 Hello everyone and welcome back to For The Minions episode 32 the weekly show where we talk about some what can hopefully be the spiritual successors to Paragon I'm your host the one and only man goose joining me as always is my sister from another Mr. Mandy now Mandy how you doing? I'm doing much better I was kind of suffering there for a while I had a headache for like two days in a row but I'm doing so much better now and I'm super excited because we have a really cool guest host with us Mr. Creed and you are a game tester for CORE is that correct? Yeah I'm a part of the quality control team so I game test I help troubleshoot the community all that stuff you guys have problems like when we did our map test launch I was run around trying to help everybody get that up and going so I don't know that much stuff. Well we're definitely excited to have you on the show why don't you tell us how you got started with Paragon your favorite hero all that good stuff? Well I started playing on like PS4 way back in the day like I don't it wasn't too far but I never really played Legacy but then summer hit I got like I started playing that religiously I think I put like over 70 days in the game and then I think I ended up like top 200 like 2000 plus Evo just played way too much for my own good favorite character was probably Morgesh unreleased like she was just so fun to play and then other than that probably Revs that's also a PS4 player at the time so it's like easier to use and I this is my favorite because I got my first pinch of kill with him and I was like super hyped up about this only it's the only clip I have saved for Paragon so I watched that sometimes for probably a little bit send it over to me I'll feature it on the show love a good love a good pinch of kill I hated Morgesh though she was she was terrible so you you ended up in the top 200 that was uh that's that's that's quite an accomplishment I mean there wasn't a whole lot of people playing at the time but still there was a couple you know there was a lot I mean that is an accomplishment that's pretty cool right it was a grind it was a lot of frustration I think I broke my hand once because I was so mad at the game it just smashed my desk it was even on my smurf account too it wasn't even on my main so I was like wow took me out for like two weeks I was I was more excited about that wow I mean if we weren't passionate about the game we wouldn't be still talking about it right now you know exactly yeah so let's uh let's move right along let's get to news and updates starting with madeabuff and core and uh creed I really didn't have anything from oppa so it's it's on you man they're they're throwing you out there you need to bring us to bring us some good news brother right uh I mean the only good news is that we're just still working we're just trying to push away at the thing but everyone's kind of like down and discouraged but we have to remember that uh we have three times of heroes that we have to work on and stuff so it's obviously gonna take a lot longer than other like games that are working on the project yeah yeah that's like oh yeah that's all just we're just keep walking away until we can come out with something big for you guys so you get the you get to get in there and the client and mess around and everything and play around I'm not at the moment now but that should be coming out hopefully pretty soon okay but but during the the map test in the your room yes I was making sure that was all working so nobody was falling through the map or anything like that like Mandy and I and I were the first two people to fall through the map and the grayscale map testing I was very proud of that yeah it was it was cool to claim the fame man so how hard is it once somebody identifies like a bug in the uh in the gap game or like a gap in in the terrain or anything like that how how hard is that to identify and fix um it's just a lot of like trial and error and uh our level design team is super talented so like I don't know if you guys notice this but like the turnaround time was super good like yes it was having problems and like next day next few hours it's like fixed it was really awesome working with the team like they're super talented yeah what even when um uh when I did the the full scale map testing um you know then they released it about a week later for everybody to test but you know they let me kind of take a spin on four of the minions before anybody else like the time like that little spin that I did between then and when they released it to everyone there was several changes to the map like already and then within a day of people map testing there was you know changes to the orb prime pit and everything too so yeah the flash to bang with with metabuff seems to be on point so that's uh that's good to see yeah it's uh it's just crazy to me too I was just like wow it's like good it's like I was crazy it's just like how do you do that so fast yeah right um can I ask how did you get started um like how were you able to become a game tester did you reach out to them did they reach out to you how did how did that go about happening um I just love breaking games like I've been breaking games since like Call of Duty like I broke like I don't know I was like kind of like that kid that I like to be on the leaderboards right so I'd always play like zombies or something I'm buying glitches and I'm just like let's do that I break the game and try and climb to the top so then kind of take like the same principles of breaking Call of Duty that kind of put it at a core to break it the same way anything like I just look for anything that I can use to my advantage to help you win and I'm like I shouldn't be there so um well there you go Mandy you're good at breaking games yeah unintentionally I don't quite mean to but it happens yeah it happens a lot that's pretty cool I'm sure I'll share a lot of people out there are envious of your position for sure let's uh let's move right along on to Mata Studios and Predecessor uh they've been they conducted another internal test like uh they already did their test for the heroes to see what kind of bugs were still existing with the heroes and uh they did another test for the Minion AI and the Tower AI and uh Smokey said that went well so the next step is for them to rebuild the item system and then test that out too I'm glad to hear that the Minion AI is better because the minions were pretty damned wonky during that that initial alpha release I didn't notice any real problems with the towers but yeah the minions definitely needed some love and the item system too didn't quite work right the words didn't work and you couldn't activate health or mana potions so seems like things are going really well for them and then not only that but the new map design French has been releasing some stuff on his stream um I know Brick did a video on it as well and it looks like they they have some new assets that they're using in place of the core in the towers I mean I think it's just the towers that have been dressed they've just been dressed up a little bit but it does look nice and it looks more legacy feeling than when they had the the sort of monolith towers on the legacy style map so uh I think you guys the link to that you guys check that out I did I seen that on Brick's channel as well too yeah I thought uh I thought it looked really really awesome I was just super impressed um and I'm mistaken or did I hear someone say that fringe actually made the new the new assets that they're using um he actually created those from scratch I believe I swear I heard that somewhere but I could be wrong if you if you didn't hear that maybe I made it up I'm not I'm not entirely certain I'm I know he has the capability to do so and um so it very well could be I'm sure I'm sure he will let us know in the comments he will confirm or deny if that is the piece or not he will get back to you guys with that so yeah hopefully they got their uh that alpha back soon we can get back in there and do get out some more but uh let's move on now from uh from a made of studios and get into undying with ethereal uh cool stuff from them we finally get to see uh the full reveal of marina who is the 14th hero that is scheduled for their alpha their alpha's only going to have the 14 heroes she's kind of the final one we showed her a little bit on the channel before on on ftm but uh we didn't we couldn't see her face and um now we can and it's and it's awesome she looks really good uh just like but can everything else they do she looks amazing uh creed what do you think about ethereal what do you think about marina uh i think it's a cool idea i thought marina she looked uh she looked awesome i was super like too loud i was like that's there was a lot of detail harry looked good uh looked just great i was super impressed i love all their artwork did they do all that looks amazing what about you mandy yeah they are just phenomenal they are really their their art department is just knocking it out of the park and it was really good to see um something you know a little bit more substantial from them as far as just like yeah we're working we're working and then we can see you can see a product of what they've been working on so that's really really exciting uh she seemed a little more subdued in the as far as color goes than what we originally saw uh with her um concept art um i was expecting her to be a little bit more colorful and i know that they had wanted her to have hair that was made of water i don't know if that's going to be a particle effect in game or if that's just something that's going to be you know outside their their comfort zone or something that would really seems like that would really mess up a render if you've got a ongoing particle effect like that it's going to be rough on a computer so they may have just removed that i'll have to get with them and check it out um but yeah i'm really excited about it uh she's going to be a support and um she's uh she's aquatic based as evidenced by you know the kind of gills fins on the side of her head and the the trident that she uses so pretty cool stuff which looks good and we got nothing for phoenix rising this week um kind of looking out there though there is the um um got got word of a uh auto chest version of paragon somebody's working on a paragon auto chest um creed you you took a look at that uh what did you think what did you think of the progress on that uh i thought it looked pretty cool uh i've been playing a lot of team five tactics on league i've been grinding that like every day recently it's kind of feeling my void so something like that like did drop i mean i don't know how would play or how i don't think there's a 3d4 like as an alternate game mode versus like 3d3 or something i think that'd be something cool to a game it's nice seeing people using those assets for more than just a MOBA um we got uh made the troll phases in my discord a lot i keep Mina to talk to him about this and i just never have the time but he's he's designing like a um like a single player adventure style game using the paragon assets like i know from the last i saw you know sarah running through like a castle and stuff that looked really cool kind of a dark souls-ish type thing but i need to get i need to really need to get with him find out more about that and see see how far along he is on that game but um the team fight tactics in the auto chest i haven't played much of it i've watched windu play quite a bit but i haven't played it myself i need to get in on that if somebody makes a paragon team fight tactics or auto chest i will be on that like stinking shit i couldn't think of anything less less vulgar that's just how my mind works but yeah i'll be all over that shit but um i'll try and find out a little bit more about that and uh link that in the uh video description below so you guys can check that out for yourself so i think that wraps that up let's move on to the poll results for most impactful ultimate and uh i've been doing two polls a week this time we had the uh the big one i thought i thought was the big one was uh muriel nabash phase rampage and revenant muriel won with 43 percent of the votes nabash had 18 phase 15 rampage 12 and revenant 12 so uh yeah i definitely agree with that i definitely agree that reversal of fortune for muriel was probably probably the most impactful ultimate out of all those i think their arguments could be made for rampage um definitely arguments can be made for nabash because his ultimate you know the big aoe slow and and knock up um phase kind of a little bit um and then revenant could completely remove somebody from the enemy team for a while so i thought revenants was quite impactful as well but i do agree that muriel was probably the most impactful out of those options what do you guys think um i actually kind of thought nabash was a little bit more just because it seemed like that was such a cool thing in uh in teamfights however muriel was a badass there's no no denying that um you know she i have seen the error of my ways in the beginning i was not much of a i i just never had good experiences with a muriel on my team but that's not the hero's fault it's the player's fault you know you don't have a good player then you know but um yeah i thought nabash was such a badass so i i uh i'm not surprised he's second i'm just surprised at the um the gap between yeah yeah what do you think who do you like i thought muriel was like a clearer winner here i mean nabash was pretty i could uh i looked at everything from like higher like super high gameplay and everybody it can be used like there's an advantage to everybody in every situation true but except for maybe phase you know hyper flux could be pretty pretty good used in the right situation yeah i didn't want to use it if you knew how to use it if you're if you're if you're caring if you're caring you how to aim i mean with the attack speed you really don't have to aim you just kind of pray yeah just spray and pray especially with multi-shot gym yeah oh my god oh man but muriel for sure because um that all to then the cleanse that goes along with it it was definitely most impactful oh i'd forgotten about the cleanse yeah but then uh i'll go ahead yeah i liked revenant as well too because like he could single somebody out like one of their aoe damages like say take out giddy and out of the fight for your team if he's like they're only aoe and especially at the end of the game since it stunned everybody that was a big like change for a team by two so uh moved on to the the next poll it was ricketer sarith severog shinby and sparrow severog won with 36 percent of the votes ricketer had 28 percent which kind of surprised me sarith had 11 shinby had 10 sparrow had 14 so i was a little surprised at the results of this one um ricketer i think could his his ultimate could be impactful and as much as i loved ricketer i really don't think he was the winner here if i had to vote i don't get a vote in these um i guess it would either be severog or sparrow i think sparrow's inner fire could be very effective in a team fight but it kind of had to be comboed with somebody else like it needed to have a decker cage or a crash bang boom or you know a phase flux or something like that to really make inner fire rock as hard as it possibly could so what'd you guys think of this poll um i know creed i know you said you your your vote went to severog yeah it did yes um i think a lot of people voted for severog because it's like it's like the face you see before you die like everyone's like like damn that severog is the reason i died he's just uh he's just such a good initiator he just goes in like smacks three people towards your team you're just like that severog killed me you're gotten killed a lot of us i'm pretty sure yeah that's right yeah it's right he could just cut the team in half just like that exactly good stuff i i can't deny here uh that severog is a clear winner even though i voted for sparrow because she's my girl i knew it i knew you would i knew you would i don't know i think that's a pretty good choice sparrow but that that's gonna wrap it up for the poll results for this week pretty soon we'll get into the uh to pit in all these winners against each other and find out who's cuisine reign supreme at the end for now we're going to take a look at the highlight reel and uh we've got some pretty funny ones this time it's uh kind of kind of murdoch heavy and then i threw a bonus sock app clip in there of him killing muni i miss muni out of all the out of all the guys you always saw the community corner i enjoyed muni the most but uh yeah let's go ahead and take a look at the highlight reel got a clip here from big daddy murdoch and he is of course playing big daddy murdoch got a team fight here in the mid lane on the legacy map still throwing down that shield wall murdoch's going to try and maneuver around it using it to the best of his abilities to block those shots and he scoots down into the jungle here i didn't know what the hell he was doing when i first watched this clip i was like why is he dropping down in the jungle in the middle of a team fight well you're going to see here in a second still lays down the big ultimate followed by the long dong of the law softens him up quite a bit gideon the friendly gideon tried to finish it off but it didn't quite work out but here comes murdoch enemy team gideon gets wasted standing in place trying to do his ultimate now decker is taking shots she realizes she's getting attacked from behind this was the plant all along he comes in from behind cleans up for a triple kill but now he's got gadget and kalari and kalari's got that red buff gadget hits him with the mine and the shower of pain he knocks her back with the shield skeet shoots kalari straight out of the air now it's a shoot out with gadget that he may lose but of course he's not going to lose this is a highlight reel he lines up the shots takes out gadget goes very very low on health he wants that red buff he's going to try and sneak around and get this red buff as it's laying on the ground takes a couple hits from minions that almost kill him so uh great stuff from big daddy murdoch michael the god here playing a master skin grim on the monolith map rotating towards the middle lane you'll see y'all for the distance that there is a low health chimera fleeing for his life behind the tower he copies that displacement blast gets him low enough to take him down with the get the fuck out another legacy murdoch clip with that uh the halloween cooking head skin this is coming to us from prototype who hosted the show with us recently the whole rampage is in trouble but here it comes murdoch taken out richer with ease finishes off the other murdoch before murdoch can take out his rampage rampage very low on health sticking around get away this clip is funny these guys are so freaking funny rampage going to toss that rock he does miss it he's going to pay for with his life here maybe murdoch laying down the shots gets into tower range takes some hits from the tower rampage gets away with a sliver of health as well as murdoch he got out of that tower just in time that's gotta be annoying we got another rampage rock let's see some rampage on rampage action if that rock hits it does not goes just above his head now the enemy team rampage is going to kind of fuck with him here a little bit jumping around comes in after the murdoch murdoch's got the red and black buff he just keeps jumping around but the laser stops him oh but that get the fuck out targeted him very nice body block from the rampage that definitely would have killed murdoch he's going to hide the shadow well thinks that grim doesn't know where he is grim knows exactly where he is chucks out a displacement blast trying to take him out turns to take out rampage if you want to focus on one of the other he might have had a chance but he had no chance there is a prototype takes out the grim funny clip funny clip i told you dude you didn't know where i was special treat for you moony fans out here this is my boy sockap he said me quite a few clips his team just got uh thrashed by the enemy team but that's moony playing the gideon almost got him with that rock sockap's going to come in after him he knows he's in trouble he tries to get away sock pulls him out of the tower silences him and takes him out that's uh that's a special moony death clip for you all right guys i hope you enjoyed the highlight reel uh before we get into the topic for discussion we are once again going to play the name game with dara that's mayby's sister she didn't play paragon and she has no idea about any of the heroes except for what she's seen on four of the minions so uh what we do is we get three heroes and i put three names and three ability names and see if she can match up the names and abilities with a hero portrait and it's always a lot of fun actually put ended up making a mistake and putting two correct answers for more gash this time but uh anyway let's check it out because it is quite hilarious all right guys we're going to start up the name game once again with dara we got three heroes we got three names we got three abilities we actually we got four names of four abilities because i made up two let's see if we can fool dara and if you don't know dara never played paragon and knows nothing about the heroes which is why this is so much fun so dara let's take it away and see see how well you do your you went 50% on the last two let's see how well you do this time okay welcome to the third installment of a literacy time with dara but i think i got this one okay i know i know this is the fey uh because they talk about her a lot um i i feel like i don't know that fascia or sachet i feel like the face has a power to sachet away okay she does in that pose she does look like she she's uh sacheting a bit yes um but i'm gonna say she's got wings oh wait fly trap come on come oh gang gang i bet it fly trap nope that seems like i think you're trying to trick me um i'll say she swarms and and oh you know why i'm explaining sorry um let's see i think the lady with the big horn ram head up here i think that is i keep hearing about this kalari person a lot but i don't think that's kalari i think more morgish is ram head's name ram head another spirit shadow walker i feel like this guy is oh my god mark i just saw watch it be a real thing um but see some of these things look i don't know maybe shadow walker maybe he slithers away i don't know this one's so hard it's so hard for me not to giggle i don't want to give anything away yeah one more you just gotta get that ability because there's somebody in the comments who always says kalari so kalari's a person but morgish can't be up i also didn't think that that or knock knock i didn't know knock knock was a real thing i don't know maybe mark's a real thing maybe she marks you with her little sword i'm confused you got me on this one i'm done oh my god is that your final answer yeah there you went 50 again that mark is correct morgish is correct and morgish has an ability called mark where she marks her target oh my god you also got the fey correct and you are right you were saying uh earlier that one of these look like one of my favorites the fey was my second favorite right behind rick her but uh she does not swarm swarm is not real she has a fly trap so you should have went with your gut on that one you almost had it and this guy is actually a girl can't really tell but that is kalari that you hear so much about yep and she does not slither she does however shadow walk so there you go you 50 again you you keep hitting it you keep surprising me what really got me there was the mark for morgish i can't believe you got that that was so good that's the whole reason i picked these three because i was like mark that sounds like a name that's going to confuse her and it was real so well done once again dara we haven't been able to stump you i i consider somebody that has never played paragon i i consider 50 to be success that's an a in my book and i you've aced the last three um we'll have to see if we can get you next time oh actually i guess i had more than i thought as far as the fake ones great job dara and thanks once again for coming out and doing this everybody enjoys watching you struggle through these names you know what i just thought of swarm actually is correct all right guys i hope you had fun watching dara play the name game i know it's certainly a lot of fun for us and it has become a fan favorite one for the minions um tech time by the way is not going away i just haven't had i've been busy as a bed bug in a whorehouse i haven't been able to do hardly anything so let's move on to the topic for discussion for this week is uh since we got creed here um what alpha testers need to look for when bug testing so you're the expert on breaking games how do we need to go in there and try and break some shit whenever we play the alpha there creed um so how i would approach it if it's another map test you guys have great on last one um to run around see if anything's broken like ledges and stuff so you can uh get stuck on that but once we release a uh full game kind of just uh play it as normal maybe go off if you want but like play it as normal make sure everything plays smoothly and uh if anything breaks on the way just kind of record it like a normal bug i would say uh most people most bugs you find actually just come from just playing the game so the alpha release is it's probably going to be bugs with like scaling issues with cards and stuff like that you're like one shot of people with murdoch alt or some something like that just insane scaling so it's a lot of looking for little i mean i guess that wouldn't be a little i'd be pretty free game breaking but just kind of play the game like normal and then as you find bugs that like hinder and take away from the normal gameplay or how it should feel just set that in be like this wall caught me and got me killed by their whole team you know who the team lost the game like that stuff would make me upset so i don't want that in the game so if that was your gaming experience just make sure set that in be like this would be fixed or i'm gonna die a lot of pain to me so i'm gonna break my hand a lot more yes so is there anything in particular we should be like uh including in the reports whenever we are whenever people do like test for the bugs and the alpha and all that um just uh kind of have like severe bugs you want kind of on report those like right away and severe bug will be like game crashes stuff along the lines like falling through the math all that stuff would be a severe game breaking bug um smaller bugs would just be like collisions like i said that's like that's more moderate bug than just like tiny bugs is like animation issues like abilities not playing out the way they should be it's a smaller bug then that's kind of how we prioritize things so we always take like if somebody's game crashes and that obviously takes away from the fun so that's a bigger priority for us to do yeah like if muriel isn't extending her arm all the way out that's probably not on the list of things that you must but if she holds off the map then yeah that's interesting um good good information that you gave us because that kind of made me think me and goose kind of made the dream team of game testing then because in the uh in the alpha for a predecessor you just ran off like a madman and did what the fuck ever you wanted to do and i was like no i'm gonna play my role i'm gonna play the game the way it's supposed to be played and see what bugs i find so we were like the dream team go us i was i was really hoping i got to play that because i just i was missing it for so long but sad that i think the key just i just thought i was like that looks like a lot of fun everyone's enjoying it i mean the delay is just like everyone's just like lagging all it was to me i was just like it could be worked wrong to just tell them at least not fix it exactly yeah yeah gadget was very powerful because of she was so ability driven and there was some scaling issues with her too like her ultimate was ridiculous but i can't aim for it very well with this leg so let me just throw this all down yeah exactly i think i did exactly that too and probably miss the ultimate two seconds later it throws down behind you just like oh okay it wasn't that bad it's going to be interesting to see what kind of bugs ethereal has with their map because like you're supposed to fall through in some spots but like i can imagine you could probably fall through and end up completely off the map and oh that's going to be a nightmare for them i think into the abyss somewhere yeah i mean they've got a great team over there so hopefully they can they they they got a handle on it i would think yeah i'm excited for them like i want to just see how that plays like everything like stacked on top of each other like it's gonna be a different gameplay it's gonna be really cool yeah that's definitely something exciting to look forward to did you find any bugs in paragon itself um nothing like too bad i get stuck some places like aurora falari so obviously i would use those to be like oh we can't can't touch me here rampage just like jump up on the legend back and be like my bad dude yeah sit there and swing at the wall until you almost hit me oh that would make me so mad that would make me so mad it's definitely got it was just a lot of fun i always used uh when they had that old board bracket i always like i mastered like being able to jump through and like back i don't know they kind of had that wall and like it went down i'd always be able to like jump from up here like onto that wall yeah i don't know how i mastered it i was just like that's like an impossible jump like i just took everybody out that way just born to be a game breaker one of the bugs that used to piss me off and it took them forever to fix it i don't know if they ever completely fixed it was the steps in it was mid lane and in safe lane both every once in a while especially if you were on fey like somebody who floated a little bit you would just pop way up in the air hey what's up dude in the background you would just pop like way up in the air like it would just get crushed like oh that pissed me off so much i mean that was a known bug everybody knew about the fucking steps bug but then epic never like fixed it it said be flying up like bellica all and used to be like oh great i'm stunned by my own tower that was always funny too i saw quite a few of that where bellica would hit somebody with seismic assault and they would just go pop and like 200 feet up in the air i thought her stun was so fun like i don't think that was kind of a little broken like she'd stun the sun won't start till you landed so if you flew like way up in the air it's like a six second stun you just like you guys have to see if i'd stun go grab lunch i'll be right back yeah this game afterwards all right i think that's it for the top of the discussion unless you guys had anything else you wanted to say i'm good you did i'm all good i said everything all right let's uh let's move on to plugs uh creed you got like a you got a twitch youtube channel anything like that you want to plug um i'll plug my twitch i stream on us and team by tactics i'm gonna begin when i'm three so right on it's a ak creed and i believe it's just double up on your score afterwards all right yeah just send that to me and i'll link it in the uh video description below so you guys can check that out if you want to uh mandy i got nothing i don't do anything check out mandy's discord she's got quite the thriving popular discord you can uh you see me making up rhymes about her mom in there it's a good time it is a good time i gotta be extra nice to you because i've been burning you left and right in your own discord that's like messed up so messed up i have no comments and i got nothing to plug so uh that's going to be it that's going to wrap it up for for the minions episode number 32 thanks for joining us i hope you guys had fun i hope you guys uh the name game i thought was especially funny this time with that whole mark thing but anyway that's gonna be all for this week uh you guys have a good one that is before the minions team signing off goodbye man go