 March 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law. This meeting of the tack is being conducted by a remote participation. And so I, this meeting is now adjourned. I mean, we're done. Bye. And the first order of business is. Announcements. So I had a quick announcement. I believe at the council meeting on. Monday with the new council that they. Agreed to keep all the committee meetings remote in until April. And that they would revisit it then. Guilford Ambrose that you're understanding as well. And the council themselves are meeting in person. But councils are allowed to participate remotely and the public is not allowed to come. They're not allowed to participate in person. Unless they have like specific business or invited or something. So that was the main announcement. And I have something that's a totally like off the top of our committee, but I'd recently been looking into so Joe Comfort. She was a driver. She had filed like right in, in the middle of December, she had filed a bill to strengthen the distracted driving laws. After there was that cyclist who was killed near North Hampton high school. And the driver who hit the cyclist. His name was cherry. Charlie Braun. She was, she was a distracted driver. She was doing FaceTime with their friends. When she hit him. And she also. Had a toddler in the car at the time. So Joe has been trying to strengthen, she's trying to strengthen some of the laws. And I've been in touch with her on that issue too. So. Because I think it's hard for the laws to keep up with the technology. So even the current law we have, it says that. You know, you can, you can only do things hands-free, but then it sort of gives. Free reign to anything that's hands-free, but now like, there's so much voice activated functions. That, that I don't really think hands-free is sufficient. So. Yeah. And you can no longer play games in your Tesla. That's, that's okay. But when I was looking into distracted driving crashes, it's really shocking to me like how many. How many incidents have occurred where people are streaming TV shows or football games or whatever, and then they just run people over. And you would think that you would know not to play video games or stream football games while you're driving, but apparently. Not everybody realizes. So. Okay. That I mean, so that's just a quick thing. And I don't know, I guess. So we do have an attendee. Can we let them in? I'm assuming it might be E perhaps. Or did we just let them in? No, it wasn't even they left. So it might have been all. Yeah. A phantom person. Yeah. And I haven't heard from Holden recently. I'm hoping he didn't give up on us, but I will reach out to him again. And I know that Tom Andrew had said he was going to look for. He was going to do some recruitment for new members. I did. I did email the town manager's office just asking what was going on. And I haven't heard anything back yet this week. So. Oh, so Amber, I just have a little housekeeping thing. I noticed on our website today, the tack website, when I went to click on the latest agenda. Because I wasn't sure where my copy was. It came up with the public shade tree agenda. Oh, sorry. I don't know if we can fix that link. Yeah, I'll fix that. That's not our agenda. Okay. No biggie. And Amber, you didn't have new minutes for us, right? So that's why we were moving. No, no worries. No worries. Okay. Great. So. Does anybody else have any other announcements? I have a concern, but I guess I'll bring it up at the end. I don't know if you can. I don't know if you can. It's fine. It's fine. Oh, okay. Next is. So, so we don't have any meeting minutes to approve or. That's what Amber said. No, she will send them to us next time. Cause we were up to date. And so like we just missing the last minute. So. Okay. That's fine. So the next agenda item are the tack priorities. Right. So we had talked about that at the end of the meeting. And I was working on writing it up. I did get pretty busy. Unfortunately. So that's still in progress, but as I was writing it up, I did have a. I did have a few questions. I wanted to ask the group. And then I could finish writing it up. I mean, I part of what I. The way I've been writing it up is just to have like kind of an overview of who the tech is and our vision statement and so on. And it seems like a good time, you know, this is a good time for it just because you have the new council. And the people. So my understanding from the council meeting on Monday. Is that the council members are asked to choose like their priorities for their council subcommittee assignments. And then they were going to be assigned by the end of this week. And meetings were going to be set. So, like we don't know yet who's going to be on the TSO. But I would assume that the TSO would meet either next week or maybe the following week. So, like, so, I mean, so I would like to go forward to the council, you know, just with our write up of who we are and everything. But I thought I would wait until that happens. And there's also been some discussions about shrinking the council subcommittees from the five members to three members. And there's also been some discussion about the council trusting its committees more. You know, so that the council, the formal subcommittees of the council are. Redoing the work that other committees have been doing. So this might be an opportune time. And the council is really do need to reduce the amount of time they spend. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And, you know, so this is an opportune time to say to them that, you know, here, here's a shortcut. Well, I also think just to like help. I mean, like one, one of the new counselors had reached out to me about like a specific concern. And it just seemed like it's such a good time to kind of introduce who we are and so on. So it also, I mean, I hadn't brought it up ahead of the meeting. I really should have sent it around, but as I was working on this memo, I did look at our 2017 vision statement. So when I talked to the town manager, right, he's in charge of our charge. And he's working on revising the charge. And, but then in terms of the vision, I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. And so it's a good thing to have a tax vision statement. It can still be our own vision, right? That that's not something like the members just side the vision. And it's a pretty, it's one paragraph. It was done last in 2017. I don't know. Maybe Kim or Bruce or on the committee then. And so maybe we just want to, and I think that that was one of things I was thinking I would send to the new council members. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. If we think that it needs a lot of revision, you know, we can bring it back next time. But, um, and let me, I can, I can share. I just wanted to explain. I was not. Late. I was trying to get on, but my computer kept shutting itself off and rebooting. So I apologize that I was delayed. Oh, no worries. What a smart computer. I was already on for half an hour or everything was fine. And then all of a sudden it began shutting itself down and. Trying to reboot. And that did that about five times in a row. Is it happy now? It seems to be okay now. But if I lose you, you'll know what for the reason why. Yes. Yeah. Well, my favorite is when my kids, you know, decide, oh, they're too cold. And instead of actually wearing a sweater or pants instead of like tank tops. They're going to like blast all the heaters in the family. And then it blows like the. And then I lose connection. Okay. So here I'll share my screen right now. Oh, happy new year, everybody. Oh, yeah. Happy new year. Yes. I want some snow. That's my big. That's why I have this background. It's my. Supposed to get some tonight. Yeah. I've been rather annoyed with my coworkers down in DC. Monday adventures. When everywhere else that has snow that doesn't even want snow. Right. This is the big thing. Like DC didn't want 10 inches. And my sister works for the federal government. She said they were, the federal government was actually closed. Right. It was. Yeah. So, but yeah, and you know, Seattle doesn't really want six inches of snow and Hawaii, they have more snow than we have like up in the volcanoes and stuff. So yeah, I hope we get some. And my ice rink really wants it to be below freezing. Cause it's not so good yet. Okay. So I'm assuming you can see this. So this is the adopted statement from. An earlier iteration of the tack. I can, you know, read it or we can already, I can, I'll just read it through, but then if people have any comments about it, I thought the statement works pretty well. I mean, one of the things I'm trying to convey in addition to the fact that we're advisory. And so our goal is to help. Help with decision making and provide like useful feedback and so on. To topics that the council can study in depth is that also that we're also thinking about transportation and our transportation network from like a larger perspective than just project by project. So our vision statement, it says that the average transportation advisory committee works to create and support an economically and environmentally sustainable, multimodal transportation system for people and goods to transport. And so we're also thinking about. And so we're also thinking about, you know, an economically and environmentally sustainable multimodal transportation system for people and goods to travel safely, conveniently and efficiently throughout the town to connect with other communities. Viking walking public transportation will be essential parts of life and Amherst with enhanced networks and intermodal interconnections. Persons of all ages, abilities and circumstances will be able to use each of these modes for all their transportation needs. And so we're also thinking about, you know, a lot of the things that we're thinking about, you know, is with reduced pollution and traffic congestion together, this integrated transportation system will support healthy and thriving people, neighborhoods, village centers, cultural life and businesses. So. It's pretty broad. Does anybody have anything they think we need to change or. I think it's good. I don't think there's really, it's, you know, broad enough to continue, right? Yeah. I think I might like word Smith or maybe make it a little shorter or something, but I'm not. Fine. I think I'm over the opinion. If it's not broke, don't fix it. So I guess in that vein, I mean, do we want to just take a vote then? Just as a committee and to say, since this was, you know, this is, you know, four and a half years old, not that we still support the vision statement as it is written. Yeah, sure. And we can, and then we can share that with the council as well. So, I'll propose that the tax supports the vision statement as written as written of June 13th, 2017 and wishes and continues to support it. I'll second. Okay. So just for Amber, right? So who are we saying? Do we have a saying we, that the tax support. No, no, no for the second and stuff. Okay. So Mark, Marcus made the motion. I think that was a split second ahead. Paper scissors. Come on. So all those in favor. I unanimous decision. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you guys. That's very helpful too. And, um, okay. So. So one of the things we talked about in terms of, you know, as we tell, um, the council about our priorities. Um, I think that's a good point. Um, And now we'll share the vision statement, which will give some context for them. As we talked about that they're the capital projects. Go for shared as a list of the capital projects. You know, we agree that we don't want to, um, You know, um, I demise them like number one, number two and so on. But the, what the following projects were, and it seemed like we were pretty much in agreement on those. Um, So I just want to recap those and we could take an official vote on those too. Um, And I just wanted to share as priorities just in terms of. The town's, um, transportation networks, like in terms of policies or other things we might want to. Mention specifically. Um, But in terms of the capital projects, so my notes from last time were that. The three that the previous tax had voted on pre, um, to say that they were priority projects in the past where the. Um, the east pleasant street pedestrian upgrades north of the U.S. campus, the ones from East Van Lane to Pine Street. Um, the East pleasant street upgrades. For pedestrians from Olympia drive up to Pine street. And then pot wine and West street. Route 116. Those are the ones that were already on the list. And then at the last meeting. We talked to about adding. And those connections with East Hadley road and so on. And the palm early village projects. And then we also talked about Kendrick park because we had been asked to wait on that recently. So. So that's six. Which of course they're not going to happen, but. Does that does, did I capture that list correctly? Yes. Okay. So then I guess I would make a motion that, um, I guess I would make a motion. Um, We say that these six projects that I just listed are like our top priorities. In. Unprioritized order. Among them. And the reason that we've selected them is. Um, because they're all contributing to our, our major concerns, which are safety, accessibility, and the network connectivity. I didn't know in particular order, right. Yeah. Thank you. Also sit kind of. I'm concerned because. For example. One thing that I've noticed and, and has come up is like. Um, Amity and the intersection with Lincoln, for example. Yes. Very dangerous intersection. not something that we've really considered that much or really discussed, you know, in a more open way or has been like, detected by the, or been analyzed by the town. So, so, so and I think that's a pretty critical intersection right there. But so, so I'd like to say that these are identified priorities, but there may be others, you know, do you know what I'm saying? Like, for sure, yeah, if we would include that one and also the South Amherst Common, the traffic pattern there are any others as ones we want to investigate this year, or just say like something about the fact that it's not completely inclusive, you know, like these are identified priorities, there may be others that we haven't investigated or have not been through, you know, I feel like all those priorities that we just mentioned have been through several ramifications of analysis, you know, I don't know how to couch that because I feel like there are other things that if we got money to do these things, specifically those particular things, we would jump at them because there are also concerns, you know, sure. So I think I mean, maybe Guilford would know more about this. I think there has been, I mean, I know with the South Amherst Common, right, Bruce and Kim, you've talked about how the tack had previously spent time looking at that. So it would be, you know, good to bring those back up to the surface again. But then with Amity and Lincoln and Guilford has the town looked has a DPW looked specifically at that intersection much. Long time ago. Okay. Yeah. And I, and I, and I feel like, you know, within the last couple of years, because I once even I with our subcommittee, we were once meeting Jeff McCullough from the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission, and he had mentioned that he was looking at Amity and Lincoln or something. So I don't know. I think we had a couple of neighbors come to one of our meetings to talk about that as well. Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple of different issues on Amity, right? So I mean, as somebody who lives off of Amity, like further down the hill where people are really speeding. So one issue, right, is that there's the no, the sidewalk ends on the south side of Amity, in part because of the grade. So your, your list is getting pretty long. Sure. No, I'm not saying that what I, when I all, all that I mean to say with our priority list is that it's, it's identified priorities. There may be others, right? That's all, that's all I want to kind of couch it. Well, and so Guilford, right? So previously, the TAC had voted on like one project each year or something, right? So you show those as spreadsheet and it had the, I'm going to stop sharing, and it had the column, like TAC. And I mean, a lot of those projects are in progress. And even some of the other ones that are also quote on our list, like Palmore Village and Groff Park, they're already on the list. And Kendrick Parker are already on the list. And we're not saying that they all have to be like funded and completely constructed right away. I mean, that's not happening. And some of them don't have funding yet, but just that they've already been identified. And I guess, I guess that's what I was wondering if we might just want to say is that these are identified priorities and, and identified. And I guess at some level, we have some analysis that's been done on all of these. Right. No. But just, I think it is a good point to bring up where there's other safety issues, right? Because there are safety issues around the South Common and their safety issues of Amity and Lincoln. Can we not just say that it's, you know, these are identified priorities, but in no means does this limit them? Yeah, it's not the exclusive list of priorities. That's all I want to say. Because, yeah, because I'm interested, like on the Lincoln side, like the impact, the Amity and Lincoln, like the impact of the speed camera that's on Amity now, you know, has that kind of done something to do with things? You know, there's a few things on there already that have taken place. I don't think it's a speed camera. I'm sorry, a speed warning sign thing. Right. Well, that's a big difference. Yeah. Yeah. A camera means you're going to be ticketed or whatever. So for sure. Yeah. That brings up the question of maybe we need just for ourselves to talk about what, what projects do we want to look at this year, such as the ones you're just mentioning? Well, I mean, so the kind of the top projects on our list, I mean, so they're all happening already, right? I mean, almost all of those, those top six, right? So the North Pleasant Pedestrian upgrade, we already, we've locked it and evaluated it and it's on the list. It doesn't have funding, but it's, you know, it's there. And then the East Pleasant Street one. Again, that's supposed to, I don't know. Guilford, has that already, like you talked, I think at our last meeting that that was going to be surveyed soon to start moving that project along? So has there been a survey area or? So could I propose something since you're putting this is a list you're saying to the, to the town council or the TSL? OK, could I propose that one of your top priorities is having a meeting with them to set up how they want you guys to function in the council government? Because no one has done that. And we've been doing this for three years. And maybe that's the top priority is how, how you and the council and the TSO can function and what processes you want to have in place. That's probably, I mean, right now you're kind of over here in this world, they're over here in this world and people just throw things all over, but there's no connection. Sorry, I like my hands today. Oh, that's fine. That's a great suggestion. And I think it really fits with some of the discussions that councils have been having and expressing, you know, they really need to they really need they sort of gotten their arms around how they operate as a 13 person committee, which is huge for a committee. But now they need to see better how they operate with their committees in how those subcommittees subsidiaries like us interact with the council. I think that's a good idea, too, because they they might say we would like to present you with a list of what we think is most important for projects. And would you work on these? Because we don't have time to work and that's true. You work on them and come back to us and say, what do you think? And and actually, I mean, what Gilbert is bringing up. So I mean, I did meet with the town manager just to, you know, talk about how we are having trouble getting quorum and things like that. But I mean, the right. We're a committee under the town manager and the town manager oversees our charts, right? So our current charge is out of date because it still refers to the select board and so on. I mean, one thing is I'm not sure. I mean, we can say, you know, that we're interested in understanding the relationship better, but I don't necessarily feel like we have that much. I mean, if the charge is resting with the town manager and then and also with the council, how the council wants to use us. I mean, part of my introductory memo was to talk about the things that we've worked on before and things. But I don't feel like we actually have the power to be like, this is how we want the relationship to be or whatever, you know, that we're that we're here if the council wants us. And we can suggest about how where we've weighed in before. But I'm not sure that we can really like direct the council. But why not? No, I mean, we can suggest something. Because like this is kind of ridiculous. Like I'm kind of coming to my end of this. Honestly, we have been working as a team. Yeah. For a unified vision of transportation in the town. Right. And the previous council, not until the last year, really have they started using us intelligently because the council not possibly understand the issues that we have been dealing with for the last 15 years. I've not been part of that, but at least for the last seven years that I've been. Sure. They cannot intelligently deal with them because they have to deal with a wide array of stuff around the town. Oh, absolutely. A group of dedicated people who are interested and have a history in planning, transportation and public works in the town. And I feel very strongly that we should say, hey, guys, this is what we've been doing. We have no agenda other than to make this a better place for everyone. So use us. And here's how you can use us. Here's what we can do. And I really feel like we have to tell them what we can do for them. Because I'm not interested in just like, oh, wait, we have our favorite project because our constituents who have been arguing the loudest, the squeaky wheel has been telling us to do this thing. That's not a way to plan a public transportation system. So I feel like this is something that we introduce ourselves and our expertise and what we've done and what we feel we can add to them. Why not? We have nothing to lose because otherwise, like they just say, you know, no, we just want to do it all. And no, I mean, that's how I was trying to structure it somewhat just to say, like, hey, we're great resources is what we've done and things like that. So I will say that when I talked to the town manager, you know, and I was asking about the charge and so on. So he recounted to me and I wasn't even on the tack then. He recounted to me that in the early days of the council, there was a time and Guilford probably knows this better than I. There was a time when I think something was going to be referred to the tack and that there was pushback almost immediately from certain council members who were like, why are you going to tack for feedback on this project when we the council are are in charge of the public way? So after that, that's when, you know, the town manager. I mean, this is what the town manager described to me. And that's when he sort of backed off and was like, well, I don't know. Maybe maybe there isn't a role for tack or whatever. So as an I came out of that, you know, hubris because because there is no way that anyone like the new committee could ever have the amount of knowledge that we have. And like, we've been working with the public works director for a long time and and we're not doing it. OK, fine, whatever. But we've been doing it in a way that is not nonpartisan and for a good in a way that is incredibly transparent. And I think there are much bigger issues in town that the town council should be dealing with, could be dealing with and instead of these issues that are incredibly complex and connected. And and, you know, honestly, no, I agree. I mean, I say we put it out there. We put it doing anything other than what we've been doing, which is in a nonpartisan, you know, non no district district non-district way, just like making the network better for everybody. And that's all that we can really do. And like being fed things that are, you know, I'm happy if things finally come to fruition and they want I'd like I like, for example, I think we did a great job with the with the the park thing that we just did. You know, that was awesome. And and we gave a really unbiased opinion based on all the expertise that we have here. Sure. That's the thing that we should really highlight. For sure. Yeah. It takes a lot of work off someone else's plate. That's all. Well, and like Palmer Village, we weighed in on Palmer Village and yeah, for definitely. Just need to get time to sit down with them. So, yeah, well, I mean, I don't need to like give them, you know, these are our best bits. Just tell them to sit down and talk to us. Sure. If they want us, they shall come. Well, I think you've made great inroads in the last year. And the person who three years ago won't know why it was going to tack is one of the ones who now like stack. But she's not on the town council anymore. But but I think you're at the point now where you can actually set more of your agenda and get more into the operations and be more of a be more of a receiving and reviewing and get things out that gets done. And. Sure. I appreciate what you said, Kim, and I agree with you. Yeah, so so perhaps we could, you know, as as as I don't know if a couple of us or all of us should go to a meeting where we are on the agenda and we can give a presentation and, you know, introducing all of us and our time and what we've done and what we think we're useful for. And I feel like that's the kind of thing. Yeah. And if you haven't noticed, I'd be really happy to participate. That sounds great. Well, so, I mean, that's where we're waiting for the TSO to be created, right? Right. Yeah. TSO and say, hey, we're the same notion of going before the council as a whole right now, I think is. No. Yeah, they don't know what they're doing. So, I mean, there's a maturation process here that, you know, we're in phase two. Yeah, the next couple of years, we'll see some changes. Now the council behaves and what they take on and what they don't. You also have to keep in mind that the bulk of the council represent districts. So having, you know, there's some pros and cons to having a neutral body that doesn't look at just the district. So the trip would be the trip would be to get get some time with the TSO after three arguments and say, you know, give us an hour. Let us, you know, give you some idea of what we've done. And you guys at least start thinking about how you'd like to have us offer you as the committee or the council as a whole some input of the council's got to the council's got to learn to trust. Council's got to learn to trust committees. They haven't. And they can't do anything completely. And it's Chris is just Chris is just logged in. And she's she's probably saying, oh, you just know this. You know, that's what one of the parting counselors made that in their public comments about how they shouldn't duplicate existing committees and so on. Well, it's part of it is, you know, and part of it, you've got six new counselors and they're going to have to come to the understanding that they're a couple of whom seem to be single issue types. And they're going to have to come to the understanding that they don't have all the time or expertise in the world either that at some point, they're going to have to they're going to have to they're going to have to look at what people do and trust other people to give them information. We're going to we're going to become the town's transportation research board. Yeah. And they, you know, it'll it'll it'll it'll happen. But it will happen. First, we get it started and then I'm yeah, optimistically, I'd say give it a year. Frustrating is that might be. And on that note, well, so right in well, this is one of the reasons, too, I wanted the town manager to appoint some new members because well, everybody's terms are going to be officially over by the summer, though, like people like yourself, Bernie and Marcus can roll over to, like new terms to keep us going. But but yeah, I mean, currently, I think that are our last appointments, like end on in June 2022, which is five months. But and also in a year, right? Two, there will be different people on the TSO. So that's why I was sort of writing this memo to also reach out to the council as a whole, just to be like high council or the attack. And like, we're going to work, you know, we hope to work with the TSO and the council as well, right? Because particularly if they shrink the council, I mean, they shrink the subcommittee membership, like we won't actually interact closely with that many members. But it's still good when the things come from TSO to the council for people to have a little bit of background on who the attack is. That's my thinking. So all right, so I'll keep working on this. And I mean, I can circulate to Kim, Kim, it's great that you want to be involved and have those conversations. I'm hoping I'm really looking forward to seeing who's on the new TSO. You know, who do you work with most closely? I mean, I mean, based on this discussion, I'd still like to put something in people's hands and writing just so that they can at least look it over. Does that make sense? And then we can follow up by doing a presentation because I do think and there is a lot of information coming in, you know, to the new counselors and stuff, but at the same time, if we don't have a conversation with them right away, at least they could be thinking about what we've said. And I don't know. I think we kind of keep things hidden and say, you know, if you want to find out more, come talk to us. I mean, you know, to Gilford's point, it's been long enough. Like, we've been telling you since we blew in the face about what we should be doing, what we think they can be doing and everything like that. Just like, if you want to come talk to us, we'll tell you everything, you know? So let's get it. Let's stop dancing around the issue. Get to the point. Find out what we need to do. Find out the working relationship. And then we can figure out how our current because it may be, you know, I think someone was pointing out earlier, they may have some ideas. So let's go through their ideas and bring it out and, you know, come to get, you know, understand what's going on. Because, yeah, like you were saying earlier, a lot of the stuff we've been saying is priority. You haven't got funding. That doesn't mean it's not a priority. I mean, we haven't had the opportunity. So how do we work that into that relationship? But just has got a hand up. So I think, yeah, may I just say a couple of words? Definitely. I think it would be helpful in your discussion or your communication to point out some of the things that you've done in the past. And some of you are recently on the tack, but I can remember, you know, some important things that happened in the past. And one of them was the influence that the tack had on the design of the Northampton Road project. So and Kim will remember that because we went through, you know, a lot of analysis of what was being presented by the state, by the MSTOT. And, you know, they made public presentations and not public didn't show up, but the tack showed up and gave them some really good input. And the design that we ended up with was really in response to things that the tack contributed along, of course, with Guilford and the DPW and everything. But I think, you know, having examples of that, that people people on the council now don't know about that because that happened, you know, five years ago. But, you know, having examples of things like that where you did have an influence in the past, I think would be good examples for the town council to realize that you're useful. So Chris, are you referring to the Northampton Road project, the one from like South from University Drive up to the center of town, the one that's just getting under construction now? Yes. Yeah, I had a lot of input on that. Particularly, I would say, well, Kim and Eve, and I can't quite remember who else was on the tack. Karen Jones and Karen had waited at some point. Karen was gone by then, I think. But I will probably remember who was on the tack when the MESS DOT presented. And, you know, the width of the, well, whether there were sidewalks on both sides, you know, like I always would be in all of those things were were changed from the original plan by the input from the tack. And that is a huge piece of our real estate or the state's real estate that influences us. And so things, you know, pointing out things like that. I think would be useful. And if I can think of anything more, I'll let you on. Right. I mean, and we were talking before you came on, Chris, about like Kendrick Park and Palmaway Village and other places, you know, that the pack has weighed in, too. So also the crosswalk designs, which, you know, we couldn't see that. Right, the crosswalk. Yeah, the crosswalk designs are so great. I love it. You look good. Yeah, they look really good. Yeah. They really turned out. Now, they're much easier to see. Yeah. Amherst College now likes them, too. Oh, well, then let me get some money from them everywhere in town. I'd love to see them all over the place. They have so much. I mean, anyway, we can get to town on that one. And they'll hold up, too, right? Like with the. The cross. Yeah. With the brick and stuff. Isn't it like, isn't it in late a little bit to make it anyway? Every every five to ten years, we'll have to go in and touch them up. Rip them out and redo them. But it's it's it's easier to change because you just take a milling machine and mill the old stuff off and it's not like you have to dig it all out. And it's better than the than the flashing lights in the pavement, which those for those were destined to fail. With those crosswalks. OK. So I mean, so why don't I mean, I I think what I would do then I'll still write a little something, but maybe we don't specify like too many. I mean, we can specify projects that we've already been involved with, but we don't have to talk about like our priorities, per se, which is that, you know, we are, you know, I would mention some of them. It would be like, here's our list of like priority projects, but it just be like, we've been involved with these projects. And and like we have safety concerns about other projects, other locations and so on, too. I don't know if you'd want to get into this much detail, but you could also mention that we've actually gone out and we've walked these routes, such as in North Amherst. Absolutely. That's a really good point. I mean, that's something that the council will never have the time to do. But like you, I mean, Eve even showed me them and they're actually still on the TAC website, like those walking tours that you had done. I think there's like four, at least four walking tours that were done. And those are very important, so for sure. That's a great idea, Bruce. Thank you. Yeah. OK. So do we want to bring up? I mean, I guess we'll just leave it as is. I know we had started talking about, you know, in terms of priorities, not just in terms of projects, but in terms of things that we might want to look at, which is one reason I put, for example, like the whole snow removal thing on the agenda. Just we haven't any snow yet, but I think we will. And to me, like that's a big access and safety issue, too. Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure the best way to address it. Per se, like as Bernie brought up, it's a little tricky. And then at one of our meetings, too, we had talked about lighting, which, and of course, lighting is really complicated as well. But I think, oh, yeah, I mean, I think let's let's get get in touch. Let's start talking. Yeah. And then, you know, then that's what how it, you know, how things lie down. Because I mean, like on East Pleasant. Just a strong street that crosswalk there has got terrible lighting. So. So it's like all sorts of things we could address. But yeah, let's get the conversation started. And actually, one particular intersection that's been a big concern to me recently. And I know, for example, right, there's some some shared streets. Money or some D.O.T. Money that's improving along Triangle Triangle between well, and also on North Pleasant Street with the crosswalks, like from Kendrick Park and along Pre Street and then coming out onto Triangle Street and connecting with Triangle, like over to the community pool and things like that. But there's this one, the one intersection that's a big concern to me is the one like right right past the entrance to the high school, like where there's the street. I should I forget the name of it right now, the street that goes up from like the street that comes up from. I think somebody might be using the heat as a Tracy's house. At Kellogg Street. Kellogg, that's right. Where Kellogg comes out to Triangle. Yeah, and then there's the Smith one, right? And not the Smith. The one with a couple of the Amherst College dorms on it. On Triangle. So you've got that. That's Sealy. Yeah. That is directly across from the the exit from the high school. That's Sealy. Yeah, because that's that's that's Kellogg. Sorry. A lot of kids are crossing. Like that seems like a really busy intersection and one with lots of children, too. So which I think isn't currently marked, actually. Less less. It is. Oh, it's it's lessy at Matunes. Here, I got it right here. I'll pop it up. Uh, hold on. Yeah, you've lost her Zoom. I mean, Tracy lost her Zoom connection. She's connecting back in just so you know. So this is the intersection you're talking about. Kellogg comes up down by the restroom area. And then lessy comes in just past Matune. This is the one you can't see very well. Right. Flying around the corner. Yeah. I mean, really, you need a roundabout at Triangle and Matune. So I was thinking further down Triangle by the exit to the high school. Yeah, that's right here. Yeah, there seem to be a lot of kids who cross there. That seems to be somehow a busy intersection. I'm not sure why I don't know what the advantage is to doing that for kids. But well, this, this brings up. Yellowford, is there any chance of getting any more funds from the Safe Walk to Schools program that remember, we had somebody talk to us about that. Oh, yeah, to be more lighting and and the new crosswalk designed. It doesn't save fruits. The school doesn't go for secondary schools, high schools and middle schools. Tracy can get back in. It's that she's that gets I can't she can't connect me. Stop sharing and try to bring her back. Sorry, she said her internet is down. So oh, yeah, she's not there. Yeah. Could she find it? Is she able to join us by phone? Yes, she's going to try that next. OK, I guess Smith takes you into town, right? I didn't hear your comment, Marcus. What did you say? Oh, sorry, I was saying, I guess Smith takes you into town. It takes you to Kellogg, and then you come in the town on Kellogg. And I'll zoom out a bit. And would you rather have the aerial or would you like the that's useful? I mean, the reason there's no crosswalk at Smith is there's no sidewalk on Smith. Yeah, because people just cross into that neighborhood from there, I think. So there's a Kellogg where Kellogg comes out here. There's a crosswalk here. Oh, there is. And then there actually is a crosswalk. There's a crosswalk, which is right here. And let's see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one you can't see very well. I didn't know there was one there. But that one has a bad sight line from traffic coming from Triangle, from the roundabout. Right. Yeah, there are a lot that I have to always hurry because all of a sudden, the car just appears. Tracy is trying to call in through the attendee line. OK, let me stop sharing so I can see everything. Can you hear me, Tracy? I am. Thank you. Oh, good. You're there. Welcome back. Thank you. You would never know you live in the center town. Well, it's hard to hear, Tracy. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Hold on. Oh, I can hear you better. I feel like one of those abs. Can you hear me now? Sort of. Voice is muffled. You're really hard to hear, Tracy. Yeah, yeah, we can't hear you now. Yeah, it's very difficult to hear you, Tracy. Oh, OK, hold on. Now this is better. That's better. All right, can you hear me now? Yeah, that's better. That's much better. Yeah, just that intersection at that that that that they come about right now, the high school. Yeah, so which one are you talking about? Because we were just just looking at the map. Yeah. Is it marked already, the one you're talking about? Oh, which map are you looking at? Our map of the Google Maps, I guess, or no. Amherst Maps. I'm talking about the one. I mean, I'm talking to that. OK, so if you are I'm talking about the one of you are coming from the center town on like, you know, from like East Pleasant and Kendrick Park and we came along Triangle and you went past the entrance to the high school and then it's the next small road. It's on the road. Oh, yeah, that's funny. That's what I was just talking about, too, because I've. What's that one called? Is it lessy? That's lessy. Yeah. OK. And so what I've noticed a lot. So I was to be a driving instructor and I would also do these on-road driving studies. And, you know, some of my colleagues would say, oh, we should use that, particularly because we've been working with high school students and they always wanted to have the cars go up that hill and then turn. Triangle like turn left across the other traffic. But it's just so the sight lines are so bad right now. And when I and I've been working in that neighborhood a lot lately, too. And what I realize is like, if the crosswalk. Was closer to the high school driveway, but the the sight lines are just so much better. And I realize that there's on the on the side across the driveway that there's no sidewalk there now. But it's like a really small stretch of street. And if it if it is possible to ever move that crosswalk and then have a sidewalk along that short section, that would be super helpful. The problem is, is the road is actually. The gray is the roadway and there's this red line here. And then these brown lines are the contours. It's a very steep embankment that comes down from here. So you really couldn't put they really didn't put the sidewalk there because it's such a steep hill that you'd have to cut into. Yeah, it's so right here, the road, there's not a big steep hill. You're staying across the high school driveway entrance. So there's a big yeah. From lessy up to Matune, that hill is is too is kind of too steep to sidewalk in. Oh, yeah. No, but I'm actually just talking along a long triangle at the long triangle, that little section of triangle between the high the driveway, the high school driveway entrance and lessy. Right, you could have a sidewalk just along that little stretch. So that's what I'm talking about. That's right. Yes, it's drive by. It's really steep right in there. You'd have to cut way back into the hill and take a lot of trees out and to put a sidewalk in there. That's why there's no sidewalk there. OK, but I mean, so I did notice that there is I mean, the other option I guess could be to have maybe some better signage or to have like a flashing. I mean, that might be a good place if you could have a pedestrian activated signal where you could have like flashing lights or something. Because because there is there are some signage to show that there's a crosswalk there. But I think where I'd have to look at it again, but where the signs were placed, like if you're kind of coming, if you're coming from. To work near the high school and you're going towards Main Street. You don't necessarily see those like pedestrian crossing signs very far in advance of the actual crosswalk. You know, and as you're coming around that curve and driving pretty quickly, like, anyway, it just seems like the cross the cross is not that safe as well. So that might be one of the crosswalks that you might think you want in the hands in hands crosswalks that from your standards, right? Right. No, I think so. Yeah. Well, and also because that goes along with the project that the town is already doing about improving the access along Triangle in general. Yeah, I mean, couldn't we put more signal? So couldn't we put a raised crosswalk at Calog to to help slow the traffic down? You could along Triangle back to the picture. Sorry. Yeah, you know, I mean, there is the there is the crosswalk there. You could you made it a raised one. It will certainly slow the traffic down and then potentially raise it at Lyle that Leslie, too. Now, and you're there are improvements and already a play in Triangle, right? But are those are those going to be raised or were they going to be a grade? Right now, they're a grade. But then again, we that we lost Chris is Chris still here? I'm here. Hold on, let me make this we we kind of mean, you can have you have very good visibility at prey in Triangle. There's not really a need for flashing lights. We were kind of hoping to take one of these flashing light pairs and bring them to less see. That would be far better. And then one of the things one of the things we would we would propose doing is setting them up like they are on Pine Street at Cushman Common, where they're actually both on the same side of the road. But because of the curve, one's facing better along the curve and the other one faces better along the. Yeah, coached. So that's something that we're kind of Jason's been talking, I think, to Ben about it. We just need to kind of flesh out the details better. And but that's something we've kind of wanted to do is take. There's a whole bunch of lights that are proposed down here. We think that's a little too much. Take one down here, maybe one more someplace else. Well, that that intersection at Pre Street, it's very, you know, it's used just particularly in the morning, so kids are walking to and in the afternoons from school. And I think, you know, but you're right, like the sight lines are really good there and people are already either coming from the traffic circle, coming down that street triangle. You know, they're already kind of going slow and have their eyes out because it's very dangerous, you know, this busy intersection. And as well as coming from the high school, you've already noticed like there are lots of kids around, so we'll slow down. So I feel like that intersection itself, while busy and is is pretty well, I don't think people are driving so crazy. But I agree down further down the street towards that corner is a much better idea for, you know, right in lessy. It's like you're going downhill. Yes, that's on triangle towards Main Street. And especially with that blind curve, it's like, I don't know, it always feels really fast to me. So yeah, no, that makes sense. Well, and the other thing that came up, I was listening in on the disability access advisory committee meeting. And I mean, they have concerns about the section of Kellogg that where, well, there used to be, it used to be have painted line to kind of say, oh, this is like, this is the path you can walk on safely. Because there's a section along Kellogg from when you're in town and then you're going towards the high school, right, that there's no. And I'm sure some some of this is probably a great issue, too. But there's no actual sidewalk there. But but there used to at least be some like painted line in to show that like this is like supposed to be like a pedestrian zone and a car zone. But now, like the last time I walked that way, like there's no pain or anything anymore. I don't know. But I know the DAC, they were asking about improving that connection to with Kellogg. I mean, Guilford, are there many options there for that? I'm sorry, on the on the south side of Triangle. Yeah, on the south side of Triangle, how there's a section where there's no sidewalk. It's between it's like the town side of Smith, right? Right. Yeah, you're talking about going into Smith. Yeah, right. Yeah. The thing to do, I mean, Smith is awfully narrow, too. You could you could get a sidewalk in there, but you can get rid of the parking. There's some parking in there, too. And then you could put a crosswalk back here in Triangle if you wanted to. But there's already, yeah, I don't know if you need a one right there. But yeah, well, there is a Google Maps has a crosswalk there. There's I think that's what I was looking. I don't think there is. No, it doesn't have one. That's why I've got it. I've got what looks I've got Google Maps on my screen here by big screen. And it does look like there's a crosswalk there. That's funny. I don't think Google Maps mapped. When we have to go back and check this, I mean, we actually do have new new imagery, but we haven't put it on the we haven't put it on yet. So this is not it's not on the it's not on the street view. It might be from like 10 years ago or more. Feel for these pictures. These I think might be older. The low nine. You might be the originals. I'm cross there and I think there is a crosswalk. Well, I'm not. I don't think there's a ramp on the other side. There's not a ramp. No, I don't think so. Because we actually repaved this road within the last six, seven years. And if we if there was a crosswalk, we would have put a ramp in and made it a little more. But there's nowhere for the ramp to go. And we technically don't go to nowhere. We just don't do that usually. That's a good plan. If you look on street view, there's a gentleman that's not is about not to pick up his dog's droppings. Smith and triangle. OK, you're not getting it back. Well, so also, if you go back on triangle back towards town, there's that one little segment. I think I asked you about this before. Go for it like just to the east side of like one east pleasant where the sidewalk is like torn up or whatever. Oh, yeah, right here. Is that is that and that is going to be fixed sometime or something, right? They're supposed to. They just haven't done it yet. That's something right. It's right here. Yeah, that. Well, there's at least there's no concrete barriers or anything there anymore. So. But have you eaten at the New Mexican restaurant? Yes, I've eaten at the one where Rayos is. I haven't eaten at the one where she was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not bad. No, it was good. Space is nice. They've done a good job of the space. Nice. Sorry for the squirrel moment. Oh, that's good. OK. I mean, turn it. I'll stop sharing. No, that's good. That's good. Well, yeah, so I think, I mean, we can, you know, those are the kinds of things we can tell the. The TSO and things that we're looking at, too. Yeah, sorry. I do have a quick question, though, for Guilford. Why isn't there on Kellogg at Smith? There is a sidewalk on one side, but not on the other. I guess there's a specific reason, I mean, it would take out somebody's. Hydrangea, but on Kellogg. Yeah, on Kellogg, like as you're heading into town from Smith. So there's a sidewalk on both sides until you get to the like sharp turn by the housing authority. Yeah. And then the sidewalk really kind of goes away. Right. And then it comes back again. And then it comes back again in the sharp curve. There's actually a drop off that drops off into those properties. And it's it's all it's due to topography. I mean, so I guess on the is there an option to even just like paint it or something like paint the kind of shoulder of the road or to make it look more like pedestrian? Even if it's not an actual set, like above grade sidewalk. It's been painted a few times. It does not last very long. Like what if we call like it was painted? I don't know if Amherst has this very much, but like if you painted like that whole kind of side lane, like a different color or something, does that help? Yeah, it would help. But it would help. But it's just a matter of. There's no money for that. No, no, no. It's some. Well, that also wouldn't really address the issue that the DAC brought up about, you know, like if you have somebody who's visually impaired or something, right, they wouldn't tell. It would have it would have to be tactile so that they would actually know that that was. They would feel it because that paint is probably about. Oh, it is a millimeter is higher than the road. Oh, you would feel a bomb and a change. And you could see most people who have some vision could see the change in color. So if you did it blue, it would be different than the asphalt or if you did it yellow or. Is the tech know that we're doing work on Kellogg Avenue from Smith into town? Do they know that that's a CDBG project? You know, it starts at the curve, not a little bit. Yeah, it starts at the curb and works its way back towards North Pleasant Street and the sidewalks on both sides are being redone. And this is being done in except for the sidewalks by the trees in the church that's being left alone. Well, like the sidewalk next to the post office and stuff, right, it's not very good. It's all good and I mean, yeah, right. Yeah, that's what I mean, that sidewalks done and the sidewalk past the church is redone. Yeah, well, we have that presentation, Chris, at the last meeting right about the different pedestrian projects, so I'm pretty sure Maureen had brought that up. OK, you know, widening the footpath, just replacing. The sidewalk. Yeah, sorry. No, it's just it's pretty. It will go as wide as it can, but the property is really tight in there and it's pretty much already at the property lines. OK, yeah. So in terms of other, you know, other kind of like policies and projects, I think we could bring up the crosswalk. So I put the crosswalk guidelines on the agenda just because, you know, Gilford, you had mentioned at one of our recent meetings that you had a few concerns. But as Kim said, like the guidelines, those examples that were provided in the draft crosswalk guidelines are already being used. So I mean, maybe that could be something it seems like that wouldn't be too hard, necessarily, for us just to kind of revisit that and say, like, we recommend approval and that could be something that we could send to the TSO and then go to the council just to, like, make it official. And that makes sense. You could. I want the last one. Is there any advantage? Sure. I know. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Well, you had mentioned the last time the attack talked about it, I guess we had proposed maybe some changes. So then you had concerns about them, but I think we could revisit that and get it adopted. Yeah, you guys wanted to reference a whole bunch of you wanted to pull in a whole bunch of direct references and have them actually in there and have them written out in the policy, but it might be much easier just to reference those instead of actually pulling the wording out and putting in there. Because if the wording changes, then the policy would have to be changed again, but just to reference the guidelines from ASDOT and. Mm hmm. That makes sense. That would be easier. And then you would also want to reference a lot of the guidelines that the DACC is very happy and they want to have seen they want to do, but some of those are not being whole hardly accepted in the outside the DACC world. Well, you're saying the pro-wag stuff, right? The stuff that's all in terms of ADA enforcement or whatever. So I mean, again, but that sounds like something again that we could, maybe some of that could be referenced just as you're suggesting like to go to those sites and not actually say it all, you know. Well, so they would like to see the standards that are forced on building properties and forced on roadways and sidewalks. So right now the building standard is your walkway has to be less than 5%. The road outside Main Street beside Town Hall is greater than 6%. So you would have to have some type of either extensive ramp system with railing all along it or switchbacks, which requires more property. So then you're looking at, well, if you have railings, you have to have railings on both sides, you have no access to bus stops or it gets, it's really not, I understand what they're trying to do and I applaud them for trying to do it, but it really makes the roadside very difficult. When we build, when we redo the North Common and you see what we do for the handicapped spaces there, that meets ADA requirements and that's going to be, that's on-street handicapped parking and the reason we don't do on-street handicapped parking is because you have to make it 2% across the, it has to be almost flat. It can be no more than 2% of cross slope and 2% going with the slope as well, cross slope and with the slope. And that's very difficult to do without raising things up and having steep drop-offs on one end or steep rises on the other end. So if you say you want to reference all those things and then you're opening that door is what I'm saying and you're making the projects much harder to accomplish. Well, let's take a look at that. Is that, would that work with your schedule if we bring it up next time and just... Oh yeah. Okay. Great, let's do that. And I actually... I'm sorry, I'm going to have to give you a 15 minute warning. Well, I think we want to wrap up anyway, right? We like to go till 6.30 and then we have, we have Bruce Remidas to end the meeting. But just in the, so Guilford, I would love to talk about that next time. We could bring it, we can circulate it and advance the meeting and then just talk about it. The other thing I was wondering, I was going back through some of the other policies and recommendations that had come to us. And I was looking at the TSO's guidelines in terms of on-street parking and so on. And what I remembered is that back, I think in March of 2021, you would send a memo to the town manager talking about the roadway with some parking where you were asking, for example, on some of the, like on the Ontario roads that there'd be a prohibition on parking. But then I didn't actually see that get into, and maybe I'm missing it or it's in a different document. I didn't actually see that get into the final TSO guidelines. It didn't make it. Or go to the council. No, it didn't make it at all. Okay. So, I mean, maybe that's something that, I mean, again, it's not totally in tax hands, but I mean, looking back at your memo and part of it was to utilize was, I mean, it seems that when we have this list of arterial streets, you know, there's so many issues with like snow removal, but you had brought up in your memo, even about like the bike lanes and the shoulders and things like that. Like it's just not, they're not great for people to park. And so maybe if, even if the council didn't adopt and say they were gonna res, ban parking on like, I think your original memo said like 25 of them, but like to pick them, because you had even brought this to the tack, I think like two years ago, before we shut down for COVID, I remember you coming to the tack and saying that DPW was interested in restricting it and here is a list for those major roads. I can bring that. I mean, a good place to look at that is on like parts of East Pleasant Street where you have some of the, I hate to say this, rental housing. And when they need extra parking, they park on the shoulder of the road, but then East Pleasant Street has a bike lane down it from the fire station all the way down the Pine Street. So you have cars that are parked in that bike lane and on that in the grass, but that actually impedes people who want to bike on it. South Pleasant's another street where especially around the public works building, there's rental properties where if they have guests, they tend to park on the street, but they park half in the bike lane and half on the shoulder. And on South Pleasant Street, they've actually destroyed the shoulder and taken part of the bike lane away because it's just been broken up by driving across it so much. So that was the impetus behind that. And Pine Street, I mean, you shouldn't have parking on Pine Street. Well, yeah, I mean, I think maybe it could come back. I mean, like I see people sometimes parked on 116 or I mean, they're just a lot of places that people shouldn't be parked like right on the roadway. And like Triangle, like we're talking about Triangle, like they should only park if it's actually designated and otherwise just no. So yeah. There's a few people who park in the bus stops, actually. It's kind of fun to watch. Fun for who, exactly? Well, throughout the watch. Yeah, I mean, so in terms of, I mean, you had raised a lot of good points when you brought it up to us now like two years ago and there was some of the stuff that originally went to the TSO. So I'm sorry, it all got dropped. Yeah, is there anything that TAC can do to support that? Or could you just bring it back to the council again or something? We could bring it back. I mean, yeah, I can bring it back and then we can just see where it goes. Well, especially it's like the winner now and stuff too. Yeah, I mean, there's no, this is why I said, you know, we want to talk your top priority with the TSO should be to put, how do you want us to work? What do you want us to do? If it's, if things are to go to you first, do I take it, you know, do we, do Chris or I take things to you and then take it to the council or do we take it to the council and then let the council refer it back to you? Those are the things, those are the questions we have. But it seemed like recently, I mean, what I was seeing happen the most like with Kendrick Park and things. And I don't, I mean, it seems a little long winded to me some cases, right? But then what was happening was that you, you were you and the time manager were sending stuff to the council and then it was getting referred sometimes to TSO. And then TSO would beat and they say, oh, do we want any committees to weigh in? And then it would come to tech. So like we weren't, I mean, there were times earlier on that you had, you know, particularly when we were visiting the crosswalks or something, you had said, hey, let's get some tech input. And I've seen that too, with a DAC, like let's get some DAC input. Yes, but then, but then if that's truly the way they want it to go, then the way it would work for you guys, if you have something you want to work on, you could work on it, give it to me or Chris, then we would take it to the town manager to send to the council. Then the council would send it to that routine. So it doesn't cut you guys out from the way I see it. It doesn't cut the tack out from their own little things they want to work on. And interject them in. It just gives you the path. This is how you do it. You put your thing together and then Chris or I bring it and push it out to the council, to Paul, and then the council then decides, okay, yes, we like this. We don't need to refer it to anybody. We're just going to vote it or, okay, we're going to refer it to the TSO. And the TSO says, oh, we love this. We're going to recommend it and it goes back and they voted or yes, the TSO says, okay, let's talk to the tack about this. We have a problem, one or two problems. Well, so, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think in the case of the crosswalk guidelines, they had already come to tack before, right? So we could kind of advance them that way. Like, like here's the tax draft guidelines and the town's already been using some of them and like it's coming up that way. And but like with the thing with the roads, it was really coming out of DPW and I thought you made a good case for it. So I don't necessarily feel like it needs to, I mean, I'm not sure how tack can really help with that so much. Well, let's just figure it out. Yeah, so, and actually, so when we were just, you know, we were talking earlier, one thing I was wondering about, you were talking earlier with the GIS layers and so on. So Guilford, did you think it would work out to maybe have one of those UMass grad students in GIS like help work with you? Yeah, I actually haven't answered that person, but yeah, I mean, it'd be fine. I mean, we only- Did you ever talk to them or anything? No, everything got kind of really busy at the end of the year. Oh, sure, no, for sure, for sure. Okay. And I got the privilege this year of staying this year, everybody else went away. Me too. Oh, lucky you. So, sorry, but that means you don't have to do it again for like a few years or something. It's okay, it's my, it's my turn. So, okay, so maybe I, I mean, even in that department, you know, it's in the geography department, though that's like a special major or whatever. Yeah, she sent me the contact, I can reach back out to the contact. Oh, okay. I didn't know if you had reached out to him at all or, but okay. Yeah. But it seems like, you know, maybe helping with some of the GIS layers and stuff would help. I mean, we're interested, of course, for the bike, pet plan, but also just, but even, you know, some of these other layers too, like the aerials, just the grunt work, some of the grunt work with GIS. Yeah, so I mean, I can talk to Mike, Michael, Mike Warner and see if he wants some help getting them updated because he's a little behind too. Oh. So it seems like we just decided on some agenda items for the next TAC meeting, but perhaps do we know what the date of the next TAC meeting is? Cause that's the next agenda item. Right. So, I mean, typically we've been meeting on the first and the third Thursdays, which I mean, I'm happy. So that would be the 20th. We had talked at our last meeting about asking the town manager to come and join us at that meeting. I did reach out to him on that and extended invitation to him. He did not respond. We could do that. Our next TAC meeting might be busy with updating the crosswalk guidelines and somehow getting together support for the parking ban. On the right. How? So maybe we'll not until the next. Sure. Yeah, that's fine. And I also think that he's probably waiting, like he typically supports the TSO a lot, like he goes to the TSO meetings and all these things. So we can hold off meeting with him until February, but by the next meeting too, we'll know when the next TSO meeting is. The other thing I'll do is I will circulate, now that we've talked about it more about priorities and vision and stuff, I will circulate some small, shortish document just to share with the council and the TSO. So that could be an agenda for our next. Right. And we can do it one of two ways. We can either do it where I circulate it and then we edit it and get it out. Or if we don't think it's that time sensitive, I don't think it's super time sensitive. We could just, we could talk about it at the next meeting. So sure. Great. And so any topics not reasonably anticipated? Yeah. I just have a quick question for Gilford. Is the Fort River taking out the sidewalk at Belcher Town Road? There's a whole bunch of cones there today. Like right, you know, before you get to Amos Woods, the Hampshire. Oh, I was wondering, is that related to ice? They were actually out there videotaping today. So they were looking for what's going on, but there's not really taking out the sidewalk. It is, there is some subsidence there then. They're just trying to check a few things out. You actually know what's going on. I actually, Gilford, would you allow me to share my screen? I have some pictures that I took on the road recently. Thank you. You're a panelist. You can do it anytime you want to. Sure, okay. Share screen. Okay, great. And I'm just gonna show you my desktop because I just have them on my, so on my, it's in my, I just sent myself some images. So I really love riding my bikes and I love taking my kids around. And this is a view on Bay Road of, look at where the line is here. Do y'all see that? I never understood until, like I do this, I bike over here all the time. So this is Bay Road between Sweet, between the Roundabout and Southeast Street. So it's right, you know, right there. And I never understood why I didn't feel really safe right here. And then I looked at where the white line is. And do you see this? How, isn't that crazy? And it's not like, it's just debris. It's right there. And this is the next view. So that was just around the corner. And you can see, you really can't be behind the white line there. And oh, this is just telling me it's like 181 is where that is. And so there really is, and what's interesting, I went a little further down towards Southeast Street. And this is what the sidewalk looks here. It's really not really rideable, although it's a little further. The white line is a little further away from the end of the road. But what I was trying to show here, which I can't see, I was sitting right here on my bike just right outside that white line. And I could see where the white line used to be, which is a little further away. It's more like up here. And people are beeping at me like crazy. And while I was taking this picture, and you can see I'm right there, which I'm really right at the edge of the street. And I just, and what you can't see is where the white line used to be, which was somewhere over here, somewhere way over here. And I was like, hey, what happened? Because anyway, this is super dangerous. And it's a really wide road, really wide. And I'm not sure why the white lines got painted that way, especially if you look at this one, you can see it kind of bumped out a little bit because there was something there, but they're pliable. And I think the white line used to be more like right here or something, but somehow it shifted. And people are really angry about that when I was sitting right outside that white line taking this picture. So I don't know. We should probably try and rectify. It looks like a lot of just stuff that's got washed down the hill. Yes, but you can see here, it's not. That's huge, yeah. Yeah, totally, yeah. But you could, so you can create more of a shoulder if it's like painted differently. But now which street is that? That's Belcher Town Road. Bay Road, Bay Road, Bay Road. Between like Sweet Alice, the traffic circle there, by Atkins and Southeast Street. That whole stretch is a little precarious. And I really feel like it's a really wide road. So there's definitely things we could do about that. That's all. Thank you. Should I move to adjourn now? Yes, I second. All right. Thank you, Bruce. Thank you, Tim. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Go for it and Chris for joining us. Have a great year. Have a great year. Bye. Happy two weeks. Happy healthy new year. Yeah, exactly.