 Reading to my esteemed audience welcome to the greatest interview of all time. This is the first time I'm actually doing an interview and we have a very special guest now a quick disclaimer before we get straight into it Styx and I are not affiliated politically in any way. This is merely a conversation I wanted to have on a personal note and the The backstory here is that some of you Well, many of you hopefully have read my book reviews and I have touched upon the topic of the occult quite a few times in many of the books and one of the the reoccurring topics then is Satanism and I thought to ask Styx here what Satanism is so yeah without further ado Styx Welcome to the show Hello. Hello. Thanks for having me on So to yeah, get straight into it if you so for me personally as I said, I have only Over the last year. I've gotten a bit more acquainted with the concept of Satanism But if I were to ask you or if someone without any previous knowledge whatsoever Asked what is Satanism? How would you how would you introduce it? I Would say that well the form of Satanism that I was involved with and this is you know a decade ago at this point It's vanishing into the past the form of Satanism. I was In was independent to number one I never joined I joined any specific like satanic order or anything cringy like that and it was fundamentally Atheistic so with with levée and other similar Satanists what you're getting is basically Godlessness with a floor show What levée did is he sort of made a mock-up of Catholic rituals specifically and sort of inverted some of the meanings appropriated the cross of st. Peter To an extent and then did his various rituals and to him it was mostly a corporate scam But it was basically a satire of the Christian religion and Catholicism Especially with his particular path what I came to the conclusion of is that a Satanism At least in the atheistic sense is really more of an initiatory step So what I used it for basically was I had left religion. I had become atheistic I still wanted ritualism and things like that and it sort of dawned on me that it's sort of an initiatory Framework in order to purge false guilt and fear through Psycho drama and through mock-up rituals and then once things are cleared out then you can go on and study more authentic Magic and things of that nature, which is actually spurned by the Church of Satan. I got regarded I remember one time contacting Peggy Nadramia their PR spokeswoman, which is hilarious and being called an occult Nick For merely asking questions about the topic of magic at the time as a as a somewhat cringy dude It barely in his 20s, and I thought that was very funny. Yeah so you would say that You said that you you came from our religious background. Is that correct? Well religious in the sense that we were Christians, but in the nominal liberal sense So you go to church on Christmas and Easter you read the Bible you pray the Lord's prayer at night And that's kind of it. There was no larger religion later on in my teens I became more religious for several years before I Abandoned that in favor of the first hardline atheism and then later other things All right, right. Yeah, I suppose many guys have had their atheist stage So essentially you went from regular Christian that yeah, many many people are grown up with Then atheism and then you you wanted to get back to a bit more spirituality Including rituals and stuff like that Yes, definitely. Although again, it was liberal Christianity at first and then for a few years It was I wouldn't exactly say I was a fundamentalist per se But it was definitely more religious like we were going to church on every Sunday Being more into religion as a family. Yeah, this is this was sort of a family event for me It was led mainly by my mom She just said she decided she wanted to go to church and stuff and I sort of was brought along But it was all right. It was fun and you know, you got picnics and stuff like that So there's nothing wrong with the picnic. All right. Nice. Nice. Yeah So for for the context you're grown up on the east coast of a good old America. That is correct. Yes Yeah, cool. Cool. I am grown up in Sweden, of course, perhaps a bit more atheist than Than the United States, but when I grew up we had still, you know school ceremonies in in church so for Christmas and for for summer and stuff like that a Bit a few ceremonies regarding Easter as well, but I mainly remember the Christmas ceremonies So they weren't overly Christian in their nature, but it was still got a nice nice sense of it so anyway, I wrote a review a while back of Lords of the left-hand path by Stephen E. Flowers and in my review I gave our first impression of Satanism and Basically, what I wrote was that as I see it from a Swedish perspective from a Semi atheist as I grew up as I'm not an atheist now, but from what I saw it I saw that perhaps many Americans that had grown up with a Very strict Christian upbringing. They sort of revolted against Christianity and therefore Satanism had a certain allure because of the Inversion of Christian as you said a mockery of a Catholic ritual that Anton Levé did would you say that's a good analysis? I would say that's definitely the case if you're looking at the 1980s Especially with the the rise of the moral majority the satanic panic There was definitely an influx into not just the Church of Satan, but other groups as well and Independent Satanism and and outright devil worship, which doesn't have anything to do with them But it was part of it now. Yeah, I would say that there was definitely a rebellion aspect of it sort of leaving behind the nifty 50s Sort of leave it to beaver Americana mentality that was espoused effectively by the Reaganites and of course the tipper goers later on into the 90s Yeah, I would say that there's also another sort of resurgence that you have in the middle of the 2010s With the satanic temple in groups like that and again People miss misinterpret what they're doing pulling up like a Molok statue or something like that a Lucifer statue at a courthouse Effectively was just a form of protest. These are not theistic individuals. They don't believe in a literal devil Mm-hmm So you would say that from from Anton Levé and onwards you have more of a Spectacle but not so much not so much a deeper concern with the metaphysics of things Yeah, there's nothing metaphysical about Levé and Satanism. I remember Boyd Rice used to go to concerts He was a one of the higher ranking members of the Church of Satan I think he's left them now or no longer particularly active he used to go up on stage with a shirt that said rape and Just say and do weird things all of the time just be as edgy as possible and I found it hilarious All right, right. Yeah, it makes makes total sense and I suppose that every society has Will eventually have a counterculture based upon the dominant culture and I can definitely understand that yeah Maybe some people were fed up with a over the top Christianity and sort of revolted now Of course for me personally as I view Satanism in America during the 80s and and onwards Yeah, it looks a bit cringe to to be perfectly honest Then of course can be yeah. Yeah, and and I mean I'm not talking about the Anyone who has a Deeper metaphysical speculation about the nature of the first intelligence or whatever, but I'm I'm talking about the more antinomian provocateur archetype but I thought to ask you about the temple of set so Michael Aquino if I'm not mistaken here. He stepped aside from the the Church of Satan because he believed it was Too too little spiritualism and too much show. Do you have any take on the temple of set? Yeah, basically imagine the Church of Satan, but they re-inject some of like the secret society nonsense back into it So instead of it being understood to be psychodrama There's more of a facade of actual spirituality, but Michael Aquino who looks you know sort of like a Vulcan I suppose he took part of the Church of Satan's leadership with him and later on there was a risk Schismatic movement of the temple of set as well. So as far as I know they're now defunct because they only had maybe a few hundred members I think at peak All right, right. Yeah, this this smaller organizations. They usually go off into different splintery groups It's sort of like comparing Dogecoin to Bitcoin Right, right. Yeah, so Going back a bit further in terms of perhaps not Satanism But I thought to ask you about your username so sticks hex number 666 and 666 then I think about Alistair Crowley, is that a person who have had some influence on you? No, not really. I'm not into Crowley Okay, right, right. So the 666 is that just is something you added to your Your username or does it have a story your username? Yeah, originally it was just sticks hex and hammer I decided to get more edgy though. Anyway, you know sticks is the river in hell or the marsh rather From the Inferno and and from that sort of lore it's quasi-paganistic Hex and hammers is the hammer of the witches the German term for the Malleus maleficarum famous witch hunting guide and then 666 Partially remains there only because it helps to prevent people with small minds from subscribing to the channel So people who might look at the the hazard that I run is that a lot of people mistake me for far right or conservative or moralistic? I've had people claim I'm a Jesus freak based on that I make what that helps to do is that I don't want people to come come aboard See my political beliefs and they're like wow I found this great youtuber named sticks hex and hammer and Then I make a video about religion and they get all salty about it And it still happens anyway, but I think that having the 666 and the username helps to to limit that and so it Keeps things a little bit easier for me. Yeah. Yeah makes perfect sense actually fun fun little anecdote Just for from the other day. I posted to Instagram a picture of me at a grotto for Saint Birgitta of Sweden, so it's a medieval saint It had a cross in the background and I asked have you read all of my book reviews in the post on Instagram and For anyone who's actually read my book reviews. It's quite clear that I'm not a Christian but many comments were saying have you become a Christian now and That points to the fact that and this is general advice for all content creators out there Many people they only look at they give your content a quick glance and then they form an opinion so without reading anything just based on a title of a video or a picture They draw conclusions So I think it's a quite a good way a good strategy for you to not have to deal with these people But yeah, as you say you you will have to deal with them. Yeah anyway and a quick note here I'm not anti-christian in any way for me on a personal note I have grown up in again a quite atheistic Sweden. So for me In a fun sense all of these religious traditions. So Christianity and paganism they have in a sense been on the same side So you have had atheism on one side and then you've had any belief system Which has some sort of metaphysics in it on the other side? So I haven't really viewed it as a conflict between the two and I know it's completely different in For others who view paganism as a sort of response to Christianity So I suppose that in the 80s many people they perhaps turn to Satanism as response to Christianity And I see how certain individuals they interpret paganism only as a reaction to Christianity And on a personal note for me. I appreciate paganism because it's older than Christianity So I don't see paganism as being a reaction to Christianity at all So they also they've co-evolved for a very long time So Christian ritual is informed by paganism and at this point the neo-pagan movements oftentimes They draw from Christianity or at least in the moral sense Yeah, definitely definitely that's something to to keep in mind when discussing Catholicism as well and for me, of course, Sweden has been protestant for For 500 years depending on how we count it, but I view it as a As a source of sadness that we went from the more pagan Catholicism to the more You can say purely Christian Christianity Then of course as it is today Mainly atheist, of course the Church of Sweden, they still exist, but at this stage they are One could argue one could say that they are more or less Just another arm of the Social Democratic Party, which has ruled Sweden on and off for the last hundred years So yeah, I wouldn't say the Church of Sweden today is Particularly friendly to guys like me, but I'm not saying that Christianity necessarily is is all bad or anything That sounds like that sounds like the Netherlands actually I mean, there are quite a few churches here, but they all seem to be tourist landmarks for the most part The bed, I mean the bells are ringing, but nobody's going to mass, you know Yeah, yeah, definitely same here and of course the The the church they have adopted the general site guys and they cherry pick quite a bit from the Christian theology So it's I remember when I was in Rutland the last time there was a pride flag actually out in front of the Baptist Church in Rutland now Vermont of course is a little bit oddball as far as religion goes It's the most atheistic state anyway, and most of the Christians are liberal But I thought it was funny. There was outside of the Baptist Church of all places like I thought the Unitarians were the ones that did that Yeah, yeah same same in Sweden. So and this is also something I could is briefly Elaborate on since we're on the topic of religion So I would say that so if anyone comes to Stockholm in July and they say pride flags all over the place You could view yeah, the pride flag pride Ideology as the main as a dominant religion in Sweden since Christianity has lost its role But I do believe at least that our people will have a certain need for Moral framework and a religion something that you could adhere to now, of course, it's been The the pride ideology for for quite some time I'm I'm not sure how long that will last but certainly now that is how you should view it at least so don't necessarily If someone comes to to Stockholm then sees all of these flags Don't necessarily view it as an expression of LBTQ rights but more as an expression of Religion as an expression of adhering to the socially acceptable norms Oh, and also it'll go away if it stops being profitable. So when they move on to the next site geist basically Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's something to keep in mind as well that most companies and many institutions The church in this case They're simply following the site geist and who determines the moral framework. I have talked about this in Telegram posts the the moral framework who controls it. Yeah, it's basically who stares the ship in in what direction So, yeah moving on. I thought to just ask you about Your own enlightenment journey. So if you could elaborate a bit on your on your belief in In the higher do you believe in God? I'm apotheistic with regards to a deity that is I've just stopped thinking about it for the most part And I'm more interested in tradition and magic that the occult in general pan occultism Lore history, I'm interested in it partially from an academic perspective partially from a practitioners perspective But I don't think that they can be genuinely objectively known whether there is a deity and Even if that could be proven the form of that deity or that cosmic force Pantheon whatever you want to call it. So I don't really I don't spend as much time thinking about it anymore I'm not atheistic. I don't say that there is no God. God is dead, but at the same time. I'm not a theist I don't say well, there's got to be some higher power. I simply don't know But if we're talking about magic, would you agree that there is Which I would call it a metaphysical dimension that we can reach with our will and by accessing that power We can influence the physical realm the reality as we see in front of us Yes, I would agree with that. I would also say to people I mean there might be someone who watches this who's more secular and more skeptical about these things if you study String theory and a few other elements within just physics. We're talking just mainline science You can conclude from that if you interpret that material in certain ways that magic would be very very real It also could admit the existence of a deity Yeah, yeah, so on a related note I'm actually writing on my second book now and I am elaborating in the book on the placebo effect, which I think is supremely Interesting, so I suppose most of our listeners now know that I have been in the the gym world for Well for a decade even more than a decade and of course I do own a supplement company so I I tried to keep keep updated on the latest research and I Will make probably a separate video on this but I will mention it here that the greatest supplement You can possibly take is the one you believe in so if you believe that a certain supplement will do a certain thing or even medication and You believe in it enough. It will have an effect. So this and there are many studies showing this by the way This tells me at least that, you know, you can do so many things via magic If we use the term magic to denote, you know, a Change in the physical so a change in your physiology in your body based on Your own which shall we say metaphysical powers so to speak so for someone who is skeptical That is something too. That's a good starting point. That's actually one of these things that got me thinking about the Yeah, the the magical side of things. So when I say magical, I mean Change you can influence in the physical world via your Your metaphysical so to speak so you enter A state of mind with your will and who gives you your will perhaps God I am not I need to meditate more upon it But anyway, you can reach that and you can influence the the physical Extremely important when we talk about things such as yeah supplementation or training or or Whatever really Yeah, it extends to the idea of the iron will just using sheer willpower to do things I think that the effects that are caused by magic, which you know, I've personally witnessed So I have no reason to doubt them. I think they go beyond placebo effects and simple willpower I think there's something considerably more unexplained there, but in many cases. Yes That would definitely be the case and I one thing I would say is I fail to see how putting and I know you're not saying this But I mean some people do How putting one's iron will to a particular goal and causing mass change there by thinking of Napoleon or something like that Is really remarkably different from ritualism anyway And if we look at some of the greatest thinkers and leaders of the world Enormous proportion of them if at least dabbled with the occult Yeah, yeah, definitely So you have you have dabbled in the occult yourself. Do you have any? How how did you start was it by meditation and stuff like that or was it via some grimoire some sort of Tation you found or give us give us an origin story Well, when I was a small child I was visited by what you know Christians at least would colloquially term a demon specifically Stolas giving me various inspiration and Later on when I sort of remembered about those experiences because I had gone through, you know the Christian phase You're not gonna, you know do demonology as a Christian and I went through the atheistic phase where I just sort of lost faith in anything Yes, so you're not gonna delve into magic there. I had I had an interest in studying about it But I didn't have any interest in in really doing a deep dive But when I sort of reconsidered, you know my life and the experiences that I had I said well There might be there might be something there Let's see what we can do and I ended up delving into occult literature And that became the backbone of all of my success really I don't think people realize them up until you know starting Streaming every day more recently the bulk of all of my income has been related to books It hasn't been related to video-making Ah, right, right. I've I've released 400 different editions Amazon, all right, so if I understood it correctly you have written some books yourself and then you have edited previous works Yeah, I've edited about 400 works and I've got a half a dozen already done for the next slew of them But I've authored about two dozen works as well small number of full-length works a couple of fictional works and mostly My thoughts and I like I did fruits of Eden, which is about a cult botany basically and Some political works and then some funny satire works like I did a hundred and one commie jokes and Critical race theory debunked which which became a best-seller somehow. Oh, I have I have fun doing it So I figure I'm gonna keep a good thing going. All right. Nice. Nice. So do you do in a special ritual? Do you do pray to the muses to come and visit you with creative inspiration or do you just have it all the time? No, I just find it comes automatically Especially when I get into a goofy mood where I'm like having my jollies off thinking about deranged things I find that's when I get my best inspiration. Yeah, makes sense makes sense So what would you say for anyone who is listening to this who thinks, you know, this occult stuff magic It sounds interesting if you could give a few a few book recommendations to start with to to get a good Yeah, our first first step into the occult. What would you say? Yeah, if they're interested in magic in general, you can do a deep dive and get free digital material on archive Dot org of basically every description. So think about something related to magic like alchemy black magic Shintoism it doesn't matter any any religion any anthropological subject either just search for it on archive org And then you can potentially find hardcover or paperback copies of those works if you're interested in perusing them physically I would say the black arts by Richard Cavendish is a good one the book of ceremonial magic by ae wait That's an old classic originally under a totally different title that was a Released by Dolores and I can't I think it was called the book of black magic and packs or something And had a bunch of filler and weight was probably flipping out at the time Occultism for beginners by William Dower. That's a theosophical work But it delves far beyond the realm of just core theosophy so Sorry, sorry for interrupting is to clarify theosophy is the the teachings of Madame Blavatsky correct. Yeah, and later on of others any descent notably. All right, and weighty is Is the font is the well present creator, but he has a famous tarot deck, correct? Yes, all right, right. Okay. Sorry for for interrupting do Oh, no, I was just going to say that I've also released a number of Compilational works that take some of the works that I've edited and compress them together like there's a compilation for alchemy There's a compilation for demonology specifically from the more historical and academic perspective on that one Folk folk medicine folk magic and incantations I released those because I realized I had this vast core of literature and it made sense to make some full-length work So these are three four hundred pages in length. Oh, right, right? So since you mentioned alchemy, I thought to to ask you about it I read the hermetic tradition by Julius Evola a while back I had to reread it directly upon finishing it. It was quite quite heavy quite hard to get through but Is that something you have delivered into as well alchemy? Yeah, I have a deep interest in alchemy What I would say is what I've what I've come to the conclusion of is that virtually all alchemical works fall under one of two banners There are works about chemistry that use spiritual language as a mask so there so instead of talking about Decanting the spirit you're talking about the ascent of the angels or something and spiritual works and this is converse This is something that's not mentioned enough spiritual works that masquerade as chemical works So you're I'm the two things are basically twain I guess as above so below applies here in my opinion virtually all alchemical works fall under one of those two banners now They're just straight-up chemical recipes and things like that That's more notably what alchemy is regarded as but I've noted that there are some works that appear to be telling more of a spiritual story like the keys if you doxxus I think is one of them and They're telling a spiritual story, but there's there's chemical preparations or illusions that are made and it's sort of like a masquerade It's cryptography of a sword mm-hmm to be clear I don't think that most of these people were actually attempting to turn other Substances into gold they were making other useful chemical preparations Universal medicine or elixir or its precursor Ixier and others there was a fascinating work about the ever-burning lights of trithemious By a third party. I can't remember which author it was by it was talking about some of these Sort of glow lamps that they had that for centuries would continue to give light and it looks almost like they they developed a Primitive concept of phosphorescence or some sort of slow chemical reaction at the time. It's not entirely clear I remember a work of Saturn by Holandus, which was talking about using lead As a medicine and sort of melting it down into wine and drinking it and this will sweat out the fever I'm thinking yeah, of course it will So speaking of Julius Evola. Have you read many of his books by the way? No, I haven't okay, right because one of this reoccurring he has a few themes which they they come up in many of his works and one of these takes he has as opposed to the The takes of Rene Gunon so Evola says that the red work in alchemy So the the more warrior element is the highest whereas Rene Gunon puts the contemplation of the priest cast on top In the hierarchy. So Evola he points to the Roman emperor being both emperor and pontifex maximus So our combination of the the spiritual and the temporal And Gunon then being perhaps a bit more bookish than Evola Evola being of the xatriya the warrior cast Gunon claims that the Contemplation of the Brahman is the highest. Do you have any any take on this matters? Yeah, I think that if you're going to have a pragmatic society capable of functioning then both would be important You need a warrior cast to defend from various threats Simply contemplating them is not going to make them go away And then those warriors will need a form of morality or order that would be from without Generally speaking I would say that ultimately the most important would be the peasant class though because they're the ones growing All the food and an army marches on its stomach and the priests need something to offer at the altar This is too often forgotten Yeah, yeah, definitely that is true And this claim rare as well that I thought to mention since I've reviewed so many of Evola's works I will say that I I don't agree with all of his takes. I have said this as well in at least one review that of course I I'm a bit more Sympathetic to the common man than Evola, of course, he had his perspective as an aristocrat Evola has very many interesting esoteric teachings, but his social and political Takes aren't always Perhaps the most reasonable So, yeah, I just thought to mention that but anyway talking about Hinduism or perhaps I shouldn't say Hinduism perhaps I should say Vedic spirituality I saw that you talked about it in in a recent video actually talked about some occult of the left-hand path in India would you would you just Care to introduce the the right hand and left hand path to anyone who isn't familiar with the terms Yeah, right and left hand path the right hand path is orderly religion. It's prescribed its exterior It's going to church and things of that nature the left hand path is more Individualistic and can seem more drastic it would be returning to Hinduism it would be like Comparing the average Hindu worshipper. Okay, they have their Hanuman statue or Ganesha or they pray to Shiva They pray and they go to the temple and leave the flowers or the money or something and and try to do good Charitable works and stuff that'd be very right hand path. It's prescribed. It's very orderly the left hand path would be the Gauri who have decided now screw that shit and they've just decided to burn out all guilt all fear and all all Negativity from themselves by having absolutely no guilt and fear and simply not allowing it through sort of dissociation through Flagellating themselves urinating on one another in imbibing drugs cannibalism Dwelling in charnel grounds. They literally smear funeral ashes on themselves They're considered very holy by some of the lower classes, especially in rural India And what they do is they're practicing effectively what what is referred to as a Shabha meditation on on the corpse for instance Conceiving of yourself in the state of death Still aware enough to feel Crepitation to feel wrought and decay and to go cold because that will happen to the average person who dies unless they're Vaporized or something in an explosion Unfun I hate to tell people this but you're gonna feel the early part of your physical death In bursts in in little bursts and spurts, and it won't be pleasant If you meditate upon the the inevitability of that fact before you die at least you won't be afraid of it the agoris simply take that hyperbolically like on steroids and They don't care about their physical bodies They again they do bloodletting and then crazy stuff they assault one another and they do it freely Ah Yeah, I am I suppose it's it's one way to reach the divine perhaps not the the path I would take but each to his own so basically if I understood correctly as well that left-hand path is more about Antinomian controversial social behavior and right-hand path is to just stick to the dogma is that correct That's that's sort of what it pertains to the left hand path invites experimentation and magic and things like that The right hand path says there is a prescribed form of spiritual ritualism and you must adhere to that alone So I suppose you are Without being on a hindu agora You still believe that the left hand path is a good path to take for anyone who Um wants to explore the cult today. I don't think that it's a good path for just anyone I think people should I think for the average person the right hand path is the right way to go Because the average person is not going to be able to they're not going to be able to make any use of the left hand path It requires personal experimentation and awareness on a level that a lot a lot of people don't have the time to practice They have to They they want to do their normal nine to five and things like that the left hand path is much more independent So unless a person is in a very independent position like I happen to be and has that sort of You could say luciferian or promethean drive towards these things and can't live a normal right hand path existent spiritually They probably should just go to church or something like that. Yeah makes perfect sense So moving on to more practical applications. Do you have any sort of Meditation daily routine anything of the sort? Yeah, I meditate when I lay in bed at night specifically I do some physical meditation just sort of being aware of the different parts of my body as I start to fall asleep And sometimes this can aid in lucid dreaming. So It's something that I've taken up over the last few months I've never I've never been able to meditate to sound like, you know, oh Breathe in breathe out hear the sound of your breath. Let your mind wander. There was something like that I because I'm an adhd kid so I could never get the hang of that But what I did find is that if I focus on the tangibility of my body like the sensation of its existence I can do that All right, right. So so you haven't you aren't a fan of the wim Hof breathing exercise No, it doesn't work for me at all All right, right. Yeah So how about the chakras? Is that something you you meditate upon? So activation of the chakras? I'm more interested in the self-awareness that comes with it, but I did have an interesting experience one on mescaline Actually, if I can describe that Yeah, yeah, sure sounds interesting. Yeah, uh, when I took mescaline the second time This was again years ago. So don't worry. The statute of limitations is closed on my drug use by now I was a college kid. I was confused I took it and I felt this weird tingling All up and down my spine and like I was seeing hallucinations because you know, I took mescaline I almost was ignoring them because of the physical sensation and it really did align With sort of the chakra thing because it was exactly those same points that felt like they were vibrating or being massaged Sort of like inside of the of the flesh itself. I thought it was great All right. Yeah, sounds sounds nice. So speaking of this I suppose you could call it corrosive waters in alchemical terminology Would you say that these type of drugs are they are a shortcut to to certain States of mind. Do you think you could reach these? sensations even without drugs Um, they're not a shortcut to any full enlightenment But they can be a starting point because they can sort of change the way in which you think about things a lot of people They won't believe in magic or even regular spirituality because they don't believe that it's possible But then you give them psilocybin Uh, and and they see the frogmen dancing around or you give them dmt and they meet god or machine elves All of a sudden that changes the way in which they think about the world admitting the possibility makes it possible with regards to spirituality Otherwise you can achieve absolutely nothing Yeah, it makes perfect sense. So same thing with this. Um, ayahuasca, I believe it's called Yeah, mescaline won't open your chakras, but it can give you a sensation that lets you know that something akin to that basic concept Is physically possible to have as an experience thus meaning that you can potentially get yourself to experiment further with meditation Yogic practice whatever you happen to be doing All right, right. So, uh, last question, which religion or Metaphysics, would you say that you're most, uh Most akin to or which which religion do you feel makes the most sense to you as a person? I don't think any organized religion makes sense I am I am still I may not be anti-theistic I'm not against spirituality, but I am against the existence of organized religions From the left hand path the organized side is all basically the same There's good and there's bad in all of them. The problem is that organizational structure creates corruption And corrupt people will tend to be drawn to that centralized corruption The same way as as having a too powerful state, uh, corrupts itself and collapses over time when I see, uh, Churches, I see wonderful architecture that it's being inhabited by charlatans mainly the same mosques and synagogues And it temples even as a pagan I would say to pagan temples of the same way you look at some of satru focused assembly It sets up a long house or something They've built a beautiful long house with ornate gardens They've got their sacred groves and rocks and all sorts of wonderful things That are very nature-like and of course that more closely it approximates nature the more I'm going to like it But then you go inside and and you see someone with pink hair preaching about Diversity quotas possible Or maybe there is a skinhead and they're telling you to hate other groups of people and Insinuating that maybe something should be done about them And it's it's that level of corruption that keeps me away from any organized religion I would say as far as the founding doctrines of religion. I'm interested in them all Uh, um christianity islam, especially sufism Uh, mystic judaism hinduism would be a big one for me But I'm not interested in any of the religions themselves in the structural sense Right, right. So I will just note though that I I don't know everything about them But as far as I know the asatru folk assembly are good people though So I will just say that as uh, yeah, so I was just using I was just using an example Yeah, yeah, of course, I I completely understand and and I understand that you mean, um organized religion Yeah, I don't know that there are neopagan groups that are very much woke Yeah, yeah, I I have encountered them myself and of course they they make me Angry well not angry because I don't let them Influence my own mental landscape. I think you make them more angry than yeah, probably probably I do I do So, uh, yeah, just just a note on, uh, cabala. Uh, is that something you have? Any knowledge of yes, yes, I like cabala mystic judaism gematria associated with the uh, mystical, uh numeric practices Although there are so many different subsystems of it It's almost impossible to actually study because you have to pick the right one for any historical work All right, right. So if someone wants to read about the cabala is there any good starting place? um Unless you really want to really get deep into an occult system that is extremely complex and convoluted I would choose something else. Uh, but read read the sefer yetzara. I would say All right, cool. I know you have fatherly duties to attend to so I will uh, I will stop with the with the questions now, but thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us and Yeah, I have sated my curiosity very nice to get your take on things and hopefully it's been enlightening to all of our listeners as well So, uh, where to find you? I suppose most know where to find your youtube channel stick sex enamor 6 6 6 and of course on odyssey, uh, and on the other video platforms as well same on twitter, uh, are you on any other? I'm sticks. I'm stick 6 6 6 official on twitter The original handle was uh sat upon by a by a fan of mine and we fell out of contact Right right. Okay, that is noted. So any any other place people should know of yes Since we're talking about the occult and things like that if you are interested in paperback editions of some of those major occult works You can visit the tarle warwick books blog That's on blog spot or on wordpress and all of those are links to amazon There's different categories and I've tried to organize it as much as possible All right, awesome. I will link the I will link your homepage in the first link in the description box. You can Check that out if you're interested And yeah with that being said I would like to thank you so much for Coming on the show Yeah, it was my pleasure anytime All right Perfect xoxo