 Yo what up everybody it's your boy Mr Ghana baby right here in Kigali Rwanda and today I've been joined by my own brothers, they're like We're going to the tree eh? It's going to be a tree It's going to be a tree? It's going to be a tree? No, it's alright, in half of the tree Tell me your name and what do you do in here? Okay my name is Benedict, I am an optometrist from Ghana and currently practising in Rwanda I've been here for a year and so far so good What about you? My name is Daliha Bershaza, a student and investor of Kigali doing my master's in computer information management So far so good and I'm here for about five months now Five months now? What brought you to Kigali because of school or because of? One is because of school, and two I saw Onimaya Onimaya brought you here? Yeah that's impressive, it looks like a lawyer I came to visit after a video before I came back You came back? Brother I'm William Mopari, I'm a lawyer and that's my law firm, Millennium Law Chambers Here in Kigali Wow, so how long have you been here? A year and nine months Almost two years You know what, I just wanted to talk to you all, share your experience with me How will you describe Rwanda, let me start from you How will you describe Rwanda? Okay personally Rwanda is a safe country As you can see it's really clean It's a clean country I think it's a place where there's a lot of room to grow There are a lot of opportunities in Rwanda And it's open to everybody Especially those of us in the legal field I believe there's a place for growth I want this to add to this, Rwanda is a land of opportunities Opportunities never run out So many of them, as long as you know where to pass at the right time There are so many opportunities In my one year, I think I've really enjoyed it Rwanda is rightly clean But there's something I have to add Rwanda is a low abiding country Low abiding country You just have to obey the law You're trying to tell me that you don't obey the law in Ghana I would say that's the problem of Ghana If you ask me, that's the problem of Ghana We have all the laws, very beautiful But we don't apply them Should we apply the laws of Ghana? I don't want to compare It's a low abiding country To add to it, it's off like here Some of us, those of us in the legal field Who are telling you that You have to go to the prison to see the number of people there And especially when you go to the prison You realise that the law is not respect of persons If you evaluate the laws And you're supposed to be in there You cannot go against it It's so strict, the laws are really strict Which is okay, which is good for some of us If you are somebody who intends to You are striving to be a low abiding person And I believe it helps Because without the laws in place And without people following the laws I believe this country will not be the way it is supposed to be So part of the group is I would say it's as a result of the laws in place And people being low abiding Those here in Rwanda, I have to tell you Don't drink and drive And you drink When you are caught And not very long ago A very top brass of the government Was arrested for speeding He went over the limit He was caught and then he was punished Pretty something that can happen in Rwanda Thank you But with respect to that They are security Among any 10 people You'll find 6 of them being the security experts And that's what I have realised So therefore If anyone doing any other 10 Which is against the law You'll be notified Immediately you do it Because of their security setups Wherever you pass You see people just going up and down Most of them are security experts Making sure that They are putting you into check Immediately something happens It happened to me I think I was driving In here I wanted to make a social experiment So what we did was The traffic We crossed it Traffic police over there They didn't say anything But when I think 2 minutes Another police just crossed us Like within 2 minutes And just told us to park Why did you do that And I just showed them the video of hitting in the car And I showed them I'm doing an experiment To do this boy I hate to not say Because I've realised there are so many of them Everywhere I go in the country Everyone is talking about that video So I just wanted to do that Social experiment They are everywhere You can't even notice sometimes But I want to know We all are from Ghana I don't want to compare But do you think that Ghana can learn from Rwanda From your experience in here Or can learn from Rwanda I think For now in Rwanda There's Absolutely so Tolerance to corruption That's one thing I've come to believe And become a believer of it That it's possible For an African country To be able to achieve this kind of level Be intolerant To Corruption Here I don't want to compare Ghana to Rwanda In that regard But I believe they've really put in measures If you are From wanting There's nothing like I know a big person A big person It's true It's true Most of the time When you hear some of the cases And then you realize That people are In prisons for corruption And stuff like that You need to go see those kind of people You could see that this person Was really occupying a big position And then You couldn't account for certain things They say you are corrupt You did something to yourself You know your position The law Nobody is going to come And the investigation processes Also don't take that long Not at all Just a moment Everything is settled I can't remember the other time The lawyer asked me to go with him To the court for some proceedings Before we get the judgment I've already been pronounced And I'll say Moreover We are judge systems Of course systems I was telling my brother I don't know if we could learn Because it's like crash rooms About 30 people in each court And the case is about you And the other person So you are the people needed over there Everything being said within a moment But the case that The lawyer He told me I love you I'd like to take it from the health Aspect because I'm into health They have a very proper And well organized health referral system Unlike Ghana for example I stay close to Kulib So with anything I just get up and go to Kulib It doesn't work that way here So they have the M12 Something like the national health insurance we have And they have health centers In every I think district So if you have any problem Just go with that insurance to the health center They are professionals All KDF professionals there Then if it needs a referral They then send you to a district hospital From a district hospital to the tertiary If you are referred from the health center Through this procedure You don't pay any extra costs But if you think You get better service at the district And you skip the health When you go to the district you pay The insurance doesn't now pay for you So once you go through the system You are living in at the health center So once you go to your district and your tertiary It's very free And then they see all the specialized cases So instead of traveling outside You just go through the system And you get all your services here So if you can learn that sort of Systems I think we can clear a lot of this No best No ambulances Exactly Let's talk about transportation How is it like? I love the ambulance I believe for me it's like I think When it comes to transportation When it comes to transportation It's GoPro-ing Rwanda together I think it's really expensive here Yeah, that one is true You know for them With the motos They call it Motor Motor Rwanda calls it water And it's also expensive Because here You can never ride a motor without a helmet And then And I think Motor people they have their own association And stuff like that So I think that It's traffic There's traffic here You can't current more than 2 people 4 people You can't I was in Uganda I was in Uganda I was Like 4 people Motor routes in Uganda It's crazy This place is Moreover We are paying for the safety of the route As well Everything is inclusive But we don't see But I think we can learn also With the Ayaholo system Yeah I think the idea came it was good But it was poorly implemented If we can go back Revisit that thing And then put structures in place I think always we call it the as good as What they have Instead of facing out the truck trucks Those truck trucks Those trucks I think If we can probably organize those Truck truck orders And then give them Those buses Probably today The government doesn't buy the buses We give you the buses Work and pay for them Then we gradually face out all those old ones Then each one is giving the car The tap and go car Just as we see in Kigali here And also make Reduce the traffic The travel time in Ghana Reduce a lot of traffic And save a lot of lives We can do it It's not difficult At least our routes are wider And I don't use that way Sometimes We're really talking about cleanliness In some of the videos Sometimes when you're in Ghana It's very important Oh It's very Very serious And I think sometimes It seems they burn plastic here And it has really worked for them So it's possible I know everything is possible It's very very possible We can do even best Because Ghana you are known for the best Our education everything I'm not used to cleaning I'm not used to cleaning You know how the best education Is a way of changing the environment And also learning about people Just because of the videos I wanted to know How other people react to society And we can also bridge them All over And we can learn something new And send it home Before I let you guys go Because this isn't what I've seen in this country I like plantain chips I like buying water I can even buy pure water How do you guys find that one? The upper rubbish I'm getting pure water Chichinga along the road I can't even buy kebab I can't even get over I'm getting cold I'm getting cold Look at this I don't have to do anything like With health implications We are not supposed to sell houses Because of the term You should be You cannot sell on the streets You should be enclosed with places For people to sit And you should have your health certificate You should go for health screening To satisfy you Before you can sell food That helps so much I want to say Thank you so much for talking to me And I really appreciate your time Sir lawyer I'll come for a case Someone I want to report I hope you guys have enjoyed this amazing episode I'm going to see you in the next one Peace out