 that's so exciting I was about to do like I'll just sing the rings of power theme and I was like I don't remember it so I know I can't remember either I couldn't tell you much about the music for rings of power I think it could be a good one no no no and then there's the chorus over that says rings of power I was out with the boys last night with a lot of drinks and then we went back to my home and then we had even more drinks until like four in the morning um you have a drinking problem no I stopped yeah and today was my grandma's birthday so I had some program to attend to as well so that was all right uh so that was some some food guess who was the who was the one who got the program for her birthday that's pretty crazy I know right so I had some food there and that's a little nasty food last two days and I'm kind of regretting it now because my belly is like why why did you do this to me like what are you doing so yeah if you see me nasty food nasty food yeah like good like good good delicious food but oh you shouldn't eat it all the time basically especially if you eat clean most of the time and then you go like I'm gonna have some carbs now and today too and then next they're like you are a moron oh you shouldn't pick on yourself so much everyone else does it enough that's that's true let us be hard on you don't be hard on you it was it was fun times that lots of drinks were had last night so that was good because we we stopped the day with playing a drinking game so it was basically like you take that those many shots and drinks and sips and bam bam bam bam them just all passed out at 4am it was great I know Bam Bam he's a Flintstones character that's right he's the he's the youngest or the older son okay anyway I mean it's good that I was like this is full name so yeah yeah which is what a name but uh I was gonna say a lot of people are like oh I thought you were gonna do a break why is it no break look it's not my fault the the will decided to release a bazillion tv shows all at once at the literal time we said we wanted to have a break it seems like the universe doesn't really care what we have to say which is a bit mean it seems how much had to fucking release two episodes like Amazon they could have delayed it by a couple of weeks for us but they didn't so are they always gonna release some pairs I fucking hope not well so I was gonna ask for this right amdall got released uh got delayed by two weeks did it not is it was another thing did it I don't know not only was it delayed by two weeks they're releasing three episodes at once I was like wait so why not just release it on time maybe uh is it because they didn't want to be overshadowed but then I mean they're still releasing at the similar times to the hulk and powers of rings rings of rings of fleams so I don't know if you mean did you mean to write unleashed in the title and not unleashed or am I um no it totally says unleashed you just read it wrong I'm pretty sure it 110 percent definitely you're totally not just changing it right now it must be a glitch or something on your end particularly yeah I've noticed that happens sometimes yeah it turns out that it was right yeah it shows the correct one oh yeah now that I read reloaded and you totally didn't change it well that happens it fixed it fixed it's good good stuff yeah you just get your computer paid and uh we should get to go so it's good that we've now let you know about that incredibly yeah yeah because I was confused I was confused I admit it so why don't we get some some answers out of the way quickly uh well me and rags the last time we did I think an anniversary stream we had to do a big old series of catch ups that we released as one big thing so we'll probably do that for the anniversary so it's still on the way um is this so out of the four shows being and or she hulk rings of power and house of the dragon what is the plan I've let people know before but I'll just do it again quickly for those who are curious house of the dragon will not be covered by efap pretty much at all you'll hear me say it in passing but uh if you want what I think of it you'll find it on gary's channel weekly doing a show with him and I think possibly shad I'm not sure do weekly coverage of the weekly episodes and I'll let people on here know what I thought overall if it was to finish up um right now it's looking pretty okay to good in the running of these tv shows if you will second up uh let's say she hulk what's the plan for that um no minis but definitely coverage on efap including coverage of videos probably defending it you're gonna see some she hulk stuff back and forth more than likely especially all of the episodes are gonna get covered it's just exactly when is a little bit difficult to figure out but you know we'll get there rings of power that's gonna get coverage in the form of the the mainline episodes as well exactly how and when everything will happen uh it you know it's not exactly sure uh we'll do two in two episodes today does that mean we'll be doing two episodes again in two weeks from now who knows could be that we wait for three to come out or four I don't know exactly and then as for and all uh right now the most likely is minis though they won't start up until late September that's when it's coming out right um so you know at the earliest you'll see a mini on the first episode of andor the end of September and uh 21st right so and that's three episodes all at once so that's gonna be fun which means the andor episodes will be releasing at the same time as the halloween arc is releasing all of that and we're doing a bunch of multiple dreams and efaps to do with the halloween yeah lots of stuff I'm gonna try and do the efap tv format for the first time with and although that'd be that'd be neat um yeah so we got that we've also got like three other episodes that are planned ahead with guests and particular videos for them coming up in the next month or two so it is just absolute chaos uh also the halloween stuff isn't ready yet um I'm rushing to get it all finished up with the people involved with it but we're very excited to show you what it is we mentioned I think in passing in a couple of times what it is but you got yourselves a franchise of halloween horror movies we covered with a very spooky very scary is it very scary I think it's a it's a cast of eight people that are all we were watching it with with a bonus movie thrown in just because I was terrible at organizing at the beginning well all explained in those videos so yeah um basically what I'm saying is you're about to get in total over the next two weeks a whole bunch of efap episodes as per normal a whole bunch of uh minis for a whole tv show 12 episodes in total I believe you're gonna get like seven efap movies I think in total and um you know coverage of all three of four shows but obviously four if you uh want to chase me over to the neurotics channel as well oh you know there's this stuff we got stuff coming um but today we're not talking about stuff we're talking about ranks of hour that's not that's stuff why do you say it why do you say ranks of power like that wait for no video game coverage I don't think we can fit video game is there any video games coming out in this time uh d d d o games coming out more so in october right so because I don't know that so and stuff I don't even I literally don't nothing about are we covering that if we want to what's happened to that I don't know I'll be playing on warfare too I think okay I might I don't know I don't really have any interest in it at all right we'll turn first coming out like this week but oh the last one last of one yes last of us one remake came out uh I'm I'm too busy there's no way I've got time for that I just can't so then what we got the next one I think the next one I'm looking forward to is probably scorn that's in october yeah scorn that and calisto protocol ones that we're probably gonna want to cover a pomech heart yeah okay games aren't off the table entirely I just don't you know how it be they'll be around when they're around I feel when we can find a game we all really kind of care about and are interested in and want to discuss that's when it'll happen you can't force these things we got a dense eight hour podcast obviously of uh of game coverage on the anniversary I thought was was pretty neat for those looking for game stuff wasn't wasn't that the way that the anniversary was organized was quite neat I thought you know with first first eight hours was games second eight hours was uh discussing stories plus uh we had the the kanobi plus marvel just like that that sort of section and the third section was like memes and uh random text arguments and then sexy stories about clowns um we had the let me have the really weird videos that we watched right at the end that feel like a fever dream um though you know hopefully that all was was fun for you I like how the last episode was fully released on muley yesterday it's like right on then on we go so yeah for those who don't know we did want to break we really did I did I just I don't if I was to leave these two episodes and we just have a gap episode you understand with all the stuff we've got to cover we got to get this shit going to the point where I'm like should we just start up should we just start talking about this I um what format should we go in for chronological but also giving a little intro for what all four of us thought I don't know it seems that this is a very controversial show already we already knew this would happen so don't panic oh yeah uh I'm going in trouble on Twitter a couple with with two different sides of a big war that's going on oh the culture war as they say and um I thought I think it's a topic worth discussing at this point because I was like surprised at how many people were angry at me for this so we don't we we've never thought about this really on each other in the passing that we do we have a take on it so maybe we'll share it I guess but um it's too take four sorry I haven't said it yet rags you fucker so you got I sat down you fucking it's just I sat I sat up because I ruining because I have a dog I have a pump onto my chair my precious momentum my flow it's gone basically stop right now it's like it's gone no I've I've I've increased your momentum I've squeezed the flow which makes it faster put your thumb over a hose what are you saying is he's raising my blood pressure so we got um we got the whole review bombing right that's a thing that everyone's been talking about but before we get to that angle and the the other people who are commenting on whether or not they like the show and stuff we'll go with the first set which was I I put out a couple of tweets just about how I thought how good I thought the show was um and I got a you know a bunch of people on Twitter saying like yeah agreed or I think you're being too harsh you know normal stuff but then I got a couple people being like you fucking broke the rule I was like where and it's like you watched the show you weren't supposed to watch it I was like I don't know when's this happened I never agreed to talk about this I talked about how I'm gonna watch rings of power for the past like fucking however many months I've known it's coming out I was like what what yeah and so like and there was getting like thousands of likes about how I failed and how I've screwed up and I was like I had no idea what the fuck is happening and apparently it was like this whole group of people that agreed to not hate watch the show in order to not fluff the numbers to convince amazon that it's doing well and thus make more and I was like oh I don't believe in that I think that's retarded yeah like I I get well you you're angry at me for that but I never agreed to that I don't even think it's a good argument I think it's a really playing that game that's not us like if you if you wanted to have the discussion I think that's totally fair but the idea that if you watch it that increases its view count and thus its success versus the damage you do by breaking it down and I say damage the reality you provide of how good this is or how well written this is like do you really think that the increase in viewership provided by our coverage and discussion of it is going to outweigh the destructive force of not of what we may or may not say about it and then I was thinking to myself like yeah but what if it was good then you'll then you'll help it and it's like well that's fine that's fine if it's good if it's good yeah I like that right we want it to be good don't we and that and then I had this sort of realization I was like yeah we've never run this way we we at EFAP are like we're gonna watch the thing and then tell you how coherent it was and then move on to the next thing that is it the the whole like cultural element we we tend to sort of not not really into that um yeah but we'll discuss it if you want to but we really try to go for the whole robotic element of uh we just want to break it down and tell you how how well it sticks together or doesn't yeah we're lifeless puppets who don't understand art well yeah what was it were your lifeless shells of man or something that's like a fucking old-ass reference oh yeah something like that that is it we never have fun it's only a bit of goldie yeah um but you know and that's not to say that you shouldn't have these discussions and and uh and fights on your whoever shows or discussions you have and it's just not what we do and um and I don't think it's as effective uh the two options of ignoring its existence and hoping it goes away versus watching it and breaking it down on its terms which is what we do all time I think we like to do it we like to fucking go in there and be like all right was this any good all right because today we're gonna be highlighting positives and what we have with potential negatives and I don't think that uh amazon because I started trying to make these arguments and some people like you understand amazon to amazon a view is a view they do not care if you're saying mean things about it now absolutely there may be evidence they really care about reviews just they clearly do care amazon have stopped people from reviewing it do you really think they don't care I don't know that was that was interesting well I guess it's just you know let's put it this way if you presented amazon with two choices one where they get to be in a world where everybody loves their show or one where they get to be in a world where everybody hates it that they're just like who cares you know like they're just completely indifferent to the response yeah so they don't like it when you're negative but that's we already know this is true therefore you should probably let you you known especially if it's going to be uh something you think is important to changing minds in terms of going against the grain that is amazon is doing great which by the way is a really important element that I don't think people are addressing if you keep an eye on the discussion of rings of power and you wipe out all of the uh people who aren't supposed to be hate watching it quote on quote you're going to wipe out the majority of the criticism of this show you'll be left with lots of big accounts being like this show's incredible it's even better than the original everyone should watch this now if you're a rando who um you know this this happened with game of thrones and uh tlj a lot of other things as well but you'll you'll get a guy who just you know will go will go just watches something and they're like oh man I feel this way about it I want to go check see if anybody else does on the internet and all they find is positive reviews will be like huh okay maybe I'm maybe I'm a bit biased here you know yeah okay fair enough um so why uh you know what why would you take away all the voices they're gonna be helping you break it down because if you just have people saying I'm pretty sure it's bad I haven't seen it you know how bad that looks for like criticism and um if there is this sort of culture war this fight that people are referring to then you're gonna want to have the best arguments on you rather than just saying no I'm pretty sure it's bad um um oh we got a super chat just come in this relevant to this conversation you say stop supporting this trash as you support said trash by watching it don't you think that's a little hypocritical well if you want to go by how much support is given don't you think by being hypocritical of it to the point where our audience tell us that my regularly if not all the time that they do not watch the stuff instead use us as a conduit to understand just how bad it is as opposed to watching it themselves then ultimately we are not supporting it would that not be true is this like I guess is that I guess it surely this isn't a real thing that we have to deal with yeah this is the thing like are you not supposed to watch it like when is this ever applied to anything we've ever covered ever I didn't realize this argument actually got some weight so there's people who actually I thought it was like almost a joke yeah um I didn't think this was something people actually believed that uh when you review a thing incredibly negatively that that's helping it I didn't think that people thought that that's apparently no one could be stupid enough to think that they do and I don't know how else we can provide the arguments to explain how this works um corporations hate having negative reviews uh absolutely if they didn't then how come they constantly do all the shenanigans they do with review scores and whatnot and uh we recommend that everyone give it give it a second and let us uh go through it and then see if we recommend it I've already said that there's a chance that I'll recommend House the Dragon by the end I'm not doing it yet now um and that and that's from the angle of we're trying to sort of make a difference if you will that that would be the approach I think is best to have just a couple of people reviewers assesses critics whatever watch it and then give you guys a you know an assessment and then recommend or not based on that um the idea that if we all just don't watch it it'll go away it's like I don't think you realize how many people are watching this and celebrating it so you've got no other angle to it it's just gonna it'll just go on amazon's frustration right now is that people are giving it negative reviews you like if you this this battle is sort of happening whether you want to participate in it or not if everyone who is going to be oh because you'll probably I mean I guess you said it earlier in a really good way that if you just think it's going to be terrible and you're going to be very critical of it and it turns out to not be good then your reviews out your your voice out there is not going to exist I mean to be fair your voice should be squashed if you're going to say it's terrible without watching it and you're wrong yeah you've got no value to the discussion at that point so uh you know being like stop watching the trash stop supporting it it's like hey I ain't spoiling it this is certainly not what it would be considered no one said don't watch The Rise of Skywalker no one said don't watch Doctor Strange no one said don't watch Black Widow all this stuff because we've had it's just a stream of trash coming off of you know Disney and whatnot no one ever said don't watch that no one said don't watch Kenobi you know I I guess this is the one that we've just come up with this very bizarre rule about you don't even need you don't even watch it what if it's good yeah because when you don't God I'm just annoyed so a lot of times we hear people say it's like oh these guys clearly haven't watched the thing they're talking about when we obviously all watched it and then now all of a sudden we don't you're not supposed to watch it yeah like taking pride in not watching it at all but simultaneously arguing it's really bad I just don't that's the position that's ready to crumble apart yeah it's like oh why didn't you like it's like I just didn't watch it didn't hate watch it's like oh yeah like guys what are we this is exactly what people say about EFAP and its work all the time yeah I don't have to watch it I know it's bad like that ain't uh that either way we want to go about this okay we would rather tell you what it is how it's failed if it's failed and whether or not to uh well whether or not to support it and we're gonna make it clear as to what opposition on that is eventually it's not any sort of attitude that I want to foster in my community this idea that you like you don't even watch it don't even like like what plug your head in the sand like an ostrich and just pretend it doesn't exist and while other people are out there and they watch it and then they put out their good reviews of it and your discourse just doesn't it doesn't exist to counter it and the same thing like if you looked into it more you'd understand this better it's like I understand it perfectly I just don't think it's a good argument I never have yeah EFAP has never thought this is a good argument yeah I think this was spearheaded now because there was like this article that came out that said uh the this show depends if amazon studios is gonna continue or something I think that's where this all started with but then our argument the argument still stands the same because if you don't watch it and there's all these people giving them the good reviews and all the people who don't want to watch it won't be saying it's bad and why they're gonna be like oh that was a triumph then we're gonna make 17 more yeah this is the thing you can run the logic in all the different ways you want but we'll just have to look at examples right so you got terrible take from all of the opposite of love is indifference less conflict equals don't feed algorithm equals less less successful so you know how that bat woman show got cancelled even though it got completely covered and run into the ground remember that resident evil show on netflix that got covered to hell and back and went into the ground you really think the coverage of it negatively will keep these shows alive i'm sorry you're wrong you are incorrect and trust me the world with e-fap and friday night tights and critical drinker and everyone else are all silent on whether or not this show is bad for what it is that doesn't that doesn't damage the show i'm sure amazon would much rather critical drinker and as and ourselves not talk about it then come out and say that it's terrible and you shouldn't watch it yeah i'm sorry this i know you're all very passionate but this just doesn't hold up and trust me in the long run this will do much more to make a difference to break it down on in fact i'm i'm quite happy with the fact we've got so many different angles to this like obviously what you're going to be seeing today is if i break this down from within itself we're going to try and keep references to anything outside of it to a limited if not zero they're gonna be a couple times i'm going to want to talk about how they did certain things in other things but not in the sense that hey this shouldn't be this way because it was like this in the other thing we're going to try and beat it on on the terms of what it is itself um what a great thing to just hear from me that this is the thing now what you don't supposed to watch it it's like for me it is like the first time i'm going through this whole sludge hole we'll cover everything as well you final and i'm going to be hearing and i'm going to be hearing people saying oh you shouldn't have watched it it's like oh cool the final aspect is worth mentioning some people like you see when you go on your amazon prime account you hit place like that's algorithmically gonna tell them blah blah blah it's like huh we're not going to tell anybody how to consume a show all right nor will we explain exactly how we consume shows you may think whatever you want about how exactly we make no claims no claims are made at all uh you go right ahead and assume whatever you want about how exactly the show was watched ultimately though what we're saying is wait until the season's over and we'll tell you whether or not it's recommended um and from there you can do whatever you want if you're concerned as to whether or not your view will help amazon thrive i.e it's gonna cost a couple of views in exchange thousands will be taken away very simple utilitarian mathematics i suppose as dr strange was all about this okay uh our sacrifice will mean much more in the grand calculus of the multiple of the algorithm grand calculus of the algorithm uh but this didn't come up with kanobi i don't know where that was so people weren't as passionate about that i i'd still know i hate this attitude i'm not going to foster it in fact i am starkly opposed to it yeah i'm i'm pretty much i think that's it um i'm hoping not to cover this again because i thought it was bizarre that it got traction like the whole i don't watch it that's precisely what they want it's just like we'll be fine don't you worry uh they fucking hate that we exist saying the things are bad trust me on that one so uh the other angle i was going to talk about was that yeah i was getting i've seen a lot of almost more viral than the ones that are negative post praising the show saying it's fucking great phenomenal there's these weird articles that are coming out saying like this is the cinematic masterpiece better than the original trilogy and it's just like um okay well at least we didn't watch it yeah i uh so um i guess that's that almost is the final argument in the final nail in that coffin seeing so much praise for the show i was like holy shit i uh i had no idea that it was going to be getting this much coverage in a positive light so i'm more than ready to discuss what actually happened in it to let you guys know and to maybe give give an opinion or two about how how it's going um i had a lot of fun on friday night tights last night i recommend you guys check out we wrote ripped it to uh threads not to give an idea of exactly where we're going with this but uh yeah the the sort of wider context for this was was i was relatively unaware of a lot of the meta surrounding it um i i had been shown bits and bobs here and there but like i uh i was more than ready to just be like all right let's just give the show a chance like i do with everything else and um yep well we had results so i guess is there anything else or should we just get into it i i think we can just get right into it no sense uh i guess i know mm i was thinking maybe we could all give a give a blurb but i wonder if it's just better to go as we're probably relatively similar and we can just go i imagine we probably are um i think i imagine we'll all probably line up on this has fringy seen it did you see it mm-hmm okay and that has as well so the excitement it begins um so yeah we begin we're gonna be getting a galadriel is our main character and we're we're going back in time quite a bit this is the second age from what i gather and this is the thing like i said i'm gonna try and just go from what they tell you in the show as opposed to gathering from other sources but there are you know it's just tempting sometimes to be like oh i know galadriel i recognize that one there's a how neat and yeah we see her in the beginning playing with some other some elf kids and they're all like you you fuck what are you doing and she's she's making a real cool bit of origami to the point of uh it's just it seems you'd you'd argue is it magic is there magic attached to this origami thing is bad is it fucking impressive it's uh it's a former it's funny she says they're like is it gonna float and she's like it will not float it will sail when she puts it in the water i was awkward like oh that doesn't have a sail i said the same thing to myself watching it all it's like that doesn't have a sail lied to me but that's the thing she's made one of the most impressive origami ever that like unfold as it's going and it becomes like a dragon boat it's uh it's so impressive they had to use computer graphics in order to does make you wonder it's like because it can't it can't be just can't be done i suppose but she seems to do like chanting thingies like like she's doing magic with it i guess is she doing magic but i don't even know anymore because you just you could never quite tell i mean she's because she's kind of doing like the noises like the the whispers and then it does the thing maybe it's alive maybe she's just insane i don't know seriously it is a an incredible bit of origami and i completely understand these children getting upset over it in terms of jealousy and just be like you got to knock this person down a few pegs you know this is unacceptable in elvish they were saying i wish that i could make origami votes as good as gladrile exactly yeah she's so very she's so incredibly talented and she she really isn't like other girls nil bulia so very mean and she tackles one of them i think and then her brother's like yo chill out and uh you can tell they're already characterizing her as she doesn't she's gonna she's gonna fight back when people pick on her right she's that she's that kind of character i guess okay she is our main gal for this i was gonna say season but i guess it's probably the whole show the expected five seasons of this they ain't gonna get rid of her she's there they really like you know to damage technically homage you she's got a whole life ahead of her that's gonna need to even the third of the ages um oh yeah her brother brother picks her up we get the first sort of like we hang on what like do you want to know why a rock sinks and a ship doesn't oh this conversation can we can we have we're gonna have to have a just discussion at some point about pointless flowery conversation yeah yeah i was also i pause this and like you couldn't just get a like a rag or a or some wet paper and put it over your knife you had to do that too like even that you have to CGI you know oh is the paper on his knife CGI is what you're saying i think it looks like it i can't even tell look at it and it looks like a picture at least now it's just come on guys it that must be really disheartening to an actor to be like now we're gonna CGI the thing on your knife so just act like you know it's on the knife i can see what you mean it looks a little bit awkward but i don't know i could be told that's physical and believe it i guess i don't know oh no you're right it does look odd actually yeah it doesn't move very naturally and it's not yeah it's not um it looks stiff yeah why would it be stiff it's wet paper it'd be all floopy because motion costs money they had loads of money well and we'll have to get into that earlier or not earlier later earlier it's past we can't we can't cover it earlier now you gotta have your gotta have your head to the head to the future and you're back to the past you have to kill the past or something but we're we are going to have to have some conversations one of them was the flowery language it doesn't mean anything conversation horseshit and the other thing is how can you spend so much money to make such a fake ass looking world but we'll get into that we'll get yeah because i i'm gonna just push back a little bit there's some things i think look real pretty but there are some things i think well there are some things yeah there are some things that look very pretty and there's a lot of things particularly environments to me that look very not real um but yeah when someone says to you why does a ship float in a stone doesn't i like i legit if i was i was forever like man where do you want to stop there are so many reasons like i remember we were watching and i was joking and i was like well it's because the boat displaces more water than it weighs or something like that like you know we've we figure this out we could build boats like that that's you don't assume that to be some sort of a crazy philosophical um like like metaphorical sort of question it's like let me talk to you about boats why does a boat float and then and then you give your answer and then that relates to maybe something right you don't instantly start off with this incredibly unhelpful confusing metaphorical conversation about truth and discerning false hoods of reality like this is awfully heady i'd say so uh also irrelevant to her situation currently i guess because she made the origami but no yeah you're i don't know why she made the origami boat she got bullied for it and then he's telling her about here's how you discern truth from you know fiction and like this like listen this this doesn't help me at all right now i'm a little emotionally compromised because all the other elf children believe me this does not help my situation whatsoever so that's the thing when you're sort of like trying to guess where they're gonna go with this it's like all right different student stone on a boat you know i'm trying to try and then he says well you know the stone looks down yeah the stone only sees downward before you even carry on you're like wait stone only sees downward i don't know so what about like mountains right are mountains only looking downward or just individual stones how far does this metaphor just fall apart but like it just keeps going getting weirder weirder it's like the darkness of the water is vast and irresistible like to the stone really yeah i remember the stone looks down because the water's irresistible i'm get lost have you ever seen snoopy come home i haven't all right snoopy come home is a it's a peanuts movie about snoopy like he goes off to visit someone that he used to know and then da da da and there's a part in it where linus and charlie brown are at the shore of a lake and then charlie brown picks up a rock and he throws it into the the lake and linus says charlie brown it took that rock millions of years to get to shore and now you've thrown it back charlie brown just goes aww and he's sad because charlie brown's he's a fuck up he can never do anything right no and that's what that's what this scene from rings of power reminds me of well it's a wonderful movie i really yeah that's the deep peanuts lore i really like snoopy come home it's got some really great songs in there super groovy um so yeah there's just this variable is to keep track of in this like metaphor whatever it is the the making she's already a child so it's gonna be hard enough to keep track of everything but so like you'll you'll stone in this seas and desires darkness uh and that's what the water is vast and dark it's just like okay and then he's like but the ship that feels darkness driving moment by moment to master here and the docks is trying to pull the ship under like wait so the stone wants to go to the darkness the ship doesn't then the darkness will grab you and pull you down if if you try and resist is that is that right i am i following the really it's mostly about the motivations of the ship and the stone rather than what they are i guess well because when when glad you're swimming later on right and the the the ship bits float by that ship it was not striving moment by moment to master the water and pour and i i don't know this is this is not the thing you tell an adult let alone a child it's it's it's this flowery very like ah prosy poetic sort of conversation that you have and it doesn't really relate to anything it's not it doesn't have any applicable wisdom or knowledge to it it's not going to matter to the person you're telling it to it's extremely out of place it's kind of it's like there's so much self-flating going on when it comes to the writing for this it's like someone who watched lord of the rings and they didn't know why that worked but they still tried to copy it um almost like a like a like an ai trying to recreate the lord of the rings in a sense and i think this conversation is right off the bat our first big example of that kind of conversation that's utterly pointless and meaningless and is not helpful it's a conversation that's supposed to exist for the audience to listen to and for us to go ah oh it's so deep and all meaningful but it's just it's empty and shallow and useless oh and it felt like it was like oh we're in for this are we like yeah yeah not a good first impression you got all that and that he's like but the ship has a secret like wait wait wait now yeah you're adding even more variables it has a poop deck what does this see what how does that work it's like for unlike the stone her gaze is not downward but up right so the stone was looking down the ship was looking up but the darkness is grabbing the ship down meanwhile i guess it doesn't grab the stone because the stone is just heading down anyway well the stone just wants to go down so that's why it sinks so easily i guess because the stone is a fucking piece of shit yeah fuck stones all right um but boats i would figure boats go forwards right boats aren't going upwards they go like yeah like a bird looks up right like a tree you can even say a tree is growing upward the implication is using arguably that to as a guide he's like the light guides like the the stars maybe is what he's referring to so the root of all of these problems with this analogy is that they had one thing that they wanted to achieve which is i guess what is meant to be the theme of the show which is oh when it's too bright you can't see like the bad things like that's that's like what they wanted this uh the scene to convey which i think it's fair to say some will pick that up some will be baffled her response was like what it's the one to punch it's his preachiness and her bizarre response it's practically a non sequitur i would yeah i would even go as far as saying it's just like you know um a stitch in time saves nine right is a thing that people say it just means solve the problem early on and it'll be much easier to solve than when it's left alone and it becomes much worse later on the prevention if a child responded to you same but what if your needle is broken you're like oh but that's not really it's a metaphor yeah like you're like that's not a metaphor does remind the needle the needle isn't an actual needle well that would be a useful way to maybe describe what metaphors are and what what symbolic languages and you know epithets not to be confused with epitaphs very different but you can you be telling what epithets are and you know what i think i was too generous with that it would be more accurate to say that her response would be what if see like stitching it makes it much worse or what if stitching it is actually not stitching it you just be like these questions are like i'm sorry what basically for those in chat wondering she says but what about when the light shines so brightly that it bounces off the water and it makes you think the water is actually the shiny thing it's so bizarre i've never had it's just it's like i'm here but in a bad way you know how when you have a scene and you say wow i feel like i was actually there and they normally mean a good thing this is the the negative version of that where i feel like i was there and they were talking to me as an audience member and ignoring each other mm-hmm yeah and and she's like so which light do i follow that it's like well it follow what it's so bizarre metaphor you are in a boat and the light is shining from the sun theoretically and it bounces off the water to the point where it's so bright you can't even tell which way is up it's like i think you got other problems at that point yeah you've got a bad case of her we got to bring you back to the valinor or something because it's shades yeah middle earth doing a number on your elf brain so yeah i like trying to understand this i was like what the fuck and then what is his response how does he you know square away all of these complications with his metaphor um like whispers to her and i think is this something we get later or is it just something we never find out i don't think that that i don't think we get it we do get it we do it it's yeah it's uh right before the end of episode one oh okay but uh oh wait this is episode one also name of this episode his name is fin rod it's a beautiful name um fin rod is a very yeah i just want to clarify this and she jumps in the water at the end that's so deep dude wow that's very deep yeah the the angle that he adds on though that you gotta discern it for yourself which means all the advice up to that point was just useless you gotta figure it out but it's like uh did you hear everything i said yeah just try it out man yeah and then he says like i won't always be here to tell this stuff to you which feels really weird coming from a race that doesn't die unless an immortal race like sort of thing yeah it does feel weird i won't always be here it's like but you like you you will right you won't always be here all down the stairs yeah any more or less than she will it doesn't quite for me it doesn't quite matter it's more of a thing that men or the race of man would say that they're younger it makes more yeah when you because like she'll be just as you know like when you guys but both like fucking five thousand years old you're not going to be like ah yes my very younger much younger sister at that point like you guys have both lived for a real fucking long time yeah uh the idea is like yes but i will still die before you it's like not necessarily at all actually with how yeah kind of you hit that middle age as an elf and you just sort of linger there right and then you keep living with i guess it's odd but they're used to it just to clarify some people like if they're immortal they wouldn't die so immortal in this case meaning they live for as long as they're not killed and i know that sounds retarded but what i mean is that they don't age they you know as long as they left you know they would fall off a cliff or get hit by a bus but they won't you know they won't so i have that line written down i i don't know if it's actually the line anymore because i don't remember the whole speech he gives i know for in rod's speech yeah do you want to keep it for for the end or should i just say it and then you can um i mean i'm not too bothered by jumping around on this um but because it won't take as long to get there obviously on the episode your question is whether or not you want to talk about what he says in relation to the the bow at the end of the episode right yeah no because you were wondering if we get it and i think we do get it but i'm now i'm not sure anymore if it's not just a normal flashback to what he said before but it seems like that's what he what he whispered no it does flashback it does no i think that was saying does it just flashback to what we already heard rather than what yeah we don't hear um well here we'll talk about when we gather i figure actually okay okay it won't be hard because like i said it's only an episode an hour and it's more so like 20 minutes worth of things um that's yeah you got all that and then and then they give us the lore dump which is that um and again i'm going to treat this like we don't know anything so they had a big old tree that was a source of light in their little little elf place and a big bad guy called morgoth burnt it or destroyed it real mean under your tree yeah we don't like him on nassle uh you uh you and lord and so the elves are like well fuck that we're gonna send our armies to go fuck him up and so let's join they they send a whole big so there's no sun yet right there's no sun yet it's just the tree that's very bright um i don't even have a commentary i don't know i have a very different question so the way it's presented it's like oh everything has been nice and dandy up until this point why do they have a army or is there just some information i'm missing that there were wars before that um because the way they portrayed to me is like oh everything was like super cool and chill up until then but then they burned our tree and then we send our armies and it's like why do you have an army well maybe they made they constructed or forced in an army once this had happened um you know there's there's plenty of ways that could come about i suppose uh i do wonder about the logistics so morgoth chills out in middle earth but he did jump over to valinor to fuck with their tree and then he came back to the middle earth like i you know and i'm not saying this doesn't make sense i'm just like i don't think they really gave me much to understand this i was just like okay he went back to middle earth and they're gonna go get him yeah it's it's not as succinct as the lord of the rings opening i don't know why you'd compare it to that rags oh i i guess it just occurred to me i guess the thought just floated into the name of the show is the lord of the rings the rings of power which again what a terrible fucking name just saying yeah um it should have just been the rings of power or something uh but i don't know i the the whole opening for this feels very that like they made a lot of odd choices in what to actually show and what to tell me um i feel like we did a pretty darn good job in the lord of the rings um just sort of setting things up and this feels less it feels more messy a little a bit more wandering in terms of the visuals were presented it felt more not only with the visuals but a lot of the music choices were strange um in this opening in particular yeah well uh i'll try and highlight one of the ones that i think that you pointed out as well when we get there we're pretty close but uh finally they've sealed the plot hole okay everybody see look what happens when the eagles go to mordor they get fucked up yeah they get fucked up look at this now imagine that eagle that got fucked up was carrying a little midget with magic ring exactly that would not been good uh so yeah you why did morgoth destroy the light of the tree did they don't say do they think he's just an asshole oh that tree is bright burn it what a dick am i right does he like suck the power from it or does he just he's just sick of all this light i think so because he's evil oh he's definitely he's okay capital e damn okay so they have a big ol fight uh and we see the the the brother is getting and getting involved feeling a bunch of big ol fight here uh a bit weird like there's like three orcs or i mean he gets the point being like five around him look like they're just trying to go for a hug i'm not really doing anything else but hey it's like a mosh pit at this point yeah everyone's just everywhere and uh yeah you know and it's just like so the big fight happened and they're like you know they said it would be over quickly but the war left middle earth in ruin like how how large of a like how how how large of a fight was this that it left middle earth and ruins that must have been some crazy fight yeah spanned across everywhere i guess that's the thing we don't get a lot of info on sort of left to the imagination a little bit which i guess is fine in terms of we need just the information we need to understand the story that tell in this show but um you know i get distracted by small things i've i've said this in it on friday night times as well but you see gladrials like mourning the dead lots and lots of elves and they just have this shot it was in the trailer what is this you steer me up more than dead elves you mean the helmet pile the helmet pile is so stupid yeah that that takes so much work like this is a piece of art on iran and to animate it in cgi this is an artwork to get this to be this perfect and to stay still um and uh yeah this will be one of the counter examples i would bring in like do you remember the the big pile of smoldering urukai in uh and orcs i guess in in two towers i was just a legit pile of things that they made and they were burning it to go yeah of course we got to make this pile for our movie fldings for doing it this perfect yeah i actually yeah right i said you'd need a crane constantly little elf crane you'd have to throw the helmets and then hope that they sort of stick so there'd be a lot of times where they threw it on it is like bounce off and they'd keep trying to get like you're playing basketball with the helmets trying to get the snack just right and then more and more just fall down when you throw it and fail and it's just yeah and i think it's very silly i thought it was fun as well just that if some guy was like oh this belongs to my brother i'll take this helmet and he takes it and it's like a few more full and then a few more full from where they were they'll just my brother's at the bottom uh you know it's i gotta have this helmet i know it's gonna come crash but i gotta have the helmet so i mean it it that's what they are the ones who stacked it up you can see they even got two helmets just outside of it on the floor like like to show it see it's not perfect it's like it is it's very perfect look at it uh incredible you could put this in a graph and it would look normal yeah to me it's a matter of uh you know any normal person would be like oh it's it's to represent uh the the great loss of life it's it's not supposed like why are you looking at this way yeah i just think it's an amateur way to present it i'm sorry i just think it's silly yeah you could have done this by like having a narrator who might have sounded sad or maybe an actress who looked sad or it's just something else because i just see a pilot a helmet and i'm like oh i guess a lot there's a lot of dead elves which i don't i don't really care about a lot of dead elves yet like in this story you know i don't i don't really feel a connection yet to this world um so trying to lay on the emotions i think that's enough in the opening to say that i mean if they'd shown a series of corpses i guess or a whole field of just death and blood i feel like that would get the point across better than this music matched better that might help oh yeah that sounds almost triumphant and like happy and hopeful this music or it's it doesn't feel like it matches the tone of what they want to say because if you were to look at this image of the massive helmet pile and then just say oh yeah imagine music imagine orchestral music over this you probably wouldn't be thinking of what's actually playing over it i love this poetry silly is a style issue not very objective so i already highlighted all the ways this the helmet doesn't make sense i'm also saying i think it's silly yes i think it's silly i don't think the music matches that not everything we do is strictly objective sometimes we give subjective opinions and explain ourselves yeah when i say something silly and yeah i guess that's not really objective kind of the point of the way we got us no everything we say is objective everything we'll have to go over it every even the people who fucking like this show might even make the mistake of being like wow that's not very objective we're not always like that we want there to be a difference we never said that we never say something that we feel jesus um so they they casually just say like that we defeated is morgoth it's like yeah it would show that oh this this war lost yeah centuries here's the helmet pile also we won yeah we beat yeah i just saw we beat morgoth i was just like we didn't even get to see him like okay we saw saran get beaten and the lord of the rings opening i guess i'm referencing that for some reason i don't know it just pops into my head every once in a while weird that was cool to see the final battle and his finger and he shrivels up and explodes and you know his silder grabs the ring that was neat but in this we get to get you invested and in the movie it's like damn look at all these soldiers and there's so many and there's this big five we see a skilder watch his father get killed and we're like oh that's yeah he has like a reaction to it it's like oh poor silder they may not have had the rights to show it i think it's weird that they'd have the rights to say it uh like use all the names and to say that it happened but not to portray it but maybe um so well um we got uh that that's just that's just actually happened there also like but he's still got a servant that remains called saran a lot of people going nuts over this uh this this visual here before we move on up just this uh the scene here where she's got that first helmet um that what a thing to wear in this scenario you know i guess that's what they it's a little bit picky it's a little bit picky but not it wouldn't have been my choice of wardrobe if i was gonna come out here after a battle to clean up the mess not i don't yeah i i wouldn't have worn this i you know i agree i wouldn't have worn that either i wouldn't have worn that would not have been my first choice i would have probably worn gloves uh i don't say my fan is too loud i can barely hear it myself why are my subtitles in arabic now i didn't talk to do that say every that's how she had to put it on the helmet on top she had to climb all the way up it's either that or the basketball maneuvers yeah maybe they just all throw it generally and the pile just sorts itself out it's like oh my god i can't believe that worked god damn i imagine just off screen there's a little guy who sorts it all out from let's them put it wherever they want and then he fixes it my pile no way she's climbing up that with all that all that falling you know what you know maybe because this is the part where she says now we learned many words for death is like you know what would have been really meaningful is like maybe if you cried like you had tears if you showed an emotion that just wasn't resting bitch face maybe she's very very stern that's what they call me trust me i'm sad is a is is a choice that you could make narratively so uh yeah saran he's he's around look at him go people like this is fucking glorious and amazing as a shot and i'm just like uh i forgot about that shot yeah it's neat i mean it's just it's the cool factor look at him yeah look at him yeah i mean it's a neat shot you know you got you got all his minions they're like all right boss we're ready to go to the battles or whatever it is we do and saran's like yeah let me just let me just be up here for a bit looking out over all of you minions i'm so proud of what we've accomplished yeah me too boss you've done a lot together yeah and then and then she's like my bro he died and uh because he was looking for saran but unfortunately saran found him first and killed him also not something we get to see yeah and and put his mark on him and she was like you know what fuck that i'm gonna take up my brother's quest yeah i guess we'll find out she she did she dropped a tear there rags look oh oh yeah she does that twice she does it on the the on the little ship ship rocky thingy there's like there's a single tear that comes out of her eye almost feels like um it like her face doesn't really give it off but that's fine you know just yeah maybe she's just that maybe yeah just so we can stand okay uh so yeah it's very sad but she's gonna take up the job of finding saran she don't fuck him up um so yeah they're like they they hunted him throughout all of middle earth took a while more centuries pass yeah which they seem very casually it was just like damn a long time so this could have been thousand thousand years already that we saw in this first couple of minutes uh a lot of centuries that just go by lots of landscape shots you know they're up to all kinds of things looking yeah that saran that pesky saran just running around doing his own thing and that sack of shit after boats which takes us to um they're like scaling a fucking huge frozen mountain thing and the first thought i had and i think a couple people do is just like was this really the best there were like way you could do this was there no other way this was this was a horseshit there's no way you're doing this seems i saw that absolutely the thing about mountains is that you could see them from a very long distance away so you could plan your route to include not scaling up of a massive vertical ice cliff with your knives um yeah maybe saran's at the top of this mountain we gotta climb up to find him that's one of the first things the equipment she's climbing with her fucking knife what and and they're a little pointy feet well yeah so just there's there's so many things to consider in terms of like safety and efficiency but she uses the knife and but the other ones have like actual like climbing gear hooks uh we see a lot of that knife that knife is her it's her special weapon oh yeah so they're all the time cool cool and she like jumps she like jumps and stabs the ice and everything which seems so unnecessary but it's cool looking that's all i got what is the oh cool trailer shot right yeah it is yeah um pretty much the fucking point of it but um oh just watching i was already like they don't have provisions or animals with them they're just they don't have like jackets or coats they must be cold as fuck up there yeah um well they'd be struggling to get up there and i think they eventually show she's like a herring command of a whole bunch of elves who like i said these guys are set to kind of find sauron yeah um and yeah they they only very narrowly make it to like uh let's just say a platform of some kind like a level of safety and they all look up and she's just going right on ahead she's fucking speed running this it's just already just like really hell this this thing could have been like a whole season climbing this thing it's but yeah we're all good it's fine um and i think it's supposed to give you a sense of the grand scale and adventure they go on for discovering whether or not sauron is around um but it also i guess informs the attitudes of her her elven compatriots yeah we are tired of fucking climbing can't we just walk around the mountain she's like no then i can't have my trailer shot um yeah he basically tells her that uh he wants to go back down which i thought was kind of funny right like after all that you'd think you'd at least search up here a little bit yeah we might as well we did come over to go i have ice on my face we have ice on our faces but why didn't we bring spots but what are we doing yeah we should have brought jackets yeah um and then he says uh as a point of like why we should bother you know how long can living flash endure with sunlight fears to tread implying that where they're going there is no sunlight so what are the odds of orcs and sauron being there which i was like wait hi probably isn't that like the whole thing with them they thrive in darkness isn't that the whole thing and didn't uh didn't he put out the big magic tree so he darkness is all right with him i said he likes darkness i'm pretty sure they're very pro they fought the orcs they must know about it yeah i mean mordor was like a pretty dark place and a lot of and a lot of times you know smoky and everything so that's yeah and it's just maybe my information is outdated and the old orcs actually really like the light i must have been it but i i just i thought this was weird i i was it genuinely comes across as a character saying like why would fish like water you know like um i don't know what to the point where on orcs like scared of sun it trolls like burning sunlight or turn to stone or whatever like yeah they did all sorts of nasty stuff is in the darkness i thought that's like the point the light is what you know like all the critters that come out at night you know they're not someone said it's literally in the show are you guys okay like yeah i'm i'm curious why an elf of a thousand years of warring and understanding the difference and necessary implications of orcs is wondering why an orc would be happy in darkness do you not you don't think that's weird that's really fucking dumb i don't know before they have their conversation they do that thing that they do a lot or they show in particular her like drawing her dagger and it makes the shink sound oh they like the shinks yeah she she takes out the dagger to point at a thing on the map and that's it and then she put it back in just use your fingers you have to show her you gotta show her drawing that dagger out again because someone said yeah it's just the fact that they they don't know the law it's like i don't think the show knows itself like i'm not even questioning whether or not it understands the law we've been we've been shown already that they're very preferable to the darkness that's why it's weird yeah that's that had me a little bit confused when i was watching it i was like that doesn't seem like something that you would you know say out loud only problem is you said sauron extinguish the tree i didn't if i said that i didn't mean to or morgoth morgoth did not sauron morgoth but sauron and him are like their their buds right they're pretty close i think yeah so i imagine if sauron wasn't okay with morgoth putting out the light tree then you know that that they are in cahoots so to speak so of course orcs like the dark he's saying the elves won't survive if they go there bro look at what he says it ain't that they aren't gonna survive it's why are the subtitles an arabic again it keeps changing the subtitles to arabic and speak the language he's trying to say that there's no point in looking for the orcs because he's pretty sure that they're fucking dead and then uh he's like how long can they survive with sunlight is not going to be there because uh i just i just think that it's a retarded thing to say that's all i i guess yeah he's how long can living flesh endure we're even sunlight fears to tread which so i guess it's referring to themselves like we're not gonna last long well wait hang on wait a minute orcs not living flesh that's news to me i don't know maybe like i don't know like the spooky thing like they're he could be referring to either himself or the orcs right i assumed he was it came it came right after saying that uh there's no reason to assume there's any more orcs so it's like if there's no orcs and the commanders are right and their enemies know more then we're just gonna hurt ourselves like we can't even endure here anyway and maybe the orcs are just dead after all this time so we should go yeah like well i mean we already know it's dangerous for the alice fucking it doesn't matter if there is sunlight if they're doing shit like this it's hyper dangerous yeah what i'm talking about is it's weird the orcs in canon are living i would have thought the orcs would be considered living yeah um so yeah i don't think that would that would mean he's uh like i said i i thought he was talking about the orcs because it came right after a line about the orcs um it's obviously the orcs over there okay i'm getting a little bit too confused i'm just gonna move on because regardless they want to go back they want to go back and get to see if uh what's up with with with everything because this has been this has been trying to say the least she wants to carry on and uh yeah that's why the scene doing this for a while is that like she's like the lights almost over it's almost night we're losing the light that's just how the conversation ends and she walks away yeah which happens a lot in the show the scenes just sort of end when i feel like the scene is not over like hey we all want to leave um you know darkness living flesh we we should probably go there's probably no more orcs just like oh we're losing light and walks away and that's our scene ending i'm like oh i that didn't really i feel like we should we had more to say so something i thought was weird is the they they move on and one of their party falls like it happens in the trailer and he's like wait oh yeah gotta help out and she's like no we keep moving they cut it off there in the trailer um but in the show she does stop and help them yeah sort of helps him she adds more weight to him uh well also i mean i just i just find it weird because it sells a very different attitude yeah maybe the trailer was trying to say that maybe yeah i think he didn't probably didn't collapse because he was too cold it's because he's fucking tired of walking against the wind they have to walk single file like sand people against the wind well they do that and then they need to help them then they just stop doing that and they just walk around fine oh so i don't i don't know what happened to free i hope he's okay i hope he's okay too it looks like he just went totally offline so i mentioned that is yeah seems like it's loomed up all the way yeah he's he's off on uh on discord but he also said he was feeling a little ill so i uh we'll find out we'll get it that's a mystery box for you everybody oh my god he's been cursed so um it's weird how they do this single file walk and then they have to help the guy and then it just walk around normally like there's no wind anymore it's really weird yeah uh it's disappointing that they have a conversation and it's almost as though there is no blizzard at all yeah um but okay and then it's super awkward too because he's like we should be there by now and then she sort of just looks and goes oh we are there it is oh we should look up this whole time there it is it's right there i this massive evil fortress is i don't understand yeah i was i was totally lost with this because this is constant lightning strikes right but they imply that a lightning strike reveals that this thing is here this is like i'm sorry just chat you can see this how did you miss this i feel like you can see this very far away because it what's weird too is that he knows to turn around and look at it when the lightning strike when the flash happens and that's like he knows to turn around and look at it like there's been some sort of like sound effect that you've discovered a secret in the video game yeah it's the tomb raider doodly dood I don't guess stuff like this sometimes when they're filming because they must have been like it's like wait we've been walking here this whole time you how did you not see this like you and then she turns around and looks at the other one well yeah there's like how did you go to look at both of them then back to back it seems to me that they have like a logistics thing of there should be this statue over here this statue over here and the thing we're looking for is in between them and then they realize oh we're between the two things that means we must be there and then they look we are just like yeah but look at this thing come on I hate the amazon player this is the third time it is just swapped the subtitles to arabic for no reason it's like vp in vpn on or something no oh okay weird ain't no one no one speaks arabic and arkansas all right fine but yeah uh so we're here um yeah I forget what do they say this place is like the last place they knew that orcs were or something like that it's like spookyville yeah terrifying um this is where they something yeah orcs gathered here for the last time almost escaped than we ever imagined you'd think they would have been they would have checked this place before it's been gathered this is where the orcs after morgoth's defeat she says which means they must have checked here before right you'd think it's been hundreds of years or something right like our timeline this an insane amount of time has passed um so yeah this is this like I said just that's why they're here to inspect to see if they can get any clues as to the you know where the orcs are now where sarron is now and we get quite a quite a famously interesting line from this show this guy is put his hand on on his torch and he's like my hand is past feeling his theory of course that he's lost feeling in his hand it's cold it's cold as fuck and she's like no no the truth is this place is so evil how evil is it the torches do not give off warmth wow that is evil that's evil which that's a new one I haven't heard that before I loved so fucking hard when she sat that man I couldn't believe that was an actual line that she said it's evil this place is really evil it's so evil torches this is one of them no war but it's like Jesus Christ why would you write a problem of just you know how fucking physics work or I think this is physics right includes classification it's like you can't have it's light like it gives off the way the fire would it's magic it's evil magic does that even make sense as an answer it's magic I don't even know that I don't know that it does the magic means the magic means that no warmth is coming off the torches because it's so evil I don't know that it's like saying he's a married bachelor yeah because magic like that doesn't I don't understand how magic no it's not magic is like it's a special sort of rule set that sort of can be blanketed onto things and as as long as I guess it's consistent here like I guess I don't mechanically have an issue with this special place being so fucking evil that it's like like an evil magic and torches don't give off warmth you don't take issue with evil stopping fire from having heat it's it's like evil magic fortress okay I don't know it's my quite I have other questions like do we not give off warmth like our bodies are we just gonna fucking die our blood is our blood gonna freeze in our veins because we don't give off warmth I have no fucking clue how any of it could possibly make any sense is it is it like an aura within this castle or whatever it is or yeah when you get to the door right and then like legally they have a like a domain right like and so when their their property line ends then you could start feeling the torch again or maybe it's progressive where in the center like that like that is that is thrown it's the most evilist and that's where the torch there's like no light at all and then the further you get away from it progressively then the more light the more warmth your torch puts out until it's just a normal torch again does that go for the body heat as well that's that's what I was asking earlier I was like body heat wise is our blood gonna freeze in our veins and we just die because if the torch can maybe it's just fire specifically like fire like all like we all know how much more got hates fire so he's awkward because in a bit we see something with heat happening so that's awkward yeah there is I I guess it's weird yeah I I guess there's something there that I'm like I'm less like eh like this place sure is evil I just I think torches don't make warmth having it be like super windy and cold in there and the torches just aren't as effective or something would have been fine you don't need to say it's so evil our torches are less heaty I just it would have been a better way if if they said that there was like some like some unnatural chill to the air because that's often regarded as like a spooky thing is that it's unnaturally cold and you shiver that's an evil thing they could have said something like that instead of going with the torch no warmy route could have been something else like oh it's like even like like you could really show their breath being super visible because it's that's how cold it is and or maybe the one of the elves says how come it's colder in here than out there something along those lines and and so he punches a wall of ice so she's strong to be fair to be fair mauler she does see her reflection in the ice and much like many of people much like many people in the audience she just wants to punch her man this this expression as she's punched she's very you might describe her a stone face she's yeah she's ice faced also the way she does punch it it doesn't even look like she's punching at full power it's just like no it's like that second time it goes through and it looks to be pretty thick so i'm like god damn you're very strong apparently yeah she's real crazy yeah she walked over to it she just sees her reflection and punches it i mean it might have been worthwhile using a tool but instead you punch the ice like an idiot by the way everyone at home everyone at home don't punch ice you'll hurt your hand it hurts don't punch ice it's like it's like punching a rock do not do it what why would you do that okay that's fine it's fine right along she's uh she figured out through the ice that says a door was filled in here yeah there's there's a secret little room behind this place fucking get rid of this wall i they probably used actual tools to do that i don't know they just sort of they just don't really show it just keep punching kind of y'all just start punching it like chris redfield and it's just like a door they they just sort of punch it and then they didn't see gi enough rubble i think that's part of the issue so they just sort of have this big old opening and there's just a little bit of rubble on the floor and so we answered however how she knew who keep uh she looked into the ice or reflection i think maybe the did was there it was a thin was that the idea i didn't look thin but i don't know i don't know um the other ones seem to have been using their swords and stuff because you see one guy putting a sword back in so they use maybe so he hit he used his sword to hit the ice i guess you i would have picked up like a rock or something instead of using my sword to try well if they're fucking climbing tools they can just use yeah there's like one hammer between them all i assumed they thought maybe that they'd need one i don't know just gonna be flying around to just hit it with rocks yeah like i mean the the backside of that pickaxe thingy they used to climb that has like a hammer thing i very correctly so yeah yeah maybe we don't see any of this but well you know they enter a spooky room where orcs were experimented on room um she sees this as like oh man this is we're looking this is lots of good proof but he's sort of he's sort of like nah this happened ages ago these orcs were meddling with the powers of the unseen world yeah how about that so i i i accept that all right i don't know what to say i i i will believe you that they were doing that one of them's like trapped in a wall yeah it's like yeah like it's like an episode of star trek dark sorcery of old and so she's like what's going on here what is this all about it's not even in that new fangled dark sorcery until that that old classic that good shit and so yeah she's like okay so uh you know i guess i said but then a snowflake falls on something and goes sizzles yeah she watch she watches it as it falls it doesn't even have to do anything she just really wants to look at this snowflake yeah in front of her it's just in front of her and it focuses on it she really really is interested in this snowflake it should just be sizzling all the time because it's still snowing inside this cave so there's just plenty of you're right actually why wouldn't they make it so that the sound made her go away what sound it should be steaming this whole time in one particular place yeah like oh what's this is this an altar or an anvil and they just sort of notice little as the snowflake said it yeah they didn't have to do something stupid like this this could have just been oh wait what's this weird sound as it just says like oh look at this that's odd i'm not quite sure how this works exactly but there's a there's a marker star on here and she drops water on it and it'll steams as though it's super duper hot and then it freezes around it um yeah apparently only the marks mark parts are hard because it is cold yeah so the so that increases the coincidence of her having to just randomly focus on a snowflake and that snowflake was the one that just happened to hit the tiny tiny tiny bit of the rock that was the symbol part it's very odd how they did i think it was the whole stone was was like evil um so how did they keep their own water unfrozen like liquid and wait a second if it's if it's so evil that the torches don't put out warmth then how come the rock with his symbol on it well it should be like the most evil thing of all oh okay he's i i retract my observation this is why that's what mel was bringing up is like his mark gives off loads of heat and yet uh the but the evilness takes heat away you're like i i sure maybe he's jealous like i'm the only hot one in here maybe he grabs it all up for himself he's taking it from oh yeah he sucks up the energy so that he could have a hot symbol maybe it's evil heat and evil heat is fine yeah that's true it's like a lava monster or a ball rock or then comes what i feel is a one two punch of strange lines one the mark of sorrow is here is a guide for orcs it's like a trail they have to follow it it's like oh i didn't know that was true but okay that's a hypothesis that you just came up with someone might be like why did you take issue with that it's like well is that not something all of them should know is that true is that proven and if it is and yeah we should be following this surely but if it's not and she's just made that up on the spot then they should be like what the fuck would you get that from it's one or the other right it's not just you can't have it both like she's telling him as though he didn't know and it's like but their whole mission is to extinguish sorrow from the world so they must know about his marks and they must know what the marks mean or she just made that up i don't know and surely his fortress would have his marks everywhere just anyway right yeah that's i mean that's fair but later on um i think it's uh it's elrond who says they looked into the mark and they're they're not like really sure about it or whatever it's just like so she did just make this up right i i guess though i i i do not know where she's getting this information wherever she got it i guess she hasn't shared this with the rest of her group or they're not aware of it and then as if that wasn't enough to make me be like she then says the last time i saw it was on my brother as if the orcs have to follow the brother's body as part of a trail of symbols what do you mean well if they find the brother maybe they'll find a more in fact they'll almost certainly find more elves and i remember everyone that that was centuries ago then yeah i last seen this mark while they were all out there for centuries hunting these fuckers if you don't forget that sort of thing you don't forget a mark on your brother's dead body of all the times they haven't seen it all times they've seen marks of sarron right she's concluded they they've designed someone they represent a trail for orcs to follow like okay so what are the what are the ones in total we've got got this one in this fortress like sure and we'll see the other one we've seen so far it's like the one that is on the corpse of my brother that is probably buried now it's just like so yeah really it doesn't feel like you've got much to go on but they they didn't tell me anymore so i they put this line right after it like the mark was left as a trail for orcs to follow it's like that's a piece of information what else we got the last one certainly a hypothesis last time i saw it was on my brother centuries ago so you've only seen two the one of them's on a corpse underground and you've concluded well to be fair it's much like it's just like america chavez's portals okay the mark on her brother led her here to this mark it's like a trail and this mark will lead her to the next mark i see total sense huh so yeah i was already totally plausible i was already super confused and then she says we must follow it and i'm like okay i just a little where i just wherever it goes like maybe it's pointing in a direction like the little prom yeah that's what it was but it's like just follow the pointy end i don't know and also like good luck doing that because what if how do you know where it's like once you leave the fortress like okay we have the we have the symbol in this room once we leave the fortress we're gonna have to have a really good sense of direction to know where that symbol on the inside of this fortress was pointing relative to outside of the fortress i i yeah i was getting so fucking lost trying to understand what the fuck's going on and then she's like it's a symbol of they're probably lying in weight gathering strength and he's like oh they're long dead i was like okay so you guys have been tasked with finding that out correct that's like your job you got to go i guess but every every orc is extinguished and they've been doing this for centuries but they're so they've been they've been doing this for centuries i guess but they were but later we learned that she was months past due yeah which is like i mean in that now he says we've exceeded orders months ago which is a good argument for going back so the only reason why i would say now if she's been months over and you haven't found anything for those months but now you just found this place like uh i guess i guess i'm stuck in between is like is that good enough reason to continue or not what what do you usually do when you find stuff like that because it sounds like you haven't found a mark of saran it's a pretty big deal right if you haven't seen one since centuries ago definitely showed me yeah even then how far are they from home because at this point you're like well we know the fortress is here we know there's a symbol we have been gone for far longer than we're supposed to the people at home might be worrying about us because we're months late that's probably something we should attend we can come back you know we've been at this for centuries what's another you know trip back and forth to regather strength to rest maybe to bring like a larger force now that we have a clue um we can come back here later the fortress isn't moving unless it's so fucking evil that it moves or whatever so we can come back later and do more i uh that's the thing that conversation never happens because i don't i don't know if the counter argument would be well we're here now so like but i don't know how much more she wants to explore she just says the north or going north so that could mean like i mean another whole century i don't even know or it could mean just go look and see if there's anything obvious or not i like i said i i do not know uh so yeah it's clear at this point they all want to go back home um yeah he's like not back home wants to get that that sorrow um i think that when we get the big old fight scene so fucking dumb um very shortly after yeah yeah because she says uh we got to wait until everything is clear that the the enemy is gone and i mean if those were the orders that's a finding that mark i think is good enough but he keeps you know he keeps saying all this is long dead so i don't know i just i kind of wish there was more discussion about it it sort of just ends yeah yeah we get this she says like i until we're certain that every trace of our enemy is vanquished she says i can never return home i can never return that's more of heroine i don't know you can take a break i guess yeah yeah and plus like you're leading and that passion though you know keeping going for centuries not bad yeah really not saying it's impossible just saying you know yeah i don't know if i could ever hate anything that much yeah you sort of just other things happen and then you sort of yeah it's almost just i just want to go home just want to take a shit at home you know um i'm gonna go poop in my own tree so this this poor guy's sound a little wander gave unfortunately there be a snow troll and he shouts out snow troll so and then it goes blah blah blah and uh that however the shouting the rumbling the screaming stuff that's not enough to alert galadriel and friend it was really weird it's a big fortress it's a big fortress they can't even well it is big but they're not that far away they just threw that little doorway the the fortress is so evil that their voice puts out no volume well then why did they get alerted by the volume in a minute well that's because they sense the vibrations in the stones i see of the running and the torch hitting the ground the troll fucks him up but they couldn't feel the warmth yeah he throws a big old ice block at him and they like and galadriel pops out and this part is weird right she turns up and she's a good i think two meters maybe three three meters away from the snow troll but if you'd like keep it on the time code she just sort of watches it annihilate everybody for a while yep she does watch a little bit um a bit awkward they have their swords on their arms like that i'm like what are you doing um and yeah this poor guy's just getting getting fucked up i don't understand a chance games guy he's a big old chungus but uh then we can't i don't i guess this is something they do he like draws his sword and uses it as a ramp for her um yeah they pre-planned this she knew exactly what's it this was i guess this is something they often do okay yeah that's really cool stand and maneuver before we do the jump i just thought i'll the way that all the elves just get like punched and everything was like what are you all doing a lot of them just like ran up to it and just got punched like what the fuck is wrong with y'all they were all doing a very shitty job it's not it's undeniable but yeah so she does this it's hard to fucking jump then oh god i want to make sure i think it's not even a ramp i think she he actually kind of froze her yeah he like throws her up with the sword is that what they were going for i didn't notice that yeah oh yeah he like lifts this once she he has that motion where he's like throwing her with his sword yeah whatever we're describing it's on the visuals probably i see what you mean yeah i can see it yeah yeah yeah it's a fucking dumb dude yeah this guy's gonna get it yeah it just looks it looks like bad wire work like it's really hard to not see how awkward this looks so yeah she slices it just before it's gonna get some guy and then she does flourish flourish to like what are you doing woman right there she should have just ran she would have been there faster if she would just ran instead of waiting for this oh man look at this editing when you because we did this with she hulk um it's a similar thing that happens right so you got swish swish swish and then like slice hard cut and she's already back to being like readying a stance okay and then hard cut again she's slicing it's like we're ah continue to the fight it's hurting my brain um yeah it's just slice and slice and slice and she's dominating beating up this this is to let you know that gladrile is not to be fucked with all right yeah she won she single-handedly kills the snow troll hey remember when really cool moment trolls were like really dangerous and a lot of the ranks um he just pokes it in the head and it dies it's very silly dude the the poke was really weird yeah um it was very strange all right thoughts on blood splattering onto the screen i didn't even notice that that's super fun i didn't notice it either i was kind of kind of i don't know where where is it when she when she cuts its jaw right it's that when it happens your frame that's being shown right yeah yeah oh i have to look at the strings uh i think i think it just like for a brief second kind of took me out of it it's like oh it's i don't know she was like a little bit weird in a fantasy show you know to acknowledge yeah oh i see what you mean yeah i don't you know whatever it's it's it is absolutely i wouldn't even say it's a nitpick it is a nothing but i'm interested to hear what people's feelings are on it that's what i'm saying my god it really did i think it's actually pretty fucking cringe i it i think yeah i think it's cringe it's trying to make it like she's even more badass she's spraying the work blood all over like you're a part of this like you're you're an accessory in the the witnessing this it's totally different it's just that it seems weird to me in a fantasy fantasy this is a fantasy show just so we're clear yeah fantasy i don't feel super out of place you're right fringy's also right i i it is weird because it makes me think of a camera which is not a very fantasy thing to think about i think john said in chat it's just like it took him out because it does not feel like it suits is way too gritty for something like what you'd expect from what the show was going for and i think that's pretty much the take i i don't know that uh this that yeah it i don't know how else to explain it um it was just like wait what it doesn't feel like an aesthetic choice that matches this genre at all which is doesn't mean you can't do it just okay that's happening which by the way does this happen again in either of the two episodes i don't think so i i mean i didn't even remember didn't even see this one so i i'm just glad i'm glad they didn't spray the camera with the chocolate cow milk that would have been nasty that was some great a hot cream or when or when the little one or when the nasty ass proto hobbits are squeezing berries and all that shits flying everywhere like i've never eaten before i don't want that on the camera no no i don't know that's not good that's that's a classic is that that is you almost in a bigoted way brought up this other thing called Lord of the Rings yeah i did and you were doing it specifically to talk about the efficient or the the the sort of scariness of a troll and how long it takes to kill those boys because if you remember i'm thinking of the moria fight specifically where we have the whole fellowship fighting the big ass troll in this one room uh to be fair plus a whole lot of orcs but we have a lot of very capable fighters there uh that are very very good at fighting very good and if i recall correctly it's been a while since i've seen the the the the the rings of the lords but as always at least two of them focusing the troll at once i think maybe maybe even three sometimes and they they are struggling against that guy and it's a very engaging fighter to watch and the Frodo almost even dies so yeah it's just much more interesting we see that this thing is actually really scary to fight even for these super good capable fighters that we've known to be yeah but very good at fighting and it's a very effective way to show how good our characters are but also showing that there are stakes to be had people are in actual danger and here we just have like ugly boogly slice slice slice dead yeah kind of yeah it's like aren't i a bad ass is like yeah aren't you this is writing opportunities is what people will probably call it um in fellowship you have them synergize quite a few times you have characters saving each other's lives uh barmy is kind of on awkward terms with argon of this point in the story he's already made clear why you'll understand better as well as the more you understand about the whole story but there's a point where barmy is about to be killed and argon saves him and he's like oh shit um yeah mary pippin sam and frodo all making a difference in this fight against this giant monster the fact that uh the orcs are event and the goblin sorry are wiped out and it's the troll that's left and everyone has to work together to take it down and you get obviously the is frodo dead sort of moment it's loads of feels very boss fighty yeah well i fucking love the the fighting more it's fantastic yeah it's awesome and it felt like a huge victory when they get him and that's why it makes even it's the fact that like we're like we did it right and then gandoff's like we have to run like it's something worse is about to arrive it's like oh yeah talk about raising stakes and stuff um you know in rings of power it's like the way she kills it isn't necessarily um you know like it's slice slice slice slice and it runs out of its health bar eventually um it's just like oh okay she just single-handedly does it and it looks like it was really easy she takes no damage it it's it's very like she looks bored like an annoyed that she had to do this and she was also watching her guys getting yeeted around for like a couple of seconds before even realizing what's going on or doing something you have the question of just why didn't you make it so that she arrives and there's someone else suggesting on fray and i tights like you have to be like she calls them by name and tells them what move they should take and then you know synergizes with friends to yeah run and you have to get hit at some point in such room where there's pillars or we got cover or a don't fight it out in the open or something i got something it's the word of the day i would even suggest using fire but of course fire doesn't have any heat anymore so i don't know if it's useful like to annoy the snow troll you think it wouldn't like fire but i suppose it wouldn't matter in this area um so yeah you're just like okay so it's a really awkwardly edited action moment where she just dominates uh while everyone else was shit it's like all right fine if that's what you want to do um yeah and right after that they're like fuck this we don't want to play your games anymore you suck uh i think at this point they've given us enough groundwork to understand why they want to go home they don't like this adventure okay it's not a fun one it's not fun anymore also she's stealing all the xp yeah didn't even share but you know it's one of those situations we just like i don't know if i don't want to walk around for another century i want to go home i'll play video games go home okay i think two centuries were enough commander can we please go home have like a shower or something it'll be nice yeah right so yeah i guess they decide to go back right because they'll yeah they're they're all like we're gonna we're gonna fucking abandon you they put their swords down yeah they do which um i guess is symbolic because you're not gonna leave them right you are gonna take them with you surely not yeah they need those you do good stuff against snow trolls for example fuck them up they they talked about this earlier because he pulls out his sword and she's like you the if you're gonna go you're gonna do so alone and one of them puts down his bow or like it's it's just like i had some time like we're putting down our weapons we're not following get quite the opposite of you have my sword and my bow and my axe you know it's it's you do not have them i'm putting them on the floor no one has them um so that's that's yeah that's your opening almost well i guess we you had the open that's our third scene or third event i'm trying to categorize this better but it's time to introduce the the half-foot which are like totally not hobbits i think i guess is the angle so check me up here because i'm i'm so confused what happened there they weren't allowed to use hobbits so they had to make up half-foot or apparently legally yeah they can't they can't touch hobbits something so they all i think what gary said was that there's there are no there are no anything in this era that the they want hobbits but they're not allowed them so this is the closest they they could get something like that okay um but uh people in chat will know better about this i i am not as aware all i know is that they currently half-foot are older hobbits okay proto hobbits hobin time it's hobin there so they're hobo erectus well yeah the first thing you learn is the they're not um they're not a clean people they don't they don't like being clean which is oh there no one likes moller no one fucking likes being clean in the show everyone loves dirty and covered in grime except the elves except the elves yeah except the elves and the one uh village protagonist who's allowed to wear color but apart from that everyone's just dirty and grimy and nasty imagine this fucking smell no i don't want to i don't want to uh yeah we get introduced to our i guess pov character for the half-foot which is nori um nori we see what about the two little traveler guys with a big-ass fucking i don't know what to say about them they're the two guys traveling with big old antlers things on their back yeah all right that's it it's all that what we get all right yeah that's about them um oh yeah and you got lennie henry is like talking about how that's a sign those travelers are a sign of something uh you'll say more of that as time goes on but yeah so currently nori is out gathering berries and i think the first line she has is something like um if we did everything we were supposed to do we wouldn't do very very much at all which is basically constant in all of her like intro scenes everybody's talking about how she's she's a person that doesn't do what she's told to do she's not like other girls they keep saying it over and over again why can't you just show it you don't need to tell me that when a character says you're not supposed to be out there fucking collecting berries you asshole and then she's like oh i wanted to that's already it you've already done it yeah you did it why not go out and collect berries that sounds like a really useful thing to do this spooky wolves oh my goodness gracious dangerous especially dragging all the kids with you which very true but she said the wolves on uh usually here at this time of year because things are things are getting more spooky i guess i don't really know uh so yeah they're out there just they're out grabbing some berries these these off-footers i love me some berries this is this is gonna come up a couple of times there'll be some scenes that we can spend a million years talking about all of it but then there'll be some where i'm just like um so they gather berries and then they see well it's basically it's almost all the hard foot scenes in this episode they're like oh we do this okay they don't just gather berries they eat them in the most obnoxiously retarded really gross i really i really don't appreciate any of like how they eat i don't know why they chose to do that but that's just not those i don't know if those these are dewberries or something or blackberries or every if they if they specify point being you don't like chomp through half of it and get it all over your fucking face like you're an infant and you're some disgusting creep no you just put it in your mouth and it's done and it's over i i completely dirty and nasty some people might think he's nitpicking i completely agree what are you doing woman like why specifically they they went out of their way to direct these nasty creatures to eat berries in the most disgusting messy way like you could and i want to know what what are you trying to tell me it's the angle that they were like people might not believe they've been eating berries they don't see it all over their face i don't know i was like okay i uh the chowen ride in ride down like but you're right yeah berries are very simple to eat very they're really really simple how do you fuck up eating a berry you pull it off the bush and you put it in your mouth and it's done it's it that's it yeah oh by the way before i forget about it because i thought it comes up later but before we get to this scene we see sardawg's weird prophecy book for the first time uh you know which one i mean like the book yeah yeah he's got a bunch of pictures in him and yeah but it's like oh there's the antlemann in the middle and then we have wolves next so it's like oh they're gonna get attacked by wolves then but that doesn't happen in the first episode therefore that so yeah yeah i i i wonder if this i i want to know more about this weird book who wrote it where they come from was this saron yeah was it saron who knows but enough of that elrond he's getting introduced now not played by mr smith all right big sad much younger okay this is this is by the guy who played ned stock actually in the flashback in game of thrones season seven or six it was six or seven i can't remember but yeah he's um and he's writing some um pros yeah karma is like a speech he's writing the speech he's writing for uh yeah yeah yeah because he gives that thing to some randies like give that to us for a ceremony it's like okay so i i guess before well no we're bringing up later this this place looks fake as fuck though well there you go i got a good shot of it real give your assessment rags go ahead uh oh on the screen let me and then this is i'm i'm getting black widow forest vibes from this like i just don't believe it you know like i can't like this isn't a real place i don't feel maybe it totally is but i just i don't know what it is like i can believe he can he's on a tree but a lot of places in this like nature locations and stuff it just feels so like they're in front of green screens all the time and they're not really in a world like i can't reach out and touch it for the most part of the hobbit the hardfoot stuff it sort of escapes this um but here with this elven stuff i just it's like i just get fakey fantasy forest vibes and i don't know what i don't know maybe it's just me no i get what you mean i think it's fair i i understand what you're saying it feels like they're on it could be that volume screen or um uh just regular try too hard maybe with the forest stuff instead of just putting them in a nice the lovely forest they have to go with you know the trees need to be this color and it's big clearing and there's one that he's sitting in uh like they're trying to make it too idyllic instead of just having a nice forest and having them have a just a gale time in it no i guess i should have mentioned as well the the reason they run away from eating their berries the the hardfoot is because they realize there's wolves in the area and and they're being watched by one on a cliff and another one turns up when they leave and i was just like was that just luck then because man if they'd attacked them they might have just been dead yeah well they ate a bunch of berries before so they're not hungry right now maybe the wolves were waiting for them to eat the berries to fatten them up oh yeah that's right if i eat a hardfoot that has eaten berries it's like they're eating the berries for me that works almost in yeah it's like a turducken but instead of a turkey a duck and a chicken it's a hardfoot and a berry oh it's a harby that's probably a really messy food to eat probably the word probably eats hardfoot cleaner than a hardfoot eats a berry i think so like that the the wargs just throw like arms and legs to each other and then they laugh when they catch it in their mouth and they spin around and do this gay dance maybe that's why the why the wolves actually didn't eat them they saw them eat you like ugh just go away like i know there's probably poop in there but i'm still now i'm not eating it now it's like oh basic like interaction these sorts of things right rags i believe is i like when we're checking it out but uh just you have someone turns up to to elrond and they're like you're not going to be permitted in the next council meeting it's only going to be elven lords and he's like all right then fine okay and he says anything else and she goes your friend has arrived and he goes well why didn't you say so it's like i feel like the first thing was a little more important but yeah it's just funny because this is like well i mean she said that was pretty fast she she got that information to you pretty quickly and to be fair you're the one that prompted her as well she didn't even finish what she was necessarily going to tell you you were just like is there anything else as if there wasn't anything else but it's just it's just strange it would have made a lot more sense if she was leaving and then she said it casually or something um it just it just strange dialogue again but that's mostly fine um and then yeah so uh it's it's gala drill has returned elarond is like woohoo we're in linden capital of the high elves that shot actually looks pretty good i like that one don't look for the landscape ones look pretty neat yeah landscape ones are good yeah that one looks all right yeah there's no one thing i know is it are there any like people in this uh vista like are there any people wandering around or is it just the location i guess there's one on the bridge yeah okay there's one on the bridge two on the bridge you have a good old-fashioned just annoying expression where she's like ever since i was a child i blah blah blah then he's like and look at you now commander of the northern armies warrior of the waist that's like yeah jeff shut up yeah she's great she's amazing it's not only that it's just her actual roles and then how how it's so like clunk it's just like okay all right didn't felt a little bit more natural with it especially when these guys have known each other forever as far as i gather um we have a lot of that we're gonna be pointing it out whenever we get to it they even have someone in universe point out that that's happening it's great um yeah the short version is that uh she broke the rules and he's like the king said it's fine don't worry about it just don't do it again yeah we'll have to see where that goes exactly yeah she's also given the um the the mark of sauron to to let him give a bit of a study to it and yeah and she's like i want to i want to uh audience with the king because i want to go out again i want to go hunting fuck up that sauron guy i was thinking do you need to appoint an audience when you're just like this super commander for your army i guess she's just not high enough rank wise to the demand an audience you gotta you're right back to this moment go to appeal to the next rank up which in this case is elrond i guess i don't know uh yeah so that's just a little update on on here and see this is what i mean about the way you guys have seen us break down stuff before uh we can go pretty fat i fucking hell it's so funny right i look at the timer like so we're almost at two hours uh shut up uh we didn't start for a little bit but i don't know it just feels like we're kind of now rushing through the episode a little bit but it's just there's just not much to talk about with those bits it's all very fine um yeah this is what this is what i was realizing when i was done watching the episodes and had all my notes like i mean there's there's a lot of things where it's just nothing to talk about yeah that's um i would uh i would describe this show as vacuous i just find it like really uh empty there's a lot of stuff like in terms of runtime sure but it's really empty and all of the characters say exactly what they mean and there's no mistaking what they believe in or what their arc is going to be or what's important to them you know speaking of that it's uh yeah our next scene is with nori and i was going to say a mum i i think that's him i'm not actually sure uh right another example of a scene where characters say exactly what they mean and telegraph the arc like in a way that isn't possible to misunderstand yeah and so she's like why would the way why would the wolves sorry don't we will be up here and she's like maybe there's trouble down south and the mum is like why would you care about that and then she's like haven't you ever wondered what's out there i want to see more stuff and then her mum person is like well elves have forests dwarves have mines men have grains and half-foot so just ripples in a stream no one goes off trail that's how we survive and it's like i get it nori will not be that person nori is going to be the one that breaks tradition she's going to go off trail she's going to do wild stuff ensures okay doki i just i think i've written down one sentence was like oh basically she wants to see the rest of the world and not just sure with the clan for the rest of her life got it i mean we've spent this much time and they've really only done that again and again they keep telling us how nori's not going to be like every other outfit it's like why are you keep you keep telling me this over and over again just show me what what's she like show me here yeah yeah so anyway uh we move on to where are we next oh back to the the elves again oh they're doing a little ceremony they're like yeah yeah so he just sort of gives us the information that this this little group of lads led by gladrial were meant to cleanse the world the remaining bad guys and they've done so yeah like have they though have they though because guys that that lord of the rings thing that comes out way later and it's about all the bad stuff even they've mentioned saran in that one so i'm pretty sure it ain't cleansed just yet but anyway they're getting their rewards they got a little crown get a nice little armor and they uh they are allowed to go to uh the the what are they called is the undying lands right that's the the blessed land of valinor at least that's what i've written down yay um but obviously all eternity gladrials like mm don't know about that don't know about that uh the rest of them are like no i'm fine with that as cross this is great what king you've noticed this but he doesn't say anything you take that fucking crown or beat you up the king's like you'd be a little bit cringe but that's okay yeah okay not not too cringe nothing not surprising i've known you for centuries so i'm i'm aware they probably know each other pretty well yeah um yeah and so i don't know if i was gonna want to thought this uh it just just it's sort of kind of amusing but they they you know the celebration is complete we get some looks some big old looks of like things aren't that we cut to like their big old celebrations of course this is very good news evil has been vanquished but you remember the fireworks sequence in lord the rings which was pretty early on as well so just felt to me like they wanted to have their own look at this fireworks display they feel like they're overcompensating at all that's like fucking fly that's crazy all right i get a little star got a little big butterfly there's so many at once i'm like you get a you get a i'm missing a lot of them by trying to look at some of them calmed out to hop it yeah and so gladrials chilling in the forest of the yeah the statues of the dead i don't know if that's the name of it but it's just like i'm almost sad we have a big long conversation that i was very much a fan of uh let's let's almost stop i think that could have been something here but the interesting parts are not being addressed by galadriel at all yeah so i felt like elrond made all of the best arguments in this conversation yeah it was like based elrond you got you got it we get another shot of her sheathing her dagger again it's it's mandated that every scene she's in she has to be shown pulling out or sheathing her dagger i think this is this is the conversation where i think i decided and told you moller that i was just i'm not a fan of this actress you say that like i own her because she's welsh like oh is she a lot of a lot of people like feel like this stepping on like just like i was just well more fifth clock i think a day business just like i don't fucking know who this lady is no i i uh either she is a good actress who has been told to act like a brick and more so i don't even mean that in the way that you might think i mean it and she's again stone faced with everything so she doesn't want to show like the characters trying to resist showing emotions you're not allowed yeah but uh or it's that she's just not very good at portraying the emotions she's supposed to i'm more willing to opt for the former but it doesn't really matter does it the reality is that she's very uh in the show yeah she's not entertaining or interesting in really any way whatsoever either on a character level or on a more surface level she is not an interesting subject for my attention so we demand welsh preparations from mauler hey we got um your resea funds in in house the dragon and he's one of the best actors there so it balances out okay we won one we lost one that's how it works uh we also have a w w w v show running in the welsh lands at this moment right now yeah so your brother would be proud if somebody says and then she's like my brother's task is mine i seek the enemy that escaped to the north and then he's like digital doesn't mean anything evil's gone she says then why is the evil not gone from in here pointing to a heart which uh this line i think i joked with you and i and i was saying from el ron is like i don't know man that's that's on you that's up to you i feel like that's a demon you gotta wrestle with like a therapy or something most people come away with the obviously to me interpretation of you say you're evil also that yes like security security if i was el ron in this conversation she said that to me i would be like whatever do you mean i don't know what you mean actually yeah because you elaborate are you evil so um el ron makes the mistake of saying you're conflicted off my ass off and then she's like conflicted i got big wander vibes when i said that i was like oh you shouldn't have said something that implies she's not as strong as she likes to be believed and she's like you don't know the evil that i have seen you have not seen what i have seen he's like i've seen i've seen a lot and then she's like you have not like yeah i like what i have seen this is christ i don't like you this is where like earlier on as we were setting up the back stories and establishing things it would have been useful to see her if they want to they want to have her be this super battle hardened warrior and she's so amazing and she's just a slayer and she's her the acting is so blank and she's so just stone faced and ice cold and just there's nothing there for us to pull away with i can't relate to her or empathize with her because i don't really know her i don't know what she's thinking necessarily i don't know what she's feeling in scenes she's just so so flat in the acting and if they're trying to play this up as the whole you know you haven't seen what i've seen it's like no we really don't no one does who are you i don't even know that like you know going just from what we've seen in this show yeah she was around for centuries when everyone was getting killed i guess like wasn't elrond what was he doing he was writing speeches i guess so um so i don't know it just yeah definitely the kind of like i said the same wander doctor strange vibes i was like yeah all right not not no bueno so if you think about the progress of this conversation she's like no evil's definitely definitely definitely out there and he's like it's not though and she's like definitely definitely is you don't know what i've seen buddy and so he he decides to change tracks he's like all right maybe it is out there is if you are right you know doing that is that gonna make you feel better because you seem kind of nuts right now kind of you seem obsessed you've been doing this for centuries you need to fucking chill but then he says something that i was like oh this is a little bit a little bit interesting he says like how many more elves are you gonna risk dying so that you feel better how many how many more statues are gonna be made here so that you kill more and i was like there you go that's a pretty good argument awesome i was like oh now it's getting interesting yeah because it tells us something what elrond cares about it's more than just you know stop going on your crazy adventures it's like you're actually kind of you know putting the elves in danger yeah he cares about her for i guess he sees something in her or i don't know but he i get he's using that aspect to appeal to her like to chill the fuck out yeah and i like that about him it's one of the few moments in the content that i've consumed so far of this where i was like oh that's a thing that's something yeah because he tells about basically tells us like oh you should totally go to that blessed land it's gonna go chill it's gonna be great yeah i brought you this wine a victory yeah um just just go go up there heal up chill for all eternity cleanse your mind all all that good stuff after you do centuries of war sounds like a pretty pretty good idea pretty good deal i would say a lot of people pointed out how they felt this line was clunk i was gonna ask what you guys think uh he says that one more orc upon the point of your blade will bring you peace what do you think i would reword that um yeah i uh i'm not exactly sure what i feel like it's not working about it it doesn't quite feel right for me because i didn't even think about it i was just like yeah it's a line i know what he means but i don't know could set it differently i guess yeah yeah i would have rephrased it something along the lines of um uh you know how many maybe you just refer to blood the blood and thirst like it could some some is there any amount of blood that will you know satisfy your thirst or you know is is maybe a pile of you know bodies or victories maybe refer to what is victories how many or you know slain something's but yeah i don't like the way it's phrased here um yeah so now that he made all these amazing points uh i can't wait what galadriel has to say about that because that's that's that's a good point i hope she she thinks about all these people she might get killed if she continues her crusade if you will especially because we're here in the the grave grove or whatever it's called and it's like this is a you know it's like being in arlington or something yeah i have never been to arlington i don't know what that that around sorry it's the big it's the big uh military cemetery hmm what does she say she's oh yeah he also adds to it that uh she'll be if she remains here she'll be an outcast yeah so did you want to do you want to say what happens next oh yes you guys say yeah but i'm just gonna not gonna feel good probably yeah so i think you're right in terms of the measure of the conversation this is not a satisfying answer she's like do you think i'd be better off in terms of my mental state in the west it's like so that's what this is about yeah i feel like there was much more flesh on that bone that aron gave you that you probably should address well you don't want to say you put in other people in danger in the response to be yes but i feel bad yeah because you could have said yeah but what if if i'm right there might be even more deaths if we don't do anything against it or something something like that not just say i'm gonna feel bad and the songs would mock the battle cries at my mind but something uh yeah it's just this is a nothing answer the that's a lot of her answers though it just sort of yeah these don't feel like real people talking to each other oh it's like they don't feel like how conversations would actually occur to the point where i was actually i'm gonna read out this line and i want you guys to tell me exactly what it means because i got a couple ideas but i'm not entirely sure so she says okay you say i have one victory over all the horrors of middle earth yet you would leave them alive in me to take with me what ah so what does that mean exactly alive you would leave them alive in me to take with me i'll say you say i have one victory over all the horrors of middle earth yet you would leave them alive in me to take with me i would like i would leave the horrors of middle earth alive in you yeah to take with me is she saying that the efforts and the effects of having fought for so long are like kept alive by her being alive like she almost won is she trying to say she wanted to die in battle she didn't want to live with this ptsd i believe so so this is the part that gets a little bit confusing because he explains this to her and she should already know this going to the west going to valinol going to the undying the it's a form of uh it heals you up mentally and stuff it makes you feel a whole bunch better to the point where uh i don't see this as a hard choice if that was her concern so what i'm trying to say is her two options here are like go heal your your your ptsd which apparently is your major motivation for hunting sauron it's like so you you'll be good on that um or you can continue trying to hunt him for centuries that's how long it's taken you so far i don't know why you're thinking that this coming to an end soon so see what i mean like like her highlighting this just makes me think like oh well then the answer is clear isn't it you should go to the you should go there boat man as if you needed as if you needed more reasons that's what i'm saying i was just like okay i'm bad if that's what she meant then yeah i don't know and she kind of just ignored the uh putting lives in danger part man so uh yeah he says only in the blessed realm can that which broken uh be mended i think he's so yeah and that's something that they all know so i don't know it just doesn't seem to do something she takes seriously so maybe maybe that isn't her motive i don't know exactly she's a bit of a bit of a character say the least she is certainly that and he says put up your sword and she says without it what am i to be really really annoying to hear from glad real but not when you have no other context so it's totally fine don't worry about it this lady's like what am i without a sword and he says my friend my friend which really doesn't address what she's talking about but whatever the seat is so i guess it did this is where it ends like it's really what a what a fucking waste of my time it feels like some stuff was highlighted but none of it was addressed properly it's just like okay fine i guess oh but wasn't it such a it was such so deep and meaningful and oh they're just it's such wonderful flowery language and it's so artistic and there's so much artistry in the in the writing of the show it's so wonderful these elves talking to each other how could you not like this this is one thing where he says like oh yeah but if evil stuff comes comes up i'm gonna take care of it so don't worry so i'm just good for you i i have no idea what the blessed lands actually going to be is just a one-way trip just go in there and then you're trapped in there forever i think there's no coming back i was like you wouldn't even want to go back i think that yeah i think that's part of the idea yeah okay i don't know enough about it and the show doesn't give us enough context to understand it because i was confused like yeah because my immediate my immediate reaction to that was like wait could you just i don't know give her a little little elf elf calls like hey that's evil stuff you want to come back and fuck it up or something why don't they all go i guess that's another thing is there a reason why they don't they don't they don't all just go back i think you have to earn it i can't just you can't just go okay no um so character introductions right we got another new guy coming and you wonder what what do you do to introduce a character quickly like well how do you what there's loads of different ways to establish traits real fast and screw there are this one um this one annoyed me in the same way that i believe it annoyed fringy as well there's two guys playing chess here or let's just call it an equivalent of some kind and our new character is walking past them now if you're a writer of any particular sort you know i'm not saying that it makes you a particular kind of writer it's totally fine he just explains to one of the two guys how to win the game in three moves i think as he's walking past and it's just and then the guy's like ah and he does it and wins so he is so smart i think the writer wanted us to believe man he just won a chess game on the fly while walking into wherever he's going this guy knows his stuff that's pretty cool meanwhile what i think this actually portrays is like so that guy's a fucking full of himself he just destroyed a chess game just because he wanted to prove he could like that's all that is why would you do this two guys having a fun game you just made it unfair by giving one of the information he didn't necessarily have why did you do that um really dumb maybe he just wanted their chess game to be over with so they'd go fucking take a bath this is an example of you can when you make a character do something you're displaying like multiple things one of them is you're displaying what they can do but you're also displaying a choice that they've made yeah what this choice is that he wants to demonstrate how smart he is at the expense of their game um yeah it's a bit stupid i uh just really it's really amateur to me i could totally see the writer being like any clever it's like yeah sure uh see i could see why i can't imagine why people in this town are fucking racist they just hate this guy he ruins chess games all the time like all the elves are here quick cover up the chess boards right so we were having a nice game we were having a fun time and then you showed up we got the stank place with all the stank people live and they're all doing stank things uh that's just how it goes i guess and they're all so gross they're just real gross they'll except for one of them the super hot girl whoever could that be oh the hot one who gets to wear colors yeah everyone's in like drab staggy just yeah there's greasy hair they've got dirty clothes on they're just they just look grimy and nasty and it uh luckily they made like the town leader the grimyest and nastiest of them all as he's chopping his meat in front of everybody yeah uh so what we're gathering here is this is just like a settlement of man i guess in some area and and there's elves looking over it and they come in for a report every once in a while just to see what's going on and uh the the guy who owns this place is like oh everything's chill you know you get your normal this that and the other thing happening but everything's fine and then the elf's like you were talking about uh poisoning something was poisoned and uh he was like oh uh you know it's fine it's fine it's just like a patch of grass or whatever and so uh this elf is like i guess you could you could say it's a weird thing isn't it it is weird the grass was poisoned if that's odd right i'm not weird for anything that's odd if he's like a sentry i mean whatever i may as well inspect that there's nothing else to do it reminds me of like the work they do in hot fuzz where it's just like everything's chill so when someone swan goes missing i guess you just go and have a look because what else is like yeah a patch of grass is poison's like i might have a look at that it's weird i don't know whatever and um that this is other guy who's like it's just a patch of grass fuck off blah blah blah and it's like oh it does i'm a knife here yes uh wait is it knife here or is it someone else knife yeah no no it's you know either way stay abby ears which is uh from what i got the people saying that's more so from dragon age than anything to do with Tolkien um i think they say knife here it's don't i think he does well it's just that people felt like this is very unusual for for Tolkien's work i wouldn't know necessarily but it's in there right and i thought it was kind of funny the mistrust between races was was not quite as um uh low brow i suppose like yeah um it didn't seem so just like you you believed it more is it is something i don't give an example right you have uh i think i think that they're not very good at writing bigotry anymore um they used to be so for example when everything's pretty chill except for maybe a couple looks between the dwarves and the elves in in feral ship of the ring except when it's implied someone will get the ring and Gimli is like i'll be dead before i see it in the hands of an elf it's like oh okay like it got a bit serious and it's like that's that's a pretty obvious like statement in terms of what's going on there but it's um it's because things just got very serious like you know actually i do actually have a position there instead of instead of let it go knifey is like okay yeah all right just in general the way they portray it here's just really lame and basic because like oh the humans are racist against the elves and the elves are racist against the humans because they helped with the bad guy we'll get to those lines those are just as fucking over there's no that just goes goes through everything and it's just like oh everyone hates each other except these two characters because they they're normal or whatever is it i don't know you also have this in she Hulk they don't know how to write sexists they're really bad at it like uh they create cartoon people instead of like what could be an interesting layer to their characters get clear bias instead it's fucking nothing is get out of here you lump us in with those who died a thousand years ago when are you people gonna let the past go it's like oh all right throw in that light in nice and subtle as well and he says the past is with us whether we like it or not all right so that sounds like you're excusing your bigotry against us well he doesn't have any he's chill i guess he doesn't yeah the other guy that we meet does though he does he you make sure to really walk in the stairs and tell him you really want to let him know uh but yeah he's like he's the twat this guy and and our elf friend makes a choice to actually reduce the anger and the violence here it's like all right see the chill man uh he's just trying to make sure everything's all right he's nice all right it's just this bigotry in these pots um goes both ways i guess so i have nothing to say about his interaction with the lady uh what is there to say they just need to fuck dude do i've seen everybody talk about this seed and they just have nothing to fucking put it like it's just she's i don't know they what is it like do you have the little pot of things and she does and he's like oh you crush him up to make a thing and they're like oh don't crush him she's like softly crush the all right i said i crushed them yeah it's like you don't crush them hard they're still crushed i don't know man i just i i didn't i thought i think all was supposed to gather from this is that they want to they want to fuck all right yeah i found this weird which like oh you're healers like yeah do you have healers like yeah but our wounds mostly heal on their own accord yes well it's just weird like human wounds heal on their own as well i guess elves heal better than humans otherwise that would be a really fucking weird thing to say yeah that's not what he says this is all the old of course like yeah yeah that's seems pretty normal it's just a really weird conversation it's and some of you mean because healing is automatic for most living things in exactly uh but we have healers it's like he's saying like why would we need a healer we heal anyway it's like right yeah but in order to assist in the process you know maybe yeah imagine what a strange question does your he says pointy ear to legolas today oh a pointy here an elf or something like that yeah i have no pointy elf outscoring me i fucking love that for that also what a dumb question do you have healers i had nothing to say about this conversation because i was just like i guess they just it's like it's like um what would you say like like stand in dialogue because there was nothing else the writers had for them to say like do you have healers like yeah yeah all right wait cancel my petals this guy says oh by the way he pours out the little bottle she gives him and there's the seeds inside and sees i haven't seen this flower since i was a child there's like how fucking good is your memory holy shit you remember the seeds of a flower that you haven't seen since you were a child that was likely that could have been like hundreds of years ago yeah like that seems like hundreds of years ago and for them it's like centuries but i guess they just have really really good memory because he's been here watching over this town for 79 years because elves don't like rotate their watchmen or whatever um so like jesus christ what a thing to remember when he came to this town he would have had his bow attached in such a way to travel then he would have taken it off in prep for presumably something only to put it away again now i think that that's all bullshit the only reason they did it was to do this look how fucking cool this is is he cool he just spun it i can do that i would just i don't know i would just feel like if i was the friend of like a little bit unnecessary i'm the only one that can see you but okay and he's like no i was like i do buddy the guy just goes like you need to stop doing that it's just i know you can like i can do it too look it's like just stop it um i'd like to summarize the dialogue between these two is you're up to no good over there because no i'm not and you smell yeah that is that oh my god that's literally it's literally the scene perfect wasn't that hilarious though when he said that you smell and the other guy's like nah and then he does don't you could predict what's gonna happen because he sniffs himself right before the scene ends oh yeah that was really funny um that was really funny i definitely didn't see it coming and then they do i definitely didn't call it out where like they're walking and he says only twice in our history does an uh has an elf and a woman or an elf and a man elf a person whatever done stuff together and always ends real badly that he's like you don't need to tell me that you don't need to remind me and it's like yeah because he fucking know all of this shit why are you telling uh it's gotta be more than twice though probably you'd think so yeah with just yes the humans are probably just fascinated that there are these creatures that are just not covered in dirt crime all the time they're like i just can't believe it how come they're not disgusting and dirty like us it's if only there was a way to not have all this dirt and muck in greece covering us constantly if only if something we could do the randy guy's called magoth me if you i know just written that down for some reason it's three times but abyssal doesn't owe the right so the war is over everyone and the outposts are being disbanded woohoo it's over everything's chill now wow that's great we get this guy who turns up to talk to our main elfman and he's like this is 79 years i've been here on top of the tower yeah you're like you know whatever the goals of this conversation are gonna be i guess that's a fair way to start it he's just commonly you know his time has ended 79 years well and then the other guys like can you believe how shit it was ladder do you have to talk about the ladder the ladder we got to talk about this ladder right so so before that conversation happens the there's this there's this tower and they use this ladder to climb up the tower and the ladder is a single piece of wood it's not two long pieces with all the steps in between them like lash together you know or anything like that they were they're not like pegged in or nailed in it's a single piece of wood that this ladder is that oh that's that's fucking bizarre i didn't even know did you never like what is going on here and it's got like a it's it's a weird ladder too because it's like two parts well your left foot goes on this side and your right foot goes on that side and there's like a beam yeah that's what i'm just pointing out it's probably from the ladder tree there's a whole bunch oh yeah okay that is that is that probably does make sense i i do like a ladder trees i'm pretty good yeah but this what a weird that's that's just weird it's just weird okay it's just weird that they have a single piece ladder that goes all the way up their tower i assume true at least i don't know where all the money went for the show the ladder make a ladder yeah our guys like wow been so long and then this guy's like can you believe how shit it used to be and then that guy was like uh well yeah things change i guess and he goes nah the men here are still shit and all more gone yeah and he's like okay well you know that was ages ago he says he says the blood of those who stood with morgoth still darkens their veins like legit hyper racism holy moly thousand years is like just so bad and uh that he like so the guy like the vibe is like you know hey well you know that was a while ago these guys they're right and then he's like doubles down he's like you should know the whole reason you'll hear is because the people hear a shit be happy you'll never have to see them again it's like this scene ends after that it's like did they really come up here just to say humans of fucking rancid i hate them yeah i did you know what what what you could have done in an alternate show is that is just an attitude that you notice over time as you spend time with these elf characters instead of devoting a scene to it like it's a checklist like oh we gotta have the scene where the elves are racist all right we did that scene now to the next scene instead of having it come out a bit more naturally because he just he climbs up the one piece ladder to the top of the tower to be racist twice and then he leaves i just thought it was fantastic but this entire point of this whole scene all the dialogue he says is all in favor of saying men are fucking gross don't trust them evil it's like right in his in his defense after what i've seen he's kind of right they are pretty grimy pretty grimy and dirty and gross literally rancid i see why elves look down at humans when they just right refuse to bathe or wear colors oh yeah you know with that news he's got to go tell his gf you know oh man sucks i'm being you know be moved out no yeah and then before he can say like i love you she gets a visitor man with a cow that's feeling a little under the weather you might and uh do you heal animals too or healer they could have less goopy others the man the man comes in he says do you have healers and then she says oh no we humans we heal on our own accord but what about cows she's a doctor out of bed she's the local vet as well yeah maybe she maybe the farmer asks the cow if the cows have healers maybe he did at the farm and he didn't know how it was like we only have artifices he's here errandeer yelling from the background we have artificers can i help well he does just sort of walk in and start helping quote-unquote and the guy like gives a bunch of looks like you fucking hate you for nine years so they they check out its milk and it's all black goo it's full of hot cream yeah it's pretty um stop pretty nasty like you know what i don't what i don't get about it is the what do you not get about it i think the goo is CGI um it is which i don't know that's a separate thing but like you know the second you spot black goo coming out of others you pull your hand back you go yeah i'm like oh what the fuck like he's just like you don't see it see wipe it off he probably wants to eat it that's it's like i kind of want to taste it look at this when i saw this on the second ever i was like why you okay it looks like you like they put CGI flies on the cow by the way why not you want to hurt the animal with real flies i could kill it but um because it's really like milk it's weird how they have it just are on it you know i i'm glad this i'm just glad the cow isn't CGI i'm glad that they got a cow i'm glad amazon sprung for a cow so it's like well he grazed on some part of the land over there and he's like right i gotta go inspect and she's like i'm going with you and it's like why can we talk about that a bit that his cow apparently walked away that is like a whole day's journey apparently so that cow was gone for like two days at least and we just had them no one well i guess it isn't normal it's it's not normal enough to the point where he points out that the cow wandered right which i which i guess if they normally wander that way then he may maybe not have said anything um but there the an issue with the scene seems to be that this cow ailment takes precedent over the fact that she was just told by him that he's leaving yes yeah the like this the end of the outpost has been overshadowed now by the cat the cow's got some weird milk uh yeah i don't know i was about to say like well it's really weird and it's like i don't know is it is it unprecedented maybe it is like you love each other right and you know and you just like like if you're like that's kind of a big deal because you should be you know thinking in your mind are we ever gonna see each other again if we're gonna be together like do we have to run away together do are you gonna are you gonna stay here with us can you can i go with you how's that gonna work out do i need a passport how like what is our relationship gonna be like now because that's kind of a big deal because for his her entire life he's been there and yeah he's gonna leave he's gonna leave on this for a day and she's like i'm going with and it's like you have a son it's fine yeah also the town that town healer leave for a day fine i guess oh no that story will progress uh then we get like her son and some guy it's the racist guy right yeah uh yeah they uh they go to like some bond and he pulls out is like saran sword yeah he says he accidentally stumbled upon it because he you know he stepped on this weird thing in the floor and he's like that's weird and then he checked it out with him i guess um i don't know what the fuck's going on with this there's just like some kid holding a spooky sword that has saran's walk on it i was just like all right it's like in the box and everything so i wonder who that's from this is one of them they're starting up a storyline and i guess we'll find out what's gonna happen with it as time goes on some point no evil saran sword it's great um let me go back to galladriel and uh they're doing their very long ship duty it's just funny because it's like so i got actually confused here when i watched it was like oh so so she left and even got an army that's that's cool for her and then the scene later i was like oh that they're going to the thing oh okay this is the awkward ceremony they have to stand on the ship what do you think it's real wobbly yeah and it seems to be a very long journey from what i've i could gather i mean i saw the map turning at the beginning that looks like a long ass way like i think ogre actually made a joke about it hang on let me see if i can find he did i believe he said on estimation the distance between the shore and valinor is similar to the distance of the shire to mordor holy shit so this is a long way that makes the fucking thing at the end i don't know what you mean mel i don't know what you mean right now this is just a ship journey okay which is fine ships can do this yeah they can they can do man they've been on they have been on the ship for a long time already when they're it anyway um yeah that's great uh i'm moving right along super cool um so the king says had galadriel continued she may have encouraged the evil she was trying to stop and then elrond's like oh so the evil was real and uh the king's like don't you worry boo the right thing was done now go work with kella brimble our engineer man he's like okay and he's on a new plot line now there you go that's our little him boy i guess the king king might be up to something who knows he seems to you'd think the whole because he said the evil was vanquished but he also seems to think that it may not be what's going on there i don't know i guess we'll get more on that i don't know i would like to point out that this guy the my guess we can have this talk maybe i'm just weird but like i don't i feel like these are people cosplaying elves and not actually elves uh yeah i don't disagree yeah yeah i know what you they don't seem like they're elves you know they're just guys with pointy ears there's nothing elvish about they don't have this fairness and this this this elf like quality to them they present is lacking yeah i just feel like just feel like some random dudes and not like elves it was like yeah we're doing the things and stuff yeah and someone just wanted to let me i'll tell him rags does know that elves are not real but what you take that back i just wanted to rip that off as soon as possible so but yes it does doesn't feel quite that way like there is uh they are what they are which them does he know that the plural of elf does not have an f in it apparently he doesn't know that elves so you could tell him that well you can tell me that because i did a typo on on the twitter and someone pointed it out to me loser i was hoping nobody would see oh yeah um then they're like have you ever met kella brimble and then he shows up and this is such a wombo name two or three like two or three seconds of him just sort of like i'm gonna explain all the things to you they rehearse this whereas like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna say kellum brimble and then i'm gonna turn to him and then that's when you start walking down the path so that you're on the bridge when he turns around they totally orchestrated this because he like shows up at the exactly the time he needed to for the conversation and he stands there he was hiding behind the tree and he was like he's gonna say my name he's gonna say my name you're gonna wait for it it's gonna be so cool he looks like um what he looks like one of the doctor who's which one which one is he looks like one of the old ones which one i died i don't know i don't know kella brimble or he just looks he looks like a doctor who um he does give a which one i don't know which i don't know though i i don't know their names someone said which uh he looks like uh someone says the third we got matt silvestre to koi and per tweed so it seems like people are not sure which would you mean i i'll i'll get a i'll get a picture he just he makes me think of one um let's see he looks like a suspense i don't i don't know crazy killing like sort of really christopher eckleston i gotta i gotta like look at pictures of them well yeah let us know if you uh you discover no i'll let you i'll let you know it could be that he just doesn't and i i just associate his look with a look of a doctor who but i don't know it's some it's certainly something to mull over something to think about really what if i don't want to think about it so i think you're gonna be missing out on a really interesting bit of a i mean it's gonna be more interesting than a show that's for sure for lenny henry well not ironically probably is yeah then henry's talking about all the signs just from his house just announcing the signs are all weird and then nori is like what signs and he's like fuck off stop listening on me it's like weirdo go away you might want to not be announcing it from your podium if you don't want people to fucking be listed i don't know yeah he is talking out loud in public reading this little future book yeah he says the sky is a strange that's from the trailers i remember that wow score is a strange then he's like what does that mean come back oh oh buddy no so um that's obscene that's that's like it was it was just yeah that's done so back with elf man and he's like so you know the people from the place you're born they were pretty loyal to morgoth back in the day wink wink and then she's like wow whoa what the fuck i was literally 12 million years ago she's like i am offended you're implying i have evil blood and then he goes no no no no no no what i'm trying to say is you are actually the kindest touch i have known in all my days which is one of the simpest lines i think we've never heard of history but no he's an elf nice that's awfully simpy you've been awfully simply or simpy over there look he's running out of time he's gotta he's gotta take his chance now this is how you do it um anyway they were they were having that back and forth and i think is that is that it do they discover the reality at this point the oh there they do yeah so you're heading she runs up so yeah they're heading to the dark patch with the the the evil thing that the cow grazed on instead they discovered this which to me is like catastrophe as they call it holy moly that looks pretty that looks pretty awful um everyone here has been a fucking tax or they've been they've been they've been clearly they've been stolen from slash destroyed on with purpose like some raiding party is a they're all dead basically i just assume a girl also they it's they do that thing where the camera angle shifts and now they notice all the smoke yeah yeah yeah you spot that spoke a while back but uh the thing that followed me the most about this is that she's like oh no instead of having her spot the smoke from the distance or him with his elf eyes if i'm allowed to say that and she's just like panic like oh god oh god i gotta go fuck fuck fuck and she like it takes after it's sprinting and she's worried and distraught and then she comes across it and you have that sting of her seeing this thing no they just sort of like oh let's go over this hill take a look oh how about that yeah after telling us oh i have i've grown up there there's good people there so you probably know know a lot of people in there so it's like oh it was fire it was odd to me because this is a day's walk this is another village that is a day's walk away this is a place she's probably been many times why wouldn't you like yeah you probably know a lot of people here which gets confirmed soon well as well i don't yeah to the point where she knows who lives in which houses but she just doesn't give a fuck she's just like oh this is kind of lame happened here um they crank up her care factor when she gets back to the other village but it was bizarre i don't know if it was an acting script or directing thing but they legit forgot that yeah she would be absolutely panicked by seeing this do we go in here in this episode versus next episode i think when they check out the thing okay i thought it was really odd and i was hoping that they'd fix that the next time we see them they don't they don't so yeah now we get we're actually close to the end of the episode i think yeah we're about to go we're about to do the celebration but galadriel's having some thonk thonks and big thonks is this what she wants is it and she starts to think back to that wonderful speech i guess or wait not yet actually yeah kind of we get a lot of visuals i know we've got the meteoro stuff it's like all meshed up with everything right now it is funny to see all of those visuals so that it's just like fin rod do you know why a ship floats at a stone can i like oh not again oh god this fucking story you died centuries ago let it go well you know why did my god damn it um yeah so then there's a comet and it's spotted by many people across middle earth and the funniest one to me was the kelo brimbo el rod one which it it goes past it just shows them here as though they were just standing around like oh look a comet they all look at it it's just like yeah it's just in the woods it's like yeah like they're all right the comet will go past some place pretty quick so it just feels to me like this was a we're just waiting for a comet oh look a comet yeah neat like oh i've been waiting for this for centuries yeah of course they're just trying to give the impression that uh everybody's seeing this thing which kind of binds the um the narrative in terms of timeline uh don't get out of that now yeah they start giving the light a little feel giving a little touch as you do when you go into big light and she's like oh jeez oh god she's backing up she she don't want it don't want it uh um oh yeah i guess it's a bit of a random thought but um yeah you do wonder how coincidental it was the the cow guy showed up to her at the same time as he showed up to her so that he got put onto the path of going to the uh the burned out village in the burning man in the they never referenced the idea that on the day at 79 years to the day that the elves are being called back from the village that's when the town burns down yes which yep they never mentioned that i don't think in the show is like what a like surely the l should be going wow that's a coinky dink i've written that down for the next episode all the way there and it's like man this all happened they just disbanded all the watch towers then unmanned yeah and now they just do the thing it feels like they should have waited even more with this so they know the elves actually gone gone because there's probably still a fuck ton of out that they can get you would think um so yeah a couple of those so well we only got two episodes to work with me or a bunch of them so anyway yeah it's like how do i know which light to follow when the light bounces off the water the water is dark does the flame flab and he's like you gotta figure it out yourself little sesh i would always be here if you rid of him you sometimes you don't know until you touch the the darkness give a little touch um so yeah and and and who like elf friends like oh you gotta you gotta focus you're gonna miss it just be careful and then she's like no i'm coming i'm out and she jumps into the water and at this point it's like man how far away so hey let's be good faith she'll obviously have a backup plan she might have organized a ship she's she's gonna use her magic to ride a dolphin there's gonna be plenty of ways that she'll be fine i don't think we should assume she's swimming but i swim all the way back to middle earth yeah that would be stupid that's not what's happening that would be insane obviously there's a backup guys guys i've got bad news well you couldn't because none of us have seen episode two until we cover it seen by scene in this that's how that works okay that's the truth that's what everyone knows to be true we've not seen episode two nobody has until we've mentioned we definitely haven't i don't have bad news yet oh okay yeah the comet lands right next to nori who's possibly the one person in the entire village who wouldn't however we'll get there anyway it's a little leaf falls next to the king guy and he's like oh it was a spooky leaf and he looks at this fucking it's a goob leaf got the black goo on it yeah this leaf with black goo yeah and it's funny because like his reaction to it is just so meh but like guys look at this fucking leaf it's a venom leaf something's wrong with it yeah express with your face please a moat you know huh no apparently according to the show you know it's whispering black speech too that's probably not good oh hey man do that do you think the elves are like oh the trees are speaking black speech you might be like people who have people who have orc ptsd from the world they think the trees are speaking black speech so um yeah he doesn't i don't know what to make of his expression he's just like huh he's like huh he's like he's definitely paying attention to it when those leaves get all stanky maybe it's also why if i stare at it stanky leaves but um all right well that's that's that i guess and then the comet has landed and nori's gonna go and have a look see what the fuck's going on and i think is that how our episode ends very very epic yeah we just see we see the the naked man surrounded by that is funny that it looks like saron's eye oh no i guess we haven't jumped the gun a bit but this fire is also not the hot either yeah what well this is a very it makes sense this is a very evil place it's like the two times that we see fire in the hapus what's interesting that fringy points that out also i also point this out when i was watching it with moller the other day i was like wow fire is just shit in this universe it's really bad get some fire so what was cool ruined fire guys everybody directed by the guy who directed fallen kingdom whoo yes that's right are they trying to set up that this is evil like remember when fire didn't work up in the ice fortress of evilness it's also not working here maybe maybe that's saron's plan all along he just wants to get rid of all the heat and wants to sell his marks because they still have heat so he's just he wants to monopolize the heating industry he wants to monopolize the heating industry yeah the fucking there will be a plot twist which gets what you're like to buy some heat gets a step so too sour on the rubber baron i'm gonna go for a pp and refill my drink let's just be right back he actually wants to be able to sell people fire that works i mean this is gonna be a huge industry for that i think revolutionary might even say fire is a big deal maybe he wants to use fire as a weapon and he wants to lure people in with a false sense of security like oh that's saron's fire that stuff never works and then they go forward and like oh god it works it works it works oh god it works ow this is like normal fire ow um so we get our intro oh well so maybe something that might be worth highlighting before we jump straight into episode two think about how much was accomplished in the fellowship of the ring in an hour and 10 minutes well yeah maybe maybe let's turn together get a vibe from the audience who haven't seen it we've just described you an hour of Lord the Rings the rings of power and hour of power not a lot of characterization we're very very thin on that department actually it's incredibly thin it's um really thin i've seen people say yeah because they're they're world building which uh i don't know where you were there's a lot of dialogue scenes we just went through i think um it's i certainly felt this by the end of episode two but even by the end episode one all i could think is like what what would it be that anybody is latching on to in the show that isn't just it's Lord of the Rings like who is the character that's going to be who is the character who's already you know caught your interest and you want to see where their journey is going to take them because like as it stands they're all pretty straightforward they say exactly what they mean there's no misunderstanding them and what they have going on isn't that like multifaceted you know at least right now at the end of episode one yeah it definitely is um it's a lot of not stuff happening it's there's not anything meaningful happening they do not do a good job well it's um which is the characters after an hour i don't care about anybody it's a really odd case because it's long like it's an hour um it's over an hour even it's yeah it's both long and the scenes are long and yet it feels like what we achieved in the episode could have been achieved in like 25 30 minutes um it's pretty it's pretty bizarre to like drag on for so long yet a lot of the time these scenes feel like they're missing like important lines of dialogue or important context you know where characters don't you you know it's like kind of the um uh it's something that's a lot of it wasn't structured poorly they didn't plan it feels like it's um it's it's it's almost as if we have the time so we need to use the time and so it's almost like it's it's um ballooned rather i don't know it's it's um alarms for an hour and 10 minutes we didn't get that much done um feels like we could have easily done it in half the time yeah or that if we were gonna use this time there was a lot more that we could have achieved with these characters i feel like there's a lot of empty calories where you have uh the the tower scene with a one-piece ladder i think that that's a good it's a really good example of they could have done that throughout in a meaningful way but they just decided to devote a whole scene to just elves or racists sort of and he came up here to tell him that yeah there wasn't um they took a lot of time to tell us that the human well man and elf hate each other in that area but it was done like it took a while instead of it being relatively easy to do while doing other things yeah they they devoted a whole little sequence to the uh our two elf guys chatting about what are you doing are you smell and that's a scene that tells us nothing and how well and how you should it's forbidden for an elf or not forbidden but bad bad luck comes with man and elf getting together they're just like okay yeah i was like half of that scene you know that there's just there there's so there's no planning like it wasn't struck it wasn't organized well they didn't think about trying to be efficient with their time i wonder if my problem with the dialogue is that it's like they were so concerned with uh it's very uh well it depends which characters we're talking about but especially with the elf characters it's it's very uh purple prosy like it's uh it's it's kind of like it's long-winded and um at times like confused i mean we talk about that opening scene right the whole analogy of the rock and the uh and the the ship that to me is like such a clear example of i don't know you try to make an idea that isn't that you you really um you really got caught up in trying to to write some really poetic you know like sort of uh explanation of of the theme that you want to go for maybe for the whole season or maybe just this episode um to where like you're obfuscating like what you're no but and everybody knows exactly what they mean though like that's that's kind of like the problem it's just weird um i i'm i'm really struggling to hone in on what exactly it is that's annoying me about the uh the dialogue it's lipstick on a pig it's we're gonna this conversation is very flowery and poetic and we're really gonna like we're really just stroking it and we're trying to be very artistic but the fundamental thing of what it is it's still just not good well yeah i think that might be the way to describe it it's very flowery but at its core nothing that's being said is particularly profound or interesting yeah time to spend a moment how much time we spend with with describing and assessing nori and what have we learned in total it's that she's going to be a rebel pretty much okay nothing else i don't know much about the rest of the uh the village or what they've been up to it's it's it's both focused and yet like pretty uh pretty shallow you have these groups of people who don't operate as if they're part of a close-knit community which happens a lot but in this in particular you have like two two communities the harfoot one and the human one and you don't get the sense that this is actually a community they're just like they're like window dressing well because we have our characters right and and we're focused on our characters but as for like the world in which they exist in and other people eh you know like it's not as important i guess i mean i totally believe if if you look at the shire from lord of the rings it is easy to believe that it is full of families and people in that different groups no other different groups and there's a little social hierarchy going on and like like an existence goes on here like you could live here what does it mean for a world to feel lived in what what i think it often means or a good example or an indication of a good world building is when you can have your main characters interact with other characters in the world and those characters don't just feel like their props that exist solely to advance their story but that they are their own people with their own history that informs what they say and how they act um you know the world goes a lot bigger than just a few people yeah uh in yeah in the shire i believe there's tons of stuff going on and it's a real world you know and here i'm just like i just don't like this world doesn't feel real or it doesn't it just i i'm not sure how i would because like at times the production values are like really impressive um both in terms of like visual effects and set design and everything and costumes maybe they squandered on the wrong things you know like i like they don't use it wisely maybe that's what it is right you have access to all of this material but um well so a couple of people are saying in chat the world doesn't seem lived in which is probably that might be part of it yeah it was is a world that seems invented for the show which is like yeah of course it is but it shouldn't feel that i shouldn't know that i shouldn't think of that is because um something that felt really uh in episode one i was really struggling to understand the uh the timeline you know like how because yeah hundreds of years travel in this world you know like it's it's Middle Earth it's fantasy it's um it takes a long time to travel to places but i never got the sense that you know like how long did it take for Galadriel to on the ship to go across the ocean how long would that have been like at least like a few days right probably weeks really um weeks and it's like okay so that's happening over the course of the Atlantic back in the day yeah exactly and this is this is way earlier and you know the timeline if we were comparing it to earth in terms of technology um yeah like definitely weeks if that's happening over the course of weeks when exactly is the plot line with the human village uh and like the elf ranger like where where does that slot in what about the um the hobbits like where or they are like what where is that story set like what time i think um like a sense of time and a cohesiveness in that regard might have helped a lot in terms of making this world feel like a place rather than a backdrop for whatever stories they need to tell in any given moment yeah we we don't have much of a sense of time and distance um yeah which makes us anyway presumably um the uh the title sequence isn't i don't i don't know i don't like it i'm just gonna say i don't like it it doesn't seem very inspired it doesn't seem like it is cohesive in terms of its design when the text pops up at the end i think they waste it popped up that seemed really that felt like man it's like you went into vegas to just kind of the rings of power you expect all the grains to be reformed into the rings of power not the yeah you would think that yeah instead of just random symbols you gotta show more you gotta show everybody what it looks like yeah it you know how like the the longer you watched arcane the more the title sequence like made sense you know and this is just like oh how did this get approved you could have done all kinds of you could have had maps you could have had you know some really artistic stuff with the the style of the world you could have had all kinds of things right you could have foreshadow foreshadow of foreshadowed events and this is just like oh here's some dirt on a middle maybe could they be i guess maybe don't put dirt on me it's probably probably means more than we're gathering um i just don't know here it is yeah there it is we're doing exactly what what what is that if it doesn't feel like it's it doesn't feel like it's part of the intro you know i'll just put over it oh look look here it is someone said someone said it never took months to cross the Atlantic Ocean so when the pilgrims arrived at Cape Cod in 1620 it it took it took two months 66 days so it took just over two months so two months in a week two months and 66 days isn't that that would be four months right i think i said or did i say or two months or 60 or okay i thought you said and right no no that would have been oh what a trip but it it took 66 days to cross the Atlantic so that that is two months in a week so yeah right hey at least get to Ausland at least the intro is not the thing people were thinking it's going to be the weird oh god this to me was just meh i was like okay it's very generic um i don't know that i felt that even that the track felt generic to me mr shul made it correct yes how it sure did the main theme bama crudney did the score overall yeah well those will move on uh so we got yeah well we're starting up with our landed stranger man um we just well yeah galadrials just in the ocean whatever um start swimming we're gonna be calling him by what we assume him to be assume we may as well i called him me do your man and my notes he is he is expected to be thank you yeah i didn't laugh because i didn't think it was fun i wanted to make sure you need um but as far as i know it's came around as well you can do it briefly come on no he's gonna he's apparently gonna become either Gandalf or Saruman but more than likely gonna be Gandalf that's but now he's just naked but uh either they're not gonna name him for a while or that they're not allowed to name him um that i don't man that's so crazy to tell your story but it's like you don't have access to significant parts of yeah so i don't know can we yeah it that that is so fucking bizarre like you can't say hobbit yeah i get like i don't know what any of this to be true is what i've been told uh i haven't looked into it myself just it amuses me um someone said it's radigast pre bird turns and radigast was taller uh i thought radigast was a little one so if this is radigast pre turd birds then i said he was taller he was taller pre bird turds the the hobbit happens after this yeah yeah so he would have been taller if this is radigast because radigast is short you got it okay all right wait um but yes as was stated the fire is no longer hot um in the world i guess again i think the the assumption that it's supposed to imply to us that this could be an evil man that's probably it um yeah though i imagine that's just a red herring we got uh we find that out because i guess this friend turns up who of all the other people who have turned up is the one person that you can keep this a secret with yes the one who eats berries like a fucking savage barbarian yes she does like an animal like an actual animal um and she's like your mom's gonna kill you and she's like you won't tell her and then so i was immediately like oh we've decided we're keeping this a secret why no one's gonna come check it out yeah nobody does uh of course if it's this close right over man fell over through it man fell from space i really don't think you should be worried like oh they'll get this is gonna get me in trouble it's like i don't think you can be blamed for this like i don't think that um so to me it just seemed like they're trying to get an excuse very quickly to make it so that we're gonna have our little adventure team that uh yeah just these guys because we don't want them to be a part of like entered into the village which i just don't think would happen i think it's it's like this a fucking weird dude fell out of the sky i'm going to tell people who know better than me about everything about this i'll just be the most normal thing ever he eventually gives her reason and it is fucking crazy um yeah uh they creeped out by oh she she has fallen at this point i just trying to keep track of uh yeah yeah what what they're saying okay so when she is falling into the pit i want you to watch the fat one it's funny how she like her her what she's doing pitching for this oh god oh no they didn't tell her what to do did they they didn't tell her what to do so she just squats down it puts her arms forward and she holds that for those who missed it she does this that if you keep an eye on it she's just doing that the whole time she forced pushed it all right that's really awkward that's really bad yeah how does that happen i don't know i don't know that's nobody else set go that's a bit stupid less how does the actress go like is this weird that i'm just i'm just i guess they said they'll fix it posts or like it'll make sense when it gets cut together in the final little CGI her arms fleamin around it'll make it look way better that they didn't so um yeah she says uh we can't leave him it's not who we are then she goes not who you are oh and i'm just like what a line what a line you don't need it you just have it do it you don't need someone to go yeah yeah it's nori you know you wouldn't leave a person behind would you because that's that's are you like we need to end this we need to quit this fucking lazy ass someone tell someone their own traits for the sake of the audience it's so shit that doesn't happen yeah you know so yeah the conflict here like i said it's just strange because if some guy fell out of space like the first thing you'd expect is not only for more people to turn up but for her to be like we got to get him back see if he needs help we gotta who the fuck is this guy what the fuck's gone uh their conclusion immediately is to get as many materials as they can to help keep him hidden from the village or group of people and just like okay you think very very highly of their own people i just don't yeah i i thought that was bizarre i was just like are you gonna kill them like are they gonna eat them you fucking barbarians nothing wrong with the in people here in there right you're hungry just once or twice that's they fall out of the sky like nobody cares about him is fine just eat away but uh that's a good name oh wait is that a is that a reference to good old uh it is this all right chat i'll get you up to date yeah so get a lot of scenes of baseman fallen and uh doing doing flames with good old people uh thinking yeah because lennie henry's like and it's uh there's you know there's some weird shit going on and um i think they say like they ought to start migrating now because that's the doing soon but it's like no we got to do the festival first so they all know with something they know something weird has happened but none of them want to go see what it is yeah okay we're too scared i forgot when when when they they grab him up for the first time we stand up for the first time the fire goes out and kind of into the spaceman but all the rocks float around yeah and then he falls back down then the fire goes back on well i i mean that's probably not going to happen ever again but i'm just wondering what the mechanics for that are they're just putting on the floor and everything starts to set fire set on fire i don't know it's just weird um yeah so like is he a troll is he an elf is he have done it's like again this is what i mean this is what the episodes are filled with is dialogue that really doesn't do much of anything it's just sort of nothing stuff and then some of the stuff that is actually meaningful is baffling sometimes in terms of what people talk about a little lot before that are good dialogue is often dialogue that's achieving multiple things at once the dialogue in this show is often only achieving one thing at once you know like is he a troll is he an elf nice too ugly like this is for comedy but it's just not another thing that happens for comedy is they they leave him for a moment and he starts rolling down the hill and it's just like man this is like level fucking like three out of 10 comedy in terms of like potency just like yeah ain't it funny that he's starting to roll down like yeah yeah it's just random slapstick yeah i'm like uh no actually i don't want him to get hurt you know um we have a it's i don't know like this whole the whole magic man and nori and fat kid and the the harfoot village this whole bubble of the story is really tough to have any sort of engagement with um yeah harfoots are i get they're they're timid they don't want people to see them but they're so cruel that they won't ever help an outsider and they're curious enough they're they want to leave they want to move their whole village because of a meteor that lands within walking distance but they don't check out scared to not yeah they're too scared to check it out and on that note worried enough to move everyone at once if that were the argument that she doesn't want him to be seen by the villager out of fear that they'll kill him that's just fucking out like fucking hell yeah geez uh wow y'all don't seem that blood thirsty but i guess you are wouldn't i think it'd be more interesting if they were very especially if these are like proto hobbits they sort of keep to themselves but they're not cruel or mean they're just not big and they can't really defend themselves so they're very just skittish around outsiders but they're they're kindly people they they're very they don't seem nice to each other even you know they just seem kind of like a bunch of other all the time yeah they're a bunch of short dirty pricks who don't know how berries are eaten on the note of everyone says what they feel in this you get a friend saying nori why are you doing this he literally says i feel like he's my responsibility oh we talked about this when we watched it it's like this different um she says he could have landed anywhere but he landed here it's like okay i know i know he's important there's a reason this happened i was supposed to find him i know i have to know he's safe i can't walk away from this good god i can't we just do this standard meme where first time around she's very evasive second time around she gives a bit more of an answer and then finally the third time around she states what she means like i don't think we've given anything to understand this she's crazy she's like where did she get all this from some guy fell out of space like he's my responsibility it's like where exactly was this established in episode one but this was something that would be really important to her and if someone was to say like well this is establishing a character but wow what a strange person don't you when we were watching the episode i was saying what's weird about this exchange from a learning about character's perspective is that her reason for helping him seems to be that she appeals to sort of cosmic fate like he was put here for a reason for me to help him i've been like this is just sort of what i'm supposed to do in that sense not well of course i'm helping him because you help people that's just the thing you do is you help people that doesn't seem to be what her explanation is she doesn't doing it because she's nice she's doing it because she thinks he fell here for her which is bizarre uh yeah and she's like i want to make sure he's safe and it's just like i mean you don't even know if he is in trouble right now i feel like your your friend does in the village could help out unless of course you believe they'll eat him or something which again i just great but that's our plot line here and they keep telling us over and over again including from her and her friends nor is it just a great gal she takes care of anybody that is in trouble and and she doesn't she doesn't follow the rules hey she's not like other girls okay like fine does that mean she knows how to eat berries well i don't think she did someone said it's very conceited and narcissistic of nori thinking the stranger fell there for her to take care of him be responsible for really kind of the idea that this all happened because of me not it's it's kind of the opposite of the lord of the rings where you have like well you have to do the best with what you're given and you know the situations might be bad and you know the theater has that you know like why is it that you know these times should be mine and stuff like that it's almost like the opposite message um we come back to our elf friend and his his human girlfriend they're having to look around that's what he is he's our elf friend wrong when they're talking about how they've spoiled some disturbances in the land and they theorize whether or not they say like a ground quake or whatever i'm just gonna call it a fucking earthquake she's she's basically saying i'm pretty sure yeah probably probably an earthquake did this they're like you know they're in a ruin like it's been destroyed and ransacked by whole these the clearly probably a whole group of crazy people fire everything's on fire and she's like how did the cow die there's like a cow laying there and it's dead how the fuck how the earthquake killed a cow and once again like i can understand him being stoic about this this is totally fine but it's not as attached to it he's in like job duty mode i guess yeah and she's like there's fissures and um she's like so it might have been that and i just i cannot believe that they don't think it's all connected when there's no bodies as well as they establish and no wounded he says and she just doesn't seem to give a shit she's just yeah like survivors no wounded you're right there's this is so strange perhaps they will fled if they all fled white they will come to your town i don't see they might have asked you right as well while you were out walking you would have and also remember the cow and the goo like we do not think goo not my go obviously but like don't you think that might be that yeah i know you didn't know i'm just making sure i don't know why you would but that's fine walks into this house and she's like oh this belongs to kiran and hannah and it's like you know them by their name this is their house and it's exactly like oh and i guess they're probably dead oh yeah they're probably fucking dead whatever that he goes like a quick look more stone faced there's a big hole and several turtles that lead off from it and he's like this wasn't an earthquake it's like man he's smart oh shit we saw him at the chess table he is very smart yeah he is the big smart and so he's like all right you go warn your people i am going to go into the tunnel and i asked rags this when we were watching it because i just i can't wait to talk about it we're not there yet but i will say what is his goal it's like well he's inspecting these tunnels i guess which is my i know i think my guess was he wanted to see what was in the tunnel yeah what did this right because yeah like what did this and so like you know if i was his old friend i'd be like well all right man this they did annihilate a village of men so as in like you know man that they are capable of defending themselves to some degree so are we sure about this because uh you know you go looking in the enemy tunnels you're probably going to find something if i was her i'd be like no you need to come back with me this is super dangerous we need to need to go tell your elf friends they're like the cops around here exactly tell them that is the first thing you should want to do but no he wants to go inspect the tunnel and you must be like well he must be really hoping to find whatever did this i guess we'll come back to him we'll find out yeah it makes sense to me my my i know that my people sided with morgoth or whatever so but i it seems like a bad idea to me i don't know so you got kela brimbo and elrond talking about their new partnership and how um kela brimbo wants to make a big old tower i thought it was funny by the way i said this to rise me watching it so elrond is like uh what do you want to make and then kela brimbo is like what that's going to come far later what first comes is how or something like that and it's like okay like i guess he's saying in relation to maybe materials slash workers and then he puts down like a equivalent of a blueprint and shows exactly what what they're making i was like but that's the wad right there i guess the wad has now been done i don't know it just seems like an unnecessarily cryptic sort of like flowery way of saying you know i'm not telling you what it is and then he's like here's what it is by the way it seems like if if i was elrond my snarky ass would just be like oh so it's tower so it's tower it is literally is what literally is what why did you say it like that yeah why you're being such a yeah a lot of the characters feel like they do that in the show they just they say a bunch of bullshit like okay also did we not talk on the way here no no this seems like something that we would talk about on our journey here you know like we we didn't discuss anything or talk about anything on the whole trip over here terragion yeah we're busy waiting for the meteor he said maybe that's all they talked about they literally only talked about the meteor and nothing else so um yeah he wants to build a big thing but they don't have the time to be able to do it with the frame the calibrin ball once and so elrond's like oh well have you tried looking outside of elves for help and then he's like how far outside which is a really fucking awkward line when they show us the map and it's the fucking it's so close by the place he goes to to the point where they don't even seem to change clothes or have supplies or have just walked an hour on foot they just went for a casual stroll over to the toilet now i'm not fully aware of exactly what kind of distance we're dealing with here but if you can see this chat that's what they're showing us i think i said to you rags how far do you think that is based on the scaling of this map which is difficult to say but still yeah it's really tough to say i think i guess like four days we saw a big shot of this city um and the city's represented on the map there to be that size so like it just it seems like that's going to be a fucking long journey and when i say fucking long i just mean relative to an afternoon stroll you know it's not much longer than the reality is that pretty much any journey outside of like whatever city you live in or town is going to be long this is a fantasy world i mean you're walking hard yeah if they got horses that might help but the horse has got to sleep too you know like they got a rest yeah the horses will absolutely help but these these motherfuckers are walking also i that's the thing right some people in chat will be like well what's the fucking problem they would have they would have just montage cut to them getting then it's like yeah but look at them they look exactly the fucking same as we just saw them seconds ago as if the conversation was from pause they've got no supplies of any kind nothing no what again no supplies of provisions is this are we now in this story a month ahead of the story with the Hobbits you know like are we now a month ahead i doubt it i doubt that's what the intense i think they don't really care to account for how long it would take to travel places he also very casually talks about how this will be the like diplomatic move of the age if they would even achieve this like so this is the tour you just casually strong there's no weight to this at all they're doing something incredible apparently they just casually decided to do on an afternoon like what do you mean well it feels like what they did was it's it it feels like it's a product of working in front of green screens yes where you're just you walk into the next well you don't even walk into the next set it's the same set you're just like okay now you guys are at this place you know and so you don't have to worry about those things like if you're at actual locations and you have to actually travel you might have it in your mind that oh we're traveling we don't have that sequence where when he suggests going up to kaza doom to talk to the dwarves he's like grab your traveling cloak and it will you know it will take a few days to get there there's no none of those lines or anything to imply that it's a journey that they're taking or i it's i haven't been this far north and da da da da or or maybe elrond's hesitant to go up there because he might bump into durin who know who know something i i guess that's oh man oh i got so much to say about that like oh well i guess they could have done something the attitude elrond has here is baffling to me when we find out exactly what the nature of all this is he's so casual about turning up here when he really shouldn't be um yeah he should be very nervous about like oh shit like i go up there and talk to him he's going to chew my ass off maybe we'll get there so we'll we'll we'll get to that but now he's just like i want to speak to durin they're like fuck off and then he's not getting any results so he says i invoke the right of syrian tarag and it's like okay and even cal brimble is like what the fuck does that mean and he's just like don't worry bro just go home i'll take care of it it's like go oh i'll go home why bring me like i won't care he's like do you mind if i like you know can i have a drink and maybe go to the toilet before i leave yeah no your health you shit in the woods oh it helps wipe i assume they do with leaves or something i point being i have an issue with the dwarves and you are you are a dwarf and you are at the door of your dwarf town and it's a lovely place and your job is to guard the door and let people in or maybe don't let them in that's up to you at your discretion and so all of a sudden these two elves show up in their outfits and they're both addressed as like we're lords and one of them is particularly famous and they're like yeah we would like to talk to durin and the dwarves the door is like he's like no and he closes the door like well what well aren't you curious you at the very least like do you not ask any questions are you gonna say let me go check you two are clearly special people like your political envoys essentially is what you'd think yeah and the dwarves is like no and he closes the door like it's supposed to be a comedy scene like all those dwarves yeah just just really this thing there's so many scenes like this in both episodes we just like what why would why is it why are you behaving like this why are you acting like this and then once you get more context it makes it even worse but uh hey a little reprieve i like the way that this place looks and i like the song yes i'm yeah it's a neat yeah this is some wow so i think uh what you said to me was that this was the part that definitely sounded a lot like god of war yeah uh reminded me of god of war yeah it was cool yeah it just felt like it matches the dwarves and the the style of this place while also just being suitably epic plus studying i think is the way i described it it feels appropriately hefty and dwarfy and also orchestral yeah i like it i like the visuals and i like the music i really like the visuals it's a cool place it looks like a place you could actually live like oh this is what like moria was like before things you know went tits up like i could totally believe this things are nice like oh this would be a pretty cool place to live it's better than the fucking shit village where the humans are covered in dirt and grease oh you man all right jeez you're very helpful that no you're just very helpful at all they know what bathing is and they just won't do it this is very consistent rags post this out and everything we cover that has that when it has the grimy humans living in just covered in dirt you just keep bringing it off as all he's very offended as a way to contrast it with how much i like this place yeah it's topical so i'm very concerned however about the lack of railings and a lot of these uh these these pathways and such i wonder wolves don't give a shit maybe a dwarf is like a squirrel and they can't die from falling because they their terminal velocity is just it's still not quite enough force to kill a dwarf so a dwarf could fall all the way down and they would just land and they wouldn't die from it maybe they could we see a dwarf land from a very far distance not yet i don't think so not yet and the lack of any sort of railing sort of implies that well if anything it will inconvenience the dwarf because he has to now walk all the way back up though they have an elevator that i like but no um they begin the rite of syrian tarag and because this show doesn't trust its audience whatsoever they have during explain it specifically and explicitly to everyone here when all of them know exactly what it is including elrond so they even laugh when it's mentioned like they they know exactly what it is it's uh it's just that as you all know it's like yes as we all know so you don't need to explain it again you're the thing that my brain went to and i it's a bit of a distant reference but hey why not um do you remember when they play i think it's like is it dead man's dice or something like that in uh pyrosic arabian too um they basically start playing it and then i think it's will this like how does this game work what the fuck are the rules like that you know that is the most normal way of doing it in a fantasy sci-fi whatever thing where you just like there's a new thing that's happening in this one i actually think pov characters are very useful and in often popular in media for some kind of a reason oh a bunch of people don't stand around telling each other things they already know awkwardly mole called it dead man's i don't know what it is lyre's dice is what people are saying it's called i'm not a pirate i don't play that game regularly that's right we didn't that's right we're not pirates not for lord of the rings exactly definitely hundred percent so dead man's dice does sound cool though i think so dead man's dead man's dice does sound cool lyre's dice is like dead man's dice it just it's peppy like dead man's dice imagine running this scene again but without his explanation they're all cheering chanting elrond's handed a hammer and we're like what and then rock start getting placed on these little like odiums and then you have durian just be like what are the stakes and then elrond can be like you know all rather he can explain the stakes because that's the thing that nobody will know necessarily if they change per game you can explain that and then you can smash at the one rock and breaks it and he cheers i think there's enough here for us to gather oh okay so they've got it he's got to break a rock then elrond breaks a rock and he breaks around it's it's endurance i get it but they make it all like so fucking explicit that you start to wonder like first of all do you really think i'm that retarded and secondly why are you wasting so much time all of that dialogue is worthless now because you already shown us what the fuck it is yeah remember at this point in the episode as well as like man we are really losing precious time the last 20 minutes nothing really happens this is like this episode feels a lot emptier than the first and the first didn't feel particularly meaty yeah for those who don't know in chat we are a third into the episode yeah this one nothing happens nothing yeah it's it's been almost 20 minutes bitches and we're we're just we just ain't done much so just going here going there we're back with nori and she's she's decided what i should do with my pet hobo for now is feed him my pet and she decides this this actually really annoyed me was watching it rags more so than my first time around so i didn't i didn't really think about it he brings him snails to eat yeah this struck me is quite bizarre fucking gross man of all the things like not even cooked like not like escargo like we cooked these snails because yeah but just raw snails now you might think in chat well you know maybe if that's what is common food to his and it should be fine right and it's like well what about the berries yeah just give us some fucking berries one of the most like you know how to eat them neutral and simple and nice foods that most people like as opposed to eating a snail which she probably should be aware of his fucking not not that usual um no no it's gross it's just it's just strange that's all and it goes wrong because he doesn't take it out of the shell he just eats it with the shell anyway this is like and then she's like you're not supposed to oh oh shit and it's like all right uh we establish pretty quickly that he has no way of comprehending english or at least he's not being honest about it because he seems baffled by almost everything she does and he doesn't communicate in any way shape or form like you know nodding or shaking based on what she's asking um but she continues to talk to him in english as though he will understand the one that really stood out to me is that well they do the thing um they do the thing where she says a word or two and he repeats one of the words back and she's like oh good you understand which is totally not true um yeah like yeah in terms of how it works but the friend turns up like and then he like starts yelling at her because he's scared and she's like no no no friend friend as if well well we already have the thing where he yells at nori for first time because he's like hello and then he goes like yeah my point is that he darkens and winds blowing nobody notices this apparently if and she's just like hey no i'm cool we'll be friends right felt to me like the show thought in this scene it had been earned that her communication with him has improved when really it's still zero it's zero yeah there's nothing she does some hand gestures and he like tries to copy them but that's about as far as we get it seems to me that he has no way of understanding anything from her at all uh except maybe the oh you provided me food what unquote which i don't know how he would have felt about crushing snail shells in his mouth but hey now probably it was probably thoroughly unpleasant probably probably um so i'm just pepper by a non-reaction to that happening um and and so while that's happening they're setting up the festival over in half-foot town and um they're like complaining because they don't have enough people helping when there's like they have several shots of just random people sitting around in the background ending there yeah they even make a joke out of how that one bitch is sitting there not doing anything it's like i'm helping by telling him to help was like no seriously though he could help me like jokes aside yeah which gets even more serious because of the fact that like there's an implication here that because nori is so obsessed with with hanging out with the hobo that her not being at the village means that as there's an unfortunate accident that takes place that may not have had she been there which is her dad springs his ankle is that what they're trying to do i think that's what i think that's why they're intercutting between her scene with him and the scene of him like hurting himself i think that's the implication problem is the whole village there are people who could have helped yeah nobody's he's one man who's he's he's piling up this log and he gets he struggles with it for a good like 10 seconds or so before it breaks is like nobody helps i think there's no sense of community there's no sense that they're here helping each other and they know each other they're it's just like a like a gaggle of pricks you know it's i think i was saying to you when we were watching the episode like i feel like they should be like the amish putting up a barn and they're just like they like they just mechanical efficiency they're just so good at this because they do it and they're skilled and everybody is cooperating and organized but they're just a bunch of goofy losers who can't do anything and no one wants to help their fellows so yeah that that happens and this is just an implication that i think they want us to think that it could maybe have been tied to hobo in some way um because he's doing some with gestures while it happens but i'm pretty sure that's another red herring on uh yeah yeah yeah he's um and so he starts yelling at nori because she's not understanding him at all because he's saying mana over and over again and then she just says i'm a half foot that stops him from yelling and i was like that meet eddie thing to him i don't know i don't know i wish i had something to tell you but i don't and yeah so you you may be like so what are we getting from uh from that in total then and i am struggling i'm like um the hobo man is truly you hobo man has something he needs to do in this world he's figuring it out and uh nori was busy looking after him in the five minutes that she took out of her day from the village to the point where her dad got hurt and oh and they say um will he be able to migrate that's something they're all very worried about and i thought that was pretty baffling too because it's like have you guys never moved someone who's lost a leg yeah yeah you've never card just be the fucking card for him we saw that hello what about people who are what are people who are old what about infants that you have to literally carry you can't put someone yet look the guy is literally working on the wheel of a cart during this conversation put his ass on a cart and pull him like like this shouldn't be he could hobble on one foot you could make a crutch for him so i just yeah i was just like you could make a crouch you can make a cart you can literally have people take turns carrying i i do not know what like you can make a makeshift stretcher like we saw him pray i don't know why i don't know just don't also this is another one of those sequences that you could if the whole point of half of this i guess thing can construct is to show that someone gets hurt and so you're having this social setting this is a time that you could use to do multiple things you don't just have to devote an entire section of a scene to him hurting his leg you could really maybe pack in them talking about stuff and get some world building in that way or just something i feel like these scenes only accomplish one thing at a time if that yeah and i like i said so for those who were paying attention i recently said we were a third of the way through uh we're about i'm about to summarize the galadriel bumps into a raft we'll talk about that in one second well we're halfway through now yeah that yeah i guess it takes like five minutes the screen time is gushing and it's just nothing fucking happening how long is she being swimming across the ocean yeah so that's the reality she is legit trying to swim across the ocean and selen brim bore walked so kaza doom is that long she's just been stroking and man what are the odds that you just bump into this for anybody doesn't know bumping into a raft in the middle of the ocean no no no absolutely not it's just yeah just microphones stop it it how very fortunate for our protagonist incredibly it seems like she was about to die like she was exhausted yeah yeah i think it's safe to assume she definitely would have died which means the point of it being so far away from the place she's trying to get she would have known that jumping off that boat would mean death unless she stumbles across a raft right well it's kind of the problem is you've already made the choice like getting on the boat and sailing over you made the choice you know like this is when you made the choice not when you're about to go through to basically have it yeah i guess the boat the boat's not going to stop and pick her up and it's not going to turn around and go back so i guess everyone including so the warrior's got the honor of going to uh valinor or whatever it's called and the undying lands so all the assistants who take off the armor i guess they did something too so they are they get to go back as well they're not taking they're not just dropping them off they're not dropping them off and taking the boat back they must have really done something amazing too to also get to go across um because if not she would have just stayed on the boat and went back with them we uh we find that the people on the rafts are like don't let her on do you want to share your rations which i thought was amusing because she's she's climbing on as they're arguing that but um our main main man in front says to her uh something like the but if fate will decide something for you today the tide i'll read it out for you because i remember being like what uh but basically as she's climbing up he says this to her and then she like decides all right i'll chill in the water for a bit um yeah yeah where is it uh so yeah the tides of fate are flowing yours may be heading in or out what so i guess the tides of that means is something good could happen or something bad could happen is that his way of saying they're going to decide whether or not we let you on but at the same time i would have just been like bro i'm coming on like if i stay out here any longer i'm fucking die no um yeah they let her on unfortunately they realize quickly he's a fucking elf oh my gosh this is this is i really don't like elves yeah i i was gonna help you on but now that i realize you're an elf i'm really against you being here has pushed there off right just pushes her off and also he talks about rations but she just like tries to messily pour some water into her mouth while she's resting on the on her back it's really strange um yeah and so uh they they ask if her ship was attacked by the worm there's a monster out here that's attacking shit i was just like oh gosh how i'd lucky like on top of everything else well you know hopefully you got on the raft yeah hopefully they just don't get attacked by it right because that would be unfortunate um but yeah so they find out she's an elf and they're like oh my god but before they can deal with that they spot a ship another one just in the day it's like oh great that's and i remember at this point being like what the fuck this ocean is just like a pad is all happening why is this ocean so busy it is really busy yeah but i think it was at this point i realized like oh this isn't lord of the rings no nope so uh it's not a boat it's a big spooky monster that looks like a boat because it's got a sail attached to it by chat i was like what the fuck so yeah they're attacked and i don't know how else to explain this the results are everyone dies except for guy and galadriel yeah yeah um because the luckily the handsome one makes it yeah the the creature just sort of decides it doesn't want to attack him on his portion of the boat he detaches a portion of the raft from the big part and saves himself meanwhile by the way some lady just pushes galadriel off i thought yeah like get off lucky you so um how lucky they were racist yeah just uh just it just fucks them all up but it doesn't fuck him up and then he comes back and saves galadriel what a bizarre series of events and the worm doesn't care about them anymore as they already said just like i had enough boat bits to eat and people i'm leaving now goodbye is that huh okay um i guess it's you start wondering it's like is this here because they just needed action to make sure people aren't falling asleep i feel like because that took like five five or six minutes for everything to happen but nothing really happened yeah again it's not there's not much to deal with here except i guess we find out and this is pointed out so it doesn't really matter anyway in terms of us drawing it from the content but uh the guy ditched all of them to save himself but at the same time you know that it was it was i guess the only thing he could have really done has been like jump onto my small one everybody that's safer that's what he that's what i yeah i don't know i sure i mean you know i would have been slightly better but i don't even know that she would have been able to see that she she makes the claim that he abandoned them um when he came to save her as well you know what i mean it's all very well she did too she swam away well and then she swam away and then she swam away you still ditched us like yeah but you mean to me he's like yep you still ditched us didn't you didn't you yeah well i mean i guess they're not in any position to say this to her what with being dead and all yeah yeah they're all gone now and the monster's gone too so don't worry about it uh what like why you don't want to be like why is this seed why i don't know it's we got it it is it is because of the action man i mean they could it just maybe because if it they she could have just come across the the guy on his own raft is like yeah i there's a there's a storm uh i got i've been floating out here how crazy it is that we met you know exactly but we're gonna have to set some rules this is my half of the raft and that half is yours yeah all the food is on my half of the raft unfortunately damn what a collateral like so it must have i now look i don't claim to be an expert on like elf metabolisms or whatever but elves got to drink water right did you drink a little bit i was saying tomorrow when we were watching my concern was like if you're gonna you're gonna die of thirst let's assume you have the stamina to just tread water and swim you're going to die of thirst i like that is like she can drink the water you know she can just drink they gave her a couple of droplets of lembas water it's like 10 times as effective as water for as long as it takes for these guys to find land yes now from this point on because there ain't no water left um which takes us back to good old durin versus elrond breaking them stones uh what a what a what a convenient right to invoke yeah i guess so yeah like i could so no it's so you don't let me in well actually um i can because i invoke this right so i get to you get to you have to invite me into break rocks and there's a chance that i can just like stay or something oh remember that if you lose you're banished from no dwarf lands that's true elrond will never be able to come back yeah not really unless they decide otherwise i just don't yeah i know what does it mean to invoke a right to topic if the consequences of that are just like you can wave them away yeah or if it doesn't even matter if you lose is like you can't come back is like okay i've haven't been here like ever so it's fine i guess yeah elrond is i got a seed one so that's cool duron durin seems relieved too like it was maybe close but um anything about this there was this fucking this so many weird things but durin says you know a dog may bark at the moon but he cannot bring it down what okay i guess what does that mean just the dog want to get down is that why he's barking at it come down moon is elrond the dog that he's barking at the durin is durin the moon yeah this i'd get another line that while i was watching was just a little bit confusing like what are you trying to say actually yeah the fucking weird ass line but okay uh yeah and then we get probably the most substance that we'll ever get uh in this one literally the only thing that i like so same and and it's a complicated like all right as well i'll say so yeah durin has been kind of a prick to elrond this whole time and we don't know why and elrond says have i offended you in some way and he says if i was you know to explain that we'd need a longer lift ride and then it's like oh okay and elrond's like you're squandering you're a chance here to talk about like the most the biggest opportunity for dwarven kind in forever ever you don't even listen to the proposal and then durin's like ah there we go so that's why you're here you want something and again i was just like i feel like we're missing a piece here and elrond says i've genied here to see my friend who i've greatly missed bullshit um so so you're like oh okay from our pov without knowing much you're like okay yeah that's fair elrond's you know elrond's just a class guy he's come to see his friend and he's got a business opportunity this all seems great and you're being a mean and then the guy says well you missed my wedding it's like oh yeah okay that could have been something if you did that that that could okay um and then he's like you missed the birth of uh two of my children and again i am i'm i'm reasonable okay i could be like well maybe there was a reason he missed all three of those events you know in particular and if elrond's been visiting anyway he's just missed important events it could be that he was busy with politics slash war slash whatever else you know maybe this is just a misunderstanding but we can still get some narrative juice out of that it'd be fun so you know what what else am i missing here and during goes on you can't barge into my mountain and demand i welcome you with open arms um you can't claim to that which you have discarded and of course again you might be like discarded they're still friends and even elrond says discarded what do you mean he goes 20 years might be the blink of an eye to an elf and you're like wait a minute when he's like but i've lived an entire life in that time it's like wait a minute elrond has been gone for 20 years yep and the idea that you're like it's a blink of an eye to an elf okay unless you're gonna actually start establishing the elves experience time in a different way to all other beings which i don't believe to be true whatsoever 20 years is not a short amount of time to any being that experiences time linearly that's yeah i never like this when they when they bring it up like oh you have some sort of long-lived race and they just say oh it's 20 years is a blink of an eye is like no it takes 20 years for 20 years to go by time does not pass by quickly for you like a day is still 24 hours to you you just get more of them right so this is if i was to like hyposteal man for elrond i um have you have you um are you aware of like i remember seeing it it was either uh like an illustration or something that um if you think about each successive year in your life it comprises a shorter amount of your total life so like if you're five years old one year is like that's another six you know that's like one sixth of your life whereas if you're 30 one year it's like well that doesn't get you where you want to go no so so what so the reason why i bring that up is because at the end of the day elrond has lived long enough that he should understand the 20 years for him like however he perceives it 20 years for somebody who doesn't live as long as you that's a long time my dude like did you just forget about that you know well so yeah there's there's no way this works well for elrond's character is the problem no he doesn't he doesn't care about this guy he he doesn't because if he did he would have he would have showed up yeah um there's no way that like he would have if he cares about durin and he's only showed up because he has a business proposition it's like so you just lie into yourself you don't know like that there really is no getting around the fact that you haven't seen him for 20 years and the first time you show up is because you want to cut a deal like there's no getting around that he is rightfully upset with you yeah especially considering it seems to be a very quick and easy journey here that you don't even have to like bring it you don't have to change your clothes or bring provisions it's like you just walk over and it's a great place i don't want to hang around here it seems to be a really great place i bet these people can throw some crazy ass parties well yes absolutely and and that's the thing right if someone was to say like elrond clearly does care he's just time has gone away from his like he didn't care about his kids or his marriage he didn't care about his wedding like that you didn't even come back after the fact like oh i missed it but i showed up later you know exactly yeah like i showed up late but i did come and i was sorry and i brought gifts and things like that like no you just you never showed up friends have a desire to hang out that's just the thing and the same with people you love you just you'll get a yearning right and it's just like a reality of okay so i clearly don't care about you but elrond is like forgive me my friend this is like i do it's two decades man i don't know um and we've said it before it even even honestly like a couple a handful of years but um when you when you go 20 years of not speaking to a person as as durin said it's a fucking lifetime in a way like you guys don't know each other anymore yeah you're different people you like well i guess but elrond maybe not so much but definitely i don't want to dress something from chat because someone says he was busy fighting a whole war this was like 20 years the war is already not the thing anymore we're doing the hunting stuff at that point if it's the morgoth war that happened hundreds of years that's that's over from what we've been told in this the lab room was going on a quest to essentially try and snuff out by now if there were any left like the war itself was resolved this was cleaning up off to it and that was even true why wouldn't elrond say that exactly that's the big fuck up is that he should be saying like i have had literally no opportunity to see which is not true uh we already know that elrond has had opportunities he's been fucking writing prose in his little forest yes but just doing political tizems this whole time so he got he got and look at that dev with the dance that you could at least send a fucking letter exactly yeah don't defend elrond's bullshit chat don't you do it this is a this is a we we stand for durin in this chat yeah well yeah right for this scene because it's the last just a scene which is going to be squandered this potentially absolutely on flick just is going to be squandered completely this scene has a cool elevator and the only character thing i like and then it then it's gone so let me enjoy it while i can yeah because we we got the drama but we still got a plot that we need to move forward here so you know yeah and and he's like all right you can come and see my kids i'm on my wife but i'm still angry at you and it's like yeah okay great now we're doing comedy again well this thing i already felt like oh it sounded like we really seriously for a moment there but now we're not yeah he goes from i'm gonna kick you out of town to yeah you can come to my home and talk to my family yeah so really annoying all right there's there was something here but they just pooped all over it sit down his wife's there she's all like she said she's a she's a person who sings in the mind to determine whether where to dig or something i remember being like what yeah i didn't even write this down i did not care i just wanted it to end i kind of i was i was hoping that dwarves would be as a way to foil them to the elves dwarves have this practicality in utility to them whereas like oh we sing to the rocks and it's not because of the it's the mountain and the soul and it grows like a person's like no like no because the sound waves yeah the sound waves resonate off of oars differently and if you listen close enough we have people who can hear the differences and like like it's an actual like thing it's like work it's it's like a science almost and that sets them apart from the elves who are a lot more into you know artistry and feels and you know that that sort of thing about flowery um but no it's just like she says a weird line like a mountain's like a person constantly growing is i i don't remember what is it she just lies basically um and i forget what it was she says i'm scrolling to get the to get it but she says a she says some weird shit about while you look at i was gonna say why are you looking for that someone said uh tree beard experiences time differently to him everyone else is rushing saying good morning to him is like a conference to us as if this helps with elrond like what does that have to do with elrond the ants actually do operate as though they move slowly everything is slow to them elrond's just like a normal guy hmm so rags don't talk over the sargon helmets the ones that the kids are running around in hitting each other with sargon helmets they're fans sargon helmets um oh yeah that was probably worth mentioning as well she hugs elrond immediately even though she's also not seeing him for at least 20 not at all she would know and she's like oh durin didn't tell me you're coming and he's like durin didn't know and i'm just surprised that she just doesn't seem to give a shit this is she's very much a fan of meeting elrond the friend who abandoned her husband like okay i feel like i just feel like this whole drama with them being friends or not really friends kind of it's fake drama it's it's it's it's superficial drama it doesn't amount to anything it didn't need to be pointless yeah they put it in here it's like oh that's interesting and then they just drop it basically immediately it's like oh good so why bother if the drama wasn't there we could literally have skipped almost everything actually because the conclusion of this whole scene is i will present the proposition to my dad which could have happened immediately exactly yeah i think it was invented just to get in the way that's all she says she says a mountain's like a person it's a long and ever changing story made of countless small parts like that's not at all how i would describe a mountain ever to anyone yeah i guess if you were just driving a mountain chain but like like a cut like in a cosmic sense like a timeline where a mountain rises up tectonic plates and it's a really i think it's just a bad analogy they're not really very good but well yeah that's on this brand for them at this point yeah put it on the helmet pilot or something long and ever changing story made of countless small parts yeah she explains like how resonating would work but only in like a flowery way not really in a as you were saying like different frequencies imply different material just yeah yeah yeah when yeah when you think of worms it's very practical yeah they're mechanical they they they're engineers they you know they have cogs and gears and they have these mechanisms and they don't do this flowery horseshit like those those goddamn elves in the woods we do work here right we're trying to figure out how the world works you know but instead it's like they it's like oh is he telling you its story and where the story of the mountain it speaks back to you and it reflects your thing and it tells you where to mine and where to tunnel and and where to leave the mountain untouched apparently that's a weird line and where to leave the mountain untouched i guess the dwarves and moria didn't sing right or else the mountain would have been like there's a fucking ball rug in here don't come here don't touch that wall sing to the ball rug but there is mithril but do not come in here yeah um so they this is weird thing about a sapling as well right like elrond gave him yeah sapling 20 years ago and everyone thought durian was a fool to think it could grow um even though it has water soil and sunlight and they're in a city where they clearly are like growing and having advanced agriculture underground everyone's laughing for thinking a tree would grow in dirt the person who wrote this wanted to be like you see through thick and then durian held on to that sapling and through love it managed to you know make it when it's like what are you talking about that doesn't make any sense in the context here we plant you've got plenty of like growth in the in in your minds you can't show us a big old blast of light on your tree behind you and be like wow it managed to grow you're like yeah that's crazy yeah who knew that that's what happened with plants when they're introduced to soil and water and sunlight can you imagine that it got bigger and she's like people call him a fool because it wouldn't grow in such darkness that he's like while they can see the light on the tree in the background he says uh where there is love it is never truly dark like what are you talking about what this could have been a moment where durian like like oh yeah this is the the seed you gave me it was here when you weren't or it stuck through with me in a way that you never did or it shows that he is willing to care for things long term so that he gets a payoff and like i planted it so that one day my kids would see it you know it'd be big for them something like i once again they could have done something but it's just like brought up as if yeah they didn't think it grow would grow but it did that's it and so that's all we got i guess i'll fucking head out and then durian's like all right fine it's just like why though why why do you like trust el rod now why are you giving him a chat like oh we didn't do anything and again i think that theory is correct this was just a delay that's all it was didn't actually mean anything delay it's it's all of the cost of a delay which is time with none of the payoff which is character and world building yep and so this this actually refers to see most of that was a waste of time it could have been done easily it doesn't tell us a lot because none of it's being adhered to after being established yet i've been told by people like you just don't like world building like it's purposeful okay i'm on board of world building wouldn't i be i just like a character here on there one that's coherent you can be there that'd be great no gross stop it i will say i like the i like the dwarven aesthetics of the tables and chairs and the little fire pots and things i like the the look of all the dwarf stuff and that's just sort of where my praise ends we got that we got the neat elevator and we got that one scene with durian and then it was over in the next scene and that was it it's just a wisp of smoke once you realize it oh it's the oh it's gone so we're back with gladrial and guy um and for some reason he says to a you were separated from your ship huh i'm pretty sure you were deserted like oh why i don't know this is like oh we'll just by the look of you is like i guess we've got to get that conversation started up so she gets awful defensive he gets awful defensive and uh we figure out that he's very mad because where he's from was destroyed by a bunch of orcs he's like well that's actually what i'm looking for you know it even fucking flashes the mark of sorrow on the fucking screen yeah in case you don't remember that's what she's interested in it it's like i know um yeah and then she's like rather than rest in glory or sit in suffering i pursue the cause of your pain and i have been doing this for thousands of hundreds of years or whatever it's like yeah yeah you're great you're great oh yeah um definitely you're great and then he says if you want to murder orcs and whatever doesn't make you a hero and i was like uh kind of i mean it probably does a little bit right i just anyone taking it down a peg is interesting to me um yeah and she's like you will take me to the last node location of the orcs this is like oh my god i'm not going to take you there i was like i told moller is like i will mark it on your map yeah there you can i just want to get off the side quest has been added i just want to get off this fucking ocean and i don't know i have food you will take me there it's like shut up um yeah so that's that's what they're up to uh yeah and a random thunderstorm appears oh i can't wait to get back to these guys when that gets that they didn't see on this very open water before that it doesn't matter they're busy doing stuff oh okay well either way the next thing we got isn't isn't damn just yet it's back to good old human village where lady's gotten back to tell them there is like you know yeah that whole village got annihilated by the way and basically they're like nah you'd need proof for that was a sinkhole probably there's probably something else it's it's another thing where people are just bizarre they're like aliens it's like oh it's fine that the village is gone and everybody is not there anymore it's like what do you hate your own kind as well do you just hate everything on top of not showering you just like imagine what it's like you have someone run in that you know well and then she describes what happened that everything's burnt and destroyed it's like the whole town was pillaged there's no bodies no survivors and he's like she says in totality right that all the people that are gone that is all destroyed there are holes that look very much deliberately dug and the holes are leading to our village that's what she says in total then she says we need to warn people and he's like no i will not have this gossip yeah good god how the fuck is wrong with you yeah because i just don't know what anything is that's not enough to get those damn elves back take a horse and go fucking check okay i like oh my god why do you write them so stupid that there is like i don't believe you whatever there's there's there's techie ground over there i don't even know what techie means but apparently it's good enough for these guys and yeah they're just like now lady shut up he's like i've seen landslides less dangerous than a wayward tongue what i've seen i guess he's saying that you're gonna cause a lot of damage by lying which is retarded i know i know what he's saying i'm like he's like without proof this doesn't that's what i keep repeating it's like as if you can't get proof no go and check do you not think it's weird do you think she's lying to you apparently she just came in here wanting to stir shit by saying that the next the village next door got destroyed yeah honey it's like yeah well just because there's a sinkhole that swallowed an entire village i'm not calling the elves back like what and then she doesn't even say like it wasn't a sinkhole like clearly the critters came up and dragged people away all the buildings are burned down and pillaged you don't even need to get the fucking elves just check see if you can help your people like what the fuck the point of the scene to me was that they are so racist it's just bled and some being incredibly stupid i'd rather die than be helped by an elf even if all of that village is dead that means that we might invite some elves back and we can't have that like seriously well you know what at least they died with no elves around what what could it be that we are so lucky ourselves oh anyway we cut over to her son who is now so pissed off that the mice are scratching at the floorboards that he fucking destroys it what are those bizarre things ever he just attacks the floorboards you want to make it easier for the mice to get into your house exactly that's why you do it fucking idiot like it's all for a payoff it's a spooky payoff but like you did not own your way there show why would anyone do this i'm so angry i just fucking destroyed the floor but i i actually forgot about the i just thought it was so funny and destroyed he mentioned those mice i was like oh that was like a setup i thought that was just a very weird thing because they wanted to check off his mice ah damn it they're mice doing the scratch again all right so we're done with that that's just you know things about to go back your mother will be very upset when she comes home and she's like what the fuck it's happened here he's like a mice yeah just convenient beards it's in in their house that they find that so that's that's really convenient for her yes it's weird the only person in the village she was probably able to kill it you know and so um our our elf friend has now discovered uh a nail i think in a wall and again just want to remind you guys seems like he's down here to find the culprit right and he's like he's getting closer i guess but then he spots in the distance a spooky hand doing some spooky stuff especially spooky and then he looks behind him and he sees a shadow of something coming toward him and so he decides to stop panically running in the other direction and again i was just confused at this point i was like isn't that why you were here was it did you not think this could happen you know like i'm gonna head down this series of tunnels i have no familiarity with to find the thing that destroyed a village oh no i found something that doesn't look friendly you see what i mean i i thought it was a fighter i don't know why he just ran away immediately because this is what because this this the conversation was sort of having in terms of like when i was watching this and he sees the creepy like thing crawling towards him i'm like oh well yeah this is what you wanted right is it it's on the thing but he seems like terrified he's like oh no the worst thing possible to happen let me let me squeeze for this really tight place like okay yeah i i i was confused i thought that this is what he wanted but apparently it was absolutely the worst fucking scenario so now he's like running away and uh he climbs up a little area he's getting ready to attack and then he gets ambush from behind and he's captured from the floss we see of him as episode yep yep all right so uh rewatching the scene we have i'm gonna this is a picture of our elf right he's looking down the tunnel he sees a shadow and then he sees that creepy ass arm coming in right legitimately quite spooky and then it's really it really is a testament to the acting talent we have on display here this is his expression after he sees the hand coming his way right okay so you could tell that i mean as as pretty pretty clear change in his elbow stoic rags okay oh you're right i'm sorry um yeah uh well all right i well i was i you know it reminds me of uh this happened in stranger things season two hopper finds out there's a series of tunnels that have a whole bunch of uh the upside down goo in them and he just goes down and starts inspecting until he gets knocked out by the the goo gas and just like fucking goes unconscious and it's just like what couldn't you've told someone can you've done help no no no the thing that you'd expect most likely to happen happens and then they're like surprised and it's just like so anyway uh the the mum adds home and she's like what's my son doing hiding is everything's destroyed and turns out the the orc would have come up and the kid hid in like a little cubby thing and he survived that way but now that she's here she's alerted the orc back and it's heading there so she's like ah and she thinks i might run away but no i can't leave my son so she hides in a cupboard instead we're doing horror movie now here we get a little bit of a horror scene he's walking around for a little bit doing his thing like or have a fight a pretty weird fight i guess uh it's a very strange fight that doesn't make any sense whatsoever he like it's it's just it's just a shit weird fight where he somehow gets caught on things and he can't move and he's just well yeah what i'd like to highlight i guess out of all things is he runs him through with this uh tool stabs him in the back right you see this here just step in the back and he's like oh geez and then he turns around and see he jams himself on one of the slats in the fucking staircase you know how incredibly unlikely that would be very very very unlikely just and then he's just like oh geez oh god oh man i'm trapped and he can't like he's held in because she stabbed him with that that farming tool that deep and it's so deep in him he can't just walk out of it which i don't believe that thing's probably not sharp enough to actually stab someone anyway let alone so sharp that it goes in deep enough to to where they can't you know just leave that's the horseshit i don't believe you you're lying then a noose goes around his deck or rather just i mean i think i'm almost as tight exactly like a noose the kid fucking makeshifts a hanging in the middle of this fight yeah this is like way whoa and funnily enough when he pulls him like that it actually gets him untrapped from the staircase uh but obviously now he's hanging um just and then the rope snaps of all the things that could happen the rope snaps it's like oh fuck's sake that's a good fight mauler shut up um yeah so they're doing a little back forth i think he just he just chops his head off then yeah because he's fine fight over takes into the others yeah she what does she do what does she have to what does she uh decapitate him with is it just like uh they don't know all kind of thingy because i just don't think there's any object sharp enough in your house to do that no it also takes a lot of force to do that even with a sharp object so then we get another bizarre scene she wonks the head of the orc down on a table and says so if any of you are wondering we're fucking we're going to the elven tower now go so they just made this huge speech about how they absolutely will not do anything like like say hate the elves and she comes back with the head of something some monster and she's just like this means we're all going to the elves for help okay everyone pack up and leave if you killed it they can't be that tough i don't even know what's what they would think about this i just they should be like what the fuck is that and then i was thinking myself imagine the orcs actually attacked all at once like they probably did for that of the village no they just had that's the scout yeah yeah he was really yeah that's what he was doing he was just checking things out whenever i see a scenario like this i imagine like what if this was a little scene that took place in someone's like dungeons and dragons game and you had your party right he's like all right the party needs to convince the villagers of something what do they do they're like oh well they would like do things they would they would make an attempt an attempt would be made and then i see what happens in the show and like oh this is just like you're not you're all fools none of this makes any sense whatsoever and uh yeah i just uh they don't they think she's lying about the annihilation of an entire village and yet they see this head and then they're like all right so everything you said is true now and it's just like why why do you write it this way why couldn't you've sent someone out you get attacked by the orc and she comes in to you know explain what's happened there while the scout has come back to say yeah she's right the whole village is gone and i found evidence that there was like lots of foul play it wasn't just like someone leaving or someone left something on fire there's clearly battles fights and tunnels from creatures that have built them and then she's like this is clearly one of the creatures i killed one of them there's just stuff like that instead of just you drop a head on a desk and go right we're all leaving they're all like okay okay weird all of it's weird it was enough for me that the whole village was destroyed but if you plan the head of a monster on my table i don't know what i'm going to think of that i don't i don't know what the uh look where did you dig that where where what what is this creature what is this a prank are you pranking is this a real thing so that's that uh we we then go back to good old uh galadriel and guy who are in the middle of like the ocean and it's a huge storm that's literally tearing the the raft oh this scene and she's like bind yourself to me while i bind myself to a part of the raft that will be that'll they'll do it do it do it do it then she gets like struck by lightning and fucking drowns so like we we talk about this just this scene just sort of happens and we'll probably say things somewhat matter of factly but this after we had watched it and i was just sort of thinking about what we've seen this scene stuck out to me is like what the fuck was that scene kind of memory like we watched that right like that was just a thing that happened right like i it's because it's so bizarre yeah i don't know how else to explain what's happening here other than saying she tried to tie herself to part of the mast i guess to try and stay safe to not get knocked off the raft unfortunately for her a fucking lightning strike hits that part and breaks it off so that now she is knocked out she is tied to a piece of wood that is also tied to a weight that is dragging the whole thing down and so she is just going all the way down into the ocean while being unconscious not a great combo because when you're unconscious you still breathe um which means that it's just yeah when you're unconscious you're paused yeah your pause so she's she's kind of fucked um and it's for a while by the way you know we're just oh yeah because it's pretty deep with how biology works you're expecting that he'll save it which he does he uses her knife to cut the ropes and he's like okay you're gonna have to get her some CPR pretty quick now let me show you guys what happens uh be here rise into the sea gets the knife if we copy right here all right here you go it's showing them he's obviously he's going to be bringing an unconscious collateral to the surface right no she's fine there she is yeah oh gasp oh oh that was annoying and apparently the raft is still around so yeah it hasn't floated away yep even though there's like this huge thunderstorm oh yeah these are these are sharpy rapid fucking waters that are just gonna fuck around with you as much as they want just like the raft if the raft is even still in one piece um the point of this scene when they were writing was we need to establish that he will take a risk to save her um so how do we write that and then they made this disaster uh do you wonder if the reason for the lightning strike from god is because they couldn't dare show her fucking up tying herself to the thing or like slipping actually it literally takes a like a lightning bolt from heaven to fuck her up yeah like to fuck her up so yeah uh amazing absolutely amazing and it was just to show that he'll he'll look after you know uh if he can he'll at least offer us some help of course like i like would said she regains consciousness and oxygen herself she doesn't need his help on that front uh oh yeah yeah she's fine so we come back to our half-foot friendos and this is a spaceman he's i don't even notice this this scene we figure out i guess figure out quote unquote he wants to find a constellation that's what we learn in this scene yes we learn it because the lanterns have many captured fireflies and that's why they're so insanely bright don't you know he breaks one of them with his mind and so then uh a bunch of fireflies come out and he manipulates them to get in the way of the constellation he's looking for and then she's like i don't know which one that is but i know how to find out which is our setup for the next episode i guess it's so weird because he could have just pointed at the sky and then made dots on the ground like and obviously yeah that's that's obviously what you could have done even like no one would be able to misinterpret that it just it just wouldn't be possible but instead we had to have this long drawn out firefly thing and then the fireflies die and he whispers to the bugs and they go up into the where they need to go yeah i think the the whole them dying thing is still just a bait for like is this guy evil only evil people should the fat one cries over the dead firefly yeah i don't know man a firefly dies just to be a firefly dies in her hand and she cries i guess they were really close i mean you enslaved it a moment ago i guess that was okay but now that it's died that's just a bridge too far and it's and and now we're emotionally distraught over the death of this firefly so we're almost at the end uh because it's just so this is really empty calories so the king of of uh the dwarves is like hey bro uh isn't it coincidental that alron comes to us now of all times and we're like huh and then durin is like i'd know if he was hiding something and then he's like would he know if you're hiding something and then we find out that they have discovered something which um on my first go i thought it was the arkenstone because of the way it glows and what it is but uh from what i have gathered from others we're supposed to understand this so this is the first time they've discovered me thrill okay oh i didn't know it shined like that i guess i didn't get any i was i was just like oh they found something and it's glowing i think it was kind of shiny when gandalf lit up his big ol fleams and i think it's just reflecting the light from his bright ass you know beacon because when like when frodo's wearing it and everything it's not it just looks like it's very light very white metal maybe it's reflecting the fire in their room that is something is it hot fire no cold oh yeah that's right the dwarf probably have some bullshit fire themselves so you know i hate about fire how warm it is yeah annoying um the little kid picks up his spooky sauron sword and leads on it and it goes like super hard and i don't know what the fuck it's supposed to do with anything it sucks the blood it sucks it it sucks the blood it does it does suck the blood that's a slightly cool piece of imagery that is just doesn't like mean anything right now but that's neat like the idea that you get cut in the blood doesn't drain down with gravity but it like gets pulled towards the evil thing that's a cool idea that's something see i said something nice there you go oh that's that's cool there you go oh i i will say one thing though that isn't nice the dwarf king's crown is shit all right so i'll post a picture in case i we're just gonna take a look at this last see she saw her elf boyfriend is he went into the tunnels to go and see what destroyed a village which is just leaving oh yeah i mentioned that yeah he bumped into an elf sorry a ork killed it herself but she doesn't mention anything about him or even a search party or anything don't give a fuck doesn't care she doesn't say they're just about to leave yep why do we go across this so much in the stuff that we watch where we get to know a character really thinly and quickly and then we're like wait don't they didn't they care about the i guess i care more about it than she does for some reason and then yeah so they're off them they're moving out of the the town they're in off to the elf tower or whatever meanwhile the lad reel and guy on their raft have now bumped into a ship because how lucky how else can you write it how else could you possibly write it there you go it'll be fine and um i think that's the end please be the end yeah that's the end so that was two hours that was two hours of hours covered two hours of content do you know any movies that are great at two hours long or less many well yeah what what's the two hour mark in the fellowship of the ring that was a good question you know what i'll find out right on the now i can't find i don't know where my file is uh two hours exactly in lord of the rings gives you they are uh gandalf is trying to open the entrance to moria oh no i forgot my file let's see i guess you didn't listen at all to what i no i'm saying i i i found my i just glad that i found my thing gandalf was open in the entrance to moria yay and that's uh that almost makes it sound like we haven't you know get a shit ton foundation for that but uh for well for everything it's just this this show um maybe the next set of episodes will be so good that we'll realize a lot more was actually given to us in these two episodes than we realized yeah this is all just setups for all those juicy juicy payoffs oh my oh exciting i can't wait um so i mean you know we didn't do it at the beginning why don't we do it now what uh wait what are you saying oh no oh no oh yeah there's a shitty crime why it's fine it's fine no it's a nice thing to say mike flanagan said he thought these two episodes are really good which is like that's that's sweet he's digging it's that's that's fine that you think that just just whatever that's fine it's sweet and it's very nice of him to say i guess i'm just not sure what you would pull from these episodes it would give you like a really good impression to be fair what is it uh to clarify a lot of people thought this was great a lot of people thought this is great yeah but to be fair a lot of people thought fucking anything is great so like you know it doesn't tell us much but i guess i guess the thing is is like if somebody said it's middling i'd be like yeah all right yeah i can see how i see why yeah i could totally think that the normie take is that it's fine to man as for uh as for like great i guess i'm just like i'm not sure what you'd be appealing to right now other than production what is great about it tell me what the great thing is tell me what the who who is the great character what is i think that's really the root of it like who is the great character in the in the show because i got nothing for characters i'm like i don't care about anybody i don't like anybody everyone's just a boring asshole you know like everyone i think maybe i'm uh because i get the impression that i probably have like i think i have the most like apathetic response to the show out of all of us here i'm like i'm like i don't know what it is um i don't i guess we're gonna go down and they i guess oh yeah we're gonna give our impressions you know of what we've seen so far i guess we'll go left to right well let's go most apathetic to least how about that oh well how we know what i'll say well sorry yeah out of a scale of one to ten for apathy what are you freeing me uh i guess i'm trying to figure out what my scale is because i probably don't want to include things that i would never care about at all right like a like a film or a tv show that just doesn't appeal to me in any way whatsoever because of course this is on the scale um i think so in the lead up to this show coming out i wasn't paying much attention to it um or the discussion surrounding it i think from the outset i was very disinterested in the existence of the show um i mean i'm pretty this seems to be a pretty common opinion at this point right why why why why do we need this why do we need to make a lot of the rings television show we got it we nailed it you know we did a good job like 20 years ago they got it we don't need to try again um but obviously i mean it's pretty clear right this show has pissed a lot of people off um it seems like a lot of the um i guess the apprehension towards it is doing uh owing to like differences from the source material and the lore and everything which i'm not as familiar with so there's definitely less of that uh i guess personal investment in that part um yeah i don't know i i find it um i didn't care that much before it came out i always started watching it it's like man this is just like such a nothing burger um though i guess the thing is is like having this conversation that's like yeah the show's got tons of problems like there's no getting around that it's got problems um i don't know i just uh yeah i'm super apathetic about it well i guess not super right i hung out here and long enough to talk about the show but yeah all right um but that's the apathy meadow okay maybe we should just go left or right i don't know probably uh yeah i i mean i i wasn't i certainly didn't want a uh lord the rings tv show in our current landscape for things getting made but i was happy to give it a chance as i do with lots of all of everything and i often get fascinated no matter what story i'm watching if it's high budget and modern i like to see what is everybody up to these days what are the writing strategies what do they try to do what do they fail at and stuff and this has just been for me that's why it's engaging i was actually expecting there to be much less for me to talk about when seeing these episodes especially how with everybody initially was describing it was incredibly boring more worthless empty and stuff which i don't actually take away from the fact that it really does feel that way more so than anything any probably tv show i've seen there is so much nothing in this um but at the same time there was a lot of mistakes here that i never expected to be made so stuff that's so easily avoidable so many choices that i made and so many action scenes or even just standard dialogue scenes are just like why did you have them say that why did you have them do that what was the point of all that didn't have to you could have made it much more streamlined much more interesting much more multi layered but the big thing that i noticed compared to even house the dragon is someone i mentioned on bright night tights was the fact that there's no character for me to be invested in the closest we've got is a couple that are like told to us what their basic traits may be for example some people saying like durin is one of the people they're more interested in i wish i could say the same in terms of like i don't even know what is his character he seemed to be pretty furious uh elrond but simultaneously doesn't seem to give a shit he's also seems like kind of a chill guy i don't know is that is that is that his character nor he cares about people and she won't follow the rules all right galadriel holy fuck where do i even begin with galadriel every single scene she's in it's like she wants me to despise her i don't get why why did they write her that way of course there are some theories and answers to these questions but uh who else we got it's like the elf man who's pretty eh there's just not much going on there i don't know he's he's guy he's hoping to find out the mystery of the village getting destroyed i guess this was like okay so it's just this just i'm just not waiting there's no scene with any particular character where i'm like ah sweet we got more of them which by the way there's like three people in house the dragon already that i'm like that with um i guess you could say i don't have that with anybody in she hulk but the thing is she hulks barely a tv show this i i see as a tv show more so just it's just failing miserably to have like a reason to exist while she hulk is like a weird collection of marvel's recent uh i don't know goals with with an attempt to cobble together a thing from a series of messes from writers admit and they don't even know what to do this is made by people who have some level of respect actually on the writing team i've had people say like but it's written by blah blah blah why wouldn't you know why wouldn't it be good and they packed so many dollars into this thing it was like so what did we have but it's like a pretty borked uh will building a plot line that is just just just wonky like there's some stuff that follows there are some scenes where you'll just be like all right that that makes enough sense but um did more say marvel isn't cinema i wouldn't have a marvel is absolutely all of this is cinema this was shown in a cinema okay so it must be oh my um but like i already know one episode three rolls around when i see galadriel i'll be like here we go again what do we got this time when i see fucking the half-foot such like i don't even know what we're in for what is the what are we doing uh for two whole hours i really do wonder what mainstream appeal it has but i'm hearing from some people that there is there it does work people are invested people are enjoying it and i was like all righty so um well so um this is recent news but apparently it's it debuted to like 25 million viewers so it's the biggest debut on amazon prime ever yeah which i would not be surprised i told you i've seen plenty of people saying this shows a fucking masterpiece and i'm just like whoa okay calm down the story i just like i don't even know what is it you see we highlighted about three things that we genuinely found to be strong in isolation which is about the similar score to mom by the way it's just that this doesn't have anywhere near as much incoherency yeah like i said this the show sails away with a couple of scenes that are just so nothing happens in them that they are neutral it's like there you go that was that scene oh mom can't even do that so you know but yeah so uh obviously i'd rather wait until the season is over to give more of a general perspective on what this was but right now it's just incredibly unimpressive and i think it's settled into bad happily i can't say that i've gone through this level of dialogue and events with that many complaints to say oh it's okay though but yeah that's probably that's probably how i feel about it overall so far what about you my little i love it no i'm just kidding uh i mean what can i add i mean to begin with is like oh great they're doing a lot of the rings show with the for themselves basically for themselves they just do want make one in this landscape and then all the interviews that came out and you're like oh that doesn't that doesn't sound very good doesn't look very promising and yeah then comes out and it's like oh they're all just not talking to each other it feels like they talk to me it's like oh you did this and this is like yeah i know you don't need to tell me that's like oh awesome i don't yeah i don't give a shit about any of the characters so far uh i don't know what we're doing next episode the i don't know what time is passing but i think we're led to believe everything is happening at the same time even though i don't believe it uh it's just another show that just has no idea how to do time stuff but just do things it's like i don't know how much time has passed where are we where are the people how far away are they from each other and then they all tie together with the meteor at least in that scene uh uh pacing is horrible because nothing happens and when things are happening they just say the things it's like yeah that happened nothing else to add to this conversation move move along and then they they jangled some good bits in there like the three things we pointed out and then they just poop all over it immediately because then you realize it's just a thing that didn't need to be in there because they just needed padding yeah i i i i would call it bad for sure we'll see what happens next but god damn when you when you meant because i spent a lot of time taking all these notes because i was meant to do a fortune at uh before uh this this was a thing but then i got busy because they released two of them at once so yeah no problem uh so i basically took like a whole i don't know afternoon taking all these notes and it's like oh great now i'm busy for like one and a half days and i guess that kind of threw a wretched everyone's time time plans because just if it wasn't supposed to happen and then you'll uh you were like this is gonna be live by the way he's like okay so yeah i uh yeah just just felt like a waste of time going through that as as notes because you you put down the notes and it's like there's nothing to talk about like i've written this down i want to add something to it to talk about but that's all that happens there's nothing else to grab so yeah it's just uh it's bad tism's not a not a fan so far we'll see what about you roots well i before i started watching the show and in all of the months leading up to it i was very concerned that this show would be of a kind that i would confuse it with the lord of the rings in the sense that i would link them together uh but i have found that it is very very easy for me to separate this and the lord of the rings movies from 20 years ago so that's very very fortunate um i don't hate this and a similar vein to free me i'm sort of apathetic on it there's nothing here that's insulting there's nothing in here that just makes you angry it's it's just just to kind of like this is kind of like the standard sort of bad it feels like where it's not abysmal it's not terrible but it's bad and in two hours of content and with all of their money i don't care about any of the characters i don't really care about the state of the world or what's happening i don't really know about this place it doesn't really feel real to me um there's just not i don't i'm not rooting for anybody i just kind of don't care at all about everyone i can have some pretty serious disdain for gladrile what a what a miserable protagonist but it just feels hollow and empty and it doesn't seem like there's a lot going on it's very inefficient in terms of its scenes and how things are shot characters generally suffer from incompetence and stupidity uh i definitely would not recommend it but it's certainly not nearly the worst thing that we've seen so far or seen lately but it's just it's not good there's nothing i could point to and say oh that's really good you should watch the show for that there's some aesthetics here and there that i like i like a song i like one conversation and that's it in two hours i don't know what else to say there we go i will uh so i think i might have misunderstood the question because i think i barely talked about the show itself i was just talking about it yeah my uh so i i find that that when we when we run through this show and and talk about it um something that i've noticed is uh it's it's like there's so little um there's so little like in this that it's it's kind of almost difficult to like to um identify and constitute breaches of character or plot or world building because it's like so little of substance is present in the story and yet you know those breaches still exist um this is i think the word that i would use to describe it is what i said before i find this show to be vacuous i don't know that there was a really passionate idea that spurred the creation of this show rather than we bought the rights to lord of the rings we want to make a television show we only have access to so much material so you know make it happen and so like you've got all of these resources funneled into this project that seems empty i think empty yeah empty like what what am i when i sit down to watch this show if the first two episodes any indication of like how the whole the whole show is going to be what exactly am i going to be pulling from this show by way of interesting characters and conflicts or theme what am what am i going to be extracting from this show because based on what we've got here right now i don't know i don't know what there is to latch on to like that's in a way even though i uh i just look at this show and it's like ah you know whatever at the same time it's it's almost like fascinating and perplexing to have a show that is in these episodes right two hours long to achieve so little by way of developing characters or um or advancing a plot or developing a theme of course that could all change with the next six episodes but i get the impression that it won't and so yeah ultimately you're left with a show that it's just it's it's just bad like it's regular bad um but but it's like but at the same time i don't really it's it's like a bad that slots into the middle and that i don't see the flip side of like how amazing anybody could consider this i just don't know what you would latch on to with this show um that's basically where i'm at with it i i find it very bland well that about does it yeah i think we all we all line up pretty i i think i had hypothesized we all lined up pretty close i think i think we do yeah yeah it's hard to pull much from it um and all right like i guess i just don't see anything because all of the character how how easy is it to distinguish between you take the fellowship you take that assortment of characters so well defined so clearly defined in terms of their traits what they believe in what drives them their temperament meanwhile we look at the cohort that we have here who over the course of this season will like almost certainly get more individual focus than a lot of the characters in the films right now a lot of them feel very similar i you know like what what is it that um meaningfully distinguishes a lot of these characters from one another especially feels that way with the elves the elf characters like pov characters um i just don't get much from them um in terms that distinguishes them from one another a lot of their core motivations yeah i don't know yeah well galadriel's fighter with a ptsd lead in history that's got issues just you know like she's pretty is she supposed to have ptsd i don't know if that's what they're going for because i don't think it is what they're going for she gets she gets kind of fear flashes though so maybe that's what's really like i like the flashes of the no don't say that i get ptsd when you say when you stop when you say p when you say fear flash i get fear flash and you just hear like bullets whistling all around explosions no i hear a i hear a french woman i hear this french nagging bitch talking to her baby that is amnesia rebirth through some people won't believe it but it's true that's what it is yeah that is what it is press x to all right yeah um all right obviously it's not over anymore rings of power come out just like there is for she just like there's how many episodes apparently there's only eight so we're quarter of the way through oh thank god oh little i think there's still plenty that's still six hours of further yeah but it could have been so much worse well meanwhile like shihok had the opposite problem where these episodes are so short and these conversations are so short that it's like you're jumping the dialogue is forgetting to connect like the scenes don't connect or the dialogue just feels chopped up so men should break a whole lot of shit with it so all right i mean well yeah i mean that show is riddled with problems though yeah it was bad but we can talk about that another time i suppose yes we can i'm sure we'll have plenty of things to talk about because so much will happen hmm but now we shall enter into the age of stupid chat reading we'll go for as long as is possibly so yeah i'm gonna grab a drink real quick and i'll be right back let's get it stocked up uh gandalf bonked his head back in 2001 just saying oh no any of the sillies happen we're a lot of the rings wasn't ever really that good no being on it's such a weird defense of something it was always kind of shit like yeah don't you worry about it it was mostly shit all the time all right everybody like oh gidoki why would you i mean there was it was not like there was ever anything about it that was appealing to people and the reason why it's endured in uh in culture this one says i thought it was all right i i guess i guess i'll find it all right yeah that's one i can totally understand anything above that though i just don't get it and even the ones that say it's all right i'd be like what did you enjoy you know oh yeah because that that's probably the the the follow-up question worth asking who did you like name five characters just name them for me face man except for glad and elrond elrond elrond lord longbong of mueslington abbey is there any good chance of a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on it'd be a movie fap for the ages yes whoa wagsies rich is for the good boy oh he appreciated that he's just muted for now while he fetches water i'm not sure uh and the chances of a kong fap well you know they're up there they're on the horizon of chances um we could be could be a fun you know what what what is the difference between watching something like that and a stone a boat uh think about it uh king pops up yeah does when he climbs the statue not the statue the empire state building what's the difference between an objective subject and a subjective object gone seven a subjective object is a funny combination of words isn't it that's something you see in your head and an objective subject is like well maybe it's if somebody says that's a butter knife no it's a blunt dagger see different interpretations there you go i think that's it now but also how is everyone's day any drinking pretty good no i'm not well drinking water pretty good today is gone a okay so far one of them i mean i was they told told about my day at the beginning of the stream so you've got that answer way in advance yeah that's service well these came in early so i guess you know they could have been around the same time maybe that would be perfect i think up in time when glad real said ice to meet you the to the troll i clapped that was probably my favorite ice to meet you pain or mc glad real uh since ian mcallon just talk about character you don't have a fun character in this who just has a charming kind of fun a little bit of a with the dwarf durin is the closest we're getting but even he like has annoyed me already well yeah yeah again it's just like he's not that entertaining um yeah ian mcallon since he hit his head on a rafter and fellowship does that mean all of the little durings can't be serious now yeah yeah definitely what it means yeah it was always silly it was always terrible silly bad and awful silly and smelly isen god has been unleashed it kind of is you know it's a different kind of evil all right hello all my knife ears oh my god whoa absolutely wow oh my god all my k words it's starting to think that efab is in fact not nazis and the story that you are nazis is just a public nice story to trick us less intellectuals public nice story i remember public nice story and chat trying to gaslight us into thinking that he was speaking normally how could you public nice story when rags plushie hi rags plushie um quite soon i'm thinking quite soon yeah by the way for those who don't know it is again linked in chat and foolishly i don't know if i put it in the description yet but it'll be in the mula one uh the makeshift plushies myself and fringy are still available there's 11 days rebating uh i them or i'll find you like 12 days actually but yeah um mel's gonna find you so look out yeah i'm right here looking beautiful oh i can take the copyright off we're clear yeah you got the mubishly and the fringy still available 11 to 12 days for another 12 days grab them while they're quite great and look eight that's doing great that's doing really well but moot lab four boys in the house yeah yeah yeah they're both approaching 900 the damn people are very much still invested in grabbing up them cuddly toys because why would they bring some beers or something yeah it's helping from the from the gas station uh some crisps um hello best friends root of the hour is the ackee what is an ackee ac you spell it ac k ee whoa i've never seen that that is that is bizarre i've never seen one of these before you should put these in a fantasy show no they just cgi um that's interesting do you eat the the insides or the outsides yeah do you eat the black seed thingies or do you eat like the the flesh bits do you throw away or is there a rind you throw away or uh like a yeah i i guess you eat them yeah like this in slices a mysterious thing that we'll never know the answers to because there's no information on the internet whatsoever it's a shame does rings of power suck yes the reed foundation of courage by jmd reed good fantasy with conflict and earning things all right no one one things to be given wings quote of the day the reason i said age of consent should be 12 is because you know what i'm not even going to get into that best yeah that's for the second cms wise man that's wise that's wise also loved hearing from wolf again yeah there's a couple of clips in the strange video yeah that was nice moola should play the mortuary's assistant for spook i have not heard of it i've seen people big youtubers are playing the shit out of it but i haven't watched a single video well look out there will be plenty of things on halloween spooky related don't you worry so we're gonna have another oh no we have to play the thing we do we will welcome to the next level happy efab 201 gotta get some sleep so have a nice stream and hopefully i can make it back before this episode is over hopefully you can you just might well just might it has we need live to five hours maybe they're back who knows who is a short boy or your information for anyone that doesn't know fin rod died like an absolute chat in the books killing a giant wolf with his bare hands in order to save baron the distant ancestor of aragorn him good for you fin rod chatting stun um obscure comic book villain of the day fisherman an aquaman bad guy whose gimmick is using fishing rods fishing line hooks and lures this is this is called hooking your audience ladies and gentlemen hey i mean here they should make a movie about that guy fisherman he would slot in perfectly to aquaman too and all of its nonsense is that happening yeah yeah for sure is that ever gonna come out i don't know when it's coming out but i'm sure it's happening i'll get you a picture of the fisherman i'm already picturing what he's gonna look like to be honest with you but i'll be it'll be interesting to see if i'm surprised i picture him wearing just like a bucket on his head there there is no it's not at all what i would have yeah i mean either yeah that's not what i was thinking his affiliation is your name fisherman fisherman fisherman sorry fisherman occupation thief he's also single so ladies if you're looking for a fisherman he's still available all right one when he's gonna make his debut in the dc extended universe aquaman got delayed by like a year didn't it it's meant to come out this December this year out to semi next year wow that's a delay well i think it got delayed to march and then it got delayed a further nine months yeah that is a big delay actually what why i think the first one was uh the first one was every dc thing got delayed because of visual effects stuff like um to give them more time to work on it i think shazam yeah because shazam got moved up to aquaman spot but it's the same like weekend the avatar too comes out so now that's delayed to march and so aquaman is being pushed out of that slot but i think flash is still june next year that's still happening hi metal the mollusk of the minute is the chiton hello i don't know what that means the mollus he's typing in that part been looking guy all right let me say i forgot was it mollusk of the what now that's interesting that's a strange critter very um very colorful fucking weird jam whoop um lord dem rangs uh that is rings powers sure when you're gonna read pixar's 22 rules that was on our potential list for for the anniversary it just didn't sort of really work out but uh we could make a whole episode we only had 24 hours exactly a little bit more like oh no we actually did oh wait no it was longer than that wasn't it because it's longer for us but not for the streams technically well except you got all like batwam in the content so true you know true true true that is true uh classic yugio card of the day is mega sonic eye but i gotta have to mask out of the day thing i see you're gonna look dumb isn't it why would you assume that now i have okay no clue why just i got i got you i got you there's the mega sonic eye i was right classic yugio cards have no cohesive art direction whatsoever they're just like fuck it whatever we have let's see made it's a machine made of mysterious metal that's that's not me that's just normal this monster is a doomsday machine from the edge of the universe oh my goodness he looks like a doomsday machine from the edge of the universe man with 1500 attack in 1800 defense that's not even that's strong pretty shit for a doomsday machine you got a tribute a monster to get a 1500 1800 normal monster i don't know anything about yugio anymore but that sounds that sounds shit i guess if it's classic yugio that's not terrible well so pretty bad uh doomsday machine is what i'm saying let's start preparing for sam hain with a playlist first song dead man's party by oingo boingo it's a dead man's party who could ask for more everybody's come and leave your body at the door don't run away it's only me what's what's sam hain who's sam hain no what's sam hain what i have no clue all right sorry don't know what sam hain is what in the sam hain maybe it's a band halloween your favorite holiday i have never been told that sam hain is halloween um i'm afraid i was to do with the pagan side of things i name sam hain yeah i i haven't i i don't i don't know about sam hain i'm sorry wow casual halloween fan here i'm just a fan of the modern versions not the classic sorry i just think like the modern adaptations are pretty cool i don't know we didn't want just come out or is is coming out halloween the last one allegedly halloween film yeah it's coming out and there was a quote where john carpenter said the first one was the only one essentially the first one was the only one who gave a shit about the rest of them was for money oh no i am paraphrasing so i might have i might have uh like mistakenly conveyed that but i think that was what he said something along those lines i heard a lot of review that house the dragon episode three is one of the best episodes compared to game of thrones well i'll be seeing that in literally 24 hours ish from now so hopefully it's good yeah that would be nice honestly i i i really had fun with um shad and androdic talking about the last episode because there's more for us to praise if they keep it keep that up that'll be nice hey and all might be okay knows i wanted to play crickets but uh i just don't have any that doesn't make my weird crickets good enough that sounds more like a bird shut up it's a weird cricket that's what they sound like in jimmy yeah pretty weird here yeah you're you're what's your strange german onomatopoeia for the cricket that's not it that's a wombo word do you think onomatopoeia is a wombo word it kind of sounds like one i know it is all words are all wombo words are real words yeah that's true that's true i'm feeling piled on you're all racist i just defended you they're on your side i'm the one getting piled on yeah now i feel that you're a bad person metal how do you feel about that wait only now you should have known better i used to think you were awful but now bad it's gone better i mean if you're looking for the helmet pile that's in the other room where like the other the the the other pile is here yeah having some content creators watch it to provide criticism is far more value than denying giving amazon another watch uh like i said i don't even see it being close to a competition on an individual level um that i'm not even sure the answer to that like uh what's better to ignore it and just say i hate that they've done this or to watch it and provide criticism in the form of a review from a user i don't know at this point they fucking stopped you from being able to do it so it must be making a difference however i would i just wouldn't want to push anybody to do any particular thing in terms of whether or not you'll pay to consume it this is this is so many ethical questions that come into it whether or not you believe that's something you should or shouldn't do i am simply going to recommend or not recommend and uh i will break it down as fairly as i can as i do everything or i'd like to think i do yes what are you gonna say they're free damn i forgot well all righty then uh remember guys negative reviews don't affect Suicide Squad's box office so why would studios waste money on that patrick williams huh oh and then didn't he say that when he wants to watch a film he'll like skim the reviews yeah he just contradicts himself completely the problem is that i so something that is annoying to me is that the reviews do matter but often people focus on metrics that i consider to either be misleading or worthless like i find rotten tomatoes to be borderline like worthless as a metric yeah because what does it mean for something to get a lot of positive you know like a good again to understand the system now it could be wrong but i'm pretty sure this is how it works the way that it works is if your review is above a six out of ten um then it's considered positive fresh and if it's below six out of ten it's considered rotten so every single review for a thing could be a six out of ten and apparently it's a hundred percent certified fresh it's like a hundred percent certified that this is slightly above average you know what i mean like it's not it's just not a valuable meanwhile you can have something that's divisive that gets a split like a 50 or 40 it's just not a good meta critic is way better and even meta critic isn't that good like just a number score but a number score is way more useful than just did they like or dislike it it's like yeah but how much you know i mean we should move away from number scores in general anyway but number scores are better than than rotten tomatoes and before anyone says like wow coming from someone who's given number scores that occupies like 0.01 percent of our coverage if that i i would certainly hope that the thing that you come to uh the show for is not just the number not the number at all really i hope that the most important part is the discussion about the show or the film or the game rather than the number that's assigned to it at the end that's like the least important part um amazon oh good a few content creators have watched our show and left a bad review now our billion dollar investment is totally with it more ha ha ha ha amazon go trust me they don't want us reviewing it negatively that's not their preference why would they cover up the why would they prevent people from giving review if amazon were told the friday night episode friday tides episode annihilating rings of power can not happen in exchange for losing 20 views what do you think they'd do i think i think they'd lose 20 views and that's my way of saying it accounts for all the people on that show having seen it but i'm not saying what they've seen registers as a view necessarily you know i'm not i'm not even making that claim i'm making any claims uh rags any thoughts on rags any thoughts on biden's press conference no amazon is saaron and you are four brave hobbits we are brave yeah i'm gonna make our way to one more part of all of us as little hobbits going on an adventure hopefully none of us die which one of us is frodo and who's sam me which which one which one i am rags you reckon yeah i'm i'm i'm i am sam i am you're the tree hero of the story yep that's me y'all thought it was mauler but it turns out it was me all alone i'm happy to any of four of them i love them all yeah i do that's the thing they're all good yeah they're all great even the goofy one gets is you know it is kind of like a hero at heart like they're all they're all good and how much did we know about them after two hours of fellowship we knew so much about them and those are just the four hobbits i uh now i i was about to this man i'm just wondering like if this thought is even worthwhile i was about to uh have you heard of um uh oh my god i'm blank hemmingway's uh iceberg theory have you heard of that maybe i don't know describe it i might have i haven't essentially hemmingway had the perspective that um when it comes to writing uh you should think of it like it's an iceberg where like the top part is the part that you're writing and the rest of it can be inferred based on that top part so like the it would be it would be that the approach to writing is that you don't have to explain everything you don't have to like people can fill in the blanks like people can people can figure things out based on like what you've written i'm not sure if he meant it quite in this way but i imagine that he might have um that uh if you think about like writing a character there's a lot that is unsaid there's a lot that you don't explicitly communicate through dialogue or through prose it will just come through um that will just come through based on on the way that that character acts you know why do they choose to say certain things in a certain way their temperament why you know like you don't need explicit answers to why somebody is a cheery person um or why somebody has a uh is a little bit more pessimistic like that stuff can come through naturally um just when characters interact with each other or depending on what circumstances you throw the characters um into and i mean i i guess you look at something like Lord of the Rings like those films the characters really come through very clearly um in just what they say and how they act in a way that is not the case uh in this show i don't i don't know what i can really make of anybody based on the things that they say or do in terms of their history agreed about the stop watching bad stuff argument isn't it better to just pirate stuff you feel is going to be bad like rings of power and if it's actually good you can financially support it afterwards thoughts first off is you probably won't do that but um i don't i don't uh i tend to like to buy physical versions of my favorite media um i pay same as nowadays buying physical services so you know get access to a whole bunch of stuff there's there's a lot of avenues is i think this is genuinely going to be down to the individual for what they believe is ethical slash deserved of the content itself and how they approach it they may want to make a variable being careful because they wouldn't want to be classified as someone who is supporting it but i think it goes a lot more complicated than a simple view it's a good thing they have youtuber is online that they trust to watch it and tell them what they think about it to maybe help give them an informed decision on whether they would like to purchase the media yeah i think have we done that before if we break something down it's good we'll we'll open with saying like you should watch this first watch this don't don't look at us break it down until you've seen it watch it like well yeah that's what yeah because what we do here is not a review in in what is often the traditional sense where it's basically like a broad overview what i liked it recommend like this is exhaustive you're kind of coming something different than a recommendation or not a recommendation when it comes to a this sort of coverage the hope is that when something's really good the discussion will help clarify those thoughts for us and for you and if something isn't good it can become clearer why so like if there's any sort of not necessarily confusion but um uncertainty you know like a lack of clarity and then um then it just sort of gets clarified because of the discussion a bit different from like yeah recommend thumbs up thumbs down yeah there's a follow-up saying clearly the answer is pirating it i don't know i have no idea no not got any comments on that one way or another don't know what you're talking about uh looking at replies of guy that started the disc they're calling brackets cthulhu admits he was trying to joke with about it had a later tweet regretting what he'd started started the oh looking at the replies of the guy that started the discussion i assume but it says in brackets cthulhu admits he was trying to joke with you about it had a later tweet regretting what he started i'm not sure we're talking about no clue what this is referring to is it no clue someone i've replied to on twitter is what they're saying maybe i don't know it's possible because yeah i mean you got to be clear on twitter because if i'm fucking tell without i always recommend everyone use emojis oh he's the guy who said that i shouldn't be hate watching something yeah well i mean it's annoying because i'm not hate watching i don't do that i've always found it really odd um unless i'm misunderstanding the definition because the way i understand it is you are actively fucking furious at this content you're just waiting for something to be angry at that's not what i'm doing the rings of power not even close i am watching each scene as it comes and i'm taking it seriously and i want to enjoy it i'd want to get a good story i'm not getting it so far i'm in the same vein for a house the dragon and i've explained to everybody i'm super biased against house the dragon and i'm still like uh you know this stuff here i'm enjoying this that and the other um but yeah uh that guy maybe that guy was trying to make a funny about it but holy shit i've gotten a lot of crap for uh breaking this down i've even had people try to defend me but be like it's his job though and i was like there's way more fun to battle reasons that i do things that just it's my job but uh you know fine no you're doing it for money right that's a lot a lot of people have been saying too which is a frustrating but whatever the whole anytime someone says my motivation is a buddy i'm just like sure i feel like that's just um you you know someone could just have a genuine interest in discussing something which i do i seem to be but like you know sometimes people just want to talk about something i think it's safe to say that i'm relatively invested in discussing rings of power i wasn't expecting to be but i kind of am i'm fascinated that this many millions was shoved into something this uh mediocre that's a bad yeah it's nice to see some old school bad stuff you know um i agree with you my copy of the last verse two has been circulating among my friends who wanted to check it out for years they ain't buying their own copies that's actually yeah there are plenty of ways you can stick and vent money going to the people that you don't want it to go to if so if such a thing would be your goal for whatever reason that may be do you guys remember online passes do you remember that online pass that yeah back in which or can 10 years ago at this point like with mass effect three and stuff ea would do a thing where with every new copy of like a game that they sold there would be a unique that like online pass yeah the the the whole way was live kind of stuff it was it was um it was it was basically a system of making it to where the new copy of the game was ultimately like better than the used copy of the game and it had greater functionality because you can only use one she couldn't disseminate that because reality is that use games are bad for uh for the games industry um or what wait no i don't want to say it like that use games are good for consumers but they're not good for publishers or developers um and and that you know whatever especially when like companies like GameStop very actively oh yeah like selling use games they want to sell use games because that's way better return on and like that's just a way better profit margin for them you go into you go into a GameStop and say oh instead of buying this new game for sixty dollars buy this used copy for fifty five dollars so that we get fifty five dollars and the developer doesn't get you know well it's not even like the developer gets nothing it's just we get lots of money for that like it's a way better deal for us um the problem is that at the end of the day i remember total biscuit made a video that was like quite interesting because he was making more of the case that like use games are um not good for the industry it was kind of it was controversial at the time because i think it was around the time of the xbox one reveal um i can't remember exactly his perspective on the xbox one reveal but i remember there's perspective on used games was definitely the uh unpopular perspective of the time i mean with seventy dollar games now like man oof it's uh it's interesting to see people say like oh yeah but i mean inflation it's like you got to remember like these games have way more um monetization models available to them yeah yeah don't give me that horseshit anymore with every game it just seems to have this microtransactions and it's easier than ever to add dlcs and add-ons and knickknacks and doodads for you to buy i just i just don't believe that your seventy dollar game you're not going to also try and sell me more stuff you're not giving me the full experience anymore for that you know that cost of entry we are it never ends right not after the the purchase of the game that's the beginning that's not even the most important part anymore to a lot of public again EA makes billion dollars from uh not they make more money from FIFA ultimate team alone than selling games like all games they sell insane uh it's insane but it probably shouldn't be surprising what is the um what is the profit margin on selling a game if you sell it physically it's it's fuck all i think it's like for for every sixty dollar game it's like twelve dollars digital is obviously a lot higher um but and again that's something in the discussion too with inflation it's like way more digital copies of games get sold now than it used to be now it's like 50 50 like it's i think it's like a 50 50 split so you're just making way more money anyway yeah you understand on shipping packaging yeah you used to in much greater uh numbers than now but now it's like yeah the profit much these companies make more money now than they used to like at the end of the day so any argument that gets made and the way out and again when you think about the bonuses that like uh the the CEOs often take back it's like oh yes you got to raise the price because it's good for the developers sure if you say so like if you say so trickle down game monomics trickle down game monomics oh pardon me i thought the 500 million was for five seasons not one 500 million is for season one yeah it's i think it's i think it's um as i understand it is a five season commitment production commitment and they paid 250 million dollars for the rights and i think the production budget for this season was 500 million dollars it is far and away the most expensive television show ever made oh and that doesn't include marketing either or the production budget i don't think so if there's that uh also did you see jeremy johns had to drink scotch to get through the review love me oh these yeah uh how many copies did halo infinite sell i don't think we know um i don't because game pass now as well and free to play so it doesn't matter as much how's that game doing after all the bad reviews also hyreg uh well we can talk about that a little bit halo infinite's new update and run uh what's coming out fucking hell what happened what happened season three starts in march which means that season two which was already considered long for running for six months is now running for what 10 10 months for one season one season that only had two maps and like one new prominent game mode um i'm pretty sure that the i'm pretty sure co-op was meant to come out by this month i think it was meant to be part of this season but now it's part of the uh the winter update and uh and in exchange for campaign co-op the split screen co-op which was promised has been cancelled yep um but the worst part is i don't quite understand the nature of uh of how it was achieved but i've seen a video where somebody just managed to get co-op working split screen co-op in halo infinite like working for them so i i don't know why i don't know what the problem is i don't know why it's so hard um i don't know why you would promise it and especially when there was a quote from bonnie ross where they said that like all future games will have co-op because halo five got a negative reaction for the cut this is worse because this is after the game has already been bought by people who had an expectation and a pretty reasonable one that it was going to come eventually but this is the problem this is the problem with the nature of unfinished games yeah they can promise that things are coming but they can always change their mind you know what what are you to do with that it's like yeah we can't make it work we don't feel like doing it anymore um and you're making that promise in the environment of you know this game is going to come out and it's not going to be feature rich and you're struggling clearly struggling as it is to get this game out and you're making promises about adding content like man yeah like edge regrets man man a little bit yeah but but we gotta look i i'll see if i can pull up the uh the roadmap but we gotta think about where we're at it is nearly a year nearly a year since halo infinite came out um when it released it had a campaign that i think at this now i didn't finish it i think i got about halfway but from everything i've heard and based on what was in that game it seems like the campaign that they made is not a complete story that it wasn't what they originally intended that that perhaps even a battle royale like arena was repurposed for the campaign it is lacking by comparison to prior games in terms of differences in the environment or like progression of the narrative um so we got that and we got a multiplayer mode that had uh very few maps um i think it had eight something like that eight um now admittedly that's similar to what uh what the other games had but no forge no campaign co-op but split screen or online no fire yeah uh and then think about the progressions this is the part that's really frustrating about halo infinite live service game what are the trade-offs of a live service game well it's the monetization model we need a battle pass we need microtransactions and we've reached the point where it is basically agreed upon that microtransactions will take the form of cosmetic items skins um at this point color permutations as well or not color permutations color schemes yeah armor permutations um so you compare it to the games that came before especially the likes of halo reach which had an incredibly robust um customization suite which you didn't have to pay any extra money for that that's end of the game you know and that's that's what we compare it back to like this was present in prior games a progression system that was really fully featured and didn't cost me anything um but that's gone we've lost that now we've lost it in exchange for free updates continuously free new content that's the trade-off that's the deal that um players have essentially accepted what have we gotten for that the progression system is booked but we haven't received anything uh for that except for what two maps one new like one major new mode um in 10 months that's shit well it's fucking worthless of course people are angry about that you can buy like yes you can buy you can buy color schemes that you used to be able to just freely customize that's wild they're like no you can't you don't even get like all your colors you got to it doesn't help that i recall of them that like half of them were just straight up ugly as sin well yeah there's a lot of um like the combos that i would want don't exist so like i've just got less options i've got less options and i have to do you guys remember how the xp system was when it came out do you guys remember that like you could play matches and gain no experience yeah at launch hit the challenges you need to you just you you do not progress like think think about that that you had like this is what's really annoying about um about this this uh this entire arrangements you have you have to accept a system that is much worse in several different ways you have less options with how you can customize your character when you're playing the game you have to adopt play styles that may be of no interest to you at all in order to progress through the battle pass system that for a large portion of the stuff that you have to unlock you have to pay for a specific weapon or a specific thing go out of your way to do this thing that may not be very fun to you and you accept that might not be fun and it might not help your team either so fuck your team i have to i have to get this these kills with this one weapon so you have to your incentivize to play selfishly in order to just like customize your character and you accept all of these trade-offs in exchange for new free content going forward i think that's that's fair but then then it doesn't come the content hasn't been delivered because at this point now uh looking forward i think the two maps that are getting released as part of the winter update are forge maps and then you'll get you two fully curated new maps in march of 2023 while forge is still in beta and campaign co-op comes out in november at this point uh and then you get your first new weapon uh a year and a half after the game comes out it's just not good enough it just isn't there's no getting around that um and it is particularly to see people go around and be like it's not that big a deal it's like yeah sure in the grand scheme of the cosmos you know what hello infinite having pretty bad post-launch content not that big of a deal but in the grand scheme of my fucking living room it actually is a little bit important it's just people like people still care about this series after all this time which i think it had a big launch it had a really successful launch it got a lot of players on board it did the hard part and then it didn't have anything to keep them with and to think the year that battle it released in the year of battlefield 2042 and call a judy vanguard you had it you were there you did you got it you were you were fully set up for success i had to do is put shit in it that's all they need well and fix some aesthetics and the xp thing and then like that i mean that alone is so much about that is but also the desync that's a big problem that still has to be fair um that's still a big problem the desync issue but compared to where battlefield 2042 was worse launch in that series undeniably i think battlefield three for all of its problems at least had like a core that was worthwhile 2042 just seems to be a catastrophe um everyone i understand call a judy vanguard's pretty shit um so this was the people who we call a duty are saying that yeah exactly so like it's probably horrendous it's probably really bad if they don't even like it this was their time to to shine to yeah stars lined up for him like and they fucked it up they blew it um and at the end of the day because a lot's being said about the nature of how it's difficult to make games now compared to before like it takes a lot longer the game's more complex the assets take longer to make um this is all true at the end of the day players are receptive to content that that's it that's at the end of the day like it doesn't matter if you go around and tell everybody well halo infinite was harder to make than halo three like we it just takes long we need more people more time more money at the end of the day halo three had a certain amount of content and this game has less than that you know at that point does it balance out with how big your team is and your publisher and the the more the more amount of people who are out there to buy your game now and i mean like look halo three didn't even release on pc no it didn't so that's like an entire system you have that they've opened up your game to which it did quite well on originally it's it's uh i wonder at this point if like microsoft um like what what is microsoft's perspective at this point in terms of the value of their intellectual properties like where does halo sit now compared to like forza or gears of war like from what i understand last few years of war games have reasonably well received i like five games yeah well i'll buy the next one like if based off of how much i enjoyed five i'll buy the next gears of war right compared to how many people at this point are interested in the problem is now even uh even when halo infinite gets to a point where more stuff is coming out um is that not too little too late you know like um if we if we get to the end of june next year which is the end of the third season that'll have been more than one and a half years since the game came out um and what will it have it will have released four new maps you can say six if we include the forge ones which for sure six new maps one new weapon no new game modes uh no new no new like firefight or anything if you get what i mean and um in a year and a half like damn damn you compare that to what a lot of other games that are competing in the same like for all of the problems that call of duty has to be fair i'm pretty out of the loop on call of duty i would imagine that they've released a lot more maps and modes and stuff in a year and a half than uh then released by halo infinite now whether or not that's good i guess that's a whole conversation but um like that's who they're competing against though um as well as just other games and other genres yeah it's not good enough it just isn't that's that's that's all there is to it um fucking shame sorry i guess tangent over all right bring more or said i can't find neat animals for you to look at anymore i have no purpose in life now i i don't think you said that right you just say that did you what explain yourself don't have to because i didn't say it yeah i thought we're just limiting our animals of the day or uh yeah it'd be nice we could get maybe one but even then i don't yeah i'm an animal of the day is cool we like animal of the day not zoo of the day not to mention the pokemon digimon i'm getting a little like yeah we get a day of the day listen we've passed over episodes 100 now i feel like that it's a new you know we we don't of the day you know it's become an old fad it's become a tired and antiquated form you want to get out there and find some new ones do not necessarily reflect the rest of the efab cast they never have because i'm often right with your wrong rap just worth stating worth stating i wouldn't want your voices hatched the mine we even sound like the anakin d'arth vader from the kanobi show i was like us pleasing together and was the emperor remember they don't talk about the emperor at all as to who's at fault just yeah they really don't he was watching all that unfold he was like don't bring me up don't bring me up don't bring me up oh fuck yeah he didn't bring me up at all that's great and then he kind of eventually was like how come you didn't bring me up i kind of did a lot for you man um i have not watched this show yet i have and then they've got a little black flag who knows what that could signify i have no clue sassas creed fan i don't know don't underestimate people's stupidity i often do and then i regret it and yet somehow i often do we're the super chats for 189 ever read uh they are the offline one that we premiered i will we'll need to go grab them i will and i'll pop them into our next catch up of which will likely be oh god the the catch up thing right now is a little complicated in terms of getting everything in a streamlined way because of the the one stream we did where it broke like halfway through i will explain it all once we get it all in a in a understandable order don't i swear if jay watches ring of power before jackson trilogy you all need to launch them to the moon i don't think i don't think jay's gonna watch ring of power that will be that will be just unacceptable will be fine holy dawn almighty play out of wilds and soma play fringiel sorry him springy plays soma already i'll get around to it thriving yourselves with some of your favorite media ever shake my head better than lord the rings trilogy in epsilon station soma play you you believe it's fair to pirate media you don't want to support assuming it was legal curious on your views on piracy if you're willing that would require what do you mean a whole uh episode not necessarily is my answer it is incredibly complex to go through all the layers of how to consume ethically versus supporting versus like your desire your entitlement to entertainment what entertainment should be what is the promise of entertainment when it's provided to you what are you paying for when should you get refunds there's there's there's so many subjects it would genuinely be its own e-fab episode legal piracy a funny way to look at it do you believe it's fair oh wait i read the one the trees were in the first age which didn't end until morgoth's defeat by the valar in the war of wrath elves live in middle earth when it's flat so it's obvious that the elves are flat middle earthers so they don't understand easy concepts like buoyancy of course well there are many flat earthers who think that buoyancy and density are the reasons why things fall they don't believe a lot of flat earthers don't believe in gravity they attribute the phenomenon of course why would you yeah if you yeah that i mean honestly if you think the world is flat you're just like why wouldn't you believe just any horseshit yeah okay people think of it as it must be an all or nothing consumer boycott but critics should also watch it to help crush it while consumers boycott while the consumers boycott because that i if you genuinely think in what will help the show more for us to not watch it and not talk about it or for us to talk about it and explain how bad it is i feel like it's obvious ideas i guess bill boat bragan stone boat emporium okay sounds like a place to visit and get some souvenirs i've always liked that word emporium like when you when you say when you say that word emporium your mind instantly just thinks of some kind of like what what is this place of wonders with knickknacks and doodads and trinkets of of all kinds of fun gizmos galore like who knows what could be inside an emporium it's just it's just you you your cup runneth over with concepts and ideas and i love it it's just brimming with uh brimming with ideas i love emporiums that's the place of wonderment and joy i wish this series had never happened so do all who live to see such cringe but that is not for them to decide all we have to decide is how to meme the cringe that is forced upon i'm convinced the don't watch or support is pushed by amazon it would be beneficial to them i believe that's just an interesting thing that's happened there i think it's him just trying to explain that life isn't fair and that others will try and drag you down but you need to be better than them but in the worst way possible oh i thought he was just saying this what fringes talking about where it's like he almost implies it's hard to see the route forward when everything is so similar everything's so bright or whatever what so i think that what that scene is meant to convey is that when things are too good or when things seem like they're too good they can obscure potential dangers or threats that you essentially become complacent with your situation and then the whole point is glad you're not willing to accept that i believe that that is the correct i don't think that it's conveyed well at all to be clear but i think that that's exactly what they're trying to get across food represent that is a pretty interesting interpretation i'm uh now tell us what relevance this has to uh a bullies through a rock at your paper but i don't i don't know that was so that's what i'm getting at when i say the sloppiness of it all i think that it's pulling conveyed i don't think it has anything to do with the scene that they show but i let's put it this way when i say that i think that's the correct observation about that i'm not pulling it from uh from this is not like a meaningful discussion about themes and pulling meaning from a diet from a scene like this is just me thinking what are the riders trying to communicate here what is their goal right now like what is it that they're seeking to achieve here i think it matches her first episode journey which is i'm pretty sure there's a darkness over there and i was like no everything's chill everything's great everything has so great going to the lunch he's like no i gotta go back you know i gotta i gotta go back i've got unfinished business but uh yeah as was said very poorly communicated i think hey guys at the 150s as far as my e-fap catch up and loving it have any of you have ever played ultra kill on steam an old school shooter with a lot of style where you heal with the blood of your enemies cheers yeah ultra kill is uh it's super cool it's it's part of what seems to be a new genre of um i guess nostalgic indie games and that it's pulling from the style of like the 90s in terms of 3d games you know like kind of a 16 bit uh not 16 bit 32 bit like style it's uh it's cool that game is cool yes one style games well this is uh more like in the vein of um like i guess it'd be like quake you'd be people saying like that's a style that's coming into its own now and is becoming prevalent in the same way that ps1 style is also sort of becoming a thing with indie games yeah whereas i think it's just i don't know if it's necessarily like people are doing it to do it or if that is a sort of style we call it style but because that once they were just limitations but i think now it's a style in the same way that picks a lot as a style yeah it has become feasible for small groups of people or singular people to make games of that level so they they lean into it being a style yeah and then it eventually becomes a style that you actively pursue in the same way that a lot of pixel art is like a lot of pixel art you see now with beyond what would have been achievable on those consoles but like it feels it's evocative of that yeah that style it's like the memory of the memory of its romanticized and better than it probably was especially if you played those games as children so your attention will do better you look at something like shovel night shovel night wouldn't run on it well i could now it could be wrong but i'm pretty sure shovel night wouldn't like it it feels like an nes game but it doesn't it looks better than nes games um but that would be only if you ever like put them side by side like at the end of the day it feels like a game from that uh from that time which is more important than whether it actually like fits so much stuff happens at the end of the day what's up so much stuff happens at the end of the day what do you mean every time you do any kind of assessment at the end of the day oh sorry yeah ringy ringy back loads his days yeah or he doesn't do much in the morning when he wakes up his afternoons something a few things happen yeah and right as he's starting to get tired before he goes to bed he just cram it's it is crunch time we have we have to do before bed and you guys bully me on these these phrases i was complimenting throwing rocks at your at your boat right where there's nothing in there let's bully you know the difference between a rock and a comes to floating yeah i'm out of one of them is much denser than water which probably explains why it doesn't float yeah that's what i was gonna say no denser than water too right it's because of the displacement of the yeah it displaces an amount of water that weighs more than itself i think is what terms are more dense than would because that yeah well it's it's that fun fact right satan if there was an ocean big enough to contain that satan would float on uh on uh the ocean because satan is less dense than water right sorry are you saying satan or satan satan the plan okay i was just making sure yeah i don't know about satan god did he i you probably wouldn't float on it what was satan the god of satan yeah satan is um because jupiter was the zoos equivalent mercury mars is the aries equivalent uh i think mercury mercury is like the uh it's uh what's the story for me for me yeah described as okay his greek equivalent was cronus uh so satan was uh uh he's a care he's described as a god of time generation dissolution and abundance ah so i guess he technically wasn't a god so much as a titan i think he was a titan that's what cronus was a titan well cronus was a titan but i don't know how it works in roman stuff i'm he was zoos's father he was the father of the three brothers so cronus is uh so he would be so jupiter neptune included in the roman yeah okay and what was urinus what was he what was he the uh he was the god of prostate health um he was uh the roman god urinus is associated with the roman god calis uh so his so urinus is greek his roman equivalent is calis so the god is urinus uh the primordial god of the sky greeks in the sky is a solid dome of brass decorated with stars whose edges descended to rest upon the outermost limits of the flat earth um of course that's a mythology because the greeks knew uh real world it's fair okay of course they're wisdom of the ancients of course that's right they got it all right all those ancient cultures there they i wonder why um i wonder why so many of the planets were named after roman gods instead of greek gods um probably because of the just cultural prominence of the roman empire in western in the western world um right that actually i was so the thing is is i know that urinus neptune were discovered later but i'm pretty sure that um i'm pretty sure that a lot of the other planets were known about for a long time uh mercury was named for the messenger god because it appears to move so swiftly across the sky it is the closest planet to the sun uh jupiter shares a title with the king of the gods because it's the solar system's giant so yeah the thing is i'm pretty sure i learned about all of these things because um i just can't remember now because i remember i think urinus was discovered in or am i mixing because pluto was discovered in the 20th century i think um something like that yeah around the i think it was the 18 the 18 19th century i think it was discovered pretty close back to back uh dates planets were discovered and i think that uh yeah i've got a timeline here it looks like we've got sun earth when was earth discovered i wonder uh let's the 90s i think i'm looking for urinus was discovered 1781 yeah we have neptune in 1846 oh my god psa sitz released a video what pluto was 1930 yeah that's right and i think it was either i forget if it was pluto or urinus that was discovered because we we observe the uh the orbital patterns of the other planets and we calculated that there was another gravity you know some sort of something else generated gravitation and then we found it well because um i that does sound about right um i'm pretty sure neptune has a uh an abnormal orbital um because all the planets orbit around the sun a little bit differently different planes and whatnot isn't um one of them has like an elliptical orbit though doesn't it i think they all work i might be thinking of the wrong word we're like at different it it orbits a noticeably closer to the sun at some point in time and then noticeably further away um well elliptical orbits i think are like an oval they're not a perfect circular orbit now i think all of the planets i think all the planets have elliptical orbits uh i think it's i think it's um no pluto is the one that i think has a uh because they all orbit at a slightly different no i think yeah i think you're right um damn i did learn about this stuff but now it's all flooding back much like how almost all of the moons are title locked as well it's odd for them not to be oh uh well so i i know that um a lot of the uh the red um i can't red dwarfs that's what they're called um like you're in hey rocker i'm talking about stars oh gotcha a lot of the planets which orbit those stars because they're so small um and because a lot of the planets orbit so close no fuck i'm mixing up it's that any of the planets that are in the orbitals uh the golden lock zones of those types of stars uh typically tidally locked because they need to be close enough to the um in order for them to be in the golden lock zones of those stars they are orbiting quite close to those uh to those stars and so their orbits end up getting locked it says all 19 known moons in the solar system that are large enough to be round are tidally locked with their primaries well yeah because the do you say moons yeah all 19 known moons in the solar system there are more than 19 known are you talking about like the ones that are there are 19 known that are all 19 known moons in the solar system that are large enough to be round oh sure right like we're talking about ganamea and um and uh titan and and of course our little moon yeah a lot of the moons have really cool names as well io well maybe that one isn't that cool io ios fine ios all right ios fine i like i think i i appreciate its shortness yeah io because there's callisto as well which is cool what's the one that looks like the death star oh you know that's no moon yeah wait callisto or am i mixing up with one of the dwarf planets no it's like in it's like in the movie when i when when you said what's the moon that looks like a death star and i said that's no oh i see uh uh we got i like how ours is just moon well i think um or a lot of science fiction stuff we'll just call it luna yeah i think that's like it's unofficial official name kind of like how solar system will often just be called soul the solar system systems that all are you know like i mean look we made it's not a point of contention yeah i mean even today generally when you refer to a solar system at all probably yours most of the stuff does seem to happen here that is of importance to you well as far as we can tell this is the only one that's got people in it so you know we got time right no that's a cool one as well yeah one that has the awesome volcanoes on its surface the ones that shoot like hundreds of kilometers into the air i don't know i think that's you are good you have charon phobos daftness joukasta so these are really neat you can just get a list here epimethias adrasta titania hyperion hyperion is an awesome name yeah eurydemy eukility hyperion hotel yeah hegemony tethys then we have corpo calicor yeah we got some fucking cool moons ours is called moon ours is called moon made the moon is cool it's got the best one yeah i suppose the moon yeah it's like the sun i think i think titan is the most interesting one but it's kind of become the most boring one because it's it's the one that is most frequently used as like a it seems like titan is very frequently like the focus of science fiction stories frequently obviously in a scale of how how often is a relatively we're gonna focus on you compare it to any other variant yeah that could be second only to the moon it's titan well what what were the moons in uh 2010 uh what do you mean uh the 1984 film 2010 the year i i'd have to re i had to rewatch it um let's see io okay io and giropa are the moons for in 2010 that's the one that's the one with the posters like a baby in space i'd need to see that one again wasn't the uh the sprawl in dead space too that was a titan right yeah that's right that's titan station it was it's like built into the side of uh some kind of i it was either like a massive asteroid or maybe it was i i forget what it looks like from the outside i'd have to double jump i was talking google it now i uh i will say when it comes to favorite planet satan is probably my favorite i think that the rings like really make that one yeah the rings it's almost not fair is it it's not fair like how does any other planet compete with satan satan is so cool like the ring system it just makes it so unique not i mean because i think uh jupiter has one ring maybe two and then i think uh urinus has like 20 or 30 or something whereas satan's got thousands um nap tune nap tune is a cool planet all of the gas giants are really interesting like the fact that jupiter has these crazy storms pretty sure nap tune doesn't have like persistent 300 kilometer per hour winds of like glass and stuff as well oh uh i checked it real quick titan station colloquially known as the sprawl was an earth gove space station built into the last remaining fragment of titan one of satan's moons in the site of the first planet crack oh i see right i wonder if uh hmm of all the of all the moons to crack maybe titan has a whole bunch of resources who knows that's enough moon talk for now though damn you didn't even clarify with rags beforehand you just said it is oh well what are you like rags would you like to continue discussing moons i can talk about moons for ages i can talk about moons just i mean for about that long really i guess i could keep talking about them you know if i needed to i could talk about moons you know like like if our moon was like a lush that would be that would be crazy though if our moon was actually a really lush atmospheric place you know and there was like a civilization on the moon and there was a civilization here on earth and we like transform like humanity that we'd be yeah like how long would it take for us to be able to contact one another you know and what would happen it just be like we're always like so close yet so far away you know an alien civilization that's there on the moon and then we're on the primary you know and you know it takes us until you know the 1900s or so until we're able to actually go to each other and meet after all this time well so that would be an interesting thing if like radio signals or something you know that that for a good well maybe maybe would be motivated to get there much faster than we did which admittedly is very fast anyway you think about how long it took us to get there like if there are radio waves and communication between earth and the moon and you know there's people there it's just a matter of how do we get there i imagine that that would be yeah but just think about like how much because the moon is so significant and like pretty much every culture in the world like throughout all of history imagine how different that would be if if like the moon was green you know if like the moon looked like earth takes about two and a half seconds for radio waves to uh yeah the moon moon be close be very close by let's see uh yeah i guess yeah that'd be neat that'd be that's a neat idea that'd be neat concept though i think the exciting thing right in the future would be imagine looking up at the moon and there's a whole bunch of lights on there we've got a city there go visit the moon you hang out at the moon jump around yeah relax take a take a bit of weight off haha nice so someone asked what if our moon had a nano machine monster it's like well that would be silly that would be ridiculous the moon had a i don't know what the movie was about that if a movie was not only about that but they didn't reveal that bit until like they didn't really even like there's a whole oh my goodness gracious what a film what a film speaking of films what what's the next super chat you got there muesh wow for a second time didn't ask rags if you i'm just asking what if you got another that's okay because i think that moons i will i will ask rags is all right if we uh if we continue who's is yes it's it's all right with me i've had enough moon talk for the moment i got you so next up you got uh hi rags hello would you rather be married to movie bob or would you rather second one be it's funny you say that the second option is to become a hutsugu liquor i'd rather be married to movie bob yeah spoke to suit a yeah i'd rather be married to movie bob i feel like i could like you're married to him but you don't have to you don't have to love him you don't have to live with him even right do you probably wouldn't want to be around you he wants he'd be like yeah we're married but you have to stay out of my basement apartment maybe just divorce him last time you were here you knocked over my cans you bitch you bastard no one knocks over my cans but me as opposed to put them in a bag made it to florida from washington state ended up being 2900 miles which was five full days of driving the mom video and to efab 200 got me through the tennessee but helped a lot thank you for your longness that's one fucking hell of a drive from washington to just the whole country isn't it that's basically across the country and combing up those two is pretty much exactly 30 hours yeah that's like main to california that'd be a fun drive i would imagine you see a lot of cool stuff yeah next year our family is uh our family plan for next year is to go up to like seattle that area and everyone is flying except for myself and my dad we're gonna drive it and just see all the stuff along the way so hopefully there'll be some coolio things to see because i have not been to that part of the country yet i take it you're similar to me and that you like drives long drives um sometimes yes generally yes it's not i don't care for flying all that much i don't have too much of a distaste for it but you know it's you want to see this stuff along the way sometimes i think yeah sometimes would probably be i yeah like i don't i think that at some point driving is like okay yeah all right this is a bit too far but middle length i guess distances there's a lot of uh there's it's it's a very calming thing um very chill i won't be here forever says the immortal elf yeah it's a bit strange to say that especially in regards to her existence when there's no reason to think you'd be around any less or more than her what's odd too is that he says i won't be here forever and she says you won't and he's like let's go get your mother and father or something like that like why'd you bring it up asshole yeah like if you don't want to talk about that yeah right um so you should swim like eladriel it's like well i don't know about that uh also i hear that lull wind in the background mute oh apparently yeah that's just ambience for you because lots of places they went to in the show are cold okay but there you go good enough a lot of the characters were cold in my interest was cold even if fire was cold uh hey guys why didn't our fmc uh female main character maybe take the eagles to find sauerkraut sounds like y'all got the writers for she-hulk on rings of power also high metal more retro games i don't know the relationship of the elves and the eagles to say honestly yeah i assume they're saying like why didn't those journeys they were taking could use theirs like i don't know if they can i don't have the option to uh more retro games are cooming wow i didn't know they made spin-off material for shadow of mortal games the shadow of mortal games aren't like hated are they or are they as far as i know they're really enjoyed yeah i don't generally hear people speaking ill of them remember working on a wonder woman game now uh the studio right can't wait to not play it i hey it could be really cool yeah i still want to play it though as long as gal Gadot is not wonder woman i think it is their own interpretation of the character i think it's gonna have the same system as well from those games with like the you know enemies that have some sort of developed history unique attributes it'll be turbo virgin nerds online that'll be your nemesis as a wonder woman you have to defeat them in armed combat you have to fight them explain to them that you're not a you're not a female version of superman not really and they're like you are i'm gonna say nay nay i say the elf hugging the orc while he screams was something i didn't know i needed until now laugh my fucking ass yeah it's a bit weird when you notice it efap reviews movies to let others know of their quality before buying why wouldn't you review this i'd be disappointed if you didn't there's a thing a lot of people said said it to me as though i'd agreed to this whole no hate watching thing which visible don't do it for second of all uh no i'm i'm i'm watching a lot of what comes out and reviewing a whole thing i think it's also fun efap that said tastes great too oh yeah it's a good taste mm-hmm build strong boners uh galadria looks like she wants to challenge everyone to a staring contest but realize she needs to poop and now regrets her choice oh i hate when i have that's that's annoying i suppose that the helmet pile is similar to the pile of heads which morgoth ordered his orcs to make after he won the battle but that's the book well i don't know what that helm the head pile looked like but um helmet pile was funny we had fun with the helmet pile we have a lot of fun it's how they celebrate a battle those are dead elves those are just elves going all right let's make a celebratory helmet pile as is tradition so they made a big old pile of helmets they're like because we don't need any of these anymore because we won the battle you bet so they made a big old helmet pile and then they like swimming it they jumped in and they're swimming around like scrooge mcduck in his his gold pool of coins he's swimming around on those helmets having a great time they're like man we should go back to valinor the undying lands and there was like oh no let's not yet hi i'm still on efap 148 but i wanted to say i love the show it keeps me entertained at work and i can't wait to hear efap 200 also what are your thoughts on the dishonored games if you've played them i've played dishonored two and i liked it quite a bit and i would recommend it i played this honored one but for some reason never finished it but i liked it a lot as well and it's been a long time i really liked one but didn't play much too i should know i don't got nothing on them but i will say glad you're enjoying efap and interestingly i like about to hit the anniversary for 150 and then it's like we just did the 200 one yeah we'll have enough anniversaries at some point that it'll take ages to just get through the anniversaries alone because it does already right 24 hours per being close to a week to get through the whole the set right now um i know this is late but congratulations on reaching 200 episodes of efap i started watching efap last year after hearing about you guys on literature devil's show morning nonsense i even watched your fourth anniversary stream live keep up the good work and here's to another four years wow thanks very much thanks so much yeah that's a big i always say this was like for some reason in my head i feel like we've uh we're not getting new fans we just have our our current set of efap is you know and that's just that's the way it is weird to think of that you have you constantly have people joining you know yeah there's probably someone in chat right now who's the it's the first episode or whatever cuz you know that's true yeah we see we know you're there we see you jeremy we are watching yeah we are watching we see you that's like the avatar thing you know we're like i see you it's a weird though uh do you guys catch the audio hiccup in episode one around the 450 mark it sounds like someone took a snapshot in the middle of galadriel's monologue no i i did not it is let me actually let me write that down for later because i might that might be interesting to check out uh what is the what's the time episode one what time uh four minutes and 50 seconds this group is my little notepad for later the absolute state of movies top five box office right now number one spider man no way home number two bullet train number three top gun number four the invitation number five jaws wait is that true jaws jaw i didn't know there was a jaws movie out and is that like top five box office of the year which doesn't make sense because i'm i'm just a little bit confused what's happening it looks like jaws bites into i max in 3d theaters nationwide this weekend oh i didn't even know there was a jaws coming out because it's not a new jaws then it's a re-release but in i max as far as i know jaws jaws all right well you know interesting and hey you know if the top five there's only one superhero movie maybe maybe that nature is healing maybe jaws attorney at law i switched subtitles to arabic because it detected misogynist jokes and decided to switch to an appropriate language oh oh it is very funny did you guys catch oh wait i read that fringy i used to hate your simpsons references but i watched mplemon's video on simpsons and now i understand rip grimes slice and dice brother the slice and dice not rip grimes frag grimes rip grimes is walking dead dead no rip grimes rip yeah but i accidentally said that's his 1980s action hero equivalent is rip grimes uh also snoop dog should have gandalf fads will get it very well uh the troll disappears after she turns around i noticed that too when we were i i should have mentioned it because when i was watching through i noticed that the troll is just kind of gone when they're in their semicircle and everyone's like no you gotta we're gonna go oh really yeah like i was in the way i i thought maybe spawned obviously i thought it was weird but i was like oh maybe they just went to a different place but they didn't seem to it was in the way you guys would be in it that would be such a big fuck up that i was like nah they totally went to like a different place right they moved it and they cut that part out because they wanted to do the big display of putting the swords down it makes sense you guys just hey fringy moeller metal and rags which film action choreography would you watch for the rest of your life 2000s action 10s shaky cam or 20s marvel boof i mean we're getting rid of marvel instantly so 2010 shaky action or 2000s action probably 2000s action i guess yeah i guess i mean we're thinking like matrix right like you're thinking stuff like that i guess he loved that well first one came out in the 90s i'm surprised 90s was excluded from that list yeah it's a lot of good action in the 90s yeah when was when was the raid there was 2000 the raid was yeah but the raid is not shaky cam at least i wouldn't consider that no usually it i was green sounds like you yeah no it was a green because the raid i think the raid was 2011 it was 2011 yeah fucking love those movies great they are really fun movies been rewatching genoble and i think it's about as close to perfect as media can get and honestly think it hasn't been given proper efab coverage well no it hasn't we've recommended it go watch it i really really like it one of my favorite shows i don't know if the others are as into it but yeah i thought it was good really good it's one i typically go for to show how you could do a lot with not a lot of time because it's only five episodes yeah yeah and a lot of shit happens in that you have a lot of characters doing a lot of things and there's a very good progression you know you feel you understand the stakes and the progression of events that happens um and there's really it's it's an excellent uh really excellent show i i really like it i highly suggest everyone watch it it's really good only five episodes super atmospheric excellent acting good stuff the fellowship screwed up they should have brought galadriel sue with them she'd have saved mary pippin and barmy or at amon hand no problem i mean probably we're gonna have we never had it but like is she a mary sue does she fit the i one i don't care so i'm i have my criticisms of her blatant i'm not getting into the mary sue thing fuck that nobody nobody wants to listen anymore to mollers yeah um bringy thoughts on ashley biden's diary i have no clue what that is and we're not talking about politics diary and a spider to be a poke no not that miden yeah it could be pokemon yeah okay i i diary type so you said diary i heard diary and i still thought of diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea type pokemon there's just a whole it just so happens that in the pokemon world a lot of pokemon are just shit they're just poop themed they use poop as weapons or made of poop they just have poop growing on them and it's just like really nasty and awkward that that a lot of them are like that but they just are yeah then just come around and kill your children or something yeah and then turn them into poop why do all of the pokemon have such twisted backstories i don't know what happened this was made this guy came from the happy place they're just happy beings who do happy things and you're like oh these are those stories what's quite nasty i have like a really depressing one i guess we can find out quag sire that's right let's take a look here he's so happy this carefree pokemon has an easy going nature while swimming it always bumps into boat hulls well that's not good um its body is always slimy it often bangs its head on the river bottom as it swims but seems not to care multiple concussions a day yeah that seems to be generally it all of the pokey dex entries just talk about how it's pretty carefree and relaxed and it bumps into things but doesn't really care he looks like the face of a pokemon that just does not have that many thoughts going on in his head he's so happy though look at him he's wonderful he's there and he's got his happy grin there is something envious you know i i i definitely envy quagsire that he's he's got a permanent smile he's constantly happy and he's waving he's like hey i'm quagsire i'm really happy only the pearl versions specifically say it's a dim-witted pokemon um that changed their mind later on i guess i suppose it's the yeah it's the only ones that say that because the rest are just it's sluggish or easygoing easygoing is the nice way to say it but some of them just say sluggish i quagsire should write a self-help book called being quagsire where he just talks about his attitude on life how i learned to stop swimming and love the riverbed how how i learned to quags bump into boats and bump into boats yeah bumping into boats and a smile on my face who cares if i bump into a boat it's just a momentary setback in my ever happy quest for food bumping into that boat brought me to where i am today because he just doesn't because like it says he doesn't care if he bumps into things he just doesn't care fine yeah if it other people bump and they're like oh my god this is a setback and quagsire goes this is this is just another new experience for me yeah every bump on the road of life brings you to where you maybe need to go you know it's he's he's a very wise sort very very laid-back age yeah yeah i wonder if there's like quagsire plush or something oh almost certainly i bet if i i bet there is he seems like he'd be a fairly popular one how about the kids well so one of my uh my favorite pokemon is uh cyduck oh yeah i always really like cyduck cyne he has a funny voice and he's he's just an interesting fellow he's one of the originals yeah he really is yeah back when like the pokemon designs weren't that crazy he's just a psychic duck like that's it it has interesting entries too it has mystical powers but doesn't recall that it has used them that is why it always got puzzled you know i remember uh on the game pokemon channel did you guys ever play that i never played pokemon channel i'm i'm i'm somewhat aware of it it had that weird controller didn't it uh i don't know if it did i never had that i just um because this is the n64 game no it was on a game cube game cube yeah and um i remember i that game doesn't have like a lot of gameplay to it i always found it really quaint though it's like a really quaint chill game and i remember that there was like a chatter where it was just cyduck talking about the news and he had like a little pseudon as he's there and it like is a news anchor talking about the news did you just be like sorry cyduck like he's talking about the news with all the uh the images displayed on the screen do you remember because this is saying that it was paired in promotion for this item but do you remember the nintendo e reader i don't know i don't actually so the e reader the only interaction i had with it was that there would be e reader pokemon cards and they would have a here let me get you a picture here to show you what i mean that might help so an e reader was like copy so an e reader card would have a little swipeable stripe along the edges and you would take this and you would slide it through the e reader and it would be a the e reader would be attached to your like game boy or whatever and so you could like swipe the card and i guess it would give you the card in the game or the pokemon in the game something like that but it was one of those things i don't think it's a thing anymore but this is like one of those early 2000s sort of things that you know like poke that that you could do and i remember these cards coming out i remember having some cards but i never i don't think i ever had an e reader itself man flaming punch flame punch flaming punch flip a coin if heads the defending pokemon is now burned rash does the double damage oh wait does oh plus 10 more i see right it's a 50 50 yeah well yeah that's a tough one to choose between you know i don't know i remember this magmar card in particular because of the art and how much i didn't like the art of this magmar it looks like a butt headed fire duck yeah a little bit um also uh we're pretty much at a at an extended length length of time where not everybody is it was supposed to be a non-existent e-fap i went over this that's right that's very short tap for those who don't know this was originally a weekend with nothing going on then it was like oh we should probably take all time advantage we can to do catching up and then we were like during the catch up maybe we could discuss you know she hulk or whatever and it's like well like what about rings of power and there's like well maybe we could do rings of power and she hug and then it was like the last just a full on episode and there's like i don't even think we'll be able to get to she hulk let's just do rings of power and see how far it goes and and here we are so um like i said at the beginning we'll figure out uh yes i heard you changed your mind odd a yesterday ball again there's people following me around the internet terrifying but um what we you know that i'll make sure to let you guys know about where everything is and everything's going we're just a little bit all over the place right now this is our supposed to be the gap month between two very very high stress months in terms of work and coverage and things and things but turns out this month is just full of things itself so uh yeah well you know in terms of where everything is i will be more clearer with that as time goes on i'm just very glad that we managed to actually get the whole anniversary sorted all of that was it went right out it's all available you know and and then and of course the video but um yeah that's that's that's e-fabs coverage of two episodes of rings of power just how exciting that amount of time um all that constant i know that everyone's like but we want to know what you thought about the newer shulk's and of course you don't want to see those minis for and or well they're all on the way all right i'll get there i'll figure it out exciting time as well as of course uh responding to all the questions we got we are we have indeed developed a big old backlog again we knew this would happen with the anniversary we're gonna defeat the backlog once again we always do okay we always do and i'll grab up those 189 superchats as well for those who are asking um all right uh before before we head out was there anything uh metal metal what are you doing ah well uh i i wanted to do my forge on these two episodes today but you were like are we doing the life step anyways after all it's like oh i'll i'll join so i'm gonna do that tomorrow i'm gonna revisit us to episodes again to cover on my end so that's gonna happen tomorrow i already i've been covering the she-hulk episodes uh every week as they've been coming coming out uh that's gonna continue so there's gonna be two forges every week for the foreseeable future uh so yeah go go check thems out so that's gonna be like forges every thursday and friday then i guess unless they change but really horrible things i don't know everything goes wrong and moved around but even if it were to be that way more coverage of things on the way right of all the things exactly uh yeah and if i have time i'll do some twitch strumblings i guess doing some video more push the vdrs uh yeah just doing all the things and stuffs um rags springy you guys want to say no no not really not anymore we did our moon talk we talked about our ring show i think about it we're all i think we've we're pretty much settled on things from now i reckon as well though i just noticed that springy plush is nearly at 900 it's one away and all it's because at 895 wow they're neck and neck they really are they don't really have necks no not really but they are neck and they're beat and tentacle e uh but yeah yeah of course they are available we will let you guys know for well it'll be next week it'll be the last time we can let you know because then gone but hopefully around then or soon after whenever we're talking about rags it's plushy that's right almost there but um yeah uh they are at 900 um obviously if you haven't gotten yours just yet they will be gone for a while forever but well i guess these versions yeah this is literally the only time you have a chance to grab these they make quite a good little gift i actually discovered that depending on what kind of family members you have and what interests they have they can find these to be quite the fun little toys and uh you know maybe it's better they don't know the context of where they come from depending on their age i don't know if uh you'd have five year olds watching e-fap definitely against it however they do enjoy their cuddly toys man is true you know if you're like antichode long man with a little cookie or uh some goo along with a bonus fringy attack because obviously the goo is the very prestigious part of this purchase i would say um but you still get a friendly fringy along with it yeah buy one goo get a fringy fringy fringy um yeah uh the link will be in the description of this when it goes up on mule but for now it's really easy to find it's just makeshift and then if you did make ship fringy or make ship moly you'll find them be there make it to 900 yet uh let's take one yeah someone out there will want to do um there like i said i'll collect up what we've missed we will catch up it'll all be done and labeled properly on the old uh moola channel until we may see you wednesday done clear right now in terms of where where everything is slotting but i will know more as time goes thank you all for joining us for the wonderful adventure the kind donations and the words of coverage with us the back and forth we shall see you next time bye bye bye bye everybody