 So welcome everyone. I'm Betsy Koh and I'm also in orange wiki tree orange is Aowyn Walker and we're we're so happy you're here tonight. This is the second of a monthly series for people who are new to wiki tree and I I still consider myself new to wiki tree and it's been almost two years that I've been at very active on the site and I do feel like there's there's a steep learning curve so we're here to to answer questions that that are coming up for you. What seemed to be a popular idea last month was that everybody thought it would be helpful to watch me create a profile in just sort of you know I'll screen share and we'll walk through the steps. So does that sound good to everybody? Yes. Yes. Great great and you know we'll leave time at the at the end for for questions that are related or unrelated. So I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen with you. Okay can everybody see my my screen? I should say Edward Edward Tudor Edward George Tudor. Okay great and Aowyn since I disabled that extension I'll have if I just reload. Yeah it should. There we go. Okay so this is my my great grand uncle and what we're gonna do tonight is we're going to add his wife. So I mean whenever you're gonna create a profile just to I hope just state the obvious I mean you have to be connecting to somebody who's already there. Maybe it's you and maybe you're you know adding a sibling or a parent something like that. So we're gonna add his spouse. The easiest way to do it is click on spouse. We're gonna we're gonna assume and hope that this person is not already on wiki tree. So her name is Emily her maiden name last name at birth and you will all hear the LNAB people use that little acronym a lot Emily Francis married name Tudor. We're gonna I backed up all these things that I'm entering in here with sources. So she was born in 1864 estimated she died 1935 I guess I would say estimated. And then you're in most cases you're going to see a list of what the system thinks are potential matches. Okay I can rule out same name but Australia different different county in England. So I feel confident that that there's no no it's act match. I'm gonna go ahead and I'm going to check the two that were the closest and just to show that I I examine those and that I am passing those over on purpose. So then she doesn't have a middle name that I am aware of her birth location. I love this name is fish guard Pembrokeshire death location La Morgan. I've got the right does everybody see the date range. She died in 1935 so I'm being careful to to click the right date range marriage 1888. I have a marriage record so that's certain actually I even know that it was December. So I'll do that married in Cardiff. I'm not sure exactly what they're doing. Do people people please feel welcome to ask questions as I'm going along. Should we stop and take some questions. This is a the form that comes up first when I went on a person's an existing profile and said I want to add this person's spouse and then this is the form that comes up. Does that make sense. I guess she's just I guess she's just explaining what is going on. Yeah yeah. And when I've always wondered about this I can't always see like the full line is there a way to see like the full of the of the because like this is wrong this is the wrong date range but yeah I as far as I know there's not yeah not sure why it's like but yeah I'm gonna go with that marriage and date when she passed away. No email address and so now here sources you have to enter one sort when you create a profile. So what I've done for tonight is I went ahead and and created a list of the sources. So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm going to enter the 1911 census as my my initial spouse. Okay all you do is you just copy it in there. Hi this is Denise can I just ask a question there about sources. Of course Denise. Okay so when you're adding sources if I don't have any source but I knew that person and I the source I can say he is my uncle he was known to me. Yeah yeah you can put first-hand knowledge. Okay yeah and but but it would be good to add on to that some sources if you can. Okay or you might know somebody in your family like a generation or so beyond me you know previous to me may have known that person and told me about that person so how do you reference that? So I would guess something similar like first-hand knowledge from say now if it was your your say your mother told you about this. Yes okay. And if your mother a nice way to do it I think is if your mother's on wiki tree has a profile you can first-hand knowledge from and then link her her wiki tree profile. So it shows the connection. Okay perfect thank you. Sure of course. Betsy I have a question about sources. Yes. Okay so I understand you know they don't want us to you know put sources down that require someone to have a paid subscription somewhere and I'm I'm really passionate about making sure my rabbit trails or whatever I leave behind is like that. If I find a document through a paid site like ancestry and like a census record and I see the citation on it am I breaking any rules if I mean I'm using that for my own research but am I breaking any rules if I want to say here's a census record and here's a citation you know ancestry ancestry did the the work and made it available family search doesn't have it available but but I found it and here's a citation for it. Yeah that's totally fine. Yeah we encourage to try to not use the pay sites if you can but if the only source citation that you have is from a paid site it's we definitely want to have that there. That's totally fine. Ancestry doesn't own the data they just point you to it so you should be putting down enough information to point yourself or have somebody else be able to go find the data at the census site. Right so basically like with ancestry it'll put ancestry but it also has NARA there and they are for the National Archives and you copy from NARA on and you have the census number of the the old labels when we used to have to use the reels the real number and all that and that's what you copy you leave off ancestry. Yeah and you can even see if we if we examine this citation which I you know is a census that I got off family search but if you look at a little more closely it does say find my past which is which is a paid site but then of course the original records are at the National Archives. Right and the same with death records you put the actual state that it came from not ancestry's name. So drumroll at that point now I'm ready to officially create okay so as you can see we've got I can't see the profile oh she's going to be Francis 9 6 7 5 is the new new profile. So up at the top you can see all the information that I entered in birth year and place that she's the wife of Charles Henry Tudor she's got some children that could be added they had children who could be added in you would become you would be the profile manager and the system does automatically generate just like this very very simplistic biography from from what you've entered above and then as I mentioned to you I really I feel strongly that I want to back up everything that I that I put in like the birth year in the birth place so I'm going to also now now I'm going to go to my citations we we use the census but of course as we all know women are are tricky in genealogy and so someone could come to me and say well how do you know that her maiden name was Francis and so I was able to define the marriage record so let's put that in so now when I go to edit I'll do an inline citation so I can add to the bio she married now I'm going to go ahead and hyperlink her husband's so the way you do that if in in case you don't already know is the profile single line Henry Tudor in December of 1888 and then I just come back and I do site your source now I'm going to just drop that in I'm actually going to get rid of that asterisk don't need that okay and now if I preview we'll see you see that I've hyperlinked her her spouse and now I've documented the record and in finding this record I will say brought up a really nice example of wiki trees collaborate the collaborative nature of the community because when I found the marriage record initially it said it was just an index and it said for Charles Henry Tudor that the possible spouse was Cecilia Watkins and everything else was correct but I thought oh no so I know somebody in the wiki tree community who's in Wales and I was pretty sure that she was on find my past so I messaged her and I said could you look up this record for me or give me any ideas on how I can verify this and she wrote back pretty much in about 15 minutes and she sent me this from free BMD which birth marriage death in the UK and so you can see there are my two people and so I felt much reassured that I had the right record there Cecilia Watkins was on the same page underneath but you know so so it's really really nice when you know you have this big community where you could just reach out and people will help you like that to feel more confident about things so and then you can see that the other source that we initially put in that's just hanging out at the bottom it's not an inline citation yet the other two things that I like to add are a birth record birth registration so and I'll do that it's an inline for for the birth statement it was born about in Fishguard and now I'll cite my source preview and so you can see that now this is number one in the marriage registration is just automatically become number two and then death record away there now I've created three three inline citations now the other thing we touch on in those sources there I noticed that the first few have numbers beside them and then that last one you put in just has a dot right that's because well let's look at it up here the first three are inline citations so I I appended them to a statement that I made in the biography whereas this last one is just hanging out underneath sources okay so so eventually yeah yeah is it better to have them all one way or the other it's inline citations are preferred but you know you sometimes I will just have some sources down below that I haven't had time to weave into a full biography okay thank you yeah probably go back and catch that up into the narrative later thank you yep any other questions let's see I see a question in the chat box yeah from Sally who says if you had found Emily in that list when you first started to add her how would you add her to the new profile well if I if I had found my match then I wouldn't have to have created a new pro I wouldn't have to create a new profile in the first place so sometimes that happens and then you can just say oh yes this is my person and then it's just a matter of linking the Emily that you found to the husband that was already and hopefully you don't have to go and delete the other husband okay so yeah sometimes that happens that usually not in my experience but occasionally and then that's really exciting because then you just connected two parts of the tree that should be connected that word previously let me just show one other thing so we touched on this last time research notes so if I want to create that heading it's just the two equal signs whatever and then the two equal signs and what I'm going to say is Emily's birthplace in the 1901 census is listed at Fishguard however her birth record lists what is that have her have her heard West and that's just something that I found a little bit disconcerting I think from the minimal research that I did that that Fishguard is the small little town it's about 15 miles north of Haverford West and that Haverford West was probably like the central location where the registrations births and deaths were done and so that's why there's that discrepancy but I want to make a note of that and then if you want to sign off on it so someone knows that it's you who's saying that you do four of those little pearly cute things and on the upper left side of your keyboard that's kind of like putting a signature on it I don't think it's strictly necessary on a profile where you're the profile manager but I always do that if I'm on somebody else's profile and I'm adding in a research note just sort of red flagging something or calling attention to something so that it's kind of well it's just your signature so having done that now we have to say what we've done we've added sources we improve the bio and we did research shouldn't I be able to manage oh there okay okay all right and now let's see so there you can see the sort of signature that you get in the research note what those little curly cues create so if anyone wants to look at this on their own computer without me scrolling up and down just go to Francis 9 6 7 5 so questions we can we can move on to completely different topics we can show how to add a photo we can show how to do fun things like italics and bold and indenting and bullet points in a profile if that would be of interest to people I have another question if you're if you can hear me I can Georgia go ahead okay there's two guys with the same name okay one has the profile in which tree one does not have it yet the wife that belongs to the second guy has been wrongly assigned to the first guy once I create the new profile for the new guy how do I move the wife over so that's a great question so let's let's we're not going to save anything but I'll show you okay so if we go edit within Emily and you see over here on the right shows she's married to Charles Henry we could edit that marriage and then what you can do is remove the marriage so that that's what I think is that makes sense Georgia yes thank you thank you but first you should make sure it actually is a different person yes yeah of course I'm absolutely sure it's a different person I've an half an inch thick file on the second guy not the same same name but not the same guy anyway how do I how do I get out can I just close this and I'll be well nothing will be saved yeah okay cool and then the ever helpful all the way at the bottom return to profile without saving what you need to open the door wall a little we have I can't see the chat do we try to be real quiet about it well she's pretending to be she's one you're going thank you and now is John looking at the chat yeah if you don't John this is how do you upload pictures okay I have an example of that so let's see okay we go to another tutor and so okay I've got God there's my photo all right so we go under images and it says would you like to upload a source image click to upload it and I have it all set to go here on my my desktop so what's the matter sorry there we go okay so now I've got my my JPEG now this is a photo that I found on an ancestry tree follow them up I'll just step over here and steal a kiss so what we can see you be careful I don't want to see sorry do these people know that they are not thanks everyone so I made sure that I email the or sent a message to the ancestry user and asked for permission I said you know I explained what wiki tree was I gave him the link of the profile and asked if he minded if I uploaded it to wiki tree it took a little while sometimes people are slow to respond but eventually happily he did so what I'm going to say is used with permission of ancestry user and then I'm just going to use his his ancestry user name David at words 203 and then I don't I don't have anything more elaborate than that it's Edward yeah Edward George Tudor seated with brother I don't have a specific location or date and then this is definitely a photo of the individual now upload and there we go and I think by default it becomes the profile picture yes if you don't want it to be the profile picture like like sometimes it's just my personal preference I don't I don't necessarily like to use a tombstone as as the profile picture but I might want that photo on the profile you can you can come down you can come down here and uncheck that and that will that will still keep it on the profile but it won't it won't be the the one of the upper left corner so you can upload more than one picture then right yeah absolutely also down at the bottom page and this is this is see his his brother is in there in the photo as well if I I don't have his brother's number his wiki tree number on here but if I did I could just type it in here and then the photo would also be attached to his brother yeah so we can wiki tree tries really hard not to have people uploading the same photo you know like five places you know it's much better to to just link it and if you wanted to remove the picture how would you do that if I wanted to remove it there's got to be a it's down the bottom it's done where you were it's right don't come back up you're right there where you add the person right above it see where it says people and things on the image I say it yeah so if you want the image removed from just this profile he'd remove right there but say you have like four or five profiles linked if you want the picture completely gone you have to remove it from each profile okay so if you just remove it from one it's going to stay on the other one still okay thank you what what type of I know you use jpeg but are there other women are there limitations on what kind of pictures yeah and you know I think just about anything I know JPEG PNG's work you can upload a PDF yeah I think most most file types there's a help page that's the it's photo FAQ and that helps answer a lot of the photo questions too well does does anyone have want to be our our guinea pig and give us a profile ID that they're working on and maybe having trouble making cooperate then we can look at it as a group I had a question yes so I'm new to wiki and I'm new to all the intricacies of wiki so the other day I got an invitation to join discord now I'm starting to get unsolicited emails from discord saying hey you've got a message replied messages when I go to discord I can't really find them so what's what's the point of discord and how does it help me advance what I'm doing inside wiki well so this court is just a really handy way for the smaller subgroups on wiki tree like this you know the Scotland project or or the ambassadors they all have their own channels and it's just a very handy way to communicate and everybody is on there with their wiki tree ID number so it's sort of clear to know who's who like I'm co-31 which is the same as my profile ID I don't I don't remember getting a lot of when I joined these discord I don't remember getting a lot of emails about it a when do you know why that would be um it just depends maybe on was it with a specific project John yeah tonight so am I also and you're understanding you're right that the discord lane of traffic that I'm in is that I'm involved in the Scotland project so all the people that are in there are also likewise in the Scotland project as opposed to like the greater yeah yeah so there there are a few projects that have their own discord server and Scotland is one of those so just based on how they set it up you you probably would get a variety of messages from the different groups that they have in there yeah so so John I'm in the Scotland project so I'll see you on the discord yeah it takes it takes a little while to get used to you can also mute certain things so that you don't get an alert like every time somebody says something in the Scotland channel you can just mute so you only get certain types of alerts you know one of the things I'm the project administrator for clan McTavish so I get like 20 or 30 emails a day sometimes so I'm trying to dial down the air traffic I'm getting from some of these sites so I can actually do some work yeah let's see I have a profile that you could possibly have a look at when I when I go into my unconnected profiles on watch list I've got two one of them is it's Arthur trim bath so he's trim bath dash 207 okay hang on a second how do you spell the last name t-r-e-m b-a-t-h okay and it's dash 207 and it's got a little icon next to it saying unconnected branch table now this is this is not a profile I created but I've taken over managing it was obviously created by Richard Bell and I just I'm not quite sure it says it's unconnected I'm not quite sure what I have to do or because it he's got children he doesn't have any ancestors but he's very early so I really can't do anything too much with him I know he needs tidying up but there are some sources there even though they're not correctly formed or anything yet I could go in and do some stuff with them but when it says unconnected branch table what what what sorry where is that I'm looking oh that's that's when I go into unconnected people in my my shortcuts it's it's um you know I go find and it says unconnected people and it says two unconnected profiles on my on my watch list and he's one of them and it's got this funny little icon I could share my screen with you if I'm allowed to so you can see that or not um what do you uh Aowyn is that that's let me see if we can yeah I don't see way to do that the other thing I'm just curious because you're right he has children yeah yeah but are the children so unconnected means that he's not connected to the main part of the tree yet I guess if we feel it to his kids it's like oh maybe maybe there isn't the link down okay okay so so I need to I need to get his descendants linked into my tree that's what that's what it requires yeah okay okay that's fine I can I can certainly do that I probably haven't he's not my ancestry's my husband's but um yeah I can I can certainly I possibly haven't got that far because I'm I started out really really excited adding people and then realized I had to put a lot more effort into each person I was adding and so some of those branches I haven't taken back as far as I have in my own records yet yeah yeah one chance to get he's far enough back that you'll probably go to add someone at some point and they'll already exist on the key tree and then yeah let's just connect right in sure thank you right right so I mean sometimes it's it's just a matter of like plugging in spouses and like magic they're connected so thank you thank you it just confused me because it said he was unconnected and I'm thinking well you know he's got he's gone family right right I guess it really is that it's a branch it's a yeah yeah that it is a multi-generation branch that's just kind of floating out there okay thank you thank you that it that makes sense and I shall do something about that good luck keep us thank you when you get somebody that wants to merge or you're gonna merge two different profiles and some of the information is not correct or what you think is not correct how do you go about merging and who merges into which profile right okay you understand yes yes I do I've only been involved in a few merges in my two years there is there's a process and there's a button somewhere I anyone where the bottom oh yeah so I mean initiate a merge supposing I decided that there was another Arthur Trembath and he was Trembath 180 and I wanted to merge them so you always you would be in touch with the other profile manager they would they would get it once you initiate a merge they would get a message about it and then there be some communication you always the the profile I want to correct me if I'm wrong but it goes to the the earlier profile number right yeah it merged the higher profile merges into the lower number profile right so whatever was created first becomes the one composite and there is an opportunity to to compare side by side and I guess if there were disagreements anyone what happened I mean well and that's a little bit of the tricky part with merges is it's going to be one or the other view that's going to be able to go through and click what you know what dates stay and things like that so I just always go back to check and make sure you know what stayed and that the sources are still there if there's some kind of dispute about the information like you can talk to the profile manager about that or make sure there's good notes in the profile that just talk about you know any discrepancies in the dates or places or names like the research notes that Betsy was doing you know sometimes you'll see people put like disputed section about whatever there's issues about I would say overall merges tend to go pretty smoothly but sometimes there are you know some conflicts and well my concern was on one of my merges that I went into it was a different profile manager that ended up with it but I had done a lot of the research and so I think what I'll do with what Betsy did is to go in and do research notes and then they'll know that and I can change that in an edit. You can also make a request to be a co like a shared profile manager. And who do I do that to with with the person who's already the the the profile manager. OK, I think I did send a message but I never heard back. Yeah, there's a process called the unresponsive profile manager process. So if you're having a hard time getting an act of profile manager to respond, you can go through that and it's it's not hard. It's basically just to the comment, try and contact them. And if you don't hear from them, you can let us know at info at wiki tree dot com and then we try to contact them. At what? Let me find the help page or Betsy. Can you find the help page? Did you want to? Did you want to do a suggested merge? Because I've just found it found that I do have Arthur in my tree and this other profile is is actually a duplicate. So so Trembath 207 is the same as Trembath 20. Oh, oh, nice. Interesting. Hang on. I'm very I'm let's let's look at Trembath 20. Let's look at them side by side. Aowyn, I'm sorry, I don't know where to find the help page. Aowyn, I don't know where to find the help page that you were saying asking me to find. Stuart in the chat now. Stuart, yeah, he's doing a good job adding help pages to the chat. Trembath 20. Yeah, you've got photo and stuff in there to the moment in the URL. Oh, I see. Yes, you're right. That's why it's not working. OK. 1663 to 1731. Yeah, I see the same birthplace. And now do you know Joseph Perry? No, that's not something I know. And Chris, right? You don't know. You also you don't know. That's me. That's for me. See, I took over that profile because it was an orphan. I see. Got it. So you need to be in touch with Joseph Perry. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can click on his name. I'm going to guess he hasn't been active for a while. And he let's see. He was last active in February of 2019. But he did show up to do a merge, so he might propose the merge and he might. Yeah. OK, so maybe I propose a merge to him and and then we can work on it. Because because the one of these profiles was created, his one was created in 2011 and the one I managed was created in 2014. So they're both fairly old. Right, right. Yes. So then it would the the remain once the merge happens, you'll have Arthur as Trembath 20. Yeah. OK, so so can you show us all sort of the steps that we should take to propose this merge? Would that would that help other people? I think that's a good topic. Oh, do you want to do that as a separate webinar? Sure. I just I'm not sure how to do this because I don't want to. You want to propose the merge? I do. Yeah. Yeah, but seeing you don't have to go all the way through the process. OK, we can just go to the point to a certain point. And then I can turn back and then you can stop. OK, so do I on Chris's profile? Yeah, so you'll want to start from the higher one. Yep. And then. And then you should emerge. Ah, OK. And then this is where you. But Trembath 20. Right. Yeah. And then if you scroll down a bit, don't click merge because then you'll. Right. But when you're ready to do that, you just click merge and then let us do the merge. It should it should pop up a screen where you give a reason why you think they're the same person. Sure. So just put that note in. And then they'll be like a next button or something. And that will initiate the merge. It'll send an email to Joseph just saying that the merge is there. Hopefully he pops up in response. If not, after 30 days, you'll be able to go ahead and do the merge. Massive. Yeah. It defaults after 30 days if there's no response. Oh, yeah, I got it ready. Oh, great. Thank you so much. That's really good. I like to compare when I'm looking at. You know, I just you could do that. But if you want to compare, um, it's it really is easy. Because there are some little differences in there. I can see that, you know, the date of death. But given given that time frame, that's not a terribly surprising. Um, and that would and he's not given as a song. Yeah, it's that'd be good. That'll connect that whole branch thing, if that works. Yeah. And this is this is yours on the right. Yes. This is on the left. Months on the left. So yeah, I noticed that we have a spouse over here. Yes. And that spouse is correct. Yep. Petronelle Davey. Yes. Mm hmm. That's that's a spouse. And on the right, it's got parents and everything. So yeah, that's and those are correct. And the biography for Chris has the info of the spouse. Uh huh. Uh huh. I have a feeling Arthur is not going to be unconnected that much longer. Good. Can I just say that there is a discrepancy with the mother because the baptism gives the name is Jane and the one of the profiles gives the name is Cheston. So there is a discrepancy and those sort of things may need to be looked at. Of course, yes. There may be. Although there's only one in the OPC, but I've only just looked for full name. So I haven't done any wildcards or anything like that. Mm hmm. Did I understand that correctly that if you request a merge and you don't get a response within 30 days that you can just go ahead and do it? Yeah, the system will default it. And at that point, anybody can complete the merge, not even just the profile managers after 30 days. Now, sometimes there's something that resets that. I don't remember exactly what that is right now. But most of the time, just after 30 days, it will be followed. I had one about six months ago when I tried to contact the guy a couple of times and didn't get a response. And I just kind of walked away because that was the part of my family I needed to tie into there. So OK, this is. Yeah, you should be able to. To put that through. OK, thank you. So you guys all sound like you're really savvy with wiki tree. So I'm real excited and I'm going to have to play with it more. I have some real basic questions. OK, so first of all, I mean, I know there's a lot of stuff in help for people like me and Stuart, wherever you are, thank you, because I've been putting questions in the chat. And then you guys just like bang out those links. So thank you, helpful. OK, it's very helpful. So, you know, well, little stickers for Stuart. So or whatever, you know, the thing that points or whatever. So OK, the first thing is if I if I put my tree on here, can my family, if they or other people that are trying to find out about this, can they see can other people see my tree? Because that's what I'd like to be able to do. Yeah, yeah. So it's. So let's see. Arthur's not too well connected. Let me go to to Emily. Actually, let me go to her husband's. And then if you go to Family Tree up here. On any profile. You'll see that little branch. OK. Now, supposing I want to see, you know, and then I can switch to the pivotal person is. And the center. And what are good ways to see like a lot? Like, I guess there's fans or apps. Yeah, it's a little beyond just the basics. There's different apps where you can look, you know, but I'm more like, try the dynamic review. See the button right up there? Keep going up a little bit. No. Oh, yeah. Got it. Oh, it makes it does make you just log into a tree. So there's just there's a lot of different ways that you can look. At your tree. Another thing to know is we work really hard to be really well indexed in Google. So like, say somebody's searching and they put in your great, great grandfather's name, your wiki tree profile is likely to be one of the first things that would come up for that. So it's really great for cousin bait in that way. Let's try it. Charles Edward. My heart always stops when I tell us because someone always wants to try it. And then I'm always afraid it won't actually work. It'll be like the one that doesn't. That's going to be a hard one because his name is. Getting some. We're coming in this tree. There he is. Boom. That's right. He's right there. Yeah. Boom. Yeah. All right. And and this the second out of two questions. OK, because I am so green at this, I know enough to be dangerous. I've created my profile. I'm getting messages. I had no idea what to do with that. So thank you for sharing that part. But like, OK, if if the people that I've been researching already have a profile and I have more information to add, where is it on the screen? Do you do you try to contact the profile manager? Can you I know everybody's like so much further than I am. And I apologize. But not at all. It does depend on the privacy level. But mostly I've encountered that I can make changes to a profile. You know, so see this icon over here. That means that that, you know, you could make changes. You could go in to George Tudor and and go ahead and edit. You'll know that it's not possible if it's locked or or if there's no edit button. That's the key clue. We like to say, be bold and be polite. So it's sort of like if you're adding sources or you're adding, you know, to the bio, be bold, like go for it. If you're changed, if you feel like a parent needs to be changed and you're not the profile manager, we would encourage you to just talk to the profile manager, show them why you think it needs to be changed and work with them on that. So, you know, big changes want to be polite. Everything else just be bold. I'm really shocked. Elizabeth Tudor is unlocked. I thought that Elizabeth the first would be like a notable who would be. Well, she's she's project protected, which means she can't just be merged into. Right. That's that's the highest level of protection you really have. Yeah. OK. Yeah. I found it. I found the mistress of. Of my grand grandfather, my great-grandfather, who lived in the same house with my grandmother and so grandpa, great-grandpa divorced great-grandma and married. The mistress and so she had his, you know, she had a maiden name. Then she had a married name. And then after he died, she married again. But she was buried with the man she had a mistress with. And so her her last name on the headstone doesn't match. It took me forever to figure out who she was. And then her sister was buried. So she and her sister were buried with the man that she married after having an affair. Well, Jerry Springer. I'm kind of following you. Yes. That that congrats on on sorting that out. That sounds like a headbanger. So I just I was going to go back to what Betsy said real quick. Some other sites do lock down notable profiles. So like royal profiles and like really famous people, their profiles are locked and can only be edited by a specific group of people. We don't do that. So, you know, anything that's an open profile still can be able to be edited by any wiki genealogist. The only exception to that is when it's project protected and that really only prevents the last name of birth from being changed. And it prevents mergers going their own way. So we had a question from John. Yes, regarding profile pic or any kind of photographs and images. I upload my first image just now as we were doing this. And I had my father's image, but I put them under my profile by mistake. Is there any way I can move him to where he belongs? Yes. So with the best way be to go under, can you give us the your profile, which would you mind? Sure. Is there a number or something? I guess so you put it on your profile, right? Yes. What is your profile? How do I find that out? OK, a minute. Up towards the top in the URL bar, it'll say like rampone dash something. OK, rampone dash nine. Right. OK, sorry. OK, rampone dash nine. OK, that's me. There we go. There we go. Now there's my father's picture there. OK. So just going to click on that. Yeah, you know, go to because it's private private. Oh, but so if you go ahead, I was just going to say, if you do that, if you go to the image like she did, you'll see what we showed you before on the image page where you can add and remove from profiles. You know, I'm going to go back to. Yeah, go back to that one and we can show them on there. 97 there. OK, so this is the one we added earlier tonight. Yeah. OK. And what I would do is I would add your father to the profile and then then remove him from yourself in that box, the empty box blower her mouse is right now. You would put his profile ID, which is probably Ron Pony, 10 or 11, you know, I guess you put that there and add him and then you would remove yourself from it. But I actually have my picture in the right place. It's it's his that needs to be moving to his. But it's on your profile, right? Yes, OK. Oh, I guess. OK. Yes, you're going to add it also to his profile, and then it will show both of your profiles under that section. OK, so that person. So I need his number then. Yeah. Where do I find his number easily? Did he read the beginning of this? I'm just going to quite find his profile. Let's see. OK, he is around each hand. OK, yeah, one each hand. So I have to go back to mine. OK. And then if you scroll down a bit, you'll have to save it. So you have to go back to me. Save changes. Yeah, I can't seem to get back to me. Are you in the section that says edit image details? No, I'm just trying to get back to me. Should be easier this. Oh, there we are. OK, I'm back to me. OK, now. OK, down here. OK, I've got mine on here now. Got to get back to that box where you are. Comments. No, I can't find that spot again. Basically, you want to click on the image. Yeah, you can just get to this sort of page. Oh, here we go. OK, yeah, right here. I'm going to see him. No, scroll down and save that. Save changes. OK. OK, then go back up to the section you're at. And it should show both the profiles there. So which section? Oh, under would be up here. And it would say in this image and it would be you and your dad. OK, yeah, I see. OK, the picture was just too big here. OK. Yeah. OK, yes. OK. So then go back to the section where you can add or remove people and then just click the button under yours for a move from image. OK, which one I should be on then? I should be on. Remove it from you. OK, where's we move? Where's we move that? And it should you see my cursor? Yeah, people and things in the image. See that? OK, here we go. OK, gotcha. OK, remove. Oh, we go and click under yours. Under me. Oh, not his. You want to click under yours? How do I click? OK, I've actually clicked the wrong person. How do I? How do I unclick? Just refresh the screen. OK. And quick question. How do I refresh the screen? Oh, up here in the see where my cursor is next. OK, I'm on a Mac here. I am too. Yeah. OK, OK. So. Oh, I don't see that. Do you see? Oh, here we go. OK. Are you sure you want to send the form again? Yeah, because it'll clear it. OK, OK, there we go. OK, gotcha. OK, I'm removing it from me. Right. OK, so once you click that, just scroll down and say it again. OK. Then you should be set. And now it should only be on your dad's profile. I made it the wrong way. I think I did the wrong way, actually. Well, I don't know where I am here. OK, it's OK. Oh, yeah, it's there. It's on your dad's profile. I'm on your dad's profile. And there is. OK. So now. I have to go and make it this profile or something. Yes. OK, the primary photo. Yeah. Yeah, where was that the primary photo? I remember seeing it. If you go back here, it's on the right. Scroll down. And it's sort of on the other side from where you just were working, set as primary photo. I need to go and edit. I think I'm close. Right. OK, there we go. I'm in the wrong place here. Set as primary photo. Edit image details. I'm under edit data. Sorry, I'm in the wrong way. Under images. Hey, there we go. Hey, and in these details. Yeah, I think I'm. Yeah, right across from there. Right, edit. There we go. Fine. I got it. OK. Hey. Got it. Thank you. Cool. Shall we check? Yeah. See, there's you and your dad. Hey. Thank you very much. You're welcome. We should probably wrap it up for tonight. Exactly. Would you ever be doing anything on DNA? Uh, sure. You know, you know, the DNA connections and the percentages and that. Yeah, we can plan to do that. That'd be great. Let's make sure I want to make sure, Aowyn, before we shut out the session, that I want to save the chat because I didn't really get to read the chat and I see questions and, you know. Yes, it stores it. I can send it to you. That'd be awesome. Thank you. So thank you so much, everyone. Thank you. Hope you'll be back next. We'll be back the first Thursday in November. Or if you're really keen, we're going to do another one this Sunday at, let's see, noon Eastern time. Eastern standard time. Yep. And can I ask, how will we be able to access the chat because I didn't have a chance to look at everything? Is there a way to do that? Let me try and figure that out. I probably can do, it saves it for us. I think I can download it and then maybe I can fill a link in the GDG post. Yeah, that's a good idea. OK. I'll try and do that. I think you can send it to your computer. Yeah, I think that was it. Do you guys have the chat button down at the bottom of your Zoom screen? Yeah. If you click that little arrow next to it. Oh, share. Wow. Do you have one that says save chat? I see. Three dots. Let me see. Where's the chat? Oh, save chat. OK, gotcha. So you should have the same show and solder. Yeah, who knows where that went? OK. Oh, it created a folder called Zoom under my documents. OK. OK, gotcha. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, this was a lot of fun, everyone. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. Bye. All right, bye. Have a good evening. Bye.