 Sure Have you got your window sounds at a fault level why is it quiet? No, it's good. This is the reason I'm asking is my window sounds I think are default, but they feel just a bit and I've seen people complain about them before Hmm That's unusual or not Yeah, it seems that way Doesn't sound like a familiar element If one of you get an error or it goes Right Louder than I'd like it to have some to go into my Or I don't know what other effects it'll have Buttons, what if it has unintended effects like it makes you guys quieter or something that'd be horrible That's I guess don't don't prompt any errors then be very careful Fine, I'll try it. I'm gonna lower it right now. And if it people stop saying oh, I'm calling you anybody else And I guess I don't mean I literally just said that it's your fault I agree, but I also appreciate you taking on that kind of one Crazy how look at that pivot you thought that was very slick didn't I don't know what this has to do with an animation program Really, I'm getting confused now It's it's wow. Yeah, that's three you off There's a new trailer for Mandalorian. Oh, is there three us came out like one minute ago. We allowed to watch that I Think we are right like in terms of Disney are pretty chill with Well, we've watched other wait, did we watch like we've watched? Disney Star Wars trailers before them or well, I mean we could save it for like a I'm well, I mean if If J long but it does sir all bored. I don't mind the react. I don't mind it all bring it mind it all Is it's the I'm pretty sure I may have seen this trailer. I'm pretty sure it was the one that was shown Just in a convention thing, right and now it's getting really Or maybe I don't know. I saw it in like a in in Gufts quality you could put it that way Um, I'm trying to think of how I could maybe do this I'm trying to think if I could just start a different Recording in the middle of this or I guess I could cut it out and render it and then just put that as a mini But then I'd have to All right, because I'm interested in seeing whatever it's gonna be Mando season three kidding me such hype That's the best stuff Disney makes right everyone loves Mando Hey, yeah, I can just switch this over to mini temporarily. All right chat. Let's see what I'll do is I'll cut this out And put it up separately, but you guys get to have it as a part of a main podcast for now. Okay, so if everyone's in, yeah And when you say it just came out, do you mean like minutes or hours ago? Like literally just a minute or two ago. All right, let's have a look at the description box and yeah, it was uh Uh, do you want to thank it? All right, sure. Yeah I'm reporting you to the category police. Oh, no I wouldn't should ever know. Okay, so blank We interrupt your reguals Regularly scheduled also. Yeah, I should say rags. I'm afraid it's unavailable um, he's on some kind of Thing I don't know if it's like a holiday or he's Do whatever he's up to he's not back until Monday. So we'll see him then um All right, here we go Oh starting off with baby Yoda Why not it's the only thing they can fucking rely on uh Yeah, okay. It's like et It's like a famous painting or something. I just love that that's that's episode one and they never moved on from it I don't know what else to do with this fucking show It's like throw Bulba fetid there that give him his own show that was great. This is the one that you saved Oh season two you are as its father a clan of two This is the third fucking season combined with two bonus episodes from a different show and this is how far we've gotten one episode Yeah Your daddy Your daddy again, and then again you gotta look after your little baby It's just like fatherhood the show that's it. Oh my god, I don't know what else to do Using those like kids baby Leia baby Yoda. Yeah Cute fact that they realized they'd fucked up when they they almost made it so the storyline didn't include baby Yoda anymore They were like, oh no They couldn't even do it for a season. It wasn't even this season. They had to rectify it in another show Because the one episode of Bulba felt people typically say was actually good was the one where he was doing bounty hunter things Um, at least for half of it It's at least some novelty because it's we got one episode without this powering It's been we only got one episode and then we got one episode finally without it Um, or two, I guess because he went back right to me. It was that really awesome episode. We fought the giant robots That was cool Uh, that's yeah that finale that actually happened. Yeah, that wasn't a fever dream. Uh I don't know what that was Do you remember the fucking the mod parlor people a little bikes? Yeah, they made that is he made that uh And they put it in Boba Fett's show I'm pretty sure uh, Boba felt one best visual effects like for the Emmys Yeah I think I did Well, you know Why not I guess uh, all right. What else you got show what cameos? That's what I'm looking for Who's telling up what planets are we going to? But you have removed your helmet Oh Yeah, that's the one Remember the big deal Yeah, you're no longer medallion yet. You can keep the armor the weaponry and the like all the information And the sword like it was just like so really I could just say that I am right It doesn't really change fucking anything And it was also funny that there was just who that one guy And and Mando and it's just like, you know those two say like, you're not Mando anymore He could just be like, well, I I reckon I am so You know, fuck you You two aren't much of an institution. You're gonna be honest with you Unless it'll be more Unless he goes back to what is it The sacred waters of the Mando home world where you can have a bath or something and it'll make him clean again I can't remember what they said What a river I don't know Oh my god Oketon I was gonna say the other Oketon, but whatever. Yeah, she's she's coming back. Woo-hoo And she might be a bit mad at him You're cult Ooh, other Boba Fests Power Rangers Oh my god What's going on here African Pope fractured our people Oh, that looks interesting evil place, maybe Where are you then? Yeah Yes, the blue ones when they did all the In that one episode of that one season Did you think your dad was the only Mandalorian? Why why wouldn't he think that no no I don't need that one too And I wouldn't be surprised if you just fucking make shit tons more because you guys know how popular they are Just because people like there's cool. Remember how all of them got killed and then it was like, no, they'll be fine. There's more Also, where the I need more cameos. Why would I watch this? Where's Luke? Wait a minute Hey, look, it's Maddie's salacious crumbs in the tree. Why like Guys look at cameo That looks so stupid Guys, so do you want to see the Salacious crumb like get excited come on. We might get a salacious crumb tv show Yay, the cheese back Oh god, Jerry curl lady Yeah, oh boy. Thank goodness Oh my god, bubufrick. Oh wow I will say that's the one to get excited for for real. You know, that's very exciting. He's Oh my god, is he shirtless? Look, this is his house. He's he's relaxing That's disgusting I'm gonna get really hot and wherever the planet who lives in on leave him alone Yeah, he's he's working hard. He's gotten sweaty. He's taken the shit off for a little bit. I'll be for a hard worker All right, kid man, it's one woman I don't see the put where's luke. Come on. Why would I watch this? I'm with veda for an adventure Yeah, where's the cameo? Where's yaja? Oh my god. I saw any cameos We still got time for a cameo Oh, like save a sound or something come on Oh All right. Okay. No. Oh, I think everyone's real excited about that. Uh I'm still stuck on shirtless, bubufrick. You gotta be fucking kidding me Oh, come on the hypes through the roof for you now. I know I know it you you just want to see it for that Is this funny it's like shouldn't they wait until ad door is at least a couple episodes in before releasing this trailer? 23 so there's a bunch of disney and marvel stuff. Yeah It's been coming out. Oh that makes is anything anything of note that there's an doors trailer new Uh There's a new trailer And um, yeah a new animated show that like an anthology series, I think I guess If that's a big deal to anybody willow I like a tv show on disney plus because everything's got to be something on a streaming service now. Well I care about mando. That's what I care about Uh, the a new lion king like a prequel about mufasa like a A 3d animation pitched as a live action Oh, fuck. Yeah Woohoo Oh my god They'll never stop No, we we got these intellectual properties. They're right for the pillaging Yeah, they're still not even halfway through Ruining everything. Wow. It's again Treasure planet just you wait like they're catching up. They got to run out Oh, yeah Renaissance So they got to start moving on to the later ones and hell when's Pixar's turn? When are they when are they gonna start getting their foobs rebate? You got a main guy from squid game is going to be the main guy in Star Wars Yeah, yeah, no idea what that is, but all right Isn't that some kind of like isn't this some kind of drink you drink to sell your stomach acolyte? Yeah, maybe that's it Well, all right, I read somewhere that's the only one that actually like goes to the older Dory of Star Wars or something I think that's thing There's a skeleton Skeleton crew the one that john watts is working on is in their new high republic era Which is before the prequels. Yeah It's that one too, which is like the only one where I'm like, hmm because yeah Same how many people say that? You know john watts is working on something that could be interesting He's not making fantastic for anymore Why is this an e-fab mini? Let's close it out by saying yes, you saw us cover Mando season one in an e-fab format and then Minis for the second season probably minis for the third season two but Not before and or I assume this is going to be 20 23 Excitement, uh You know we're big fans Mando, so we'll be there. I don't wait to see what happens to din jaren My favorite character in the uh disney universe Pedro Pascal because he's in the last of us And I'm pretty sure he's paid good money for that. I wonder like and that's probably like lot of obligations like um Like from filming. I wonder if uh, I wonder how long like Mando is going to go Well At least three and then maybe cameos and other stuff There's a soka and all the others will be kicking off and they won't need Mando anymore I wouldn't get any character from him this season. That'd be cool That would be cool, but um I was gonna go out. I agree Yeah Yeah, all righty. There you go. That's that I'll I'll chop it out and it'll pop up on So back to regular efap now beautiful. Look at that. It's all red again. You scared everybody So, uh, today we're gathered to actually do something that's not uh G-Hulk episode discussion even though we need to do that as well because we're running out of like time to Keep up with it, right? Recently, we've had the the three tv shows come out all at once Um, am I the only one out of the four of us who see no, no wait. Yeah, free as of now. You see now three Hey, hey, uh, either of you guys either are guests today. Have you seen house of the dragon at all? No, I couldn't make time But I'm intrigued. Yeah, because uh, it's I I've said I won't be Recommending or not recommending until this season is over. That's why I'll I'll make a judgment, but you know if it maintains Between uh house of the dragon. Well hard not to make comparisons between house of the dragon and water the rings Yes, uh What they're managing to achieve in the time that they have I mean, there's so many similarities, right? Like super high budget high fantasy um Temporary using an ip behind them that is giving them different levels of uh prejudice from their audiences in different ways Some can benefit some all apart. It's uh You know, lots of political intrigue two elements of it Big ol law behind them characters making all kinds of decisions Got dragons. This is other fantasy creatures and stuff play to compare Three hours of both are out currently. Um As you guys know, uh, if app audience we've been covered we've covered episodes one and two for the rings of power We'll cover three and four once four is out Together, um house of the dragon. I've been covering with gary on his channel and up till now Uh, we we basically thought that episode one two three. Yeah, good Don't want to claim don't be claiming anything like great, but good good. Good. Uh thumbs up, you know happy I'll be happy to set up Yeah, that's the only new update for you guys is that fringy is now seeing all three of them And he's likely going to continue watching the show. I think I assume. Yes. I will I will keep watching it I've been enjoying it a lot Yeah, uh hot d as it's being called is earning itself a little bit more respect than a certain other season end of the end of a different show that happened at some point Either way, the only other one to mention then would be she hulk, uh, of which has There are four episodes. Yeah four out. Yeah We got a we covered episode one So we got two three four to do at some point on if we'll get there We'll figure it out. There's gonna be a day for it. Don't worry And I guess that's probably because it seems like now episode one is is not the format of that show Like it's totally closed now It's hard to figure what the fucking format is even after four episodes. Um That's true. Yeah, because whatever they're trying to build it as like a legal comedy It doesn't doesn't you know because they still got to have their mandatory obligatory action scenes They still got to find a way to shove them in there. So Yeah messes with there and I guess they're gonna try and tell some overarching story, I guess and so You know, you everyone knows there was a there was a bit of drama with this with this show and it came out All the reasonable people thought it was bad, you know and the unreasonable people Thought otherwise. I'm kidding. You couldn't like it. Okay Geez But also there were people who wanted to go further with defense of being like, okay This is clear evidence. Everyone's just being too harsh too too mean And uh, lots of lots of he is wise coming out Which was interesting because um, I think on the side of being positive about the show They were like making the accusation like you've judged it too quickly too harshly When I think it's uh, if anything we're gonna find out it's the reverse all the people defending are gonna find out like Oh, shit. This wasn't the show. I was hoping it would be I think that this is the first time thought because it was real I guess you could say it started with thought like everything that we've had in phase four Has generally been received positively when it came out and it took like a couple of months For our sentiment to turn but like with thought that was the first time that the sentiment was sour when it came out And now it's kind of continued with she-hulk. There was like there is like not a positive reaction universally as soon as it came out, which means that there's now like friction in terms of the discussion Yeah, and Whoever enjoyed and defended he-hulk. They're running out of patience themselves I think even with the newer episodes that are coming out. I've seen that apparently angry joe is now turned on the show which Didn't take too long For the halfway mark, so I was I was gonna say if anyone would it's only a matter of time Because I've been keeping up with them and holy shit episode four was hard to watch But they all are really yeah The daredevil episode's coming up and I said well, I'm gonna say this in the video I'm gonna release soon, but the daredevil episode is gonna make or break the support for the show Like I think Everybody's waiting for that Everyone's very scared. Yes Just everywhere daredevil Yeah, it's uh stuff, you know because it's the one tv show Uh that everyone for the superheroes because it counts as disney content. So it's even like No, well, it's yeah, it's uh, they're definitely they are definitely leveraging I don't know if they're gonna like fully acknowledge the show, but they're definitely leveraging the Existence of the show, which is broadly considered to be the best one um Yeah, like there's a reputation there and they had to know it they have to know it Like it was it was one of the only ones before the entire disney plus thing happened Well, it was the first one of the netflix deal and uh And it's it's something that is markedly different from uh from Well, that's the concern isn't it that the show that was made is markedly different tonally Then what disney typically makes with their marvel stuff There is like a formula at play that is In congruence with the show the show that people like um Now he's showing up in a show that thus far has been pretty uh weak Um, particularly in the aspect that daredevil was uh Was stronger in So he's gonna be funny now. Okay. It's time time for daredevil be funny I saw the trailer for the fifth for the fifth for the fifth episode And I've seen that one he's going straight up against she-hulk and i'm like, how does that work? Like he's it looks like he's jumping around and shit comically and i'm like I wouldn't be surprised if they're gonna scale him up. Oh, we got that. Can we can we watch that right now? Uh Yeah, I I yeah, I guess we Watch that because I haven't seen that and I I worried already by the description. I'm assuming is it like a tv spot sort of thing It's yeah, it's like a To like tease the rest of the season But if in the episode because it's just Um, sorry go ahead. Uh, I mean if in the episode she refers to him as a 10 or 11 or something like that I'm gonna turn it off I'm gonna turn it off and immediately I just Uh, here it is. Okay sneak peak. Oh Would I do I think I should have the the copyright thing up for this or? Well, I that they've got like music that might be copyrighted I can imagine it's like it seems like it's licensed music. So Okay, I can mute that Oh, this is the whole Oh, I know about the the person who legally outmaneuvered you Yeah Yeah, because I've seen the clip of this I think some people in chat you probably have to right so like the the episode four ends with the realization that Titania has copyrighted or trademarked. Uh, she held And now she hulk like This can't work either way one way titania actually can do this and thus a screwed over she helped making she hulk like an idiot Especially because she's a lawyer or she can't do it and this is all bullshit and weird and pointless. Um I feel like the show is gonna lose either way here, but they keep really really almost like trying to make um Uh, uh, jennifer look like a shit lawyer and I don't really get it Yeah, I mean like we've seen it in the last two episodes, right? She brought wong in to admit to a crime without like telling him that That's what he would be doing In order for her to get a nomination out on parole, which he would have never been up for Uh, and then when he when the parole board is like, oh wong You've just admitted to breaking somebody out of like a high security prison. That's a crime He just leaves and in the next episode He's literally in court He's now a fugitive of the law is what he is now, but look all right You know, it's fine. We forgot that was last episode and now we're in a new episode Yeah, they're bringing surprise witness through a portal into a courtroom like as if that's Excuse me It's not like you have to go through security or anything and also there's a guy who's like detonating smoke bombs in a courtroom And they're like, oh, how do you get those in it's like yes lampshade more Please. Yeah, don't be doing that. This is really great the camity show as they say And then also at the end of that episode under duress getting donnie blaze to like agree to their cease and desist Yeah, what are you doing? Why can't you just defeat him wong just kick his ass wong? Well, that's the reality There's no way wong is going to be going through because like wong won't accept the outcome if it's not to his liking Like we know this right if if like they lose the case he'll steal Why didn't he why'd they let him take the sling ring? Why'd they let him take it back to america? And also if you establish like precedent in america Couldn't donnie blaze just like go to canada and then start there and then you have to go to canada and prosecute it Well, is it weird that's good as well? What does dr. Strange think about all of this or is he not existed? I guess He doesn't exist. We don't have the budget for Come about he's got pink eye in his third eye That's why he's missing. Oh, yeah, maybe he's evil at this point. Who knows okay. We'll have to find out in the next dr. Strange Alrighty, what else happens here trademark your own pseudonym. Why would I uh Did dr. Strange have to trademark his name did thor you chose two examples of people who use their real names? Oh Why did they do this? They basically stole it from Just a vendors movie Every single joke that is slightly okay in this Is either stolen or it's just terrible Well, it's not just that it's the fact that we just had Thor Love and thunder Which all the discourse surrounding that was Thor's not it's not about it being his name. It's a mantle and then they literally like legally defined it here As being his name. It's like When they make this like it's like when wong said we're gonna do things by the book of the shanty What does that mean and it's destroyed? He never even read it. Nobody had access to it as far as he knew until it got destroyed. He's such a He's bizarre. Well, did he never ask dr. Strange about that like okay, so whatever happened to that book of the shanty Yeah, I don't know bad. I'm sure it's fine. Don't worry about it, but uh Yeah, this this was crazy to hear because I first saw this when you tweeted out, um And I was I was confused in terms of just like why would why would they say This after everything that just and it's like yeah, because these were made at similar times. So Yeah, I think I know why she's probably like the bitch antagonist character who doesn't like gen or some shit. Oh, maybe I'm still Jennifer walters. She hope it's just a thing that happened to me You said you didn't like the name. She hope I don't I do like she hope it's just a thing that happened to me I don't like that name Why don't they keep talking about how the name is stupid they keep doing it every episode It'd be fair. She hope it's you know why you're so aware they're woke Well, yeah, remember it wasn't an episode one where she said, uh, why does every I have to be derivative of a man, right? That's why they hate it. They hate the name. Yeah, and you literally are you dumb bitch She took his blood Well, to be fair, he even he even made clear and so did she it's better. She has better blood. It healed him That's better than his blood. So yeah Take that I do admit though. There are parts of it that I enjoy Well, I mean there's there's no downsides like Categorically the parts of it you enjoy She used his she-helki-ness to get her non she-helki-ness a date Like it is pretty blatant at this point that she's she's as much in on the whole using she-hulk for her own benefit as the world was The arc is that she'll become more comfortable with being she-hulk was weird to It's just weird to to call out the world for being like people Want me for she-hulk and not for me and then she uses that to her advantage as in like catfish and a catfish In a stronger story that would be some acknowledgement of that like in the story And then as if a critical and it should make her realize something But she seems to the show managed to make it so that she was the victim in that circumstance, which is amazing amazing hair no hangover Being able to walk home at night without being afraid ah Hey, they attacked you for your she-hulkiness. Okay, not for your regular She didn't have a hangover in episode one. So she's lying right there Well, what was it you don't get hangover is if you maintain if she stayed in a hulk body if she goes to human body It I've never understood She doesn't want her hulk body though. She doesn't she wants to be old jinn. So Surely there has to be acknowledgement of like the the big Okay, so like it has to be right that the the real the realization will be you have the capacity to help people now And in a way that's different to what you could do before and you should do that We went over this in episode one. She said I'm going to choose to help people my way Right, but I mean this is a this is a marvel superhero show. So there will be action No for it. It was consistent at the end of the episode There's people in trouble in the courtroom and she goes No, and then her friend has to convince her to save people's lives because she didn't want to destroy her outfit Yeah, it's all consistent. She's just a piece of shit That wasn't too much out of the writers You put on your green suit put on my green suit. Yeah, jolly green yourself. I don't know what you call it Hulking out. Okay. Good. Whatever Here you go hulking actually If I if this was batwoman, I thought they would steal they stole that for me somehow because that's that's what I call that Bitch when I first saw the jolly green the god jolly green gina. Yeah, damn What they wrote this in advance Well, even our abomination is gonna come back. I guess I should have expected that So that's man this much action Oh, yeah, the action scene here was great when like Long waited until the ed to use his vortex to just suck up all of the bats And didn't call anybody else for help I'm pretty sure it was a demon specific vortex because none of the three other people in that room seemed to even notice It was open. So Good job Life would be so much easier if I was just jen I think you're in a unique position to do some real good jen walters can use the law to help people When society fails and she all can help people and the law fails Sorry, it's just stealing did evils whole thing Like it is if if they are to do this well This should be an argument because that is matt's perspective That shouldn't necessarily be hers and there should be some conflict there. Oh, yeah Well, it's not supposed to be hers from what we've seen so far But I get the impression that um, look or I guess I don't care as long as he's playing That's all I care I want to make sure he comes through and unscathed. Oh god, there he is. Don't hurt him. Yeah, I'm doing it for me Keep your pussy away from him, please Did you get a ticket for texting just say you're a texting 911 they can't promise you that isn't what this is and that's not true Oh, that was the worst that was the worst. Oh, they felt like throwing that into the whole promo. All right Yeah, so that's uh, I guess that's a sneak peek at what's to come, but they'll probably bump into each other In the middle of fighting cry or some kind Have a little quick fight and he'll be like, whoa, you're a lot stronger than I expected Well, I mean, look, he's probably not gonna win that fight. I would imagine a little bit, uh It's not a fair fight really Um, but I guess they're scaling them up maybe because kingpin like survive getting blast in the face with like a bunch of arrows, right? Yeah, uh I wouldn't even see the clips, but it looked like kingpin should have died like twice over from what I saw But hey, it's fine I'm sure we'll we'll welcome him back in the echo show, right? That's when we'll see him next Nobody even knows what that is. Why would you even reference it? Well, all right Now it is time The the thing that I was supposed to do wait, I'll I'll I'll even set it up as being so yeah All that was happening. I saw the uh jay long was doing one of your famous Is it is it was it a knock stream in night of cringe or was it a different type of thing you were? Uh, well, it was one of my like like in between like live reactions that I do once if I want to focus on one video That's really long Yeah, well this one this one is one of the longer ones. I think I was I was surprised even by it's She a length of I think it's like 37 minutes or something Yeah, run about if it's who I if it if it's who I think it is then like I don't know why that video had to be that long for saying absolutely nothing That was the thing though The reason why I was interested in covering it was because I saw some clips that I saw you I was watching you cover it for like a half hour or so and I was just like, oh my god Like the amount of things they're saying that are so wrong and uh live update for you is the A lot of people disagreed with this person about their opinion and they uh, they they've priveted the video And um the the following video they put up they do in like a review of the next episode She Hulk and I checked out and at the end She she decides to address the fact that the video is private She said she was she was right and she was absolutely the video was on point It's just uh, everyone got really mad and so you know I'm gonna take it down because enough enough with the people getting mad Like already no Complete lack of self-reflection. Yeah, if it was um a situation of him being like, okay I fucked up. I made a bunch of mistakes in that video and I'm took and took the video out for that reason It would still be interesting to cover in terms of just You know a take someone had that was stupid, but um No, she's she's she's still happy with her takes in this video. So I was like, oh, okay then um, but yeah, the only context you require is good old she hulk episode one and um This is this the lady who was like, you know what too much uh too much hate coming toward her And toward good old she hulk and she's gonna provide us some understanding But yeah, I was gonna say go just in case anyone needs it, you know, you got us the trigger warning People in chat and I think she plays clips from uh from the the episode in this So I'll keep a lookout for copyright. You know how it goes, but you survived it right on your stream Oh You know apart from a headache. Yeah Oh, I meant just with copyright, but yes Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine um Well, all righty then uh since since everyone's ready We should probably get started because we're gonna be here for a while potentially depending on how much everyone gets triggered Because there's trigger warnings. So I think this you know, it's gonna happen everybody Mentions of suicide abuse and terrible opinions We're talking about two green monsters. You don't need a trigger warning relaxed Hey, I'm scared by green monsters. That's why I made friends with the friendly one, but they see him He's all green, but he's happy and smiles. You just called me a monster Is that is that is that expensive? You can have nice monsters about fringy That's just interesting as all well, you're okay with calling the hulker monster I didn't say anything that wasn't me exactly You said something when he was brought up about other people, but not you wouldn't defend the hulk seems mean I'm not making any you just call me once at earth or insane I think that you can have friendly monsters reflection. I absolutely can sully is a very friendly monster. So what's the problem then? I'm just saying that your categorization is all what's wrong with sully if if you're saying you should never be considered a monster It's something wrong with them That's that is not what I said Well, I'm I'm gonna tell sully about this. I actually got god. John Goodman is in my Sully will take my side What side the side of you being made to me So anyway, I think anyone who's been online the last few days has seen the surge of hatred towards the she-hulk show on Disney plus it has been so look at what she's chosen The men are evil. We don't need men. We're better than men. We are stronger than men We're smarter than men. Men are the problem guild power rules. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes feminist hulk So his absolute garbage green CGI reject Recap the show for you overpowered Mary Sue crying and saying oh poor me for hours at oh my goodness This is definitely very positive. But hey, uh, you know There's plenty of people out there who've got extensive reviews and criticism beyond just uh You know fuck this show. It's garbage sort of stuff been incredibly hard to miss calling it feminist garbage Woke trash a lot of seemingly very angry people which honestly seems on brand for she-hulk So good job. Some comments just went straight to personal attacks, you know, which is always fun. I love personal Oh Oh my god, I love those types of comments. Yeah, you get everyone gets those. They're uh, I Yeah, there are so much fun I had I had so many funny experiences with sexist comments Oh, I wish I got more sexist ones I miss out I I had one comment actually was like well, I I opened the video and I heard the chick talking and then I closed it and I was like I commented on it I was like, why? Well, who hurt you, you know, like stuff and So what happened? He got back to me and he commented. Oh, I'm sorry. Please be my girlfriend and that was I was like, okay Uh, it's just so much fun poking fun at those people because they don't really expect you to read it No, no, look, dude. So many comments online are made by people who never expect you to actually read their comment Is it it's really interesting like psychologically like you just want to express the A deeper thought in private but also publicly It's such a such a strange thing, but uh Yeah, and then there's the flip side where they pour their whole heart out like, you know fucking psychotic rant. I just posted on twitter this rant this Pro this ro v weight rant in like one of my zootopia videos Like what what? I just responded with like two like laughing emojis and they were like, what are you laughing about? Yeah, dear lord, this young lady needs your truth and guidance Realize she is not of god Uh classic love seeing how people want to spend their weekend. This one is my favorite though Like it's so funny to me. Like what do you want me to say to this? Oh, no All my marriage prospects. I've lost them. I'm gonna die alone and broke with no money. Why that accent though It's like a Sounds a bit like a trying to do an Australian accent. I'm not. Yeah some work It's I don't know. I just don't know what she's going for. It's like, all right Well, I guess maybe they have that accent, you know But you've got this is where you've got to take some creative license Some artistic limiting. I meant in reference to because the comment was like you'll never get a husband this way Or something and so it's like why did you choose that accent of any accent? But Right, like what does that say? Maybe she's trying to evoke like, um Uh, like a peasant woman or something older times. Yeah being like, oh no, I need my man And it got to the point though where there were so many comments complaining about it and criticizing it That I said, maybe I should rewatch the episode. Like maybe I missed something Ah That's a good attitude to have maybe so I actually felt the same way. I rewatched episode one before this stream today Regrettable experience, but still it's no Why Just so my references are fresh. I was never gonna force you guys to do that. Don't worry. I was I was feeling that cruel So I rewatched it and yeah, no after rewatching it I am officially convinced that the reactions to the show boil down to a few things One expecting a brand new character at the start of a nine episode series To already be fully developed to purpose I guess one of One of the problems I think It can be a little bit difficult to watch these shows and movies without considering I guess the uh The broad storytelling formula that often gets employed um Or like You know, like I think I think one of the big problems in a show is when you start to go like what is the writer trying to do here rather than like What can I speculate on in terms of what the story is going for? Uh, and like what direction we're heading in um Like is there a reason to believe after watching episode one that there is an arc that Jen's gonna go on That will like address a lot of the things that happen in episode one Or is that over like that was one and done and now we're just going back to the story that we're Um that they that they're trying to tell Um, I'm inclined to believe that everything that happened in that episode is considered resolved narratively Pretty much especially if we're supposed to have believed As you've said because I'm got like a source for this But you didn't you say it was originally going to be episode eight that that was first At the very least it wasn't going to be the pilot which makes total sense to me Um, I can see way more the like episode two Budged with some footage from episode one was meant to be like the real pilot I can see that the courtroom was probably the cold open Then titles then the whole plot of her getting the job That makes way more sense to me as like a way to start your law show Like getting her as opposed to like having the origin story in there And of a totally different like tone and I guess structure then like every other episode we've seen afterward And it would also make sense that they they cut the fuck down on that action scene at the end because They try to fit it in on to the end of another episode to squash it and that's why it looks so stupid But then again a lot of it has been that way anyway Um So I'm already interested in the fact that she's like she's just defined it as though We have to have an arc in a for a character That's one of the pitfalls of loads of writing advice type channels or even just writing assessment channels They'll just assume automatically they have to have an arc Because that's outwards In fact television shows a lot of them have static characters actually. Yeah a lot of um On television as we've been watching house the dragon if you were to bet it would be Uh, Renera is probably going to have an arc. She already kind of is The king less so he's he's he's learning about like different things and stuff But I think before he uh, he kicks the bucket which seems to be likely. He's uh, he's he's He is who he is. He's just struggling. He's having lots of lots of trouble I would say same for for Damon and Otto. These are not characters that I expect to change I'm learning about them and because of what their characteristics are they're going to make choices Uh, I can already see coming sort of thing So yeah, just off the bat her being like everyone's mistaken and assuming that um, you get a fully developed character in episode one As if that like accounts for the problems of she Hulk in episode one I think this is the thing is Yeah, well The thing is um a lot of people it's not that we don't like expect her to be uh Like fully we expect her to be fully developed But the thing is There we had so many female characters at this point that had that had gone the same route and started off the same way that instinctively we can already like Call it out and pin pin it pinpoint when we see it that character introduced Right away because you had ray you had captain marvel And instinctively we already know Somehow that we are what we're gonna get out of this I I think Well the benefit we have is that we have another three episodes on top of whatever She's going to give us in this video, which has got to be quite enlightening In terms of what she thinks will happen versus what has happened I guess what I would point to in like episode one is because I guess the main point of potential will be the conversation between Jen and bruce as far as I can tell Narratively like in the show that seems to be resolved The reason it's resolved is the conflict occurred and then they had that conversation afterward Where she kind of had that apology like kind of and so like to me that comes across as the writers are like yep We resolved that that's done In a better show I would not expect that to be a resolution I would expect more but I don't really expect much of this show And I think that the uh the writers thought they were like right So how do we convince the audience that Jen will be absolutely fine? It's like well first of all we got to tell them that there's no other guy which they do really quick He's like you don't have another guy and it's like no good And uh, then he's like yeah, but you don't have control of when you can do it and then the writers just go she does Are we good? So it's resolved. Yeah, we're good. We're good now All the while like ignoring the more pertinent questions that you would ask like well, we should probably like explore this more um reasonably because Like it's not just a burden that you carry It's like a burden a potential danger to like everybody that you're surrounded by In a better show you would expect a more thorough exploration of that topic um, but the fact that we barely explored it here doesn't Give you a lot of confidence to believe that they will Now I think that's done. Yeah, I think you're right. Um, that's what you assume from the first episode And I think it's fair to assume that uh, but now we know it's confirmed They haven't touched it for three episodes Yeah, what I think the the actual arc of the show is Uh, we'll be Jen essentially embracing the she-hulk like identity and persona That's what I think it will be that she'll embrace it because she likes it and it makes her feel better Um, and that that's gonna be the arc and I I don't see like how that's gonna connect much at all to what we saw in episode one No, yeah, she already thinks she already thinks she used the shit like yeah She's trying to like force people to accept her raggedy ass and I'm just like Even in the trailer we just saw like all all these positives of me being she-hulk, but They're we're the negatives. There aren't any None of it. We haven't seen that It's um, it's the difference between her and hulk, right? Hulk had a pretty clear detriment Which is that the other personality Is very volatile and violent and dangerous um Whereas she doesn't have that so it's yeah, like what is the trade off really there's no conflict really no Which is you know, you can do something with this with this. I don't like I think she hulk as a premises. I'm totally fine Like as a premise for a story both the character and her attributes and like as a law show in a superhero world I think that you can make them work It's just that they're not really leaning into any of the strengths of them those two things Well, yeah, I mean the conflict so far if you can call it that would be a meal once he's trial Which she nailed with without like in the most incompetent way possible Exactly how incompetent like it's unbelievable that she wouldn't have prepared Wong's statement beforehand being that everything in the case relies on him and he was never cleared like nothing You gotta get the writers of break they can't write law things Fair enough retarded Yeah, then then the next one was what the the demon that the accidental demon Subbiting army through a portal. She had to go help Wong solve that which really was unnecessary entirely She was just thrown in because they need to have a thrown in Like how the conclusion of that again is her under the threatening somebody into agreeing to the terms of it an agreement Meanwhile ignoring that he's going to jail for a day during the lives of what like a Talented lawyer does not need to threaten someone with murder in order to get them to sign a contract That makes them win the case as opposed to using what happened in that event against him in the case Yeah, you know it would actually make the contract void You know like that tends to be how it works Why wouldn't they use that against her they had to be like of you know reasonable intelligence to be like Yeah, she tried to kill us So You know what there's no way to prove that it wasn't Wong that brought those demons in you could be like Wong did it because he wanted to frame us Now what right because that he caused it like magically let you know what I mean Like how do you actually what is the causality of magic and is that clear and understandable to a regular courtroom of normal people Who are totally unfamiliar with how magic works? There are witnesses. Yeah, so he's got him and his his mentor guy versus she Hulk and Wong You know No Yeah, but he I'm sorry mean about framing right they can be like that's Wong Wong did that not him Wong fucked with his spell Exactly, yeah, you just this is what I mean like there's a guy with a video phone. You're not listening I'm saying that it's magic. We have no understanding or rules for this in the law system So all he has to do is claim that Wong fucked with him rewatch the scene You fucking hell Just not listening at all. Bye. We don't have any of the real back and forth like none of the friction or the adversarial part of the adversarial system is like part of the legal aspects of this show where there's like the back and forth because in the episode before When Jen took the stand we had like no cross-examination. It's like why would you She just gets to sort of make her statement Accepted is true. And then that's the end of the case when the whole point is you're meant to be fighting against one another and presenting your counter arguments But we don't have any of that in this show like really at all There's like no debate on any of the topics because there's no meaningful exploration of any of the topics So my god, I said that they're gonna address the accords. Like what does that mean? Expert witnesses exist. It's like expert witnesses. You mean like Dr. Strange? My favorite thing about like the interview where the writer talks about the court scenes I think basically she was like we had the greatest pitch And then we got to the writing room and we realized we don't know how to write an engaging court scene And I'm like, did you get did you had to get to that point to what was the pitch? What was a pitch about? I don't know You had to be in the writing room What was that pitch? I'm trying to think of it Yeah, we will see the results of that eventually because the episode one I guess is the closest we got to a non-law related episode, but the rest of them have been fucking head first jumping into the law regrettably It reminds me this whole thing reminds me of the show I watched like nip-tuck It's like it's a show about people and their the drama in their lives and shit But it's about these two plastic surgeons and they hired a plastic surgery Consultant to be it not just like consult surgery make it look real and advise on like you know How the dummies look and how the blood should look but they were also cast in the show and they were a very vital part to How authentic the plastic surgery scenes and all that all the jargon and was and then like fast forward Couple years like 20 years to this show. It's like, oh, we don't know how to write court scenes Do we have any like I don't know court people Yeah The most blatant for me as far as I'm concerned is the fact that between the episodes Episodes back-to-back we established the Wong is a fugitive and then he's in a courtroom as a Filing a case like he's actually trying to get someone prosecuted like that absolutely unreal And it's like the episodes don't even know the either one existed because I was I was saying to Fringy when I was watching it They're like surely they'll ever throw away line like Even as stupid as like wasn't wasn't here fugitive and it's like oh, they dropped the charges or something You know just that we'd be like why would they do that? But no, you didn't even get that they just they just carried on they didn't care It's also a supreme by the way would be an expert witness on magic But what use is he gonna be when he's supposed to be in jail now? I'm with this is there's such a like you're trying your best to avoid it But as soon as the American government get any kind of awareness or access to portals You understand that completely changes the world like entirely You know like it's something that's acknowledged in the episode is that somebody who doesn't know what they're doing could like cause some serious carnage With portals. Oh, yeah, and this should be a regulated Craft like around the world the least in America. He ain't just you know making fires and stuff. He's opening Dimensions and sending drunken girls in to go and like sacrifice Or something You know, we're kind of like beyond cease and desist territory at this point We're just we're just straight up criminal charges and long is waiting for the law to catch this guy That sounds like him doesn't it? Yeah, like it's not like one would just go out I mean the perspective of Dr. Strange which I'm sure is a similar perspective to Wong is that it's like their responsibility to enforce like Then they're the protectors of your reality douchebag as they would say you know like I think Wong Had a backup of like contacting his lawyer for Dormama. He's like Next the microphone in the court. Oh, I'll send them to the Dimensions like ah, yes, good job admitting to the intent to commit crimes in a court Well, nobody in the courtroom knows what the mirror dimension is was fine because that's the thing Introducing the idea they're talking about magic as part of the case whether or not something is real or fake magic like Yeah, how could you have a court case with this just zero precedent or understanding about any of these mechanics You're not interesting it would have been if we saw like an integration between law And magic and science and like how that can mesh with like human laws that would have been interesting It would have been interesting. They just kind of like they wing it. They don't know what the fuck they're doing I mean you have a scientist Bruce Benner. You have um long you have The lawyer she Hulk so You could have done it, but yeah um The thing is though the more you take it seriously the more it'll ripple out as an effect on the world like that Dr. Strange as a film works because as far as we can tell the world isn't really aware of these sorcerers They work in the mystic arts. They they're very careful about where they operate or whatever But as soon as the American law is supposed to deal with sorcerers and I'm not kidding portals like Think of the amount of humanitarian good you can do with portals the sorcerers keep to themselves You know reminds me of Wakanda where they go all this incredible technology and they're like no, it's ours Oh Okay, all right Hey, you know, maybe it's fair enough. Maybe it takes a lot of resources to run those portals Like what what is it like, uh, you know, is it electric or is it some kind of just to sacrifice someone to a god to get Those things to work. It's like no just infinite energy. They can just work forever And anyone can be taught how to do it Oh Who makes those swing rings? No idea I don't know Mattel boys are us maybe company Anyway, that was us rambling rambling about how bad the show is which has gone far away from what her original point was which was just Jen is developing. Okay, and you got to give her space and time. You're not supposed to like her in episode one Which is totally not how it usually works at all um The counter examples would probably be Steven strange and tony stark being the their introductions people always forget this they always bring up tony stark They're always like see he was an asshole smug womanizing piece of shit And then everyone waited and they got to it's like watch his opening scene. He's nice to people He is fun with people He does make fun of them too Yeah, he's got a whole bunch of elements to him. He's uh, he's not just an asshole who thinks he's better than everybody It's a little bit more complicated than that Yeah And it's not long before he is blown up and you see him bleeding from his chest that makes you go Oh, shit. This guy's going through a lot right now probably gonna put my uh My issue with him being a little smug to the side to see how he can get through this um Steven strange Yeah, he's he's more of an overt asshole Especially to christine in his movie But this is after he's lost everything that he got meaning from in his life Where his hands are destroyed and his uh money and reputation as a surgeon is just just completely floundered and then uh He's desperately looking for anything that can fix his hand Unlike a couple characters can be compelling too. It doesn't you know Yeah, so, you know, it's just Just a bit awkward to when they always bring up those as examples like yeah, because their man is why you like It was like no because they they've got loads of extra things going on to make them human director at the start of a nine episode series To already be fully developed. Yeah, wouldn't it be crazy to like a character at the beginning of a season of the tv show The first episode it's like wouldn't that be nuts? Not like their goal for the pilot episode to make you really like the main character Yeah There's been plenty of shows I've watched where the character may not be may not have been a good person But you were on board with this character because they were interesting or they had likable traits Uh, and well gen is just like yeah, you're just a you're just a mouthpiece for whatever the fuck the writer believes I don't think you know, you know, you don't come off like a real person You don't even come off like an enjoyable fake person. Like it's just I was gonna say like oh, she's like the perfect sort of Example to do what not to do in your tv shows opening episodes to make a person not likable But it's like well, she's been dethroned by Galadriel already So it's a bit late for that It's like oh damn it To purposefully misinterpreting or interpreting scenes in a negative way that I feel is Disingenuous to the full context of what was happening in the episode or all right She'll have to give us references for that one because I would just turn it back on it For three whether intentional or not I feel like they're parroting the sentiment where people don't speak up when things are bothering them and they don't get the help that they need There's also a fourth option where people just don't want to hear women talk about their life experiences. That's me Oh, get the fuck out of here Fringy was telling me that just as we were watching the episode. He was like, oh, I'm so tired of listening to women talk about their experiences That's me. That's the number one Any capacity ever even in a comedy targeting women comedy targeting women Targeting's an interesting choice But sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you'd think that the mcu would Oh, that feels weird. Does that mean iron man was targeting men? No, because I was just gonna say like man, I know so many women who fucking love diamond, but all right fine If we want to go this route I mean, I mean like I would say that yeah, this show is targeting a certain demographic of people Well, you too Of noxious women Not women. How dare you this was made for you. Why don't you enjoy it? What's wrong with you too? geez So that's great, but let's dive into it. A lot of the actual discussion points I've seen tend to center around the interpretation that jen thinks her life is a lot harder than bruce's But actually probably because she said it and that might be tied to it IMO I don't know I think the episode has her acknowledging the exact opposite to me It seems like she understands the weight of his trauma enough to state Multiple times that she doesn't want that life, but let's break it down from the beginning of the lab I mean that is stated, but it's also alongside her saying that she deals with this stuff way more than bruce does Yeah, it's really we've gone with this before it's the one line. They had if they could get rid of one It should have been that one. They shouldn't have had that one in there It fucked everything up in terms of being able to defend it. It's too late. It's too obvious too clear I've seen where are we do we hit a spaceship? What happened to me? I think I'm gonna die So I Turn into a Hulk now too to me. She seems very much so not against asking men for information or for help as she Just because you ask standard questions to further the plot that doesn't mean she suddenly respects men That does not that's not to me a woman asking a guy to help her carry her fucking groceries While having a kill all men bumper sticker That does not That don't they don't match up that don't match up I I'm baffled by the fact that like she she'll include like she's asking questions Yeah, let's take one of the examples like what what happened. How let's say how how did your hand get healed? And then it's like oh because I used your blood because I'm better than you That's the first thing that she comes to conclude after getting some exposition off her cousin there. It's just like Hmm Makes you wonder. Um, but yeah, that's the she she does indeed ask him What the fuck is going on because she was knocked out. That's true This this means that she's willing to receive help from men, I guess I feel like that's not addressing the criticism at all She asks broo I don't get what what was this point really like what what are we trying to prove here? That Jen is willing to ask questions and therefore receive answers from a man in order to help understand the situation I don't know that many people really made the point in opposition to that. Um, yeah So yeah, not sure how this is helping anything but sure there's a lot of questions in a very panicked way Because she knows he has the information that she needs and he knows more than her I was able to use it to completely heal my arm. Oh Because i'm better than you I stopped it right here during my stream like try to defend this shit. Yeah try to defend this defend it I just basically different In a better way and yeah, the better than you shows that she has a need to prove herself Don't know where she got that from So so she's She's willing to take that on she's like yeah, that's serious. She did say that but she's trying to prove this Just an asshole She said i'm better than you. She's not trying to prove anything She doesn't think she has to prove anything Yeah, like Siblings maybe it was law school. I have not been but I have heard it's very competitive And I I imagine people there need to prove themselves So this to me just sounds like you agree then with the criticism that she believes herself to be better than barus And it makes her unlikable. This is You agree it seems you're just trying to find a reason why it can be contextualized into a reasonable By the way, the whole idea of her being a competitive personality. And so that's why she Does this it's like we've got no context for any of that yet. So Why even you know, even if they were going to do that if they're going to provide us a lot She she's like this with everybody which by the way, imagine she like just constantly talked about how much better She wasn't everybody and that was just a trait she had. It's like gonna make her so much more likeable But uh, yeah, like Without any because this is this is almost head cannon. I would say it's like trust me History is a little person or she's got sibling rival real this that and the other This is why she's saying this thing. It's not because she's just full of herself Uh, sure, okay It's constantly but regardless of where the need to prove herself stems from that's just a character trait You can like it. You can hate it I thought the whole point was everybody hates it. Yeah Well, I thought that's what the point is that she was addressing was people didn't like this because they Hate that trait in the character. Yeah It seems like she agrees now But it's a character trait Little device thing that you had that kept you as bruised that device was a prototype. It was calibrated specifically to me I'm just gonna pause just in case me me me me me me me me me me me Like slapping her hands together like an obnoxious fucking bint She recognizes his expertise in the lab or she wouldn't be asking him to make a calibrated device for her I don't know who is she talking to like I don't understand Yeah, she she wants the device he made for himself to make him non-holky So she's asking for one She's trying to interpret this is like, uh, see she's saying That he's a he's an expert scientist slash engineer Just like no, she just wants something from him Yeah, I said this in my stream like just If you go to like a starbucks and bark orders and people that doesn't show a high amount of respects for that person Yeah, I think you're right. You just bark and shit at him. Just gimme gimme gimme like bitch Uh, can I like now kind of be that can I show my expertise and get this done like Or like or you can just shut the fuck up. Hey my pc is going slow technician fucking fix it now now I need to get on with my way and then he's like, whoa, he's like stopping a dick and someone goes He's respecting you and your expertise. He's trying to Like no That's the exact opposite. Yeah That is clearly recognizing his skill set his intelligence and his strengths. No, I don't want to be a hope Clearly recognizing his uh, his expertise and stuff when she adores him routinely in most of this episode I wonder if she'll show those clips She doesn't want to give up her life that is not no, there's it's gone The life as it was is gone. That's his point. She's she hulk and jen now What is she trying to disprove really? She's just saying she doesn't want her life gone and yeah, we agree I'm wondering is one of so this is one of my problems that I have with this episode Is that there is a real lack of acknowledgement from jen About like the responsibility that she now must have and that's not even necessarily Proactively going out and saving people's lives But just knowing with like absolute You just you have to be careful You just have to be because if you get, you know, like you're dangerous now There's no getting around that even if you're in control, you're dangerous Um, but meanwhile, what how long does she spend in mexico a week? Maybe like a week And by then she's like going back to the real world Um, like that tells us something about her priorities that it feels like she's trying to address here like oh, yeah She doesn't know when she's trying to ask prism for help. It's like Okay, yes, but Doesn't take long before she wants to just go back to her normal life And like wants to just totally disregard training or like any further understanding of her predicament That tells me something that kind of contradicts the point that you're trying to make here Like you can't take these in isolation. You have to address it in the which I guess she might get to Um, so maybe I'm jumping the gun a little bit, but we'll see Well, it's just interesting to me that she's trying to sort of establish like see she's she's panicking because she doesn't want to lose her old life when Hulk is trying to explain to this lady right now that like you you've got to come to terms immediately with the realization that you're a you you've got giant green Gleams going on we're gonna have to Have to break it down for you as if there's like but but As if the reality isn't the fact that she then gets to have her absolutely regular if not absolutely benefited life going forward Because you know as we were talking about a little bit earlier being she hulk has only given her benefits Lots of them in thus far. It doesn't only given benefits Yeah, so like it's it doesn't work both before and after like in the sense of before This is there's a reality that bruce is trying to help her with and so just refusing to Accept anything that has happened sort of things just not helpful in terms of understanding His situation but then going forward that's irrelevant anyway because they decided they didn't want it to be A crime not everyone can be stoic steve rogers sitting on the subway in a completely different century Yeah, so nobody has a problem with her panicking a little bit I don't I haven't seen anybody say that that's a bad character thing. I don't know that anybody would ever say that All alone. What's that clip from? I don't know no idea because I don't recognize this from first avenger winter soldier or civil war or anything else Hey chat. What's this from anyone recognize? Is it like a promo or something? Like steve rogers Yeah, I I have no idea. He's on like a train delayed scene Deleted scene Okay, avenger's one deleted scene. I have not seen this. I'd be curious what it is though Sitting on the subway in a completely different century all alone This is a multi-year journey. You're about to embark on on coming to terms with being the hulk. You said multi-year Yeah, sorry. I mean like she doesn't she's not She's listening but only complaining in responses never like taking it in About 15 years give or take Well, you know with tony stark and dr. Strange, you know when you they're unlikable, right? They're sort of a wholeness comes from they're like deep insecurities And the script makes it like obvious to you like some Maybe trauma or you know like upbringing or whatever But she's just that way. She's just entitled Yeah, and then the show is very pro that it comes around But with dr. Strange and tony stark and those characters the script is very just very nuanced the way they introduced you to them Introduced them to you, right? And you are always aware of their deep conflict and that they actually don't like themselves the way they are And you know the script builds from there, but she's She's that way And it's clear that she's just deeply deeply self-entitled person And that makes her deeply unlikable to to people right away Yeah, strange and stark are both self-destructing when they're at the they do the worst versions of similar things. She's doing But this show is like she's great for doing this A simple way to put it is when you're watching dr. Strange and he's being like a total arsehole to christine If you think that that's like meant to be perceived as good That is just like an incorrect reading Of that scene that is bad like dr. Strange is behaving badly um And a lot of his arc needs to be about uh becoming less of a self-centered arsehole basically I don't know that the the reading of she-hulk of like. Oh, yeah, she's like she's just incredibly selfish is the Uh interpretation that the writers want you to come away with Yeah, it's uh, I would be very surprised if that was the case These components that are super important in the other stories that they didn't take forward with this They were just like nah We don't need that because you you know what she's right actually And there's the reason they have that line where she says uh what I said was true harsh, but true Yeah, like You could do so much in 15 years now just imagine someone coming to you and saying Nope, those are gone in a blink of an eye. You do not have that future So it sounds like she's trying to like build an argument for what why she's Like is the her reaction It's that the reaction Makes sense to some extent like once you've been told You have a life that's before you and that life is instantly changed to some extent You're going to be hesitant to embrace that change which is I mean that's definitely true, right? Like I think that would take some time to get used to but they're only here for what a week again I think the weirdest part of this argument is that there's only one so if I found out I was a hulk, right? And it could happen at any point this person. I want to speak to you as Bruce Banner Yeah, and you might be like well, yeah, but what if what if you find out you have complete control over it And when you turn you get to be yourself entirely you don't really want to hang out then do you? It's like I think I will I want studies done. I want tests done Well, I mean what is one of the more like iconic sort of images of bruce? It's from the tv show of him constantly having to like move to different places and go to different towns like constantly On the run and constantly like sort of walking on egg shows Realizing that like, you know, like he's a powder keg. He's like at any point something could go wrong Uh, and it could be very detrimental to those around him. That says something about who Bruce is and what his priorities are That he's like deeply concerned about endangering other people's lives. Yeah, and you can tell he's upset Jen doesn't care much about that Um, it's not like one of the first Yeah, of course it upsets him right because that's he's a a mild-mannered good person Um Who like doesn't want to hurt people? And it like reflects him the way that he acts here Like it just it doesn't seem to be like a relevant factor to her like bruce has to keep bringing up That um the potential dangers of being a hulk and like the dangers to other people Uh, and she often responds like very negatively when this gets brought up because like I think the first time She's like fine. Teach me how to be a hulk. Please like kind of You know kind of like with that tone and then the second time she just says, oh, yeah, my life is ruined. Yeah It's like oh man And that's the thing You know, I think it's reasonable enough that there will be several Thoughts related to it, but it's exclusively about her like every thought she has about her Um, and how much it doesn't benefit her or does benefit her like it's just Really annoying that there's no sense of um What this will mean For everyone else in her life and he has to keep reminding her of that He has to keep reminding her of that and she doesn't tend to respond to those with the gravity that it warrants Yeah I mean, I don't know about you guys, but that would mess me up a little bit Triggers are anger and fear Those are like the baseline of any woman just existing. All right Gross People are proud of themselves for that one, weren't they only women have problems in life Yeah, because a little spooky man that are walking around I don't know what they're gonna do This is a true statement Well Hey, uh, this is a true statement. All right, and that's as far as it needs to go And it's a statement that is relatable to a lot of people watching the show And her saying it is not saying that other people don't have it worse No, she says that later. Don't worry She's explicit about that later She's just acknowledging that yeah on the day-to-day life There are a lot of things out there that kind of suck No, it was a little bit more specific than that It was the women's And and obviously by exclusion non men existence is uh, was it fear and anger? Or fear and uh, whatever just just the the helplessness and fear isn't it? Um Not that things suck It was a nice attempt to I don't even know how that would look in the show if if the hulk was like We need to simulate helplessness and fear and then she said well things suck in general so Like a bit of a non-sequitur kind of like response. Yeah But uh, you know trying to clean it up. I I give it 10 points for that It was cute as a attempt, but it's still terrible as a lion. I'm sorry And we're about to see hulk Nearly like sending her into this death trap instead of just using the horn He uses later on. Yeah For all he knew could literally kill her because he hasn't done enough tests Yeah When he was in the car crash as a human he got hurt I'm not sure what to make of that other than even though I thought that he wasn't meant to be I thought he couldn't be harmed. I thought that the last time he tried to like it doesn't work Um, but maybe they forgot about that Also, I'm just gonna say it being put in a glass box with like Spinning wheels of doom coming at you. Yeah, that's also traumatic Okay Man at einstein right this like this is top level is just wow that is correct actually being put into a glass box with a bunch of bustles That is very sterile. I would agree and what was highlighted by that is why is she here bruce decided to put her here Oh, that's out of character. That's very out of character bruce would never fucking do this But they thought it was really funny. It enabled some jokes about the scenario that was really funny Even if your cousin knows that you're gonna be okay in that moment, he did not know she would be okay Why it's even worse than you're saying He's a man They can't do nothing Man always putting women in glass boxes with buzz saws Whoops It's an air legore That's traumatic. She takes a few breaths, you know, she calms down. You're stood. You're stood gen right now Yeah, by the way, what I find interesting as well. I I felt this way but rewatching it really really Got this as an instance of her raging out and ripping the door off and throwing it and even she even does like the whole Thing and she's already done this earlier when she was going to fucking kill the three horrifying men who said she was pretty Um This is more than enough information to conclude that she's not got it. She's unable to control her emotions Like that just just objectively speaking, you know and and funnily enough bruce was there in both of those scenes Uh, but he doesn't reference them when she says she's got absolute control And i'm conscious like upon rewatch that reads as surprise You still can't control when you transform. Okay, so how do I turn back into gen? How did you do it? This is literally her asking bruce for help Because she knows he's been through it. This is her acknowledging. Um, who is she talking to? I don't know who she's talking to No nobody said the reverse of this. Okay, uh the the and to be honest with you You're selling it to be a lot better than it actually is too She's just like give me the cheat codes person who knows how this all works as opposed to bruce I understand that you have had a lot of experience with this I'd like you to teach me as much as you can about it and i'm gonna listen to it It's not you know, I mean like she's treating it like uh She's very respectful of his knowledge and experience when in reality She's just like give me the cheat codes. Come on. Let's go Yeah, there are there are many ways that you can have a character Approach like any conversation or any topic and what you choose to do says something about who they are Yeah He has more experience at this than her and that she needs his expertise This is literally her acknowledging What I feel like all the comments are saying So wait, wait, wait. She oh, I just realized she skipped over the part where gen says kind of seems like i'm done here Which um that was quite bad that she said that It was like what day one first test kind of feels like i'm done here and not set and like said like Kind of just like as though that's true as well Like it wasn't even a joke seemed like that was that's what she thought Why did she cut that out? I can't imagine but uh, you know why she did It's also the angle of like you you've built a car and you you just want to drive it away And then they're like you don't go any of the wheels on you like get yeah get the wheels on go And then she sees that as you see appealing to the guy's expertise at repairing and placing wheels He's like no, that's not at all what that is. She's already said she wants to get the fuck out of here over and over again She's just looking for the cheat codes. That's all she wants and she gets them She's not doing she she literally right now is saying bruce. Can you help me learn how to control? This was right after she said it kind of seems like i'm done here I just want to keep reading that And uh, and the attitude you can't you can't not detect the attitude, which is uh, so annoying How she says it is as important as what she says You don't really have to You don't really have to be a movie expert to read people, you know like we do that all the time Wow, it's just normal isn't it when people are equals Yeah Right now is saying bruce. Can you help me learn how to control being a hulk you can't be emotional Just regular anger means death and destruction for everything and everyone around you now So this is interesting because this scene she takes him slightly seriously But the I feel like the show says she listened to him here and then later is going to explain to him why he's wrong about this Like uh, unfortunately this is the closest we get to actually the show being okay Like it almost reaches some level when he does this speech and then she accepts it because this is like the truth Unfortunately, this is the show presenting this to knock it down I'm telling you when people start seeing you as a monster that never goes away After hearing this does she laugh in his face? Does she downplay his trauma? Does she say projection? She kind of laughed in his face A little bit later Yeah, and as you say, yeah, she she she calls it projection and i'm pretty sure um, it's it's agreed upon The show would consider that to be the correct Yeah, uh, perception of everything that bruce is saying that it is projection. Yeah You don't know what you're talking about whatever truth exists in the things that he's saying the place it's stemming from is projection Yeah About no She acknowledges that he's right. He has a lot to teach her She has a lot to learn and she knows it I find that fascinated That she's concluded this with everything that happens in about two minutes from now So she says fine. Teach me how to hulk Please Yeah, yeah, that sounds serious, right? Detect the attitudes. It's like someone asked. She used the word please She literally asks him for help because she knows he can she also knows there's potentially a lot of physical and emotional damage In the future she literally acknowledges that everything he says is right And that she has a lot to learn from him again fascinating that she's saying all this How did how did you get that she thought everything he said was right? Where'd you get that? I don't know She's already like taunt out a big portion of his book about how useless it apparently is which I always thought was baffling By the way, it's like why not just not read those bits while you're tearing it out You gotta tear it out for symbolic purposes. I see The training montage where she follows what he says And tries to prove that she can be a good hulk in control of her abilities Um Is that the nicest way you can put she's better than him at all of these activities? Except uh, except for him tossing a rock into the atmosphere, which I've seen people cite as true honestly truth Proof sorry that hulk is stronger than she hulk, but I was like Well, he didn't she never intended to throw it into the atmosphere So I don't I don't even know what as far as the show is concerned, which is stronger out of these two I have no idea All I do know is that they've made hulk less stronger than a fucking jeep for some reason And then of course him tossing a fucking rock into the atmosphere is an incredibly stupid move um And it's not something bruce would do because bruce doesn't get patty and jealous over A family member getting control over there what you could call ailment from his perspective. It's all wrong It's all fucked up men don't like seeing women succeed I see they don't they hate it. My bad. I got a little dick Grab a little boulder and take it easy You're not telling me if someone said that to you you wouldn't want to grab the largest boulder You possibly can't just approve yourself and bruce literally Why so So if she was watching the show and and jen literally just picked it up as as was told And tossed it just to see how she could do it and he was you know And it wasn't as far as his would she be watching the show and being like wow, that was that was stupid She should be aggressive and competitive God, I hate this You remember the simpsons when uh when bot and lisa go to like a military school and then bot uses the grenade Launched his sheet the grenades. It's like four out of five impressive, but you missed that last one. Did I and then it's just Get his car I'm just featuring that like i'm thinking about where that rock is going I like what poor guy's car It's gonna hit habs bulbon Yeah, if it was gonna hit anybody it would have been hams mulman. Yeah I toss a man Has to be a man. Yeah Or it would have been a woman's like house and then she sues the man and gets all the money For the dawn it hit the dawn while he was on his bike. Oh, no To the atmosphere nowhere in that scene Says jan is better than bruce at being the hulk and I feel like they're really that you mean like they clipped you ignored Like when she says i'm clearly nailing at all these things. Yeah fucking leaves. Yeah Why do we we're not up to that part yet or she's already showed the clip where she said like because i'm better with the blood It's like it's already happened. Anyway, that's the then oh and remember she's a competitive person apparently Yeah, yeah, but we accepted that but now we're like, no, no Establishing that they had this sort of line with her being competitive, right that she would Well, I guess both of them would especially bruce throwing that boulder turning it into a fucking asteroid. Yeah On somebody's car or house Because he's petty and insecure as well, I guess Well, you know what we all are apparently and that's how we'd all act in that situation They're really reasonable We're like friendly competitive spirit between them. I'm trying to show you how it's done I'm shown I just don't personally understand the interpretation that like this montage makes her look better than him Uh, because he's being really petty Yeah, they're He is incredibly insecure about his hulkness Yeah, like if you look at the scene so I he gets upset because she threw the rock further than him So he throws it into the fucking atmosphere that was said Yeah, uh, she does the balancing thing better than him and he frowns Like she's just like she thumbs up at him. She's like woohoo. I'm doing balancing and he's like Grrr Then she does a ground pound that's quakeier than his and so he pushes her off a cliff Like how are you interpreting this as like how exactly you're trying to say the show's making her look better Like because she has way better control over everything in this. She's better at him at the actual activities and the reactions to them He's just a petty asshole, which is really weird because he's never been petty. That's just not bruce banner at all But in the hand of the writers who probably didn't watch earlier stories And then there's the there's the weird one where they both do a jump and then she just goes man man I'm just I'm still like perplexed. I don't know what they want me to think about that. Yeah Okay Because it doesn't to me. I also don't think it's like too feminist to show her strength. Okay. Yeah She's tossing a big boulder. She's knocking down a cliff side We know bruce can do that But just because we don't see him do it doesn't mean the audience can be like, oh my god They literally wrote jen to be better than hulk How could they? I just like I just repeat what I just said which is that he's like a little idiot asshole throughout all the scenes Not that I've already seen him do more impressive shit than anything she does in that episode in other mcu movies But they've depowered him The jeep pushes him over That's one thing right, but what matters way more is how he responds to it all Like I care a lot more about what we say about character than just like their raw physical traits Yeah When that's just not true. Yeah, she's going above and beyond here to prove herself But bruce doesn't have to do that. We know what bruce can do when you have powers like he tries to anyway I was gonna say and he pushes her off a cliff because he's so upset that she's better than him It's it's it's I almost agree with her in the idea that yeah, that's nonsense. Why would she be better? We've seen him do way better things. He's being weird. He's not supposed to act like this. It's annoying to watch He should be thrilled that it's so easy for a like It's like putting a target on your back in the backs of all the people you care about So we did skip over a bunch of stuff then. Yeah, she's The part where she said I'm clearly nailing it at all these things and how's this gonna help me as a lawyer? Yeah, which Subtextually again, what are those lines telling you? I want to get the fuck out of here. I'm done Well, and and I mean Ah damn now I'm just realizing something because when she says how's this gonna help me as a lawyer It's like ah see because bruce isn't thinking about how to help her as a lawyer He's projecting his desire for her to be a superhero Man, it makes him wrong as opposed to the reality that we all thought was happening Which is you are a crazy green huge angry person. You need to calm down and think about this and do some tests But like yeah There's a huge shame that that's uh What we got but oh well Yet another way my life is ruined. Thanks bruce. I actually think she knows exactly how much trauma bruce has been through And she does not want that life for herself No, you mean to say she does not care You think you think that's that's the point. It doesn't mean that it is for the entire episode. She hulk sounds like an eye roll Yeah, and and the fact is like she it's really bad if you think that she's got that running in her head at all times How much trauma he's been through because the way she fucking talks to him is unacceptable if she's actually got that on their mind Ridiculous And we're not going to sit here and pretend that the fact she can now turn into a green hulk and bruce is consistently telling her Her life will never be the same Isn't a lot to take in he's literally saying she's never going to be able to no one is saying is she doesn't have a lot to take in Different thing to have the job she loves all of her loved ones are going to be in danger And she can't go back to her old life. That's a lot to wrestle with. Yeah, okay. Maybe she doesn't have a child You know it'd be great if we saw her wrestling with it. Yeah, I mean Literally didn't have to wrestle with that at all actually She took like a couple days off with bruce Constantly told him that she doesn't need to take the days off And then she went back to her life. That was it In her life like people have been saying the comics say bruce does maybe she didn't watch Tony natasha steve all leave Slash die But her life just changed in the blink of an eye and guess what she has to deal with that trauma One moment. She's fine soaring down the road got an office got business cards in the next moment Bam blink of an eye car crash superpowers no more normal life for her Yeah, I watched it too. What's her point? Yeah, she's gonna have to deal with that trauma now and clearly bruce has put in the time and the effort to get Where he mentally is now is fully integrated itself again He seems happy and at peace with where he is at this stage of his life Whereas jen is still excuse the pun green to this whole thing She wants to hold on to her old life as tight as she can and she very clearly has not come to terms with the fact That it's going to be different now regardless of if she wants it to be or not So I mean it really that's the funny thing though her jen life is Pretty much unscathed and she started to this is what I mean about having later episodes. It's the um She hill has given her opportunities that she didn't have when she was jen Now she gets to have like a bigger and better office a more prestigious role Just better dates on tinder. She can fight better. She can defend herself better. She's faster. You know what I mean like It's kind of just awkward to think about in retrospect like see she's All very difficult because her life's been made so different and worse and turned upside down It's just like What ends up being fucking great Basically every respect And the worst thing is that she keeps whining about like I want to be jen again. Well be jen You have a choice. It's not like you don't You can just choose not to be she hulk not to turn into her. Well, that's the one thing that remember the story Created circumstances that would prevent her like she got fired for saving people's lives And then nobody would take her which is insane Especially when uh, the lawyer guy who hires her says that she put up a winning case against the super duper law firm Yeah, so like she must be a good lawyer even though obviously like the story is told doesn't Doesn't quite support that Um, so they had to kind of like contrive a story that essentially punished her for doing the right thing To like kind of bolster this perception, but I mean at the end of the day It's not going to stand up because like all of these benefits just keeps stacking up Yeah, because even though she lost that job she ended up getting a higher paying one anyway Yeah, and the the caveat being that she has to do like super human cases and and be in the she-hawk Which she constantly like eye rolls and sighs about having to do but nails every one of them anyway It's weird though because it technically is on brand with her character like all my life is actually not that bad, but i'm suffering That's actually that's all point actually I'll get the show in it's consistent But bafflingly not many people are liking it. Can you believe it? She asks so when do you think I Can leave let's just focus on each day as they come Jim She wants to get back to her life so badly after we know that is not an answer That has a definitive end goal That's true The hulk does not know when the exact date and time will be where she is able to leave because she has full control That is correct. I mean if you're really hard to figure out a date considering this is the second time that this has ever happened arguably unprecedented because Apparently her dna is slightly different than his and who knows what effects that'll have He's a girl. Maybe that changes stuff too, you know Why this is what I mean bruce has done the most intelligent thing possible Like let's take it slow and test and do all kinds of like exercises and she's just like I want to be a lawyer What do you mean? This is why people don't like it. It's really fucking hard to like someone who's like this No date nothing for her to like hope for work towards just sort of a non-committal Yeah, just keep working. I mean that's not even necessarily true at this point. They haven't cracked When she can and cannot control turning into the hulk It's at the end of this conversation that she's cracked out and lets him know and he's like what remember? She says I've outgrown your binder Which uh, again It's amazing. She doesn't even know what's in there He's outgrown it. I mean, I love bruce, but that's not an answer. I legitimate, you know, that's what answer can he give? He can't tell her exactly when it would happen And she's a lawyer feel like she would understand this to some degree We do have a life to get back to I know I've been pushing you through a lot But being a superhero is a trial by fire Even though the number one thing she has been saying this whole time is that she doesn't want to be a superhero I'm not going to be a superhero. I almost feel like this is like a semantic thing I think we were talking about this when we were covering episode one But just the whole like he keeps using superhero and In actuality what he means when he kind of explains it is that you've been given a huge amount of strength and Power and with that he's doing the spider-man thing basically It's not necessarily that you have to wear an outfit and have an actual name of stuff It just means that you've got the potential to help people way more than pretty much anybody most people let's just say And uh, obviously you'll choose to help people as a result of that correct And as fringy's pointed out, that's what the arc of this show is probably going to be by the end of it She's like, you know what? I will use she help to help people not just be a lawyer Seems like dear devils talking to her about that in episode five um And so like yeah, that's that's great and everything so like bruce would have been correct on that But only because she will eventually decide that that is something she wants to do However, she will still have been correct on everything else. She said in this episode Um So yeah, when he says superhero, he's just referring to helping people In in the specific sense of using her strength to do so and she's already started doing that anyway She has made it so clear that she did not sign up for this life And she just wants her old life back We have to make sure of your ability to tolerate the stress and regulate your emotions Especially your anger. He poses this to her right as a goal regulate your emotions Only the main trigger Anger her responding to him here in this scene is not her making everything about herself It's a response to him directly about the abilities. They're talking about in the conversation. Here's the fingers I'm great at controlling my this is one of those we are like, how are you going to do this? How are you going to defend this? It'll take a lot Anger I do it all the time. I can't wait if I don't I will get called Emotional or imagine being called emotional oof Anyway, I get called racist and sexist almost every day just halfway Difficult Yeah, but you're a woman so That's no way near as bad as it gets some people will say you're emotional. How do you hack it? I had like Literally get murdered and I want to say also. Yeah, you almost get muted all the time too. I'm a suck Almost get murdered like When you don't even know know you're about to get murdered because you don't fucking know you're about to get murdered Well, that's the thing when you about to stand in a corner. There could be a guy around that corner. You don't know And that's basically just me right Hey, Bruce actually looks like he understood me for half a second. You know, I almost died right there Get murdered and I want to say Bruce actually looks like he understands Um Who wrote him the same fuckers who wrote her Why would you even make this argument? Look, he understands. He follows the argument. Look to your hero. They agree with him Which is funny considering a lot of the reactions are angry on behalf of him He's written by them because he's not not himself though. That's the whole fucking complainancy. He's not him I love that she's like, look, why are you disagreeing with him? You should you should feel the way he does It's not like your favorite character is being written by a bunch of butter churns Oh my god, like Whatever your favorite character is assassinated. Don't worry because that character is doing that thing that you don't want them to do Therefore, it's okay. That's We've come across people who've made that argument you've had before it'll be like How can you say this character wouldn't do this thing when you're seeing them do it? Like whoa Yeah, it's it's absolutely unreal Get murdered and I want to say bruce actually looks like he understands Which is funny considering a lot of the reactions are angry on behalf of him But meanwhile he actually Has created an open and safe environment for her to discuss these issues Anyways, here's the scene that people seem to be running He doesn't fucking These are not the issues that he was looking to discuss like whether she was being cackled talking about Enraged like and you know what it's it's funny because I I never understood why he never brought up the fact that the first time He saw her dealing with her being hulk She failed and it was essentially cat calling You know what I mean? Like and she's telling him right now like I have complete control all you'd have to be like is like well Obviously, you don't the one time this actually happened to you that we've done so far. You had a blackout from anger Because this is the thing you might be able to argue She's turned into hulk in that training session with the buzz saws And when they're doing their little training sessions and she's back out But we've still got two instances of her turning into hulk and her blacking out with with like rage So surely that's enough to be like we still need to do more tests We still need to take more time Last thing we need is for you to go have a blackout that's not in a forest so that you just annihilate a city or something And you know feels like he should reference that a little bit more With to like prove that she thinks she has a harder life than bruce I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you Yeah, and that that's the mistake. Yeah, that was that was the line that destroyed everything Yeah That vein popping out of her neck. She meant that shit. Yeah vein popping out of this thing She's fucking angry at him for even imagining otherwise and she's the word infinitely It's not even like measurable how much she's dealing with more than him So This is the thing if you'd not have this line, there are defenses you can mount Uh, but it was over the second she said this the writers screwed you over. I'm sorry So all of this just feels like projecting a lot of shit onto me, which she's not wrong A lot of it is She's not wrong I wish you could just go and like about this one thing can be like You know like actually called it out a bit Okay, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, like if she'd said that line was cringe, uh, but the rest of it's fine If she had said that that would have been neat. Oh, well, it's not it's true though Yeah, she's it's just right He clearly is not just teaching her how to minimize damages but also to become a superhero like she's stated She doesn't want so she hulks out d hulks just to prove that she has it all under control Which is what their lessons were for originally is stay here until you figure out how to control your hulks Yeah, and when she does that by the way in the scene he he says something like, you know This is completely new ground for me. And then she just walks off. We don't even get to like Figure it out deal with it test it understand it at all. She does it once and she's like, well, I'm done. Bye It is to control when you turn so bruce succeeded in helping her. He didn't know he was baffled by it He had no idea what was happening He wasn't him This is that that weird shit They write for a lot of female characters with their arcs for understanding their powers go from they're really strong And now they're even stronger. It's like and how well they figured it out They figured it out and you're like, okay America chavez captain marvel and uh she hulk all three of them have done it Unbelievable Her he has about growing your binder cuz Love you bruce, but i'm going home aka the solution that worked for him and his life Is not necessarily applicable to her which makes sense Not necessarily applicable to her we didn't get to find out there's no this is what i mean All bruce wanted to do was continue testing and keeping an eye on it But nope wants to go back to lawyering They're different people it's worth putting loads of people's lives in danger if you want to go back to being a lawyer That makes total sense. That's also another reason why people like it so much Nowhere in this statement does she say i've had a more traumatic life than you um Did you just skip right on past the fucking rant you just showed I it's weird to me that she wouldn't even at least have the olive branch of being like I see why people Would have come to that conclusion Because she says explicitly i deal with more than you do infinitely Which uh feels like she almost literally said I have more trauma than you it kind of feels that way. I guess she's not Literally using those words. So hmm He said you need to learn to regulate your emotions, but she demonstrates that she already has that skill set Yeah She clearly has demonstrated the opposite too. That's that's kind of why I was like Bad for bruce that he couldn't have a bit of a spine and point out that uh She's fucked it up twice in in his company before Not good enough to to go like this it's not like there's zero instances of her losing her shit. So She already does that in her daily life And I don't see anyone commenting on the fact that this is just her equivalent of that's my secret cap I'm always angry. They're simply Well, that wouldn't even make sense would it because she's saying that she's got it harder than him. It's not an equal thing Um, and that's something that he had to learn by the way. He had his whole movie for that He just cracked it straight away because she's already experienced this in her daily life being cat called Or sorry, I didn't want to minimize it. She also said when um When a guy tries to tell you how to do a thing that she knows better than him at or something like that, right? Then explaining and then of course we threw in also maybe getting muted uh Yeah, he's saying that she skipped the like need to learn how to regulate my emotions step That bruce had to go through before he got to that point in the avengers Which I think is fair and has nothing to do with trauma Anger at your circumstances has nothing to do with the trauma that you've experienced in your life Angry circumstances nothing to do with trauma in you. I mean it can I don't I don't even This we got that problem again of wait. Who are you talking to again? Who said? I'm a little bit lost again, and I feel like we as viewers know bruce's journey We've seen what he's been through. He's definitely had his moments of being angry all the time But that doesn't invalidate the fact that her life experiences have also contributed to her Knowing how to control her anger. I do sometimes wish she didn't say the I do it infinitely more than you There we go the conditioning. We've almost broken through Don't say but I feel like that's what people are latching on to and if she hadn't said that sentence I'd be really curious to know if people were actually listening to her Or if they'd find something else to complain about so that's the problem They were listening to yeah, and what she said fundamentally changes what she meant It's like she just said I wish you hadn't said two plus two plus two is six Because uh two plus two is four and just said two plus two is four. It's like yeah, we all do But she didn't she said the other thing Which was much worse And it's interesting because yeah people did listen to her and that's why they're upset Because women deserve to have a space to talk about their experiences and once more If you don't think that this makes women look a little bit clownish The fact she's talking to bruce banner of all people and explaining that cat calling makes her infinitely ready compared to him to deal with anger You don't you don't think that that's absurd Does that mean like uh people had a lot of trouble trying to defend this one because it's just it just pushes it that that just just too far um You need you you'd have a saying this probably to like the the the scummy lawyer character, right? Who's like an asshole to her but that was even another thing they fucked up the um The lawyer guy who like tells it. I should do the closing argument. She just tells him no and then she does it anyway You know like even that like Sort of thing doesn't really reflect the trouble. She has to deal with That she complains about like had he been a superior and stopped her And he said like you're just you know, you're not you're not capable That sort of thing um And then you know, maybe Right go ahead No, no continue It's just gonna say that if maybe you know, you do the storyline of like he's Has a fucking sickness or he's he's cold. He's he's got a phone call He's got to take care of and then she's forced to do the closing argument and she nails it that sort of stuff You can write um, but instead she just stopped him. She's like, no, I'll do it and he's like, oh Are you gonna say something? well I mean about this scene You know the thing about it is that When you are a victim, right when you are a woman and a victim and you you've been through traumatic Experiences you will know better than to devalue anybody else's experience Because you know firsthand what it feels like to be you know How bad it feels To be you know, not listened to or that fear of You know, nobody will trust me or nobody will believe me So like It's just it's it's crazy Yeah, um Especially strange when you consider He is his cousin meaning she's gonna have Much more detail of what he's been through than most people but he wouldn't even need to be A family member to know a lot about the public events of what the hulk has been through Um And you know, you caught detail of like in the initial scene where he talks about how he went He was on the alien planet for x amount of time where the other guy had complete control Like he's already told her about some of the most horrible things that have happened to him You know, no offense But like I just I can't imagine any amount of cat calling being as traumatic to me as someone taking over my body for two years Uh, and I feel like most people would agree with that And so it feels really odd that she would ever compare herself to him in terms of uh aura's experienced or Traumas controlled. It's uh, and that's I think that's the root of why everybody Fucking hates her is all these other elements, but that that one moment really sent it over the edge Exactly And yeah, it's uh, it's just something for the writers to remember a lot of people like bruce banner Um, I know it's it's unfortunate. Um, same goes by the way for same went for even strange Even sam wilson, you know, but And bucky barns, but oh well all of these lads getting torn right down All their respective new things Yeah Feels like all of the reactions saying she's so foolish to even think that that's a big issue Just feels like it's trivializing Stuff that a lot of women go through. Well, she was trivializing what he went through was the problem Yeah, uh, and I'm sorry You just think about how he he leveled like a city after being mind controlled and had to deal with the fallout from that That he went from being relatively like kind of like people like yeah hulk He's cool to being seen as a horrible monster Yeah, uh with that on his mind and having to control those feelings and stuff. It just You're not going to be bringing up stuff like that It would be like if a family member had a war story and they went through it in detail and then you were like Yeah, man. I I was walking home and I like slipped on a puddle Uh, I had it on my butt Had to go sit down for a while. It was a long like a whole day Yeah, okay. You know, you this time and a place is kind of what I'm getting at. You probably just They'll save that story for a different vibe But even though I kind of wish they hadn't added the like I do it more than you I understand why they did Because it has to lead into her saying I think you're projecting a lot of your They didn't have to do that. They didn't have to know And also like I just it's it's really you know that that line ruins it. You know it Yeah, like you feel compelled to defend it. So you have to Dance around it because that it She said it to perhaps the worst person like in the emcee that she could have possibly said that to across the entire multi-verse Anybody else would have been better and even Saying that like you're projecting there's nothing wrong with that him projecting on to her because like they're basically going through The similar experiences at least from his point of view, right? She's a hulk. He's a hulk And you know, there's nothing wrong with him just assuming and just you know being scared for her basically Yeah, like if they were because projecting implies that He's just putting his own shit on her when it absolutely is Inapplicable or whatever, but it absolutely is applicable Yeah, and even if he was absolutely wrong about everything he thinks she is going through it wouldn't matter. It's a good precaution Kind of how we deal with anything that's this serious in life in these institutions and be it medicine or military like uh You know when someone comes back from like a mission that's dangerous They'll just be it'd be like you don't know that they've got any kind of disease or radioactive Or you know, that's sort of when in movies when like a soldier travels to a different dimension Then comes back to put him in quarantine. It's like why you don't know that they've got some kind of horrible disease It's like yeah, I know but Don't be careful. Geez Bone problem me even though i'm a different person Because she is a different person and by saying that yeah, I've never been compelled by the whole i'm a different person Argument therefore you shouldn't be using any of your known understandings of how to deal with hulk on me I've always loved it weird Like I was in the whole point of like learning from people and like just learning in general Having to listen to someone different from us to get a different perspective Isn't that the whole fucking point? Yeah, I mean if someone is How many more similarities do we need you turn into a raging green monster like you're serious like yeah But i'm a different person you're like, ah Okay, yeah, I'll just leave like you don't need my help Which is so fucking annoying too because this is the angle. I think that they even missed out in the episode This is what bruce would have needed and he never got to have anybody to help him Anybody to guide him. She got like a full package and she was annoyed by it While he had to figure it all out on his own. Yeah with absolutely no point of reference. Yeah She's putting her foot down once more And just re-establishing the fact that she doesn't want the life that he has I've seen a lot of comments saying it's cringey and unnecessary for her to talk about it But she's literally using her experiences as evidence to say that's my secret bruce. I'm always angry I think it's just not what she said And uh, and it's not even true What experiences well cat calling and uh being murdered and almost or whatever she said they I I'm so confused by this as well because we keep treating the moment in avengers where he says I'm always angry as though it was like Just something anyone can say to prove that they They go through a lot. Therefore. They have complete control when like he'd been hulk for a while at that point Oh, sorry. He still didn't have complete control. Hope is still an ultimate owner that he had to account for Whenever he rages the fuck out or experiences a lot of damage the hulk will come out Like it's it's not fully controlled even if you thought you could argue so The reality is that's always going to be like a challenge that you need to overcome when you have a character Who doesn't have to deal with any of that versus a character who did There's always going to be a perception of unfairness stemming from that But how do you handle this the important part? I wanted chance to use hulk for about seven years before then I couldn't remember the timeline exactly but Holy shit like if if anything close to anything more than five years it means that That's how long he had You understand the hulk At the same time he had to walk on eggshells like his whole life Yeah, and then and then he gives you this like and even Comfortable cushy way of learning about all of this and in days. She's already like i'm bored. Let me go. It's like, uh I'm over it. Yeah What I mean gamma radiation whatever There's also so much room here too for bruce to like then go back look internally Figure things out just because one character. Yeah, you know who needs to learn from all of this It's bruce bruce is the one that's really fucked up and needs to understand better about the realities of the situation I'm assuming she's going to go into their fight by the way Which is even worse than the training because she manages to outplay him like several times at things that he said wait Like even a you know the stupid clapping thing like she beats him on that as well How Says that she thinks this is what's happening in episode one doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going to be the end all definitive reason Why she can control her hulk form later on it's like do you think they're ever going to address that again? Well, we're like midway through nine episodes and nothing It's all been fucking goofs gaffes and like Oh gosh, I gotta be the hulk again to take care of this situation. That's what it's been It hasn't been We've been learning more about why it is that she has such an understanding and balance and control over her hulk personas Like no You really this shows ever going to address anything serious ever It's a 30 minute episode in a nine episode series. It's obviously not going to include everything in episode one I did your I just I'm amused by the fact that she thinks in the next hour and a half that there was going to be anything That was like, yeah It was all goofy shit I hate to break into you Electrical behavior therapy. I can change back and forth and I'm happy to now get back to my life She literally acknowledges that bruce helped. She says I did what you wanted me to do That's not acknowledging. He helped That's saying I did yeah, I ticked you fucking boxes. I could do it all now leave me alone She's so generous with the With like the head canon of what's behind all these words I did your dbt. She listened to him. She worked together closely with him and now Yeah, now she's told him he's wrong and he needs to leave her alone so she can live her life That's what's happening right now and he's saying that's too dangerous And she's ignoring him because she's a bit selfish. She doesn't care that it could endanger people She wants to get on with her life for her reasons Now because of his help She's realized that she actually has the resources within I would love to if she was here right now I'd be like tell me what it is she learned from him. What was it that he did at one? What point that helped you learn a thing? What was it? If she already made fun of the whole mindfulness thing like Jen in universe You found his buzz saw thing to be completely useless. She beat him at every test he tried to put her through So what did she learn from bruce? And if you ask me, I'd say nothing to the point where she even states outright that she's gone through so much more than he has And she understands this pretty much better than he does Her to control her hulk form She just did it a little bit quicker than 15 years You could say that 50 minutes But bruce wants her to stay and I get it because the poor man's alone on a beach. That's not why Oh my god Poor man. He's so lonely. I might want you to think that that's the reason why but it shouldn't be Well, I mean this is the thing right if the writers were like, yeah, we wanted to write it So there's an implication that bruce is feeling alone like that's what the reference to tony stark is all about He's trying to say he likes company at the bar or something like that I find it hard to believe because he's got so many different people He can hang around with if he wants to like so the idea that he's like That doesn't really match up and then of course I've got plenty of references to assume He just wants to make sure she doesn't run amok by accident and end up in a position where she hates herself But not having taken more time to control That's that that's the re I thought that was like the underlying element of all of it Which is why it makes so much sense that he doesn't want her to go But then he just sort of gives up on it if you remember he's like you like fight her And then he'll just be like, okay fine. I respect it. Well, he'll fight her when she starts to fight. Yeah, right, of course Uh, I'm sure we'll be acknowledged and addressed I'm not you and I'm not going to become you. I don't need to join some secret government contractor squad and have my entire life taken away from me He's just bullying it is So like the avengers actually wasn't a government squad while hulk was in it. It was private So she's just yeah, uh, she worked more so for the government than he did She's a district attorney. So she works for the government That's what i'm saying. She she more so takes orders from the government than he does What is her observation of these guys saved your life like many times over? Very Heroes who saved who saved the literal universe Like half of it Maybe even you at the very least somebody that you care about bruce was single-handedly Single-handedly literally and figuratively responsible for restoring half of life in the universe when you have a So dismissive about the avengers organization, it's just there's implications of follow-up from that It's like wait, do you think the avengers are bad? Do you think they're bad interesting perspective to hold? Yeah, I don't know just like seems like there's something to address there jennifer Jennifer, I don't need to join some secret government contractor squad and have my They're also not secret. They're very public. I was gonna say they don't what is she even applying there Taken away from me clearly this is yeah, and saying that her life was taken away from it Uh, that's what that's what we really started to become a problem for me So I was like wait you believe that about him. Then why have you been talking to him like this? like Why is such an asshole to someone you think whose life was destroyed by all of this? This is what she's been afraid of this whole time. She wants to live her life on her own terms That's not a crime The reality is that she does have certain obligations now. She's powerful. I mean hell she did the speech, right? I wonder how relevant that will be Surely thematically in the way that it should be Like if you've got power you got some responsibilities that come with that power like not reluctantly say Like not actually refusing to save people's lives until your friend tells you to and then the first thing He says man my suit. I was gonna ruin my suit That life wasn't taken away really and bruce. I love you, buddy We could see you've worked through it in therapy We could see that you're content and at peace with yourself now But come on. You know it. We know it. She knows it. You've been through a lot of But there's no getting around it at this point There's no escaping that like you have to deal with this like you don't get to choose not to deal with it You just can't it's also not her place to tell him how he Conceptualizes his experiences at this point. She should know this you can't tell up here when he says to me to back to it My life wasn't taken away The obvious implication is that this is what he chose and he like he takes pride in the fact that he's chosen to help people That's really good that he's gotten to that to tell him He's like no, you didn't you this is this was this was done to you. It's just like you're not helping He does an asshole Both Thor and she Hulk of like shit on mindfulness. It's really odd. Yeah, I'm like, oh That's really stupid in here. Like he's just he's just talking a lot of pretty standard like mindfulness Which of course makes sense Like that would be probably the first thing that you would focus on if you were Hulk Just keep making fun of it. Why don't make it fun of his efforts to try like improve his life? It's just um It's bold enough of the Bold enough of the show to imply that he's deluded when he says My life wasn't ruined but I take particular issue with this analysis being like bruce is wrong His life was completely ruined and it wasn't his choice at all to do any of this The whole point of like web, I mean i'm not happy with what like bruce's arc We should have had a lot more stories with him. We missed a lot of great potential skipping professor hulk smart hulk Whatever that want to call it real that was man. That was like the biggest development He'd had like since avengers and they skipped it without uh removing any of the installments We have we can still ask the question of do you think he regrets snapping and damaging himself significantly to save five billion lives or however many Highly obviously there's half the universe or hell of a lot more than that. Yeah point being she's you know It's like your life was ruined the day you would have wanted any of this But he's probably sitting there thinking about how it's so nice He's got in his arm healed after the choice he made to save everyone's lives Wouldn't it be interesting if we got that his perspective is? Well, there was a meaning to it like it wasn't meaningless me becoming hulk. It wasn't because of what I mean It was kind of because they turned Thor into a loser But like at the very least he could he could perceive his life as having purpose And hulk having a purpose in that it allowed him to save the universe I mean he said it in the film that he thought it was his life was leading up to this Um, or like he was made for this Yeah, exactly that and I think funnily enough that actually follows at least a little bit on from because a lot of people Like wasn't he forced into the avengers and it's like well if you watch the film It seems to me that he's still technically volunteers He could have Yeah, not only that but he could have hulked out with when Natasha and just fucking jumped out of the village and jumped away Like they wouldn't have been able to catch him There was no stopping him. He chose to help. He didn't want to help us hulk But no, he definitely wanted to help because like that is who Bruce is He's he's a good man And then he did want to help us hulk when he when he hulks out in the city And then you have him he's he's a part of the team for age of ultron and then he uh leaves After all the things that happened in that film then you end up in ragnarok and when once he's back. He's still doing hero wick Yep So like I don't like the implication of like what you've only really done any of this because you were forced to it's like not true He could have We've seen what bruce bruce could have done a lot of things that he he didn't do He could have done a lot of different things in his life, but he chose to do this It's gotta be worth something and it is worth something, but it's I don't know. It's it's it's it is particularly Frustrating that the mcu's strength Like the strength of the premises leveraging stories that existed before to enhance your stories now And they just like persistently neglect to do that all they care about is using the characters But using them as they see fit like michael waldron wanting to have one to be the villain in his story because that was what he wanted Rather than meaningfully leveraging the history of that character to do something great with them And it's the same here. It's like did you guys even watch I would be genuinely Surprised of like any of the people who made the show would even watch the incredible hulk Even though a meal blonski is in it. I doubt they would be surprised You know it we know it she knows it you've been through a lot of trauma And even though you've accepted your situation now you can't deny that there's been a lot of struggle to get to this point Yeah, that wasn't even what point she was You're responding to him saying his life wasn't uh Yeah, his life wasn't taken away taken away. That's it. Yeah Like she said she didn't want to be an avenger Basically, and she says it later right like her friend in the bar in episode two says you can be an avenger And then she just shits Remember like it's for billionaires and narcissists. It's like the billionaire narcissists like save the universe He said multiple times Ultron was definitely a fuck up, but he saved the universe It just you you sit there and you think to yourself like do these writers actually wonder why she's so repulsive Do they actually wonder why like they just sit there having and make fun of all the people we like They're like, why won't you like her like you like them You can't deny that there's been a lot of funny and self-aware No Also, yeah That's what I was trying to say here saying like in response to my life wasn't taken away She said you have you can't deny you've had a lot of trauma It's like okay, so those two things aren't mutually exclusive. So I don't even know why you brought them up this point So you didn't wind up alone Hiding away on some remote beach with no friends No relationships never seeing your family and I fucking hate this little rant that she has but it's also not even true Uh, she because he we already we know because of the other fucking movies that he's hanging out With other people he talks to other people. Yeah He built this bar with tony tony helped him build this entire facility His friend tony and they're only here for this right because he was on a road trip with her Quoting quote. Why would he be on a road trip with someone when he doesn't spend any time with family? Dude in the endgame he's sitting in a fucking like basket robbers or something like a little like Like cafe just eaten. Yeah Like scrambled eggs. She's full of shit. This line doesn't even make sense with everything else we've seen But it's also just an asshole thing to say to him We and yelling at at him as well while saying it. It's like what what is your problem exactly? Definitely not dealing with a decade's worth of trauma Why would you want that for me bruce? And I fucking hate how she reframes it all the way back into by trying to keep me here You are putting trauma on me as opposed to I'm trying to fucking help you Yeah, so I mean like oh, they they very they did a really great job in creating a villain She knows that he's had a hard life. She doesn't want her life to be that hard Yeah, look at the way she's treating him. Yeah, what she should have said there is she knows He's had a hard life. She doesn't care. She wants to leave. Yes. Like yeah, I got A career that is more important to her than the preservation of life This is the thing man fundamentally right Even if you throw all of that out Seems like with everything that just got unloaded it's worth chatting with him for another 10 minutes before leaving Especially with everything you just said, you know, well, especially considering but no instead. She's going to run him down with His car his car And then punch him in the face Yeah, which that's the perfectly reasonable thing to do instead of saying hey Um, what I just said to you was actually pretty fucking personal and harsh and I'm sorry No, she only did that after she destroyed his bar that was made by his friend And when she apologizes she says however what I said was true right, yeah I was like you didn't need to say that but thanks My only mistake was being harsh. I was otherwise very accurate. Exactly. This is episode one. It continues Yes, unfortunately. I think this part in particular is so clear that she's acknowledging that he's been through a lot more than her To me this Announcing it just so you can throw it in someone's face. I'm not acknowledging She's basically using that against him Yeah, just get out of this information. She's had it Uh, I would say she's had a cake in it at it too. She's practically said I don't want to live the life You've lived which is constant trauma while earlier having said I've dealt with infinitely more than you Best of both worlds exactly described the entire character as well She she gets all of the benefits of hulk with none of the trade-offs Yeah, I'm better than you for having dealt with more But I also don't want you to ruin me by making me deal with what you've dealt with She says both of these things Like what is traumatic about learning how to control your powers the trauma came from like the shitty aspects of being hulk All he's trying to do is teach her how to control her powers to protect herself and the people she cares about It doesn't even make any sense. His trauma stemmed from like being a rage monster that killed people And losing his life like actually losing his life having to go on the run forever She doesn't have to do that and she and all it takes is what like another month Maybe of just staying there and learning more about her powers Yeah, they would have I would have done wonders for her characterization if uh if she had hulked out here and then He like like she recognizes that he recognizes that and they take some time to work And you know what we could even not show it and we show it later Maybe because we go back to the present And we're showing more shit for you know Normal life and then and then we come back in a past episode again to see how did she crack it How did she get over that that hill? What did she learn? Maybe from bruce but also from his cell But nope. Nope. She just had it all Had it all man He had it all and she didn't blow it When when she says that like She's not fully developed yet, right? But the thing is the script is not treating her as undeveloped character She's like This the script puts her in the context where yeah, she's right And she's she knows she's aware and hulk is aware and it's just It's just so obvious and now that we have the rest of the episodes. It's so clear That yeah, she's just the way she is And there's not going to be any development Development yeah people Yeah, um and I think that there's even an angle of subversion that they're going for because even through the pov of hulk being like Wait, you've nailed all of this already like yep Yep, yep, yep as craigle would say Yeah, and you just get a little bit like I didn't think that and it's like Yeah, I know you didn't think that because this story isn't about that this story is about me realizing That yeah, I can't just keep she hulk in my pocket I might have to pull it out more than I wanted to because different things in life demand it And you know what she ain't that bad. That's what that's what gen will learn that she hulk is kind of neat Okay Reads that she knows what he's been through She knows that it is devastating hard stuff and that she specifically doesn't want that life for herself She seems quite content and eager to go back to the life of catcalling and mansplaining to avoid the trauma That bruce has accumulated she She described that as infinitely more traumatic than anything he's experienced. What do you mean? Because it is the line that that is the problem like that line ruins it Yeah, she can't get away with this She can't pretend like it's not there Yes, you would say yes She is literally in agreement With all of you saying her life is not as hard as bruce's you can say that but she said something else love So i'm gonna take her word for it instead of yours Like oh, this is some cope. I'm just saying, you know Trust me. I'm in her head. I know what she's thinking. You're like, all right That's the point that's why she keeps saying she doesn't want to be a superhero She has a life that she is used to she is content with and that is relatively non traumatic for her This is something that needs to be because it seems to be like something that ends up confusing the discussion when bruce says You're like a superhero now He doesn't mean you got the cape and you got the costume and you go out at night and like What he means is that you now have the capacity to help people in a way that is Pretty much unparalleled by like a regular person. That's what he's saying and that is undeniable and inescapable That is just the case. Yeah Writers writers not knowing how to you know use another word for superhero I think so as well because they should have used a different word um Because it just seems to be like a source of consistent confusion Compared to everything that bruce has been through as an avenger and even before he was an avenger as a hulk Yeah, so Yeah, she skipped on her running over him and punching him. I can't imagine why This is literally every comment section People yeah, that doesn't fucking answer shit and this is literally the answer. No Here's some chemotherapy for cancer and it's like I'm a different human. Why would you give me chemo? Like it's like it's I I think By her metric the civil rights movement should never even happen because we're all just different people Why the fuck would we listen to each other and like it's pointless pointless, right? God like the one person you should listen to is probably bruce fucking batter just saying As if this is news to him by the way that they're different people like oh, yes That's gonna change my mind on exactly how we should be trying to deal with it All he wants to do is test her He's even pulled parts of the booklet out with it. He's agreed with you are now superfluous because you don't need them Only this is what I mean. They was they were they were steps away from just having it be normal where Yeah, she just doesn't nail everything He does a couple of tests puts her under loads of stress and we just see that she's gradually getting better and better At being able to control it fully And he even does surprise ones on it like the horn or whatever else and she actually manages to maintain a gen form And then he's like holy shit I honestly I think you might I think you might be ready to you know Take on just normal life or something like that He had classic lock, but no we didn't we couldn't do that. She had to tell him that his fucking little system is crap She's beat it all and he needs to go away This sums it up They're different people with different life experiences different life backstories And different ways of tackling Their role in the world and I still maintain that she did listen to him the fact That a punch to the face was very You can tell her ears were open Let's say like you gotta be several levels layers of desperate to be like she's listening into cut with punch to the face She's listening into cut with jeep grabbing him into a wall Also, I guess we haven't yeah the fact that Bruce got run down with a car when he single-handedly stopped like a Chitauri whale eel thing. Yeah with like a punch man. What happened to you buddy? Been defanged. He's been the Hulk is no longer Even though I think when they need to he'll pull out a great feat of strength in a future ever thing. Yeah Like that she now knows what her triggers are how to control them and like is not necessarily This is the thing. She didn't really test this stuff. She did it once for each of them and then she was like, well, I'm good It's like no no no no no wait Like that just before she leaves in the jeep that was the first time she had shown Bruce that she can turn she-hulk on and off at will they didn't test it any further than that No, uh, well except yeah, that's right. Actually. Yeah, because even he says like this is brand new territory Then she's like, oh well. Bye then In there for like two days tops, which does not rule out The stress and anger would still set it off which by the way, I'm pretty sure that is something that sets it off still well What what is it? Um, we still don't know like if if the the absence of an alternate personality What if that's just like a weird flute? Yeah, it's not long enough. It just isn't Well, so this is the thing that Bruce should have said to her It's like I understand that you're very confident right now and you feel like you've nailed it But I watched you Nearly kill three guys because they said you were pretty Okay, you do not have this under control And I could see you being very upset about that But you need to prove that you managed to be able to survive a situation like that without killing people All right, that's gonna be step one. Maybe even step zero. I don't know. Let's get that one out of the way When she got ambushed in the alley in episode three that didn't automatically trigger a transformation She had to like consciously do it. That's the level of control. She has What if she gets grabbed from behind by some guy like that isn't startling enough to Okay Even that just seems like an error. Well, do you remember freaking she forgets she's she hulk He's like, oh, no, and then she goes, oh wait, I can just and it's like Funny Full to turn into she hulk at whim whenever she wants to is proof that she and bruce succeeded Do you know? I'm literally the only What? I mean, they didn't Just skipped over it. Yeah She's actually skipping over their entire battle I guess I Gosh, bro, that understands that you're going through Call me anytime. Thank you. She is appreciative of his help. No, she's only doing this Once he says you're allowed to leave that's when she's like, oh, thank you so much. This was all so great Yeah, great great great great great. Can I go now? It's the thing that we all do when we're in a place We don't want to be in the second. There's a door open. We're like, oh, this was wonderful I enjoyed being here I'm going to leave now Thanks for everything with a hug. They're fine What? Like look look my husband beat the fuck out of me, but he hugged me afterwards. We're fine. We're fine Don't call the police Yeah, that's that's some fucking crazy That's what happened Where is where where is the yeah, this is the park because I've got the episode up the Yeah, she even she even calls his uh, his mindfulness bullshit before punching him in the face too. That's uh Yeah Boom, they're fine. Don't worry about it. They fucking crashed through this whole place destroy his bar Look everybody. Look how fine they are. It's just stupid Yep And also she skipped over the arc but very true things as well. Yeah They're fine Their relationship is fine, and I'm sorry that I said a bunch of harsh, but very true things. Oh, there you go I'm sorry. I hurt your feelings, but your life has been traumatic as heck. That's not what he This head count is uh Oh And I would like to come back to my less dramatic one as a lawyer The one she says she suffered infinitely more than him It doesn't seem to light up that one line's really getting stuck in your analysis It's just this little twig and all your gears that jams it Thanks, and you're forgetting the rest of her line. The full context is basically I was right and bruce was wrong and I never have to be a hulk aka again She just doesn't want to be a superhero. She thinks she can live her life Without acknowledging the fact that she now has hulk abilities that are clearly going to change her life bruce Yeah, and that's the only thing that she's going to be wrong on everything else. She was correct Yes, that that's what she'll be wrong exactly the saddest part of all of this Is that she is wrong quote unquote, but only once her friend compels her to save lives Disappointing Bruce told her it would impact her life. She was saying you're wrong. It won't I've got this under control This is also situational irony as in the next scene We clearly see her having to turn into she-hulk and save the day See so bad it's so small so quick, but if friends like come on do your thing save the day that she's like Right now It's like, you know that that would be pertinent Oh, not cool, especially for a lawyer who like understands a lot of this situation better than Many average people average citizens. Well, she seems to be presented as like a good conscience You know like diligent lawyer who has a moral compass that is well developed. Yeah Um, yeah, look at how she hesitates to help Yeah, she's good at playing a victim not saving them She can play one she can't save them. Hey, it's perfect for her though Because she has to sacrifice literally fucking nothing at this point to do this Well, except she does lose her job even though Can you imagine? Hey, I the elected because da's are elected in America, right? Like Oh, hey, I fired the woman who like saved an entire courtroom like a whole jury. Yeah, I was gonna say I would stand by the whole I've got to be fantastic, buddy. Like holy shit She definitely sacrificed nothing other than maybe her outfit because that was never supposed to be a reasonable outcome from what she does Like losing the job was insane But it was only because we had to get her into a different plot line So well because she it was declared a mist trial while she wasn't present at the case that she was involved in Like what the hell is that? Was declared a miss. No, I thought the idea was that This was declared a mist trial and they blame the fact that she did a she-hulky stuff as opposed to titanium I'm just saying through what I'm saying is that she like she would she had to be told she wasn't even there Right, you know like Yeah huh Come on civic duty Am I gonna look ugly in front of these people? Am I gonna look quick? I don't want to look bad. You're so likeable. You're likeable I don't want this to happen. I've got this under control. Yeah, it's happening We know we the audience know that it's gonna happen. There's nine episodes. There's no way She could just you know hide the fact that she's the Hulk But it's a comedy They're putting in situational irony and we know she's gonna grow as a character and have to accept that You got lost on that last bit grow as a character. I wouldn't I wouldn't rely on that happening Well irony and we know she's gonna grow as a character and have to accept that part of herself It's also kind of funny because cocksure and undecable is a Two words that I would maybe describe the beginning Of a certain fan favorite character that I'm not going to name You don't want to start? Like again, I think people forget Just how fucking likable he is in the opening of Iron Man. They don't make him just an asshole. That's not that's like a myth at this point It's um something that has felt like solely missing You know how like it's simple things like like in a in a story where there's like collateral damage where like civilians get hurt And you just get the reaction shot of the hero like upset about that It's like one of those small things that just says something about a character That is feels like it's really absent a lot nowadays Like the one or two seconds of direct acknowledgement of like what's happening Um and like we definitely don't have that in this scene at all Right, like we don't we don't really care that like other people are in danger It's kind of like just a thing that's that's in the way of our action scene of two people fighting each other Regardless of the people who are around and wasn't there like in in um because in Iron Man wasn't like Tony Like in part kind of in his own way trying to be like involved in the situation of helping the soldiers or my misremembering Uh, what do you mean when you say involved? like um Oh damn, I can't remember like was it wow? I mean, I guess the simple fact that he was like upset when they were getting harmed You know that helps like it wasn't you know like it was it was clearly He wasn't indifferent to what was happening around him. Yeah, like what we're supposed to believe is he was making those weapons and then passing them off The governments or highest bidders without really thinking about it much more than that Yeah, like it was always going to be uh against his values the second he saw What damage was being done with them basically? Yeah, and that's that's and then and then the arc is about you know I guess in part realizing he has to be a lot more proactive Starting down the weapons manufacturing um Creating the Iron Man suit going um Going over uh to help the civilians Yeah, I mean what how they introduced Tony in that movie. I think it's one of the best Like introductory sort of sequences ever Because there's just so much humanity in it. There's just so much humanity There's a movie watcher You're just like taken aback by this sort of billionaire person who has this very human moment When he realizes what his actions exactly like conclude in And it's just such a such a blast to watch that movie and see him go through all that And you know just comparing that to this It's just it's It's not even close. It's not been oh, yeah the same I mean Iron Man was practically a masterclass of like setting a character at this point especially compared to facebook I was just thinking about They give you the expositional intro of the he's getting his award or whatever So they give you like a rundown of his history as though it would be written in a wikipedia And then you get like the the stuff with the Jericho missile So like which just makes him look like a god everyone loves that image And then of course, uh, you have all these like the weapons that have been shipped there But you've also got he's on he's got like a martini case that's like frozen or icing them Basically that he kind of doesn't go anywhere without like a source of alcohol and drinks and stuff um, he has like banter with I think oba dyer and rody And then and then he sits in the In the truck with the the the soldiers And he has banter with them and they're all trying to get photos with him and stuff Because he's super famous and charismatic. This is what I mean like people remembering him as he was an asshole It's like I don't I don't think you remember the film very well Like it it's a little bit more complicated than he was an asshole Yeah, there's dimensions of asshole, you know Yeah He is only going to do the right thing when he realizes the damage that he was causing indirectly And you get uh him getting locked up with the ensign is like a person Who uh can personify quite a bit a lot of the criticisms of tony stark like uh, yeah Helps as well. And then of course it all crystallizes with yin sin dying and almost making like a contract with tony that ends with end game Pretty much. Yeah Such a great character. It did the same thing with urskine and um and cap same thing Except I think they fucked that up by the end of cap sark Uh, well, yeah when he abandoned his responsibility It's just gonna age well, it's aged poorly already. Look at how many world-ending threats that cap could have helped with Yep Like yeah, maybe he wouldn't have done much good with wonder, but like he knew wonder. He was friends with wonder Maybe he was the person who could have uh, like Calmed her down I'm sure he could have helped in some capacity Well, I guess maybe he wouldn't have been able to help in shangchi Like he wouldn't have been aware of any of that But hey any future stuff stemming from that part of the world He could help he definitely could have helped in captain america not captain america falcon of a winter soldier um Definitely could have helped with that And to see people straight up calling it feminist propaganda is so funny to me You mean it's a show I think she's doing it on paper Yeah, sure like is that does any accent say propaganda? Is that like something what is that like a partial british way of saying propaganda? Don't think anyone in britain's browser is like that, but hey, maybe we're wrong Doesn't sound right By women Featuring some things that some women might find relatable. Also, can we break this man? What a what a great achievement some women might find it relatable That's very small a very small entitled subset Hey, we got some content for everybody. Okay It's down first They're actually boys character growth considering the fact that she went from not being able to control her hulk form Or when she turned to be able to control That's not yeah, that's not character growth at all. There was nothing in that had anything to do with the character It was do you remember? I don't know if you guys remember because I watched it just for the stream She when she hulks out in the um In the in the in the machine with the bustles and he's like, oh wow your gen I think she says like oh first time I blacked out, but this time i'm fine. Huh It's just like oh, okay Yeah, and then and then and then we see her in the little scene before she leaves or she just goes Up into hulk back down into gen done done done. What does this have to do with character? There was nothing When she it's just like captain marvel. It's just like america chavez They just get given an additional power after enough time has passed and it's usually a pretty small amount of time Turns at whim Thanks to bruce's help and guidance. I would love for you to tell me what it was about bruce's guidance that did it Yeah, she just she she got it. She nailed it like straight away She dismisses the binder. She outgrows the binder Okay, she outgrows the binder like the first time she even has to I'm not even convinced. She read a word in that fucking thing. Oh, no, probably not And a training montage and even if there wasn't growth it's episode one of a nine episodes You can't have both these arguments pick one Both of them Is not supposed to be growth in episode one but also there is growth so shut up Series i'm sure it would happen at some point. I also disagree with the fact that every dude in the show Was written as a jerk or a simpleton They are well Who even who are our characters representably be hulk and annoying asshole lawyer man Right who yeah, I guess pug right later on well if we're only going from episode one though, right? All right, so she wouldn't have known who pug was yet. Yes. We just got those two. I'm trying to think of this as anybody else Right the guys at chenilly. Oh, yeah, the the rapey guys the evil evil evil pretty calling her She's gonna she's gonna get to that. She's gonna detail. She's gonna do like a bad guy and a good guy ratio So that's okay. Well, yeah, we'll see let's see what she has Bruce's entire existence disproves that he was not but Bruce was an idiot throughout a lot of this He tried to kill her um, and he's out of character almost entirely. Um, yes Yeah, he's I don't know what about Like what makes you think he's the one that we'd be like, ah, yes He's an admirable character in this he does a great job when she herself has admitted that he tried to kill her Not written like that at all. Actually, I think he was written as a really emotionally intelligent emotionally I can't I don't know Emotionally intelligent even after he kicked her he knocked her ass up a cliff That's emotional intelligence right there tried to kill her with buzz saws. What are you talking about? Intuned guy who has done a lot of internal work and healing Oh my god Healing his journey Yeah, I personally think this episode wrote him as brilliant both Brilliant No, I got nothing for that brilliant. Okay in terms of physical intelligence and emotional physical intelligence What does that mean? It Like like muscle intelligence Like he knew to knock that bitch off a cliff because she was a bitch I don't yeah, that's that was that was I guess that was physically intelligent Yeah, it looks like chat a baffle too. That's not weird, right? I don't I think that's the first time in my life I've ever heard someone say physical intelligence. I don't think I've ever heard that before Physically intelligent. What does that mean? Like I think she just wanted to provide the opposite of emotional intelligence must be physical intelligence When I thought the like the other emotional intelligence is just like the intelligence IQ like I thought that those were the two Yeah, I'm I'm lost on that one. I'll allow it. I guess Well intelligent I'm genuinely getting more and more convinced that some of the people complaining Didn't even watch the episode so she's conscious and in control of her whole complaint But she's ready to murder three guys for talking to her. Let's break that scene down Oh golly. All right. Well the claim I would make is they were A little just a they were they were a little pushy and they said she was pretty they absolutely did not earn being You should yell that all punched. Okay But like I'm sorry if you're if you're a lady hanging out in a bar late at night Uh, and and you're like Fucking terrified by the fact that some guys will try and uh chat you up in some way shape or form I mean, I they they're probably gonna feel confused. You're gonna be like, oh You you probably came to the bar Not Interacted anybody. I guess that's okay fine. My mistake She sees them coming out of the door. She steps down from the platform and turns her back to avoid them That is not a woman looking for a fight or for violence What I'm sorry, what? Wait, that's the big they haven't approached her yet. Why the fuck we're not talking about like we don't we know She's not looking for someone to kill. We know that All right, we know not even the commenter was arguing that she wants to attack that that's her goal tonight or something That the I'm coming out for blood tonight. Yeah, like who the fuck was arguing that she just wants to kill people. What no, no I'm aware of necklace of severed dicks Predator There we go She gives the most non-committal answer ever. What's up? How you doing fine? Thank you and looks away again Very disengaged. What's your name? Congratulations. I love the creepy guy This is serial killer eye This is a bit of a non sequitur, but uh, you might like this more apparently Well, maybe you won't like this part. EA is working on an iron man game Oh, well, we'll see Um, I think there's also uh, Amy Henning's new studio is working on a Captain America and Black Panther like action adventures set in world war two Yeah, it's all the trailer for that. That's all we that's all we know though. Like, um Yeah, and I guess no updates on like spider-man 2 or wolverine either And I guess I I guess avengers the square dicks avengers game. That's just uh over Well, maybe they learned lessons from that. Who knows? Well, they didn't because they so A different company, you know, but hey, maybe that means Deus Ex will return once more and wouldn't that be nice? I guess I would be now Very disengaged. What's your name? Congratulations to this actor because honestly the stare he gives That is scary. That is bone chilling Oh bone chilling we used to In-house meme right there bone Goes back a long that's like a hundred episodes ago. Um, but yeah, she had to be careful there. She almost just said that actor looks ugly You can't do that innately skeletorish She gives the I think my boyfriend's here which is in case you didn't know Just about the number one signal for please do not talk to me I don't want to be in this conversation right now. And I think you'll respect She trying to build up to how it was reasonable for her to try and kill them because I don't think she's gonna get there Another man More than you'll respect you don't even know that they heard her say that she says it like under a breath I remember the scene. She's like, oh, oh, I think my boyfriend's over there You know and the three of them are different distances, you know And they're three guys who are looking to hang out with a lady So, you know, uh, I just I just don't think we've earned the murder yet To me clearly saying no and walking away at this point. They follow her into the parking lot. Whoa He took like three steps forward Exactly ladies right there in front of the front fucking door. This is what we call mood revives like We've all seen it before Her breathing rate picks up. She is her breathing rate picks up. What are you what are you suggesting? Like oh, they should have picked that up. They should they should have known mood It was on the way when they saw that Service to me This does not even read as a woman who's angry. This read is definitely an angry face That's an angry face. Well, look at that. I put it. I put it right in chat Like look that's an angry face right there. We're about to get the assuming she shows it. She loses it. She yeah Hey chat. Do you think that's an angry or scared face? She's talking about her face beforehand. No, I know but like this is this is reflective of her emotional state. Is it not? Oh, well, yeah It looks pretty angry to me. I don't know. I'm just saying Looks out and then immediately gets tackled to the ground by bruce. Thank fuck. He saved their lives So you can rest assured The man got home safely Oh, and she said that condescendingly like we shouldn't care about them But because they said you're pretty and walk toward her that they deserve death Yeah, I mean it would be kind of awkward to start a superhero show or the female protagonist Brutally murders and dismembers several men, but you know, whatever this attitude though like, uh, don't worry I'm sure they're fine. It's like oh Yeah, okay A little scared But safe. You don't know that. What if they have in-depth trauma now? What if they'll never speak to a woman again? Because they're so terrified of what can happen We don't we don't care about them though, right? Right? We don't Okay, just Maybe in the future they'll reconsider following women down into dark parking lots Dark parking lot right in front of the bar You know, she wanted to say ali, but she couldn't I guess I'll say parking lot fuck Dark parking lots my ass But everything in her body language and her speech was a woman trying to avoid a situation with them And bruce yeah, and you're right and it was their mistake to have said she's pretty they shouldn't have done that It's costing them their lives I agree with this analysis. It's very very good Specifically says that fear is a trigger to me. This scene doesn't even read necessarily like anger was the trigger Like she got mad at them to me this 100% reads as like she was truly afraid And so when she angrily yelled at them that was her fear Okay And by the way, that just highlights how much she still had to control then and What I also she's like also she's making the implication that because like afraid people don't kill people Like a like a scared person isn't gonna like have a knee jerk response Uh in violence like that Which again is reason enough this fucking chill out about this and figure it out instead of just running off and being like No, I got full control. It's like so what if someone cat calls you are you gonna kill them? And her whole form was like Hey, I'm here to protect you. That's what it reads like to me not that it matters which trigger it was because the point still stands What not that it matches Wait, did you catch that like she's implying that like the hulk version of her was purposely protecting her from the evil men I thought they were the same. I thought there was no difference between them But oh well throw that out too It's Trying to disengage and not have an interaction with them. She was not as you seem to think Thinking oh, yeah, I have these new powers. I'm gonna murder men. Why is everyone you don't like british I'm going to murder men. It's like the character isn't british. You aren't how do you know this commenter is? Why'd you assume that's so weird? No, that's literally not what happened. I do not thank you watch the episode I did if people are villainizing her for this scene that is a mad stretch Especially considering the fact that she didn't yet know the triggers for the hulk form because she doesn't find that out till another scene Later on in the episode. It wouldn't matter. She knew what the triggers were They would still be applicable after knowing and they don't even sort that out really they just sort of She's like no, I got it. Don't worry about it She got back And she hadn't gone through the training montage yet to the point where she could then learn that she could The training training montage where she just dominates first try at everything Is that really a training montage or more of a display montage where she's just awesome? Raining montage troll the hulk and like this Do you want her to break the fourth wall every time she's complaining and then just be like Hey Not all men though Well, so you're responding to the point that all of the main male characters that take up screen time are either dumb or like horrible And now her counter is well, do you want it to be that they highlight that not all men are horrible? It's like, okay, so are you agreeing with the initial point then? That's that's all that was stated Nobody's asking for a fourth wall break where she explains that not all every man of bad people or anything It's just that it would be nice to have Male characters that aren't retarded. That's all And then wink Actually now that I've said that that is really funny quick pause when I filmed this episode two hadn't aired yet But now it has and I'm still seeing comments saying the show depicts all men poorly So let's break this character roster down real fast. On the left we have we don't seem that great of guys I'm gonna put the dudes from the bar here and her ex co-worker whose last name is apparently bukkowski That's hilarious on the right side. We're gonna put literally every other normal dude Including bruce her dad her cousin ched pug. No no We've been over bruce uh Her dad her family members are all sort of portrayed as kind of being like Unaware of how everything works and uh Dismissive of her life I think the dad is probably the one that comes the closest to seeming like he actually cares about it Um, yeah, but I think I would give it for that but the funny thing is this these comments um Like if you could find and then yeah, the lost guy is more of a doofy like person as well, but um, do you remember him from scary movie? A deep cut reference doofy. Do you remember doofy? Doofy that is that was doofy. No. No, I'm saying he's like that Oh, shit I must say he is doofy doofy's probably pretty old by now I mean fruit basket guy He's like creepy like the first the first thing he says to him when he like he meets she hulk and her friend is like He's the best bathroom for pooping. I thought that was a very creepy. He said very creepily and I'm like, you know what? I don't fuck with you You you come off weird the the chat guy if that's his name the the show is definitely making fun of him Uh So like what have we split here? Is it morally good? This is morally bad. Is that what we're doing? Because um, well Because the criticism was the they're either immoral or they're stupid right and and like I'm pretty sure all six of these guys still qualify for one of those two Yeah, definitely hulk and uh do the fucking hair. The dad is probably the one that comes out the the best out of this six Yeah But going from just episode one you got nothing The two prison guards the two guys prison guards They're basically extras. Yeah, they're not even characters Wow, we're uh, we're digging We're just scraping the barrel under she hulk on the news and probably her two bosses even though one no way No fucking way one of them fires her for saving lives and the other one hires her just to use her for the way She looks which is not something we consider like a great move And then there's that line where he says can you send call in? Uh, is it to minnesota or massachusetts? I mean he says because he doesn't like the cold Like they literally portray. He's just an asshole. That's that's that's who I was disappointed with that Her boss is just a bad person. It's he's a cartoon villain person He's gonna get his comeuppance by the end of the season. I'm sure of it One fired her still seem decent. Hell even blond ski seems fine so far to me Fuck it out. She's He's running Hey abomination is kind of a cool guy. I don't know He shot a dog, but like he's fun God I'm impressed I've been written like decent people and judging just by the comments on my commentary video for episode one alone I know there are guys who enjoyed this episode. They didn't feel called out by the fact that she What what in the world who cares the arguments are what we care about right? Not how many men liked it What does that have to do with anything? I just don't prioritize thing They're prioritizing a male's opinion like it's supposed to be the opinion. Oh over here She mentions the catcaller stalkers mansplainers exist quite possibly because they okay, I'll I'll accept catcalling. That's fine mansplaining is not a thing. That's Explaining and anyone can do it condescendingly mansplaining is not a thing. That's you made that up And the thing is I hate in the first episode she makes this big thing out of like people at work like mansplain things to me and then Every time we see almost every time we see at a workplace or something She's either twerking or just you know just breaking rules and stuff. She's just There there are so many moments where she's as Is so incompetent. Yeah, they're just like of course people are gonna treat you terribly I can I can't help but think of that scene You know the Megan the stallion scene and the guy who walks down and just stares Of course, he's kind of think They were an unprofessional incompetent person And if you was to try and explain why that would be mad I'll have that Remember when one of the male characters refers to a woman as it That was embarrassing because that's what sex is amiss. What kind of dialogue is that? embarrassing That's a real thing that happens friend. You'd know if you had any male friends who were sexism They always do that with wet I'm gonna go and hang out with it's over there all of those Like impossible for them to portray very real subtle sexism. They have to have them be like an absolute caricature Yeah, it's like uh, it's one step away from being like, um a sexist in Like a cartoon show like rick and morty or even family guy where you just have them go like I'm gonna go and uh, you know, because It was a joke in community you remember when uh, when jeff was trying to get better at meow meow beads He's hanging out with a bunch of jocks. He's like girls are objects. Yeah. Yeah. Are they all just cheer? Yeah This is the fucking parody version like you're not supposed to do that for real They know that they're not one to say like marvel is supposed to be for everyone Aka you don't think that men would watch this episode just because she mentions That there are some One of the comments I guess I don't know Like people said that the show was not made for men. Is that like the I mean, I yeah, like I guess I'm not is that something that people have said like that that um Like the show not being K I don't I don't why we why is this even like a topic of discussion? Why can't we just talk about the merits of the story as it's own thing a great fucking question for you The target audience was Well, as she pointed out some men like it. So fuck you I wouldn't describe I would describe them as men honestly Maybe they're aliens I really like the joke, you know, maybe they really like the jokes in the comedy show See when a car rides I like I love the comedy of the show. You just be like come on. Come on now Can you relay to me one joke In the same way that one could relay the many one the scene where they twerked that was really good joke I mean The scene where the drunk lady called him wangers. Oh gosh, that was so good If time she did that I was laughing so hard Yeah That exist kind of a weird take in my opinion Also, are you aware that we just spent the last 10 years watching a trio of super powered white men lead? Oh, oh, yeah, just a trio just like three dudes basically You what you saw Avengers yesterday, bitch This entire franchise Why would I debuted before thord captain america in the mcu now to be fair? She debuted as like a real character after them, but you know, I don't even know The ones you're talking like those three white males would have had a A chance in hell at even supporting the ones that are coming now If not for the fact that they had to work really hard to earn those fucking roles Well, I mean Yeah, cuz at this point now like the the mcu coast buy on name recognition Like all of the stuff they make now seems to make more money than a lot of the films in phase one did So like even captain america who by then was like pretty well known, I would say not as well known as like spider-man or batman But relatively well known. That was still kind of an uphill battle for those characters superhero films kind of had to earn a legitimacy um That they weren't afforded because of the genre that they were a shot in endgame of the three of them walking towards Thanos like why aren't why isn't hulk there? It's like because we recognize on a meta level that those are the three that built the mcu Yeah, and every other hero every other hero is a result of them like they wouldn't in the mcu They wouldn't have had the ant-man captain marvel dr. Strange. They all like Spawned off of the the pillars that those guys erected because they were I mean again, what what is the point does she think that there's like a general I Maybe there is like a resistance to female superheroes, which would be bizarre like it's just like a base thing You can see that What exactly like the problem is um that you look at the mcu It's like there were female heroes like persistently It did take a while before there was like a solo female-led superhero film to be sure But yeah wonder woman came out 2017 So that was five years ago and that's ignoring I guess if you want to count batwoman and uh, not batwoman Catwoman and uh and uh a lecturer if you want to count those and I'm just gonna call I think it was a misread I think it was a misunderstanding if they had done a black widow movie in phase two I think it would have made the money back Uh, I think so too. If you put Hawkeye in it and it's a like prequel present film Exactly like the people who are responsible for the lack of female superheroes in the mcu are the people You're currently praising for the female characters now in the mcu Yep, they had no confidence in putting a woman as the main and then like wonder woman came out and they got fucking humiliated Marvel were like what the fuck that works and then DC were like It's um Yeah, exactly like it's And now what what is it? It's like it's kind of like these heroes now get inserted in Into like a really lame phase of the mcu and are not being leveraged Like their their full potential is not being seized Yeah, just this disdain toward the the three white males. It's about time. We have something It's just like you're fine. The phase four has filled you up with with all kinds of other things. Okay, you'll be you'll be fine Let's let's all hate the fact that we've had enough white men And she was a green woman. She was the first green woman. She paved the way She she walked so that she halt could run Gamora did she had character flaws so that she didn't have to That's right. She died so that she halt could live and then she was brought back anyway, and hopefully james gun doesn't mess it up The mcu and the rest of us just had to see ourselves represented through them anyways But white You should be able to see yourself in characters I'm not blind But I made this point about like all the white people the lord the rings or whatever and I'm just like Oh, yeah, man I associate it is so hard with gandalf because I too have a fucking thousand-year-old magic casting dude like what? It's just because he's white just like that's not how that works. It's the characters. God damn it Because we're all people We're all people. I mean Oh, yeah, it's gandalf the white not gandalf the Caucasian Hey, look lord the rings is problematic. He became more powerful when he was white. What's that about? Can't be out of this terrible, but uh, yeah, I don't know this this is the strong going Discussion that for some reason keeps getting brought up that like, you know this poor lady here She couldn't relate to the the trio of white men leading the mcu. So finally we have women. It's like, what are you talking about? Funny thing is I really liked black widow up until her movie I liked black widow. I mean, I still like her all the way up until endgame. I liked mora. I like nebula Like scarlet witch up until her movie I like scarlet witch for a while there. She was she was on a good trajectory And I'm saying like black widow gets a huge focus and so does wonder in in their respective things be a tv show movie And both of those things are like the worst outing for both of them It's really it is so sad to think that black widow they like now the landing and then post-hoc They kicked out like her legs. They kicked her in the back of the knee Crumpled it to her to her knees and yeah One pistol shot back of the head done I think we've covered the first point of this comment, but it's actually the third paragraph I want to talk about because in the most respectful way possible Wait, let's have a look at what it says He states that women exist in a state of fear and rage. That's actually more true of men Women tend to access their emotions more readily than men. They cry. They share their feelings They shriek with glee Men are taught from chill childhood to suppress their emotions to be stoic The emotional is unmanly acceptable male emotions are violence and rage as a display of strength One of the most common difficulties men have in relationship is their partners Is that their partners complain that men don't express their feelings and thoughts men are fearful that such honest expression will negate their image They've been taught to protect being a pillar of strength women have a healthier emotional life because they access their feelings and have experiences Experience integrating them into their daily existence in a more balanced way women may feel rage and fear But they don't have a monopoly on it Holy shit, that was really interesting comment. I I like it. I agree with it. She's gonna hate it So much and I completely agree with it Actually as a woman I do Well, uh, it's a it's a really interesting commentary on our society because it's Men are seen as weaker if they're more emotional Vulnerable very terrible Yes, the whole is the completely agree with this point Well, i'm curious how she's gonna react to it Let's see Point of this comment But it's actually the third paragraph I want to talk about because in the most respectful way possible I think you're missing her point and she didn't say women have a monopoly on rage and fear She said those are the baseline of any woman's existence If I implying not the baseline of existence for men meaning women have a monopoly on it Yeah, like there's no getting around that if you specify one group of people have x traits You were implying that the other group doesn't have them because then you would say those are the baseline of a human being existing That's what you would say. There's no getting around that. That's what she said So, I mean she's I think there's a couple of things wrong with this video But one of the big things is that what like getting it her way at every turn like it just keeps Well, I was gonna say what light is just a couple of them. I guess it's true, right? Is that one in the infinitely more than you do which that was the big mistake? just like This is this is kind of what e-fabs all about we want we want to accept that there are references in there that you cannot omit um If it means like you want to have your perspective perception on the analysis Even if it's um in line with what the creator intended Unfortunately, there are references that get in the way and it's like well, then that analysis is incomplete, isn't it? Can't just can't just say like oh well it's Just ignore that bit especially when she's acknowledged that that's the main thing everyone's focusing on It's like, yeah What good is your story if you have to ignore like significant portions of your uh of the subjects in order to defend it? Yeah Maybe what she said didn't resonate with you But it resonated with me and i'm sure it resonated with a bunch of other people as well So like if you don't want to hear any personal in that wasn't a counter argument So I think this is one of the problems that's encumbering the discussion around she-hawk is it's like we're having two parallel discussions There's one discussion about the the story itself like who is saying this to who in the story in the context of the narrative And then there's like the meta conversation like what are these statements to be uh read as Taken out of the story as like statements about the world Um, you can't really conflate these two discussions. You kind of have to have one or the other Um, I'm personally more interested in just talking about it in the context of the show. Yeah True anecdotes, you know skip ahead But I personally have a lot of stories to back up what Jen was talking about and i'm positive You have a lot of stories to back up what she's talking about in regards to the baseline existence of women being fear and helplessness The implication being that men less so So what what it sounds like you're building up to is that you have stories where you've been made to feel Helpless or fearful which is like man. I think everybody once you reach a certain age has Plenty of stories of that themselves like like everybody does and of course in the mcu bruce certainly has those the helplessness of this alternate persona coming out at provocation And losing two years of his life two years where he was a helpless prisoner in his own body You're not going to be able to out do that That's pretty scary and you might be quite angry about that when you like yeah, if we're gonna Bruce walk pretty upset about it when hulk was trying to not hulk when thos trying to make him hulk again Yeah, and and well if you really want to try and rank traumas like I don't think any normal human experience is going to come It's going to be difficult when I say normal. I mean You know the stuff she was saying happens to her in everyday scenarios I'm not talking about like some crazy person kid naps even does all kinds of horrible things I just mean two years being trapped inside your own body. I doubt jennif has gone through anything quite like that That's got to be a deeply terrifying experience. Yeah Especially as we saw right bruce was very concerned if he transformed again That would be the end of him that would be the end of his identity as bruce Yeah, and he did it anyway to save uh to save lives because that's what heroes do also do when If if we were to include the context of the comics where he was abused as a kid like And hulk is the manifestation of that um like it's a direct consequence of that trauma Yeah, let's uh, we'll give the benefit of the doubt that they're not that's not his history of this show And that she's not aware of it because holy fuck There are other people who can share their stories in the comments too because it's Not some like crazy thing that she pulled out of nowhere She was but she made a competition That was like that's one of the parts that really screwed it up because i'm sure everybody would agree It's like yeah mutual difficult experiences are worth sharing It's not a competition about who suffered more than somebody else, but she made it that She said that she deals with it infinitely more than he does like that. She's better at it She didn't have to say that like she didn't have to say that it's indicative of of her the fact that all of this was about Dealing with hulk stuff and then she took that really personally like how dare you i deal with plenty of stresses of my daily female life He wasn't even there was absolutely no desire on bruce's part to try and undermine her life experiences at all Just trying to like Yeah, exactly Her experiences and she's written by women who are also sharing their experience Let's not talk about the right Come on now. That's not going to help you out. This is and they're all valid experiences to talk about What is that even what is an invalid experience to talk about? I mean wouldn't we yeah Kind of confusing but I guess something that's worth touching on is that like part of your job as a writer is Like if there's a theme that's really important to you or a subject you want to broach Like your talent your craft is about finding a way to take something that's personal to you and conveyed in a way that is like comprehensible Uh to a lot of people logical in and of itself like within the story that you're telling and to some extent Like in a sense concealed Like that whatever themes that you're conveying Are um couched within the context of the story that you're creating rather than being perceived as like an essay or some statement That you're making like that's what that's what it is. It's through characters Why are we ignoring that part of the craft like how well did they actually convey? What they wanted to convey thematically That reminds me drop to cat calling and that was it Well, they sought to express it and they expressed it and that's good enough Um, it's like tlj and it's like it doesn't matter. He they did it and it's like, yeah, but they didn't do it well Exactly. No, they didn't do it. Well, you just didn't understand it and it's like fucking half the world didn't understand it You might have a problem As long as you ignore significant lines of dialogue, then it's okay works The fact that you feel compelled to ignore that line of dialogue says something about Kind of I guess what you realize for sure, which is that yeah, you can screw it up You can screw up conveying a message that's important to you personally. Yeah Even if you don't want to hear them just on this channel, I've been called a stupid bitch Okay Wonder why didn't like it. What do you want us to do? Like we'll run out our laundry lists. Believe me. Mine's longer than yours and it's Incessant. I've gotten death threats for saying I didn't like how the earlier ironman films wrote women at one point some Um, oh no Did you not like pepperpots? I mean she was you know Like what's wrong with it? Someone told me that they wanted to rip my throat out if I Do that Um, I can't remember. I think I showed it on eFab There was a tweet that went out about me saying um, is there any way we can just get rid of more? It's just that Just like get rid of the channel or the one of them one of them said like disappear Like I wouldn't want to kill him just just make him stop And uh, yeah, this is like all the time every day. Uh It doesn't take much a lot of people And feel justified in saying this stuff if they think you're having a very big detrimental effect on the world That's the internet plus anonymity As I said people just like write stuff without Ever acknowledging that you know, you might see it. They they might address it to you I've had comments when they they were like addressed to me But when they realized that I actually saw it and reacted to it They deleted them or something, you know, they always sort of go back Um, they never actually mean it those type of stuff Even if it's a death threat or whatever It's just people being mean on the internet and there is a huge difference Yeah, and and if it's it's it's absolutely shit. Yeah. Yeah, I want to make sure that that's said Yeah, it's universal is is the thing it happens. It happens to a lot of people men and women alike Yes, I mean You know They just use Your gender Uh as an X like as a whatever they can watch on to right like whatever right if there is no gender issue Then they will find something else to criticize about you It has to do with them being you know, terrible people and not with them being misogynistic or whatever So, yeah, uh, wouldn't want to reduce the effects that reading those has on this lady right here It's just that uh, it's it's path of the course for the internet. It's a thing that happens and uh I don't know what this has to do with like She hope not really no and and if someone if she was to argue to me Well, I I resonated with she helped because that's what I feel she's referencing with the you know every day sort of stuff And I should be like yeah, everyone goes through that Unfortunately, she implied women are the ones that have to deal with it Uh, which is Worse bruce uh bruce banner one of the Probably like one of the most punished characters in fiction um That that like that hers was worse Um She didn't need to make it a competition or a contest or a comparison And why would she do that to somebody that she cares about as well? I didn't get rid of my vocal fry the last time I made a video like this I literally ended up on one of those like really weird Red pill live stream channels where they like play your video to a live stream audience and like pause Listen evab is red, but we're not red pill at least Maybe maybe we are who knows we read people on red pill on media But uh, yeah, that's that's a music though What do you know if it's in the blue one or the green one? Um, oh, yeah green for uh for she Hulk which one's that's minis But it's mini and she Hulk isn't mini. She's bigger. Yeah, so We could be You would just need to switch the whole So evap regular is green and evap mini is red It would be confusing for a while. It would be difficult to readjust to but I think we can make that work. Doesn't actually think that we're a red pill podcast. Does she because that would be hilarious Well, we haven't covered it before right this is no, but uh All right. Yeah, like afterward. I wouldn't I don't know. I just said What what podcast is she referring to then? What what is there? Is there a media covering video podcast? There's red pill that went over her she hulk video. I don't know Maybe she's talking about you Lauren You're the red pill podcast Yeah Every few seconds to sort of like deconstruct and talk about how terrible your point is Yeah Yeah, um, not a terrible person though in case you thought that that was gonna be like a additional thing Little chill. Everyone's made a bad video in their time, right guys? Mm-hmm Well That's up for debate really All of them are perfect. It would be a goddess with myself To sort of like deconstruct and talk about how terrible your point is except You haven't actually made your point yet because they paused in the middle of your sentence Well, we went through the whole video. Well, we will go through the whole video So you don't need to worry about that But I feel like we've caught a lot of what your points are understood them I will say I I think one of uh something I find particularly frustrating in like conversations is let me finish So just a little fun tip If you disagree with like a premise that somebody lays out that is foundational to the argument they're presenting You should be able to stop that to clarify it and make sure that you're on common ground And if the responses let me finish it's like well, if you disagree with the premise fundamentally Whatever point you're saying I can't accept we have to like wasting time because i'm just going for instance We say as long as we all agree that the earth is made out of jelly And it's like then we can it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, let me finish if we can We can all agree that in a sense the world is made out of gem In an american vernacular It's like wow actually that might be a bad example because if we do all agree that the earth is made of jelly Yeah, you would say if Ned because yeah, uh, no, you wouldn't say if we agree You would say the world is made out of jelly therefore Um and and to offer a slight olive branch the other side of that is if you said Um the world is made out of jelly and and then for you go, hey, no, no, no, no, it's not and they go Let me finish and he'd be like, okay carry on they go And I was known as a liar Then it would make sense to conclude that I was lying about that being my perspective You know like it's something that recontextualizes a little bit and you go, oh, okay That's happened only if I before and if it does happen in this video at any point Then we'll be like, oh my bad got the wrong idea on what your point was there I retract and you can carry on no harm no foul Is we've done it before it's totally okay The idea that this is a thing that can happen where we misunderstand a point because we pause halfway through it Does not mean the entire format is worthless. I don't know why That's always possible Yeah, and you can you can do all kinds of things and uh, I don't know I just want the format is the execution And hey, you know what you're welcome to come on and talk about your points point of view if you'd like to I have a feeling you're not going to want to and that's okay too All the while their live stream comments are showing up on screen Where their audience members are saying things like why would anyone listen to this ugly buck of tooth, bitch? Oh my god, chat chat. I'm looking at you. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. I will ban you Hmm And I'd like to drop her into a third world country and have her get shot up The people saying this fucking bullshitting about some of this You gotta wonder halfway through thinking about these sorts of things You're like, do you think maybe they say this stuff because they want you to you know solo about Feel like this person's bothering me that they'll be like I ball the day. I did it. I said I think it ball the day Give them exactly what they want What are you supposed to do with that information? Ignore it. It's useless. It's absolutely ignore it. Yeah So, hi, I was gonna say I do it all the time all of us do Hi, if you're watching from one of those channels. Um, you do not actually have my permission to use this content in your video So that's Such a moment of just like, well I'm afraid you put this on a website notice youtube in which there's public availability invisibility of your perspective Sorry, but uh, we're already too late on that front. I guess she's gonna sue us. It's okay She's gonna I call up she Hulk No, we're fucked Literally, uh, we'll go to jail now. Oh, geez Had someone come within two inches of my face to say, hey, I think you're pretty Can you take your mask down so I can see your smile? And when I take a step back as a response because he's in my personal bubble and it is the middle of cold Yeah, that's a weird fucking dude I don't know else to come Weird fucking dude He tells me that I'm a bitch. I should be grateful that someone thinks I'm pretty Dude, if I were there and I saw that happen, I'd be like what the fuck man I can't think of experiences like that that I've had but you know, it was just it's such a like a weird thing and you just You just go and laugh about it. Most of it. I mean unless it's it's actually dangerous situation, which you know happens If you're dealing with a psycho then it just sucks Most of the time those people are just You know, they want attention and if you don't give them that attention, they're gonna, you know go for it they're gonna insult you Because they're insulted themselves and you know, you just go back and laugh about it most of the time If you're not actually dealing with a psycho You know one of them smile hunters that are just You should just know how to handle those situations otherwise you know Yeah, but I'm assuming we tying this back into liking she-hulk like I The statement by jen spoke to because it's relatability in terms of dealing like these shitty interactions with people And I would just be like, yeah, I wish you were in a good show that made the point better Again, it's like she again she said she said to bruce that she's better at controlling her emotions because she does it infinitely More than him like there's no getting around that statement She said it to the worst possible character like that she could have said to and she didn't need to And that's like a lot of where the discussion Well, that's where I think the discussion should be focused in the context of the story As long as we get into all this it's it's just um, you know And then I still don't say anything So he calls me a bitch again and leaves and I just have to pretend I'm not shaking I was literally just waiting outside a public bathroom for my sister to come out. We were on a walk Like you should be able to exist and go on walks with I mean, this is the thing. There are shitty people out there. Uh, yeah Out like the threat of someone coming up to you calling you a bitch because you didn't dude We should be able to live in a world where nobody kills each other. That would be nice, too like But we not People are free to do a lot of really weird and annoying and then downright horrifying things Give them the proper attention that they wanted from you Just a little odd freshman year of high school My best friend got off a stop later than she was assigned and walked a longer distance home Just so she didn't have to walk past a motel where grown adult men would sit on plastic chairs And yell comments about her body freshman year of high school So she was 14 15 years old Eventually she got in trouble for getting off at the wrong stop And she just never took the bus again in college one of my room anyway, she hulk Yeah, I mean terrible people exist Sexist people exist all those people exist, but what does this have to do with she hulk? It's just like sympathy grabbing like oh you gotta like my show. I was sexually harassed like No, you'd be like so if we had a guy explain several horrible things that's happened to him At the he felt that she hulk like insults his experiences. Does that then counterbalance? Like what what are we doing? This isn't about the show anymore. This is just about how you feel I think she would say that he would have incorrectly read because I mean that's what she said about that comment, right? And it's like right. So what we're doing right now is kind of like ancillary We're just like The show and and like the characters and what they said to each other I think you're right that she would say there's an incorrect reading But the fact is like who out of the two sides of this argument are having to omit lines Yeah, the the the omission of the lines is um Like I think that's just a recognition that like you know that there was a mistake in the show that that line was a mistake And that it it fundamentally changes what she said away from what you're describing it as into something different and less defensible And that's that's like I I guess um I don't know why you would go to such like extents to defend it like you could still I mean hell you can still feel compelled to like defend I guess the subject matter and the point that they were probably trying to make Like if it's a you know like whatever points you agree or disagree with without having to go to like these lengths to defend it yeah Rip it doesn't have to be like treated as flawless Even if you like it it doesn't have to be treated as flawless TV off of her wall while they were in the middle of an argument. Why who knows? Make a point was just that angry Who knows? Sorry, what was that story? argument why who knows She just never took the bus again in college one of my roommate's boyfriends literally ripped the tv Off of her wall while they were in the middle of an argument. Why who knows? Ah Yeah, so the reason I wanted to check that was uh I had a guy friend whose girl friend went nuts on him took his tv It wasn't on the wall It was on the stand on a cabinet thing and she threw it at him. He uh, he dodged it though Jesus. Yeah, um, I only heard it. I didn't see it I wish anything similar to these types of experiences were depicted in the show itself for her to defend it to this level But the only thing it came close to like oh those guys called her pretty and she almost killed them We've talked about it so many times like why didn't you have one of them grab your wrist and pull it? Yeah, um, it's it's enough. It could have been like it could have been something else as well Like she could have been startled by something just like something that was around I don't know like I mean she just got out of a car crash, right? So like it wouldn't be unbelievable like even a loud dog barking at her that she didn't see like could have Break her out of it started her Oh, yeah, like you you amp up the um, just how like, um Dangerous these these people are these guys You know before she turned into a she-hulk I was just expecting something, you know them to say something more or something else to happen For her to you know lash out. You know, they just Took a two step And that's it It's um, unfortunately, it's just like the dawn where This man There's like how about a smile which is like, okay. It's annoying um for a lot of women and then He she says how about a handshake instead? I fucking hate that scene so much because you can tell the guy is like, oh Handshake. Yeah, sure. And then she like electrocutes him Salt and then stealing his motorcycle And a lot of people defended it like yep, that's the way it should be and it's like no again You need to have her say like i'm not interested and then he grabs her by the wrist and pulls it back and says Oh, come on. Yes, you are which is enough to then have her slap him slash punch him even But nope, you just have them go. You're pretty which is like fucking hell Well, it's it's it's kind of like a problem with a lot of uh, disney stuff Is that they don't want people to get too uncomfortable with anything Um, they can never like present anything. It's too raw or like too, um, distressing because it still needs to be like, um content that is easily consumed And enjoyed and like pushing anything too far would make people uncomfortable So they won't do that and so then you have a scene like that Um at the beginning of this episode or uh or like that captain marvel bit Make a point was just that angry Who knows at one point during a completely different fight She knocked on my door and asked me to come into the kitchen to mediate their argument I was like, do you want me to bring my pepper spray out? She's like, no I just want you to stand in front of the knife so he doesn't grab them while we're talking. Jesus christ It's got lots of serious problems to deal with that I did bring the pepper spray in my pocket though because natasha romanoff did not raise an idiot Okay, these are all just random examples off the top of my head and like the stuff that I just detailed Isn't even the worst of it. There's so many people going through so much worse But that's why I think it's denying that this is like a thing that happens though in real life She could have said all these stories in favor of literally any content ever and bound it to it In some way she performed with some character going through something This doesn't change that she hulk is shit. I'm sorry Jen to be like rage and fear the baseline of any woman existing if not the baseline of existence There are at least emotions. Why could she say that? That Exactly you keep trying. You're like her lawyer. You keep trying to make the life sound better That's not what they are if they were that they would be better, but they're not that They are There imagine she did say like I go through fear and um and sort of helpless feelings a lot in life Don't you and then the hulk would be like, well, yes But you know, I'm trying to create a sense here that's a little bit unusual Not like a baseline sort of thing But even that may trigger it so we've got to be careful like we spawn in actual You know like appeal to there's a lot of things that are outside of your control So you need to focus on that which is in your control and what needs to be in your control is transforming Like you need to be in control 100 because the external world is not going to like respond to accommodate you like you it's Unfair as it is like it's you you have to be able to respond to like situations You need to be prepared to help people you need to like that's what it could have been and you could even that could have been As a thing to explore you could even have these elements thrown in with a level of self-awareness like in the middle of exploring What makes you angry? He's casually sort of says like you really should smile more and she like gets angry and he goes that's See this is what i'm talking about people are gonna say that and you need to actually be able to deal with it Beyond getting big and green and fucking killing them. Yep And uh, there you go. It's addressed and brought up as a thing Well, especially when she expressed that she doesn't want to like deal with this persona at all It's like so now the focus of our training is you need to have it under control at all times if that's what you want to do That's the thing you really could have had like the hulk and gen training thing being like I mean if we were being particularly bold that could have been a whole season's worth of television But um, you know even a couple episodes could have been worthwhile Alongside everything else you could be having a good time with your friends and you're still like oh my god It's like I following me down the street like you're still aware That there could be danger these little moments They all build up to how women carry themselves in public They build up to the constant situational awareness you have to have they build up to know there's an irony here um, I was uh, I've walked down the Places that are super dark narrow in places. I haven't even been before in towns I'm in because of a party whatever and I get legit like I hope I don't get mugged or something. This is like super dangerous territory But like I guess like the way that this is being described is like yes, but you wouldn't understand it The experience as a woman or whatever and be like, yeah, but don't you think that that then accidentally I'd imagine Uh, it's like expunging all of the other sex's experiences that relate to these sorts of situations Like don't you legitimize other people's experiences? Exactly like and so all we seem to be agreeing on from sometimes perspective and definitely ours The show shouldn't have made it about one side should have done both But it didn't That was its fuck up Knowing every single item that you have in your bag at any moment's notice Because who knows you might need to use that hydro flask in your bag in self defense builds up to that mental calculation You're making you know every time you're walking you're like, where's the next building? Calculating the distance between like where you are in the next building And like would you be able to make that distance if someone came to try to grab you from the back? Would you make it getting in your car immediately lock in the door changing out of the skirt? Even though it's a really cute outfit because you know your class isn't going to end until 8 p.m. And at that point you're walking home in the dark You don't want to be walking home in a skirt in the dark girls have literally been killed for saying no to wanting to go out With someone and you think that doesn't affect the way that we interact in public. We constantly I don't I don't know Wait, you just just ran off and who are you talking? Yeah, I don't know who you're talking to anymore You Know that we could be in danger no matter what we say, so we're constantly editing what we say Which is frustrating. She's gonna have a fucking mind blown if she comes across a woman who just doesn't agree with her on this It's gonna be like, what do you mean? Don't you have the exact same experiences me miss bringing up the reference of I'm a different person Therefore I have different experience. It's like Oh All right, dang and it's a valid Experience to talk about even if parts of the audience don't want to hear it Which is why I've been thought about the audience not wanting to hear. It's the audience is critical of what they heard Getting slightly frustrated at comments like these I'd honestly much rather endure catcalling and mansplaining than experience any of the pain and suffering that hulk has had to endure agreed Yeah, the show is so dumb once they disrespect hulk and bruce who are talking about women's issues is worse than what bruce has gone through Yes, okay, explain to me why these comments are wrong Especially comments like this one. So you say you want bruce to shush her because she hasn't tried to kill herself Well, first of all That is so out of character for bruce to do. It's not even funny. Yeah, he's already out of fucking care I was about to say this is even fucking bruce so whatever but Uh, yeah, all obviously she needs to remember that all of these are fueled by the fact that gen was the one that compared them He hadn't done that. I doubt there would be anywhere near as many comments like this Original wound 1983. All right. So this was out of character two. This is part of why I fucking hate iron man three by the way Yeah Yeah, well while iron man is trying to explain his trauma bruce doesn't give a fuck and falls asleep Funny even but yeah, isn't that funny? I'll complain about this in a video one day guys. Don't you worry 14 years old That was weird. I mean this man didn't even interrupt natasha while she was talking They sterilize you to tell her hey, I mean you can't give a fuck when he interrupts a conversation like that Jesus christ. She was explaining how she's barren like why the hell would he what? What the How Why would you compare these scenarios? like I mean you got hollowed out like a jack jack lantern, but like I gotta get my clothes on like, you know You talk too much nat nat you talk too much christ I can't believe she's bringing this up. It's like see bruce doesn't interrupt people when they say things like what? Hey, just so you know, you're not a monster. You still think you're the only monster on the team I don't even know what what are you what are you saying with this? That is in character for bruce to not interrupt people And the fact that he created this space for jen so she has a safe space to express her frustrations Knowing that he will listen to her that says a lot about bruce and it also says yeah, but it is what what do we What is the point that you're trying to make that like bruce would allow her to speak her mind like yeah Yeah, so it would just happen say himself like though if he disagrees with her So the train of thought here goes the commenter says I wish bruce had Pointed out how wrong she is about everything she said and how he's gone through a lot more than here Her point is we've seen that bruce doesn't fucking stand up for himself or talk over someone when they're sharing their experiences And he's created this environment for her to express her feelings Which doesn't actually counter the commenters initial thought which is that he should have countered this He's listening to her of course. He'll let her speak He shouldn't be allowing her to get away with this shit Because it just shows a blatant misunderstanding of the experiences that are involved with controlling being the hulk In fact, you might even go as far as saying the hulk's like, oh You think I was talking about cat calling and stuff like dealing with that. I I'm talking about like You know parts of your life that are the most stressful and that those will almost guaranteed trigger you into becoming something that could hurt people Sure, they could be launched by smaller Uh moments in your life that are causing stress and stuff, but You know like anything but he sort of just like as she even put it There's an even expression on his face at one point where he's kind of agreeing with her Completely nonsense out of character He wouldn't feel that way and he shouldn't feel that way doesn't he make sense About their relationship clearly as people in chat are pointing out, you know, maybe a b would land on your hand Feel to control this I don't know Well, yeah, I imagine if there was a spider like in the courtroom or something, you know Just like a little old. I don't know what crazy like spiders. There are in america And then that freak out she tried to form we kind of joke about that True like this is what uh Remember she said like the the experience she was having with those guys is clearly fear that triggered it And it's like well if you believe that then she needs to do a lot of training We need to see as we saw if a spider can trigger it Well, I mean as we saw right a A mega horn or like an air horn blown into her ear will trigger a transformation Meanwhile in adventures bruce got zapped with like a little electrical fraud and it didn't do anything Yeah, so like there's there's there's uh specters or maybe not like there's degrees of control And uh in two days, there's not long enough to figure them out. No And look this could just be me but there's something that feels really off About comments like these Honestly, she just seems ignorant, especially that scene where she's venting on how hard her life is. I just wanted hulk to push his thing Oh, well, I kind of yeah, I agree with the whole she seems ignorant of his uh experiences But that doesn't make sense. She can't be or she seems to be she seems the way that she talks to him It's as though she's unaware of his experiences, but like their family Maybe she doesn't know all the details, but she would know more than the average person could know about hulk's A bruce's life. Let's look at our references in total, right? All of the bigger traumatic events He's been through are actually pretty public record. Like they're not even stuff you need to know by being his family Yeah, then you've got She's a lawyer so she's probably pretty familiar with these events having happened and what they meant The law as well like I don't see why yeah, you know, why wouldn't she be fully aware of the um The accords and how they relate to her cousin superhero duties like when she's a lawyer that would feel really weird if she did maybe Maybe she does know that he attempted suicide. Maybe that's something And it was it was a direct consequence of him being hulk That prompted him to do that And then like she she even talked about the fact that she knows about all the trauma that he's gone I was gonna say that's the final references that she admits to knowing about all of it. So Why we have no reason to assume that she wouldn't know about any of this which just makes her an asshole Just completely see the zero regard for for bruce's perspective That's actually his experience indicative not only the character of this commenter But the character of pretty much everyone analyzing this we all would first go with ignorant because it's better than asshole It's better than assuming that she's a bad person. Yeah, yeah They just feel very similar to sentiments that I think end up causing More harm than good to see what about the harm done to bruce Who you know him defending himself might harm jen so we can't do that God so self-centered see people specifically say they want her to stop talking. It's not about not sharing your pain She's welcome to do so. She compared herself to him. She made his pain seem small That's really fucking retarded Because she hasn't tried to commit suicide that just reads us off to me to meet the mentality in some of these Again, I have to remind her who did the comparing first Yeah, wasn't bruce's comments really perpetuates this culture where people don't talk about their experiences You know, she's turned this into everyone wants her to not talk about her trauma. That's not what everyone's saying Don't get help for things that are affecting their daily life And don't even make efforts to try to find a community that will support them All because they're constantly comparing their struggles to what everyone else around them is going through But the thing is a jen did that jen did that not bruce There is always going to be someone who has it worse than you and be Different people carry different weight differently. What a great point. You should tell jen that Something that might be really easy for you to deal with sound there was always someone worse off than you Just imagining the most worst off personally in the world Categorically like what does that even look like? What I mean, it's fucking unreal Accomplish is giving all this advice as if to this commenter as opposed to the commenter doing this in response to what jen said We just have to happily ignore it. I guess. Oh, it's it's the problem of You can't have the conversation about the show in a vacuum Or at least you're trying not to you have to tie it into the broader discussions Sociopolitically and and everything culturally and it just makes it a lot harder to engage with the like the material itself And the material is that jen somebody who knows a lot about bruce and what he's gone through When he was trying to help her get control of abilities that could be dangerous to the people She cares about and people that she doesn't even know That she came back at him without response of like comparing their level of trauma and their ability to deal with it Could be incredibly hard to carry for someone else and even if it's a mundane issue You still deserve a space to talk about it. Nobody said anything other than this. I don't even know who you talked to once again Who has ever said that she was not given space? Or like she shouldn't have been given space. I just don't understand I really do not have to carry your burdens alone to me this mentality truly just keeps people from getting the help But I mean jen wanted to essentially because she left she didn't want to hang out with bruce anymore She didn't want to work through it anymore She used that as a means of leaving So like that's not Correctly comparable to this scene. It feels like you're talking about a totally different scene like a scene that doesn't exist in the show It might need just because I mean the whole the whole thing with with jen is that she is essentially denying that This is something she has to deal with now when the whole point that bruce is going for is trying to get her to be Open and aware of it and deal with it with him. And yet the argument is Dead is being open and honest and the commenters are trying to stop her those foul creatures What does it mean to try and stop a fictional character from like expressing their genuine perspective? Yeah, but it's like it's even weirder than that I think because like the commenters aren't talking about that they're talking about responding to what she said Not stopping her from saying it Well, I guess except for that guy who said that bruce should have stopped her Well, so that's still responding to what she would have started up with right like In the sense of like cutting her off when she's made a statement of some kind That's either offensive or just fucking wrong. We should totally see how to And just take it all in and and not express any disagreement If we flipped them and it was a guy who's starting to imply that he experiences more trouble than this woman could ever understand I think she the creator of this video would be in favor of that woman standing up for herself and interrupting him expressing his experiences by her Saying about her experiences, you know, like it goes both ways. I don't I don't think there's a problem In them both expressing Themselves how they feel about all these different events just because he's interrupted does not mean she'll never be able to say it ever again The worst does not mean you don't also deserve a space to talk about what you're going through and your experiences And I think this is a fair point, right? Obviously not everyone wants to watch Western women, but this is my thought, right? If you know, you don't like to watch western women Don't say that they should have expected this from she help. There's no fucking way This is just all you should have known I watch a show about a woman living in the west talking about her life experiences You don't have to watch everything Marvel puts out. I'm probably never gonna say the same thing to you. I've seen your fucking channel I mean, yeah, she watches everything. She watches and likes everything they put out Hey, it's made for her. Okay Even the trilogy of white men that was kind of made for it You relate to them because of the white part not the men part, but hey Okay, so what if I'm just a hulk fan and I just watched it for a hulk, right? That was your mistake. I can do that, right? You should have known better The master friend They should have got it with the hazmat suit first and then told you whether or not it was dangerous Hmm the punisher If you know, there is a pretty big chance. You're not gonna like it. Just don't a pretty big wait So I should just avoid stuff that I think I won't like As opposed to hoping like I don't even dude. I'd be avoiding fucking most things Were you expecting to enjoy half of the dragon? I thought you're gonna say stranger things Both of those would be things I wouldn't have watched if I went by her logic I I mean surely we would still want to be in a world where we encourage people to give stuff a fair shape. Absolutely Dude, I gave she held a fair shake You probably wouldn't like it so don't watch it. It was like oh Okay I'm not gonna give it a shot, but okay Someone said if more did that he wouldn't have this channel. I didn't expect to dislike tlj. I thought I was gonna love it No, I thought I think I've maintained the trailer for tlj. It's still pretty banger, but uh the film Oh, I still get chills though It's pretty cool Also, I'll be right back you guys entertaining yourselves Oh, why why do you make me do this? I'm playing splatoon. I can't concentrate Play splatoon at the same time It's impossible Maybe it's not we'll give it a try Oh, shit, well I'm struggling Uh-oh. Oh, no, I'm too focused. I'm in it. I mean I'll help him out. Give him a give him a subject. I'm just gonna go to pee I guess I can talk about the game, but I don't know how many people give a shit About splatoon isn't that that game where kids cream each other? No You playing again, I I saw like you just you just playing a game where you shoot a bunch of paints onto Like into like areas and then you that gives you control over the map And if you cover the most of the map with that then you win And then there's other game modes like tower control where you just got to stay on top of like the tower and make sure that it gets to the um To the other side of the map and then rainmaker where you got like a gun It's super powerful and you got to like just use it to try and get to the other side of the map What survive trying to just get to the other side of the map actually in the game Oh But otherwise, yeah, I don't know much commentary It only just came out so I'm still figuring out what I think about it overall Have either of you watched house of the dragon or no I am Yeah I never been really I never been really into uh game of thrones Yeah, so I didn't really see so I didn't really like I I felt like I needed to watch that first before I watched the prequel show Wow So I've only watched like six or seven episodes of uh game of thrones So I went into house of the dragon fairly unfamiliar with uh It set well before the show Uh like the main show so i'm not even sure how much It matters like how much you're aware of the show actually um Yeah, I figured that that might be I guess uh, what's interesting right now is that it's kind of impossible to like Talk about house of the dragon without comparing it to rings of power because yeah, they're both high fantasy Uh like big budget television shows based on uh like an intellectual property that everybody really cares about And what's really I guess awkward to compare With rings of power to house of the dragon is in three episodes house of the dragon has set up several major players It's got like it's it's stacking up essentially uh like a really um Perilous situation Where all of these characters with their different objectives and priorities are going to clash And meanwhile like by the end of episode three of rings of power Feels like we barely achieved anything at all like I don't even know if there was really any passion or like an idea behind that story I um Like I'm legitimately like it seems to me like they had access to lord of the rings They wanted a lord of the ring show for their like network and for their streaming service but As for a story that they wanted to tell Uh in that universe it seems like there wasn't that much inspiration It feels that way like they didn't really know what they wanted to do with it Except but they had it and they spent a lot of money on it and they needed to make that investment for the sake of the streaming service Didn't capitalize off of like peter jackson and didn't just Pre-cool or something. I don't know what I understand They don't have access to a lot of lord of the rings They only have access to certain parts of it that precludes them from a lot of uh A lot of material in lord of the rings because I think it's set like a thousand years before The uh like the hobbit and lord of the rings Um, and so there's like a lot of things that they have to kind of like maneuver around Though as well, I think uh peter jackson said that he was like willing to be involved and they just never got back to him Wow That's that's your mistake Wow, it's um, I guess I want to make their own thing, which is uh, oh apparently it's a lot earlier than that um, yeah, I guess uh I I wonder if it's a show that will be able to persist purely on name recognition because I've said it a few times I just I don't know what it is that like people would latch on to in that show that they would really enjoy I find it to be so dull Yeah, like it's um It's a really empty show. It doesn't have many characters that are well developed I kind of liked um, I kind of like the uh, the guy that got introduced in episode three in that uh On the island the what was his I don't remember his name He was like the first character Elendil I think is yeah Um Yeah, otherwise Yeah It will be interesting to see but I mean we've from what we've heard it's doing just fine amazon the feds got great numbers I'm sure everyone loves it. Uh, I mean now in direct competition though Because how did the dragon shot up like several million viewers right episode three got like six million more viewers than uh two and one I'm so interested to do that I've enjoyed it I mean I've heard it's good, but it's not as good. So I'm just wondering how to compare us to I suppose three episodes is not going to be able to be as good as like the best at game thrones, but maybe in future Well, who knows right there's potential there. Whereas uh, I yeah, I guess I don't see the trajectory of uh rings of power I don't know. I don't know where it's going Alrighty then we go another six minutes of this video See what climactic finish there is Rune your day by watching it That is such an easy solution And in the meantime, you've got to just accept that you're not always going to be the target audience for every piece of media that comes out for um, would it be fair then to say that if uh, you know when they say like uh wrinkle in time wasn't made for you like, um free Larson said uh Are we to conclude that like captain america winter soldier for example is made for white men and thus we shouldn't like when Anyone who doesn't fit that description says they're not enjoying it for that reason We should tell them to go look at other stuff. Is that is that what we're at because I don't think that I don't think she would say that I think the problem is that like I I shouldn't I I don't think you should Lame the audience, but like it's the writer's job to make sure that Their demographic and the ones that they're aiming for coincide And I don't think I think this series really misses that you know it misses Who mcu fans actually are and what they actually watch these types of shows for right they want action They want you know significant like you know character arcs and stuff and this type of humor and I don't know like twitter Written narrative is just it's not something that they will go for And I don't think you should blame the audience for it For example, I don't actually feel like I'm the target audience for everything in this episode I personally really did not like the steve roger sex life joke That is literally bordering not even bordering that that is what people tell people who are on the asexual or aromantic spectrum Oh my god, I thought she was gonna go the direction of saying he was objectifying him Uh You can't objectify a hetero white man. You can't do that only if you're aromantic or whatever the fuck she just I just uh But yeah, I've seen a lot of people approve of that joke. Um, but she does not I thought it was also interesting that she said a lot of the stuff in this episode was not I'm not the target audience of and then goes on to make What she feels to be a righteous sort of like indignation argument, which I I think she just categorizes this stuff different than I would so for example If if I watch tlj and say luke's had a character and then she says, yeah, well It's just not made for you person who enjoys people who are in character Like I just like what? Like that's um in the same vein like she doesn't appreciate Humor in in a in a place to try and make light of like something that she considers to be unethical or something Like oh, I guess it's not made for me. It's like, well, no, that just sounds like a criticism that you can have for your own You know ethical systems and stuff. That's just normal. We all do this with everything We don't just like anytime something comes up and we're critical of it. We don't conclude. Ah, it wasn't made for me That's weird If you don't have this certain relationship, yeah, you're a waste also just the fact that that that is what faggy decided Was so important calling up the ruso brothers and saying hey Hey, my favorite guys. Um natasha One of the only women avengers we've had for years How about we put a little bouquet of flowers together? Send them down the river next to tony's during the funeral two seconds Little scene just something just something, you know, sweet. You see taking the issue with this wouldn't mean it's not made for you It would it's a general I think it's fair to be critical of the fact that natasha wasn't given the same send-off That tony was considering they made essentially the same sacrifice Um, I think that is a bit of a problem in endgame. It's meta reasons why tony's given the big send-off It's almost like uh, this is the guy that allowed everyone else to get where they are in the mcu Um, but in universe He died so that they could save the world. So did she Almost in exactly the same way like first, you know related to the stone. So You can make that criticism. It doesn't mean that it's not you're not the target audience Like that's such a weird conclusion to come to after making that criticism, you know That is a bit strange Tony was their leader, I don't think the cap or well anybody in the avengers would think we can't give natasha a similar level of Appreciation and funeral because she wasn't as high a rank as him Like that they would never do that For me because I think that would be important. No That That is not important Making sure the audience knows steve rogers did not die of urge and he knew how to fight you're british again Why is everybody british? It's quirky It's the quirk Okey-dokey do Yeah, that's that's important. It really shows you where the priorities lie. What timeline am I oh my god? I could talk your head off all day about how that's true. Their priorities are all fucked all over the mcu at this point Oh, yeah This might be this like sometimes I wonder it's like you could you can join Our dark side. Okay. It's come fear here. It's more consistent You should you should check it out my living in that's the question So yeah, even if it's like a feige approved joke to me steve rogers worth more than if he's had sex or not I'm also getting slightly more put off by marvel's insistence that sex is the end all be all of relationships This feeling has been there for a while. It really picked up some steam when eternals came out and I read that Oh, yeah, I've heard about this the Some line from the creator I or she was like we need to show that their relationship means more than thinking by having them have sex like You know, there are a lot of ways of doing that. You don't have to have it. Okay, fine interview that Chloe gave about why she wanted to include the sex scene where she specifically said that she wanted to like humanize that aspect of the relationship as if the emotional and intellectual part of the relationship isn't The human part to me. That's the human part to me, man Somehow it just got worse because I went to find a screenshot of feige approving the joke And I found this article Which states that jen is obsessed with captain america's virginity because it's the human sign Yeah, because there's the uh, there's the part with the phone screensaver Yeah, she's got his ass on her phone You're breaking the conditioning jen is a pretty shitty person. She's very superficial She's self-centered. She's an asshole Episode four remember how when she was doing the little fourth world break while she had to leave a date to like she keeps talking about how attractive He is it's not important But it is it's like and then she just keeps talking about how attractive he is. It's like, what are we doing? this is hilarious like Thinking of cap naked is what she'd like considers the human real and thing to relate to about him like that's jen She would relate to is that As opposed to him being a hero who made a lot of sacrifices for the world And they wrote that that's what the way they want it. Okay, that's who she is Here's about his cock You guys wrote this we didn't The real side this man literally jumped on a grenade in bootcamp as a sacrifice to protect That's a weird one to pick out of that's not even public knowledge I would probably go with All of the other things that he did at the end of all of his movies as the big things that you know But okay fair enough everyone else and we are running with the fact that his sex life Is his human side of him anyways back to the video while I erase this article from my brain And I recognize that my opinions are not shared by everyone in the marvel fandom No, but you make some good points And I don't then see these points and go. Uh, well, you're not the target audience That's a really weird thing to say That is why the internet's new favorite and credit scene has probably become one of my least favorites, but I didn't like that through shit Just because I don't like that scene Doesn't mean I'm gonna start sending hate comments to everyone who liked it. I'm gonna say, okay They thought it was funny. It must have been for them. Not for me. That's fine. It's that easy. Um I've seen some people like it. I don't know why Why? I don't know Bringy, did you like it? Can you explain it? What the post-credits scene of episode one? Yeah I'm sad dead. No Anyone just wasn't very funny It's funny because virgins Alrighty I'm gonna go around throwing personal insults right and left Welcome to the internet. You don't have to explain why it happens. It just does like You can you can go on for lengths of time for all the motivations all the people say all the mean things But I mean wouldn't waste your time Just because someone has a different brain than me and likes different things and thinks differently That would be ridiculous. What have they said to her? I was hoping to be convinced by your video That I was like narrow-minded on it and then I got offended by several things you said about men Or something. Well, would she how'd she deal with that? Do you think she would just be like, yeah You misunderstood what I said then I thought it was just a difference of opinion though That's the thing, right? She's saying like we've all got different brains Just let let be what is and you just be like, yeah, but what if someone's coming to you because they want to get their mind changed Isn't that what the point of this video is to the persuade? Like, you know, we disagree Fundamentally, I guess with her, but I'm still willing to hear out her arguments. They weren't very good But is it bad that I was willing to hear them? Should I have avoided them? Because man, it just seems like we're fostering polarization at that point This, like at some stage of the game You've got to just respect that people relate to and like different pieces of media differently True, but when you give us references that are wrong We want to then ask you why you've given us incorrect references And what does it mean to you when you realize that there's other ones like we It's like an obvious thing and we could be wrong. You could be wrong Old discussion happens. Maybe someone on either end learns grows. Who knows Fun times can be ahead instead of assuming it always goes bad And this is kind of an aside, but if you have a very distinctive last name It is just some friendly advice. Maybe don't use that account to comment Things like you don't think women can drive because someone could very easily Google search your name Okay, yes, this is so random. So that's uh, that's on that's your choice and that's a weird thing to do And find out that you comment things like FAP FAP FAP Why are you looking into this? Board interest that is So what is happening? What why would you do that like tracking someone down or nice? Oh god On forum posts like the person who participates in digital cat calling thinks and Uh I didn't even catch that the first digital cat calling now And when she would she exposed his uh, his sexist post notice how she clutched her hands like a fucking villain She was so getting off of the fact that she was cyber stalking this motherfucker You thought you could say mean things to me. Yeah Well, I googled your name and now I've found that you said FAP FAP FAP What the hell are we doing that she's like it would be bad enough if he was digitally cat call. This is a joke An episode where a woman calls out cat callers is woke garbage Also, of course like I'm sure I'm sure You would be able to drive perfectly of a spaceship landed in front of you like I'm positive You would handle it so well. We all know it. We all know it. Can you imagine all she had to do was stop? Yeah, I mean everyone made this joke They they didn't do a good job of giving her good reason to do what she did. Uh, so everyone made fun of it for it I'm sorry If people watched the happy hogan Ogling natasha scene in iron man 2 and we're just like, uh This is why men can't drive can't take their eyes off a woman That was supposed to be stupid. We're supposed to be like we were supposed to be like happy watch the fucking road Yeah, it's like a little happy horny. That's the joke He's his horniness is getting in the way of him being able to drive that is that is what people conclude from this scene. Yes No, that would be ridiculous Uh, that's what everybody's conclusion was but okay again. It would be ridiculous Also, it's just so funny to me because it's like do these people think That feige did not approve this episode. He made a point What does that have to do with anything first? He approves first he approves the bad shit You don't like now he approves this shit, but like it's fine. He approved this But not the other shit you didn't like I thought she was trying to make the argument like Do you not like he's approved this so you should like it or something because he's approved the other stuff in the mcu And it's she's already gone over how he can approve shit that she doesn't like and does like so Why would that i'm confused To say that he approved The virgin steve joke. He definitely approved the rest of this episode too like he definitely approved Jen talking about her experiences to bruce. What does that have to do with anything? I don't care what kevin approved. What do you mean? so I was actually Thinking about it the other day like what is kevin feige thinking about right now because I mean he has been nurturing this Since 2007 right like he has been through all of this And now we get to she-hulk So what is going on inside his head like what is going on inside his head when he sees that twerking scene? Or like You know going from the beginning from iron man to here Does he not care or does he just simply not actually watch any of these? I have no clue I don't know what is involved. Yeah, this is why saying that he Approved it or didn't approve it means nothing to me. That is that tells me nothing about how good the thing will be What some of y'all want to do with that information, but hopefully it's not continue to send hate comments to people Why would that change anything about anything? I don't even Okay, fine kevin feige approved of it. And here's the thing right? I am sure there are a lot of people out there who are commenting this who are like decently upset that bruce's backstory has not been explored and that bruce's trauma hasn't been given much weight And I think that's fair But it just seems like a lot of the reactions and the comments that I've been seeing Have been a lot more about people jumping on the bandwagon and getting incredibly excited to show women That they truly do not want to hear them talk about their experiences. So yeah, you're right, but like fuck you So yeah, she said like as much as there may be a chance people are upset that his trauma is being reduced I really think it's more so about shutting women up like that's what men want or that's what the the audience is It's just like you all you you almost had it, but like I don't think you wanted to have it you want to You prefer that it just be about that when I think we all know for a fact that like I'm pretty sure Black widow in winter soldier. It's like has like 100 approval. He's not like considered an annoying part of it That ever wants her to shut up and go away Maybe it's about execution rather than the presence of a woman speaking Because uh, I think our civilization has gotten over that at this point. They're okay with women talking now I know I am You guys, uh, you guys are all guys, right? Otherwise, have I been tricked? Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah They really want to tell you how mundane and foolish it is to talk about cat callers and the um in that context, yeah I think I even think she might agree if we were to ask her that question like In the context of what makes people hulk out what kind of things you need to control Bringing up cat calling is kind of It's just strange. Like what are you? I wish Bruce was just like no, I don't mean stuff like that. I mean things that are a little bit more difficult than that Insistence on calling it a man-hating scene or a man-hating show just feels off to me too because Never once did she say all men suck No, but she said all women suffer more than men Like because they deal with something as a baseline on a daily basis, right? It's it's the implication thing Um, I don't think yeah, they haven't had any all men must die or anything like that in the show up to this point. So that's um That's a thumbs up. I guess good job. Thank god. They didn't they didn't want to genocide all men in a marvel property gold stars Bruce is literally Standing there as proof that all men don't suck. Okay. We all know Andrew Garfield exists That's a joke don't put celebrities and pedestals, but also Andrew Garfield, you know She's basically just talking about direct experiences in her life And just because there are worse hardships in the world does not mean you can't talk about what you're going through And just because a piece of media is not relatable to everyone doesn't mean it shouldn't exist and that about some Wait, I want to say this shouldn't exist like It'd be stopped entirely removed from culture. That's the first day of that one It up. Hopefully now that the first episode has aired Um, the people who hate it will stop watching it and stop clicking in to tell us how much they dislike it and us That would be great. I'm I'm really hoping for that. But anyways, thanks for watching guys Thanks for sitting here as I rant about this yet again. We've got another in defense of video But another one. Thanks for watching guys. See ya Well There it is, uh Yeah, she uh He didn't get the best of responses to that video several people disagreed When you know what they shouldn't have watched it at all. They should have known at that point that They disagreed and thus there's no point in seeing it Um pretty bad not gonna lie. Yeah, I think that's a fair way to put it the One of the weaker ones we've seen I think but Hey, keep at it. Keep making videos just uh, you know It almost seemed like she was on her way to being critical of she held but she sort of sees it as If ever I'm critical of it. I'm just not the target audience for the particular thing, which is just bizarre Very strange And she falls into that category of react channel. That's just like mindless praise of everything this There's no like real There's no commentary. It's just like oh my god. That just happened and it just comes away to the next thing and then like This may I mean this may sound a little uh one being hyperbolic But like having the nerve to be a react channel and then make a review of something And then try to defend something when you know, you don't have the capacity to be to be objective or analytical It's like stop Like it's beneficial. Oh go ahead Just so are you saying like she's one of those channels that it's like you try and play up the fun You're having because it's it's part of like the yeah back and forth And so they then review it when you know that Part of your channel to benefit from Being positive about the thing no matter what? Yeah, yeah, she's feeling She's She's marketing towards a certain demographic of people on youtube They just want to watch the movie through her and they don't want to hear any lip from anyone. They don't want to hear a They can't project themselves on her if she has a Unique opinion about the film. She's just like oh, yeah Like you want to feel like you're watching a movie with someone like it was like a buddy or something Like because she's oh, I'm happy about the movie and she's happy too And it feels like I'm actually here with somebody. It's very sad But it's true but and then Like she wants to turn around and like oh in defense of this and we all saw how that worked out because You feel like unless you're gonna break away from this gimmick Like don't don't make a video like this ever again Hey you know it If she was to express her honest feelings and go right ahead, uh, I would just I would tell it to foster that side of her that was critical for a few seconds there That was the the more interesting part. I think like Reducing bruce's trauma. That's that's what they did focus on and think about it Maybe they didn't write that episode very well. Maybe Wouldn't want to push you into thinking that too much Something to think about Yeah, um, that's that that's the video covered in just four hours and 20 minutes not bad everybody Um, also, what's the uh, what's the backgill trailer? I thought back it wasn't happening Uh, yeah, I thought it was real and I looked at it was like, okay, this is fake. It's a really good fake But it's a fake. I think I think people on twitter got duped And then there's the um Well, there's been more announcements, right? Or is there not? Yeah, that's the Marvel stuff like thunderbolts and whatnot So we yeah, there's that movie Apparently the team is very different from the comic book team and taskmaster is going to be in it But I don't know So I think it's got yelena. It's got um, bucky John walker Taskmaster red guardian was it uh, david the harvest guy and um ghost from ant man in the wasp That's the team is very different from the comics for what I understand So they're gonna be um, I don't know if people are happy about that or not They're gonna be announcing the cast for the guy who made one division is yeah, he's directing fantastic for so Yeah, I get excited Have they announced the cast for that yet? No, they didn't Well, that's whatever it was expecting Well, I guess they're disappointed then that's presumably Everyone's favorite ghost is like Guarantee half of chat don't know who ghost is Don't even remember who another yeah um and uh Like I think sacred invasion and I got a trailer. Ooh We watch that you see what that is. Yeah All right I'm gonna google it or youtube it. Hopefully it gives me exactly what I'm looking for Hey question. That's the one with uh, the scrolls and good ol. Yeah, like fury, right? And we're not gonna get dinged for this, right? Believe us alone Oh Beams That's never been done before technically speaking what you need to see before seeing this is captain bobble, right? I think this comes out before oh, I guess you need to see captain marvel. Maybe Um, I think this comes out after credits of no far from home. That's about it Right, I guess Who it is For years look really cheap You've been avoiding earth I have called for your help plenty of other times and you've been pretty content to let those calls go straight to voicemail I remember her hill She's sometimes she pops Oh that cat scratches How much do you know about your security detail? What do you mean? How much do I know about him? There's a scroll in there Oh Everybody's wearing hats now fury. Oh, yeah We got him. What in the fuck The cast is crazy Oh, yeah, Olivia Coleman's in it, right? Yeah Blown in foreskin. Oh no, I'm see a double here for crusty There are no shape for this fight that lies before us. This is my war Dude, people will go nuts over this because they'll be like finally something serious in the mcu instead of the goof And then it'll be Samuel jackson walking down alley ways. Oh my god Person standing between them Take me to your motherfuckers This is spooky invasion Original series. Yeah, don't worry folks got plenty more tv shows on the way They have the templates right so like when their show is a bit more serious or their movie Sounds and like when it's more happy, it's like, oh Yeah, just go for a little bit more upbeat music and then when it's in the middle you just go for like the middle road music Like they've got like three tablets for their for their trailers that they use Yeah, I don't know I feel bad for anybody who knows what the comic version of whatever this is is because it's not going to be that Is like got a lot of characters in it that just aren't in the mcu So it's gonna be different Get excited everybody Yeah, no so much content. Yeah We got tv shows gonna be coming out of your ears. Loki season two guys. That's on the way God You love season one. Come on Low mermaid trailer I don't know if we get away with are we allowed to see that or is that gonna fuck us up? I don't know I feel like we're taking risks already You know either way we should probably get on with there's nothing in that trailer really it's just bunch of Ocean and then like yeah, there's literally this close-up of of her and that's it Her singing basically How wonderful Yeah, very everybody can't wait So original So, uh, what I will say is that we're gonna we're gonna get into super chats now And I will offer that uh j longbone and not so you've both been fantastic. Would you like to bow out at this moment? That's a preference I'll stay a little longer Oh, all righty then I shall soldier on let's see. Let's see what we got here Looks at the number of women on this episode two. Yeah Can you believe it? rockin the E-fab first probably not actually we had an episode with three women came on so There's no record setting just yet There's why hello there. Hello Lord long bong of muslington abbey Is there any good chance of a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on there'll be a movie fap for the ages Yeah, I think so What's what's the word on on long kong king kong peter jackson kong? Aaron is there any good you remember? What's what's the memory on that? Oh Jesus all I remember is adrian brody looking broody and that's about it Adrian broody well We're gonna get around to it at some point we'll check Opinions on season six episode one of r and m. IMO it was quite decent. Oh rick and morty um Oh, I disagree me and me and for you were not fans Oh, no, I didn't like it The old thumbs down. I'm in the butt uh Queen's dead is mola affected bazaar cup and hi Hello, uh, am I affected? I mean, you know not not in a grand sense, but also personally, you know, it's just uh The reality figured it was gonna happen at some point Uh Try to avoid reading what twitter has to say about it. That's all you got to do. You should be like la la la Uh and all looks like it has hope dear. I say Yeah, maybe maybe I'm gonna give it a shot. Are you guys? Hello Oh, I guess not Oh, uh, you're gonna give and or a shot you're gonna look into it Man, uh, probably not. No I'm off the star wars Thunder says stop with the hope for and or fine. You're still gonna watch it though I wasn't a big fan of rogue one Initially, so I don't know honestly. It's been so long since that. I don't know that Any expectations should be made of and or from rogue one like it's who knows what this thing is gonna be Yeah, I'll just wait for people to say something and If they like it I might check it out Molly explain why iron man 3 is keynote to the guests. I don't I don't like I know plenty of people do and that's great, but I kind of hate it I don't remember it Um, it has like really interesting ideas and then shane black does a ryan johnson He's like wouldn't it be funny if I made these ideas hollow and destroyed them like no Don't have to do that specifically the whole mandalorian thing and only getting ptsd from the events of avengers Both of those things are made into a joke frustrating, but Here we are Hello chat people and efap devil fruit of the week. Please look up the bara bara fruit All right the question that comes with this Is would any of you eat this fruit remember you lose the ability to swim if you do um Oh, it's like a fictional thing, but you can't swim if you eat this. So probably not then like oh, yeah Like what are the benefits of eating it? Is there any temporary loss? Because I don't see the point of that like if I just get nothing out of it by the sounds of it Yeah, if it doesn't taste like amazing then and no Like I don't see the point lose Yeah, so I'm just gonna say no. I think that's the sweeping correct answer Oh frick you found the fictional Darling video. Honestly. I'm a huge fan of all of your videos, but this one isn't I'm not looking forward to but I am She would probably appear if invited. Well, she is she's welcome to come on if she wants to Um, I'm sure she has better videos than the one we saw today I'm sure of it Anime recommendation goblin slayer a fantasy with mando style character done well with smart combat setups payoffs Gate scroll to bottom of the sea for high pressure water. It's 12 episodes and a movie Have you guys seen goblin slayer? Nope I'll wait for mando to be immune to damage again I mean they've done that so many times you think they might try and do something else We'll see I suppose Bring it in order for australia to win the next emu war you must live the rest of your life surrounded by water Do you accept? I don't know if like if the next emu war is happening. It seems like the Peace agreement has held for now. So, you know They follow up with saying, uh, I'm sure nutzer can spare some wine to help Potentially fill a moat with it. Is that the idea? I think a wine moat could be effective against emus um Yeah, they probably don't swim well They never really have to swim I guess They got no arms either so Well, then again, I guess fish don't have arms either. So Kind of a nonsense. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I think that's come up before. Yeah, I think you said that before I think that was a response either from rags or b. I can't remember It seems vaguely familiar um I always thought the guy who plays gandalf is the guy who plays dumbledore liam nison I Thoughts on talking new shadow sequel draft or how you do it I have no idea Vulcan new shadow sequel draft That sound like anything to you guys No Yeah, I don't know what that is. I'm sorry. Uh, I recently rewatched bligh Every rewatch seems to affect me more than the last any chance the bligh watch through is coming out Uh, no expectation of that anytime soon. I'll probably let you guys know when work begins on it So until then it is indefinite the amount of time I do want to make something from that eventually More like blandalorian. Ha ha got him. Nice Is coffee bean poop? Oh Then again, I don't drink coffee that much. So really fringies the one that's suffering if that's true And I don't think it is Yeah, I mean, I I think there's evidence against the idea that it's poop. So you should be okay I'm looking forward to the future where we get z-hulk as well as the transdalorian the search for the gender fluid It'll be great Mando season three trailer look good, but hard pass. I stand with jena They ruined the story the show's story with retconning the end of season two and book of boba fat Dude, you're you're talking to people who thought season one and two was shit. It's always shit like When people like, oh, yeah, it was bad, you know, it was good before but then they made casting choices I didn't like and then like they you know, the story went into direct. It was always crap like I feel bad for people who are like looking to sort of Because like we're very negative right about season three. Is it probably like, yeah, I'm with you. It's like Not quite if you if you go back to our older coverage, you'll be surprised you probably won't agree with us But don't worry about it We're you welcome to join us as we cover Mando season three as well But believe me, I mean you remember it as well as I do right for you We got huge pushback up until halfway through season two. That's where people start to be like, okay fine And people forget I recommend those minis by the way, they took a fucking age to make and You know what after them you can watch the Boba Fett ones and then the Kenobi ones again do it treat yourself With all the disney remakes, do you reckon we will get a weird fairy Robin Hood movie? I'm pretty sure that like a Robin Hood movie is a guarantee. I think that's one of the ones they're working on So yeah I just got my first tattoo for my 23rd birthday. Hey I would ask what's it all but no need to tell hopefully it wasn't too painful and it's super meaningful Quick question. Daredevil is male straight and white, but he's blind So are they allowed to crap on him disabilities for the win? I'm in a wheelchair. I can say it Uh I guess we'll find out uh in What like uh five days Yeah, maybe or should have sued Jane for copyright breach He should have Like while she's dying he serves her these papers and she's like really and he's like well I mean, you know, it was kind of rude what you did I got to protect my brand. Sorry Like my brand waits for no death or whatever Uh Thor should have sued Jane for copyright. Oh, so yeah don save the queen. He would do that. He probably would you Question for Fringy, but any of y'all can answer. How would you rank the likes of Ratatouille or up compared to Incredibles or Wally? Thanks Um, I mean I would put up at the bottom of that list of four like it was four of them Uh, usually Wally's at the top then Incredibles then it'd be Ratatouille and then yeah up Yeah, but I would say the most top three are quite close and up is not that close to those ones I would reflect that I would say that I just need to rewatch them all to be sure. Um you Thunder said Fringy was not too impressed with up. Um, I can't remember if we've talked about it I wasn't um a fan of up myself that much the opening I was impressed with but the rest of it was kind of like, huh? I don't like up either I don't just like It's definitely overrated. I'm pretty sure it's the first Pixar one that got nominated for best picture bullshit Should have been many other films and then fucking Toy Story 3 got nominated for that too bullshit Wow, I'm just saying you know I guess bullshit in the sense that you didn't nominate any of the other ones but those two got that And they got to sit up there with Beauty and the Beast as like the only three animated films to be nominated for best picture Which by the way, it tells you a lot about the biases of like the academy You're telling me that like there've only ever been three animated films that stand up there as best picture again bullshit Uh, hello, nuts. I'm glad you're back. Also. Hi Mueller and man of the goo No, hi Uh, he missed everything. I don't know if that's talking about the video maker or she Hulk or someone else, but Uh, wings quarter the day. No, man. I don't hate the french. That was just something I said because I was frustrated We've all been there Uh, tywin never changed yet. He's the best character He would absolutely be my favorite. And yeah, you're right. He doesn't change throughout all of the four seasons that he's in so That characters are definitely Where's the bonus quiet There was no bonus quote. I'm afraid. Uh, oh, okay. That's all right. It's all right Um, I want to shout out to greg Uh, flura flura. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right aka armored skeptic who recently All but nuked his channel. Everyone go watch his tell me more in history is a lie playlist. They are good rat Also, hi fringy. Are you drinking enough? Well, like am I properly hydrated? I drink a lot of water. Um, I Water bottles I go through them constantly. So I think I'm fairly well hydrated Yeah Or is I know, you know, I'm good to look after that though. Um, maybe they just meant alcohol-wise and I Yeah, no, I just You're fired on that regard too as for a armor skeptic. I didn't know he nuked his uh armor skeptic sort of stuff Hope he's doing all right Marty McFly does not have a character arc in the first back to the future movie yet. He's still an awesome character Yeah It's pretty common Is one of the things ifa tries to get people to unlearn because It is good Standard advice that your character your main character and whatever you're making has an arc people like it That's not an untrue statement. However It got chewed up and spat back out by a lot of people as once a if a character does not have an arc That's bad Which is not. Yeah, which is not true To the point of people being unable to recognize like the value of static characters or what is interesting about a character beyond their arcs and stuff Um Yeah, but examples like that are helpful in helping people that go. Oh, yeah, true. Right. Okay. Yeah Jack Sparrow's another one where it's like, oh shit. Yeah villains in general A lot of our action heroes are pretty static Yeah, it was Thanos's arc in Infinity War, huh? Oh, yeah I mean there's that too a lot of stories will have static characters that are important to contrast with the characters who do change And what if the point is that the character doesn't change? What if the point is that they're always right or what if the point is that they're tragic and that they don't change when they need to Plenty of reasons for a character not to change Yeah, James Bond doesn't typically arc at all. I think there are some films where it could be argued Oh, yeah, sometimes Bond has an arc, but a lot of the time these are pretty fixed Count making fun of past characters like Iron Man and Doctor Strange calling them selfish Hulk being a prankster and petty I wonder if they would have done these things Those past characters were women um, well like Ruining them in like posts and stuff. I mean they did it to black widow. So then again, I don't that wasn't on purpose. Yeah Whereas like making it so that Iron Man didn't have like a pension fund for the Avengers They chose to do that. Yeah, they made him an asshole. So This show should have covered legal minutiae in a world that has things like magic mind control and shape shift Is capable of framing people or what happens when black bolt accidentally commits murder Yeah, dude, it's a it is a feat to actually Pretend as though for a second like the amount of changes that would be made would be insane Uh the amount of the law you'd have to go through but they just want to play They just want to play around Pretty much A sorcerer supreme show exploring the effects of magic being revealed on the world would be way more interesting than the schlock They've been making Yeah If the police showed up to kamatage Uh with whatever notices that they need and warrants and stuff and then you know wong is actually dragged into like an interrogation Uh, and he entertains it but then tries to escape and he actually maybe does but you know The The implications that you I'm thinking in my head like this could be a very serious show. This wouldn't necessarily be a comedy at all We can't do that though in the mcu. There's got to be we've got to have them yucks and laughs And like god, you can set it up too, but they just don't care like imagine in multi-verse madness Let's pretend multi-verse madness happens exactly the way it does and that we thought it was a good film I know it's difficult but bear with me in the middle of the gargantoss fight when he defeats it He's like he wants to deal with america the police show up and they're like, uh, doctor strange Like we need to speak to you about the whatever this one He's just like Ignores them and goes through the portal You could do stuff like that a couple of times died throughout the movies and then you can have someone like cite all of them examples Be like you guys are fucking around too much. You know, I guess what I'm saying is I kind of like do civil war but We'll be the point They just ignore it anyway, so whatever Uh She-hulk is so bad in a meta sense that it got sitch to rise from the grave and make a video nice Also, you dumbo should play ddlc. It'll be neat Sitch has made a second video Sitch hasn't made a video for like 10 years and he's made two because of she-hulk He's very upset with she-hulk a lot of people are Uh, harvey birdman had more law in it than she-hulk Um, I am unfamiliar I feel sorry for wang in msu series to be fair wang hasn't been great in his recent outings and a lot of stuff not just uh she-hulk Adley Just sort of a new portal problem They can make perpetual energy one infinitely falling object could create infinite potential energy like metal rod passing through magnets could create electricity It is I I was gonna say earlier. I didn't want to get into how much it changes everything to have They can open portals the size of like You know a crane and and you can move things instantly to wherever you need Do you know how much that changes just everything? That's just insane But no, it's just a thing that allows wang to get into high security prisons and not get In trouble for that yeah That wang would just confess to a crime in front of a parole board and then just yeets himself He's like, yeah, see you later And he can come back in the next episode. That's fine. They acknowledged it and that's enough They very weirdly treated as though wang is just a dumbass alien from like a world where he like he just couldn't possibly know About any of this when it's like, oh, he's human by the way, right? I don't know if you knew that He lives in the world. Yeah, he grew up. He existed in the world. He grew up there He knows about american culture like the wear of law He lives in america But like it's so odd that they they treat him as though he's from a different dimension and he's like, you know Book of laws. What are you talking about? I don't want And yeah, um places that are flooding Imagine you open a portal and then put the other portal into a place that has like drought And you just move the portal around so it's just, you know You're essentially watering a country with the water that's got too much in another country Which by the way could have drastic effects that i'm unaware of because i'm not Really enough with how water works in different blahblahs, but We needed addressed shortly, you know I can't believe there wouldn't be a huge amount of humanitarians aware of like this power And they're just like you're not using it to help anyone you selfish bastard Uh Watch 30 second video she Hulk deleted seen by crack back Perhaps I shall at some point If you want to make a funny lawyer show watch boston legal All right, pretty sure that they would have been likely inspired by that. Um, yeah That's why I thought that's where I thought the show was going to go It was going to be like boston legal with superheroes, but you know I'm maybe like A lot of things you can pull from like it doesn't need to be like law and order or something where you're trying to Play it like totally straight There is uh, there are there are options within that uh That framework, but It's it's barely like a legal show It's like pretending to be one Um, should have made a live action harvey birdman show also hi whiz rags he shall return don't you worry We don't need to make a live action harvey birdman. We got harvey birdman It is the show that it was the animated show Yeah guys don't wish for things like that No, it'll happen. It's uh, it's just yeah, like it's it does seem to be that attitude It's like ah, see you had like the little animated thing and that's whatever Uh, but but we're doing our live action one our live action one that is like less dynamic and interesting visually Then the animated one produced on a much smaller budget Huh No, no, no, no, no, she's dexter. She's actually triggering. Oh, I hope you survived I hope you made it through I work in logistics portals would absolutely change the world imagine instant teleportation of goods materials personnel at little real cost I think it's very cool. It no cost honestly It's basically no cost Like can you imagine if you just portaled like giant shipping containers across the world and instead of having to ship them across the ocean You know like weeks of travel time or or even like a train you don't even need that anymore You can just portal them everywhere You could play hell divers for efab gaming. It's a fun twin stick shooter Perhaps we will Apparently they got the guy who directed one division for the new Fantastic four movies. So that's disappointing also high-fringled Hey, it was going to be john watson people complained and then they realized like oh, wait a minute What if we get somebody who? Like what if we got somebody else And now look one division You get what you deserve. Hey the direction in one division was fine Oh sure, but again directors are ultimately responsible for like the narrative to to some extent So Yeah Hello everyone else since no rags. I just got here and I already can't stand this chick So here's some money for my two queens and kings. Keep it up. What is that? Thanks for the money Hulk when fighting abomination shatarian villains confident and determined hulk when confronted with jan backing up doing oan grady pose Who's oan grady? All right, then oh, it's it's the character from uh Jurassic world. Oh, right. Yeah I'm all right. I just call him chris pratt I was gonna say I never would have fucking guessed that I I've always called him chris pratt as well. I think of that, baby Hmm anger and fear the baseline wait a women's sith is that why ray bugged out? Well, at least you get powers that's pretty neat James bond portrays portrayals ranked I guess they're asking to rank the james bonds Well for me it would be p.s. Brosnan shorn connery Then it gets murky because I need to rewatch the performances to know for sure but um Timothy Dalton and roger moore are gonna be tough to put one or the other because I wasn't as much of a fan of A goofier james bond, but I still like roger moors We'll probably put that next Then Timothy Dalton, then george laser being now i'm gonna figure where I put craig and all of that It's somewhere But the problem is I'm not as much of a fan of the fact that he hates playing the role and you could detect that in a lot of his scenes Uh Really how you playing the role? Yeah, and he said something like you'd have to pay me a shit ton to come back Uh, because it's like worse than fucking my eyes bleeding or something, but he did come back. Oh my god Yeah, there's some quote. Wow something like that um Uh, yeah, I'm not sure where I place craig exactly um I don't know. I I Bechter was miserable to watch. I hadn't seen spectre like at all And I watched it for the first time. I want to say like half a year ago Something like that and man, I was surprised that film is fucking terrible Um, and I completely missed it Casino royale's good and then quanta was saw us like, oh no And then skyfall like people really like I think fan-savvy wise We're still kind of air and then spectre was hideous And then no time to die is like what a disjointed series of movies that he was a part of craig hated playing 007. Yeah I I would have to think about it. I really don't know where to place in the something of Boris that video is great Um, but yeah, I don't know if any of you three have a different or Interesting take on bond if you want to do that or Well, I'm not really competent. I just have seen craig's movies, but I like casino royale though Everybody does overrated Yeah, that's a good one Everyone likes casino royale because it was good It's also a break it down. Uh, it was like really meaningfully made the other ones are like a mess I like vesper. Is that her name? She's a great character. I liked her Yeah, and as some people are saying like casino royale, it's fucking great And it was a great sort of reboot and everyone's really excited and then it just went to shit I don't understand. I didn't I really hyped myself up for skyfall because people really like like that one But I didn't get it Um, I liked it, uh, and I can't remember why I'd have to rewatch it. I think it might have appealed to me because uh I was growing up with a p.s. Brosnan era. So having That movie like represented the end of saying goodbye to m for like the older bondier as well and um almost the passing over and Re-establishing of like the I remember isn't it supposed to try and argue like it's binding the timelines in a sense um Or something it plays with the idea of doing that But I just remember kind of being disappointed but not like I dis disliked it. It was just not as good as I Thought it would be Um Even if bruce is understanding and agrees with her it's still bad writing that doesn't make sense in canon Yeah, it's really weird to appeal to being like a character in the writing you don't like is agreeing with the writing like Yeah, I know Of anything Um, if she gets cat called so much, why can't she get a date on matcha? Uh She can't they're just all horrible idiots. That's that's the unfortunate thing Somehow Dude, I don't even know what they were going for with that Like Anyone good-looking except for that one guy the the big buff one Yeah, and then he turns out to be like hyper masculine or whatever and she's like, oh no At that, uh, once she uses the she-hull persona, she meets like literally the most perfect person ever He's just like I uh, he says everything perfectly. It is perfect. It's just like What are you saying show? I don't know. It's interesting Um Why did he need an inhibitor in the show if he's always angry but in control? I guess we can finally commit suicide after watching she-hulk Listen to try to draw a fucking through line on what his deal with the hulk is throughout all of this I don't even know What I do know is that um As far as I'm aware like They're getting aren't they getting the rights reverting eventually for uh the hulk to be able to make solo movies with him in the mcu Maybe yeah, maybe Once they get that You have to wonder what they're gonna do They're definitely gonna Exploit it. They're gonna world war hulk probably Hell I'm three episodes into hot d and I haven't had a conversation about that show that hasn't devolved This is something along the lines of really brannis king or what do you mean? She forgot about the iron fleet It's haunting that show and it's gonna have to work really hard to escape the shadow of season 8 of game of thrones Maybe it can do it Jennifer waltz is such a bad lawyer even chris chan jumped out of a courthouse window to get away from here They cover bs arguments in coming. Yeah, there's a few Uh Respect and that's a re trauma survivors being the last to downplay someone else's troubles Many stories of people in therapy getting validated by those who survived way worse than they did Yeah, it's uh, I think that was a fair point to make and it's it felt really odd that she was defending She even highlighted that she felt it was a valid thing to think that bruce's Experiences were being downplayed by the episode and it's true. They were Not something that you would ever expect someone you do in uh jen's position um I'm sorry veteran that has ptsd and sore old friends die. I skinned my elbow so I can control my emotions better than you Hmm Lady looks like she ate a wasp or two Bloody hope not Bruce people build n-word towers in my chat Well, like that's what she complains about in my stream like Mola, please make it stop. It's like I'm wings of redemption and this is CU dex tuesday and her video our call of duty. Please. I beg you make it stop Hey What was her advice if you if you don't like it you can just not watch it, you know, that's the solution run away Be afraid and helpless and then you'll hulk out So it wasn't long sorcerer supreme flight five plus years before he broke blonsky out of prison in shang chi Like how was that required training to get a job he had for half a decade? I don't know I thought he was sorcerer supreme the second the strange wasn't But apparently he's only been sorcerer supreme for like a week or something. I don't even know I would have to check the timeline one that they definitely don't care about um Well, you might want to check the color on your screen that girl's glasses should have been rose colored Oh, I get it very good Ra we need your spicy form back for this one Jen punching bruce in the face. It's actually hard to watch. He's calm and trying to talk rationally And she hits him as hard as she can for speaking. It's horrible And it was left out of her analysis, which was interesting You'd think that would be considered one of the worst things she does in the whole episode, wouldn't you? Because um physical violence not cool, right? I think we're all on board of that Uh physical intelligence is a fantasy psychology term for athletic aptitude e.g. Great hand-eye coordination. It exists. She's still using it wrong I was about to say I don't think she meant that when she said that Yeah, I doubt it Um, uh-oh eFap's covering a female time to reset the days since last eFap spent xx hours covering a girl What a bunch of sexist tweet counter To be fair, I think we found out it doesn't work for anybody, but jenny that was the only person it worked for And I think it's just about how many people are already subscribed to her or any given creator we cover because uh Yeah, I don't think anybody's ever brought up that we've covered it anytime that those tweets happen They never bring up that we've covered other women. It's only just it's her. She was the one we weren't allowed to cover Very straight Nice of jay and nutzer to let the eFap boys on the show today. Yeah. Thank you. I mean for you enjoyed it Everybody was harmed by the making of this video Oh Emile was such a good guy he beats women. Yeah, um, emile does punch like a lady at some point an incredible hulk, right? um Is that near the beginning I can't remember he does a couple of things that are really dodgy in terms of just like What who is this guy? But i'm assuming that uh as the season goes on We're gonna find out that he's uh, he's he's doing Yeah, yeah I'm so glad to see that rosemary kennedy has her own channel now Don't know who that is Fiona from shrack is the best green woman Yeah, I agree with that. Fiona was pretty cool But a lot of green women get um get jealous of how much she was beloved, you know, they're trying to steal his star power Toxic women often make suffering into competition See you could even make that a part of the uh of the show not toxic women just toxic people Yeah, you could have her have a friend Which by the way, I I maintain that her friend is a bad friend throughout this whole season. She's been a bad person Everything that the friend says I encourages her to indulge in the superficial and ignore like the meaningful things that she finds to be troublesome about her job He's yeah, like remember how she got a new job and she like jen tells her the only reason I got this job was because i'm hulk and she's like Yeah, but look at all the stuff it got us like wow Mm-hmm Uh e-fab every frame of patriarchy. Yeah Hello crazy cat lady e-fab appreciates the view Oh, wait, who's who's being called the crazy cat lady is the video in the video You have cats possibly Uh first super chat I've watched all of e-fab after finding you through jay's truss video I'm going to be in college. So I'll stop watching for a while. I wanted to show my support before leaving Well, thank you very much Uh have fun in college, I suppose What do you hate more storm breaker being jealous of mjolnir or wander's justification for killing america chavez being what if they get sick? Uh the latter probably I think anyway storm breaker being jealous of a hammer is annoying But like surely wander saying she's got to kill someone in case her kids get sick with Multiversal aids. It's just like the most stupid as shit Yeah, I'll go with the latter. Uh, I look forward to the severed dong necklace art You know that now that they've said that someone's gonna be like, I'll draw it. It's like I mean I was thinking of a universal soldier at doff london in the ear necklace. I had a feeling Every woman online ever well this one time a crazy dude scared me and people were mean to me On the internet. So I'm basically a modern and frank I I think the first times I saw people Pointing it out as being like a horrible horrible thing that happens was like the feminist frequency stuff way back when I remember being so surprised because I had already spent Many years on xbox live and I was like, oh it gets way worse than that And then it like got traction and I was like, oh shit people are actually surprised that this happens I forgot that not everybody realizes this is normal And it's still kind of normal. It's gonna be tough to erase that entirely from the internet real tough I smell serious Uh, I don't know what that is like a little emoji of a blue It doesn't tell me what it is. I smell serious something on this girl's story I'm gonna assume it's supposed to be bullshit or something like that The guy who threw the tv at her friend was like the hulk It's he who would be more in control of hulk's powers not here for having seen it Wait, what? Throwing the tv. I think I think that the Probably a sign needs a little added control. You wouldn't want to destroy a tv or throw a tv at a loved one That's not gonna result in good things More have you guys considered bringing gliders onto nude rotic just like shad to cover house the dragon or would that be too many people? Um, well, I can I can pass the idea to nude rotic and obviously the gliders if they're interested both of them Then perhaps we shall Especially for um, once the finale is I imagine I'll stream as well for that because that'll be People are gonna want to know what I thought once that show comes to an end Bringy look up tarantula hawks worse than spiders No, I'm not gonna do that. Why did they make that tarantula hawks god? What do you want to? He's like what I don't know man just He was a little bit scared It doesn't look exact I thought it was gonna be like a tarantula with wings It looks a little different than that, but still I don't I don't know why you needed to make that, you know Stop it Mubla I've been reminded you must fix your highlights playlist eventually and jenna says remind usually he's a fleam So bam, you're a fleam Bam. All right. That's that part's true. And yes, I do need to fix the highlights I will cut out some time to do that like a full day at some point. I swear Uh 2d anime girls are better than western women damn They'll never love you like western women will though those 2d anime girls The show could have been hilarious They could have done counseling with bruce at the end of each episode reviewing triggers for her temper meetings office Copia losing a court case something steals someone steals a parking spot and smash cut to bruce They could have done so much. You're absolutely correct. The format didn't have to be this nonsense You didn't even have to really make it about law even though she's a lawyer yet. That could have been later At first you could have just made it all about being a hulking maintaining her job Which could have been lower level, right? She could have been like a pencil pusher or whatever they call them for the equivalent for law um Then yeah, you she gets better at dealing with lower level stresses And then it gets hotter and hotter and you know, that's the progression you make for the show Instead we have someone burst through a fucking wall and throw a table at the jury for no reason That was interesting that never got justified Nor did we expect it to um It's jello bird man. The world is made of jello any comment ringing What the world can you settle one again? They're trying to correct you the saying it's jello. The world is made of jello I thought we settled this It's jelly jello is a brand There is jelly in jam We have trapped the poor americans on subjects like that so many times I'm starting to feel guilty like with the wallets or um or with the day month year thing or with the coins Our cultures are just so much better, you know But it's okay, we forgive you for being wrong Because we're kind Don't leave us with fringy. He's scaring the hose God Is there garden work being done? I don't understand If you're so anxious you have to calculate the distance between buildings to go for a walk you need counseling You shouldn't normalize that if fear and anger are your baseline seek help That I mean that's not even like Insensitive that's that's that is important if you have that level of concern and worry about like everything you do Everywhere you go. It's like you probably should talk to people about it professionals Might just help you out I once read about the symptoms of liver failure and one of them is the yellowing of the eyes fringy cared a way in Hmm. I don't know like it's it's I don't I don't have to explain myself to you Oh Found it a little bit defensive No, that's if you want to read it that into it unless you're prerogative I love how we're called incels for not liking the show yet simultaneously all of us men are hypocrites for calling she hulk a whore because we Because we men sleep around laugh my ass off Okay, to be fair. I don't think she mentioned either of those words in this review I don't think she did no And uh, I have not yet been called an incel for disliking she hulk But I'm sure it's to be fair. It may have happened already without my knowledge. But hey, you know Um, is she threatening him? Afraid I don't know to which part you're referring to I think she meant the uh, would she uh Track that guy down for the comment on her channel. Oh Yeah, that was definitely a threat When she said like don't don't post stuff like that with your real name or this will happen. It's like, oh shit. All right Um Lollipop lollipop. Oh lolly lolly lolly lolly pop. That's kevin feige's brain apparently All right Well, I'm doing what this woman is suggesting and not watching she hulk However, as a fan of she hulk, I could see how she hulk fans might make the mistake of thinking they were the target audience Yeah, you could you could see that happening. Yes Uh, do you have wind ambience on stream wall or I can hear it through my headphones on high volume And it stops when I pause the stream Yes, there is wind ambience. That's legal legends. I'm I'm sorry about that. Hopefully it's not too bad to hear wind I'll get rid of it for a second I think that did it. Okay It's not very loud for me, but it's loud if you like you guys apparently is it good Everyone on this stream is more dumb for hearing this. I'll give you zero points and may god have mercy on your soul Fair enough Uh, why does fringy say nog as often as he does Nog That's what it says. I don't know. Do you say nog a lot like like egg nog? Yeah I don't think so It's a strange one, but all right Uh goblin slayer falls apart after episode one just like mando. Also the one piece fruit weakness isn't can't swim You are incapacitated by salt water What does that mean in compared like like you go limp or you go unconscious because Hmm Again this fruit better taste amazing. Otherwise, I'm never gonna agree to this Also, sorry to hear that about goblin slayer, but uh, perhaps there will be an argument about that in chat. Who knows Well, why are you a plushie? Also? Why is fringy a bird who is neither a frog nor a plague doctor? Also? Why is j long bone baby Yoda, but blue? Is that You got your vaginas mixed up I think I am a plushie because there is a plushie available of me and fringy right now I think there might be a link in the description of this video unless I didn't do it Either way you can find it through makeshift and fringy or molla in in a little google search Here it is. Look on screen beautiful Just five days rebating to get a part of this This cute and cuddly little version of B And of course springy Yeah Yes We we got a lot of people saying like what we're gonna do again I missed out. It's like just just gonna let you guys know as as time picks lower and lower than uh They are still available thunder's been linking them in chat. Thank you very much Still still there ready to be grabbery noted if so do you wish to Um, I think we need a Lord of the Rings trilogy in which Frodo and Sam become miserable and jaded in the phrase somehow Sauron returned is uttered Yeah, let's do it All at the sequel trilogy To the Lord of the Rings but everything happens again For some reason new pitch for disney plus buber foot fetish All right Yeah, you can go why not I suppose go to chance The barabara fruit grants you the power to detach and reattach parts of your body at will rendering you immune to cutting damage But you can't swim okay Immune to cutting damage, but you can't swim Um, I man, I feel like swimming is gonna be more useful in general I just can't imagine how often like I just don't get cut that often, you know And and swimming is cool. I like I think I'll just avoid the fruit. I'm all right If I need to be able to be immune to being cut I might Uh, I often sit back and imagine what new content we could have had instead of all fandoms being destroyed by bad writing Yeah, yeah, it's uh, we're on we're on that timeline in the multiverse. I'm afraid I know there are better ones out there, but that's okay. Okay. We got some good stuff Is it fair to tell people if you don't like it don't watch it play it or consume it? Um You have to find out what their motivation is for watching in the first place For example, I've got many but one of them is that it's our job Not really like Fuck with that. It's just like, yeah, so but what else have I got? It's like, well, I was invested in this thing before it went to shit Uh, I'm still vaguely invested in some of the characters that remain I'm invested in the discussion that happens related to these things Uh, you know culturally I find it fun to talk with people about it whether or not I enjoy it Then there's the fact that I think it's really good as an avenue or vehicle to talk about writing in general With people whether or not I enjoy it So, you know When you tackle all of them and you just go, yeah, well if you don't enjoy it Don't watch it because like that doesn't deal with any of the things that I just said, so But if you have someone who says uh, uh, I simply want to enjoy a story and I choose the ones that I know I won't like Then yeah, you can point out that that's probably not wise They could have portaled an asteroid on Wanda's head They could have done a lot of things Yeah Any chance you guys will continue your discussion on what makes the story that you had during the anniversary I'd love to hear that debate when you guys are at full energy. Also Gotham high five when Uh, Gotham. Hi. I'm still working on that. It's almost finished the last part. Um, I just I have to get Oh god, I have to get these last two Uh, she hulk reactions out first and then after that I'm just gonna leave it to my editor to do the rest of the episodes and then I'm gonna get back to working on Uh, Gotham high part five And then I'm gonna release the full version after that we Uh, as for the discussion on what makes a story what you'll find is you'll just we'll keep that'll keep coming up every once in a while Uh, obviously me fringing rags are pretty much on the same Page on exactly what makes a story on what makes a good story But a lot of our guests will line up in terms of results, but not quite in terms of workings So we'll uh, we'll eventually have discussions here and then it'll just keep going because the idea that we will definitively and Most convincingly crack what is a story and what is a good story that is I doubt it, but uh Hopefully we can enjoy the conversations along the way with all different points of view and creators Exactly Um, I recently rewatched the really the Lego movie and it's a lot better than I remember Phil lord and chris miller as a creative duo are as creative a duo as they come I agree. I really like the lego movie. I was surprised by it Yeah, it's a it's a great movie. I think a lot of people were surprised by it actually and it's like oh shit There's like good rain. Oh, yeah, you you don't expect and what seems like an ad for lego to uh to To um, you know beat like a story with a really meaningful message that ties in really well to what lego is about Mm-hmm Would you ever take commissions for script doctoring work i.e. read breakdown and recommend changes? Um, it's something that I thought about but it's just that I just do not have the time or a way to sort of Dole it out fairly in an inland balanced way. I would have to commit to that being a job probably Um, as opposed to the one I run now, which is my preferred job Thought about it, but probably not A skyfall did that stupid thing that every movie did after avengers where gasp the villain actually wanted to be captured I don't know if that's fair just because he did it similarly Time to when the joker did it who similarly time to when there was a third example I remember there was three that everybody. Oh Loki and avengers I'm pretty sure those are the three um It's okay. You can judge them all individually for how they did it and whether or not it was believable and stuff I don't think we should we should be careful shitting on something like that Too hard when it's like it because you know for all we know they wrote those things individually of each other They had no idea the others were doing it But just it just feels a little bit unfair but um I'm pretty sure skyfall's execution is something you can just shit on really Uh obscure general of the day pseudonius Paulinus illness Why you why what? Like what would you want to do with the general of the day? What what do I Uh See he was he was a roman general best known as the commander who defeated the rebellion of buddhika Little is known of his family, but it came likely came from pisarum a town in Adriatic coast of italy. He's not known to be related to the biographers pseudonius Okay I hope he's a cool dude Um j long bone covers fictional darling then efab covers fictional darling I finally rest and watch the sunrise of a grateful universe. Thanks so much for covering her. She needed to be stopped Too bad rags missed out. You're welcome Hope you cover her again one day. Maybe we will who knows and yeah, it was uh, I would say Day long bones coverage is probably what primarily inspired me to think you know what I'd like to talk about this stuff on the olfap And uh, yeah, right rags did miss out on this one. I'm sure he regrets that hugely. He would have loved to have watched that video 100% Um Two full fems plus two half fems. This is now femfap Very well fine with that I'm so traumatized by my robo husband dying better kill for my imaginary children fucking wander. Yeah Yeah Don't worry. There's less and less people defending that movie as time goes on which is next As a colonial heathen we apologize for the boston tea party. We should have pre boiled the ocean before adding the tea bad form True. That's how you bank the best tea Mola why are your eyes still red? Uh bloodshaw I think Also, why is nuts a blue? I don't know either Also if fringy is green and nuts are is blue. Are they safe to say the n word? I don't know. I don't know how the rules were Check the list Uh thoughts on dc 52 series animated movies love the e-fab and watching since episode 72 cool Uh glad to have seen any of those movies I don't know if I've seen any of them. I don't even know what dc 52 refers to exactly Uh, the new 52 was like the reboot continuity back in 2011 for DC it's like the first big reboot of that continuity and I think it's over already Like they changed their mind That was what flashpoint did flashpoint was like set up new 52 as the continuity And then I think they did rebirth because they changed their minds on it Oh, yeah, I wouldn't be able to say I don't know Um But I just saw top gun maverick again And I think it's really good other than bad sam placements. I can't think of much wrong with it fight me fringy Oh my oh I mean, I think I've said I'm I'm just not a fan of that third act Well, I really liked I I still liked the movie a lot and I was enjoying it a lot up until that point I just think the third act kind of lets it down I still haven't seen it though I should probably I mean it's available now on uh on non-cinema. I think it's available. Yeah Alrighty, uh I hate the feminist's argument that fear of men is justified because some men are bad Okay, is fear of black people okay because fbi crime statistics, of course not. Why is this bigotry excused? I would like I would have said I I always opted to prefer To appeal to bad human nature or good human nature. I make lessons about that instead of any particular grouping unless of course it's like you know groupings that are like Really bad organizations, of course. I don't mean like all groupings of all kinds Uh, sorry if that seems like a non sequitur behind in the stream by four hours and got to the part where shulk says women live in fear of men Yeah, um, as we were saying that that line and the the comparison line They were they were causing her a lot of trouble for trying to break this down in like a fairer understanding way In a weird way, I have to think bank rings of rings of power made me go on a Lord of the Rings binge Phil Dragash's audiobook is superb. I highly recommend it I'm not even 100 clear on what that is. Uh, but Is that like an audiobook for the Lord of the Rings books? I'm guessing um, it's typically her reddit Uh, yeah, I because I was gonna say I think there's a whole bunch of different people you can get for the audiobook for Lord of the Rings, right? It would make sense because it's like one of the most famous books of all time. So Um, that'll be interesting to know. What is the most audiobooked book ever Maybe the bible It'd probably be the bible, right? Yeah Well in any case that is it for super chats. We are caught up Oh boy, obviously not in total, but we're gonna wait until rags is back before we tackle any more of the backlog Um, but before we head out, I would have to give a huge thanks to our two guests today of which The first is Jay Longbone and would you like to tell everybody why they are horrible people if they haven't subscribed to you already? Well, uh Oh, well, I got some more of course, uh, she-hulk reactions coming out. I'm doing episode two and three at once So it's taken a little longer to come out, but I think it might be out this week Like or maybe early this week And then there's like I said the final installation of Gotham High. That's gonna be out soon because it's basically finished Uh, and then I'm gonna come out with like the full version after that the whole hour and 20 minutes. I think You know and I got other stuff too, but it's mostly that for right now Wait, um, I was gonna say we often get people being like when are they gonna make more of the You know the the the the Gotham High stuff, but I'm just like Do it in time Don't want to rush. They control nothing These males control nothing. I control the Gotham High Unbelievable ridiculous Um, also, I just saw someone in a chat, uh, say missed my super chat. I just checked your name You're the one who asked is it fair to tell people if you don't like it watch it play a consumer We went through that one. Um I was gonna say I would try and repeat what we said, but I'm gonna be honest with you There was a lot of things just you have to scroll back. I'm afraid but yes, uh You should subscribe to Jay Longbone's channel If not for her own content You'll find that myself rags and metal pop up there every once in a while Are you doing on the um the porn that we watched? Whatever you want to call that All right, that has been recorded in catalog and it's waiting for me to edit And I'll get to that after you got the highest finish. Are you planning on forcing mean rags to watch the new one that came out? Shit probably Maybe complete the series Well, I was gonna say as well. It'll be fun for you to know I think I already told you this but uh, it'll be october 1st It'll be the start of we're releasing the arc that we recorded last year if you remember Those are fun little horror movies. They're finally coming out Fun to see yeah Um, well, yeah, it's sweet. There's a link in description. Subscrizzle the other guest we had today Nutsa returning since if I've won I want to say 98 97 who's one of those ones, but um Yeah, hey, how are you? How are you doing and why should people subscribe to your channel? well Doing fine and Because I'm a woman. I don't know what that was going to do Anyway, yeah, I don't know All right Yeah, I'm tired lots of media analysis breakdowns fun editing coverage of all kinds of topics Yeah, I could have I could literally have not seen the your channel page and said that and probably have been right because that's a lot a lot of people do but That's a special because We have covered you and as was pointed out chat a lot of fun and sprucey editing Exciting edgy content opinions that you don't expect to find from any places may not link also in description Uh Yeah, of course. Thank you both for for joining us Briny was there anything you wanted to mention? Uh, no right now. I'm just still working I'll have something soon Uh A couple more have come in. I'll just read them real fast. Which would you rather have doctor stranger sling ring or mr Fantastic's personal teleportation device. Oh sling ring easily I don't trust devices that Turn me into like weird stuff and then push me into the place Right whereas a portal. Yeah, you don't have to worry about your continuity of consciousness Yeah, portal's nice and clean and just walk through done done done Uh If you had to pick just a few what floors would you cite in lord the rings trilogy? We used to I used to know these better. I need to rewatch them. There's a couple of just Normalish ones that I usually mention But now I'm like We can failing to remember them um You know what watch watch the there's an efab movies trilogy Of of us going through them and I'm pretty sure me wolf and rags talk a little bit about some of the floors we come across uh Here and there as we go through We obviously consider it a flaw that gimley wanted to kill froto and sam. That was terrible. That was though. It shouldn't have been in the movie Don't panic anybody who doesn't understand that's a meme, but yes, there's uh, there's lots of things I think that do Uh perk up here and there that we Have issues with I think I just I would have to rewatch them to get to Uh citing them better But like I said until then you could probably enjoy the efab movies trilogy on them And with that I will say is the end of the stream. Thank you so much for joining us Hope you guys all have a good night. Thank the kind messages the company and the Very kind donations me and fringy shall return with rags at some point Exactly when I'm not a hundred percent sure something will happen on wednesday um And we'll be trying to get caught up on super chats, uh offline and online. I think so Yeah, thank you all for joining us. I suppose we shall see you next time Good night. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye