 Welcome back to the ToffeeTV podcast, my ultimate team. This week, we've stayed closer to home and we have bars joining us, bars all the way from the ToffeeTV studio. I was gonna say all the way from the sofa to the desk. To the podcast corner? Yeah, we're in the podcast corner. We did do podcasts for a while and we stopped. We did. You have got big shoes to fill, Astro did our first one and he was quite fantastic. So no pressure on you whatsoever, but I believe in you. I don't feel the pressure. That's fine, that's fine, but I believe in you. What you are here today to do is pick six Everton players, two defenders, two midfielders and two forwards. Any, any, any, any, any. But I know we're gonna talk about that in a moment. Any plays you wish you can pick. Don't forget, we have a game that we play every single week. It is called Ultimate Fan, where you get six players, two defenders, two midfielders and two forwards. We play it every week and we thought we'd keep that going because it's an interesting concept. We get a lot of my favorite 11s and my favorite this, my favorite that, but this is a unique concept because this is two defenders, two midfielders and two forwards. Before we jump into the team, I just wanna ask you a dead simple question because there is no goalkeepers in this. Who would be a goalkeeper? Just, just out of never self thought. Yeah. Doesn't need a point. That's why, that's why I've obviously why he's not included because it's very easy to. I mean, the thing about it is, is that as you'll see with the team in a minute of it, if you went all time, then my team would be different than what I'm doing today. All time what I've seen, obviously without including players who you'd heard about, no, the history of them and everything else, but obviously never self thought. There's him and Jim Arnold with the first goalkeepers. I remember as a kid, and Jim McDonough, very, very brief memories of Jim McDonough, but certainly not the Southall and Jim Arnold, but Southall by far the best goalkeeper I've ever seen for everything. And the only second that that would probably be Nigel Martin, who I thought was fantastic and then Tim Howard, they'd be my top three really over time. Okay, so we're gonna start with your first defender, but like you've just mentioned there, you've not gone for necessarily your best ever. Tell us why. I just thought for me, I haven't seen anyone in any position better than the players I've witnessed in the 80s as a kid. So my team would be just very much 84, 85, no, it wouldn't. It'd be 84 to 86, or Gary Linnicka would be in it as players I've seen. Gary Linnicka quite simply the best Everton Center forward I've ever seen, I think. I think if you were doing that 84, 85, it'd be something like Radcliffe and Watson or Radcliffe and Stevens, if it was also my fan and you're looking for points. We could have easily have done it, you know what I mean? We could have, because it wouldn't have been that simple. But what I was gonna do was, because Reed and Steven and then, you know, like I've just said, Sharpe and Linnicka, maybe would have been the six or whatever, but trying to just keep him with the Premier League and for other people as well, younger people. And also, things like, because of the Premier League, the way it is, you've all seen all of these players playing through all the time. And you could have educated a few people, I could have, but you're not going to. So you are sticking. I'm taking it from the Premier League. You're sticking to Premier League players. Just because it mixes the team up a little bit more, slightly. Okay. All right, well, let's start with your first defender. Who is your first defender and tell us why he's in the team. The first pick for the Premier League era, Everton team will be Leighton Baines as a defender. I think, even including the 84, I love the path, Van Dynau, Bails was, a lot of people forget John Bailey, he was actually a very good footballer, had a great left foot, but because he was a bit of a joker, and he had to put a big hat on up there and bling and things like that, people overlooked that. Van Dynau was fantastic as a hard man, got some vital goals, really good defender. But Leighton Baines, I would say, is the best left back I've ever seen for Everton. I think Luka Deans done a great job trying to back him up and take over from him. I think Luka Deans is fabulous. But I think Leighton Baines, longevity, quality of performance, goals, assists, and just super cool man, is for me the best left back I've ever seen, playing for Everton. There's a poll, or there was a, sorry, there was a, I think it might have been a BBC thing, of the best 10 full backs in the Premier League era, and the fact that he didn't make it onto that. I mean, him and Chaim has never made it on. I just find it scandalous. I find that absolutely scandalous that Baines is not regarded as one of the best full backs. When I regard them as very much at the very top of that, never mind being in the top 10. I, you know, Premier League's been around for nearly 30 years now, and Baines is up there. The Baines is up there as one of the best. Easily, I still, for me, I know people go with Ashley Cole, but I think Baines is a better player than Ashley Cole. Ashley Cole played with better teams. Leighton Baines was a, as a footballer, absolutely incredible footballer. Ashley Cole, I don't think was a great footballer, very athletic, was a good defender as well, and say he wasn't. But when you look at that list, and you see Andrew Robertson on there, he's a good footballer, don't get me wrong, he's a good left back, but he's not Baines level, not a chance. And again, playing in a team that is at the top of the league, it's a lot easier than a team that isn't, but Leighton Baines, for me, is one of my defenders, because like I just said, quite simply the best left back I've ever seen playing forever. What do you think he would have done if he'd left, evidently? Would you think if he'd gone to Manchester United or had gone somewhere else? I think he'd have won trophies, wouldn't he? I think he'd have been revered had he gone to other clubs. Don't forget, Bayern Munich tried to get him twice in their pomp as well, and he didn't want to go. I think he possibly fancied going to United, but the type of person he is, he knew how much Everton had done for him, he was never thrown in, so he loved the club. So he didn't kick up a fuss, he just let the clubs deal with it, they couldn't do a deal, and he was the consumer professor. And stayed and still give everything, and it's devastating that we didn't win even just a league cup or something with him, the same as with Seamus Coleman, although it still, you know, although it looks very unlikely at the moment it still could happen for Seamus Coleman, but that's the only sad thing really for Bayern. Well, I think Bayerns would have played more times for England and would have won trophies had he gone to United. So like Bayerns in as your first defender. So, it was your second defender? The second defender was a little bit tougher just because I did contemplate. There was three really who were in this conversation for me, Dave Watson, where he was coming towards the end of his career, but he was still a really good defender for Everton from when the Premier League started. Richard Goff, who I think still, even he came in at the age of 38 and we were like, what? And he was absolutely superb. But the other defender I've gone for is Phil Jagelke, because I think Jags has been and was a absolutely fantastic centreback for Everton Football Club. I think he was a great captain in terms of on-the-pitch performance. He wasn't the most vocal and sometimes it used to wind me up that he didn't try to referee games a little bit more and stuff like that. So that maybe led him down in some people's eyes, but as an actual defender and centreback, I think he was sensational, Jagelke. We've all got the injury time goal around field, which was a screamer from him. And I honestly believe, and I don't know whether you agree, but I believe had he not sustained that injury before the FA Cup final, then Everton would have had a great chance against Chelsea that day, you know, we lost them two wins before the Cup final, having lost GQ, we've had lost our tether, having lost Anthony TV, it's an illusion. It was kind of like the final, you know, just one player too far. I just think Jagelke was brilliant, that's why. No, I agree with you on the Cup final. I think him and Lescots were such a brilliant partnership. He was such a brilliant partnership. They just balanced each other out completely. One was dominant in the air and each one's on the ball. Lescots had the pace, also had a knife for a goal. And they were just a really good partnership. And obviously, Jagelke had that longevity at the back and popped up in some big moments, as you said, the one at the top end, penalty at Wembley in 2016. I know you just, I don't know, you just always felt like really calm with Phil Jagelke. He did wind up a time as the captain, you know, but that was just his way and can't take that away from him. You know, he was just the way he was. And, you know, I remember just like the game he scored, he was on, you know, I think it was his last seed, no, second to last season maybe, when he played against Arsenal, I think Michael Keemers in really good form. And it was like before the game, Keemers on playing, people were like, oh, I'm not losing their heads over it. Jags played and scored and got the winner. And just like little moments like that, I think he, I was lucky I met him a few times. While he was at everything, it was dead sound. The dead sound fella, dead dance way fella, like the, like, you know, one of his quiet fellas, but it likes a joke and, you know. Don't forget, always looked amazing pre-season. Yeah, pre-season. Come back with the time. Time being on the golf course and just, yeah, just a, you knew what his levels were, most games, you know, and I think again, he's one of those players that. Michael's well, a lot of people didn't give him credit for how fast he was, but he was quite good. And a absolute bargain, £4 million. Steel, classic Moise steel. And a pound, wasn't it? Four million, a pound or something like that. No, he was, I loved Jack Elkhart, he was brilliant. He still, he's turning out for Rooney now and doing well. He, you know, played again in the weekend, did well. So he's in there because of all of that stuff. But again, one of the big factors is the fact that he looks so good in pre-season with the time. And he's had some mad hair styles. Not, not necessarily at Evan, he liked the spike at Evan the day and, you know, he's also probably one of the, the only captain. So with the widest bottom jeans I've ever seen, there haven't been a one-time show. That you'd always go against you, but... It should, but in this occasion, you know, you can't beat the Jack Elkhart. But that just shows you the longevity of him. He survived, I got through that period of his career, of wearing the three emergence of Flairs, which could have damaged a lot of the captain. Flairs, not Flairs, they were just, they were bootcuts, I think, with the width. And very much, we've seen all the pictures of Flairs around that time, you know, and boot-cut with him. We've seen the United, that famous one, the United going out and Rooney's got, in fact, to be fair, Reino Union. I think it might have just been a very much a Manchester thing, people who lived in and around Manchester. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's basically gone out, because he was... It was like the Wilmslow look, wasn't it? Yeah, that was it. You know what I mean? The Wilmslow massive. You know, they all went out for a... The old seven Wilmslow look. Yeah, the people who all went out for a, you know, cheeky drink next to the, the bar, next to the, like, the Rolls Royce place, you know, that kind of, that kind of thing. Put the wide jeans on. Yeah, put the wide jeans on and no one will bother you. No. That's the sign. And you're not bothering them with Jon O'Shea, turning up with wide jeans anyway. He was always a bit Madwony and Johnny Adams, like, he liked the wide jeans. Wayne Rooney? Oh, why's he loved it? Classically, he always loved a wide boot cut and a lollipop. A big lollipop. I mean, that was the thing with that, you know, Wayne, you know, Wayne is a tremendous individual. What a time to be alive. There are a lot of things, but no, Jax is in it. And I guess, just on those two, still slightly puzzles me why there hasn't been a testimonial. No. Because the pair of them were sensational for a long time. Funny thing about those two is those two were both at least by evidence, kids, and came back. But you said that not much has changed, Revan. Not much has changed, Revan. We never quite know the talent. Maybe Harland, one day, will come back. Who knows? Who knows? Right, so let's move into the midfield now. Who is your first midfielder? Been a good midfielder. And not so good. You know, for every alleviate the core, there was a rich word. People like that don't know just enough love, but it wasn't that long enough, I don't think. It's me here in here. Thomas Graveson was an enigma. For every Thomas Graveson, there was Alex and Jacob. Yeah. So there was a lot of... For every Thomas Graveson, there was a Thomas Graveson. There was a Thomas Graveson as well. Yeah, there was. And for every Thomas Graveson, there was a Lee Carsley, and I thought they both. But the first person going into my team is Tim Kyle. And again, with one eye on Ultimate Fan, someone that's getting your point, shining for 1.7 million, I think it was, whatever, to Chris Ballas trying to get. What were you thinking, Chris Ballas? They didn't pay the loyalty thing, the loyalty payment and everything. Scrambled the cash together. The sum of it, we didn't really have any money. We got Kyle just before we sold Rooney, wasn't it? But we got Kyle in. And he came in in the first few games, and I was looking at him thinking, he's not comfortable on the ball. He doesn't look like he can beat a man. He's not the quickest in the world. But then Moise found a position for him, and he just absolutely thrived from that day on. I think he first played at an old Trafford, and he drew 0-0. We then went to City, and he scored the winner, and lifted the sheet over his head, and was subsequently sent off. But that was the kind of introduction to Tim Kyle. Remember him scoring the winner down a port, and really on in his career, another header. And that trademark arriving late, and getting us goals, always turned up in the big games. Moise played with injuries, played with illness. Remember one game, he was throwing up in the toilet, a 5-3 went out and scored a couple of goals, and came back in and sat on the toilet at half-time, and went back out and played the full 90. And he was that type of character forever. Australian, you know, give everything, wear your heart on the sleeve, and just came up with big moments forever, all the way through his career. And I absolutely loved him, still. I know he's missed the on-brand now, but I still love him, but he was fantastic. Genuinely, I think he's the last player who thrived in big pressure games. Someone who loved the pressure, and you can't really say that for anyone who come after him. You know, people have scored a lot of goals for us, or done whatever, but I don't know of anyone actually thrived in those games. You know, with Darby record, says he, the goals he scored, and he loved the goal in the Darby, loved the goal against Manchester United. He turned up, and a lot of people would say, well, what does he do if he's not scoring? Well, he was scoring. For a lot of the time, he was scoring, but what he gave, he was a fighter and an attitude, and he loved being an Everton player, and he never let anyone down. And again, he's someone that... I always remember him, I think he spoke about, someone said to him, why don't you change your squad number? And he was like, well, someone might have, someone Everton kid might ever own, he might have my top on the first season he played, and that's it. He was just so unique, so unique, and I don't think we've had a player like him, who's just, what I would say about him is he just loved playing for Everton, and was like, no, this is the club. This is the club, you know, he scored against Man City, while they were on the way up, and he loved it, because it was like a finger in the eye to them, and he just loved playing for Everton. There was no talk ever of, like, I want to take that big step. He was like, no, Everton had my club, and I want to play for them. Jack Gielke trained Arsenal there, Arsenal Wenger wanted them, so he allowed a very un-Wenger-like player. I think Wenger knew what he would have brought to them, united, looked at him a couple of times, but didn't put any bid in. He was just brilliant for us in that role, and you're absolutely right, he, somebody who would turn up, he fancied every big game. You know, if he wasn't scoring, and you would sometimes say, what are you doing? He was harrying and pressuring, and we mentioned the co-finer label, that year, you know, we'd lost to Cuba, Louis Sahar, you couldn't rely on. So, for a lot of games, it was him and Fellini, you know, up front, and he scored big goals, he scored against Villar, you know, to get us through an important game, and, you know, he was just, he was just one of those players, he was, you could count on, and it gave everything for the shades, and I loved them, absolutely. Brilliant, brilliant fellow, and brilliant Everton player, and brilliant Everton player, and brilliant Everton player, and brilliant Everton ambassador. Who is your second midfielder? Again, you know, like you said before, there was a few you could pick from, and have a look at, and different types, but again, in the, in the sport of ultimate fan, and what the game is, I've gone unsurprisingly, probably to you, for Stephen Pena, who is one of the most talented players. I don't think he'd get that many numbers of assists, and he had pre-assists, but I just loved them. King of the pre-assist? I absolutely loved what he was doing. I just think, like you've just said, one of the most technically gifted players, certainly in the Premier League era, that have played for Everton. Him and Leighton Baines, down that left-hand side, were unbelievable for a few seasons on the run, you know. Again, a hard worker, little statue, but worked his socks off, was tough, tough character, tough on the ball, openings, would create chances. His goal at Arsenal, the little dink, which should have been the winner, but for a Leighton equaliser. Just a brilliant, just a brilliant fella, and someone who didn't want to leave Everton, a lot of people forget that, yet he went off to Spades for a year, but he didn't really want to leave Everton. He was one to the better country, and Everton, being Everton, would rather lose someone, than keep someone who's integral to the team. When he first came back as well, which was important, and only for injury, really. I think Martinis would have loved him, he'd have been fit, I think, he'd have got a lot more out of him, but the injury started to pile up one on top, and he couldn't be spoke to him, having me on this channel, he said he couldn't solve the first injury, that first year. There was different things, like it happens sometimes, and it cuts them short, and they hadn't really worked, after he'd started off a reaction. He'd come in, and I remember it, just being through Florida, and we were playing Bolton away on the Saturday, and I went to Bolton, and he started, actually, Jack scored, it was Jack's debut, and he scored, Andy Johnson fed him, and we won through one. I think Thomas Graveson would have drawn low, and crossed the ball in fit, was it less because he got the winner, or we scored a late winner. I was like, the first time I'd seen him, live, because obviously, he'd been away, and I know he'd come on, I think, and he'd come on. I was looking at him and I said, he's so clever on the ball, it was just whether he was quick enough, and he had to kind of grow into that role, but he was so intelligent on the ball, and putting his foot on it, and doing that thing where he'd roll his foot across the top of it, and give him a yard. I just loved watching, I'd sit here, and I just wonder how we allowed him to leave the club in the fashion we did. It's a disgrace, absolute disgrace, someone who, like you said, in the last couple of years, I suppose he was, like, forgotten about, and people, like, you know, get frustrated when people can't get back from injuries, and they're breaking down, and they get caught, all kinds, but the lad just wanted to play, and he went to Sunderland, they tried to play again, and it just didn't happen, because of the injuries, and he was just a sensational player, and I know a lot of people hold it against him, because he went to Spares, and, you know, this, that, and the other, but lad, does he have the good contract, because he was brilliant for us, you know, when people forget the year Arteta was out, he was the person who kept us going, he filled the gap, and to the point where he didn't feel like Arteta was missed that much, of course you weren't both of them in your team, because then you've got, but he filled the gap, and he was sensational, and I don't know whether he's held in the esteem that other players have held him, but I adore them, I adore them as a footballer, and, you know, we've been very lucky to speak to him since his career finished, and, you know, on the channel, and I've got to speak to him at Goddison, he's got to see me score Arteta at Goddison, so, you know, I'll give something back to him, you know. He likes her. He seems like a really nice fella, and again, good ambassador for the club, but again, I think of like, we never, never quite know what we've got, and we've never had a football club, we're always looking for the the new shiny thing when the things, things there, and when he came back, he made an immediate impact, he scored against Chelsea on the, on the Saturday, and I loved Pina, really, again, he's one of those players that I think some other clubs might would, I don't know, I don't know, I just think you, other clubs it seems like other clubs put those players up and understand their way, and we, we've had the other players who never got, you can say this about all the players, of course you can, never got a trophy, and deserved much more, and those players so to get lost, and they, they get lost in the in the, of their time at Everton because they never won trophies, but I've said this quite a lot, there's teams there's more teams, especially the period between 2008-2010 or probably the end, the cup finals, the end of it in a way where you look at and think that was such a good team, but people don't look back at it because they never won anything, and because we're in the, the era of obviously Chelsea the top, you know, the top four, and City coming through and all that kind of thing, they never quite looked upon because we never won anything, and yeah, they do deserve that kind of recognition to have that he were absolutely top players. We always figure as well that he was cut side for the semi-finals against Liverpool in 2012 when he'd come back, and had we had him available that day, and my guy guy played that day, so we had him available, and Trenta would have trained her, then who knows, maybe we would have maybe, I mean it would have been Chelsea in the final, which would have been soft, but we could have batted him. Moving on to your first forward, who's your first forward? First forward. Position you love, of course. Yes, and I don't know if this fella doesn't quite sense the forward, but he's up there, and taking Chelsea's I don't think. Interesting. Just to listen, Wayne Rooney was a big consideration, but again, you know, it's about most of that. See, I thought you, I see last week Astro, Shoe Island, Landon Donovan, into midfield to get two strikers, and so I thought you might as Shoe Island him into midfield to get two more strikers, but you've got him. No, because I think when you look at the Premier League era, you know, you can throw about dunk, it was fantastic, and I love them, still do love the bones of them. Kevin Campbell for us, for a few seasons. Superb. Jakuba, I absolutely love, and he was the other consideration. Proper goal scorer. Proper centre for, they give him a chance goal. But I just think, just by keeping the nature of the game, because Chelsea, for me, is still you know, James Rodriguez looking at him, what a technically gifted footballer. It was great to see him in the blue Shewell on the telly, same in the Netflix show. They've been nice to see him live. Such a technically gifted footballer, probably the most gifted. But this fella, in terms of world class, was devastating. And his peak as well. Unbelievable footballer. Goals, power, pace. And circumstance, as it happens with Evans sometimes, circumstance let us down for him. But he was incredible, because you know, again, you know, lucky enough to have had him in the studio, and he told us he didn't want to leave anything, and he was kind of told you know, I don't know if I'm the only shea level asset mate, and we want to sell you, so off you pop. But he was brilliant, we got him when United were unbelievable, and he was unbelievable. You know, again, we can't talk of fantasy the fact that he wasn't happy there. And we got him in. And it was a big deal when we got him in. And obviously, got injured quite quickly, didn't he, against United. We had to wait six weeks and the big, the biggest disappointment about the Kinshalkers thing is, had we had them for the cut when his cut against Feyenoord, we'd got past them, we'd won it with him. And the way the second half of the season was Ferguson and him and players like that. I've often said that. We'd have blown them away. I've often said that. The players we didn't have in that first half of the season, don't forget, he had that shoulder injury. I mean, basically didn't play the first half of the season, you know, and if we'd had him and the way that, like the way we finished that season, how strong we were towards the end of the season. If we'd had him. Don't forget, he come back two weeks two weeks later after that cut when his cut came, he went to Anfield and scored, so we're Anfield and Feyenoord, we should have beat them around. Yeah, yeah. We drew them in. And we, Amakati got shredded off after 15 minutes of the home game. Yeah. And we had nothing then. Ride out, I think, was out or whatever. We didn't have any options. Dunk was elsewhere. Yeah. And we lost with that Andrej Kinsjelskis and away from home on the break. And we could have negotiated that. I think we'd have done something. But because he don't forget he ended up with 16 goals in 30 games. He was unbelievable for us. He was absolutely unbelievable. And that and the poor fail game with the head bangers, because if we could have it again, we'd have got past them, you know. But especially the way we finished that season we were unbelievable. But hey, he was the fulcrum of it. He was the defender that showed him inside. He just cut in and smashed him in his left foot. So he didn't know where to go inside, outside with him. And he just got, he was like, he just built momentum and got better and better as the season went. Just absolutely fantastic. He was. He was. He was superb. It's hard to put. It's hard to explain it to people who weren't there at the time. He may go on the match, it was a cheffy Wednesday. He lost the way game this season. He scored hard to realise them. He just cut through them. He just run through them and shoot and he was the goal. It was like that all season. He should have just got the ball, shift it, shift it, right, and smash it, just right and going. He played against Liverpool twice in that season and scored three goals. He was genuinely amazing when in classic Everton. He was here for 18 months. Classic Everton. He's told us that he didn't want to move. He's told us that because he brought other players in and they were looking for it. The wind was really good and we never got the money for it. It was gone. It was gone. And we could have kept them. It was amazing what a play. I actually bought a ticket to go to Anfield to watch him play for Russia. That's how much I liked him. He had them in his ass. That's a different story. We played for heaven. And Maldine was amazing. That was the day I fell in love with and now what a player. What an absolute incredible player that again, you mentioned there like Thomas Rodriguez coming on in a flash just we got and it's a tale it's a tale all the time but it's classic evidence we get these players and for some reason for whatever reason we can't you know you think of those plays we had between between 94 because he was the big player that came out of the win in the cup he was the player that was supposed to move that team on and it he did he did and again though and then you go and get Gary speed and the next summer and it's all going in the right direction and then they're all in classic evidence don't forget that Christmas and we that we had Gary speed and we got Nick Barney we beat Darby away and forth and we were something like two points off the track courses and he was talking about his win and all of a sudden we ended up with three injuries over Christmas Joe Park he got injured at Middlesbrough and then at the wheels just Joe Park he was the big one once he got injured the midfielders felt a bit four weeks later five weeks later we sold him and we'd lost in so we'd lost Parkinson's we'd lost injuries come in and then it happened with Joe he stopped then he stopped Joe actually strengthening the squad and before you knew it we were in a negation pattern yeah it was absolutely mad but he has to go into me because so who is the final who is the final piece in the jigsaw who was your second striker who was your second striker is and again I've just mentioned a few there your cube who could have been in there I'm excited for this I honestly don't I'm dead excited my second striker is Romelu Lukaku is he oh I'm so surprised I don't you're gonna go for Wayne Rooney no okay no that's good I absolutely love Wayne as a football just because you hadn't mentioned him before it was like you've holding him back technically fantastic Rooney but the best most well again best player ever and I've ever produced them I probably will ever produce one of the best players if not the most naturally talented player in England I think I've ever produced for having everything in his locker but again went you know we had them and he was gone in a flash certain stances you know he's come out the other week and said he didn't want to go again at that time and you're out of the time no no I think of the time few was laying there over time and came back and was still great when he came back he wasn't amazing but he was our top scorer and we used again we used them all wrong but now Romelu Lukaku because when you're talking about someone who put in the ball in the back of the net and being that person at the top end of the pitch and again that was another thing we had something that was really good but because of failings in other parts of the club and listen and now you can talk about timing we can talk about different things but we didn't get him the players that he needed to thrive Martin has come in he come in with Martin's three games in he was incredible doesn't he he was a threat up front we were playing great football it all pointed towards going the right way had we had Martin has not messed with the team at home to palace when we were on that good run and we got the win who knows we'd have been very I think we ended up three points off champions league plays we might have got in the champions league might have had a bit more money being able to whatever it didn't happen and then Martin has allowed the wheels to come off spectacularly got Sam Etto in who should have been a real you know filler in the cap and someone to play off Rom and play them on the left wing and in midfield when he was one of the greatest strikers ever so we didn't give Lukaku what he what he required yeah we were close but one of the criticisms and I'm the first to say it was he didn't say nothing the big games often when you needed them Wembley being the biggest yeah we needed them that day and he fell short and that was the day that was the probably the spike getting to the cup final in 09 the spike getting to the semi-final in 2012 the spike getting to the league cup semi-final that FA cup in 2016 for me is the is the one where I look and go that was our moment yeah power winning trophy crystal palace in the final that was our moment to win the trophy we had Ross Barclay who was a threat at that time we had De La Feu we had Romelu Lukaku we had Kevin Morales no we had Morales a gun but we had those three McGeady was there we had those three who had goals in them we still had Moe Besson you know Moe Besson playing right back we had Darren Gibson no but that day at Wembley that day at Wembley once we equalized no it was going only going one way and then United breaking get a goal in the 94th minute as it does I actually think had it gone to extra time we didn't want but that was the moment for Ron to really just go eye on the man and it missed the penalty missed a couple of sitters but I think if he did got us over the line that would have been our trophy and I think we'd have been in Europe and who knows over the back and you still put him in the team yeah for the simple reason that he still came back the next thing got 25 goals yeah you know he could have gone that summer and he stayed and the second half of the season in particular under Coombe and he was deadly yeah it was amazing he was deadly tough we won a lot of games three and four nil because he just took games away from teams and I think when you've got someone who's that natural finisher how can you not put him in that team I just wish we would have had that to it I wish Mishiri would have arrived in 14 at the end of Martinis' first season with some money and gone and who knows Martinis might have blew it he might have been well with it the thing is though we dig it but Mishiri was there and he did have money and we wasted it and maybe that was part of the reason why he never signed that contract because he never he looked out around them so well it was the January wasn't it he was about to sign the contract he actually came on and I remember he came out and said yeah I didn't miss anything yeah why didn't miss that and at the time you've gone my land gone we've got this this niche still signed we're really had we've he wanted another couple of because we'd lost Bellassie as well yeah so anyway he's definitely in it because for me he's an incredible no a fantastic a fantastic striker and I guaranteed goals and was a threat but against other teams you played them and you didn't know that we had Lukaku and he was a threat and that was again you know goal at Man City away things like that yeah he was massive different kinds of goals yes good did score genuinely against you know scored a couple against Liverpool did knee in his first season in the 3-3 game and I got one Rogers last game equalized in the derby so yeah fantastic player real you know really really top class player obviously left to go to Manchester United into my now back at Chelsea so so and I don't think anyone as a fan has been as excited as when the day that he got into the plane and it was all you know this week and everyone when everyone was following the plane and it was like he is coming to sign to heaven but it was like you know oh it was unbelievable it really felt like things were going to change but in typical evidence that um but they they got to score a lot of that is your that is your ultimate team caveat Premier League but fair enough yeah fair enough Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielke, Tim Cahill, Steven Peena, Andre Kanchelskas and Romelu Lukaku fair enough good team I think that's getting me points good team that is getting you points that is getting you points fantastic team so that's your event team let's very quickly go through your non-event team now does this team have a theme or is this the best six players you've seen the best six Prem again Premier League again okay let's have your first defender first defender John Terry yeah John Terry quite simply fantastic centre back um brilliant captain for Chelsea really drove them on in that period you know come through the ranks of Chelsea drove them on um yeah you know people he's someone that people didn't like but I think you have to step outside that and just appreciate that the defender's been loads of great defenders in the Premier League he is a captain and a leader for me is probably he's the best probably centre back that's been in the Premier League for against your ability winning trophies and everything else so I'm getting changed and you're not getting changed when you're not playing why not why not get involved with your team you know those other defenders like Yap Stam and the manja Vidic and people like that who were brilliant over time but John Terry will be one of the two who is your second second is Ferdinand Rio Ferdinand because of if I'm excluding like the Jags yeah yeah um Rio Ferdinand for the simple reason that real ball playing centre back intelligent really good on the ball again pivotal to Manchester United having so much success Champions League winner Premier League winner you know England represented England so many times again in an era where you've you've had people like Saul Campbell's who've been a real top defender and you know there's lots of really good defenders but for me Ferdinand was I mentioned the manja Vidic Yap Stam all superb centre backs but I think Ferdinand just for being comfortable on the ball um and again leadership as well really really good really good defender and for a long period of time great at Westam good at Leeds really good at Leeds and great from Manchester United yeah so a player I think who changed what people think have been centre back as well yeah more like a european centre back style wasn't even but brilliant yeah absolutely absolutely superb absolutely superb um who was your first midfielder? First one I would pick is Roy Kent I mean sorry Roy Keane Roy Kent will be him Roy Keane obviously based on him uh Roy Keane unbelievable unbelievable midfield player breaking box-to-box um goals he was superb a forest he rarely was Manchester United got him 3.75 million absolute snip uh and went on him and drove a team his performance ensuring in the semi-finals for me one of the best captain he was out he was out the game out the final scored a header kept United going a captain in every centre the word drag players by the throat on the pitch get them going nasty side to him we know the Harlan stuff both sides of them um but fabulous honest footballer standards never had an agent had a solicitor done it all himself really wish he'd have come to have it when he showed up could have come a year earlier but he the time he could have come he could have got him and he's you know spoke to him and the sky thing and he admitted he probably should have should have sweared Celtic and come to play for Moise because he loved it well just a brilliant brilliant midfield player there's others again talented lots of talented midfielders Steven Gerard if you wanted to really you know if you could live with yourself yeah it was a fantastic midfield like Frank Lampard you know Michael Ailey these kind of players you know being through you know Emmanuel Petit what a fantastic football Roy Keane yeah he's the he's the um he sets the standard doesn't he sets the standard like you know that's why he's got a fictional character basically based on you know it he does set the standard and and you're right we just said there you know he when you see him and you see him on tv now the interview they were getting ever whatever you you understand why he was the way he was and why the manager wanted him and and how he pulled that team into having standards stuff that happened with Ireland and things like that just wanting just expectancy and standards are going not like it's not a thing of like I I you know I deserved it so I it wasn't about I it was about the team it was about saying right if we have the best gear if we stay in the best hotels if we have whatever we fly football for training yeah we have balls for training if we have like we fly in um on planes for long distance we you know we need to have the best because that's going to be the best for the players for the for recuperation for whatever you know playing on the best pitches whatever it is it's saying to someone you're I'm going to drag your standards up he was he him and Ferguson created unbelievable standards at Manchester United and he wanted that to go to Ireland he's wanted that to go everywhere and you'd listen he was the captain of one of the most successful teams ever and he ran through big walls no one could ever say well you you pulling your weight you're pulling your weight so unbelievable unbelievable play yeah so who's your second midfielder Patrick Fierre who is what again who again is probably the best midfielder I think in the Premier League era for doing the job that he could do just talked about Steven Gerrard Steven Gerrard would score goals and and to be fair to interact some Paul Liverpool teams better than what he were because he was such a dynamic player lampard goals superb um lots of excuse me lots of really good midfield players but Fierre was just incredible he was a six for four just like mountain other player he was just and he's so elegant he could do the bit the ball bit he could battle if you wanted a little bit of a scrap good in the air he was like the evolution of of of of keen he was yeah he was and get them two against each other with incredible battles because they both had a bit of and we look at we look at it ever now we look at Abdelay Decore he's like a poor man's Patrick Fierre if you like he was strides all over the place he'd get in the box Fierre would do that incredibly well for Arsenal there when they needed them big moments a part of the Invincibles just a a team sheet with his name on it would have been a pleasure to be supporting the same with everything so many years I'm afraid there's no matter what the make-up was couldn't get no he he he did change how you looked at midfielders because he could he could go toe-to-toe in a battle yeah but he was he was elegant the amount of times you seen him do a pirouette and then instead of going for a tackle he'd pirouette it and then get away with the ball and what he's just done he's just broke he's just broke him at field she's broke through the lines and he's gone and he's got you he's got you on a counter that's the first time we've sort of seen that from a midfielder we were used to pigeon-holding before that yeah and I know we've had different kinds but he really changed how we looked at a midfield and he came in and he was the he was the first player I think he came in for Wenger and he changed it all around I think it was one of his first games against Blackburn away and you've seen straight away he was so elegant on the ball big statue yeah got him from the landfill at Buttons and he was absolutely incredible and obviously went off to events and but just such a such a fabulous footballer yeah so he had to be in there for me who's your first striker? first striker I've gone with his Alan Shearer okay that's fair because I mean he's the Breco goalscorer there's me in the Premier League or just or up there I think he's the Breco goalscorer absolutely incredible sense of forward um just physically strong scorer scorer of great goals as well but scored a lot of goals I told you this story before I remember when I was at Everton and we'd gone into training and we were all talking about this young couple of years older of me this young lad who'd gone in at Saltampton and gone out on his debut against Arsenal and he was talking to the coach at the time and he'd had a conversation with Alan Shearer actually talked about this was he voted against keeping him Saltampton and their youth development officer or the youth manager if you like academy they'd be the academy director now went against all the coaches and said I'm going out on a limb on this one I'm keeping him I know you're all voting against him but I want to keep him and it was kind of well on your head so what he did was every day after training stay behind with Shearer an hour a day and done being able to control a ball working on it because he said I could see something in him but like desire and having and a year later he makes his debut against Arsenal gets a hat trick and you know never look back and the only regret for me is that Everton offered three million quid for him and Saltampton said well we won 3.3 if you come back with Darry's yours yeah and we didn't and Blackburn did and a year later he took Blackburn to the title two years later he was winning the league with Blackburn and overson and almost single-handedly if you like or certainly got dragged them into that era and you just think of Everton would have paid them money you know what could he have done but he was a he was a sensational strike he had a nasty side as well I think people forget how good he was because he was so consistent I think when you see someone doing something so often you forget how hard that is but he used to just score goals all different kinds of goals and he was he was horrible he was an old-fashioned centre forward but with a very modern touch and had he gone to United he'd have won all short at United and he is the reason why Blackburn won the league he was simply wouldn't have won the league you know and I think when he got then he got the knee injury didn't he for Newcastle when he played in a preseason game with Godderson and you know who knows what that team would have done with him and not saying he was never as good but that that particular season when he'd done his knee injury I think they were ready to go and it never quite happened for him and he only ever really only won one trophy didn't he playing for them so didn't even win the Chelsea Shield against us the following year really some ways to deny them but um scored on his first game back against Blackburn actually didn't he when the knee injury come off the bench you know what I'm saying it's a tremendous player ah he was fantastic goals just fantastic got a great goal against us well out there we basically closed it down at Newcastle as well a volley but we've been seven going for our seven seven straight and they beat it but what a player yeah what a fantastic player who is your sixth and final player and the final one again there was there was quite a few you could pick really wasn't there's people like Gianfranco Zola um DD8 Rockba was one who had really because he was a fantastic you know Liverpool have had Suarez he was brilliant and Mo Salah now he's probably the best in the world at this moment um Wayne Rooney but the person I've gone with is Rue van Nesteroy who's another one Dennis Bear campers someone else I don't use that to say Robbie Fowler Robbie Fowler was a good great finisher Michael you know there's been a lot of stuff coming off for a year and all of that but Rue van Nesteroy because I think him as in most was the most natural finisher that I think I've seen Ian Wright was one again I thought there was an incredible centre forward but I think it's dead hard because there's been loads there's been loads and loads and loads and the list goes on of course there is but I think van Nesteroy was just exceptional for Manchester United just always seemed to be in the right place at the right time um and just the just as I love me centre forward just looking at the way you'd play on the last man on the shoulder in behind and he again another one scored a lot of different types of goals um was always a thorn and evidence side because basically they were good and we weren't um but I just thought van Nesteroy was brilliant and I think those two if you're given those two chances yeah then you've got a chance of course and he was a player as well I had a bad knee injury he was about to sign for man United they'd gone over to watch him and he basically got a knee injury in like this open training session and everyone had seen it and and man United just hadn't signed them of course by that but everyone was expecting him it was so strange it was like this one-on-one open training session he gets his knee injury it's like he's out for a year to Alex Fakes so Alex Fakes and said I'll be back for you which is huge because he just got this terrible knee injury he came in and from day one he was brilliant he had a few there was a few little it was weird that typical Dutch thing wasn't he had a couple of weird fall outs as well along the way but he was he was brilliant and he went to Real Madrid and it never you know he did do well for Real Madrid but it was just he was almost like one of those players that was like again you never never quite never quite gets for the credit for how good he was and he just score goals all the time I don't know why they let him go when they did but you know there's other players like you know Robin van Persie and people like that he was fantastic sense of thought it was but him for me just when he was in his pommel bit united he was if he got a chance basically it was a goal and um yeah he was just he was brilliant so again Ronaldo's another one you could have you could have you could have but no I'd go with those because I think if you create a chance just then to finish me superb superb team um I'm I'm very interested to see how John Terry and Real Ferdinand would have done playing together again but because of course they played for England and a bit of a fall I wouldn't say any more than that no this is just the ultimate team it is it is ultimate team that there you go then in black the pair of them and then you just go like you don't know which other go and do the business on 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