 Do you have a farmer here? Oh, dear. Yeah, but I'm not sure if he wants to get into it. Oh, no, it's okay. Hello, how are you, my friend? What do you farm? What animals do you farm? Thank you. Thanks for coming, my friend. Thank you. I thought you were asleep then for a second. Is he asleep? He must not be interested. How you going, my friend? Do you have a question? Probably far. I have one from vegetables. Okay. The biggest problem is to plan a lot of food. Certainly, if the farmers move far, if everybody is big, we'll produce what they need. Exactly right. The problem with the difficult thing about it is you have to produce what the end does to it. Exactly. The consumer's one. The consumer's one. And then there's our galling selling, on how we work our gallings to produce good food and our gallings need livestock. That's how we do that. I'm really interested to hear the ideas, your ideas. That's why as a farmer, you have to be able to make them. There's a lot of us who are able to make them. We're not going to say this is wrong. That's wrong. We're going to hear what people say. I don't totally understand that. That's why my tiff isn't with farmers. I don't hate farmers. I don't know why the media are trying to perpetuate this vegan's hate farmers' propaganda. It's just simply not true. I understand supply and demand. Farmers are producing what the consumers want. That's the bottom line. I talk to consumers and say, if you buy plant-based products, farmers are going to supply plant-based alternatives. They're going to get into plant farming, plant proteins. This is going to happen. Do I have written out a sketch on how to transfer your animal farm into a plant farm? No, I haven't. I'm sure that's something the vegan society will get behind and help farmers transform their farm to grow plants. That's where the industries are heading. Obviously, if you're farming animals, you know where those animals go, and the public are going to be like, after a while, they're going to see that. They're going to be like, we don't want animals being killed anymore. We don't want to eat animals anymore. We don't want to eat things that come out of animals anymore, because the fate of all animals in that industry is a knife across the throat. Whether they're being used for their wool, whether they're being used for their eggs, whether they're being used for their milk, they all get a knife across their throat. The animals just aren't recognized in this. Their rights aren't being recognized. Now, this isn't the farmer's fault. They're brought up into farming communities. They're trying to make a living. Consumers are giving them money and saying, hey, we want this product. But we have to look at this from the victim's perspective, because the farmers, they're a victim of conditioning, of society, if you want a certain product, but the real victim are the ones who are going through that slaughterhouse door and coming out chopped up into pieces. This is perspective. But sooner or later, society are going to say, we don't want to exploit and kill animals anymore. Can you grow this amazing plant food for us? I'm sure there's going to be a great blueprint for you guys to follow. The Vegan Society are working on doing workshops for farmers on how to change from growing animals to growing plants. What do you think about that? Different claimants and different parts of the world. It's not just... like, I've been Australian for a very, very long time. It's great. It's great diverse. It's not going to change overnight. It's going to be a long, long time. Yeah, and we understand that too, that not everyone's going to go vegan overnight. That's not realistic. Some people do think that, though, and they do use that as an argument. What are you going to do with all the animals when everyone goes vegan? They're slowly going to change industries. They're going to be breeding less into existence. The reason there's so many animals is because farmers are breeding them into existence to keep up with the demand. When we change over and stop asking them to breed more animals into existence, there's going to be less animals and it's going to be something that's going to have to happen. Now, I don't know how it's going to happen. All I know is I don't want animals to go to slaughterhouses anymore. I don't want animals to be used for their bodies and I don't want farmers out of a job. Okay? I don't want families out of work. That's not what we want. We want all of us to work together. Now, media want to paint a picture and I really learned that this week. They take things out of context. That's just what they do. My workshops are online. How I ask people to advocate is in a respectful manner. I don't advocate for people to yell stuff at farmers, to send death threats I can do that. I condemn death threats publicly. If these death threats actually do exist which I haven't seen any evidence for at the moment it's just an assertion someone's made a claim. But if I do find someone in the movement doing that then I publicly condemn them because that's not how we make change. Through polite dialogue, discussion throwing around our ideas and education that's how we change. So, farmers are not the enemy. The enemy is the act of exploiting because we've all been taught this. We've all been taught this. I was taught that eating animals is okay. I was a part of it. I was a consumer. I was paying for it to happen. I was part of the same system. So that's why I'm not coming from a place of I'm better than anyone. I used to eat animals three times a day just like everyone else. So I understand all of that. But bottom line is the real victims do not have a voice and we need to speak up for them. We shouldn't be waiting for us to get our act together to stop consuming and exploiting animals. That needs to happen as soon as possible. What he's saying is not all farmland is suitable for certain crops. So some of them are in a bit of a harder place. So there's going to be difficulties for some farmers. They can't grow certain plant foods on their land. Some land is only suitable for what they're currently doing. So there's going to be some issues with it. The thing is they've got time. Something's going to happen and bang overnight. You have time to get your stuff together and work out what's going to happen because it's going to be a gradual change. But rarely does society stay the same. Society usually catches up and once people see what goes on inside them places you take me to the most humane slaughterhouse on earth. Take me there. Let me bring a camera in there and show the public and we'll see if they think that that's humane. It's not humane to take an animal's life and let dogs in that same situation you'd freak out. You would freak out. Anyone else got questions?