 Hi everybody, welcome back. This is Lisa Larson and podcast Pete. Hello Pete. Hello Lisa. How are you doing good? How are you? Pretty good. How was your Juneteenth? It was fine. It was fine and it was nice that you know more things are getting into the consciousness for constructive purposes Yeah, it really was and I'm glad that it's federal holiday now and I and I will and I Know that we already had had this one conversation, but for those of you who are seeing me now With my new specs, I know that you you didn't notice when you first saw me I like it now credit and to your credit you didn't try and gloss it over you just admit it No, I didn't I didn't get it. It's interesting. Yeah, you know, if I look at your face and miss the glasses You know, and I'm still looking at your face. I guess that doesn't say much for how much I notice, but they are nice Well, you noticed at the time that I was sitting on a couch. You noticed an orange shirt You noticed the camera background. I really tried through the questionnaire. I really did You you made an honest effort Okay, all right well Today we are going to be talking about something very serious. We're gonna move this down We like to have our our laughs, but this is not a laughing matter. We're gonna be talking about the hard decision of Choosing to euthanize your your babies and Some people Have a hard time with that. It's it's not just the Making the call we're going to be doing a series on these We'll be talking about making the call in the next series, but then the next episode But this episode is going to be talking about euthanasia what it is why it's important and And it is something that all Animal parents have to deal with I shouldn't say all most animal parents Have to deal with at some point. They have to deal with this decision of do I Call the vet and have them euthanized or or what so It's a very difficult decision to make it's something that I deal with regularly as an animal communicator and we thought it would be important to Devote a podcast to it. Well, it certainly is important to say the least I don't have a lot of experience with it. And so Lisa with your experiences in animal communication I'm sure there are benefits to euthanasia and and maybe we can start with why Euthanasia is better than just letting the animal go It's a natural path in some cases. Okay. Yeah, um, I Don't always like to think of terms in better than because there are some animals that will just go and they will just go peacefully but usually it's not when we're When we're we're agonizing over this the problem is that there are some people who They will let the animals suffer because they don't want to Kill they feel like they're killing the animal or they feel like animals should die naturally or Transition naturally and that's what we want to talk about today I want to address a couple of those things first of all for the people who say That they feel like they're killing their animal I've had animals tell me you're not killing me You didn't kill me you released me from my suffering. So the humane thing to do would be to euthanize it Unfortunately, there are a few people more than a few people out there that would hear that and say no I'm just not gonna do it and they will let that animal suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer and It really is in many cases a cruel thing to do So what do you say to those people? well, I tell them that euthanasia is the one Right that animals have that humans don't in most of the world you know, there's a few states in the country in the US that have it but Generally, it's not generally. It's something accepted for animals and not accepted for people and Yet it's that one right that they have that we don't and I have never Once spoken to an animal Who when I've asked would you rather be helped to the other side? Would you rather go naturally? Have they said no, I just want to I just want to stay until I suffer and I can't suffer anymore Interesting, you know the problem is that people think that if they go to sleep one night and When they wake up in the morning their animal has passed They they put it into their mind that it was a peaceful passing. Sure and it's not Necessarily that way. I had an experience with my mom and she Was not able to let go. I Her cat was so ready to let go. I drove all the way up there five hours And I kept trying to say we need to call the vet. I kept saying we need to call the vet We need to call the vet. She says no we have to wait till tomorrow and this was before I did this work this was before I I Would have done it differently now. I would have had pushed more now but as it was I slept on the floor with that cat and He passed in the middle of the night with my arms around him and I'll tell you it was not peaceful it was long and it was suffering and There was absolutely no reason that he should have had to go through that when we adopt an animal We make that agreement that at some point We are probably going to have to make this decision because we know that our lifespans are generally longer than theirs and We have to make that agreement That You know that we're going to make that decision for them Altruistically, that's the other thing that I tell them is that it is the most Altruistic thing that you can do for your animal because there's no No animal parent That really really loves their animal that wants them to suffer and what I find is the people who Refuse and will let them go on and on and on and on it's out of pure fear Not only is it fear, but it's the consideration that they are going to suffer by the mere act of Bringing this to pass versus not yes, they're putting their suffering Yes, they're putting their emotional suffering over their animals physical suffering. Absolutely and that's that's just not what we want to be as animal parents as Guardians as moms as dads. We don't want to do that to our animals Yeah, so that's when we talk about the benefits of Euthanasia, I always say it's better a day too early than a day too late because If you think about them ten years down the line If you do it a day too early Then what you will remember from that animal's life is you'll remember all of the good things all of the happy moments that you've had But if you do it a day too late The only thing you're going to remember is that you made that animal suffer for one more long long 24-hour day and you will remember them just being In not being able to eat not being able to lie down not being able to be comfortable And why would you want to remember them like that? Yeah? well No, no, you don't want to remember them that way you want to remember them as Pain-free as possible. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and the other thing that I also Suggest once they have Made that decision that yes they feel that they can choose euthanasia is In many places in this country and I'm sure in Canada and I don't know about the rest of the world, but I know in the in the US There are a lot of places now that do nothing but home euthanasia Now it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with going to the vet if you need to go to the vet if they're suffering and you can't get Somebody to come to your house Taking him to the vet as soon as possible when they need to go they they need to go but a lot of times and at your you're dealing with an animal who's been ill and going downhill and going downhill and When people call me many times they're saying, you know, when is when is it time? And while I don't make that decision I can tell them how the animal is feeling if they're ready to go because many times they're hanging on for the people and We're gonna talk about this in the next next episode, but you know, I always tell people to plan ahead and think about if they can Consider home euthanasia because when you think about if you were ill, how many humans say I don't want to die in a hospital bed I want to be in my own bed at home and that's why we have hospice and now Hospice care for animals is starting to be a new bigger thing And again, I don't have a lot of experience, but this makes so much more sense than going to a clinical environment Yes, yes, and it's interesting because one of the people that I met at it was some Event that I was doing it was a woman who's a vet and she started one of the very first home euthanasia Services in this area and when I was talking to her She said that's exactly why because I would see these people bring their animals in and they'd be lying on this Card cold table and not all vets do that You know now people vets have little rooms and quiet places and it just depends on the vet But it's not still not like being home, but she says I saw these animals being brought in to An a cold environment where there were lots of people and they were scared They didn't know what was going on and I thought wouldn't it would be better if they could just do this at home Well, certainly you help pet companions and pet parents, but do you actually Help and and if you do how do you help the actual animal pass or can you? Um, I can and we are actually going to devote a whole episode to that But in brief, yes, I can um, there are some people that will call me for transition to help with that transition and um What I'll do is I won't be there physically But I will start communicating and doing healing to the animal beforehand And I'll end before we get to Pete's ponderings. I'll end with this one story that I just love Uh, there was a dog that I worked with for years and years Her dad first time he ever had his own animal through conversations with me Was the first time he ever even thought about thinking of himself as her dad And she was just a kid when we when we first started and I I knew her her whole life And he was a monk Yet, uh, it's a local, um A local place here. I can't remember the name of it self-realization center. Yes, and um I remember when He called and told me that she had cancer And we were we were so worried. We didn't think that she was going to even last a couple of months But she went and she lasted I think it was 14 more months Wow year year and two months But about four months before she passed, you know, and we were doing continual Communication seeing how she was doing and helping her through this About four months before she passed We talked to her and I was trying to get him ready now He was this per this exact person we're talking about today He really really didn't know anything about euthanasia. He didn't know about he wasn't I'm not going to say he didn't know about it But it wasn't a decision he had ever had to make and he was having a really hard time dealing with that idea of it so About four months before she actually passed. We started having these conversations about The the process of euthanasia and I asked her when the time comes. Do you want to be helped and she said Yes, she wanted to be helped and not only did she want to be helped She Layed out exactly what she wanted. She said she wanted a full Memorial type of thing like he would do services because all of the monks were her family she felt Yes, and so she showed it to me all and So I explained it to him what she wanted. We went another four months He finally called and said it's time. Will you help her cross? And so I didn't like I said it wasn't there, but I was giving her reiki I was connecting with her and as I was seeing this happen. I could see all of the monks standing around I could see the Venue that they were doing it in and I kept saying I kept seeing um What I saw as pink roses and so afterwards I I typed out a A message from her and the whole experience and and and sent it to him And for instance this one little validation that I loved Was I when I told him I saw the pink rose and he says yes Well, we had red and white rose petals that we threw on her body Oh, and then I I saw them carrying her out like to me I saw it carrying her out like on one of those stretcher types of things But elevated elevated Elevated and and it wasn't exactly that they told me that she was on a very specific Meaningful rug and they rolled the all of the monks Worked as paul bearers. They rolled it up and they carried her out like that. So a procession They did a procession and it was exactly What she wanted wanted is exactly what she asked for and it was something that I felt like I Was a part of I saw so much of it And was part of that whole experience Even though I wasn't physically there and it was For me one of the most meaningful experiences Is because you know when I work with animals especially animals like that I work with them For their whole lives. This was this was a dog. I worked with her for her entire life. So I knew her her entire life And so it's very meaningful to me as well And and it was just the send-off that they gave her was just Beautiful, you know and everybody can do that In their own way Everybody can make their animals send off Peaceful and beautiful and that is the whole point of euthanasia Well, you're so fortunate to have had this experience because of your Developed skills in communicating. You know, you're so fortunate, you know what I ponder about today is Not anything trivial because this is not trivial. This is important Passing is as important if not more than entering and In comparison entering might feel like an accident compared to passing So my pondering is that to you Because you can and have communicated with animals on the other side Have they Given you indication of appreciation when it goes Good Absolutely Yes, interesting. How absolutely. Yeah, they they're so grateful But it's it's not so much that they're grateful to me. They're grateful to their parents that made that decision for them Yes, they're grateful to their parents that made that decision for them because I don't I don't help as many animals cross as I help prepare them for crossing But I'll give you this one more example I can't remember the dog's name, but the dog had dementia The woman's father Was on the other side and had dementia And before he crossed and When the dog I did help this dog pass When the dog passed I saw not only my mom's dog who I was very close to There helping this animal crossover because she was confused But I saw the the dog's moms human father on the other side Without stretched arms Saying guiding the way. Yes that animal welcoming Welcoming and that You know, and of course by the time she got over there She didn't have dementia anymore and she was just so grateful for all of the They all are for all of the love that that their parents give them and and for making that all Truistic decision. Yes, they thank me, but it's really that they thank their parents Well, that's beautiful. Yeah, it's wonderful. That's wonderful So I hope that this helps you understand. I hope it helps our viewers understand And gives them a little bit more insight into this topic Well, certainly we're raised with a stigma regarding euthanasia. Yeah So how do people reach you? Yeah, you can reach me on my website It's pause talk net. 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