yeah. She's now sent that to miss Pat. So one way or another, we'll get something and get it. So we will. Okay. All right. So that would be important. Yeah. So I did, I did reach out to seven Jen about it just because, um, I think, um, Me and miss Walker, Paul wanted to just touch base with us to see if we're okay with moving the invoices forward. And at first we are curious as to where the information with the house was data went. And the surveys. And after I touched base with Dr. Shabee, she let me know that, um, the way that we worded the survey was really hard for her team to use toward their reports and collect like some sort of summary. And we didn't do a good job at, um, being inclusive with our asks of families in town and what they did. And I think that's why she sent us that email as a group this morning. Yeah. I mean, I get it, but I mean, my thing is just, okay. I mean, you know, I guess we're not going to quibble. So, you know, how, how are we going to be able to miss Pat going to kind of review the surveys. It's going to try it. And she might take a look at it after she put it together. I'll try to do that. Okay. All right. I'm fine with the suggestion of Debra's here. Okay. We just accept all of those. Okay. Well, that was a, I don't, I know some people like to do the fancy page numbers. I just did the simple one so that like this, if we have to refer back when we talk. And then that one I just added, I just added a date. That was it. Of when we met. You wanted to reveal it was at the last minute. That's funny. Hey, we don't have to be ashamed. That's fine. We've done well. No, we have. And I still think we need to talk to them again before we do the second report, you know. Yeah. And so the one way I had more of a, of a. Kind of, you know, and as you all saw the time that I was doing it, because unfortunately my mom ended up getting sick and having to go to the hospital. So that's why I ended up doing. Yeah. I mean, she's back. She's back. Yeah. She's back home, but it was a weekend of going to the hospitals. Yeah. So, but anyway, so what I was, what I was thinking is just that, you know, how you had said, you know, the list of black, of black people killed by police just in the last decade is long and horrifying. So I was just trying to kind of, you know, you know, put in some of the. Yeah. And it was crazy because when I was going through that, I mean, all of these people that I put, they were, they were just, like you said, the last, you know, you know, you know, not this decade in terms of like, obviously we're in the 2020 and 2021, but it was like from 2014 up to now, and most of them was in 2020 and 2021. So it's really, it was really like, Oh my God. I'm glad that you put black indigenous and people of color. Cause sometimes white people don't know what by pop stand. Yeah. Yeah. That in my work. Should there be a comment or should there be a comment after black? I'm not sure. I've seen all different types of things. I've seen slashes. I've seen all sorts of stuff. But whatever. I think whatever we want to go with, it'll be fine. Okay. Do we want to go with the commas? Well, I think we're only doing this once the rest of the time. We'll write by talk. I was just thinking in the, where it's. Where we, where we spell it out. Yeah, I'm fine. Do you want to add a comma Brianna? Another thing that might be helpful to, for the end of this, the Amherst town council in December of 2020, I believe they put out a statement about how they want to dismantle white supremacy. So maybe we end our contact or end this with that. Like we're proud of the town of Amherst is participating and asking these questions and leave a quote just to like reinforce that accountability. Oh, that would be really good. Yeah. The best, I took a look at it today. The best quote in my mind is actually the title of the document. What's the title? Let's see. I handed up here a minute ago. It's on the, it's on the. Other Google doc. Oh, on this one. Yeah. You're right. Right where you're doing it. I think I put in the title. Let me just look on this one to make sure that I Deborah, I put all of your corrections on this Google doc. I just like approved all of them, but we still should go through this one. Yeah. Yeah. Like go through the other one. Yeah. With the, with the comments. I think that's better. Yeah. Okay. I had town council just minutes. And then this number. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know, there's always going to be a little. Type of that one over there. I'm not sure if you wanted to. I was just saying, I was just thinking it was missing something. So I don't know if we should add community members, but then that seems like then we say it again. Community members. I always have that question when you're using the BIPOC. If you read it as people of color. So I'm fine with it like that. But the other one that number three, I was just, I wasn't sure where you were going with that Russ. So increasing the power and the voice of BIPOC community members and making decisions and setting directions in town in any and all areas. Especially with issues of equity at present. Setting directions in town. Yeah. I guess it's, I guess what I'm really talking about is goals. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm fine with it like that. But the other one that number three, I was just, I'm fine with it. Yeah. I'm fine with it. So this is one of the goals. Okay. I've realized there's. There's another organization I'm a part of where we, we saw setting a direction means heading people in a particular direction or thinking and moving in that direction, but. Increasing the power and voice of BIPOC community members and making decisions. And setting goals. Setting goals. And all areas and especially where issues of equity are present. That sounds a little bit wordy. What if we put increasing the efficacy of BIPOC leaders to promote racial equity in town practices? Well, I like the, well, I do like the increase in the power and voice of BIPOC community. Like decisions, I like kind of the specificity of it. I mean, maybe we don't have to do the goals. Let's just take out the second phrase. Yeah. Let's take out the end. Because I do like the fact that what we're saying is that we want BIPOC community members in the decision making, you know? Yeah. Just take out the highlighted part. Okay. Yeah. Making decisions and then you know, yep, that's good. Deborah, am I right that you're a former director of diversity, equity and inclusion? Yeah. That was one of my roles. I had fun writing that list of all the identities we have. Yeah. When I was reading it, I was like, wow, we have a lot of diversity in our midst. Oh, here, wait, wait, wait. There's a place just here where I gave references to some of the more traditional ones. I thought I should have a link for the defund stuff as well. I wasn't sure whether that's the movement for Black Lives. So I included the defund 413 police data from the summer and the chart that you were talking about. I found it. It's in the other one in the footnote, in a photo. Where did you want to add it though? Just down under recommendations about best practices. You see where they're right near the bottom in big caps I have is this the best site to be. Did you want to just put like what they do or did you want the one specifically to the stops? I thought here just leave the link. Okay. If you all had some better online summary of. No, that looks good to me. I had looked at it when we were doing our research and everything too. Take out the caps and leave the link then. And then there's our survey data. Oh, and then I added here, we should also put in here the police data. Oh, from the end. You said you. This, I can show you the link that's found. Yeah, I was thinking about that in terms of the police data, how would we add it? That's definitely in the contract for them to do as well. But I haven't seen it yet. Nope. Russ, this was the link that I thought you were looking for that I could be wrong. This was the, the default 413. Oh, the 413. This is quite an article they wrote. Yeah, but yes, this is the chart I was talking about. I don't know whether we got more information than this from the police or not. We got something similar, but I think we got like a lot more of those charts. Like this one is just one. Yeah. So I'm just going to add a note to connect with Dr. Shabazz about the police data. But it should be another section here. Okay. Police data in my opinion, yeah. Survey data, police data. So I mean, that's the thing though. I think, I don't know if they did, because I had asked that question when they had done the report, the report that they presented on last week in my comments to them. I asked them about that, especially I said, so where's the data that goes towards the APD? And then she responded to me. She was like, what are you talking about? And then I responded back. I was like, the data that we, that we collected from the APD, did you all include it in the thing? But then I never heard back. Hi. Breanna, you and Alicia may need to go through that contract very carefully with them, because there are a number of things that, I mean, that, because that's definitely in the contract. Police data. Yeah. Cause it was, yeah. The two ones that we wanted them to look at was the survey and the police data, you know? Because obviously we knew we were doing everything else and it was going to be too much time for us to look at that intently. And they have the expertise too, with the Terry especially, with his data analysis and stuff. That was the whole thing was Terry. And we mentioned that to him very early on too. Yeah. I can reach out to Dr. Chivas and have that conversation. I think it would also be helpful to have like the police data, the racialized stops and policies that need to change to support our work. Well, policies is really the second. The second part. That would be the second part. We haven't got the month of June to do that. But the data, yeah. But the, yeah. All of that would be good. Okay. I'll reach out to her after this meeting. And one question I had here, you know, if you're going to do some graphics and all is whether we wanted to take a few of the direct quotes and sprinkle them in here as well. I don't think we want to try to do everything, but I wondered if we might want a couple of quotes. We can. And one of my thoughts was that when Ms. Pat or whoever looks at the surveys is we can pull some of the quotes out of there. But also I wasn't sure if that's problematic with public record or whatever. Well, I think as long as we kind of just take the quotes but not identify folks and things like that, you know? Yeah. I think that'll be fine. Because I think that was the reason why we weren't, why I remember Jennifer didn't want to share it with us for us to review it was because of the public records. But I think we're only taking quotes and not identifying anyone. Then we should be okay. I think what I'd like Russ would be if we do have quotes from the surveys then we kind of sprinkle it in here because remember the other quotes are going to be in their report, you know? So that it would be kind of repetitive. It would be good to have like some fresh quotes to get in the surveys, yeah. Yeah. And I like your edits here. So did you want to put, just make a note there, Brianna, that if we get some of the information from the surveys then we can try to get some quotes to put in that section. And I think it'd be okay for them to be like sort of boxed. They don't have to fit into the text, they could just be. Yeah, I mean like with the graphic, with the Canva templates, we could always put it on like the side or the bottom so that when whoever's reading the report that's like what jumps out to them. It's for that. And then here's the information on everything. No, that would be really good. Yeah, so I know that Russ that you were asking about that like traffic violations and stuff like that. So that's why I'm asking about that too, again, over here. Is it, are we being strategic in terms of not including noise complaints or traffic violations here? My feeling was we haven't really talked about traffic violations and that that really are, I want to have a long conversation about that because I think it's a big area to take away from the police but I'm not sure that mental health social workers are the best people to necessarily handle traffic violations. One of the things that I said, I intentionally said including here and I... Because then it just leaves it out there that there might be others that we're going to add. Yeah, that was my intention was to, and we could put an et cetera or... Yeah, I just wanted to be because, I mean, I think you're right about that. But yeah, but for me, you're right. I think we need to have a big conversation about that because for me, traffic violations are where a lot of times the police get, they intimidate and they do a lot of things that they're not supposed to do against BIPOC folks. So for me, I'm really concerned about the police still continuing with traffic violations. And then noise complaints and then noise complaints, I'm like, again, these are areas that they can be, they could still be unarmed people that are de-escalating. I would say let's put noise complaints in here. And then traffic, I think I have in the list of things... Yeah, the discards, so we can leave it for that. And then is there a problem with wellness or was that just... No, that was just to highlight. Yeah, that was... Okay, I just wanted to highlight. Oh, I added text for both of these. So I'll just go to switch over to the other document and we can read it really quick. Great. I thought I did one on the diversity equity inclusion. I'm just gonna repull up my email. Oh, so while we're waiting for that though, my other question in my comment was what about the rental assistance and the transition housing for folks who are houseless? Because remember those were also in our recommendations. Oh, I think that we should talk about that at our next meeting because Ms. Pat at the last meeting had kind of alluded that she was happy with what was happening and the work that was being done around rental assistant and that type of thing. But I also am curious just to go back and double check that that's the case and that we shouldn't add that in here. Well, I guess like for me, so we didn't add that as any part of our recommendations then in terms of budget considerations. Did we do that or did we not? No, that wasn't in the budget committee didn't include anything there. Okay, around rental or transition for... I think that's right. Ms. Pat did appreciate the town manager setting up a committee to study. Yeah, because that's why I was asking that question because I wasn't sure about it. So then the only ones that we need to focus on is the Department of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Youth Center and the Multicultural Center then. Right? Okay, I guess I didn't, I'm sorry. I thought I wrote a small section on the Department of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Let me just triple check again, I'm sorry. No, take your time. I recently started taking this diversity, equity and inclusion like certificate course. So I kind of incorporated some stuff that I've been learning there. For me, I mean, I had put that in terms of Ms. Pat just because I know she had like some specific ideas around it, you know? Like it seemed to be like her vision, you know? Yeah, there's some, you have some language in the Google Doc that we first started with. Russ, would you mind pulling that up? I can't find it, I'm sorry. Okay, let me. I apologize. Can you see this? Yep, we can see it. Yep, there it is. You guys think that that's enough for the diverse, the Department of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion or should we add more? I think the only thing that we might wanna do because I think there was some language though, right? When we had done either the budget, I'm just thinking like maybe we could just look at that to see if there's anything else to add to it. Okay. In terms of that, you know, the vision that we had had in regards to it. That's my only thought. Just to make sure we're not leaving anything out. Were you part of the budget subcommittee, Dipit? No, no, I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't. Was Alisha, Ms. Pat? Oh, Brianna, you are there. Yeah, yeah. So I think that I think, and I will clarify at our next meeting, I'm just gonna put it out so I don't forget. Well, I actually remember we are gonna send this out to them tomorrow or even tonight if all the editors are made, then they can add to it too, you know? Because I'm working on a spreadsheet right now and all we have is a director and an assistant director. And I assume that when Ms. Pat, me and Ms. Walker came up with this, that we assume that these positions would be housed in Town Hall. Yeah, a little edit how willing the last sentence, willing the town is to welcoming that, maybe how open the town is to welcoming that. Okay. Or how willing it is to welcome that. Okay. Oh, let's see, this is my screen. Is my changing it here gonna help any? Yeah. Let's read through this. I just, there's just a TO that needs to be, so the way it says the purpose of the youth center is to give BIPOC youth a voice. I like this point up above, it's actually in the second sentence, but I would take out the little data illustrates and just say this alone. The reason why I said the little data illustrates that is because I thought Terry's presentation to us was really interesting for me because I was so invested in Crest, but then to find out that of their alternative safety programs aren't really solving racial equity on their own. So I just kind of wanted to translate that into the first couple of sentences of this, because I didn't want the town council or others to read this and think like, this is an extra thing. Like I think the community, the alternative community safety is important, but it's not gonna fix all of this on its own. Can I take out the word little? Yeah. It certainly did, it'll not be sufficient. Oh, I think I put a double comma in that second sentence. Are we all set with that? Well, I thought the cultural center was also going to be kind of a place to showcase the different cultures also, because now it seems like it's more so just, not just, but it's a crisis center, but I thought it was also gonna be like... So I put at the front to promote BIPOC culture, but we could also add into that like first sentence more on that, because that was the vision, that is the vision. Yeah. A place to promote BIPOC culture. We pull up the exact wording for this pattern. Yeah. But I think we don't wanna lose that part too. So that it's also a celebration of families and cultures in the area as well as, because sometimes we always just deal with like the issues and not the celebratory aspect. Okay, yeah. But to promote BIPOC culture, showcase, Ms. Pat put BIPOC museum and help plan holiday celebrations while mobilizing organizations in the Amherst area that can be utilized to bridge the support in BIPOC families and provide case management. So she said museum? Yeah. Can you read the language again? This arrest can include it? Yeah. So the BIPOC cultural community center is to promote BIPOC culture, showcase a BIPOC museum, help plan certain holidays. Yeah, let's stop there. It could showcase the BIPOC museum, help plan certain holiday celebrations. And what was the last one? And mobilize all organizations in the Amherst area that can be utilized to support BIPOC families, which I think we did have that. And then it goes to list the educational services job opportunities, food security. Yeah, and then that we have, yeah. Are we set there? Mm-hmm, that's good. And again, you know, I think if there's anything else that some of the other members wanna add, they can add to it. You know, we got a recommendation from the seven gen folks, but we haven't actually talked about this very much, but it did seem to me it needed to be a recommendation that's stood on its own. Can we go back to my comments because I had a comment on that one. Bring those up, Brianna. Yeah. You're gonna be able to merge these two documents? Yeah. Because I think it goes to what you were saying, Russ. I mean, because I'm talking more about, you know, number five after, you know, C, point C, you know, our current recommendations to reduce the size of the farm and gradually to achieve 50% reduction. Yeah, I mean, I think we probably need to discuss it because for me, I was kind of like, I would rather, because I know that that's what seven gen had put in, that they put that as their recommendation, their report, but for me, I was kind of like, you know, I'll rather be something like our current recommendations to reduce the number of the police to equate to the actual number of calls that they will be responding to after fully funded and fully resourced crisis instituted. Because, you know, as opposed to just being like, okay, by at 526, 50% reduction, when we don't know it might be, the reduction might happen a lot more quickly. How would you? I'm comfortable with this statement. Yeah, it would be, so what I was saying would be pretty much just for that first paragraph. The other one in terms of the UMass police, you know, I don't know about, because, you know, I don't think we haven't discussed that at all. So I don't know, you know, what you wanted to do with that. So my comment was more so about that first paragraph in terms of kind of that reduction to 50% reduction by FY26. So would you take out all reference to 50%? I mean, I'm not in agreement with that. I think I know that that's what seven gen recommended the report, but that's not anything that I would recommend. But so maybe what we could do is like bring that up for people to discuss. So maybe we need to discuss it. If Cress only took 40% of the calls, would you only want a 40% reduction? Yeah, I mean, I think we got to go to, we have to go by what we're going to be working on. But I think it's going to be more though, especially if we get, you know, noise complaints in and traffic violations at some point, we'll see what happens with that. I doubt if it's going to be 40%. But yeah, I guess, because remember what they're going to be left with is going to be violent crime. And there's some violent crime, but I don't think there's a lot of violent crime in there. There's not that much. Okay. Yeah. All right, I'm good with your sentence, except equate to the number of calls. Is it proportional to the actual number of calls? Yeah, maybe proportional, yeah. Yeah, that's, you know, that's what I was. We don't want as many police as they get calls. No. I'm comfortable with keeping the second part. Because I do think that bringing up that there's multiple police forces and Amherst is important. So they don't, whoever reads this doesn't look at it and think like, oh, we're defunding the police entirely. Like this program is going to account for the calls the police would account for. And additionally, if needed, Amherst PD, it does work in collaboration with the UMass Police Department, the Amherst College Police Department and the Hampshire College Police Department. So it's not like Amherst won't have any police officers. Yeah, let's just replace the first paragraph and leave the second one. Okay. I just know there's somebody who's going to go, well, what happens when we get a big demonstration or when there's an emergency or... But they always bring police from, you know, they always, when there's, they bring stateys in, they bring in this, they bring in that, they bring in folks from everywhere, you know? No. Well, were you going to change it to proportional? Oh, I'm sorry, yeah. Is it true? Proportion it, please. That's not that wrong. Proportion it, yeah. Like our recommendation is... Take out the two before that word. Reduce the number of police proportionate to the actual number of calls that would be responding. Should we add the Amherst College and the Hampshire College or no? Well, there's already, there's been new papers, newspaper articles about students pushing Amherst College to do away with its police department. And Hampshire's is so small. I would say we do mass, everybody. Okay. They're more in the center of town. If somebody's offended about Hampshire being left out, we can easily agree to it. So what was your question here about the highlight number six? So, continue. Oh, so it was just that bottom part that I added. We recommend that the CSWG be paid a stipend and commit to it with the amount of work that they will be doing. And basically to say kind of like, you know, I guess we're going to have to talk about it to see if everyone's on board with that too. That there is a CSWG that's continual. Because I don't think we really have talked about that. It was, no. It was one of Jennifer Moyston's recommendations originally. Mm-hmm. And I know Sevens Gen also put it in their report too. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying we'll probably just have to talk about it to make sure everyone's on board, you know? I mean, I'm in agreement, especially if, like I said, if they actually pay members, whomever decides to do it, the... I know. Now you're talking big budget impact though. That was one of the things I talked with you about. Even how hard we worked. I'm not sure if it deserves a place in this, but one of the things I talked with Dr. Shabazz about was for our presentation to really outline to the town council how much work has gone into this, how long our meetings are, how many hours we've put in on educating ourselves on this topic, reading papers, going to webinars, that type of thing. We could add that to the final report, but. Yeah, I think that wouldn't be a bad thing to add. At some point. But it's in there, but I think to say it with some feeling about how much work we put in. I'll put a note here, because I'm interested to like go back and see how many hours we did. I think to them, to the town council, I think they're assuming that we just do the two hours every week, but we always go over the subcommittees, our meeting, like we put in a lot of work. And like you said, all the research that we've done. In the webinars. I'm sure when they created it, they did not expect us to meet every week. Yeah. Yeah. And for the amount of time that we do, because like I said, usually it's more than two hours. It's like two and a half, sometimes three hours. And we're attended town council meetings to stay on top of how the town's feeling about our stuff. Like there's a lot that goes into it. And just if this group needs to continue, I would just hope that they would pay members enough to do it. I think this was honestly a volunteer position. Yeah. Because that's how you lose people though. And that's why like when we do end up talking about the oversight board, they'd have to consider that too, because you're going to lose people if you don't. What are you going to say Ross? I think I cut you off. This section I mostly made up this anticipated areas to be addressed. Some of these are things I want to make sure we talk about. But so I really wanted to check with you that it's okay that we've got these here. Well, I think for me that's what I had. Well, I thought I had written that in there, but like I said, it was two o'clock in the morning. So when I was working on this, but yeah, I think that this whole area over here, we probably need to kind of discuss some of it, right? As a group, yeah. For me, one of the questions I had for you, Ross, was when you say racial diversity and the APD, I just don't like change the racial demographics, but also define them. I think this might be tricky. Yeah, I guess my thought is that people will be surprised if we haven't actually looked at more at the racial makeup of the force and recommended diversifying it. But you're right, diversifying and reducing the sizes can be hard to do together. Yeah, I think we could only do that after the size has been, you know. But it just seemed to me maybe we should have some recommendation about it. I think also like diversifying their outreach pool, I was a little bit concerning to me to read that like they recommend police positions to friends and family because that just promotes a culture of no accountability in my mind because if you're working with your best friends and your brother and all these people so close to you, are you gonna hold them accountable when people calling complaints? Oh, and that's another thing. How we're gonna move over or what we're going to do with complaints against the police. Except ever is that it there. This next to the last one, what I found out was that when other departments come in doing mutual aid they abide by their own policies not by the Amherst policies. So if we have a good reduction of use of force policy but the other department doesn't they're allowed to function on the basis of their policy. And I think we should be negotiating if UMass is gonna be a primary mutual aid partner we should be negotiating that UMass police need to follow the Amherst town of Amherst policies when they're engaged in mutual aid. I agree. I think too like a lot just going to the listening forum like a lot of people did have some stuff to say about UMass PD. Are we good with all of this? The anticipated areas. What did you say though about like the complaints? You wanted to add that? Yeah, I think I should add that under the resident oversight board. Maybe we could put some complaints there. Okay, yeah. I think like when we do send the draft out to the group maybe we can say that the anticipated areas might be an area where we need to kind of talk as a group. There exists currently a possibility to make complaints to the Human Rights Commission. So. Oh, okay. Okay. What if we just put a- Go away. Including handling of complaints about the police. Yeah, because I think though the thing with it, though Russ, and I guess maybe you can explain it to me it's just that it seems like people really feel kind of like one intimidated about filing complaints you know about the police or they feel like they're not really clear about what the process is. I mean, I think that's the thing. Yeah, this board would have to do a whole outreach thing. But I think that's right. Yeah, I think we could just put a comma where there's a period and say including the handling of complaints about the police. Okay. Police behavior. So are we good with the section now? Yeah, I'm fine with it. I got the word exhausting in it up there. Seeing that in my closing comments. Yeah, that was good, the closing comments are really good. So I know that they said they're gonna be doing something in terms of one report in regards to part A, part B but I was thinking like with my comment there to have like we should definitely include the alternatives portion and the oversight board. I mean, oversight is for later but the alternatives here. Yeah, yeah. Why don't we take out the part B thing that's highlighted to leave that and... Just report from seven down. No, I think, I mean, what I heard Deborah say is relevant portions. Yeah, I think it's gonna be relevant portions. It might not be the whole thing. I think once they sent us a report then we can kind of title it appropriately, but at least that could be a placeholder. I don't know. There's number two and number three there really one item. Yeah, that's what it seems like it's gonna be. For the resources, is this resources that we just use as a group or? Well, maybe we don't need that because I mean, if we wanted to list newspaper articles about example, you know, other alternative programs I had a thought that this would be like a little bibliography where people wanted to learn more but then I ended up putting some links in but this would be a place anybody could list anything that they thought the town council might benefit from reading. Okay, we'll just leave that then and see what the group has to say. If we end up with nothing to put there, then we... I did get a chance to write out the budget at the bottom like not in the Google Excel or the Google Sheets. I just wanted to triple check, Deborah, do you know that if the full-time community of responders we agreed as a group for 16, right? It might be just one of those things we have to run by everyone. Yeah, I think, yeah, because I think we had... We had nine at first. So I wasn't sure if it was 16, 18. Because we had said we wanted at least two more, was it? But yeah, we have to check it because Ms. Pat was the one that kind of sent in the final one, right? Yeah, yeah. We should check with her just to make sure. It would be good to have a little text to explain, you know, Y16, you know, because it's, you know, this is how many you need to have to cover two shifts for the busy hours and one shift for the not busy... You know, whatever it is, just a little explanation of that. Did you all see that they had article about us on Amherst Bulletin? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. We're famous. I thought it was good. We got people prepared for some bigger numbers that they might've been ready for. I know, that's what I thought. I thought it was more so about, and look at the budget. Look at the bottom line. One thing that I can do, the Budget Committee, me, Ms. Pat, and Ms. Walker all worked on like these budget notes that kind of rust what you said, like go line by line and explain where we got each thing from and the budget from. I can work on expanding those to add that to the report. All right, well, I wouldn't go crazy over it, but I'd like to have some... Especially, I think maybe like the big part, right? Like the 16, Y16, I don't think you need to put it on everything, but I think maybe the positions, like the director, assistant director, maybe if there's a little something there, then you can put it. Okay, sounds good. It doesn't have to be on every item. All right, I would agree. But that looks good, though. Okay, sounds good. So I can compile all of our edits into one and send it over to Ms. Moisten and the group can take a look at it. Do you guys want me to add the graphics before or after we send it to Ms. Moisten? I think that it might be easier for people to edit it like this. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. And then you can do the... The graphics, yeah. Yeah, the graphics. Can you do graphics like just for the cover page or something? Yeah, just to show people. Just to give an idea? Yeah, that's a good idea. People have some idea of what you're planning. I think that's all right. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay, yeah, I can do that. So I think we're good. All right, go team, go. Perfect. Great team, yeah. And look, it's like we're only six minutes over what we said. We are getting the spread. I know. Are you guys coming to the town council meeting at 6.30? I'm not. No. Okay. I have kids that I need to go cook for. But if you... Cook dinner. If you find out where the town manager's budget is available, please email this. Okay, definitely. Jennifer said it wouldn't be public until he presents it to town council about 6.30 or 6.45 tonight. Good. Yeah, I'm interested to see it and I'm hoping that he left enough money for our recommendations given that he's had some time in advance to see where we were headed and our specific recommendations. But just trying to stay positive. Yeah, definitely let us know, Brianna. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna put all of the edits together, like merge them so that all the documents are the same and I'm gonna put a cover page too and sort of an end page and send that to Ms. Moisten and then she can send that out to the group tomorrow. Okay. Will it still be a Google doc? So I don't have Microsoft. So if you guys think that it would be more helpful to have it as a Word document, what I can do is put all of the edits in a Google doc and Russ, if you could just convert it to a Word. I apologize. Let's just do it as a Google. Yeah, just do it as a Google. Okay. Yeah, and send us the link so we know which one is the final because we now have several of them. Okay, sounds good. Oh, Brianna, one quick thing though with Google because I don't use Google docs too much. So if I do wanna do like comments, cause I know you can write in and that's when I've been able to kind of show if I do comments, how does this save it? Cause I know I've lost comments that I made on Google docs. Is there any trip to that? So on Google, if you like highlight the word and then when you kind of like right click, there's a plus sign and you add a comment. The only way that it gets resolved is if somebody else touches the document and approves your comment. That's the only way it disappears. And you can track it by going to the top and there's like a little thing that says see original changes and it will tell you who approved the comment. Oh, okay. I missed it. If that was helpful. I know I talk very fast. No, no, that's fine. Yeah, thank you. Highlight, right click, control click in Mac. Then you can put in a comment. Okay. Ah, good. Yeah. Yeah, cause I was wondering about that. I need that to make comments. That's great. Oh, thank you guys for working on Google docs. I appreciate it. Thanks for teaching us. No problem. Okay, well, I need to get going. I have to eat. Thank you guys so much for all of the work and I'll do all the graphics and whatnot and we'll have that out to the group tomorrow. Yay. Thank you all. Bye. Bye. Good team. Good team.