 I went to a deal full sitting, you know what I mean, and one of the other boys went there as well, was in there for three years, and I met Ronni A-Silvan in there, he came, and he came and everybody was all talking to him, and we were just sitting and we were sitting and he came up the chapter door and he says, he heard you as the Scottish boys, and me and my pal went, that's right, and he went, my man's Scottish, and he went, I need more, and I went, but do you know where he is? And he went, can't I, and he stood up and I went, let me tell the truth, so he went like, he says, look, he says, after the five and six, dubber, he says, I'll come up and I'll put you on the phone to my ma, and he walked out the door and I went, and by the way, he said, I bet her accent you used to, and she's stayed in Hackney for 50 years, and I said, I, well, I'll look, so he did come up and he was on the phone to his wee man, he shouted me ear, he went, he has the right to talk to you, believe me, let's go, and he went, I went like, how are you doing, miss Sam? She went, how are you doing, Sam? I said, what's better, mate, as Ronnie's done that smiling ear, you know what I mean? So we became great pals, you know what I mean? Some stories, his old mom was in for my time. I, I, and Tring me, his boy used to come and, his boy was on the sixth unit at the time, he used to come up and when Ronnie'd just get the jail in 92, he'd won the UK Open at 16, and he'd come up to the jail, Ronnie used to take young Ronnie run over the, the clubs, when he was 10, he was beating people at 31, so he kind of a bring me to his career, you know what I mean? And he missed out on it, and, again, that's the life, that's the violence, the crime, and missing these things that he's doing. But Ronnie, Ronnie was stitched up, he was in a private members club, and these two black guys were cheeky, a woman, and he just went there and says, look, says, leave it out with him, says who the fuck you talking to, and bang, bang, and two of them were stabbed, one died, and Ronnie was only 37, he was a good businessman, he was a writer, she's stories, you know what I mean? He stayed in Hackney, then he, I used to say, you moved to, stayed in Essex, and I used to slide and say he stayed in the birds of a feather, and his boy, he done fantastic, you know what I mean?