 All right Welcome everyone. I'm live today and Live again after only less than two days since the last time everybody's seen me I feel like this is the longest or the least amount of time. I've done between life's shows forever in my career But that's okay because today I have a wonderful guest with me that is Keith rainy and Keith is famous for helping everybody with their CRTs of course first off and Really well known for his work on the 240p test suite and the monoscope Pattern specifically. I always tell people how I really love that pattern and it's kind of changed Changed the calibration game for me and made world the world a whole lot easier since you've come along and made that so we have him to thank for that and I know you're also really into photography photography and photographing CRTs, so yeah, I've been working on that. I had a really cool Color thing that I posted on Twitter a while back that yeah I have not had a chance like this week right because the family's away and I get the house to myself for a week That's gonna be one of the things I want to do is set up Something where I can get those photographs that I've been trying to get for a while Well, okay, cool. Yeah, so then you've been working on that project like starting to do more I noticed with getting better pictures of the CRTs based on actually the surroundings and stuff which makes a lot of sense and Yeah, I mean, I think that's really great to get into that. Yeah, and so beyond What I have mentioned is that mostly what you're excited to get working on right now That and Well next weekend Andy and I who also lives in Chicago He posts on the Facebook group every once in a while and he's on the discord your discord server now, right? He's gotten a 32 Whoa, and we're we're gonna we're gonna attempt to calibrate that next weekend And I think we're gonna try and livestream that. Oh, well, that'd be great Yeah, well, we'll see how it goes cuz it's either gonna be amazing or you know, I'll expose all my ignorance I think it's all fun. Well some people rolled into the chat. So thanks again everybody for being here and We've got so yeah, we got kind of a lucky situation here I've been trying to get together with Keith for a while to talk about a number of things and It's just been mostly Hard for us to get together But thankfully we're both seemed to be in like a bachelor situation Currently right my my wife. She's away this weekend with my daughter. I do have my son here but he's 11 and easy to entertain himself but Keith he had some time today. So we decided that we go ahead and get together on today's stream and I had recently posted on Twitter some donations that I was gonna be receiving I think it was a week ago and this was Posted on the timeline and then you commented saying all some of that stuff looks really cool And I honestly didn't have any idea about the majority of it What I did really want was hopefully a working one of these that you're seeing in the background which we'll be getting into Because this is the waveform monitor, but it also it's a little bit more than just the waveform monitor this device is considered but so Keith had mentioned that he would love to come on and talk more about these things So I was glad to have him come on because I don't know much of anything about him besides my time I've spent playing with them in the last day and So that's what we're gonna talk about today is the waveform monitors and Keith what when you got it on composite right now so we can look at the vector scope as well Yeah, so we've got right this has a built-in vector scope Which right now it's set on like a picture mode where it'll actually replay the image That's fed there, which I have also playing down here on this 14.0, too And it's just the scrolling pattern in the 240p test suite And I just thought you know why not show everybody this little guy that Yeah, this is the one that our team you actually gave to me at oh, that's a nice one Yeah, he made this for me and gave it to me as a gift at Connecticut at the convention last summer. So that's just really awesome. And so but I'm actually using the one in the SNES To our SD to SNES my old Multi-cart so anyway, that's coming through and like you said This is actually a vector scope and hopefully on the stream you'll be able to see it when I pull it off This because I can actually change it too. I'm not really sure like how good these Vectorscope settings are well like what because there looks like there's a cluster of things here Right. Well, really what you want to do is switch to the color bars. Okay test week. Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna start playing around with this stuff and Let's just go ahead and yeah, you have some fun so again what I am using is the 240p test suite and Just so you know if you want to check out anything on Keith I do have a link to his Twitter Account in the description so you can go follow them there And I also have a link to the 240p test suite in the description of the stream so you could check out this software and If you have if you come across one of these kind of devices have some fun with it. All right, so we are looking for Which test pattern do we want to start with just the SMB to E color bars? Yeah, okay, so there you go all right and then There's our color bars and There's like is that what you want to see this kind of yeah, that's what you wanted to see. Yeah. Yeah, so um, oh Goodness, so I've got that here and Anyway, like that's Yeah, we could we could get into that. I thought first off too. I wanted to give a shout out to John Schmidt who was the guy who gave me all this stuff and donated it and I Whoops, I did Have I did pay for the shipping but he was kind enough to just send all this stuff to me and pack it up So that was pretty awesome of him There's a bunch of other gear and I will go through a list of that There's one other device that we're gonna try to get to work into this Thing and we'll get into that in a minute, but okay first off for the layman at home Keith like What exactly is this piece of equipment? If you were to you know, give a little bit about what you know about these things Like what are they and what kind of what do they do? Yeah, what are they for? Yeah? Yeah This would and you know, we should actually have Dan monstner to keep me from staying something stupid, but The idea is something like this is that you would have a source signal maybe like Either an incoming broadcast Or source tape from a field camera something like that and you want to make sure all that stuff is As good as possible before you feed it into sort of like a master broadcast that was going out to your viewers or something like that And so you have those color bars. They're designed in a certain way to create a certain way for them and You want to make sure if there's any issues with that signal that it gets corrected before you kind of dump it into like whatever that sort of sort of broadcast mixing desk was you know and So if you see those two see the neat one the neat thing about yours is you've got this great huge Unit that's got two monitors in it I know a lot of the times you see those little single ones like the one that the junkie when you have yeah Yeah, just they're just two of those side-by-side that it's in like a rack mount, right? Yeah, so that's that's actually Really neat the way it's arranged but what you'd want to look at on those screens is Is How you know how good your color saturation is how you know how close your peak white is to the correct value And then on the vectorscope image itself you can see The little targets for the primaries and secondaries They're little like little wedges that have like a cross hatch like a cross hair neat in the middle of each one Yeah Yeah, so the idea Yeah, the idea is that the more correct your signal is the closer to the center of those little cross hairs each of those turns in the beam land on So I think they should be labeled like red green. Yeah, they are labeled and there's angles Yeah, right, and yeah, I think that if I go in here and I play around with it There is a way to illuminate that background on there But that's that's we'll figure that out here Yeah, it's anything like mine So, yeah the one just to get everybody an idea what we're looking at here This particular unit that I have is from tech tronics It is the 1 7 8 0 r And like we were saying it is not simply a waveform monitor. It's actually considered Um, I had it written down here a measurement set video measurement set So it's it's got those two built-in things in one And then as Keith mentioned, I do have this one that I was not able to get started which is a Uh, just a simple waveform monitor all by itself and it doesn't even Have any shielding around it because it was in a rack mount And yeah from what I understood I watched some videos actually from tech tronics Like they've got some cool. They've got some really really good Like nineties and training videos And that was that that was really interesting to me how I could find this old stuff on youtube seems to be pretty scattered all over the place um But there's a lot of good tutorials from people that just did this stuff And one of the guys on there was uh was working in a documentary. He was like a documentary film editor That was that was really well known like expert and He was saying that you know, he would use this kind of a device To do things like you said of course with color And he actually had like an a unit that would have rg and b in it And then you could go in and tweak each color, you know individually on that vector scope But that was a newer model, but anyway, yeah, that'd be that'd probably be digital Yeah, that was digital. Yeah, so it was like right at the digital beginning. He was talking and um He was saying that you know, the lot of things that he was using it for was to line up sink or sink from different signals where You would have In a documentary piece you would bring in footage, you know from all kinds of Random like original sources that were in analog or different digital signals And he said if you did Sometimes the horizontal Blanking on the sink wouldn't be right. So when there was a transition The shift of the image would shift, right? Because of that so you can use this device With another device to to basically Line those sinks up so that you get rid of that problem In between and the way you do that is is by pulling up a waveform similar to this And you line up the sinks and this like you can overlay this screen With a pro with another signal or another signal or a master signal And then you can put the output like you said and then correct that for either a documentary or live broadcast Right. Yeah. Yeah. So um, yeah, and also things like color correction on Cameras, I think would have been used this kind of equipment Yeah, so one one neat thing that you might be able to take advantage of going forward would be Especially with that other one the the the tv signal generator that you've got there Yeah, if uh I'm hoping that thing is going to have some sort of adjustments, right? I've got this old leader color bar generator where I can individually adjust the Amplitude of the negative sink pulse The the level of the pedestal Yeah, the peak white the chrominance value all that stuff's independently adjustable So I was able to feed that color bar into my vector scope And tweak every single one of those things individually until it was absolutely perfect on the monitor on the The waveform monitor and on the vector scope And then I know hey those color bars are good And then you can use those color bars coming out of that To into my monitor into the monitor and then run The auto auto setup, right? Okay. Yeah. So like that's that's what that's what so that's The l5s the l2s the m2s. I think the 54s Um, I'll have a sort of feed me good color bars and I will auto calibrate the like chrominance values and The sort of the black levels for all that stuff automatically Right, and that's just basically in that main menu, right the the beginning there. That's what um, yeah Well, and this one but it's entirely dependent on the quality of the color bars you feed it You feed it bad color bars. It's going to give you a bad picture. Yeah See and that's that's that's right. Yeah, so I had um Because I have been toying around with a different one it's a little more friendly or user friendly and easy to do on the um Like the m series almost it's like literally like you said it's there's only a couple different options You pick it and then it does and it'll start saying it's doing it. And so that's so that's a really good example of how you could use this a kind of equipment in a situation to Check that because then also at the same time Once you get once we got that pattern figured out on from The pattern generator you could also throw in the pattern from the super nintendo, right? And then you'd be able to see How close the difference is from now the Super nintendo jr. Composite supposed to be one of the best ones I've seen the vector scope data that artemio generated For that now that would be a stock jr. Um, so I don't know if uh modifying it for rgb affects the original Composite signal or not. Maybe it doesn't maybe it's totally fine, but uh I would know knowing artemio that that would be a completely unmodified junior that he measured and sort of that relationship between luminance and and and chrominance Is uh, it's it's really good. So you can You can rely on those color bars to be pretty close. Um Super nintendo has some other weird stuff like the old super nintendo's if you've ever I don't I don't know how much well You know, you let you you invite me on to your discord a couple years ago and I just started running wild on there, so um, yeah Yeah, but one of the first things we discovered was doing color hdfr like trying to calibrate monitors was that the um the You have a graph for gamma, which is sort of the difference between dark and light Ideally the graph is supposed to be sort of level. Um And the super nintendo's goes like this it goes Huh like that and it's where like at about 50 brightness. It just jumps up and it's too bright. Okay, uh And it's just some weird Artifact of how the super nintendo's designed and you can't get around it. I don't know if the junior got around that That's a good question Yeah, I don't know I got me like if we figure out how to test that we could check that too Yeah, because that's mister Like the mister core for super nintendo is actually so accurate. It has the same mistake in it Oh, yeah, okay, because it's a design flaw of some like, you know, some aspect of the video output circuitry So, um, yeah, so, you know, what it's also basically doing is it's turning Um, like, you know, the we're talking some about the vetroscope and The waveform monitor here the waveform monitor Turns the image into basically a graph And that's why it looks the way it does and and eventually that's why I was kind of joking on The twitter post that you can turn this almost into um Like a matrix mode on some of this older stuff Yeah, yeah, like if you get I was laughing you could get I was trying to go through like the first level of super mario bros Just looking at this Yeah, because you could just see like barely, you know the wave of mario against the background And the background moving because it works really well with horizontal stuff But as like if you do any vertical stuff, it's not catching vertical difference. It's just mostly horizontal, but that's kind of um, you know A quick snapshot of what these are doing and we'll start We'll start playing around with these some more. Um I don't like what I've been I don't know what a lot of these things are right these settings. I mean, I know like for example, this is a double This doubles my field over here. Yeah, it's like, uh, I'm trying to see Okay, so there's So that's just a zoom function on that so there's zoom function over there I wonder no, that's the same on that so that's zoom over there I wonder if there's a So one thing you can do with the supernation of though is that I think if you press the a button It'll switch between 75 saturation and 100 saturation. Right. So you can probably see some things change Oh, yeah, you can see Yeah, so as that brightness goes up, you can see the video standard would be 75 so um You know, one of the things you want to make sure you're measuring properly is that you're on that 75 So, let me ask you let me ask you a question and you probably cannot see that Um Well, maybe if I zoom into it, right, that'll be fun. Let's try this. So there's a there's an abnormality. It looks like up here Uh, which would be Like The top of our white I'm guessing then right there Yeah, probably let's see It looks or could be the small white square at the bottom too. I can't remember which one okay. Okay. Yeah It's let's let's see what that looks like. So it looks pretty pretty crazy. So I should be able to go down go in here And do some stuff like that so you can move that all around and then Well, I thought I'd be able to magnify because you zoomed in too far. Yeah, there you go. So let's see and then No, that's not really gonna help You can sort of see a little bit of so you see how it looks like it's curvy along there a little bit. Yeah, that's interesting It is interesting Okay, so oh there we go No, that's as high as I can do on there So I don't know if that's um, I don't know if that's a thing or not Like what you want to do now is compare that to the uh, let's turn that down We should hook up the other one on a different channel. Yeah, okay switch back and forth between the two. Okay. Okay, so What we should do then is Um Let me back out of all this Oh, look at that. Look at how squiggly it is there when I magnify it times five Wow Okay, so we'll pull this pull our bar back over here And Set it like that and then we'll try this other one put that back into place And I can't remember. Maybe it's one of these Well, there's a lot of things in here like presets that I have not played with at all Yeah, I I found the manuals for these pretty quick on tectronics's website like you just search it in google It comes right up. Yeah, like official tectronics, you know manuals from them, you know, so you know It's not like a crappy scan um Okay, they're pretty cool, but they're like two three hundred pages long That's like right, you know, I like Steve and I don't know if I'm gonna read out 300 pages of this manual No I know I'm just trying to see if there's anything Okay, then I want to make sure it's up there. All right, so let's uh Let's go ahead now and um, well, let's just fire this other one up But if people people at home can't see because the angle is a little bit different But we're going to start I'll I'll pull this thing right here Um And pump it through now should I There should be a separate input where we could How also If I could display the color pattern on the pvm From the unit so I could probably from the output of that into the pvm Uh, well, it should it should I would imagine has either there's a there's a master monitor out on the back of that, uh Unit or You'd have to switch channel a channel b for both Yeah While you're fiddling I'll entertain everybody So what of the input, uh, the input listings on here aren't exactly like line a out Right, let me look at the I know I think I still have those manuals somewhere Let me read to you what I've got on the back here. Hopefully I don't knock that move that soup and That's a signal generator Got that one All right Maybe I downloaded it already All right, so There's our color bars again and Back of this unit. Sorry about that So and hopefully it works. I've not even tested it Uh, but it's it's got like yeah, it says stuff like sub carrier sink blanking black test signal. Do you think test signal would be or Uh, wait a minute run by run through those again There's a lot of them sub carrier No blanking. I don't think that would be it black No, it's interesting that it outputs it can output individual aspects of the signal Yeah, individually, but there should be like a composite out or something. There should just be a master That's what I was it says test signal and bars. Do you think that's the one we should use or And then there's a gen lock. I don't think that the gen lock would be No, that's for synchronization, right Um Well, I had that let's see television signal generator Open somewhere. It's got to be well test signal would have to be probably it I'd imagine, right? I would think so That's what else would you know, that's the closest sounding option Should I change all these over to color? Yeah And like the manual describes the waveforms really well Um, but I haven't seen the outputs yet We'll see let's see that's going in To the monitor and see if it actually shows a video signal All right. Now. I just need to plug power into this thing and hope it powers on Go to get power into it. See if it even Generate something if it even turns on I'm not seeing any really Life from it hang on. Uh-oh There's a fuse in it Yeah, well Nothing no lights. No nothing It looks like it got the crap beat out of it when it was ripped out of the Um, rack mount. Yeah, let me let me try a different plug in We could always just compare it to some other system too like a I don't know what you got laying around like a wee or something Oh, let's see. I've got probably something else here Um, you know, that's too bad Nothing So we'll have to see if I can get that to fit and fix that All right. Well Unfortunately, that one's not gonna work Oh, at least right now So that We won't be able to pull up those. I don't know if that'll uh Be something I'll be able to fix or not But the other ones the other devices didn't seem to be so useful for us anymore I mean, it was a those uh sync generators or whatever that I saw like only in sort of a You know Place where you have multiple cameras you need to synchronize everything in some sort of like Multi-camera like broadcast or something like that would those be helpful Yeah, and and so much of that stuff is just not even Like relevant the way it is anymore It seems like it can so much newer stuff can synchronize Without that equipment probably and I don't yeah, it's all that's Beyond useful anymore. Yeah, that's what was laughing on this was these were really the two items and then the other way for monitor Uh, so thankfully this one, uh Video measuring it actually works, but yeah, it looks really great Uh, let's I'm just trying to see if there's anything else On here that I could pull up and like you said, what we'll do is we'll um We will Put in a different console here in a second to check that out um but So so that we can at least get something to see if if that's Just showing on here or it's actually something from another. How well can you see the uh The sort of background graph on the uh, the right hand screen So like well, that's the thing this this one you can see pretty well I mean, there's a backlight on there's a backlight in it. Yeah, but it's not Um, I mean, I think the backlight doesn't work on the other one or yeah, I that's a good question I don't actually see Which it might not I don't see the back. I don't see a backlight on that but I do see What's it doing? I had it on some way that it was showing some different stuff right I know on mine. I have The what what's the one that works? I think mine the one that works for me is the 1740 It just has a crt button And when you press that you can change all the settings for the monitors themselves the actual crt Settings Wow, you can't so oh the you can change. Yeah, see so I could change some settings, but not a lot on there like I can uh and there's a There is like a calibrate oh That might be a signal calibration, right? Yeah, there's and then figure That's pretty deep I know It can do a lot of measurements. Uh, obviously All right, so Let's get out of all that and Kind of get back to a regular regular spot Apparently those crt's have a touchscreen laid over top. Oh, is that right? It's not a touch screen. It's a I don't know how I made it. It's got something on there. I swear I figured out a way I think there's some like menus if you open them up that you can sort of nav Through the menus by touching the actual crt themselves. Really? But yeah I don't know, but I think it depends on kind of which menus you have open Yeah, that's that's like you said I have to figure that out through the video or through the menu Because that one's not right there. That's basically just that Oh look at there So that's just like the monochrome Yeah Wave that you have on the right hand side Like it's just looking at the luminance value of the signal. Yeah, it's just your steps Yeah, it's just steps and then um, so Right if you go in and like we look at a different signal So can you see like on like if you go back to the steps? Yeah Uh, and the color bars I suppose um Yeah, there you go. You can go 100 percent 75 percent. Yeah If you move that Up and down with like the vertical control you can see I think on the Graph, you know behind the image Where zero is yeah, where negative 40 is for the uh So if you get negative 40 for the sync tip You have zero for the you know absolute floor of the signal And then there should be like something that's marked 100 up there too 75 should probably be marked as well, but like If you have The zero Like actually lined up with the zero line on the graph And your sync tip is right there negative 40 and your 100 white is actually at 100 percent Then you know your signals got the right amplitude. So let me ask you a question um What so if what you're saying is right then I don't have And I have this down at minus 40. Is that right the bottom? So Yeah, so the um the bottom line left left in right hand edges You have those like you see you having like a sort of a table and then they drop down on both sides That's the actual sink right in this down there. Yeah, right when it falls off Now, what do we drop down? What am I drawing? But am I lining up this bottom line down here on the negative 40? or Like I mean is what we're like, I mean we're talking about sync, right? So is that is that this table you're talking about or is that the one way down here at the bottom? Well, you would hope that the one in the middle is actually on zero And the one at the bottom is actually on negative 40 at the same time Okay, so what if Because that's good because this one says it's uh Literally right on a 7.5 Uh Interesting. I interesting. Is there like uh a 7.5 ire or something like that or is that not a factor? Is that just not even what I'm talking about? I'm not even well not for the super nintendo Not for the super nintendo color bars. Yeah, what if I go down switch it back to 75 percent But see you see how the the the that line doesn't that line doesn't not move, right? Yeah, it shouldn't Yeah, because that's zero volts. You want zero volts to be zero volts like Always interesting um Now the on a standard color bar signal That's you know, like an american ntsc signal It does have that 7.5 percent or 7.5 ire pedestal That rt is treated as black um Japan later actually it was an engineering problem. They couldn't figure out how to uh squeeze uh All the way down to zero and still have room for other things Back in the 50s and then japan actually solved that problem in i want to say the 70s or something like that maybe the 60s and That's why japanese tvs have a zero ire pedestals because they solved the problem that the americans couldn't figure out in time All right, i'm not actually uh I can't do that um See i thought again i thought i had something over here on this side that i could do but i can't figure it out anymore um All right, i was still trying to look through the manual for that thing See if i could find the uh crt adjustments Yeah, it's literally just poking around at this thing So yeah, i mean it's just so it tests waveforms as everybody's been seeing and the funny thing is it's really At this point um What you said was the most useful thing probably for this was if you wanted to have a practical use would be to do that color Check so if we Get in here. Let's so so The best thing might be to do is then test another color Pattern, so let me try to find a it would need to be composite um Signal that i can pull up with The test suite on it. I could definitely do sega. You think that would be bad different. Yeah, the genesis is um Dynamic range is just not there Uh, i mean it's good to have The genesis version for a few different reasons But you couldn't really use it as the the basis for for anything. I don't think Oh, no, but we can look at and compare it right compare it. Yeah, if you just wanted to compare it, that's totally fine Yeah, i'll grab some other consoles here in a second and we'll um We'll compare that but that's interesting. So you don't think I mean this this tv's being weird like it doesn't want to let me pull up sometimes doesn't let me pull up the menu When it's got a signal put into it Uh, that's interesting. I know and Yeah, see so this is like auto chroma phase Yeah, it should be yeah under user control one. There should be um Auto adjust value you turn that on and then you hit start Okay, and then it'll it'll it'll run it So if i but and if it doesn't like the color bars, it will fail it Yeah, I know i've seen it do that a couple times Uh, let's see what it does one of the do this because I don't really care if this um I just want you can only fix it with better color. All right, right. I can always go back and do it again. Let's uh, Or just turn it off I'm trying to figure out why it won't let me see Because if I go let's if I go click here see it goes away If I go down here and I click on Enter and I click start right now. Maybe it'll do it. I don't know I don't know. We'll see if it does Usually it comes up with like a little bar and you can tell it's starting to move stuff around and make adjustments I don't know why I don't know why it's not showing me the menu on this um On this particular monitor when it's got an actual signal into it for some reason. Hmm L2s I haven't really messed with I mean to the degree that I know that the software is similar to the l5 And it's really an m2 underneath. Yeah, it's it's like it's it's Must be doing the cycle still because it won't let me change right now Okay, maybe I locked it up and I'm being slow about it L5 is pretty quick. I'll have to turn it back off and on probably here in a second because it looks like it's not It probably said it didn't like it and then uh Ooh set jump right there. Whoa Okay That's interesting when it was turned off the whole thing jumped a little bit went lower Yeah Okay I don't oh see so What about this though would this have anything to do with it to 7.5? I would first, you know for for video games You can turn the composite signal to nts set up zero If you were gonna watch a vhs or what is that so what is that even um I'll be honest with you. I don't know what that really even means for this ntsc setup. What does that really mean? um You know, I would have to look up exactly what it was that the american engineers couldn't solve because they were probably aiming for Uh Having a video response from zero volts all the way to you know, whatever it was going to be, you know And uh, they they had to leave some sort of basically head room for themselves at the bottom just to to get it to work And so that 7.5 setup Was there to be uh, basically black for our television signals and Later on the japanese fixed it they figured out how to do it all the way down to zero volts and and so they had a little bit more You know sort of flexibility in their signal Uh, and but their reference black is different than our reference black. So you gotta watch out um Yeah So like a super no doesn't go all the way down to zero like or down to one even like, you know If you look at like the kind of colors that can produce it's like Oh, I'm gonna get back down now. It looks like it's I can see it a little better 36 it's interesting uh like the the the line at the top of the sink is probably at about between four and five and then I mean the bottom of the sink over here Oh, yeah, because it's like that hits the one thickness to it. Yeah. Yeah It it goes down and just about hits that one So maybe there should be a trace rotation option also like we kind of need to get Down to the nitty gritty on adjusting the crts themselves Yeah, like if well, this is this signal isn't coming from the crt. So it's not No, it's coming from the super nintendo, right? Yeah and then Whoops, I don't know what I just did. That's the pluge pattern. Oh, yeah Guess the pattern you did it. Yeah So that's yeah, if we look at like So just to let's just have fun here for a second with some people while we've been talking so technically if we look at on the waveform um Like this pattern on the screen here Which is interesting. I'm seeing some stuff over here like There's something on the screen, but I can't tell I can't see it on the screen. It's too dark actually, um Change change your ntsc setup on the l2 to zero I think I just did that Oh, did you I I didn't see if you did it or not Yeah, it's ntsc zero. Okay good So now I think if you go back Uh, get the video back on the screen if you hit Uh, I think the a button on the controller. It's going to switch between the The zero and the seven point five like the japanese version and the america version So then we can see those Yeah, we can see that amplified, but that's what what is that supposed to be on the screen nothing It's just like a black so that you can't really see You just might well, it would be like Oh, I see. Oh look Okay Perfect. So if I turn the brightness up You can see those faint lines Yeah, see look at that. Wow that is cool. So we were just talking The this stack in the middle and I I'm wondering if that's not something that maybe is A bad cap in this unit or something that's showing that wine lines quickly unfortunately in this thing But oh maybe So because it seems to be pretty consistent Uh, so this stack right here is obviously this stack right here and like white Is all the way at the top of this stack, which should be like at 100 which it pretty much is Well, it's a little lower than 100 actually And So You'd probably want I mean, that's okay. It's a little bit lower than 100, right? So anyway the um And then blacks the bottom zero So that's why the whole most of the screen is black right now And then you can kind of see the faint three columns And then you can see them right here on the screen finally and as I change as they get brighter So do their waveform lines and they come up a little bit And this stack stays the same and it's it's just a cool like visualization of moving that to a graph And then if you did have The need or ability to adjust that right according to a standard I think if you press another button on the controller, it'll show It'll highlight the bars and tell you what the values are Um, you might want to hit start it'll tell you Okay Like what the buttons do Bars are the lowest values the system can show Okay, so those inner bars we just talked about Uh-huh are the lowest values the system can show blew it one And two IRE And great three In full rgb Yeah Yeah, so if you is there more than one page? Yeah, yeah, I can't remember if it tells you what There is uh, there's four pages There should be a button that will highlight The boxes and tell you what each each box value is Is it saying L or R? I think it says yeah, okay, let's see that Well, no Maybe my ROM's wrong. Let me let me put it in the other cart. Let's try this one. Okay. Okay. Let's see it might just Okay What's the one we're looking at pluge Pluge, yeah There is that now this one's different No It should be at the top. Oh, you're right. Whoops. Sorry Okay Let's see if we could see that you could see those so what we're looking at Is the first one is blue at one? And blue at two So that's why when you're looking on your screen the camera does catch the blue a little bit better You kind of see that You can cycle this through blue red and green and then gray Still getting the goofy alien on that button. Let's see if any of the other buttons. I do anything Oh, yeah, you're right. That cycles the colors Red green blue Now should we if we put this on the vector Uh, you're probably not going to see anything on the vector scope only the reading color Right, but it'll you'll see a little bit. Maybe right. That's what I was going to say. There is a little bit on there. I wonder if I can It'd be so low amplitude though that that's why you're not really going to see a whole lot If I zoom in Man, you could really zoom in on that. You can zoom in a lot. It looks like this looks like an atom or something, man It's nuts. So like you said if I cycle Well, all right, so let's go full Oh, look at that full range and that's Oh, that's green, right? So let's see right So like you said it says down here colors mm-hmm I just can't see the darn screen at all. I wonder if I put my flat like a flashlight on it I'll be able to see it or not. Um Wow, wow. Wow. So it says like yeah There's a green line, but it's it's quite a ways over here. I mean, it's in the same vicinity And then there's a blue one right here And then there's a red one right up here. It's kind of like a zone on each of them, right? It says she was aligned and then almost like a zone Yeah So like right there is the that that's the green that we said and then whoop Let's go back and do that Oh my goodness. I pressed the wrong button. Jail illumination Is on page two of the configuration menu. Okay. So then there's red which actually makes sense Yeah, I think that should be pointing to red and then blue right over there So that's that's a cool thing like if you can actually let me let me turn that intensity down so that I think that people would like to see maybe that like that. We just showed where Red or uh, yeah red green blue now if I go out Uh, and I do pull up just like the actual red green and blue stuff Will that show anything? Yeah, but you'd have to put on some way out again. So There we go Yeah You could see there now where Um That's all the way red Yeah, right now and I'm sorry for the flashing on the screen. Let me turn the brightness down. So Okay, so there's a red on there And then green Mm-hmm And blue and then that's what those look like on a waveform. Okay, so then and then whites just all those together Equally, so that's what it looks like all together And uh Getting that line is right under a hundred for full white Good. Um, so that's interesting. Okay so what uh What other fun can we have with the patterns here before? That's a good question. Um So the this one is a kind of interesting just because it shows the actual Yeah, because there's your window pattern and then you can see it right in the middle of the waveform the waveform I wonder how much of that is like the crt focus Uh control and stuff like that that is making it kind of bloom out more than maybe it should Uh, there is focus control on these Is that what you mean on these? Yeah, yeah, it's uh Like if you bring up like the readouts and stuff at the top and adjust the focus you could probably Dial that in a little bit. Maybe but well, it's it's That's what i'm trying to figure out to it. There's see there's you could put cur you could add I guess cursors on the screen. Yeah Mm-hmm reference sets, which is what all this thing seems to do and um Place a cursor Somewhere, so I guess when you're like looking at An image you could sit there and go to different points and put point out different points. I guess right for reference. Yeah Say you wanted to make sure it didn't exceed a certain You know point. Yeah but um If you went to dial in the gain, you know like on an input signal from a camera or something Yeah, I noticed that that was something they would obviously be working on a lot was gain and And uh, yeah, then see there's a way to there is a oh Oh, I thought man, you had me going there for a second. I thought I could could touch the screen In the manual so old there's no way that that had been the uh, that might have been an upgrade that you had to pay extra for Oh, yeah, the florida, uh it's this Department of education of florida property There you go Pensacola junior college, there you go. So um Yeah, let's let's At least try a different signal see, uh, kind of if we can get it in just to give a comparison Kind of how you can see that our color parts and under uh What would this be page three dash thirty two three dash thirty three in the manual for the That downloaded from tectronics. Yeah Not the the four by four matrix touchscreen So what I don't know What okay, let's see if that happens. All right Oh, you're right. Holy crap So Yeah, if That's how you get into the presets like I just oh, yeah There you go There's a preset. So that's whatever's stored in here Yeah, and you could probably pre-program those yourself. That's insane. Yeah, you can But uh, like that at least I'm not crazy then no, you're right. I cannot believe that Wow, okay. That's cool though. At least that's oh, wow, so Hmm. Oh, how do I get out of this though? Maybe preset one or Or something maybe is the generic Like I don't know Oh That's funny There's also like at the bottom. I think you can reset all of the presets If you wanted to if you wanted to Yeah, so let's see. Let's see. Um, that's kind of back. So wait a minute the third so on the so this and this has a bunch of different things in it that But So on the left hand side, is there a configure button? Yes, that's what I'm looking at right now So if you press that you're on what page one? Configure. Yeah, there's three pages. So let's go to page two Oh, how do I do that? Oh, okay And what does that stuff say? A lot of stuff it says Uh Vector Grat internal X Phase display 180 or 360 Bars 75 or 100. It's set on 75 WFM grat Way for a monitor. Yeah, which is the radical is the graph behind the the actual image Okay, that's the graph or whatever that you're comparing it against. Yeah says probe 50 volt dc max times one ABS units millivolts or i re It's an ira. Yeah, so you could yeah Let's see what page three says If it'll let me go to that Oh vector read out on wave 4 meter read out on beep on slow sweep trigger Cw sync. I don't know what that is That's um Cw I think I know that I'll cut my hand. Hmm. Yeah, I'm not sure that's once turned off everything else is turned on um Make the page one Do you see restore clamp? Fix calibration amplifier Wow That's so cool that I did there's this other stuff now in here I don't know what all this other stuff does but you can definitely horizontal calibration Wow Hmm. Oh, and there's a measurement that she could pick up between all these measurements. I guess too Mm-hmm. I still don't know why I'm surprised one of those isn't the Uh turn the background on I swear I turned the background on but it was with I mean I guess it was with pictures. I don't know I mean because it's you can see it more there like if I turn on I mean, it's hard. It's gonna be hard to see on that little camera Right Easter eggs, maybe there's some Easter eggs in it. Someone said that's a good one um If you have a drink let me uh, let me see what other consoles I could just dig up right here Um, I don't know if I have the 240p test suite on n64. Is there one on that or no? Not really. I didn't think I mean there is one but it's sort of Unfinished. Oh, look at that. Where is it? So there I mean the strongest ones are still We and Dreamcast to a degree They have their own eccentricities, but Like the we composite signal is a little weak Uh Do you see how I got I got that backlight on it now? But it's only when it's in like picture mode interesting That is weird I think you have a lot of tinkering Yeah, this is just crazy. I'm I'm glad this one works because it would have been real disappointing if none of it did um But that's interesting Let's uh, I definitely spent several days tweaking The simple one that I had that 13 or the 1740 or whatever, you know What did uh, oh just tweaking what like just getting the because there's all kinds of uh calibration Uh settings to go through to make sure That the vectorscope itself is at the right sensitivity before you input a signal That and then you can adjust the signal to make sure it's correct based on that and stuff like that I see so yeah, I bet that's not. Oh, yeah, because that's why there's there's why there's calibration stickers all over it Yeah Because that was someone's job So if you hit the calibrate button on the left hand side, what comes up? The one below the configure Huh, sorry, what if you uh the calibrate button at the bottom over next to this What comes up? What do you see there? Oh calibration signal on or off Since it's off Volt cursor zero set Mm-hmm calibration amplifier zero set Trace trace rotation And trace rotation might You know like That you know how you said you'd there your zero volts was like planted. Yeah Like that trace rotation would be what you'd use to straighten that out Oh So like if you put a solid black image From the test suite on Yeah Like if you go to the white, I think it's either I think black has its own right Yeah, it does page Interestingly enough, I think if you press a button you can cycle between zero black and 7.5 black and you actually see the pedestal Hit up the a button or something Shoot It doesn't work. Oh, I was I pressed the wrong button probably Let me read that's because Is available with a Select Maybe it's the select button Might be No, it's not so it's like to say maybe my select button is not working x or y or something maybe or l or r Now l and r shuffles the colors Oh, yeah, it would That makes sense But uh, I thought the super nintendo version had I know it does in other ones So and that is definitely Not on See, there's a bunch of different stuff there Mm-hmm Now on the screen right with all this other thing up Mm-hmm It may throw up a test line to do the trace rotation. I don't know Um Yeah, I don't know either. Let's see No, it's not doing anything Calvary since Oh It is a different signal, right? Like I just sent in a test signal, I guess Mm-hmm and see it's just a flat flat line. Yeah. Yeah, and that should be in zero Um Or kind of go across that line Well, yeah, you just want to make sure it's flat That it's actually zero on the left side of the screen and zero on the right side of the screen that the line's actually straight Yeah, it doesn't like lean. I'll be right. It's yeah Because the lean would definitely screw up your right your ability to judge things How in the world did they have oh, I mean it is, you know, it's that's funny So that means that there's Is there an overlay then on these There's some type of overlay on these crt's on the vetroscope and the Waveform monitor has overlays built on top of them on their displays Yeah, and I imagine actually you have the tube that the Uh, the beam is being drawn on and that's behind Some degree that's behind the radical and then the touch screen's on top of that Yeah, so if this thing worked, that's interesting. I wonder if this thing wasn't working because I wasn't pressing the touch screen on it No, I don't think that one would have a touch screen this one No, I don't think so. Okay. No. Yeah, maybe not Not that mine was ever on longer than three seconds. Yeah The 1730 doesn't have a touch screen either So yeah, it's gotta be interesting Yeah, let's get all right. Let me grab something else real quick All right, so I uh, I'm gonna try to find I couldn't find the composite cable Just yet. So I do have one Sega Genesis model one, but this is model two. So I gotta go grab that other Hang on right. All right. So hopefully the Sega Genesis will look different on the wave It looked a little bit different. Yeah, and it's got some I mean it's got its own limitations Right. Um All right And So what are you using mom? I've been waiting for my copy of Dreamcast On that I ordered to still come in Uh, I don't have that either because I know our team you'll want to send us one and Yeah, they haven't made them yet because I I reached out to them a couple weeks ago Because it's been so long. It's like I think I ordered mine out like I don't know over six months ago And they said they were still coming But because I don't know I know it sounds like a dummy, but I don't really know how to burn a Dreamcast game anymore Properly, I mean Do you have a cd burner? Do you have good cdr? So let's start there, right? Yeah, like the cdr problem is more Probably bigger than the I got a dvd like player or whatever burner. I mean a external CD man this stuff I got lucky, you know like a decade ago or so Uh, when I was heavy into that stuff for Dreamcast because it You know for a while there you could I mean you still could I imagine but like a lot of people were using the Dreamcast to emulate like any s games So you can burn that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, you could I mean, I don't know how good it was, but it worked well enough Yeah Okay, let's get back to all right, let's try to get back here to some Good settings. No, I just got to plug this thing. I ended up monitor Okay, okay, okay after that long delay, let's See if we get something else pulled up So Power there. Let's see if we got We get something here on this so this Oh That's like both on oh, there we go Yeah, you probably yeah both so there's yes, there's the other one, right awesome All right, so If I go in here Oh, that's just like your uh SD card loader or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, it's all man. This is like the very first one of these I ever bought. It's so old let's uh I do have at least one of the older probably files on here of this I've been actually going through and uh remixing The monoscopes for all the systems so that they have sort of a unified Look and design. Wow. Okay. Cool. So if we go over here and I like set this uh I set this uh Let me turn that down so people don't get the if I set that there's our pattern for Sega and then if I go over here to this and then I set Our pattern for This and then I press Probably not both right But I don't know ab one No channel a So channel. Oh, yeah, channel ab ab. Yeah channel a and channel b a so Wow, there's a little bit of a like weird. So this is the like a bias voltage difference or something Yeah, maybe somebody smarter than us can explain it later So that's the sega Uh-huh. Yeah, that's the sega Okay, that's the top end on the sega. I want to make sure they're both on the top end one There we go. That's on a hundred percent And that's b1. So if I hit channel a Oh, but see the the zero line shifts up, right? So that's that's automatically showing you that these two are a little bit different Where they're landing on your screen so Wow, that's good. I mean Oh, there we go. There we go So that is interesting because if you look over here, there's a there is a little squiggle but it's I mean shoot, let's go on over that. Let's let's try to Take a look at the difference here and some of these things and actually zoom in Maybe not that much. Maybe not that much. It's so funny. Like you said, uh, so that's that line On the super nintendo. Whoops. Sorry people And i'll go ahead and get closer into here so you could kind of see what i'm saying on the Uh, maybe just looking at here. This is the line. I've kind of zoomed in on which is like the sink Table top line that is that the zero volts. Yeah Yeah, so that's where there's your negative sink pulse right there Right negative sink pulse and then it it's pretty smooth Until jumps again Yeah, and that's where your signal is. Yeah, so That's how it looks on there. Now if I switch over To the other Wow, look it's it kept all those Pretty much the same Oh, it looks pretty smooth. I mean, but it is you can see how it's different It's got a little bit of a difference. Yeah So there's an idea of you know And it's obviously got a horizontal shift. So that's proof too that the signal shifts That's because the the frequencies are different, right and um That's why they'll they'll never people always ask me They'll never match as far as like horizontally between, you know, the two analog signals. Yeah There's like literally different chips that are drawing the genesis. Actually if you Switched between between the genesis 320 and the genesis 256 the 256 would match the super nintendo because it's the same output chip Yeah Because they put that in the genesis to match the output of the master system and the master system and the NES the super NES are all the same sort of basic Uh Like analog output chip So i'm under so if you put them both at the same time it just Yeah, it just freaks out because the because there's too many don't match quite right If you had if you had two legit ntsd signals and you fed them in that they would synchronize and that wouldn't happen Okay, okay. So if I had two of the same signals Pretty much. So if you had two super nintendo's and you wanted to match them for nintendo's Yeah, actually, which would be interesting because then you could have like a old Like you could measure the difference and uh in a SNES jr. You could probably compare those that would be an interesting comparison so um I think it's it's it's quite an interesting thing that look at that. No, that's i'm on the wrong That's the mode seven test, isn't it? Yeah But what does the mode seven test do? it's just I think the coolest trick of this whole thing is is um Is that there at least is some use to it. I think that uh I think that it would be nice I mean, but but isn't this a lot of this just kind of of Redundant like can you do this same stuff with a? um Like the wriggle Uh, the uroscope could do that. That's what i'm saying. The uroscope could do a lot of these things, right? Can it act like a waveform monitor? So yes, it can act as a waveform monitor, but not as the vector scope Oh, okay. So the vector scope is still something that is good because you can't have okay Yeah, so that's cool. So that's you know, you can that's what I thought I thought she could do waveform obviously on So a big like big limitation early on was that you could only do vector scope with composite video Um, there is a model tectronics, which i'm looking for which is the 1760 Which can be vector scope for component video Yeah, that's what I was going to say so you could then feed in the three individual colors And and and you could couldn't technically then you could perfect the color Based on what you want like my big question right now is If you look at the vector scope data for we composite you can tell that the color volume is a little low That it's a little off. You can't really um rely on it too much For a lot of stuff, but the question is is that just a side effect of the fact that the component video is actually more accurate? Yeah, but I wouldn't know for sure until I can get a vector scope that can do component video Then I can measure it Right, even if it's not, you know, if it's 98 percent accurate, that's probably fine for our purposes Yeah, but the we's composite video the color is so weak that like You can't verify anything's like if you go and you know calibrate the white balance and everything and you want to check To see how accurate everything else is it's not gonna happen on the we composite video. It's just too weak Like you could have your peak white could be correct But the color in relationship to that's too weak So the you know all the measurement software will be like there's something wrong here and that's because there is You wouldn't really notice it playing a game um Yeah, you know as long as your white balance is consistent, it's gonna be fine um But if like uh for me um I've actually got uh A museum client like you that is interested in a couple of crts. All right. Yeah, I remember you say that I forgot about that Yeah, and When I calibrate those, you know, like the software I use to do all the white balance and everything I can generate a report I like a print out that's like here's how good the white balance is here. Here's how good the color accuracy is and uh But what's that coming from the modern software that you use right? Yeah, the software can generate that you you measure all the measurements And then it'll generate the report and you can print it out and then you can hand it to the customer and say You're buying this monitor. You're spending this much money and here's how good it is Right like without question like here's the objective data on how close it is to the perfect that it could be brought to You know, um, yeah That's that's great. Yeah, so do I think that will be one of the things I need to do also with you is check that, uh Um Get into that color calibration because I still not mess with that at all Yeah, you you've got a you bought a color monkey. Didn't you? Yeah, it's right here or something else I've still got it and I've got to just Um, so we could do that on a on a next stream. That's that's gonna be a that's gonna be another one for sure Yeah, so that um Because that that that's I mean that's a good thing to offer for people too that, um, what how often You would you would be somebody who has a pretty good handle on How long it takes like how long does it take? Uh, you to do that that color or white balance on a normal I mean, is it really like with these is it just as simple as putting the pattern in and turning that? Uh screen on or what do you I mean when you do a full color calibration with the color monkey? Like how much time I want to make sure I have as good a patterns as possible. Um, And you know, that's the big conversation that we've been having on the discord is what can we actually trust? You know And what's actually affordable right like we want to find Something we can rely on That you can use You know, you're gonna get pretty close Everything else is gonna look fine And you don't have to to to beat yourself up over Unanswered questions. So we've been torturing ourselves on the discord for like a year at least On trying to figure out what's the best best practices for that stuff with the tools that we have without saying Oh go buy a you know, $1,500 pattern generator. So like no, that's not the right answer But uh, well plus it's I mean It does it matter that it would be and like Or that it's that it's not an analog video anymore. I mean I said like do you have to go buy the pattern generator that's Uh analog from an old You know like old I mean my my stopgap has just been using um Patterns from a dvd that are just running from Either from a dvd player or a blu-ray version that goes runs through a blu-ray player And uh, that's limited range video. I can you know, I know how to make that work And then like once you get that set up right you can usually just flip a switch in the full range rgb stuff looks totally fine um but We definitely want to get to a point where we can say Like get this and this and this it's only going to cost you this much money and you won't You won't have to worry about anything else. Yeah, so We're just trying to answer those questions right now So, um, but what are you like? What are you using for like your patterns? Are you a you set a dvd? Is it like a uh The right now you can the biggest one I use the most is the avs forums Rex oven on nine Blu-ray disc and so you just download the software you can actually You can install it onto a usb stick if you have a Media player that can play from usb like some blu-ray players have a usb port. You can just plug something in and it'll play the files Yeah, and that's fine. Um, you can also just burn it to a DVD and a lot of players like the ps3 you can use the ps3 Okay And so the idea is that the software will be in a blu-ray software format But it's burned to a dvd disc and you just put it in and the ps3 sees it as a blu-ray launches the blu-ray player software um Okay, so that's the one I use the most Now something like an l2 you're going to probably do uh Some of it's going to be getting the composite video right Some of it's going to be maybe you input the just the y from component video, which is just the monochrome Uh into the the component input You're going to do the white balance sort of in black and white you turn all the color off You know, is that a manual white balance then? Yeah? Yeah, it'd be a manual white balance. You'd be doing the like 20 pattern and the yeah You know the 100 pattern back and forth and do the rgb gain and bias until you get it all right Usually if you get that close, it's going to look good for pretty much everything. Yeah, that's what I figured if you get that right But then I mean at the end too at the end of the day on a crt specifically. I feel like It's going to depend on uh people's environment Because if they're using something where they don't where they have a lot of ambient light Yeah, it's going to affect anything Yeah, getting the white balance consistent. It's one thing but getting your brightness and contrast set after that. Yeah You that's a that's a second. That's that's much easier. And I think people can do that, you know Pretty pretty easily much better once. Yeah, like you said once you get that white balance so everything else kind of falls in place after that And a lot of the you know, if you have a nice pvm usually can switch between different color temperatures Yeah, you can So you can have all those You know consistent um For both both color temperatures or something like that Okay, but yeah, no, it would just be like you would have a computer That you would have the software running on you'd have the colorimeter hooked up to that You would have some sort of pattern source um Like I said the that disk running on a ps3 would be a good way to do it Uh the we uh 240p test suite is in component videos usually pretty good um It's close. It's not perfect, but it's it's pretty close um Then if you wanted to get fancy and actually output like You know hdmi out from your computer and somehow convert it And you were sure that the conversion was sound Then you could run the pattern generator directly from the software and it's fully automated and it's a lot faster So you but it's but it would be dependent on whatever that converter is You're kind of you're relying on that converter Well, that's where the waveform monitor and the vectorscope comes into play because then you could run the converter through there and verify that it's right Yeah, that is true Because if it was right that would save a ton of time if you're just sitting there running directly from the software Then you don't even have to pull so But like uh l2 or like an m2 i'm you know, mostly familiar with the the 50 series when they actually work right and uh the m2's uh one of those might take me a day like Probably like if I had to recap it i'd recap it in the morning, right? Oh, yeah, i'm not talking about i'm not talking about i'm talking about specifically the color Just the color calibration set not even just the color calibration including the geometry Yeah, the color calibration would take about a couple hours you think two hours Yeah, because you get the white balance consistent the m2 actually has like a an extra little um Second service menu Where you can make little adjustments for like line a and then line b You can do like the component in the rgb has their own little offset So you can make sure your contrast and brightness are consistent across every physical input on the back really Yeah Yeah, the l2's got a similar system. I think it's in a different place But in the uh like an m2 if you hit Whatever those two buttons are that open up the service menu, right? Yeah, digas and like if digas and enter Yeah, then once you're in the service menu if you hit understand and enter it enters service menu two And what there's all these yeah, it's in the manual Are you serious? I'm serious I never wait a second You hit no, so you hit you get you you could get into a sub menu sub menu Yeah, and it's what's the other sorry. What was the other button for the second one? I think it's understand I think it's understand and enter Oh my goodness and what that does is that it allows you I literally like Had that m series. Well, it's a Olympus, but I took it down and put this one up Uh Or I would just try it So and then what's in that? No, I didn't know that at all So the idea is that if you had like a known good source you could plug it into every single input You know rgb composite s video component And then make sure all of those individual inputs are actually producing the same level of light You can kind of tweak those on a per input basis And there's also some white balance offsets where Let's say you get your white balance consistent and that's in black and white When you turn the color back up, there's going to be a little bit of color bleed Into the white balance And you would basically just remeasure like 20 gray and use those offsets to get the The white balance back to where it's supposed to be Including the color and then it becomes more consistent, you know in full color Wow, okay, that takes an afternoon for just one resolution. I can understand for one reason and l5 takes me two days Like I I took somebody's l5 in Um, but but wait a second. How then do you get every res? How do you get this into every resolution? Uh, that's where the blu-ray player actually comes into handy because you can now put 1080 i 720p 40p and 480i from the same device And that's all all the resolutions you're doing those Okay. Yep. Yeah Okay Gosh, yeah, I can't believe it. You're doing so you're running through Put it in each mode and you can set In that sub sub menu You could set that on a per. How do you set it on a per? Well, first off there's 480i so that's going to do 240p. You're not going to be able to change that right? 480i, but is it literally list out like 480i 480p? I think it says On the m2. I think it lists it as composite component rgb In s video. I think What I mean, I'm sorry on the l5 that does the different resolutions How does it does it list each video resolution on there? Well, what it does is You input at 1080i. Yeah, and then all of the menus you interact with are relevant to 1080i And then when you switch to 720p all those settings change Oh, and and you go in and it's got different values in each one Okay, so it's not menu on the open up the menu on the l2. Yeah, it's just gonna be analog. So That's okay But I'll show you what it what I mean. It's it's the same for the l5 If you just open up the regular menu Okay, and go down go down to to the user control Yeah, and then hit enter and then scroll down Is there oh sub control adjust? There you go brightness contrast chrome and phase. That's just for that particular input Oh That's just for like is that line a composite. Yeah, but is it Well, it's not gonna matter for this monitor That necessarily. Well, no, no, it literally well, there's no other resolution No, there's only 480i according to this monitor. Yeah, there's only 480i for that monitor But that sub control is separate for line a composite line b composites s video and component and rgb. They all get their own Okay Actually, I think it's kind of weird that the rgb shared. How how many inputs does that thing have? This one has We'll see it shares an s video input two with composite It's a that and it's going to input card slot. So it only has one rgb So usually what I do like with my 1405. Yeah, let me see is the main input for component I have set up for Component videos sort of like limited range like blu-ray watching movies type stuff, right? So and then the add-on card I have calibrated just for rgb And they would have separate settings because they're separate inputs now Well, so if you so you could go in and even though you're using the same input Can you do different calibrations stored for component versus rgb or is that? No, I think it's you would have your main input. Yeah Brightness and contrast would be separate the add-on card would be its own brightness and contrast, right? Well, which is no well see it does I don't know if those sub controls would make any difference, but I know that It does unlock some things because you can use chroma and aperture on On rgb or i'm sorry component as opposed to rgb you can't right Well, that's that's all very cool. I think that um I think the idea is you get you get the like the Foundational settings, right? Yeah, you get those per input settings, right? And then if you have to make a tiny tweak From one random signal to the next you'd only have to use the knobs on the front And that's you would never have to touch those other menus again Yes, yeah if Wow, so yes, you go through and do all that with each one of those inputs. That's pretty incredible. It takes a while Yeah, that was like I said with the With the l5 multiply it by four Right because for all the different resolutions like I said, it takes me two days to do an l5 Good grief And that's not recapping it like I recapped an l5 deflection board once I was like, I don't ever want to do this again. No That's actually easy because you can see yeah, you could get the deflection board out It's when you got to work on the other board that sucks. Oh, yeah, and you're not wrong Like it's it's not bad. I don't my soldering iron is not very finely tipped So I've got really good stuff on that really fine circuit work Sony did once you started getting to the 50 series and the m series Like I can still do it. It just Check out. It hurts my feelings. I haven't used this. This isn't actually like an esd tip Mm-hmm. Can you see that on there like how tiny that is on this pretty good. That's pretty tiny. Yeah, that is like a knife edge And it's like microscopic Let's see if I can put it out there to look even better It is just so tiny and it's not the one the other one I use on it. It's actually not much bigger than that but I had to get A different for my soldering iron, which is a little bit more expensive hacko one I had to get different wands all together now like you can't even get like this tip won't fit in the other one For a little bit larger Tip they're different tips. You got to buy different wands And uh, it's like having a a whole You know fortune in these things when you did you see that uh that guy retweeted The other day about that uh hacko Hand crimper like capacitor leg bending tool No, I saw that I was wondering like what is there actually any reason for that Because you could You could buy that tool and you could bend the legs perfectly and then they would be like a little clip You could just pop it into the pcb and it wouldn't fall out when you're trying to solder it Okay, I was wondering why you would even want I was like, why is he putting all these Well, you know, you pulled the old caps out. They've got that little curve to the leg Yeah, like that was a tool that did that I knew it. Yeah, okay Okay, and they're like 20 bucks. I'm gonna buy some because that's I was wondering I was wondering if it was like I thought maybe that there was some kind of design Intention on but it's just literally just to to give it a thing that you push up like you literally put it through and like snaps in almost Like it'll snap in and then you clip them. Oh She she yeah because that would save me man Yeah, if you could end them and put them in and they hold their own place and you solder them And then you trim them you're done like you don't have to worry about falling out or like getting away from you Because I have done Well, I take forever Recap and stuff Because I try to do it like really like nicely. I mean, I'm pretty good at doing it quickly, but I still don't take Like I'll put literally no more than four or five caps in at once And then yeah, I mean if I'm really Yeah, I tack in one that's the most I'll do I'll tack in one leg and then clip all the legs Then tack in the other leg and then reflow the solder on the leg. I crimped and that you're right that would be a lot easier to just Re crimp it and then golly with something like Um, anything that's radial goodness like a diode or a resistor hole That would be much better because those will just fall out all over the place and If you try to like flip it without, you know, it just fall right out So that's pretty nice I never thought about it that way I I could imagine the tool that that did it, you know, you know years ago I was like this has to exist right And I never found it I didn't know even know what it was called or what to look for and then I saw that post on twitter and I was like Oh, this is like a miracle. This is what I've been dreaming of Oh goodness gracious. Yeah, it's a funny things you get nerded out over it's like I'm just you know I I I wish that uh I wish that some of this other stuff would have worked But it's like all this old equipment just gets so crazy about and then you'll find some new hack on something I really do wish uh That sometimes I feel like with hacko stuff It's almost a little bit difficult to find like you know something exists that they have And then it's it's almost a little bit of a scavenger hunt sometimes to find the exact item Like you have to go and find it specifically on the website Or you might not have found the right version Low. Yeah, it's it's not easy to navigate there. It's like really slow Well, I don't think it's easy to navigate through to like I feel like sometimes I look at for replacement parts And sometimes I'll find the part I need and other times I'll hunt through there and it won't be there And it's like you got to look around more but The equipment's nice um Well, yeah, so what? Maybe what we could do next time. Goodness gracious. See here's what I've got to do. Um Instead of Like waiting Well, what I'm waiting for what I've been waiting for on like the color and was I was waiting for that dvd to come in or this I'm sorry the cd for the dreamcast um Because I didn't know Do you have your we I have the weeds, but I don't I don't have any uh, if they're not hacked at all Oh, okay. Yeah, so it takes a little while It takes a little fiddling to get one up and running that's what I was gonna say It's like it's like which of these paths do I do do I try to go burn this cd? Do I try to pack a wee Hacking a wee would probably be less headache than trying to burn. Yeah, probably so so I need to do something like that to get that up but I'm also wondering If since I had but then see now that I have this do I just go in Well, we should try to get that thing up and running. Yeah so now It's not going to have everything that we would want to have for like running color acfr you know and and and using that that software, but it should have you know You know presumably perfect color bars and I would help either with either some sort of That's the thing. It's like you take the lid off of that signal generator um Are there a bunch of fiddly knobs where you have to calibrate it by hand or yeah, I'm sure it's something like that. Well, and I It just looks like it was manhandled Yeah, just ripped out. So we got to figure out We got to figure out if we can get that thing to power on and and if you're going to be a good thing It's it's it's like not even turned on so maybe I'll open it up. It's just something simple Like a broken thing or something I could just put back together But then uh, we could check that out next time We could check out some color stuff too next time For sure with you we could hang out But uh, do you I guess the next question besides a weird dreamcast is do you have a ps3? No, so that's the other thing. I don't have actually a ps3 And I've been looking at those. I don't know what's Um, I don't I mean I don't want to spend a bunch of money So I'm honestly not going to go get the backwards compatible ps3 No, what's like the best one to try to get that? Is well any of them It wouldn't have to be a backwards compatible one necessarily It would just be one that had the av out right that has to so you can analog. Yeah um The other thing that you could just do is get a standalone blu-ray player from that era um that has It has to be like before 2010 or something like that. Otherwise you can't do uh High definition off the uh component line because that's when they put the uh copy protection in the hgmi Oh, um So you have to get like a Uh bdps 350 It's got like component out and composite and s video native on the back of the player Yeah, that's the one i've been using. It's pretty good. I used to have one of those and it burned out on me Well, you find another one on ebay for 25 bucks. Yeah, and if people don't really want them anymore I bought it when it was like new and it was a lot of money So it's like a planet earth blu-rays Yeah um Yeah, so that's I guess you could just buy that would be pretty much cheap That would be the least expensive one rather than if you if you already had a ps3 that would be great Since you don't buy a standalone blu-ray player Uh, it's blow did a little bit slower to do it Uh manually like that, but it's a good start. It gives you uh pretty good results right away Yeah, and then gosh it would be so handy though to go straight from So you can pull up a bar from the programming and If you could just directly feed that Into the crt So that's what it's so it's like so it's probably super easy and convenient to use that If you were gonna like the color monkey in the software if you're color Calibrating a high def set, right? Yeah, because you just pull the bars up from the software and it does so that's like what it's most color bars and like the grace scale Yeah, yeah, where it's like the um 10 percent windows Wow 10 percent windows are in the super nintendo But if you use that like you can use that and you will see where it goes wrong Now does that mean if you plug something else in you get a better result? Maybe um And you you do have a s and s jr. So we could we could certainly still try that um, yeah Like the um the grayscale Yeah Yeah, let's see That's where I started all I had was my junkie old, you know, uh You know really old super nintendo and uh hell like 12 years ago. I had to build my own rgp cables from scratch Uh, you can even you can even buy that stuff yet. Like that stuff didn't exist When I uh when I got my pvm 25 30 I had to make that yeah, I made my first uh, I made my first uh Uh rgp cable to hook my super nintendo directly to the 25 pin connector on the back of the 25 30 Wow, like and I made it myself. Yeah that makes sense What uh, what are you like not this ramp, right? Or is this the ramp? Um, no no no go back So go to um What does it say 100 100 re? Oh, yeah, there it is So you can cycle through that l and r and it goes from zero of 10 20 30 40 on the controller So like you said 100 then that's why that lines at 100 Yep, so if you just cycle through Like I said, I think it's just l and r 110 what's that 90? Oh, yeah, uh, yeah, don't worry about that What is that? That's the background. Yeah, that's the background changing Oh, oh, no, you have to switch You hit a button that went from 100 re and above to Oh, you could vary intensity with l and r by You can toggle between zero to 100 With the a button. Okay. Yeah, so make sure you're on the zero to 100. There it is Okay, so now you can cycle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. So you could go all the way down to zero 10 10 20 Wait, goodness. So you should be able to see that right, but it's not on 20 Like well, the super nintendo is not perfect either. So Like the 10 is on 20. Well, no, I've got to readjust the line, right? Yeah You want to get your zero line where where it's supposed to be If you can turn the crt brightness down to like that might make it easier to read Not the not the not the sony, but the yeah When we figure out how to manipulate the the the monitors on the Oh, I can like do that way for monitor. Oh, yeah There you go. So that might make it actually easier to read against the read against the black Yeah, so let's let's get Let's see that too so that this is this is the graph here. This is 10 IRE So I'd say the 10 is like probably more around Little over 10 And then See then my 40 line goes down a little bit But that's real close to 20 It's on 20 30 actually is around 40 30 40 is a little low, but it's That normal for it to jump Yeah, that's the the that's the weird thing about the super nintendo is it's got this huge jump near the halfway mark. That's crazy. It's like jump. Yeah, I mean it's So that just means a super. We're just testing the basically super nintendo signal So it's doing pretty good. I mean, yeah, no, it's fine. Like you can use that It's a great way to get started with with color hefr in the color monkey. Okay Like it's not going to be perfect but like yeah, if you want to learn the mechanics of how to use the software and how to use the color limiter And you get comfortable with all that stuff. You can use this super nintendo Well, and let's do that. Let's do that on another stream this week then Yeah, okay, we'll follow up on that because then if you've got time then we'll try to do that Well, cool. Well, it's uh, it's almost been two hours it's been a lot of fun hanging out with keith and just Learning more about these wave four monitors and the vector scope, which is probably the cooler Looking thing. So hope everybody had a good time with us hanging out I certainly did my best, but I don't think we had time to try and pull artemio into it or something Yeah, right. He's well. I figured with artemio artemio is more of a night. He seems to do his streams later Yeah, I think he has a jobby job. So yeah, you're right. So he must just not never sleep I feel like he doesn't But yeah, he's the only one I've ever seen that like post pictures of this stuff a lot and I was like, oh I really wanted one of those. So, uh, but that's really cool. Like we'll follow up and and we'll We'll use this stuff. I'll get that colorometer going And we'll you know, we'll run some tests just because this is These are just my monitors. Anyway, we'll figure out which one we want to do Maybe an m-series if that's really the one we could run through probably the simplest or the one you're most familiar Yeah, I like the m-series a lot. Yeah, those are and that's one that most people probably are using out there so But all right, uh, thanks again, Keith. Thanks everybody for Hanging out today and if you just came in late The playback will be pretty much available right away And you know the live chat and everything else be ready in a couple of like almost a day or something. So All that's good. Thanks again, Keith. Uh, I really appreciate your time today and we'll get together again soon