 I'd like to call the 10th meeting of the 2015 2016 common counsel to order with a clerk Please read the quote for today. Thank you mayor You become like the five people you spend the most time with choose carefully Thank you for that advice Next we'll go under the roll call with a clerk. Please call the roll. I'm sorry 13 present Alderman Don Hammond Mike Damro and Susie Lissard are all excused Next stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next we'll go on to approval the minutes from our last council meeting Thank you move to approve. Okay. Thank you for that motion in support Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next is resignations City attorney. Thank you. There is one from Heather Cleveland From the sustainable Sheboygan task force it says dear mayor van der steen the purpose of this letter is to inform you My resignation as a member of the sustainable Sheboygan task force Effective immediately she gives some other information. Sincerely Heather Cleveland Alderman Bellinger. Thank you mayor. I move to accept in file. Okay. Thank you for that motion in support All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next we'll move on to mayor's appointments City attorney start with this one from the mayor I hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Roman drawn to be considered for appointments of the law and licensing committee to fill the unexpired term of David van Akron Whose term expires for 18? 16 Alderman Bellinger. Thank you mayor. I move to suspend second Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed. Thank you. I move to confirm. Thank you for that motion in support All those in favor, please signify. Well, I'm sorry. We have to call a roll on this one. Yes No, yes, okay Thank you 12 eyes one abstention motion passes The next item is the confirmation of mayor's appointments city attorney. Thank you This one says I hereby submit the following appointment for your considerations Scott Grinke to be considered for appointment to the business improvement district to fill the unexpired position of Tom Brickley Whose term expires on 12 31 15 signed by the mayor and I hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Jake toman to be considered for appointment to fill the newly created position as a Business on the business improvement district. This term will expire on 12 31 16 again signed by the mayor Then I hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Michael Langen to be considered for appointment to the building use Committee to fill the unexpired position of Sean and Nishik whose term expires on 4 25 16 Thank you. Olderman Bellinger. Thank you mayor. I move to confirm. Okay. Thank you for that motion in support Those confirmations are before you all those in favor, please signify. I may have to call roll against right 12 eyes and one abstention Motion passes Next move on to the public forum city clerk Yes, this evening. We have one on public forum Henry can't you know Henry if you want to come up and Henry? Can you give us your home address, please? Yes, that's a 16 19 North 38th Street. Okay, and you will have five minutes sir. Okay The reason I'm here today is We are looking to try to expand our service area for the Gateway Neighborhood Association Right now our boundaries are from Superior Avenue to Ontario from 9th Street to 14th Street Some of the some of the Areas that we we'd like to include to expand the service area is we'd like to include Holy Name Church and United or Fountain Park Church also, which is the United Methodist Church. That's on Ninth and Yuri and we'd like to keep it so we don't have it zigzagging We'd like to just go from Superior all the way down to Ontario right before 8th Street so and we've talked to some of the businesses that we we're looking to establish a business association for the Gateway Neighborhood Association and part of those businesses that we're looking to include are the GT graphics and the the new new ice cream place That's right where the old zero how these was I think it's three three twins ice cream I think it is and the reason we'd like to do that is because One of the individuals would like to come on our board and if they're not in a service area They would be ineligible to sit on the Gateway Board so And in fact when I went and talked to Pastor Waddell from the Methodist Church He basically thought he was in the Gateway area. In fact the letter that I have I have two letters one from Holy Name and one from Fountain Park just to let you know that they Their intent that they do want to be included. It says dear members of the Leadership Council I talked with Henry Capitola today with the desire to expand the Gateway Neighborhood Eastward into the 800 block of Superior Avenue to Ontario Avenue It was my understanding that this section 800 from Ontario was already in the Gateway Neighborhood But as Henry explained this section is really not in the Gateway Neighborhood at this time Since we are directly across the street from the current boundaries of the Gateway Neighborhood It makes sense to me that we be incorporated into the Gateway Neighborhood the inclusion of both Holy Name Catholic Church and Fountain Park United Methodist Church into the Gateway Neighborhood Could positively impact the community and give leadership to the neighborhood activities and programs That could provide stability encouragement and support to those within the neighborhood Fountain Park United Methodist Church fully supports the efforts of the Gateway Neighborhood Association Board in Expanding the Neighborhood's borders towards 8th Street and as stated in the proposal From Holy Name Holy Name of Jesus Catholic Church Located at 818 here on Avenue would like to petition to join the Gateway Neighborhood Association In conversations with the President of the Association Henry Capitola It became apparent that a more in Intentional relationship between Holy Name of Jesus and the Gateway community would help strengthen the neighborhood Thank you for this consideration of this request and we do have the businesses but I haven't had time I've been swamped as you know, we had our our Gateway Block Party and that was an Overwhelming success. We had over 300 people that came to the Gateway Block Party and Half of those individuals were young people We basically were in charge of the nachos and the popcorn we serve 600 nachos and Eight bags of popcorn and the popcorn guys were about this wide about that big so and I would I would Imagine we we had at the time that we serve the the brats and the hot dogs There must have been about four to five hundred brats that were served in and at least two hundred hot dogs So we had a lot of people there. So and the reason we're looking to expand our service area is because We'd like to include the two churches that we have in our area because right now we don't have any church That's in the area and not so much that it's a specific for the church But what happens is we find that when you do have some of the churches involved It adds a lot more stability to the area and they have a lot of membership so we can really count on their Participation in fact, we'd like to create a special committee for the Gateway neighborhood where we would have the church represented there and they would be responsible for the family and youth in our area and With their participation I think we can really expand the services that we have to the young people and the families within the Gateway area So would you like your extra minute? Yes So what what would happen is in order for us to get the expansion? I know you approve the resolution that Designated our boundaries when we were officially recognized by the city shabuigan So I would think that you would also have to approve this expansion so a resolution would have to come to the council to expand our service area and I would just like to ask you that if you if you can to kind of expedite matters because we'd like to get some of the The church representation on our board and they have said they'd like to serve and as soon as you approve that We can get them officially on our board So I thank you. We appreciate all your you've done for us already Thank you very much. We'll get that on our next agenda Thank you Okay, then we'll move on to mayor's announcements and I'm gonna deviate a little bit from the norm here and invite Bill Hoppe from Gallagher asphalt to come up and give us a little bit of Information about our new hot in place asphalt recycling project. That's going on. They've completed a street and North Avenue so far in that process bill the floor is yours mayor. Thank you very much for this opportunity to speak to you and the Council about this process I'm bill hoppy. I'm a retired Navy officer in our civil engineer corps doing public works and contracting for 20 years And then 16 years in city engineering As a mayor pointed out, we're up here doing a hot in place asphalt recycling contract Basically the definition of our surface method for recycling is we heated up We mill it when we don't mill it we scarify it put fresh oil in it mix it back up and lay it back down again Because what goes wrong with your asphalt roads is the sun and the weather and that beat the oil out of it The oil access the glue which holds all the rock together. The rock is still good. The sand is still good So we're putting new oil back into it It's not a new process It's been around since 1908 in Toronto, and I was at 1936 1930 in Chicago the first pictures I could find so It has a little history This is a picture of our train that Gallagher has for our surface recycling technique. It runs about a hundred and Five feet hundred and ten feet from nose to tail from flag person to flag person to include the roller It's about three hundred twenty five Overall as a moving working area, and it moves down the road at about 15 16 feet a minute on a good hot Cold mornings more like 12 or 13, but it's a moving work zone next please the first heater The step in this process is we I like to call slowly roast the road So the first heater brings that road temperature up to about 200 degrees When that first heated leave right behind it, it's about 200 degrees Fahrenheit next please The second heater now brings that road surface up to about 325 degrees And that heat penetrates down into that mat So it's not just limited just at that top inch and a half two inches it penetrates about six inches down into the mat Next please Here's the guts of the operation It's fairly simplistic. We put new hot oil on you can see the spinning wheels their distributors Then right behind that we have the hydraulically set spring loaded tines And when I say this we can push down these these high these tines And since they're on springs if they hit a manhole or valve box They ride up right back over right back down again, and we scrape the asphalt off and continue on our way Next please All right, here's here's the guts, you know better picture guts the operation I got ahead of myself a little bit the spinning tines the scare for spinning wheel for the new oil Scarifying tines and basically a standard paving screen in the back heated paving screen. There's a constantly moving auger So the tines do the first mixing of the new oil and the old asphalt road The augers do a second mixing that comes out underneath that paving screen next slide And there's the augers mixing it up Next slide And it comes out the back of the paving screen as a new rejuvenated road surface Next hit it with a roller next and it's open the traffic All right, sweet little process next So where am I surface recycling? Okay, all right, I just did this presentation today, so I'm not quite The only one of the few downsides so our technique is since we're working with the asphalt that's there We're mixing up patch material and and crack-filled material and that we're leaving a very high grade leveling course behind us now on the roads you have here since Ryan and Dave have been patching with a three-eighth inch minus mix for a number of years You have a very tight road coming out the back end of our process But a lot of communities don't a lot of counties don't so you have to do some surface treatment To close those pores up so the water doesn't get down into that mat freeze-law start popping out and cracking So you can either do a chip seal a slurry seal Or like we're doing here. We're using a mix Onyx treatment, which is a very fine Fine aggregate in a spray application just to button it up If you wanted to build structure to your road Then you put a hot mix overlay down on top of it an inch and a half or two inch of your building strength to your road But since the roads that we're doing this year here in Sheboygan are already on a concrete mat And we got two inches of asphalt on top. You're not really looking for structure You're looking just to rejuvenate that surface and what we're doing is going to work next week So where does it fit in? There's a pavement preservation or is it new construction? Well, it's pavement preservation next week The Federal Highway Administration Recognizes that it's a pavement preservation technique next week Best place to get it and power curve for your road Degradation is up there where the in on a scale of one to ten Ryan use what do you use pacer here or micro pacer? So You want the roads at four and a half to six and a half in that range where it's there still some really good Life to it next slide. Where do we normally get them? threes and fours Does it still work absolutely as long as there's no structural issues with that road in other words base issues Our process would work just like a millen's fill for an overlay if you do have base issues You need to fix those first next Here are some examples of and timelines for various pavement preservation techniques all the way from chip seal where you do it that you're Zero to two and about every three to five years after that and it's about how long it lasts all the way down to a hot overlay or excuse me to a Hot in place at about what do we have here your six to ten range depending upon how your road weathers and it lasts about five to seven With a chip seal or slurry seal, which is generally then you chip it again It's not saying that the hot in place asphalt is Wearing down it's that surface treatment. That's wearing down. So you chip it again next week Pavement preservation Pavement management program that that Ryan and Dave practice here for the city It's basically getting to the roads before they get too bad Spending the money a little bit of money now to save you some big bucks later on All right Here's your boy again. It is we did in most places We're saved you about 50% Against a traditional mill and fill if you were to come in and take out that asphalt on North 8th from Michigan to To Highland Terrace there by cemetery Go ahead and take it out and put new stuff back in as compared to what we're doing here with a hot in place with a Migs overlay Onyx overlay you'd be paying twice as much just about in that neighborhood with no increase in performance Okay This is a slide I present when I'm talking more about pavement preservation, but I think it strikes to what a good pavement preservation pavement management program can do in Longevity for your asphalt pavements if you get that road at the right time Don't let it get too bad. You can spend the dollar to save yourself eight dollars and essentially have a perpetual pavement Where's you fix it comes back up at where as you fix it comes back up and it keeps going on and on Typical grind and overlay this is where We compare ourselves to To an inch and a half or two inch grind it out put it back next please When you grind it out, you've got these various steps You've got your milling machine you're taking the millions your haul of millions out You bring a stuff attack code in you bring your haul your leveling course in your roll it You bring your surface course in your roll it now a various number of steps all that traffic on your roads trucks noise that Detrimenting infrastructure that you have carrying heavy trucks Next please with hot in place. You don't have any of that Next please What can hot in place do for my road in essence? It's a pavement preservation technique that can preserve your asphalt pavements and correct all your surface defects An emphasized surface is there's something deeper down in the mat. You know, we're not going to get to that It's not that two inches that top two inches. We're not we're not gonna be able to fix it Deeper down in the mat since our heat does penetrate down about six inches. We can on an asphalt course Have an impact on it as we hit with a roller. We'll be needing that lower mat together a little bit So we have crack retardation. We don't have to crack prevention. We have crack retardation So on your on your roads here since we're over a pavement Substructure a concrete substructure. I'll be honest with you Wherever those concrete panel joints are you'll see them next year Just as you were with anything else you put on top of that road But are they gonna be the big wank and cracks you've got now? No, they're gonna be smaller little hairline cracks that Ryan and Dave will get to they'll crack fill them and You're gonna be pavement preservation pavement management So all your raveling all your potholes all your all your surface defects are gonna be corrected Penny's on the ball There's a fatigue crack Where the asphalt, you know, you just continually wearing in one track and you ask all gets fatigued next please thermal and transverse cracking this is your standard when you see a Any asphalt road where you have like every 30 feet you'll have a crack going across the road or you have a longitudinal crack going down the road Those are shrinkage cracks over normal Asphalt characteristics, it's gonna happen Happens faster here in Wisconsin in the upper climates because of our hot summers cold winters, you know down south where they have a more Not moderate moderate temperature takes longer for those thermal cracks to develop next please Alligator cracking is just that it looks like it's skin of an alligator This is where you know it can it can represent base issues, but you don't have any settlement It's typically in that upper layer where water has gotten between the layers and it's free slot and it's caused it to crack next please Edge cracking is just that we don't have adequate edge support and it rolls off next please Potholes, we all know what potholes are next shoving and rabbling We come up to a stop or some accelerates bath typically a stop with a heavy truck Repeatedly and that asphalt gives way and shows because it doesn't have the bind or the adherence to the substrate below next please Block cracking. This is similar to your transverse and in longitudinal Shrinkage cracks, but it happens on a much more regular and predictable basis and actually looks like big building blocks Or are made it making up the road? standard trans transverse cracking And your longitudinal cracking that you're basically your centerline crack where the road on an asphalt pavement Basically gives it up first. You're driving down the highway On an asphalt road, you know the first place that road is going to give it up That's centerline crack and that's one of the really big benefits of a hot-and-place recycling is that when we come back the other direction We overlap Where we did before So when we finish a job like we did on on North 8th from Michigan to Highland Terrace Curb to curb start to finish is one homogeneous mat. There's no seams no cracks no dips no runs no errors So if you have a belly dip there, you're gonna have a belly dip when you're done with all the road chatter I don't know if any of you have driven those roads lately. They ride a lot smoother than what they did before Anything else next It's thinking about it. Oh, this is what you're gonna experience when I thought we had transverse cracks over there Because that concrete slab is gonna move Can't stop it And that asphalt overlay is not gonna stop it So you're gonna get cracks like this back on the streets that we're doing that have that have the concrete based on simply because It's nature of the beast you get out there and you crack fill it and you're gonna be you're gonna be happy Writing in base deformation. Okay Writing is a big thing that hot-and-place asphalt. This is one of the two things that we hang our hat on All right one is saving money Because of the oil that we use as a recycling agent or rejuvenating agent We have a couple studies that have done there's a summary in the information that provided which shows that We have increased the oil content in the road But we've also increased the anti-rutting component of that road surface And we perform these tests on a number of roads So pretty much we had can we can say with a great deal of confidence that regardless of the road that we do Asphalt road that we do we are going to improve the anti-rutting now. I say that if you have a Rut that is a result of a base deformation All bets are off. It's gonna run again because it's the base that's right Next slide if you have a rut that's asphalt deformation In other words the asphalt is now mounted up off the side of that wheel track. That's an asphalt deformation We can fix that And you've had a couple of those on on North 8 next week So you're doing these roads this year. We've already completed North 8th from Michigan to Highland Terrace And just today we completed North Avenue More than 4th the 10th See on there correctly One of the downfalls that that Well not that much but limitations that we have when we're working with mediums Like you have on North Avenue is that even though the rear axles on the back of the trailer is articulate Allow us to take nice sharp turns We can't take a sharp enough turn to make a u-turn around that median. It's just not happening. I'm sorry So what we do is we swing in And catch as much as that opening between the medians as we possibly can And then we back up and we catch the lane that we didn't do So if you drive out to North Avenue You'll see that there'll be a little wedges or triangles in every median opening at each end of it that we just can't get to And we were thinking about trying to back up You know go 90 degrees the road back up and pull across but the road's just not wide enough for us to do that And it's offset a little bit from the opening. It's so we looked at it. We stepped it off And Ryan and this guy they know what's going on and so they're happy with it next please Before and after pictures of your local roads, I took a couple here. Hopefully these will show up pretty good next please This is North 8th Street before this is in front of the restorer store Okay, both of these next pictures. So there's one before next and there's after The same same view next there's before looking north the north. Yeah north and next and there it is after Next slide this is again just a 8th Street from the restorer store It's kind of a longer view to show that curve line what we did Since I got I don't think Ryan and Dave have done it, but you've paved into the concrete curb pan And we're originally thinking that that we can either scarify that and leave it and leave it in there and roll it in there That turned out to be more problematic than those words. So what you're seeing there is We figured out where that edge of that curb pan is underneath the asphalt And we're going right up to that and that way we're getting good compaction because what was happening We were we were not getting good compaction and we want to make sure we did that and we were calling more more problems We're potentially more problems because a high heat that comes off for our units hitting that curb head You have the potential of that concrete has a different thermal expansion rate than the asphalt And we don't want to be blowing your concrete curbs apart. So, you know that that tends to get real expensive real quick for us Don't like that. So we moved off We're very happy with with with the results that we're getting here, and I think you will be too next Here we have is this This is North Avenue, and what I wanted to show here is this is a nice longitudinal crack next and There it is after our process It's gone, you know that particular crack, you know, I can almost guarantee you won't come back And that's it Hopefully I didn't take too much of your time. Well, thank you very much for that presentation. Were there any questions for him? Okay, thanks so much Next we'll move on to our consent agenda and I'll include items two point through through two point 11 alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I moved to accept and file all our O's Accept and adopt all our C's and pass all resolutions and ordinances I second Thank for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the consent agenda? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll for passage 13 eyes Motion passes next move on to reports of officers Item 3.1 is an ro by the city planning commission to whom was referred general ordinance number 11 of 1415 by alderman haman and lasard ro number 76 of 1516 and ro number 92 Of 1516 by the city clerk being a petition for direct Annexation of the wagner excavating properties LLC by greg wagner and recommends approval of the attached substitute ordinance Okay, that will lie over Next is item 3.2 Which is an ro by the city clerk Submitting all those 3.2 through 3.10 will be referred to various committees Item 4.1 is a resolution by alderman haman approving the First amendment to the contract for sale of real estate between becknell industries and the city of shabuagan Alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor and move to suspend second. Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed I'd move to pass resolution second Thank you for that motion and support that resolution is before us. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes Motion passes Moving on to item 4.2 is a resolution by alderman haman authorizing entering into a contract with vinton construction For street improvements on pennsylvania avenue alderman bellinger. Thank you, mayor. I move to suspend second Thank you for that motion. Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed I'd move to pass the resolution second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes Motion passes item 4.3 will lie over Items 4.4 through 4.6 will be referred to various committees Then going on to reports of committees item 5.1 is an rc by the finance committee to whom is referred resolution number 59 of 1516 by alderman haman authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2015 budget to establish estimated revenue and Appropriations for the 2015 community development block grant entitlement program and recommends passing the resolution Alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I move to accept adopt and pass resolution Thank for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, would the clerk please call the roll for passage 12 eyes one abstention motion passes Item 5.2 is an rc by finance to whom was referred resolution number 60 of 1516 From alderman haman authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2015 budget to establish an appropriation for contract for the purchase of 2016 freight liner tandem axle combination sewer jeter and vacuum Recommends resolution be passed alderman bellinger. Thank you, mayor I move to accept adopt and pass resolution Again, thank you for that motion. Is there any discussion on that motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the call the roll for passage 13 eyes Motion passes next item is 5.3 Which is an rc by law and licensing reporting that their committee voted to conditionally recommend that the common council not Renew the beverage operators license number 9 9 5 9 held by kaolin negron Alderman van der wheel Thank you, mayor. I move the rc be accepted and adopted Like it, sir. Thank you for that motion and support Under discussion is kaolin negron here this evening She is not we did invite her to two meetings and she did not appear either of them Thank you very much. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes Motion passes Item 5.4 is an rc by law and licensing to whom was referred our own number 39 of 1415 by the city clerk submitting various license applications Recommends that the beverage operators license number 8 5 5 8 be denied based upon her failure act to reveal all relevant convictions on her application Her record of violations related to the licensed activity In her record as a repeat law offender and her failure to cooperate with the committee alderman van der wheel Thank you. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted So I got thank you for that motion and support Is um, Stephanie butler here this evening She is not we invited her to our committee four times and she's not She'll be their time Thank you very much. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes motion passes Item 5.5 is an rc by law and licensing Reporting that their committee voted to conditionally recommend that the common council not renew the beverage operators license number 2440 here held by martha joe bootson Alderman van der wheel Thank you. Move the rc be accepted and adopted Thank you for that motion and support under discussion alderman van der wheel is martha joe bootson here this evening She is not Same thing. We invited her at many occasions and she did not show up Thank you. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 14 eyes motion passes Item 5.6 is an rc by public protection and safety to whom is referred resolution number 61 of 15 16 by alderman Jose enacting a temporary speed enforcement zone from indiana avenue to eerie avenue Along north 14th street and recommends that the document be placed on file alderman carlson Thank you, mayor. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes one bill Motion passes Item 5.7 is an rc by public protection and safety who is Referred general ordinance number 13 of 14 15 by alderman jose repealing general ordinance number nine of 15 16 regarding one-hour parking zone on the east side of south a street North of georgia avenue and recommends that the document be placed on file And to direct the city engineer to create the necessary documents to create parking spots across the street Alderman carlson Thank you, mayor. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Alderman bellinger Alderman carlson Thank you again, mr. Mayor. I just wanted to take a second to thank the school district for allowing us to put these spaces in across the street from the The original plan They're giving up some land that they don't have to and once again. I just want to thank them Thank you very much for those comments. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none with a clerk, please call the roll 14 eyes Motion passes items 5.8 through 5.10 will be referred to various committees Under ordinances Item 6.1 through 6.3 will also be referred There are no matters laid over under other matters 8.1 is an ro by the city clerk granting variance license applications Any alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I move that the ro be accepted on file Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes 9.1 is other matters City attorney. Thank you 9.1 There is an ro submitting various license applications for the period ending December 31st 2015 and June 30th 2017 That'll be referred to the law and licensing committee Next we have a motion for closed session Alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I moved to convene in closed session under the exemption contained in section 19.85 1-e Wisconsin statute for the purpose of deliberating the possible sale of public property where competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session Related to the former shooker property In motion to convene in closed session pursuant to section 19.85 1-g Wisconsin statute for conferring with legal counsel for the governmental body who is rendering oral or written advice Concerning strategy to be adopted by the body with respect to litigation in which it is Which it is or is likely to be become involved To wit the matter of jfm one versus the city of shabuagan Thank you for that motion and support with a clerk. Please call the roll for closed session 14 a's Motion passes just so the people at home know that the council plans to Adjourn in closed session and we will not be coming back into open session. We'll take a short recess till quarter two seven