 Fumafrikan Futbol, Raita and Sef Mutie. Foma Kenyan International, ofkoz, speaking to us from Nairobi's the alumni of Staray Boy Center. We have to mention that as well. Ofkoz, good to speak to you gentlemen. Let's start with Bonfa Sosano. Sorry, apologies for the technical reasons. What might have informed you to contest for these particular seats? Andy, please proceed. Yes sir. As I said, So, fustena mtunutu na kwawea ya mw�ro, wujwu k telesima ni kwawej ni wanuwa. So, mtunutu na kwawea ya mwwo wiyuwa, kwawea ya mwwera. Kwawea ya mwwwera yung wa ni wawandu. And na hema na ya, mhwweja yewa kwawea muwea kwawea matne dentali. Kwawea yung wa nrighta yung wa ni wafing. Dima ni wikia dweha. We have seen footballers being pressured to go into football management. Didi Drogba, they will request legend and he also featured overseas in French league and notably in Chelsea and won medals with them. Isbid has been rejected by footballers themselves. Can we say footballers are enemies of themselves now that you have played football for some clubs locally Do you think, are you looking forward breaking that narrative that footballers can't support their very own? No, no, that one is an isolated case. Every person has their own story to tell. That was Drogba's story. We know about George Weyer. King George Weyer has another story to tell and we have many other footballers who have taken very good care of the federations. Kalusha Bwalia has performed very well and there are very many examples. Everybody has their own story to tell. In Kenya, I would say football has been hijacked by non footballers for a very long time. And when I saw Nick Mwenda was coming in, I thought maybe he would bring in the change that is needed because he is a young tack. But unfortunately he also failed and because of that, that is why I decided now I want to bring football back to footballers and I want to bring in a new management style. I will rip off all those policies, I will rip off all those structures. In fact they are makeshift structures, they are non existent structures. And Nick Mwenda has been riding behind corporate companies who have been helping him with Chapa Dimba and other ones and these beds, all the beds and all these other ones. But for me, I will draw up a structure right from the grass roots up to the top link. And before I give my friend a chance to speak, let me say this. All the monies have been poured up there at the Kenya Premier League. And people have been forgetting that the talent comes from the grass roots. We should pour all that money down there at the grass roots so that by the time we have nurtured that talent and exposed it, out there at the Kenya Premier League will be very competitive such that everybody from all over Africa and outside will want to come and play in our Kenya Premier League. And our national teams will be very strong such that we will not be just being knocked out at the stages for qualifiers of the Africa Cup of Nations or the World Cups. Football back to footballers. What your agenda revolves around. We've seen the likes of Dan Shikanda rising to the helm of football management. It's the chairman of FC Leipards played for both clubs, GOR and FC and national team as well. How has your candidacy been embraced by footballers? Have they taken it positive? Are they ready to support your bid? Ready to support my bid. They are very excited. They are very happy. But they have reminded me that I should keep in mind that football there is also a political angle and that politics is very dirty. And I should work very, very hard with those people that have interest of football at heart. And I should know that there are very many people who are now in charge of football in the branches and many of them delegates who do not have interest of football at heart. And they are just thinking about their stomach. Sorry to say. So I should use different ways and means to try and tackle that problem. And I have addressed that problem. And in my manifesto you will see that I have come up with something very, very new, something that has never been presented before by any of the chairman or FKF presidents. Osano, now over to you. So widely just for the sake and your love and passion for football you are in Egypt just to support the national team around the stars participating in African cup of nations. What do you have in store in case you get elected the president of FKF? First of all let me just say that when it comes to football management and playing the game those are two different things. As Muitya said, we've seen a form of football as we've done well in the game. We've also seen as we've felt most of them have ended up with getting paper bands. But we've also seen people who would call outsiders coming in and just because of the passion they have and the experience they have in management. They've done well. So just next neighbor here we have got engineer Moses Mabogus an electrical engineer and he's done a lot to really improve and put regarding football where it is. Back to what I'm taking of doing or a plan to do for the Kenyan game. I think let's be factual. One big problem we have in our football is lack of funding. We have always talked about lack of money here when the number of stars is going out, women's team always begging the government to come and help us. So to me I think if we want to implement the programs that are going to build our football right from the grassroots then we have to look critically at the issue of funding. And how do I intend to do this? One way to really attract support and funding in the game is to ensure that there's sound management. Governance issue must really tackle it because as you've heard there are guys who are coming to football not because of the interest they have in it but just for self seeking purposes. But if you have sound management in place and that means that you're going to hire professionals to come and do the job for you. Issues of branding, of marketing. Just commercialization of the properties that you have because for example the Arambia stars is a very big property. I remember back then when the likes of Michio were still playing, Arambia stars was such a big brand and everybody just wanted to coalesce around it. And we had a match the whole day I think from morning to evening for just talking about the Arambia stars. So that's where we really need to go back to and to achieve that. You need sound management. Half professional is coming on board to help you see how to brand and sell yourself to partners out there. So that's one critical area that I'm thinking of. Funding is a major issue. Second one is partnerships. You need to really partner with all the recuperates out there. You need to bring them on board. But I also must state very clearly that in Africa we have a very unique continent. And in Africa government support in sport is critical because you need them to build infrastructure and all that legislation you need if you need to have sound management. So you need to have the former players you have to bring them on board because you need all that goodwill for you to do whatever you want to do. So I think that's something that my leadership if it comes to past then I'll seem to hit that I bring everybody on board all the partners that you need to put our football to where it should be. Muti of course you've also indicated to us that football management and politics go hand in hand. How do you seek defying all odds to get elected the president because we understand financial muscles is a determining factor as far as who gets elected the president of the federation. We've had Sam Nyamuea and now Nick Muendo is also seeking re-election. So far four candidates have declared the interest of you included and the ex-president Nyamuea and the current Nick Muendoa. What do you want to do? What is your strategy to ensure that you clinch the seat? Let me go back to where my brother has said something. He said that funding is a problem. Let me say this. Funding is not a problem. Funding only becomes a problem where the management is lacking. Where poor management there will be no funding. Where the management of football, the sponsors or the co-prates or the partners see that there is no transparency and accountability. They think that there is corruption. Then they will surely shy off. Let me give you a small example when I was playing during my time at Harambe Stars. We had what is known as Harambe Stars Management Board. At that time Mr. Peter Kennett was the chairman. We never lacked funds, we never lacked allowances, we never lacked to travel, we never lacked anything. Infact when Mr. Peter Kennett the chairman left FKF for other duties he left a lot of money in the accounts of FKF, maybe 10, 11 million. And when he had inherited FKF in the first place he had inherited a lot of debts. So what I'm saying is this, where there is transparency and accountability the sponsors will come running to FKF because football is the most followed sport in the whole world. Football gives a ready platform. Football has a very very large following which is very very attractive to co-prate companies and to other sponsors and that is to answer the first question. The second question you asked me, I need financial muscles to clinch that seat. If you look properly, I need a running mat. I don't have a running mat. That space there I've left it for people like Osano, for people like you Waseke if you want to run, for people like Mariga, for people like Karol Radul and anyone who has football at heart I can give that space so that we can work together to change the face of football in this country. And I also have another plan B where I have other friends and well-wishers who are well and able who have a few millions in the accounts and we will go slowly by slowly and we will tell Nikwendoa and Nyamuea please step aside. We want to make a complete overhaul of this football Kenya federation and those election laws which Nikwendoa put we will scrap them off completely and all those structures that existed we will put new structures from grassroots all the way to the top. We will pour a lot of money on the grassroots. The money that comes from FIFA should not be used for recurrent expenditure to pay salaries and for running clubs and the other things. That money is supposed to be for development. I will get my money to run the leagues from corporate sponsorship and other partnership. Thank you very much. Osanova, do you want to indicating that he will pick us his running mat? Are you in agreement with that? Are you ready to be his running mat? Just like he mentioned your name amongst other names that you can be his running mat is deputy for FKF presidency. For me it's not just about the position or the politics. I'm offering something that I believe can change the way we've been doing things in our footwork. Just to go back a little bit on the issue of funding. I want to be very clear and I've said that governance and accountability stop on my agenda. And that's why I've talked about the issue when you talk about commercialization and you talk about branding. I've said that I will seem to it that we bring professionals on board to do some of these jobs. You may be the chairman of the president's federation, but you don't have all the qualifications you need to run all the departments of all the federation. Just an example, FIFA wants to actually they've already expanded the club World Cup and from 2021 it should be going to China. And if you listen to Guiani continue just the other day once one billion shillings so that we actualize this dream. And they have appointed a reputable firm from the US to go and do the job for them. So to me it may be assumed like before that football is the go-to platform for all the corporates who want to really put their names out there. But it's not like that football has to compete with so many other things like at least individuals who've already branded themselves and have been corporate support. So we also must do a lot to really be at a level whereby you can compete with other sectors for funding. We have right there doing very well athletics. So if you just sit back and assume that so long as there's a change of leadership at the helm then corporates just run and come on board. I think that would be a dangerous assumption. And that's why even up to now since we have pulled out of our market up to today KPL has not been able to attract. But there was an assumption that companies would be just falling over themselves to come and pick up the league and to pass it. It has shown us that we need to do more in terms of marketing and branding and positioning how our people participate in the women's team so that they can get the support they need from the corporate world. You've been a serious critic of you know Sam Nyamuea, the former president and on your Facebook page actually on your social media pages across you indicated that part of the reason as to why you decided you will contest is you know the return of Nyamuea whom you believe reyund Kenyan football and thereup is not supposed to be closely associated with Kenyan soka. How do you rate the current regime? Nick, to rate performance of Nick you really need to put a lot of things into context because when he was coming on board he was at that time I think it was the lowest moment in the history of Kenyan football because it treated the point that actually at that particular point we almost missed the trip to Kebba for a return match against Kebba in the 2018 World Cup fire we almost missed a return match there because of terrible logistics around the Rambissas and everything and even when the team left here everybody was just praying for them because the flight they took it was I don't know it was like an attack so everybody was just praying so I think to rate Nick's tenure you really have to try it somehow to whatever Nyamuea left behind because I think the federation back then was simply in the pockets of Nyamuea we didn't have an institution called a federation so I think Nick spent like the last four years trying just to do the basic thing so it's really hard to predict when you do what you should be expected to be doing people really don't see that maybe you're doing a lot because when you talk about improving on the logistics of the national team I think that's something that nobody should question like who cares how for example England will go to travel to another country to play football say German because I think that should be automatic but because we are coming from an era whereby such basic things were done in a very shambolic way we are here and we need for somebody like me who wants to come in there and I'm now talking about can I build on whatever they've tried to put in place and I think that's what I want to do I want to build on whatever those guys are trying to put in place because there are a lot of things that needs to be done Saif Mutie, are you still with us gentlemen? Right now I want to be elected the FKF president my brother Osano also wants to be elected we already know that Amrush is supposed to be paid we already know there are many other debts that FKF is owed now for example if I'm given that seat or Osano is given that seat will we now start complaining and say we have been inherited so much mess no, it's up to us, we already know what we are going into I know Amrush must be paid I know Arambestaz, many boluses and allowance are not paid it is my duty as the president at that time when I will sit on that chair to find out or to know where I will get that money or to pay the bonuses and to clear up any other mess that is there I gave a perfect example of Mr. Peter Genden, Moshi Miwa he inherited so much negatives but he did not sit and say I have inherited so many problems, so much problems he sorted out everything and he left FKF at a place whereby no one else who has ever run FKF or that time it was KFF that had ever performed so so I'm telling my brother Osano and all the other people who want to be given that seat of FKF we know what we are going into when we get that seat please, let us not complain that oh, that Amrush money Niki Muna should pay that other boluses Niki Muna should pay no, it will be up to us to take care of that and when it comes to government, yes government supports the Ministry of Sports supports but the problem that I have with FKF is when the government is giving out money they say it's okay, it's not government interference but when the government now asks for the accounts to be audited they ask for transparency where did this shilling go, where did this coin go then they are being told it's government interference and somebody runs very quickly to FIFA that is double standards under my watch I will work very well with the government and I will work very well with FIFA and all the stakeholders, thank you very much let's take a short break