 Good morning, Mr. President. Hello, Arthur. How are we? Oh, I'm tired this morning. This rat race down here is going to go on forever, I'm afraid. You've got a nice little cubby hole for me to crawl in here. Yeah, sure, I have. I just about had it down here. My high hopes for this organization, I thought you were an anti-UN man. And I was a UN man. But my high hopes are becoming very, very death. Well, I hope I didn't run over you much yesterday. Oh, no, no, no, I want to say something to you about that. You made exactly the right decision. But I wanted you to have all of the relevant facts. And I feel that you are under any pressure from me. I concur in what your decision was. The way I put it to McBundie was that you had to balance the international complications with our domestic and other requirements. And I was quite satisfied with that decision. I want you to know that. They told me it's all 51, 49 against me. I said, I'll make mine 52, 48. You know, I carefully took all the boys here for the lowest political option. And I said, you're under no restraints because of me or because of anybody else. And you go ahead and express yourself. Everybody expresses themselves, you see? And which I encouraged. And then I told Mc what the report was. But that's between the two of us. Had I been in your place, I would have made exactly the same decision. I wanted you to know that. Well, thank you, you're my friend. I thought there's two things. I thought, first of all, we'd already made that decision. Yes, and we would have been inconsistent. And the second thing is I think if you don't try to get somebody to do something that can use any influence with them as we're going to have to down the road with counseling of these people, we would not join with all their enemies and repudiate them in public and bounce them around. You did exactly the right thing. No sweat as far as I was concerned, frankly. Well, I was afraid you and Rusk and Bundy said he came out 51, 49 against me. I said, well, we just make hours 52, 49. Well, it just illustrates the old Truman doctrine, you know, that the bucks passing stops here. I was eating lunch with a bunch of businessmen, about 20 businessmen on the tax belts. That's something I want to talk to you about, that sure as hell does worry me. All of our economists in the government say we're going to have a hell of a big spurt this last time. But they missed the first day. Now, every business man I talked to yesterday with DuPont, now went right down the list. Every business man, yes, steal all of my table. They say they ordered all of anything, but a sluggish secondhand. And I said, keep coming in, throw a tax bill on quick. God knows what happened. Yet we've got a $25 billion deficit. You have to have a tax bill, Mr. President. You cannot be the president that, you know, builds up this time. The war is going on. You remember back in the early days of the Kennedy administration, when he had a step up to the military budget. You remember, I advocated the tax increase then. I was heller, and everybody was against it. I still am of the same mind. I think, when the country is at war and we're at war, that it can absorb another bill. And you will not dampen the business activity, because, after all, this additional expenditure is pumping a lot of money into the economy. And businessmen are always best. If you listen to their advice all the time, they get right. They're always preaching glue. And I don't have the orders, but the country is rolling around in a great shape. And you have to watch for the total interest of the country. And I don't think you can, in good conscience, come out with a deficit of that type. What's happening in New York, in that hell? Pardon? What's happening in New York, New Jersey, in that hell? That's the most terrible thing. I got sick to the stomach when I saw those pictures last night. Did you see television last night? No. Oh, I'll tell you, that's going to be distributed around the world. And it was, I'm glad the governor stepped in, because the local people didn't know out of him. The police were, the scenes were, the outbreak was terrible. The scenes of what happened, the police didn't handle it right until the governor moved in. It was one hell of a mess. Are you going to send a personal representative to cooperate with the governor? No, the attorney general says we've got two people up there with the, from the community relations service, who are the best people in bringing these groups together, kind of mediators. He says that for the president to get into it, he was calling me yesterday, and I told him that. Oh, did the governor call you? Yeah, I told him I'd give him full support. I told him I'd give him help and support. Let me know what he needed to do. But then the attorney general called him and said, better for the president to stay farther away from him. And he said, the funny thing, there's a psychology in these riots among these people that are full of dope and all worked up at Margaret anyway. Sure. That if the president says he'll cooperate, or he will support them, or he will consider any requests they have to make. They immediately get the word started that the president is going to intervene and go after us, take after us, and they have a great, they build up a great imagination in their own minds that the big power of the big white man on top of the hill is coming after him. He said he found that out in Selma, Alabama, and also found it out in Watts. So he says to me to stay. I did talk to you and told him to go ahead and we'd help him any way he wanted to, anything we had. Shouldn't he have a little happy nons? Yeah, he did, on the paper this morning. Well, that's the main thing to show concern. And then it's up to the governor. And I think, of course, the hell of it is, after he's arrested for 500, he's going to start indicting them all and driving them Monday. They say, hell of a man. I don't know what's going to happen. The hell of a man. You know? They say they've got reports that's going to spread in other cities in New Jersey. They say they just a bunch of local gangsters are starting. Well, it doesn't take much, you know, when there are discontents to fan the fires. And that's one of the reasons sometimes I feel that with all the frustrations with these little countries down here, we have to be understanding of their problems. Sure do, sure do. And I think you do a wonderful job of it. You're more patient than I could be. I just can't, I just don't see how you're as patient as you are and understanding as you are. But you've got that kind of philosophy and you were born for it and you grew up and so you've got to help those can't help themselves. That's the main thing. I want to give you a little rundown about the scenario down here. Good. We're through with this thing. I know it's going to happen and that's why your abstention decision was a wise one. In about three or four days, the Russians are going to come in with a complaint to the Security Council to invoke economic or possibly military sanctions against Israel because they won't rescind this legislation. And we'll just have to stand up against it. In the meantime, we're trying to get this assembly over. The Russians are desperate to pull something out, anything out. Now, I'm in the dirt, but we're not going to abandon the basic principles that you have stood for. I want to draw my conversation with Sabrina. There was a word yesterday through the secretariat that they wanted to talk to me. I'm surprised he didn't call me directly. I don't go running after them. I don't believe that's dignified. But if they want to talk to me now about winding this up with not on their terms, but by a simple statement referring it back to the Security Council, I'm agreeable. And they never should have started this business. I don't know whether you've seen the debates down here the last week, but it's been terrible. It's been a religious debate. And you know that the religious wars in history have been the worst war. When you appeal to men's religious instincts, you're reaching pretty down to the raw fiber of a man. So that I'm going to work desperately to get this show, that's all it is over here, now wound up there Tuesday in the assembly. They're going to probably make this move in the Security Council. And the only which we can't get them to follow, I told this to Sabrina and even suggested to the man that they have good regard for. Now that is on the mediator. Pardon? On the mediator, the Swiss. Yeah, that's Yarring of Sweden, who's Sweden's ambassador to Moscow. He said they have high regard for him and our people have high regard for him. The best thing in the world would be to send a mediator out there and try to start getting these people into some peaceful arrangements throughout the whole area. They don't want to do anything, but keep the pot for them. That's right. They want to keep things in firm, man. And they want to fish in trouble waters. They want to get a dominant position that part of the world. Next time you talk to your congressional leadership, worried about your sending a few little aeroplanes to the Congo, which I approved of and which was pursuant to UN resolutions. You might mention them. You have not heard them voice any protest about the Soviets practicing gunboat diplomacy and sending a battle fleet to Egypt, right in the midst of this. If you sent the sixth fleet to Tel Aviv right now, or Haifa, there'd be one hell of an outcry. I have not seen any reaction to this from some of your friends on the hill. And I'd like to see a speech made by Bill Fulbright and a few others, Gene McCarthy, Ernest Greening, protesting Soviet gunboat diplomacy in the Middle East. You have talked to him. You know what happened though, don't you? And the hotline was going, and he sent me this mean message that said that they'd already made the decision to involve the military, and it was very serious. And then we replied to him, and he told us we had to get Israel to stop ceasefire immediately. We couldn't do it. We ought to be on notice that they'd already made the decision, and it involved the military. Did you see that message? I didn't see that. Well, that's just the toughest thing it's ever gone on between Russia and the United States in the history of the United States. It was the meanest one, and it was the hottest one. I don't guess the truth or know it, and you know what happened? We started to reply, and we all sitting in the room, and I said, well, I don't want to ask him what in the hell he's done to stop the Syrians. And so I took a yellow tablet and wrote out and said, well, could you, we're taking immediate steps to ask Israel to abide the ceasefire. Could you give me a report? Could you report to me that you have successfully done likewise with Syria? And so I turned over to Mike Mernon and said, how many ships do we have out there? Well, you've got two carriers, you've got about six destroyers, you've got a few auxiliary ships, and I said, how far are they? He said, they're about 300 and some odd miles. And I said, how fast they travel? He said about 25 knots. I said, well, where would they be in 24 hours? And he said, well, if you let them go normal speed, they didn't slow them down. They'd be up there 80, 90 miles off the coast to Israel. And I said, well, just turn them off. Let's reply to this message now. Just tell it to our chiefs to turn them east and go right in that direction. So 24 hours later, they were 90 miles off the coast. And this message came through that is all over. Hey, they came to their mouth? Oh, yeah, they came right back with the message. I don't know whether they ever saw them or whatever. But I imagine they were in 24 hours. Of course, anything they ever mentioned by it, they would look like a rat and look like a big swashbuck in Texas blowing around. And we never did say a word about it. But I thought that's what I told her. I thought that's what changed the things more than anything else. When I turned those two carriers with 100 odd planes on them and just got them right up their ass when they sent me wires. But they don't recommend a decision that's military. I didn't say a word. I just said, you tried to get serious to close down. But like Ditto Roosevelt, I just had a soft voice. But I turned them around and moved out right up there close to them. And they understood that. That's being good. That's exactly it.