 Next someone who for many of you might not need any introduction. I'm going to invite dr. Nick up here Thanks for coming Thanks for coming chip. Yeah, why don't we have a seat and he's gonna proceed to give us a history lesson first We have to start with what's going on with that loud firstly the t-shirt. Yeah, what's going on? This is a health and safety t-shirt for conferences This if you go through the exhibition hall, this is this prevents you from having accidents collisions with enterprise sales people Has it worked it's exceptional couldn't get a beer from SAP, but other than that It's not your personality. It's the shirt had to get someone else to get it for me. Okay. Okay. Got it. All right Well it all seriousness You are there more beers from SAP today And what times that open whoo anyway So so dr. Nick excuse me. You've been in the the class factory community for quite some time Give us give us your story. Why'd you get involved originally? so I was at a company called engine out as VP of technology and Like engine out engine up was if you were to describe them today, they might be devops of the service Five years ago. We call ourselves platform as a service and and perhaps more authentically. We were a web hosting company and websites, yeah, we're webmaster as a service and That's a good one actually We hired all the spider spider-man and And we had built a product that ran on this new thing called Amazon, which was the only one of its kind and we'd used a Gen two is the base OS for historical reasons and like all historical software decisions. They you can never kill them like like Mono in Bosch and so So when you know we in five years that we'd run a engine I've run its product on Amazon, we'd ship one AMI This is before packer and other tools like we had no tool chain We were using chef The there was a whole pollution of our chef versus the customer chef I had over 2,000 customers I had just seen so many problems exist because you know We're at the bleeding edge and the customers at the bleeding edge of this whole new space of of running, you know systems and and deploying them daily and Yeah, so I saw Bosch April 2012 so I had all these problems in my head desperate fill solutions Knowing the engine out and spend tens of millions of dollars building its solution to date and then Bosch came out and said, yeah, that's yeah That's all solved You don't need to worry about that stuff anymore So I was I was in love with Bosch since from the beginning five and a half years ago love at first sight Yeah, love at first sight you trusted an early version though Trusts the wrong word But my relationship with Bosch is probably one of abuse I Love it. We need to get you a counselor. That's very much. So yeah many many project managers of Bosch have come and gone But we have to meet you now and it's good. No, I love all the support managers, but it's a for sure It's a tough project, but it's been a long journey for you, right? I mean, you've really seen it evolve I think pretty dramatically some of the best. Oh, it's incredible I look I feel bad for anyone that that saw Bosch five years ago Couldn't figure how to make it work and has written it off as something to never investigate again because sometimes we do that accidentally and But no, I mean at by the end of 2012 I'd started stuck in Wayne, which is going to be a consultancy around Cloud Foundry and Bosch You know anytime you build a new business based on a technology you take a risk that that technology becomes relevant You know the next year or the year after it came out Docker and and we had that whole crazy era of of white white You know yx we have Docker now like Why Bosch we have Docker why Cloud Foundry of Docker why Doritos we have Docker everything was up for grabs And obviously you should eat Doritos. They're delicious. This is a sponsored track. You can have this and I should talk about Doritos You it turns out you can use multiple tools, right? You can have your Doritos and you should definitely eat Doritos and Yeah, but and then you know then the pivotal Sort of came out of VMware then the foundation came out of pivotal and and it's been really As an open source orientated person as a small consultancy, it's been truly fascinating seeing the The heart you know the all the organizations and working with Swisscom in the early days for many years And then and playing with IBM and and their people it's been The whole community has been truly fascinating. Well, well, obviously, you know you you bet on the Cloud Foundry technology The Cloud Foundry Bosch for your business, so How's that going? Well, it's a bit of an easy bet really because it worked, right good I what I'm not very good at is telling other people they're wrong So like I'd very much like to be the type of person that could go into a place that liked chef and just Just crap all over them about how terrible chef is and how much better my shoes, but I'm not that type of person sadly because that would be a lot of fun and Also got to tell you I don't believe you. You don't believe me. No, I do the chef people lovely I absolutely you had an announcement with chef. Well, we we've been working with chef a company for for the habitat project So habitats like their new idea around bringing up distributed apps So to speak or how to describe them so they can form a cluster without needing a secondary thing like a TD or console And running the processes and everything so look we think habitats really interesting running habitat on Bosch is interesting running habitat We the the thing we announced with with with habitat was a you can make something an habitat and then do a habitat export And have it run on Cloud Foundry. So even the habitat people for all their Wonderfulness still have a problem with how to run their stuff Unfortunately, you know they work for chef so they have to use chef stuff, but it's um You said you like them I like I like we love all of the open source community like I Five years of engineer were harsh times with chef is okay. I'm definitely a lot of chef a lot of chef a lot of nasty chef I'm sure all chef is lovely now That's um, no, it's it's so you're part of part of evangelism is just being really happy about what you've got and just enjoying it Yeah, sure. And so yeah, I mean over the five years. We've been making documentation and libraries and tutorials and videos and And that's yeah, so it's nice to come to events where people come and tell you that they watch your videos and Yeah, that's pretty cool. So you're working on something though. You've been typing. I've been typing. Yeah You've been writing a book are the book Clearly it's not that important now the reason the reason I get confused is because literally the last thing I was typing for my Entertainment was trying to bush a fire chef server because I thought that'd be really funny No, but how's Chip know that? So yeah, so over five years Yeah, in the early days, I was like the world's number one evangelist I would tell everyone about Bosh and after a while like fine He's also modest to worlds number one evangelist out of a group of one. It was a pretty fair enough You were also the worst. I was also the was literally still am the worst Bosh evangelist and There recently I started watching I started learning like some other ecosystem type things I'm looking at TensorFlow and Arduino and just other things And so when you go out and you have to learn a thing from scratch it can be very humbling Have to not know anything like you do I'd we know it's the first thing you do is to try to make a light blink You go, yes, the light blinks. I am God of electronics But that's only after you've watched like five YouTube videos and read a lot of really great arguments And so and then it makes you realize is how how hard Bosh might be relative to making a light blink on an Arduino device And so I came away from that experience Very much a lot of empathy for all the people. I don't know who who might never have Succeeded with Bosh and perhaps weren't forced to learn it And and and come at the other side thrilled with it So yeah, I all of a sudden you had this new sense of energy of and a sense of urgency to sort of write a book I'm really excited about that. I will make sure this is clearly there will be three publisher announcement Yeah, they were I will make sure they're at chip references in this so I know that you did read it I Misspell your name and see if you fix it No, it's on a website called ultimate guide to Bosh comm It's still still being written, but it's it's there and and if you've got new staff and you want them to have a Some additional materials for understanding this thing that you've given them I mean to me that the key metric is is whether we start getting people going to their local dev ops meet up They're local Docker meet up their local language meet up and actually saying I saw this shiny thing And I desperately need you all to see it So that to me is the is the key metric of whether we start to get people excited at meet ups I think that's great. I'm really excited about that. Yeah, and if you want to be one of those people and you want to Perhaps talk about Bosh or whatever. We obviously the stock on my booth I'm gonna hang out there for most of the day or the Singapore room where we're hosting the extensions track Excellent. So come come chat with us about all shiny things great Except if you're put off by the shirt. Yeah, you obviously stand appropriate distance from the t-shirt All right, good deal. Thank you. Dr. Nick