 Never have I said the supernatural does not exist not in this debate nor anywhere else and it's dishonest of you to suggest that I have What I have pointed out as I have tonight is that we I don't know of any way to confirm the supernatural I'm not saying Jesus did not rise from the dead. I'm not saying I know Jesus did not rise from the dead because the supernatural is real I'm saying you cannot Demonstrate as far as I can tell that Jesus rose from the dead and the claim that someone rose from the dead Whether it was by supernatural means or natural means is far more extraordinary than that Those two claims cannot be established on the same standards of evidence