 What, what do you deduce from a deduce? I deduce, I deduce that we did did the deduce. See, it's I'm Corbin, I don't know why I just did it, well I did it because I took my son's event on the internet. Yeah, I'm ready to do it. Ah, you can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, all juicy content, and thank you for source on Patreon, yes, and follow us on official Twitter account. I almost, I almost said it like I was imagining Big B doing that. Instagram, Twitter, Twitter, and Twitter. Rolla moa! Haha! Ah, but today we are doing a movie review of one that you've been yelling at us. Screaming and yelling, screaming and yelling, and yelling, and screaming, and screaming, and yelling. Ah, I have my probiotics, no, they don't pay us to plug this, I just like it. Ah, we watched Devdas. Bop, bop, bop! A 2002 film, it's obviously a directed by the brilliant Sanjay, Leela, Leela, Bonsali. Bonsali. Yeah. It's a great film of his. Yeah, oh, I need to get my notes. Something like that. And starring Shahrukh Khan, the beautiful Ashwara, excuse me, my probiotics are kicking in. Ashwarya Ray. Ashwarya Ray. Ashwarya Ray. And I believe that's right, I hope that's right. And say this name for me please. Maduri Dixit. Dixit. Yeah, Maduri Dixit. Who plays, I can't pronounce. Yes, well, but you know who she plays. Yes, she plays the lady of the night. You want to read the synopsis for me? I do want to read the synopsis very quickly. After his wealthy family, prohibits him from marrying the woman he is in love with. Devdas McCurdy's life spirals further and further out of control as he takes up alcohol in a life of vice to numb the pain. One could say he's like, he gets used to alcohol. That's true. He gets used to it. Okay, it's injurious to your health. That's true. But yes, so this will be 100% spoiler review because you've all seen it. You've all seen it, and if you haven't, leave and go see it. Yes. But now, get into the review. Yes. This film, I'm very, very interested to hear what you have to say. I'm very interested to hear what you have to say. Well, look at this. I'm interested in what each other has to say. Well, no, not really. Can I take that back? That's true of me too. This film was a huge mixed bag. Actually, mostly... Oh, good. We're going to be on different pages. I can feel it. No, I don't know. Mostly, like, good, but some despicable aspects to it. Well, you're talking about in the story or no? In the film. In the film. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, we're going to be on different pages. We're going to be on different pages. What did you think? No, no, no. I want to hear it. Go elaborate. I want to hear more of what you have to say. Here it is. This is going to be fun. What have you thought about it? I think it's a masterpiece. I think it's a masterpiece in terms of everything outside of most of the acting. Really? Not... And this is where you'll see our differences, I suppose. But not Shahrukh Khan, not Aishwarya Ray. Okay. And not What's Her Face. With the redix of it. So what, like three people in there that you didn't like? I loved them all. Yeah, no, no, no. I know you loved them. I just happened to randomly pick the number three. Yeah. And we can get into one because I don't want this to start off just to be 100% bashing because it was putrid, some of the acting that was going on. But that's why I think it's very interesting. It's such a weird film to me because normally if there's that bad of acting, I cannot sit through a film and enjoy it. I cannot do it. Right, right. And the main thing I watch film for is for acting. That's my favorite part of it, I'm an actor and so it's just that's why I go into films and I love film is just to watch these actors act. That's why I think this is a brilliant film because of what despite a lot and I don't know how it happened because he's such a brilliant director. This guy, Sanjay, has more mastery of color and shots than almost any director I've ever seen. He is, I wrote this at one point during the movie. He is the director of love and light, unlike anything I've ever seen. This was just as beautiful as Padma Vat, Bistrami Masa, but different because it's so old it all had to be practical. It's funny because since we're on this, let's talk about his direction first because I want to talk about the direction, we're going to talk about the acting for sure. I'll talk about the acting because that's going to be when I dig it. Yeah. As usual, good. Yeah. It's going to be at least 25 minutes. At least. So, having seen his other, especially Padma Vat, Bistrami Masa, I saw two things simultaneous. The first thing I saw was his growth that we've seen as a director with his visual mastery because he's a master in this film but he's become an even more breathtaking. Like I've stopped, as you know, I'll be watching a film with his and I have to stop it too and go, I'm going to gush over one, like I out loud said whoa. I think you can know what it was during one of the songs where she just changed from, I think it was red and then she did it like a twirl and she became green. Yeah. Emerald. Yeah. You know what? It had to be practical. You know what was a woe moment for me? That was another practical moment because that's the other aspect of this is I not only saw his growth but I saw how much he had to do very practically even though he had a very big budget. Yes. Obviously. Yeah. I think it was like when Devdas comes to her and the first time she's like out on the moonlight to meet him with her lamp next to her and she's asleep. Yes. He does a shot that's just movement of light through stained glass. Oh yeah. I loved all the stained glass parts. And you see him by her and you don't see the camera moving as much as you see the light bending through the freaking grate. Yeah. It was just like Bastrami Mastinani and Padma Vaat in terms of you could watch this just in silent which is one of the things that I was like I actually almost wish this was a silent film because the one thing that was ruining it for me was my acting. And that's where I have something to say about that when we get to it. But you could literally just watch this thing the way he shoots it is I've never seen a director do this and have the mastery of color like this. Yes. I mean because it's almost it's old school shooting almost in terms of like old Hollywood old whatever but it's obviously they didn't have color. And so. Right. No. But okay. The mastery of his shots the creativeness of his shots but then the symmetry Yes. And the color. Yes. I was almost more blown away by this than I was in terms of that aspect than I was Bastrami Mastinani and Padma Vaat because he had to do it all practically. Yes. None of it could have been computer generated. It's right. Right. Right. It's more impressive. It's very impressive to me and he let me every this is one of my notes everything about this film floats like a sliver of silk on a breeze or smoke from a candle tip. Wow. You're just a little poet there aren't you? It was the way it felt and the way he had everything balanced with the tempo of the film could have and here's I also wrote this on my notes later on where as the visual bar watch and header that is his you know our Beethoven and our Mozart that's to me this was Sanjay's masterpiece and just like as I was watching header and thinking to myself this is so on a fine delicate place that can go so wrong at any place I felt that with this and it never did it for me I can't wait to talk to you about the acting but but sticking to his and the whole team he puts together okay let's talk about let's just talk about costuming I mean when she showed toward the end when she is in this I have a picture of it goodness gracious I'll put it on the screen oh yeah just the I just stop it the purples the vivid colors the it happened with a lot of their dresses oh but it just it was an accent to what was going on around them yes everything complimented it yes even with what shower con was wearing sometimes yes even when he first showed up the British I mean the attention they have to all the detail on the costuming like everything he does it's just and we could talk about that the score this I think I think has the best songs like in terms of musical number songs not like behind them like well even the score underneath throughout for me no I'm just like her level well you know like Uri has yeah yeah like background music right right these musical numbers I enjoyed them I almost didn't want them to end which is very strange for me every single time when came on I was like oh good we're back back to the acting though yeah yeah we well but like everything I enjoyed the song we reacted to even more love oh my goodness I lost my mind when that came on I was I was waiting for yeah me this is gonna come back because I enjoyed it even more because we had the context behind it now yeah and we knew who these two actresses were they're both frickin brilliant yes so we didn't notice them obviously in that thing because that's just the song and we couldn't write we didn't really know they're acting yes they were both beautiful women yes but they there was new songs in this like ones with Shahrukh Khan and that and then I love the alcohol song yeah drunk song yeah that was fantastic real real good think has my favorite overall just musical numbers of any of the Indian films we've seen yeah and my other favorite every single one of my other favorite thing about this and I wrote I wrote this down in my notes as far as I like and maybe even wish we'd seen it even a little bit later in this regard because we've been so passionate about becoming immersed in India and Indian culture and Indian history and Indian film of all the films we've seen this one felt the most deeply Indian in terms of everything I wrote this film is deeply deeply Indian it is to me the most richly and deeply Indian film we've seen thus far it simply drips with everything that is so lavish lush and rich about India's culture spirituality poetry history legend and I'm sure we don't even comprehend even half of it it just is I was overwhelmed with how much it just was like if you want and I don't know the average American including us if I had seen this as like my first Indian film yeah I it would be wasted on I think an American only people who are familiar enough with Indian film I think I agree which is why I didn't have an issue with you know that's why yeah you started off the film and I almost out loud said oh god I was like oh I can't sit through this for eight three hours that's funny because I almost out loud said oh okay yeah but that's because you know see that's the issue with it and it's not with like I said it's not Shahrukh Khan it's not with a shawari shawari array yeah and what's her name Madhuri Dixit yeah I think these were the best two in the shawari Dixit and shawari array yeah those three carry the performance in the character they sometimes had the over drama over melodramaticness sometimes yeah but it was very rare for these three and see that but almost everyone else you can name any other character and I would have almost hated everything they did see for me outside of when they were in songs because it fit okay it was like they were doing a play but you can't act you can't do stage acting in a film it does not work well here's where you may find out something here's the first thing that comes to mind I wasn't thinking about this when I watch the film it's just coming to mind right now mm-hmm so in a streetcar named desire mm-hmm you have the juxtaposition of two completely different performances no trust me with a blanche and Stanley and those not only those two characters and the way those actors portrayed those people she completely carries with her and she has to because it's the character the over dramatic the melodramatic the silent film style of acting and Brando was pure realism raw unadulterated realist which one I like of course my my preference when I'm watching a film and seeing a story is to see something believable in the same way that with visual artistry like painting I like realism I like to see a Norman Rockwell that will blow my mind compared to something abstract and that for whatever reason that's just me I love abstract and I don't dislike abstract that's my favorite I don't dislike it but realism for me is what captures me and pulls me especially the suspension of disbelief correct I mean it's hard it's hard for me to watch old school style acting before method and believe what I'm seeing this had an amazing capacity for me and I think it's because I accepted it at the beginning I accepted the fact that this was going to be more stylized than realism in the acting I don't think it was bad acting I think it was a choice that Sanjay allowed the people to make and did it I could be stretching this I love to sit down and talk to this man I would love to because he's taking this from other material he's taking this from a book yeah that in my I wonder how much was lost in translation because we had great my subtitles were conveying so much of the poetry but I'm sure we got lost yeah this is about as grandiose over-the-top pure romantic love expression that I don't know how it could be conveyed and I loved that this again bespeaks the pure Indian nature of it and the evolution of Indian cinema because Indian cinema has evolved with method acting at a different pace much different much more recent much more recent yeah this is an interesting blend in the same way that a streetcar named desire was and I don't I don't think people would have a problem at least I don't I didn't have a problem with Blanche being is over dramatic and melodramatic and seeing that pull I actually find the acting in this that isn't realistic that is more of the over dramatic deeply endearing for me it didn't it didn't pull me but I do understand why you didn't like it not I for me I freaking loved every aspect I like I said I thoroughly enjoyed the film it's like this was like if it didn't have this over dramatic acting in it it would have been a utter and just one of my favorite films we've seen so far but I can't because of how bad some of the acting was yes he for me it's I don't understand a way up because I'm I was thinking I was like is it maybe it was a stylish choice by Sanjay to do this but it's only some people for some reason it's not the main three they're all smoke for the most time they do have some moments for the most time they're usually grounded mm-hmm these three act yeah but didn't you find like it started out this way completely unbelievable way of saying it was garbage I love it it was garbage and I hated it I bet you also hated how much they're telling us what's happening versus showing 100% like like oh my tempest has returned oh I hated it especially hated I think you heard she was the sister-in-law she was the one that kept trying to blackmail him for some reason yeah I didn't really get why she didn't like him so much right but she was like almost the worst because they made her like Sanjay made her out to be the villain like right from the beginning because she would come on screen and then you would see her and she would go yeah and I was like what are you doing yeah this is not a soap opera but it kind of is yeah but I don't if that's not good film that nobody thinks nobody nobody thinks soap operas are good acting and nor should they be in no no no no no it's not it's soap opera I don't believe it's soap opera in terms of it being because on soap operas you do have some bad acting you don't have not always the case there's actually some good acting and this is again for me I think and I would love to I need to I wanted to read more of the history I think this film is a big bridge in the same way that streetcar was as well as who's afraid of Virginia Wolf those two films in American cinema are a transition period for the world of actors where it went from one era to the next era I think this is probably and one of the reasons why Shahrukh Khan is the guy yeah that they talk about who bridges old Bollywood to the new because this film for me is like streetcar it's the film that I think based on my limited knowledge takes Indian film from what it used to be and it's more because Indian film like American film takes from it the history of stage and live performance well Indian live performance is thousands of years old so they've got a lot even even the dancing styles that they do are so old so for me I felt like this was a beautiful congruent combination of old school and new school coming together that didn't bother me out yeah yeah hey here's what I'll say about it is like right when I saw I was I did almost the exact same thing you said you did I had to adjust my brain right okay this is this is what we're doing yeah and it did get a thousand percent better but I think there's a reason for that yeah it's because obviously the in the beginning they were happy so for some reason they thought they needed to be over extravagant happy yeah for some reason I still don't get it but the obviously the longer it went on the sadder it got and so the smaller people usually get when they're sad and so I think that's why it got better for me but also it's because of Sanjay's brilliant obviously the entire time like normally if this film had this film had this bad of acting I can't I can't enjoy but because Sanjay's directing music shots that the costuming the songs and to the main threes acting yeah kind of saved it but if anybody was on screen other than the main three I was I was usually always taken out almost immediately after a song okay but let me ask you this about this we're gonna stick on the acting for a second let me ask you that what we've come to learn about indians right everything about them it's why I love you so much is larger than life everything everything that they do their anger their happiness their passions their food their colors and their clothing they are the celebrators of life to the extreme you've seen what they do when a trailer comes out in a movie theater okay they lose their minds confetti and instruments and screaming still leave it still doesn't mean that the acting can be excused because they're bigger because it's like you could be bigger and be believable the what's his name uh the I don't know I'm forgetting his name um uh Scarface uh thank you that man is as big as you can get in terms of acting and he is always believable uh no Jim Carrey is about as big as you can get an acting yeah and I have a problem with this yeah see and I love Jim Carrey well I love Jim Carrey and his comedy but I don't I don't think he can do serious performance well at least I haven't seen his new stuff but that's it's that it's that um for me and again it may just be because I'm just so in love with India in turn and not saying that you're not that's not what I mean by that I mean it what I mean by that is the large the largeness of expression I'm totally enamored I I understand I understand that and I get it but I it still shouldn't take the bigness still shouldn't take you out of the moment as most of the acting did no and like I always go back to for example if you were watching if you knew something was definitively non real like like I always go back to this because it's the first thing that pops on my head is Kabuki theater because Kabuki theater is way over over the top you would be you wouldn't be thinking about the realism that's supposed to be in it I think there's there's a and I'm with you in this we have a presupposition that when we're watching a film that it must draw us in and be believable because that it but I love being pulled in another direction that says you know what what if we're going to do something here abstract in a way that pulls it into a direction that and it's totally not just forgivable but celebratory but that would make sense if they were all like that the main three were not like that I know but there again is like streetcar it's like that's it's a like it's a blend these two females right here yeah put on such brilliant performance that Ashwari Ray's just freaking brilliant her eyes she was born to be on screen so amazing she was created to have her face on a movie yeah she is just so beautiful her eyes are so captivating uh and all that kind of stuff but uh yeah so then I don't want to dig on the acting too much so um no but I get it but yeah you can let us know what you thought about it um but I do want to talk about the ending because I loved yeah I knew it I loved I knew you would I hated the ending and I said Corbin's gonna love the way this ended oh I loved it oh and I'm surprised all you loved it with how much Indians love I hate that ending happy endings oh I was so happy you big I was so happy at the end because I was so happy to see part of grieving and knowing she lived the rest of her life without a true love yes no I did and I was so happy I am guessing this is the actual story yeah from the book from the book yeah um that obviously we did not know that how this was gonna end because we have not read the or seen no we haven't read it or seen it right and I do know maybe I know maybe that's why you'll like because you've actually read the story before we do know that this is not the first film adaptation of this it is the third and that there is a Bengali version of this film which should be really important to people who are Bengali because the story is a deeply Bengali story it's deeply deeply entrenched yeah in that yeah I love the ending I love how um unhappy it was uh and I by the way I say I hated it because the the the romantic of me wants everything to be happy and live happily ever after but I also know that life doesn't work out that way I knew you'd love that and I want to I know the answer to this question but for me there were two moments that moved me to tears I know they were numb for you no you were probably smiling at the end yeah I was yeah I knew it I was very happy I was like thank you so much for doing that so when he says and the lamp goes out oh yeah brilliant you were cheering you were like yes no I was happy about the directing yeah I was like that was brilliant on the directing that was multiple moments that I've said that like I was like this man he knows how to he knows how there was a there was a there was a passion of the Christ moment at the end and it's a flashback running moment and that's what I mean you know what I mean where she is running to him calling his name uh and it flashes back to when that she was a little girl running and calling to him as she's running to him out there uh which is the flashback moment where Mary is running to Jesus and she remembers him falling and she's running it had that same level of impact for me gotcha in terms of the and I love moments like she just knows he's out there yep you know that that they're linked even when he's on the train she can just sense and when he is bleeding and she is bleeding this almost like twins yeah because those kinds of manifestations happen with twins yeah I love that's one of the reasons I actually love the ending is because I almost didn't forgive him for for some reason hitting her just randomly I know in the head with the thing yeah I was like what was that like he wasn't even mad like he was just like no which but what that okay that like another thing on my notes that's what I mean by this being so rich the Indian I I guarantee that moment I think there's probably a thousand moments where they're doing something like they're singing about Krishna and they're talking about certain things and referencing certain things that are so steeped and deep in Indian culture and history and legend and writing that we I think we barely brushed on it and that this thing for the connoisseur it's like there's certain wine no kids gonna drink a wine right and no one's really gonna appreciate wine until you have broken down all of the elements in a and you can tell the difference between the tannins and the sugars and know the processing and you can differentiate between the Sauvignon Blanc and the Chardonnay and you know the aromas and fragrance that for me is this thing is so rich and lavish and full of India I I guarantee that moment when he hit her in the head and the symbolism because immediately I was aware of the fact of the red on the scalp I just I don't think it was but it does appear to us as just a random hit and I just didn't understand it me too like because when we watched Kabeer sing people said this was like a new dev does it they I'd seen those comments that said it and I saw some similarities between slightly the love yeah the love and then obviously he just randomly hit her Kabeer Singh was out of like anger and it was like in a right that he obviously we talked about that he I think we deeply regretted yeah it just it just seems so random random and incongrument yeah I was like what like what even was that like I didn't see the build up to to him like no but again I think it has it has and then he was like happy about it he was like I know because I think there's a single moon no I think there's a I remember one of the first moments we had watching that I realized what I was watching meant something but I didn't know what it meant and that was in Padma Vah when he's about to go out and fight and she has said if you die I'm dying too and I'm going right and there's the moment where she is giving him the cloth and he's putting his hand prints on the cloth I knew when they were doing it that I didn't know what they were doing but it meant something really deep and we found out later from stupid babies they're like oh yeah that is exactly his way of letting the whole world know that if I don't go back and I'm dead on the the battlefield she will show that to everyone which she does she walks with it in her arms at the end and it's her way of showing the world my husband and I agreed that if he dies I die and I'm going to go to my death with his acknowledgement and permission which she was supposed to do or it would be dishonoring to her I think something like that happened with literally hurt him smack her in the head it just seemed weird to me yeah it just seemed a little strange to me but yeah like I said I loved the ending I thought I thought it was brilliant that they didn't end up even like I mean she couldn't even embrace him yeah and I was like yeah the door closed just end it here end it now and they did and I was like yeah I'm so happy you sicko I want to see if I have anything else in my notes yeah so that was that was really good to me so I like I said I thoroughly enjoyed it regardless even though there was that one aspect of it the not the main three but almost everybody else is acting I I despised um oh two two things I wanted to remind um uh I'll mispronounce the character name of um Shandramukhi the courtesan right the lady of the night yes she reminded me a lot of the role that Priyanka plays when she plays Kashi in Vajra a little bit in terms of she's just trying to love this man that she loves but wants what's best for him and is kind of you know obviously not the one that he's in love with just a little bit I had that same kind of empathy for her in a way and the other thing I just gotta say is the the the musical number in this the dole ray one and the musical number with uh Deepika and Priyanka in Bajra I just there is nothing more beautiful than watching Indian women in those beautiful clothing doing those such beautiful little delicate little things well they'll just come in for a close-up shot and all they'll do is a little head move and like a little eyebrow it's just enchanting to me oh I loved it even more the second time it's it just it's just I don't think a woman can be more beautiful than than doing what they do in those numbers it's so pretty Jackie Shroff is he Tiger Shroff's father yes sir is it I believe you are correct interesting yeah yeah well I would I would give this and it's only because the acting I'd give it a B plus yeah for me it's a plus masterpiece this is up there for me with header I can't put it in a because of the oh man no this is this is to me of the movies we've seen way too melodramatic by most of the acting I have many films over there I have many films that I love but here's the thing you would show somebody who hasn't seen uh Indian films Heather right yeah reluctantly well it depends on if they like acting of course and then have to know see here's here's one of the drawbacks you cannot show this to somebody who does not know Indian true and here's another drawback we know the source material for Heather intimately yeah we don't know the source material for this this is our first exposure to the story and it began as a literary even still if you don't didn't know the story no hate of Hamlet you could follow that somebody could follow that it will be easier depending on if they like easy watching acting because it's a contemporary telling that's why it's contemporary you could catch somebody up on header real quick or slow down hey this is an adaptation but I mean still Padma Bhatt and Bhasuramma Sannani you could also show those before you could show this right to somebody who does not know Indian film correct because this is so deeply Indian I would not recommend this to somebody without either one of two things happening I would tell them do yourself a favor and watch Indian film for like four or five months first then enjoy this and maybe watch a couple of SRK films and watch some Sanjay Lila Bansali films first then watch this or let me sit next to you and we can pause it and take six hours and I'll explain as much of it as I can as we're watching so that you can really it would be like taking someone who's never been through like a six course meal of foods they've never had they've never had oysters on the half-shell they've never had lobster they've never had different wines that are paired with their foods they've never had a chocolate souffle you would want to be there with them and explain the nuances and totally agree this is not just go watch this Indian film that's one of the reasons I can't give it a name I'll ask the piece outside of everything besides not once again not the main three but everybody else is acting I thought everything about this film was brilliant yeah I loved and I loved everything including those acting everything about this film was brilliant um outside of basically everybody else except for the main three yeah and I now come on didn't you even visit me here for an hour didn't you even like that there was a change that happened with the supporting people when like I said it got better but it was still Paro's mom shows up thinking she's celebrating the fact that Dev Dasa and her daughter are going to be married and they pull a fast one on her and she gets really angry and starts ripping into them and they rip into her I felt that that was a pretty real moment for characters that had previously been very grandiose and like I said it got better because they had to be smaller because they were sad most people aren't extra again when they're sad outside of where they go yeah but so that's why he said it got better because the film got sadder and so people have to be smaller when they're sad all right which is why you like sad films which I do I'll do it because the people tend to be more real I like sadness yeah you do sadness that's why you don't cry no I don't because you prefer to be in the dark sadness darkness is fun